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Troy 
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Posted on: Jun. 22 2009,09:46 |
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So.... viral marketing for apple?
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 22 2009,09:54 |
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Checking out the comment thread ... this was semi-interesting :
QUOTE Yeah, I'm a bit worried someone is going to get shot using this feature, and then there will be lawsuits against Apple, and it will be turned off.
It's main purpose I think is to help you find lost phones, but not track down and retrieve them by force.
I fear this feature is going to get removed real fast because someone is going to get injured, then sue Apple.
Yeah. Let's get that useful app out of the store because it MIGHT be improperly used.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Jun. 22 2009,10:05 |
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Well, this is the iPhone we are talking about here. The chances of any randomly selected iPhone user bing a total pussy is close to 95%.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 22 2009,10:30 |
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(Malcolm @ Jun. 22 2009,13:07)
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(TPRJones @ Jun. 22 2009,12:05)
QUOTE Well, this is the iPhone we are talking about here. Ā The chances of any randomly selected iPhone user bing a total pussy is close to 95%. Never underestimate the group courage of the average Western cinema fan. If Apple wanted to do some marketing, I think even they're bright enough not to spotlight vigilantism. Ā Apple's full of pussies, too.
One app to find the iPhone, another app that tells the nearest shotgun store.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 22 2009,11:04 |
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Like your typical Apple polisher knows what to do w\ a firearm.
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 22 2009,11:08 |
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Nudity & animal cruelty usually don't get people killed. There's "controversial" & then there's "dead."
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Leisher
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Posted on: Jun. 22 2009,11:11 |
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How many regular commercials contained things that if emulated could get you hurt or killed, yet had no warnings? LOTS.
One could argue that the app itself would put you in harm's way more often than not.
So who cares about a commercial detailing how it's used?
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 22 2009,13:40 |
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(Leisher @ Jun. 22 2009,13:11)
QUOTE How many regular commercials contained things that if emulated could get you hurt or killed, yet had no warnings? LOTS.
How many of those commercials were masquerading as otherwise legit, independent media & intentionally misled the intended market?
If this is unorthodox marketing & it's traced back to Apple, I'll retract my statement. Otherwise, they could've easily just left the phone at a corner table in a coffee shop & forgot about it or some shyte. There's millions of scenarios to show off your find-my-iPhone app that might not involve bodily harm to those that emulate it. Fuckers as lawyer-happy as Jobs & Co. know this & I don't think they allow it to occur.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Leisher
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2009,05:27 |
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QUOTE If this is unorthodox marketing & it's traced back to Apple, I'll retract my statement. Otherwise, they could've easily just left the phone at a corner table in a coffee shop & forgot about it or some shyte. There's millions of scenarios to show off your find-my-iPhone app that might not involve bodily harm to those that emulate it. Fuckers as lawyer-happy as Jobs & Co. know this & I don't think they allow it to occur.
Absolutely true, but you're missing the point. This isn't a campaign being run during the Super Bowl. This would be an example of viral marketing. (And we're still not 100% sure that is actual is an ad.)
The rules are different here. Those others ads I talked about were internet only as well.
Nobody would read a viral marketing campaign where a guy forgot his phone at a truck stop and during his quest to find it there was no conflict. Nobody would give a shit.
However, add in a bar, seedy people, minorities, a high tech chase through a city, etc. and it gets people's attention.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2009,06:42 |
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I have a question: if it's impossible to tell the difference between a created viral ad and an actual story on an actual blog, does it really make a difference which one it is?
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2009,10:05 |
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I understand the difference between good and bad, but that's not what I'm asking.
I'm saying that when comparing a good story about one man's adventure with the iPhone versus a manufactured good story about one man's adventure with the iPhone that is done so well as to be identical to what the real thing would be, either way the end result is the same. Some people will believe and enjoy the good story, some people will not believe it. Some people will let it color their purchasing decisions, other's won't.
When dealing with something that can't be verified after the fact, there is no measurable difference of any sort between reality and falsehood so well told as to perfectly mimic reality. So as long as it's not something ongoing, or something that is somehow important, what does it matter if it was true or not?
(Which invalidates your example, btw, in the sense that you gave an example of something important. Whether or not three geeks really chased down a stolen iPhone is not what I would term in any way important, and thus not comparable to the reality - or falsehood - of Anthropocentric Global Warming)
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Leisher
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2009,11:24 |
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QUOTE I'm saying that when comparing a good story about one man's adventure with the iPhone versus a manufactured good story about one man's adventure with the iPhone that is done so well as to be identical to what the real thing would be, either way the end result is the same. Some people will believe and enjoy the good story, some people will not believe it. Some people will let it color their purchasing decisions, other's won't.
When dealing with something that can't be verified after the fact, there is no measurable difference of any sort between reality and falsehood so well told as to perfectly mimic reality. So as long as it's not something ongoing, or something that is somehow important, what does it matter if it was true or not?
Malcolm was pointing out the legalities of writing a story that could inspire others to put themselves in harm's way. I simply pointed out that a new trend in online advertising is being able to deny approving a campaign.
Personally, I don't think the story is any more dangerous that other commercials (again, we haven't proven that this story is a commercial), Malcolm seems to disagree.
Thus, if the story is false and it is a viral marketing campaign, Malcolm wants to know if Apple would be liable if someone was inspired by it and got hurt in the process of emulating it.
If the story is true, it's a non-issue. UNLESS, Apple used the story for this viral marketing campaign, and again, Malcolm's question would probably still be about their liability.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2009,11:33 |
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Oh, I got all that. I was going sort of off-topic and getting philosophical about the nature and relative value of "truth". 
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