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Malcolm 
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Posted on: Jun. 14 2009,09:28 |
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Come the fuck on, don't you fuckers have something better to do?
QUOTE The debate stems from a 1989 law that requires workers who use company cellphones for personal calls to count the value of those calls as income and pay federal income taxes for the minutes used. Employees are supposed to keep detailed records of their calls. Now that sending e-mails on mobile devices is more prevalent, data charges could also be subject to scrutiny.
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Under several proposals put forth this week, the IRS would more strictly enforce an existing law that classifies company-issued cellphones as a taxable benefit -- an idea decried by employers and wireless companies who argue that mobile phones are now essential tools in the workplace that shouldn't be considered income.
Yep. Nothing spurs the economy like MORE TAXES. Cos otherwise owners might use that cash to, hell, I dunno, put it back into their biz, making it grow bigger. Got to stop that obviously. If the companies get too big, they approach the magic gov't bailout amount.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 14 2009,13:08 |
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Trust me... this government is going to go after every last dollar in your pocket that they can. This does not shock me.
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Jun. 14 2009,15:09 |
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With the constant increase in entitlement programs (old ones like Social Security, and new ones like the Medicare drug benefit passed under the Bush administration), I was reading last night that in a couple of years it will take a 50% tax increase (across the board) to balance the budget.
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Mommy Dearest
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Posted on: Jun. 14 2009,20:43 |
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(Malcolm @ Jun. 14 2009,12:28)
QUOTE Come the fuck on, don't you fuckers have something better to do? QUOTE The debate stems from a 1989 law that requires workers who use company cellphones for personal calls to count the value of those calls as income and pay federal income taxes for the minutes used. Employees are supposed to keep detailed records of their calls. Now that sending e-mails on mobile devices is more prevalent, data charges could also be subject to scrutiny.
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Under several proposals put forth this week, the IRS would more strictly enforce an existing law that classifies company-issued cellphones as a taxable benefit -- an idea decried by employers and wireless companies who argue that mobile phones are now essential tools in the workplace that shouldn't be considered income. Yep. Â Nothing spurs the economy like MORE TAXES. Â Cos otherwise owners might use that cash to, hell, I dunno, put it back into their biz, making it grow bigger. Â Got to stop that obviously. Â If the companies get too big, they approach the magic gov't bailout amount.
Tax Reform act of 1987. Would not call that new. That was Ronald Reagan's tax simplification that was supposed to put me out of work. I know some one does not like it when Isay so but lol. lol.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 14 2009,20:47 |
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Why do corporations get taxed, when it is consumers that pay those taxes, and there is already sales tax everywhere?
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 14 2009,21:45 |
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(GORDON @ Jun. 14 2009,22:47)
QUOTE Why do corporations get taxed, when it is consumers that pay those taxes, and there is already sales tax everywhere?
Because corporations are faceless, evil entities that secretly maintain a super-mega-global monopoly designed to fuck consumers.
& since certain corporations are immortal now, there's no risk of them going under. The gov't will pay their taxes for them.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 15 2009,20:31 |
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Why do military people pay federal tax when their pay is already federal taxes?
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Jun. 16 2009,06:48 |
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The basic premise is that anything your company provides you that has a personal benefit is taxable as income. I'm sure Mommy D can expound further.
If you read the excerpt above, it specifically mentions the taxable portion being personal use on a company-provided asset.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Jun. 16 2009,07:27 |
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My question would be: who's responsible for records? If no records are maintained, does the IRS tax you for 100% of the phone?
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 16 2009,08:16 |
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Why is it that all of the money I make is taxed, then if I die and leave it to my son it is taxed, then if he spends it it is taxed?
Anyone think this country has a tax problem?
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Jun. 16 2009,08:17 |
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Yes, but can someone just say "0%" and be believed? If they have no proof of 0% personal use, then what is the default position of the IRS?
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Leisher
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Posted on: Jun. 16 2009,08:41 |
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What about shared cell phones? You know the ones that get passed around from person to person depending on who is on call? How the hell do you track who made personal call son that thing and when?
How does the government prove a call was for personal reasons? Example:
IRS: Mr. Smith, your records show you calling your home during the work day from your cell phone on June 4th of last year. We need to tax you for that.
Mr. Smith: I was calling the house to ask my wife if I had left a flash drive sitting in my home office. That was completely work related. We spoke about nothing else. So you can't tax me for that.
They can't prove a single call is personal unless they have transcripts of the calls too.
And my argument about taxing us for company provided pens, paper, internet access, laptops, PCs, etc. is valid if this ignorant shit gets pushed.
QUOTE Why is it that all of the money I make is taxed, then if I die and leave it to my son it is taxed, then if he spends it it is taxed?
I've always wondered how that shit is even legal. Whatever happened to money not being taxed twice?
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 16 2009,08:54 |
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You buy a car, there is sales tax. You are taxed when you register for tags to make owning it legal, even if it never leaves your garage, ever. You buy fuel for it, you get taxed. You get taxed for the roads on which to drive it whether you own a car or not.
I wonder if people would be shocked at how much of their money actually goes to taxes, and how little goes into the actual economy.
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Jun. 16 2009,08:56 |
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(Leisher @ Jun. 16 2009,11:41)
QUOTE And my argument about taxing us for company provided pens, paper, internet access, laptops, PCs, etc. is valid if this ignorant shit gets pushed.
QUOTE The debate stems from a 1989 law that requires workers who use company cellphones for personal calls to count the value of those calls as income and pay federal income taxes for the minutes used. Employees are supposed to keep detailed records of their calls. Now that sending e-mails on mobile devices is more prevalent, data charges could also be subject to scrutiny.
The law was passed at a time when cellphones were considered a luxury, such as a corporate car or jet, and only used by the wealthiest professionals. Brick-sized phones typically cost $2,000 and $3 per minute. But BlackBerrys, iPhones, PDAs, cellphones and laptops are now common fixtures for workers, and few companies have enforced the tedious record-keeping rule.
Is the legal counter-argument.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Jun. 16 2009,12:06 |
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Each day I hope we are finally getting closer to the Second American Revolution.
No taxation without rectification!
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