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Posted on: Jun. 20 2014,15:21 |
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Squirm with sexual excitement?
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 20 2014,17:31 |
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She's going to burst a blood vessel when she sees the Robert Mapplethorpe Playmobil set.
Edited by Malcolm on Jun. 21 2014,09:33
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Posted on: Jun. 21 2014,06:57 |
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It probably comes with an Evil Republican Senator who is trying to cut Mapplethorpe's NFA grant.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2014,07:29 |
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We live in a country where half the population finds the guy who yelled "Stop!" when getting his head beat against a concrete sidewalk is at fault when he killed the guy attacking him.
The law sided with the victim this time, but who knows what happens next time. We are going to keep steeping in the crazy, and pretty soon we will hit the saturation point.
Shit is fucked.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2014,08:48 |
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Hard to say. The White House doesn't think it can get away with actually setting the army on the populace, so has been arming the IRS and Bureau of Land Management and has expanded to DHS to the point where anyone living within 100 miles of the US border has no rights. The NSA is keeping tabs on everyone while the government is trillions in debt... I heard someone say the other day that we are in so much debt that the combined value of (known) gold on the planet couldn't cover it. Debt that grows bigger every day but we can't stop it because of racism.
SO nah, shit has always been this way, nothing is different, everything is fine.
Also, America will be the first empire that lasts forever. It will never come to an end.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2014,09:04 |
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Yeah that would suck so at least we don't need to worry about that.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2014,09:20 |
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Awesome. But if that one little line is what you are going to pick out of the entire paragraph to nitpick, does that mean the rest are valid concerns? Or aren't? Business as usual or no? That was your assertion. Things have always been this way. I disagree. Back up your statement.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2014,09:25 |
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Things have been this way since post-WWII. As far as your lifetime is concerned, this is status quo.
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2014,09:59 |
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Things have always been this way, period. Oh, the details have changed tremendously and the stage is far more futuristic than in the days of Peisistratos and William the Conqueror, but people who have power have very often been inclined to abuse it to their own ends and control the lives of the people. And those in power have always sought to monitor how people think and talk, and just because the technology has changed since the Mishnah and the Edict of Compiegne that doesn't really make it different or new.
When it comes to the hearts of men, there is nothing new under the sun. The tools change, but the use to which they are put is a never-ending cycle.
But I'm an optimist. Even though those who would do this evil have better tools than ever before, the common man also has access to most of those same tools. While those in power have had their potentials for evil multiplied, the people are exponentially harder to control then ever before. The eternal conflict is tipping in favor of unstoppable freedom. You only see more bad because what you are able to see has been vastly expanded from before, not because there is more bad to be seen then before. IMO.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2014,11:59 |
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Then you must admit that if nothing has changed, then all empires crumble, as well. Is there no parallel between the way the American government treats its citizens today, and the way Rome went off the deep end?
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TPRJones
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No difference at all. And not just rome, but countless other empires small and large both before and after. Yet you wrote as if this is a new phenomenon. That is where I was disagreeing.
America in it's present state may indeed collapse and fade away. I'm not worried; we'll come up with something even better. As novel and full of beautiful ideal as our Constitution was for the time, it's 200 years out of date now and riddled with awful loopholes. We need a fresh one anyway.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2014,12:25 |
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(GORDON @ Jun. 23 2014,13:59)
QUOTE Then you must admit that if nothing has changed, then all empires crumble, as well. Â Is there no parallel between the way the American government treats its citizens today, and the way Rome went off the deep end?
The theories behind the "fall of Rome" are many and varied, as well as the date which half "fell." Â I haven't seen any barbarians trying to cross over rivers just yet.
The parallel might be the political scene is becoming increasingly oligarchical and you've got a lot of douchebags in power whose job is to remain in power, as opposed to being public servants.
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
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"Better dead than smeg."
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 23 2014,12:26 |
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(Malcolm @ Jun. 23 2014,15:25)
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(GORDON @ Jun. 23 2014,13:59)
QUOTE Then you must admit that if nothing has changed, then all empires crumble, as well. Â Is there no parallel between the way the American government treats its citizens today, and the way Rome went off the deep end? The theories behind the "fall of Rome" are many and varied, as well as the date which half "fell." Â I haven't seen any barbarians trying to cross over rivers just yet.
HA.
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