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Posted on: May 09 2014,12:16 |
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I read the entire article, enjoying the wit and the points the author was making, then I saw at the end it was James Lileks, who I already liked reading. So cool.
May offend the lifetime single people.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article....-lileks
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Malcolm
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Posted on: May 09 2014,13:29 |
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QUOTE "So, what you are saying is that ninety to ninety-five percent of the population is undateable?"
"Undateable!"
"Then how are all these people getting together?"
"Alcohol."
QUOTE Most of you will *never* fall in love, but will marry out of fear of dying alone!
Most marriages I've seen are done out of fear or idiocy.
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 12 2014,10:18 |
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(TPRJones @ May 12 2014,11:58)
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(GORDON @ May 09 2014,14:16)
QUOTE May offend the lifetime single people. I can't begin to see how. Â "May offend absentee fathers" I could understand. Â But this comment honestly mystifies me.
Are you saying you have not ever been exposed to people who are nearly militant about never having children, and are casually insulting by referring to them as "crotchfruit?"
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TPRJones
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Posted on: May 12 2014,10:22 |
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... why would someone militant about never having children be offended by calling children "crotchfruit"? I would think they'd be the ones most likely to do so.
Me I am certainly never having children. Militant is a strong word, though. I realize that children are necessary if the species is to continue. I'm just grateful I don't have to be involved.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: May 12 2014,11:12 |
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Oh! I read "insulting" as "insulted"
And then reread it wrong several times over in confusion.
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 12 2014,11:17 |
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So when I said, "this may offend the perma-single people" I meant because so many of them are militant about how much better their lives without children are, to the point of being insulting about it.
I have facebook-unfreinded 2 acquaintances in the last few months because they are in their 30's, not married, no kids, and talking about how great their lives are because they don't have children. I WANT to reassure them that they are never going to grow old and that they will be young and fabulous and carefree forever, but I don't care, it's their lives. I just wish they weren't so casually insulting about it. I happen to like my crotchfruit, and I take offense at your labeling him as such. Figurative-you.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: May 12 2014,11:22 |
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I do consider that my life is worlds better because I am single and free of the responsibility of children. Why is that insulting?
I'm also happy I don't own a house and thus have to worry about things like maintenance, property taxes, and lawn care. Does that also insult you?
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 12 2014,11:23 |
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I told you exactly how they are insulting.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: May 12 2014,11:32 |
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Other than the word "crotchfruit" the only thing you've said they did was say their lives are better because they don't have children. Which is what I just also did, but that didn't seem to insult you.
So now I can only deduce that it is the single word "crotchfruit" that you found insulting. It's a pretty stupid word, but insultingly so?
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Posted on: May 12 2014,11:38 |
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Well, that was it in a nutshell. I also used the word "militant," by which I meant they revel in their eternal youth unbound by any kind of real responsibility while simultaneously insulting those who chose a different life.
I don't care if these people have a new boyfriend every month and it is so great to be able to devote all of your time to your horses and cats, but you don't have to add, "I don't know why anyone would ever chose to have kids, your life is just so stupid." It's insulting. These people ALWAYS use the word "crotchfruit."
Again, paraphrasing. But it isn't anything you don't see 10 times a day if you read forums with a big enough user base.
Have honestly considered taking an internet break. Need to evaluate if I get more enjoyment or irritation because of its existence.
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Malcolm
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QUOTE I also used the word "militant," by which I meant they revel in their eternal youth unbound by any kind of real responsibility while simultaneously insulting those who chose a different life.
I'll take issue with the "real responsibility" part. Kids are not the only "real" responsibility.
QUOTE Have honestly considered taking an internet break. Need to evaluate if I get more enjoyment or irritation because of its existence.
Maybe you should avoid the social bullshit sites that seem drive you up a wall.
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(Malcolm @ May 12 2014,14:46)
QUOTE QUOTE I also used the word "militant," by which I meant they revel in their eternal youth unbound by any kind of real responsibility while simultaneously insulting those who chose a different life. I'll take issue with the "real responsibility" part. Â Kids are not the only "real" responsibility.
It's the only thing you can do that has even the slightest chance of lasting into the future. Being remembered fondly by your nieces and nephews is fine and honorable as well. Not saying it isn't.
Don't really want to have this discussion again.
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Posted on: May 12 2014,11:56 |
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QUOTE Have honestly considered taking an internet break. Need to evaluate if I get more enjoyment or irritation because of its existence.
I have a FB friend who said his goodbyes to everyone stating that FB was having a negative impact on his life (didn't specify how, but he's on a LOT), and he'd be taking a month long break. Long story short, he still hasn't stopped posting stuff, so...
Malcolm has the right idea for you though. If you quit the internet because of stupid shit other people do or say, then the terrorists have won. Seriously, just ignore/unfriend those folks and move on with your life. Besides, from everything you've said previously the majority of folks who piss you off are family, thus you'll need to quit the internet and Thanksgiving, X-Mas, 4th of July, etc.
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(Malcolm @ May 12 2014,14:46)
QUOTE QUOTE Have honestly considered taking an internet break. Â Need to evaluate if I get more enjoyment or irritation because of its existence. Maybe you should avoid the social bullshit sites that seem drive you up a wall.
I don't think it is possible, for the most part. We drove all the idiots out of this forum a long time ago. I have silenced everyone in my facebook feed who loves unions and obama and socialism. But I can't go to a family function without hearing about how great obamacare is. I can't read a game of thrones thread on a forum with 10k users because someone compares the failed barathean policies with george bush and those stupid teabaggers and how they hell can someone be so evil to vote for a racist republican anyway?
At least in LOL the worst I get is to be called a sucky faggot. At least they are honest.
Everybody thinks they are smarter than everyone else, no one can possibly disagree with them without being their worst enemy, and they are cruel when they think they are being kind. The world sucks. Can't be avoided, but at least it can be minimized.
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Leisher
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I embrace the crazy.
I have some uncles on FB that are CRAZY right wingers. They say shit that I'm amazed hasn't landed them in jail yet.
I have a cousin and a friend who both post all the conspiracy shit they find and spout off like it's gospel.
I also have a friend who is ultra left wing and very active on FB.
All evoke similar emotional responses from me with their biased, not fact checked, hate filled FB posts. However, I just take in what I see, and then I move on. Usually, I discuss the crazy with my wife, who tends to do the same thing as you and unfollow or ignore folks.
And yes, rational debate is a lost art. I enjoy folks on either side who not only can discuss a topic, but encourage the discussion. I tend to think that anyone who thinks they're right about anything is usually wrong about most things.
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(GORDON @ May 12 2014,13:38)
QUOTE "I don't know why anyone would ever chose to have kids, your life is just so stupid." It's insulting.
Ah, okay. Now I understand.
No, of course it's not stupid. It's certainly not for me, but it takes all kinds. And considering that you are continuing the species while I'm not, I can't really judge you for it. Even if the time suck of it would drive me mad.
QUOTE It's the only thing you can do that has even the slightest chance of lasting into the future.
Okay, now you've lost me. I can think of lots and lots of historical figures that did important things that have made a lasting impression on the human race. In most cases it has nothing to do with if they had children or not. Your focus on children as being the only important thing once could ever possibly do sounds a bit weird to me.
QUOTE Have honestly considered taking an internet break. Need to evaluate if I get more enjoyment or irritation because of its existence.
Other than webcomics and videos and suchlike, this is the only place I come online for discussion. You don't have to leave the entire internet, just stop going to the places overwhelmed by bullshit. Unless you consider DTM to be one such, I guess.
QUOTE But I can't go to a family function without hearing about how great obamacare is.
Now you're just making my arguments for me. Having no family to deal with is so nice. Now that my mother is dead life is grand.
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(TPRJones @ May 12 2014,15:36)
QUOTE QUOTE It's the only thing you can do that has even the slightest chance of lasting into the future. Okay, now you've lost me. Â I can think of lots and lots of historical figures that did important things that have made a lasting impression on the human race. Â In most cases it has nothing to do with if they had children or not. Â Your focus on children as being the only important thing once could ever possibly do sounds a bit weird to me.
I didn't think I would need to qualify with, "Unless you are one of the .00000001% of humanity to actually be rich or have some historical significance." Most people aren't and don't and never will be either.
For the great, vast majority of people, to the point where anything else is statistically zero, children are the only way to ever see the future. Â No one cares about your code 3 years after you leave the company. Â No one will remember how you saw all those movies. Â
There's nothing wrong with living an ordinary life and having kids. Â A lot of people seem to resent it.
No, not implying anyone in particular, I am being asked to clarify my point so I am.
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