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Malcolm 
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2014,12:05 |
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To 14th Amendment.
QUOTE All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
I fail to see how this is any different from a white supremacist religion refusing service to blacks. If this shit holds, I'm starting a new faith whose first commandment is, "Thou shalt not render payment of taxes to any governmental entity."
Edited by Malcolm on Feb. 24 2014,12:07
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Diogenes of Sinope:
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Vince
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This all stems from stupid gays wanting to make people bake them a cake that don't want to bake them a cake. How vindictive and retarded do you have to be to FORCE someone to prepare you food that doesn't want to prepare you food? Might as well beg them to piss in the batter.
Remember the scene from Heathers at the funeral for the two football jocks? Where they had staged the shooting to look like a homosexual love affair gone Romeo and Juliet? Remember the one father crying, "I love my dead gay son!"?
I think too many homosexuals have been forever screwed up because all they ever wanted in life was to hear that from their moms and/or dads. And since they never did they are forever trapped in some sort of emotional trap where they can only feel acceptance within themselves when they feel it from others. Even if it comes at the barrel of a gun.
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TPRJones
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Can't say I disagree. If the bakery had initially taken the job then backed out at the last minute due to not wanting to give up their bigoted beliefs, then I think they would deserve punishment. But as much of a supporter for equal rights as I am, I also support "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." If someone doesn't want to serve gays or jews or blacks, they should have that right. And then when they are protested and publicly shamed and go out of business, that's fine, too. But the government shouldn't be stepping in to hand out punishment unless there was actual harm done.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Feb. 25 2014,15:01 |
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Which Bible verse prohibits selling things to gays? That one must have slipped me by among all the other stories where Jesus is hanging out with beggars, prostitutes, tax collectors, and criminals. What religious basis do they have for this act if the son of their lord and saviour spent most of his ministry interacting with sinners?
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Diogenes of Sinope:
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Feb. 25 2014,16:53 |
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QUOTE He didn't bake them a cake.
The loaves and fishes thing must have been my imagination.
QUOTE You CAN be fired for things you say. What you CAN'T be fired for is your religious beliefs.
So you can't be fired for espousing certain beliefs? I find it absurd that the faithful can get exceptions against serving gays but since "religion" made it into the first amendment instead of "who you like to fuck", the gays would have a harder time not serving the religious. It's even more fucked up when you consider religion is something you get to choose, in theory, and your sexual orientation isn't really an active decision.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Vince
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(Malcolm @ Feb. 25 2014,18:53)
QUOTE QUOTE He didn't bake them a cake. The loaves and fishes thing must have been my imagination.
Are the gays offering to allow the cake baker to come the the wedding and preach? For that matter, are they showing up at the bakery to hear the baker speak the gospel? Is the baker Jesus H Christ? This comparison is making no sense.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Feb. 25 2014,16:59 |
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(Vince @ Feb. 25 2014,18:57)
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(Malcolm @ Feb. 25 2014,18:53)
QUOTE QUOTE He didn't bake them a cake. The loaves and fishes thing must have been my imagination. Are the gays offering to allow the cake baker to come the the wedding and preach? For that matter, are they showing up at the bakery to hear the baker speak the gospel? Is the baker Jesus H Christ? This comparison is making no sense.
At least Jesus was able to interact with them.
From the book itself, Matthew 5:47:
QUOTE 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Vince
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(Malcolm @ Feb. 25 2014,18:59)
QUOTE At least Jesus was able to interact with them. From the book itself, Matthew 5:47: QUOTE 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?
Sounds to me like the baker interacted fine. He (or she... I think it was a female) said, "I don't recognize gay marriage, I wish you the best but I can't make you a wedding cake."
I don't think Jesus spent time with the hookers and told them that banging married men was just as cool in his and his Dad's eyes as being married. And I don't think the hookers told Jesus that they were going to take him and his daddy to court if they didn't let them into heaven even if they don't repent their sins and continue to take coin for poon.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Feb. 25 2014,17:11 |
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I suspect the lesbians in question were looking for a fight. There's assholes on both sides.
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(Malcolm @ Feb. 25 2014,19:52)
QUOTE QUOTE I don't think the bible has anything to do with it. If they want to use religion as a shield for their own prejudice and cowardice, then they'd better have a sound theological basis. If I can't half-ass a religion to get tax exempt status, I shouldn't be able to do it to control the clientele in my biz.
Well then hiel hitler. If you say so.
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TheCatt
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Public business are not allowed to discriminate on various matters already, this is law. The bakery in question was apparently in Oregon, not Arizona, and was not following Oregon's laws.
QUOTE Businesses are primarily places of public accommodation. That means they are in business to accommodate the needs of the public. They actively invite and seek the patronage of the public and therefore are subject to the same anti-discrimination laws that protect workers seeking employment or promotion. Specifically, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination and guarantees all persons the right to “full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the grounds of race, color, religion or national origin.”
As I understand that, it does not include homosexuality at the federal level, but it can at a state level.
I also do not see how refusing to bake a cake is compatible with Christianity, but hey, I'm not Jesus.
QUOTE For the most part, courts have decided that the constitutional interest in providing equal access to public accommodations outweighs the individual liberties involved.
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Vince
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Can I force a Jewish baker to bake a cake for my dog's bat mitzvah?
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