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Malcolm 
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Posted on: Nov. 08 2012,11:08 |
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Why I can't bring myself to vote Republican.
QUOTE Today while appearing on Starting Point with Soledad O’Brien, she once again tried to shift the political focus from social issues to economics. The Dallas Republican said the party should emphasize its efforts to limit spending and repair the economy ... she [former Republican member of Congress for Texas Kay Bailey Hutchinson] admitted that “Republican candidates who got very high profile and said some very stupid things” – such as Todd Akin, and Richard Mourdock – “tainted the party.”
If they'd stick to the economics, I might be persuaded to vote for them. But they insist on bringing in morality, ethics, and social issues into game. I'm not saying the members can't hold their own personal beliefs, but shut the everloving fuck up about them when running for and executing office.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
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Leisher
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Posted on: Nov. 08 2012,11:39 |
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The problem is that they don't have Hollywood and the MSM talking about social issues for them. That's why the Dems can stay above it.
The only time they couldn't was when Biden opened his mouth about Gay Marriage. It forced Obama to do something he didn't want to do...give it his blessing.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Nov. 08 2012,11:51 |
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If the media and entertainment industry is going to be the constant right-wing fallback excuse for "that's why we can't win," it only furthers my belief that the Republican party is full of decaying dinosaurs that need to be put out of their misery. Find a way around them, through them, or smarten up and realize you've got to be more clever than your opponents when dealing with them. Using it as a crutch for poor electoral showings make them look even more hopeless.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Leisher
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Posted on: Nov. 08 2012,12:23 |
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That's not the crutch, but it is tough. Saying "just get past it or you suck" is about as ridiculous as it gets, no offense.
Look around the country you live in:
-Who has more followers on Twitter, Mitt Romney or Ashton Kutcher?
-A show featuring a porn star and her family is a mega hit and has been on for years. Little girls look up to her.
-The TV and film industries are run by folks who have a habit of blacklisting folks who speak up against the left.
-The MSM is made up of dozens of organizations. About a dozen are taken seriously. One skews right. That's the one labeled as "biased".
-Anyone who speaks up on behalf of the right is immediately labeled evil, racist, crazy, etc.
-If Jesus Christ had returned on Monday and said, "Vote Romney!", he would have found himself back up on a cross.
Saying the Republicans should just get over it is unfair, and narrow minded. It's a massive obstacle that isn't going away anytime soon. Why don't you drive over to the children's hospital and tell all the kids there to stop being so lazy and get off their asses? 
Do they need to do something? YES. Can they continue to operate the same way? NO.
I think the correct course of action is to come to terms with the fact that they need to lighten up on social issues.
The question becomes, do Republican voters still vote is their party starts coming back towards the middle? We know Dems will even though they disagree with their party, look at the last three elections...
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Nov. 08 2012,12:41 |
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QUOTE Why don't you drive over to the children's hospital and tell all the kids there to stop being so lazy and get off their asses? Â
They didn't choose to get sick. Â No one is forced to run for office.
QUOTE Can they continue to operate the same way? NO.
And yet they continue to do so.
QUOTE The question becomes, do Republican voters still vote is their party starts coming back towards the middle?
If they ever start, we might find out. Â At worst, they'd be getting their asses kicked for a different reason. Â At best, they might make some progress. Â There is decidedly no interesting in staying the course they're currently running into the ground.
Edited by Malcolm on Nov. 08 2012,12:42
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Leisher
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Posted on: Nov. 08 2012,13:37 |
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QUOTE They didn't choose to get sick. No one is forced to run for office.
The point wasn't how they got in the situation, it was about the incredible odds against them.
QUOTE If they ever start, we might find out. At worst, they'd be getting their asses kicked for a different reason. At best, they might make some progress. There is decidedly no interesting in staying the course they're currently running into the ground.
No shit. That's my point.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Nov. 08 2012,14:05 |
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The Republican party should just change its logo to match the Washington Generals for all it matters at the moment. I'm pretty close to chalking them up as "hopeless" and I'd wager to say I'm in some demographic they give a fuck about.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Leisher
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Posted on: Nov. 08 2012,14:10 |
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I actually thought about that same analogy earlier today.
And I doubt you're in a demo they're looking for considering your were questioned about being Barrack's main supporter here the day after the election
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Nov. 08 2012,15:07 |
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(Leisher @ Nov. 08 2012,16:10)
QUOTE I actually thought about that same analogy earlier today. And I doubt you're in a demo they're looking for considering your were questioned about being Barrack's main supporter here the day after the election Â
I think the last time I voted Democrat, it was the for a corpse in the 2000 Missouri Senatorial election. Â That was only because the other dude worried me more.
I'd vote red elephant, but they continue to have their heads up their asses on a few social issues that I'm not fucking moving on. Â Every time I start inching closer, they remind me why I was staying away in the first place. Â Even if there's a one-off pachyderm somewhere that would sway my way on those issues, he's still a member of a party whose official lines wouldn't jive with me. Â The psychos holding those lines need to be swept out or a new party needs to split off because they look like they're going to hold onto their shitty, no White House-win strategy until someone pries it from their cold, dead hands.
Not one jack-ass got my vote, and that party in general is moving towards what I consider idiocy, in spite of my agreement with them on a few things. Â They aren't coming closer to me any time soon. Â It appears the same for the scarlet pachyderms, though instead of moving further away, they're holding steady like a deadweight ship with a drunk-ass crew caught on a fucking reef in stagnant water surrounded by half-chewed bodies of a few dudes named "Bush" and the tired ghost of Reagan.
There's no way I'm the only one pissed about the status quo but who couldn't bring myself to vote for the main opposition because they too frequently say shit that makes me shake my head and reach for another pint to drown out the subliminal message of, "No, that's ok. Â We're going to stick with the same losing plan we had last time. Â It's bound to work this election."
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Leisher
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Posted on: Nov. 08 2012,18:01 |
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Both parties are taking us towards Idiocracy.
I just think I'd rather change Republican minds on social issues than Democratic minds on fiscal ones.
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TPRJones
I saw The Fault in our Stars opening night.
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Posted on: Nov. 09 2012,08:14 |
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In 1994 I was a Repub party precinct chair. By 2000 I was evenly split between my disagreements with Repub and Dem. Now I still hardly ever vote Dem, but I can't see any chance of voting Repub again anytime soon. Through all that I've not changed my political stances one bit, it's the Repubs that have gone off the reservation.
Used to be I could generally agree with Dems on issues of personal freedom and Repubs on fiscal issues. I still mostly agree with Dems on their side (but it's been slipping a bit in their trend to legislate good health and shit like that). But Repubs are so much worse; I can't remember the last time there was a serious Republican candidate for any important office I get to vote for that was anywhere near fiscally conservative. Most of them want to spend just as much or more as the Dems, the only difference is what on. They've completely changed in the last 20 years.
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