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TheCatt 
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Posted on: Aug. 10 2010,11:12 |
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I never knew you were part of the Moral Majority.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Aug. 10 2010,11:23 |
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QUOTE “Traditional family values may be boring for Hollywood celebrities, but they develop stable, secure and healthy people,” Wright added.
The fucking hell they do. Whatever else they may do, your direct family is probably the source for all your nervous ticks, neuroses, & annoying quirks & habits developed prior to the age of eighteen.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Aug. 10 2010,12:21 |
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Put together a huge sampling group of 10,000 people raised by a "traditional" family, and 10,000 raised by single mothers, and I want to see the statistics for... general happiness. Some sort of metric. Perhaps crime rate, I don't know.
My money is on the children of traditional households generally being more well adjusted.
I am ready to stand corrected, but it better be a damned good study.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Aug. 10 2010,12:31 |
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Of course she thinks that, she's rich. In the real world it is generally harder for single women to raise kids on a single income. Same goes for dads too, but of course they always lose the kids in court, so single fathers aren't even worth mentioning.
Adding to that, I think it is detrimental for children to be in daycare 10 hours a day from the age of 6 weeks until 5 years, but nope, don't have any numbers for that, either.
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Aug. 10 2010,13:06 |
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(GORDON @ Aug. 10 2010,15:31)
QUOTE Of course she thinks that, she's rich. Â In the real world it is generally harder for single women to raise kids on a single income. Â Same goes for dads too, but of course they always lose the kids in court, so single fathers aren't even worth mentioning.
Adding to that, I think it is detrimental for children to be in daycare 10 hours a day from the age of 6 weeks until 5 years, but nope, don't have any numbers for that, either.
I agree, but I don't think it's absolute. There's a large # of successful single moms, and a large (though certainly minority) # of single parents who can afford to raise a child well.
I just don't think a dad (or mom) is absolutely required, nor do I think daycare damages every kid, like the people in the article stated.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Aug. 10 2010,13:27 |
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Well no, I am not speaking in absolutes, only generalizations.
I think that, ceteris parabis, M+F parents raising kids are more likely to raise successful (not just financially) adults than any other combination. Again, all other things being equal. Some people are screwed up no matter what their sexual orientation. Just speaking in generalities. Generally, I think Anniston is wrong, no matter how many nannies she will be able to afford to raise her kids when the time comes. And I think it was wrong of her to go out of her way to minimize the role of fathers, which is why I called her a bitch.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Aug. 10 2010,15:17 |
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Given the choice of an abusive father and no father, I'd take no father. Same goes for the mother.
If you want to go for evidence, the best way to raise a child is with a group of four or more adults. This is what mankind in most of the world has done for most of history, called the extended family the extras could be grandparents, or aunts and uncles, or what have you. You don't necessarily have to have both a father and a mother if there's spares hanging around.
Extended family is not so practical in the modern world. But I do expect sometime before this century is out we'll see polyamory become "normal" and have evidence showing it's the best way to raise kids.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Aug. 10 2010,16:18 |
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That is a fine point, but I like to think that 'abusive fathers' are a minority among the group of all fathers. Personally, I would suggest that abusive mothers are a bigger problem.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Aug. 10 2010,17:50 |
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Abusive's potentially a big-ass definition.
The more the adults outnumber the kids, the easier it's going to be (to a certain extent) to raise the latter. It doesn't have to take a fucking village, though ... as certain cabinet members would have you believe.
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
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DoctorChaos
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Posted on: Aug. 10 2010,18:05 |
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As one of those institutionally minimized fathers, she can go fuck herself with a chain saw! But I guess a "potentially abusive" father is worse than a drugged out welfare whore living with her mother.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Aug. 10 2010,18:50 |
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I think all this talk of polygamous relationships is just TPR's way of saying he wants to sleep with some dudes.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Aug. 10 2010,18:56 |
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Nah, I didn't care for it.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Aug. 10 2010,19:00 |
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Nah, it's cool. I have lots of friends who were gay. In prison.
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Aug. 11 2010,10:27 |
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(TPRJones @ Aug. 10 2010,21:29)
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(Malcolm @ Aug. 10 2010,19:50)
QUOTE The more the adults outnumber the kids, the easier it's going to be (to a certain extent) to raise the latter. It's less about outnumbering and more about just having the time to spend with them. Â If you've got six adults together and can juggle some work schedules around, then they can all have full time jobs but there's still one at home all day every day to spend time with the kids. Â That would make a big difference. But that sort of thing is frowned on these days.
I keep hearing about this and figured someone must have written a book recently... sure enough.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Aug. 13 2010,14:16 |
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Jennifer Anniston clarifies/backs off from her previous statement; takes a shot at Bill O'Reilly while doing it.
There are also hints of studies in this article that says kids are GENERALLY better off being raised by both their biological parents.
http://www.foxnews.com/enterta....omments
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unkbill
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2010,16:51 |
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My life would be easier without a family sometimes. OOOppss my bad. Heh.
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