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thibodeaux 
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Posted on: May 04 2012,17:43 |
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I couldn't find the thread where I mentioned this before. I really don't give a crap about this amendment one way or another, but the sheer annoying bullshit that the pro-gay-marriage people are posting on facebook is just nauseating. Apparently if you vote for this amendment, you hate not only gays, but women and children, too. Oh, and the economy: our state wil no longer have jobs if you vote for this amendment.
Here are a couple of posts from my "friends":
QUOTE I actually have peers planning to vote for amendment one. I really thought it would just be curmudgeons and country folk!
QUOTE On May 8, rednecks and old people will vote to define North Carolina as a typical, bigoted, deep south state.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: May 04 2012,18:44 |
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They're going a bit over the top, sure, but it is a very messy law as written. Â It even goes so far as to make it so that a same-sex married couple from another state cannot under this law be treated as married by any government agency or legal entity (including corporations) in NC. Â Don't expect many gay tourists, because if one of them ends up in the hospital it will be required by law that spouse be treated as no more than a friend and instead other family members will be the ones to make health care decisions, regardless of the wishes of the patient and his/her spouse.
The implications for visiting same-sex couples with adopted children can be even messier. Â While I doubt that any over-zealous CPS officer is likely to confiscate visiting children just because, since there is officially no marriage and the relationship they have is considered inappropriate for adoptive families in NC, technically they could. Â At a minimum they could make a whole legal mess for them if they wanted to. Â And again, it's not likely to be common or anything, but I for one prefer government agencies to have less power to screw with people at will rather than more.
It does specifically state that this law does not effect private contracts, however Wills and Powers of Attorney and other similar instruments are not legally contracts. Â They're a special class that will be voided by this law, regardless of the laws of the state in which they were written.
Mostly I find it funny that you can replace "same-sex" with "inter-racial" in any law or argument made against gay marriage, and suddenly it's like you are in the 1950s again. I have yet to see a single reason given to outlaw same-sex marriage that is not exactly like one given against inter-racial marriage back when it was still cool to be racist.
Edited by TPRJones on May 04 2012,18:47
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thibodeaux
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Posted on: May 04 2012,20:18 |
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I dunno, maybe the fact that there has never, ever, in the history of the world, been gay "marriage" makes it different. That is not the case for inter-racial marriage.
As for the scare tactic that gay couples won't come to the state...really? Ok, so what? What percentage of the population is that? 1% MAYBE?
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TPRJones
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Posted on: May 04 2012,21:47 |
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I don't intend for it to be a scare tactic. Â Just analyzing the law and it's implications.
And there are records of plenty of gay marriages from ancient Greece and pre-Christian Rome. Â Also China. Â That's hardly "never ever in the history of the world". Not that I consider maintaining a bigoted status quo to be a reasonable argument on it's own.
Edited by TPRJones on May 04 2012,21:52
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 04 2012,22:00 |
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I don't think any marriage should be recognized by the state. if someone has legal next of kin status, then that should be it, the end.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: May 04 2012,22:19 |
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I'm fine with that solution as well. Â As long as it's applied equally to all consenting citizens of legal age.
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thibodeaux
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Posted on: May 08 2012,16:40 |
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I wonder if they'll publish demographic data about who voted for/against. Because the thing that The Left hates to admit: Black people are anti-gay-marriage.
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TheCatt
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Posted on: May 08 2012,17:32 |
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That'd be nice, but how exactly do they do that?
At any rate, it's gonna pass. Bah.
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TheCatt
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Posted on: May 08 2012,18:24 |
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According to the article, <50% of whites supported prop 8, 53% of Hispanics did, and 70% of blacks did.
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 08 2012,18:32 |
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But, aren't there more hispanics than anything in California?
And I don't even remember what being for/against prop 8 was which.
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Troy
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Posted on: May 08 2012,18:35 |
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Apparently this amendment passing results in my 2 year old niece losing her health care. Nice job, NC.
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thibodeaux
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Posted on: May 08 2012,18:55 |
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What? Obama gave everybody health care. You liar.
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thibodeaux
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Posted on: May 09 2012,03:25 |
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HAHA! And of course the people of FB who hate bigotry, intolerance, and hate are the ones moaning about the awful toothless inbred rednecks.
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 09 2012,04:32 |
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So, my new understanding is that gay marriage was already illegal in NC, but now there has just passed an amendment to the state constitution making gay marriage illegal, so absolutely nothing has changed regarding the status of gay marriage?
Is that right?
Edited by GORDON on May 09 2012,04:32
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TheCatt
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Posted on: May 09 2012,05:26 |
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A gay friend says this will cause her daughter to lose health benefits, and was pretty upset. Guess we'll find out if this is true later.
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GORDON
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Posted on: May 09 2012,05:26 |
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^^^^ you beat me to it
I'm just curious about why Troy's 2 year old niece no longer has subsidized health care. Â Was there another Bill on the ballot denying subsidized health care for 2 year old girls?
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