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Posted on: Jun. 04 2010,13:31 |
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I got this from my uncle. I went to snopes and truthorfiction.com to see if it was true. Never the less it does mirror the way I feel about it. I mean besides the political finger shaking they are doing bad vote them out shit.
This was written by a Mexican who is now a naturalized US Citizen, and I think it's a great explanation of the illegal immigration issue.
Here is the quote:
"If you had tickets to a sports event, concert, Disneyland, or for an airline flight, and when you got to your assigned seat you found someone else was in that seat, what would you do? You would call for a person in charge of ticket checking and have the person in your seat removed. You would properly be asked to show your ticket, and you would gladly and proudly do so, for you have bought and paid for that seat.
The person in your seat would also be asked for a ticket, which they would not be able to produce. They would be called "gate crashers" and they would properly be removed.
Now in this huge stadium called the USA we have had millions of gate crashers. We have been asking security to check for tickets and remove the gate crashers. We have been asking security to have better controls in checking at the door. We have asked security to lock the back doors. Security has failed us. They are still looking the other way. They are afraid to ask to see the tickets. Many people say there is unlimited seating, and whether there is or not, no one should be allowed in for free while the rest of us pay full price!
In "section AZ", of "Stadium USA", we have had enough of the failures of Security.
We have decided to do our own ticket checking, and properly remove those who do not have tickets. Now it seems very strange to me that so many people in the other 49 "sections", and even many in our own "section" do not want tickets checked, or even to be asked to show their ticket! Even the head of Security is chastising us, while not doing his own job which he has sworn to do.
My own ticket has been bought and paid for, so I am proudly going to show it when asked to do so. I have a right to my seat, and I want the gate crashers to be asked to show their tickets too. The only reason that I can imagine anyone objecting to being asked for their ticket is that they are in favor of gate crashing, and all of the illegal activities that go with it, such as drug smuggling, gang wars, murder, human smuggling for profit, and many more illegal and inhumane acts that we are trying to prevent with our new legislation. Is that what I am hearing from all of the protestors such as Phoenix Mayor Gordon, US Rep. Grijalva, even President Obama? If you are not in favor of showing tickets, (proof of citizenship, passport, green card, or other legal document) when asked, as I would do proudly, then you must be condoning those illegal activities."
Written by a US Citizen, Globe, Arizona.
This makes perfect sense to me. What do you think?
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 04 2010,15:03 |
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Even if a cop accuses me at random of having a dead hooker in my trunk, I probably wouldn't consent to a search, even to prove him wrong. Until his ass proves he's got reason enough to look, I'd refuse just to be contrary.
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unkbill
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Posted on: Jun. 06 2010,06:16 |
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(TPRJones @ Jun. 04 2010,14:14)
QUOTE QUOTE The only reason that I can imagine anyone objecting to being asked for their ticket is that they are in favor of gate crashing Then you have an exceptionally poor imagination. I don't want to live in a world where one must show proof of ones right to exist upon demand to a government official. Â The government is meant to serve the people, not the other way around. If you like that sort of thing, move to communist East Germany. Â Oh, nevermind, you can't because it doesn't exist anymore. Â That's still no reason to recreate it here. Â Stinkin' Commies.
If things worked right there would be no need to ask for ID. The boarder should be closed with the only people here being legal.
I don't know why people are so thin skinned about being asked for identification. Do people bitch when they get pulled over for speeding. I'm thinking there are allot more of my rights being trampled on by illegal aliens being here.
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unkbill
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(TPRJones @ Jun. 06 2010,14:03)
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(unkbill @ Jun. 06 2010,08:16)
QUOTE I don't know why people are so thin skinned about being asked for identification. Commies never do understand why that's a problem, no.
Guess I am a commie. Are you expecting every cop on the planet to know who you are when they see you. He looks normal so he must be. My wife has been profiled at the airport. Lets check her bags for explosive residue. She is of color. Made me feel better about her flying and I would hope make the other passengers feel better. Do I think they do a good enough job? No.
Now I here the terrorist are having women carry bombs. It is of little intrusion to my life to make myself feel better.
If this were a perfect world I wouldn't have to worry.
Wish this gov. would shut down our boarders would make me sleep better.
Will bet only one on here I can go to Canada or Mexico illegally. Â That does not make me feel safe. Sometimes we have to give up freedoms to feel safe. But in a perfect world I wouldn't have to. Isn't a perfect world what the communist wanted. I don't want a perfect world. I know that is not possible. Â How about a better government guarding my boarders making me feel safer?
Edited by unkbill on Jun. 06 2010,15:22
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Posted on: Jun. 07 2010,06:41 |
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Except... sometimes you are breaking the law because of your identity if you are in the country illegally.
At any rate, the Arizona Law doesn't allow for random "papers, please"-type checks, the way it is being advertised in the MSM. None of them read the law before having an opinion about it; they just swallowed what was fed to them by their masters.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 07 2010,08:01 |
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(GORDON @ Jun. 07 2010,08:41)
QUOTE Except... sometimes you are breaking the law because of your identity if you are in the country illegally.
At any rate, the Arizona Law doesn't allow for random "papers, please"-type checks, the way it is being advertised in the MSM. Â None of them read the law before having an opinion about it; they just swallowed what was fed to them by their masters.
QUOTE At any rate, the Arizona Law doesn't allow for random "papers, please"-type checks...
Because cops just can't detain you for random shit that can make up.
"You know why I pulled you over? One of your tail lights started blinking right before you made that turn back there. Might be broken."
Granted, you're only subject to the check if the cop gets you for something else, but honestly, how hard is that to make up?
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 07 2010,10:25 |
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I wouldn't say it is hard at all, but then that is nothing new. Why get all in an uproar over that practice now? Oh yeah, because there is a political agenda to push.
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Posted on: Jun. 07 2010,11:12 |
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Fine. Start practicing fiscal responsibility and adherence to the constitution in government to pander to the tea partiers, then in compromise you can stop checking people for legal citizenship to pander to the left.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jun. 07 2010,17:37 |
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That's one of the primary tea party messages. Fiscal responsibility.
Which, or course, makes them racist.
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Posted on: Jun. 14 2010,11:55 |
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More from Arizona:
New law coming.
That one is going to get beat in court. I like where their head is at in trying to close a loophole, but the Constitution won't be overruled. Although, one would have to ask why the Democratically controlled Congress is allowed to ignore the Constitution when passing health care, yet this law will be stopped due to the Constitution.
Workplace raid.
Ok, they were there for something else AND illegals, but I think the Sizzler highlights what could truly be done to stop illegal immigration: harsher punishments for companies that hire them.9And cut off the free social services, of course.)
Arizona's tactics are working.
Despite the attempts to spin it to make Arizona look stupid or evil, there's a lot of good information in that article showing they are on the right track.
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QUOTE Nearly 100,000 illegal immigrants left Arizona after it passed a 2007 law that penalized businesses that hired them
I like how the article also shows that the illegals seem to simply be moving on to other states in greater numbers than those returning home. That's more proof that Arizona is not only right, but that the last state to adopt similar laws will be left holding the check.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jun. 14 2010,14:01 |
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QUOTE Senate Bill 1070, which allows law enforcement officers to ask about someone's immigration status during a traffic stop, detainment or arrest if reasonable suspicion exists - things like poor English skills, acting nervous or avoiding eye contact during a traffic stop.
That's "reasonable suspicion?" Â Wow. Â Bar's set pretty goddamned low. Â If "poor English skills" warrants an immigration check, then most native speakers would be subject to it.
QUOTE For his part, Gutierrez is skeptical of claims that the law will begin an exodus. “I don’t see a historical trend that has been in place for 100 years will be reversed because you’ve got a few hyper-conservative white legislators trying to turn back the clock, turn back the tides of history.”
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“Latinos...are a highly flexible, highly exploitable work force, a buffer to economic downturns,” he says. “Many of the industries here – agriculture, service industries, low-end manufacturing, construction – are massively dependent on undocumented workers.
That was mainly the attitude of many Southern slavery apologists towards their workers. Â Interesting how he's concerned about them as people in the paragraph before & talks about them like an abstract economic commodity in the next.
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
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"Better dead than smeg."
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unkbill
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Posted on: Jun. 21 2010,07:10 |
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Bout says it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOHOHKBEqE
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