Topic: The Avengers
started by: GORDON
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 29 2008,05:41
Downey Jr. is locked in.< http://www.mania.com/downey-signs-for-avengers_article_110785.html >
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 29 2008,06:09
Don Cheadle is also signed on. I'm not 100% sure, but I think part of Ed Norton's deal is that he's signed on for The Avengers too.
Marvel also plans to lock up whomever plays Captain America and Thor for The Avengers.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 29 2008,10:39
The potential ensemble cast doesn't worry me. At least Favreau is back directing.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 14 2010,08:22
< Joss Whedon to direct. >Favreau will be on board producing.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 14 2010,08:23
(Leisher @ Apr. 14 2010,10:22)
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< Joss Whedon to direct. >
& that pretty much ensures I'm never, ever going to see this.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 14 2010,09:09
(Malcolm @ Apr. 14 2010,11:23)
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(Leisher @ Apr. 14 2010,10:22)
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< Joss Whedon to direct. >
& that pretty much ensures I'm never, ever going to see this.
Good, more seats for me.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 12 2010,08:20
< Ed Norton is out >.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 12 2010,08:22
He's just pissy because Salma dumped him.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 12 2010,11:03
Interesting how Marvel worded that announcement. They wanted everyone to know this was not about money, but because Norton is hard to work with.
Considering his lack of other gigs lately, it seems that message might be spreading.
That's what happened to Kilmer.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 21 2011,10:53
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 21 2011,17:05
(Leisher @ Jul. 12 2010,13:03)
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That's what happened to Kilmer.
Brando was supposed to be the ultimate asshole to work with on a set.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 21 2011,17:08
I think Brando was a little more than half insane.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 17 2011,07:12
< Captain America's new outfit. >
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 22 2011,07:50
< A picture and some footage of filming. >
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 12 2011,11:44
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 12 2011,12:14
Neat to see them all interacting.A massive industry was created just to get to this movie.... let's see how it turns out.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 12 2011,12:22
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A massive industry was created just to get to this movie
If The Avengers is even moderately successful, they're saying that the franchise will have more box office than the Harry Potter films, which is the current champ.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 06 2012,09:30
< Latest spot. >"I have an army..."
"We have a Hulk."
I might do a midnight screening for this film if they have one. Opening night for certain.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 06 2012,09:35
I'm in.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 06 2012,10:09
It looks like Downey/Iron Man is going to be the pivotal role in explaining the team and the story. That's perfect. This film is just excellently cast. My only gripe would be that I still think Mark Valley was born to play Captain America. Plus, the new guy as Bruce Banner is untested.
I wonder if Loki will truly be the only villain as he was in the first Avengers comic way back when? I wondered if we'd see Ultron, possibly the #1 Avengers villain, but he was created by Hank Pym (Giant Man/Ant Man), and we haven't seen him yet.
I honestly have no idea who the hell would be the villain(s) in a sequel right now. That's the problem with the Avengers and the JLA, it's hard to create good villains to offset all of their powers.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 06 2012,10:15
I still have to watch all the other movies to know who's who and what they are about. Iron Man is the only one I've seen.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 06 2012,10:23
So it's going to be Loki and the Frost Giants?
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 06 2012,10:45
(GORDON @ Feb. 06 2012,13:23)
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So it's going to be Loki and the Frost Giants?
Didn't we already see that movie?
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 06 2012,11:11
The team is: Captain America (guy with the shield), Iron Man (guy in the suit), Hulk (green), Thor (god of thunder), Hawkeye (guy with the bow), and Black Widow (chick). Nick Fury (Sam Jackson) is in charge, and Agent M (guy who looks like a fed) is with him and SHIELD (Google the acronym). Loki, the god of mischief, is the bad guy and Thor's brother.
Watch:
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Captain America
Thor
The Incredible Hulk
Hawkeye shows up in Thor, but isn't given a huge back story. Black Widow appears in Iron Man, but again, little back story. Nick Fury appears in them all, usually in the scene after the credits. Agent M appears in most of the films.
Skip Ang Lee's Hulk. It's one of the worst movies ever made.
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So it's going to be Loki and the Frost Giants?
Loki, yes. Frost Giants, I have no idea. The enemies look a bit too high tech for Frost Giants, which is what made me think of Ultron.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 06 2012,12:06
I guess this is spoilers for the lame assholes who have only seen Iron Man.At the end of Thor Loki fell off Bifrost and it looked like he fell into the wormhole that was fucking up.... the planet of the Frost Giants. Forget the name. And as Loki is a Frost Giant, I assumed he would be hooking up with them.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 06 2012,12:23
Continuing spoilers from Gordon's last post!!!![U]The real thing to focus on is the end credits scene from Captain America.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 07 2012,06:41
< Villains revealed? >< And here's and interesting image > from the upcoming toy line associated with the film.
Is that War Machine or will we see a new suit of armor?
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 29 2012,10:06
Latest trailer Posted by GORDON on Feb. 29 2012,10:25
This looks very much like it will not suck.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 13 2012,13:03
< Filming another scene before release? >As the article points out, VERY interesting that they're doing it after the premiere. My initial guess, since apparently the cast doesn't even know, is that this is going to be the credits scene, and might feature the next villain?
In other news, < early reviews are glowing. >
From CBM's non-review (not allowed to review until May 2nd):
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- For those who were worried about Joss Whedon helming this movie... You have been proven complete and total idiots.
- For those concerned that the large cast of characters would prove too much for one movie... NOT a problem.
- For those who think that underpowered Black Widow and Hawkeye would be underused and have smaller roles... Not so.
- For those worried that all the trailers, clips and commercials have shown all the good parts already... They didn't even scratch the surface.
- For those who don't believe THE AVENGERS will be THE comic book movie of the year... TDKR and Amazing Spider-Man will have to be surprisingly special to take the title.
- For those concerned that the large cast of characters would prove too much for one movie... NOT a problem.
- For those who think that underpowered Black Widow and Hawkeye would be underused and have smaller roles... Not so.
- For those worried that all the trailers, clips and commercials have shown all the good parts already... They didn't even scratch the surface.
- For those who don't believe THE AVENGERS will be THE comic book movie of the year... TDKR and Amazing Spider-Man will have to be surprisingly special to take the title.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 13 2012,13:11
AMC Theaters are having a marathon starting at 11:30 a.m. on May 3rd. $40
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America
The Incredible Hulk
The Avengers (at midnight)
I'd go.
Some theater in Tulsa is doing it for $20 with several of the movies in 3D.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 13 2012,13:31
That sounds like a long day.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 17 2012,11:59
By the way, tickets were purchased for opening night.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 20 2012,11:38
Crap. Rotten Tomatoes has 18 reviews in so far, and the Tomatometer is currently at < 100%. >There is no way a film lives up to this much hype is there?
Here's a review from The Hollywood Reporter, in which I have removed ALL spoilers:
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The All-Star Game of modern superhero extravaganzas, The Avengers is humongous, the film Marvel and its legions of fans have been waiting for. It's hard to imagine that anyone with an appetite for the trademark's patented brand of fantasy, effects, mayhem and strangely dressed he-men will be disappointed; not only does this eye-popping 3D display of visual effects fireworks feature an enormously high proportion of action scenes, but director Joss Whedon has adroitly balanced the celebrity circus to give every single one of the superstar characters his or her due. Worldwide box office returns will be, in a word, Marvelous.
Over the past several years, Marvel has, with accelerated speed, expanded its cinematic repertoire of over-muscled, generally double-identitied heroes not otherwise encumbered by exclusive contracts with other studios—most notably The Hulk, Iron Man, Thor and Captain America--to arrive at the point where this summit meeting of superhuman good guys could be assembled. (A prominent relative, Spider-Man, has his own reboot coming up this summer.) After this, the characters will go their separate ways (Iron Man 3 starts shooting next month, with second chapters of Thor and Captain America set to roll within the year) before gathering again before too many movie summers pass. With the bundle this one will make, the pressure will be on make it happen sooner rather than later.
As creatively variable and predictably formulaic as the Marvel films have been, this one will not only make the core geek audience feel like it's died and gone to Asgard but has so much going for it that many non-fans will be disarmed and charmed. This is effects-driven, mass appeal summer fare par excellence, that sought-after rare bird that hits all the quadrants, as marketing mavens like to say. As enormous as the production is, though, the appeal of the ensemble cast makes a crucial difference; you get enough but not too much of each of them and they all get multiple scenes to themselves to shine.
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It's clamorous, the save-the-world story is one everyone's seen time and again, and the characters have been around for more than half a century in 500 comic book issues. But Whedon and his cohorts have managed to stir all the personalities and ingredients together so that the resulting dish, however familiar, is irresistibly tasty again. A quick coda reveals, to well-versed fans at least, who the new adversary in the next installment will be, underlining a reality as absolute as the turning of the Earth: Especially after this, Marvel movies will go on and on and on.
Over the past several years, Marvel has, with accelerated speed, expanded its cinematic repertoire of over-muscled, generally double-identitied heroes not otherwise encumbered by exclusive contracts with other studios—most notably The Hulk, Iron Man, Thor and Captain America--to arrive at the point where this summit meeting of superhuman good guys could be assembled. (A prominent relative, Spider-Man, has his own reboot coming up this summer.) After this, the characters will go their separate ways (Iron Man 3 starts shooting next month, with second chapters of Thor and Captain America set to roll within the year) before gathering again before too many movie summers pass. With the bundle this one will make, the pressure will be on make it happen sooner rather than later.
As creatively variable and predictably formulaic as the Marvel films have been, this one will not only make the core geek audience feel like it's died and gone to Asgard but has so much going for it that many non-fans will be disarmed and charmed. This is effects-driven, mass appeal summer fare par excellence, that sought-after rare bird that hits all the quadrants, as marketing mavens like to say. As enormous as the production is, though, the appeal of the ensemble cast makes a crucial difference; you get enough but not too much of each of them and they all get multiple scenes to themselves to shine.
[REDACTED]
It's clamorous, the save-the-world story is one everyone's seen time and again, and the characters have been around for more than half a century in 500 comic book issues. But Whedon and his cohorts have managed to stir all the personalities and ingredients together so that the resulting dish, however familiar, is irresistibly tasty again. A quick coda reveals, to well-versed fans at least, who the new adversary in the next installment will be, underlining a reality as absolute as the turning of the Earth: Especially after this, Marvel movies will go on and on and on.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 30 2012,08:54
< It broke a ton of overseas records. >
Posted by Leisher on May 04 2012,07:19
Avengers Assemble!!!!(Sorry, I had to do it.)
Posted by Leisher on May 04 2012,20:15
Best movie ever made? It's in the conversation.
See it.
Now.
And see it in 3D.
Posted by GORDON on May 04 2012,20:43
Movie delivers.
Posted by GORDON on May 05 2012,09:04
I think I am taking my kid to see it tomorrow in a matinee.Leisher, want to take your oldest?
Posted by GORDON on May 05 2012,09:13
Or anyone else, for that mater?
Posted by TheCatt on May 05 2012,09:34
Take me.
Posted by Leisher on May 05 2012,10:22
Yard work. I am taking my kid, but it'll be this week or next weekend.
Posted by Leisher on May 07 2012,06:10
< Biggest opening weekend ever. >Over $600 million worldwide in 12 days. It has a legit shot of being the highest grossing movie ever.
I also have a hunch this is going to win some Oscars. The easy way out will be an effects Oscar, but I have a feeling it'll be nominated for Best Picture and Best Director.
Posted by GORDON on May 07 2012,06:46
Go Joss!
Posted by GORDON on May 07 2012,16:24
You know what sucks about other people?I am trying to read other forums about this film, and all most of them want to talk about is how fascist this movie is.
And their Star Trek II discussion is all about racism.
Seriously, other people are the worst.
Posted by Leisher on May 08 2012,06:37
(GORDON @ May 07 2012,19:24)
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You know what sucks about other people?
I am trying to read other forums about this film, and all most of them want to talk about is how fascist this movie is.
And their Star Trek II discussion is all about racism.
Seriously, other people are the worst.
I am trying to read other forums about this film, and all most of them want to talk about is how fascist this movie is.
And their Star Trek II discussion is all about racism.
Seriously, other people are the worst.
I would stop going to those forums.
Also, you've got to recognize the motivations behind the bashing of popular movies like The Avengers and Star Trek.
We're talking about lonely, miserable people whose lives are so devoid of meaning that they try to prove their worth by acting morally and intellectually superior to the masses who enjoy these films. Thus, they try and achieve this by inventing ulterior motives for the filmmakers. Remember, it's always been "cool" to hate what's popular, but you need a reason...
Posted by Leisher on May 08 2012,12:09
On the same "people suck" note, < peeps are mad because of India scene. >Because showing any reality is evil.
And on a funnier one...
Posted by GORDON on May 08 2012,13:35
Know what sucks?I wanted to watch Thor and/or Captain America with my kid before we saw The Avengers on Sunday, so he would know who those characters were. Saturday night I am going through Netflix, Amazon Instant Video, and Vudu looking to rent them. I had seen them for rent on Vudu before long ago, had never looked on the other two.
No longer available to rent, purchase only.
I didn't like that. Seems like they are trying to ride the Avengers bump to make some more sales, instead of rentals.
So guess what happened next.
Posted by TheCatt on May 08 2012,14:13
Funny, I had no problem finding them 
Posted by GORDON on May 08 2012,14:34
Yeah, that was my "guess what happened next."
Posted by Leisher on May 09 2012,07:01
< The sequel has gone into production. >Disney/Marvel are currently reinventing film making.
I've seen a lot of talk over the past week wondering how the folks at Warner Brothers are reacting to The Avengers. WB owns DC, which means they could make a Justice League movie featuring Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and the greatest hero of all, Aquaman.
Posted by GORDON on May 09 2012,07:12
Looking forward to the next Thor/Cap/Iron Man movies, to see what they do with the aftermath, and..... SET UP FOR THE SEQUEL.Can you buy tickets yet?
Posted by GORDON on May 16 2012,17:19
Looks like we are going again Friday night.
Posted by Leisher on May 20 2012,17:38
#1 again for the third straight week. If it takes the top spot again next week...well, when is the last time a movie swept May?
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 18 2012,13:51
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 18 2012,13:54
Can't wait for my 3d Bluray to arrive so I can focus on Black Widow's leather-clad ass in 3d. A lot.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 18 2012,15:22
Supposedly she went from paleo diet to being a vegan to fit that outfit.Thib's gonna call bullshit.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 18 2012,15:37
She needs to go on a strict Gordo's Penis diet.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 18 2012,17:40
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She needs to go on a strict Gordo's Penis diet.
She'd starve.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 12 2012,06:33
Apparently, there are a few of these "mini movies" on Marvel DVDs?
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 12 2012,12:34
Yep. "A funny thing happened on the way to Thor's Hammer" is my fave, I think.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 30 2012,13:28
< Avengers the TV show. >
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 26 2012,18:41
Blu Ray is good, obviously. Joss Whedon could teach a masterclass on directing movies and writing screenplays.There's another "Marvel: One Shot," called "Item 47." Looks a lot like the premise of the upcoming SHIELD tv show. I am betting that Agent Sitwell will be in the show.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 16 2012,22:26
This comic came out a while back, but the Iron Man part cracks me up.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 18 2012,18:37
My 10th or 12th viewing today (blu ray), I noticed for the first time that Agent Sitwell (I think that is his name... the bald guy from the One Shot) from "Item 47" is on the helicarrier, and actually has a line which I believe he says to Coulson.Never noticed that before. And like I said, I have a feeling he is going to factor strongly in the SHIELD tv show.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 03 2012,13:07
Malcolm brought up Whedon's need to be raped by dozens... scores, even... herpes infested dildos, and it made me realize something:Black Widow is a potential slayer that was either pre-pubescent when Buffy/Willow activated them all, or was in the clutches of KGB training and wasn't able to join her in Sunnydale.
Natasha is very obviously a Slayer.
And I think Buffy may be in Avengers 2.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 04 2012,18:38
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2012,07:17
Hawkeye, the Avengers' answer to Aquaman.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 05 2012,07:25
Actually, Hawkeye is pretty bad ass. In the books he's always been a complete asshole to Captain America, and I'm pretty sure he banged every chick that's ever been in The Avengers. I'd say Giant Man is The Avengers' answer to Aquaman.
He's a founding member, the least interesting person on the team, beat his wife, created their arch-enemy Ultron, constantly looks for validation for his brains and abilities, feel in love and fucked a robot he made after his wife "died", and should probably be a super villain.
By the way, when DC relaunched their books, they made Aquaman cool again, and his book is among the best selling in the market. Not kidding.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2012,07:36
Talking about Hank Pimm? I thought he was Ant Man.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 05 2012,07:59
He's both. "Pym particles" make him get smaller or bigger.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2012,08:06
He was an ok guy in the recent, and good, Avengers cartoon.Who is Wasp? She liked him.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 05 2012,08:20
I know way too much about comics...Wasp is Janet van Dyne, and she married him. She's also a founding member of the Avengers, and was recently presumed dead, but she wasn't...of course.
In the regular Marvel universe, they have had problems, and I'm pretty sure he struck her in an issue in the 60s or 70s.
In the ultimate Marvel universe (think alternate timeline), he smacked her around, sprayed her with Raid, and then made his ants attack her. Don't worry, she survived...until the Blob, literally, ate her.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2012,08:32
I'd eat her too.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2012,08:46
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Actually, Hawkeye is pretty bad ass. In the books he's always been a complete asshole to Captain America, and I'm pretty sure he banged every chick that's ever been in The Avengers.
He needs to start a cross-universe support group with the Green Arrow for "superheroes who picked shitty signature weapons." Also, being an asshole to Captain America isn't too hard.
"Ok, Avenger role call. Let's see, billionaire with a flying metal suit that shoots rockets and lasers? Check. Supersoldier injected with kick-ass serum and boomerang shield? Check. Norse deity with holy hammer? Present. And a radioactive green giant that can literally pick up and move mountains? Ok, that's everyone. The pussy with the bow and arrow, get the fuck out, we don't need you."
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 05 2012,11:37
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He needs to start a cross-universe support group with the Green Arrow for "superheroes who picked shitty signature weapons." Also, being an asshole to Captain America isn't too hard.
First of all, Green Arrow is comics' biggest liberal. No joke. He was ridiculously polarizing if you had even the slightest conservative views. His whole story was indutrialist turned Robin Hood. So he's a dick.
Secondly, Hawkeye is a ladies man and is bad ass enough to hang with a Hulk, Iron Man, a god, and a super soldier. Only Iron Man pulls more pussy.
Third, as was once stated in a book, and I'm paraphrasing:
"He didn't just disagree with Cap, he crazy disagreed. If Cap said he likes Thanksgiving, Hawkeye would say Thanksgiving sucks, turkey sucks, Cap sucks, and he quits."
In the ultimate Marvel universe Hawkeye is a full on bad ass who will kill you if you get in his way. Over in that timeline, Black Widow betrayed the team and Hawkeye rewarded her with an arrow through her skull.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2012,12:15
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First of all, Green Arrow is comics' biggest liberal.
Yeah, he's a prick.
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Secondly, Hawkeye is a ladies man and is bad ass enough to hang with a Hulk, Iron Man, a god, and a super soldier.
I'm sure whenever they need an archery target's bulls-eye taken out, he's the man ... provided the Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America are out making a beer run or something.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2012,12:17
(Malcolm @ Dec. 05 2012,15:15)
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I'm sure whenever they need an archery target's bulls-eye taken out, he's the man ... provided the Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America are out making a beer run or something.
You need to watch the movie so you can see him fleshed out a little bit.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2012,12:24
I can buy Batman, a normal human, hanging with with and getting respect from a group of demi-gods, aliens, and metahumans because he's the fucking Batman and his paranoia reaches levels that makes the bastard offspring of Stalin and Kim Jong Il look well adjusted. I never got that vibe from Hawkeye.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2012,12:25
He is used exactly as he should be during all parts of the movie.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2012,12:38
Bringing everyone else their beverages?
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2012,12:45
And he clenches up.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 05 2012,13:27
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I can buy Batman, a normal human, hanging with with and getting respect from a group of demi-gods, aliens, and metahumans because he's the fucking Batman and his paranoia reaches levels that makes the bastard offspring of Stalin and Kim Jong Il look well adjusted.
Because a guy who is exceptional with a bow and arrow is far less believable than a billionaire who doesn't care about money or all the pussy that's thrown at him, and instead puts himself in harm's way every night by fighting street criminals, aliens, gods, super villains, etc. with his bare hands.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 06 2012,07:19
Batman hangs with Superman, Wonder Women, the Martian Manhunter, and survives fights with their cosmic, extra-dimensional, and demonic foes. Batman's got more than a fucking bow and arrow.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2012,07:56
This reminds me of Budapest.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 06 2012,08:29
Hawkeye hangs with Captain America, Hulk, Iron Man, Wolverine, Thor, etc. and survives fights with their cosmic, extra-dimensional, and demonic foes. Hawkeye routinely uses anything as a weapon, and doesn't just rely on a bow and arrow.
He also isn't a billionaire with abandonment issues who likes to befriend little boys.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 06 2012,08:48
No, he's a circus reject that bitches out his wife for killing the dude that effectively raped her.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 06 2012,10:09
Who? Hawkeye isn't married. He was married to Mockingbird, but that ended a long time ago.And I'll still take a married guy over Jerry Sandusky in a S&M outfit.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 06 2012,10:27
(Leisher @ Dec. 06 2012,12:09)
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Who? Hawkeye isn't married. He was married to Mockingbird, but that ended a long time ago.
That's the one.
Sexual innuendo aside, Batman's got the car, the plane, the cave, and secret files on how to kill damn near anyone in the entire DC world if need be. I challenge Hawkeye does not.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2012,10:36
He doesn't need them, he'll just kill them when he feels like it.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 06 2012,10:45
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Batman's got the car, the plane, the cave, and secret files on how to kill damn near anyone in the entire DC world if need be. I challenge Hawkeye does not.
And that's why Hawkeye wins.
Batman has serious mental problems. His mom and dad were killed in front of him 30 years ago, but he can't let it go. Instead he has spent his life dedicated to living in the past trying to change the outcome of that night.
On top of that, he hasn't earned shit. His parents made the money, and he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Trustees run all of his companies while he's out getting beat down every night.
The Joker is right, Batman needs him. If all crime disappeared, Batman would probably turn into the a villain to fill that emotional scar he can't let go. He doesn't kill, but I think that's for himself, so the game he's playing can go on forever. Seriously, how many folks have died because Batman didn't break Joker's neck the first time they fought?
And what kind of psycho keeps files on how to kill his friends? Paranoid much?
Meanwhile, Hawkeye is from the streets. He did the villain thing and left it behind. Now he's on the side of angels and banging hotties.
He doesn't need to keep files on how to kill his friends because they're his friends. And Clint Barton will put one in your skull if your actions warrant it.
Hawkeye - Sane. Likes the ladies. Self-made. Good guy. Ironically has an attitude like Malcolm.
Batman - Emotionally damaged. Spoiled brat. Possible child molester. Good guy who lets innocents die because he doesn't want blood on his hands.
This is fun.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2012,11:08
You'd better make a decision, I'm starting to like this guy.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 06 2012,11:31
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On top of that, he hasn't earned shit. His parents made the money, and he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Trustees run all of his companies while he's out getting beat down every night.
Bullshit. He wasn't born with an innate mastery of martial arts, engineering, and sciences. Is it easier for him than someone who's flat broke? Yeah.
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Trustees run all of his companies while he's out getting beat down every night.
Because they don't have the chops to run around policing an entire berg the size of New York.
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The Joker is right, Batman needs him. If all crime disappeared, Batman would probably turn into the a villain to fill that emotional scar he can't let go. He doesn't kill, but I think that's for himself, so the game he's playing can go on forever. Seriously, how many folks have died because Batman didn't break Joker's neck the first time they fought?
He kills, he just doesn't do it intentionally or frequently. As for his non-lethality, without it, he's just Azrael. With it, he's a richer version of the Punisher. With no criminals in Gotham, he might get the superhero version of cabin fever and up and move to a place with more. Batman is not a dude that exists without conflict. He's an irresponsible dumbass in public and pragmatic bastard in private; he can't bring himself to stop his one-man vigilante war by hanging up the cowl, but he's not able to stop it by straight up murder, either. Bruce Wayne just needs to build his own jail complex and stop handing over the crooks to Arkham.
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And what kind of psycho keeps files on how to kill his friends? Paranoid much?
Just because you're paranoid doesn't make you wrong. This seems particularly true if your closest friends are all superpowered and have the nasty tendency to get mind-controlled on occasion.
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Sane ... Ironically has an attitude like Malcolm.
This seems contradictory.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 06 2012,11:51
Batman has spent his life working hard to be the best at everything. Everything. Not just karate and detective work and whatnot, but also gardening and ballet and hopscotch.
Sorry, but Hawkeye just can't bring that level of comedy to the table. Batman wins.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2012,12:00
(TPRJones @ Dec. 06 2012,14:51)
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Sorry, but Hawkeye just can't bring that level of comedy to the table. Batman wins.
That isn't Batman making a joke, that is Batman being the joke.
Advantage Hawkeye, I think.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 06 2012,12:06
I care not from whence the jokes come. I only care that they are there. Advantage Batman. Hell, advantage Adam West as Batman, really.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2012,12:09
Batman has had too long in the public consciousness. Hawkeye can't compare with the satirical options available to The Goddam Batman.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 06 2012,12:40
Hawkeye's been around since the '60s. And to answer to Hawkeye's telling Captain American to fuck off, I won't go into how many times Bats has said the same to the entire Justice League.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2012,12:41
I didn't even know Hawkeye existed until about 3 years ago, I have known about Batman since about 1975. I stand by what I said.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 06 2012,15:47
So your argument is that because Batman is better and more popular therefore Hawkeye wins?Okay.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2012,17:22
No, that wasn't my argument. I said because Batman has been in the public consciousness for so long, it is easy to make little parodies like the one you posted. It is only funny because we nerds have known about Batman for so long, we know him so well, in his many iterations, that your parody can be funny. If someone did the same about Hawk or any other character we just met, and we knew no back story, and we didn't know his many incarnations from decades past, with many different people portraying him, with many different artists writing him, it wouldn't be funny at all.You say Batman wins because of the funny parodies we can make. I say unfair because he has the advantage of longevity that Hawk can't match, no matter when he was invented. The general public is only just learning of him. I am a nerd, but I was never a comic book nerd. I can't think of any way to parody Hawk besides... hey look the guy who is good with a bow is buddies with the Hulk and a Norse god. Or something.
Hawk isn't funny, yet.
Hell... from time to time, when I want to duck our early and quietly from some social gathering, I find a key person, usually near the door, say, "I am the night," and slide out. I can't think of a good Hawk phrase at all because 1: I just met him, and 2: no one would get it even if I did because no one knows him yet, in general.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 06 2012,17:47
Okay, but Batman can breathe in space.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2012,17:49
Well, advantage Batman, then.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 06 2012,18:49
Alrighty...1) Hawkeye is bad-ass because he shoots traitors in the head ... with arrows.
Batman once had a dude piss him off. This dude's only superpower was being immortal. Batman blinded him, defenestrated him, had him run over with a truck, broke every bone in his body by having him human-pretzeled into a trash container, and then launched it into outer fucking space. An arrow to the head ain't shit.
2) Hawkeye gets the ladies.
Batman napalmed and curb-stomped a dock full of criminals and fucked Black Canary on said dock while the corpses smouldered.
EDIT: I should point out #2 is the Frank Miller Batman.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2012,18:52
Hawkeye is efficient, Batman is kind of twisted.I know who I'd rather have as a roommate.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 06 2012,18:56
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Hawkeye is efficient, Batman is kind of twisted.
Efficiency...
Instead of tearing up Gotham, Batman once decided to have a Soviet agent chase him into the sewers, then he boarded him up and left him to rot. Minimal effort, almost zero resources, no collateral damage.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 07 2012,06:49
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Okay, but Batman can breathe in space.
No he can't.
Batman got his back broken by a junkie. Dude snapped him over his knee as if Batman was nothing more than a pool cue, and that dude is just a man without powers too. What a bitch.
He was also killed by a single shot from Darkseid's eye beams. (Yes, killed.)
He also recently befriended a new hero and ended up SPOILER his SPOILER to the guy, right before the guy SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER in front of him.
(No picture for this because honestly the story is worth reading. It's a trilogy written by Kevin Smith, and say what you want about him, the fucker can write comics. Pick up "Batman: Cacophony", then move to "The Widening Gyre". Only the first half of Widening Gyre is done, with it finishing up sometime in 2013. Easily one of the best Batman stories ever.)
And for the record, I don't hate Batman. I do think he's crazy overexposed though. This whole contest started because Malcolm, and others like him, don't know who Hawkeye is, and therefore just consider him uncool. Gordo and I are making the point that if Hawkeye was the "big name", and Batman was a new character, Malcolm and those of the same mindset would be saying, "So the spoiled rich boy is just playing hero next to all these actual heroes?"
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 07 2012,07:12
As I said before to that Batman v. Wolverine picture ... Wolvie doesn't look fucked up enough to have gone even one round with the Bat.EDIT: And I know quite well who Hawkeye is, goddamnit.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 07 2012,07:31
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Wolvie doesn't look fucked up enough to have gone even one round with the Bat.
How should he look?
He has a healing factor. The guy fights the Hulk and walks away looking like he did before the fight.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 07 2012,08:06
Bats has dealt with Ra's al Ghul forever. In addition, he's stood toe-to-toe with Darkseid killed him (at least as much as Darkseid "killed" him). Batman dealt a mortal blow to the dude Superman couldn't take down.Also, as a little known fact, Batman was never weakened to the point where the lowly Canadian gov't held him against his will.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 07 2012,08:16
(Malcolm @ Dec. 07 2012,11:06)
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Bats has dealt with Ra's al Ghul forever. In addition, he's stood toe-to-toe with Darkseid killed him (at least as much as Darkseid "killed" him). Batman dealt a mortal blow to the dude Superman couldn't take down.
Also, as a little known fact, Batman was never weakened to the point where the lowly Canadian gov't held him against his will.
Also, as a little known fact, Batman was never weakened to the point where the lowly Canadian gov't held him against his will.
Wolverine was held against his will in Canada, and there he is in that picture killing Batman.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 07 2012,08:34
That pic was drawn up by a non-DC/non-Marvel artist, I'm betting. I'm unaware of any crossover where Bats and Wolvie fight. I am aware of one where they're fused together into Dark Claw.EDIT: This all seems to be straying from the point of the initial argument that Hawkeye is just there to fill the non-superpowered human affirmative action quota that all superhero teams seems to have. Except he's not got the resources or psychosis that is the trademark of Batman. Iron Man is just a dude, but he's got a supersuit. Then again, he's easily taken out by an open bottle of liquor.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 07 2012,09:55
(Malcolm @ Dec. 07 2012,11:34)
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That pic was drawn up by a non-DC/non-Marvel artist, I'm betting. I'm unaware of any crossover where Bats and Wolvie fight. I am aware of one where they're fused together into Dark Claw.
EDIT: This all seems to be straying from the point of the initial argument that Hawkeye is just there to fill the non-superpowered human affirmative action quota that all superhero teams seems to have. Except he's not got the resources or psychosis that is the trademark of Batman. Iron Man is just a dude, but he's got a supersuit. Then again, he's easily taken out by an open bottle of liquor.
EDIT: This all seems to be straying from the point of the initial argument that Hawkeye is just there to fill the non-superpowered human affirmative action quota that all superhero teams seems to have. Except he's not got the resources or psychosis that is the trademark of Batman. Iron Man is just a dude, but he's got a supersuit. Then again, he's easily taken out by an open bottle of liquor.
I can't make the argument I want to make, because you haven't seen Avengers yet to illustrate how well Hawkeye made them all look like chumps.
Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 07 2012,10:02
You know what this discussion reminds me of?< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTKTh2MRm-w >
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 07 2012,10:08
No YOU are the one who is a figment of our imagination.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 07 2012,10:32
Where's the dude who used to come in an yell NEEERRRDDSSS
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 07 2012,10:58
Hell yes we're nerds, and this is miles more satisfying than the last 9 months of discussing who would make the better president, the socialist or the guy who isn't as big a socialist.Back to the conversation at hand, if I ever worked in the industry, I'd make it my goal to write a team up between them. I think it needs to happen.
Both are trained on top of trained on top of trained. Both of their lives are filled with tragedy. Both have evil and sadistic arch enemies. Both do things other heroes don't do.
The biggest difference being that one is willing to kill. but it's a huge difference.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 07 2012,11:50
It seems to me that Texans are as wrong about their superheroes as they are about what they call "barbecue."
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 07 2012,16:45
Hey, now, let's not make this ugly.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 07 2012,16:59
You guys re #1 in all other respects, though. As you say, "Texas is America's America."You just have incorrect notions about barbecue and superheroes.
But besides that you guys are the bee's knees.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 08 2012,10:43
Wikipedia actually has a pretty decent write-up about why < Central Texas > barbeque is the best. It really comes down to quality of the meat and solid cooking methods. That's why we don't need sauces to cover up the taste like y'all do.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 23 2013,10:55
< MAJOR SPOILER if you've never seen The Avengers. >The important bit from that article is who is staring in S.H.I.E.L.D. and when it occurs chronologically in the Marvel movie universe.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 23 2013,11:27
Major spoiler even if you HAVE seen the movie, heh. But it isn't like they can advertise that the actor is in the next movie and not have it be a spoiler.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 23 2013,12:11
Nah, I don't think it's a spoiler if you've seen it. Didn't I already make the argument that...Spoilers coming, so look away, but really, if you're reading this thread why haven't you fucking seen it yet? At this point you deserve to have it spoiled for you. (People that have been in jail, war, comas, or outer space are exempt from that statement.)
They never actually showed him die, and the only confirmation was via a handheld radio from a prelim team. they never again say anything about him being dead. At least, nobody from S.H.I.E.L.D. did...
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 23 2013,12:14
Yeah, I've seen lots of speculation that Fury was lying.
Posted by Paul on Dec. 11 2013,14:18
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 13 2013,11:34
< War Machine will be in The Avengers. >
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 25 2014,13:59
What happened to the shawarma place, anyway?< http://www.nerdist.com/vepisod....vengers >
Posted by thibodeaux on Jun. 25 2014,14:09
weak
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 25 2014,14:10
Yeah you say that until Stark Shawarma shows up in the next movie.