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Topic: scientist says DEA full of shit
started by: Malcolm

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 08 2013,10:44
< From here >.
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I mistakenly believed the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a schedule 1 substance because of sound scientific proof. Surely, they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have "no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse."

But remember, the gov't is here to help you.  Trust them.

Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 08 2013,12:23
I wouldn't call Sanjay Gupta a scientist.  A dickwad who would do anything to be in front of a camera, yes...
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 08 2013,12:33
He understands more about science than the average idiot out there.  

But not by much.

Posted by GORDON on Aug. 08 2013,12:43
The average idiot out there still thinks a monkey turned into a human one day even if they DO claim to "believe in evolution."

It's like the world is a war between idiots.

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 08 2013,12:48

(TheCatt @ Aug. 08 2013,14:23)
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I wouldn't call Sanjay Gupta a scientist.  A dickwad who would do anything to be in front of a camera, yes...

I'm sure "associate chief of neurosurgery" is just a meaningless title.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 12 2013,10:33
Science itself is now supporting Dr. Gupta.

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Schedule I substances are those that have the following findings:

       The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
       The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
       There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.


< Schedule I drug proves itself useful in medical treatment in United States >.

Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 12 2013,11:21

(Malcolm @ Aug. 08 2013,15:48)
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(TheCatt @ Aug. 08 2013,14:23)
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I wouldn't call Sanjay Gupta a scientist.  A dickwad who would do anything to be in front of a camera, yes...

I'm sure "associate chief of neurosurgery" is just a meaningless title.

"Associate"

He's the actual head of "Doing anything to be on TV"

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 11 2015,12:43
< Federal judge > hears case.
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The defendant’s lawyers won the right to challenge the government’s treatment of marijuana as a controlled substance, as dangerous as heroin. They’re making their final pitch Wednesday for a federal judge to declare the government’s position unconstitutional in light of evidence of pot’s medical uses and steps the U.S. has taken to recognize legalization efforts in several states.

Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 11 2015,14:27
Unconstitutional?  Preposterous, the constitution has nothing to do with it.  In violation of federal law?  Absolutely, the law specifically outlines what a drug has to be like to be classified as schedule one and clearly it does not meet that definition.  

But all because it's in violation of federal law doesn't mean it's "unconstitutional".  Let's not be sloppy here.



Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 11 2015,17:34

(TPRJones @ Feb. 11 2015,16:27)
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Unconstitutional?  Preposterous, the constitution has nothing to do with it.  In violation of federal law?  Absolutely, the law specifically outlines what a drug has to be like to be classified as schedule one and clearly it does not meet that definition.  

But all because it's in violation of federal law doesn't mean it's "unconstitutional".  Let's not be sloppy here.

Depends how one interprets the 10th.
Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 12 2015,06:36
Oh, well of course, but no one in public service or the media pays any attention to that.  The majority of the federal government is in violation of the 10th.


Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 08 2015,12:23
< Another scientist > says the DEA is full of shit for a different reason.
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The population study, which was published in the Journal of Pharmacology, looked at data of 135,095 random subjects which include 19,299 users of psychedelic drugs such as LSDs and psilocybin mushrooms. The authors of the study, Teri Krebs and Pål-Ørjan Johansen, found no existing evidence to connect the use of psychedelic drugs and mental conditions such as depression, psychological distress, and suicide intentions.


I'll repeat myself:

Psychedelics have way fewer side effects than your average anti-depressant or anti-anxiety pills.  Oddly enough, the former is illegal and the latter isn't and is also handed out like goddamn Pez.



Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 24 2015,10:32
< Docs point out lack > of studies supporting bud's medicinal value.  I wonder if it had anything to do with the massive downturn in research funding that occurred sometime in the last 70 years.  Because when you're demonizing something, nothing helps your case like pure ignorance.


Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2015,10:33
< X and autism >.
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Drawing on these psychological responses, researchers are planning their first study using MDMA for the treatment of social anxiety.

I am completely dumbfounded as to why Ecstasy, which has real, demonstrable clinical uses for this type of thing is illegal while something like Zoloft isn't.  Zoloft has far worse collateral damage.

< Side effects > of X

Here's the < same list > for Zoloft, only it's about triple the length.



Posted by Malcolm on May 28 2015,12:26
< Shrooms and LSD as well >.
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He points out that psychedelics remain more legally restricted than heroin and cocaine.

“But no evidence indicates that psychedelic drugs are habit forming, little evidence indicates that they are harmful in controlled settings and much historical evidence shows that they could have use in common psychiatric disorders,” he wrote.

In fact, recent studies indicate that psychedelics have “clinical efficacy in anxiety associated with advanced cancer, obsessive compulsive disorder, tobacco and alcohol addiction, and cluster headaches”, he said.

But fuck those chems, we have Prozac to push.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 02 2015,10:41
< Side effects > may include homicidal rampages.  Still safer than bud and hallucinogens, according to the FDA.


Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 12 2015,12:24
< Safe as riding a bike >.
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“Psychedelics often produce profound experiences while at the same time having a safety risk profile comparable to many activities of daily life, such as riding a bike or playing soccer.”


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However, a spokesperson for Public Health England told Newsweek it was unethical to treat addiction to illegal substances with other illegal substances, adding such a program would not have support in the UK.

FUCK YOU.  That's the stupidest fucking circular argument I've ever heard.  You're making it illegal because of your insane laws passed to comply with the equally insane conventions passed by the UN in the '60s and '70s.



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 16 2015,10:24
< Study > shows legalizing bud doesn't cause a significant upswing in teen use.
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While marijuana use among teens was higher in states that went on to allow medical marijuana, rates of teen use in those states did not rise further after the states legalized medical marijuana, the study found.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 25 2015,12:12
< Study shows > that "teaching" kids about drugs using nothing but scare tactics and rampant conspiracy theory-laden paranoia has drawbacks.

Here's one insane researcher's take on the results:
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“Perhaps if we are so good about communicating risks of cigarettes but we don’t communicate about e-cigarettes, it sends a message that they are safe,” said lead author Maria L. Roditis of the Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education at the University of California, San Francisco.


Here's one that doesn't presume you have less self-control than Gerard Depardieu at an all-you-can-eat buffet:
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“It’s a really important paper because it really shows that the level of ignorance that kids have about these products is leading to a lot of use,” said Stanton A. Glantz, director of the Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education at UCSF.


Don't worry, he dips right back into the well of stupidity after that brief gasp of logic.
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Marijuana smoke actually has worse effects on vascular function than cigarette smoke in animal studies, and smoking pot, like e-cigarettes, is often a gateway for young people to start smoking cigarettes, he said.

Incredible how elastic the bullshit of the "gateway drug" faith is.  Because I had it drilled into my skull that tobacco and alcohol use led to the illegal shit, not the other way around.



Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 25 2015,13:10
The problem with using scare-tactics as so-called "drug education" is that kids can smell it when adults are shoveling uncut horse shit at them and they know it's all a bunch of lies and propaganda.  They don't know much about what the truth is instead, but they sure know the scare tactics are all bullshit and so they tend to not just ignore it but to do so with prejudice, which leads such education causing increases in use over no education at all.

The same goes for abstinence-only sex education.  The single largest indicator that a state is about to see a massive rise in abortion rates is when they pass abstinence-only sex ed laws.  The so-called pro-life movement has caused far far more abortions than they've prevented.



Posted by Troy on Jun. 25 2015,17:14

(TPRJones @ Jun. 25 2015,16:10)
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The same goes for abstinence-only sex education.  The single largest indicator that a state is about to see a massive rise in abortion rates is when they pass abstinence-only sex ed laws.  The so-called pro-life movement has caused far far more abortions than they've prevented.

Prophetic, TPR.

Bristol Plain, spokesperson for abstinence only education, < is pregnant again >.

lmao



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 25 2015,17:24
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Marijuana smoke actually has worse effects on vascular function than cigarette smoke in animal studies, and smoking pot, like e-cigarettes, is often a gateway for young people to start smoking cigarettes, he said.

In fact, hold the fuck on.  Of all the people I know that smoke bud, the majority don't smoke cigarettes.  That includes me.

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Bristol Palin revealed she's pregnant with her second child, writing in a blog post, "I know this has been, and will be, a huge disappointment to my family"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

/marcy d'arcy



Posted by Troy on Jun. 25 2015,17:27
"When mommy found out she was pregnant with you, the first thing she did was go online and post that you were a 'disappointment'"

good luck kiddo



Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 16 2015,10:26
< Colorado bureaucrats fuck over vets >.
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The state Board of Health voted 6-2 Wednesday against adding PTSD to the list of ailments eligible for treatment with medical marijuana. It came despite a recommendation from Colorado's chief medical officer and a panel of physicians.

Board members cited a lack of research, including medical trials.

"We have an absence of scientific information," board member Rick Brown said.

Marijuana is illegal under federal law, and some scientists say research has been stymied by government hurdles, including a declaration that marijuana is a controlled substance with no accepted medical use.

Assholes.

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One physician recently awarded a state grant to study marijuana use by veterans testified that PTSD sufferers are already using pot to treat their symptoms.

Yeah, but fuck those veterans.  We have old, shitty, anti-Mexican and anti-black laws to uphold from the '20s and can't be bothered trying to practice medicine.



Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 17 2015,10:35
< Bud has potential to help > mend bones.
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The researchers, lead by Dr Gabet, injected one group of rats with CBD alone and another group with both CBD and THC. They found CBD alone provided the necessary therapy.

Come the fuck on, that's not even the part that gets you high.  How is this not medicinal?

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 11 2015,10:35
< Legalized bud > does NOT contribute to an increase in teen use.  Choke on it, DEA ass-wipes.
Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 11 2015,10:44
But Malcolm, even though use hasn't risen, legalization has lead to massive amounts of wrongthink!

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However, while marijuana use may not have surged, there has been a relatively sharp decline in the number of youngsters who think regular cannabis use is harmful.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 11 2015,10:57

(TPRJones @ Sep. 11 2015,12:44)
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But Malcolm, even though use hasn't risen, legalization has lead to massive amounts of wrongthink!

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However, while marijuana use may not have surged, there has been a relatively sharp decline in the number of youngsters who think regular cannabis use is harmful.

Those fuckers.  They should be getting wasted on legal drugs and getting cirrhosis like the rest of us.  They obviously must be thrown in jail and subjected to < reeducation >.



Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 14 2015,10:43
< Scientists discover the munchies >.
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Previous studies on marijuana use have showed conflicting results, with some suggesting marijuana can reduce the risk of diabetes, despite others showing that the drug is associated with an increased calorie consumption.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 17 2015,10:41
< Antidepressant declared worthless > for adolescents.  This shit is way safer than psilocybin, MDMA, and other hallucinogens.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 18 2015,10:49

(Malcolm @ Sep. 17 2015,12:41)
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< Antidepressant declared worthless > for adolescents.  This shit is way safer than psilocybin, MDMA, and other hallucinogens.

< Company blatantly ignored > study info back in the day.
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Taking a closer look at the original study’s data, made public from a 2004 court settlement, the new study’s authors found the original had mislabeled critical side effects like suicidal behavior as “emotional lability,” allowing the drug to slide through safety standards even though some of its test subjects had contemplated killing themselves. Further warping the study’s results, according to the new report, were one of the authors’ “undisclosed financial conflicts of interest” and the fact that the final draft was written by a medical ghostwriter.

I trust drug companies less than street dealers.



Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 18 2015,12:12
In fairness to drug companies, they aren't actually worse than street dealers.  They're typically right on the same moral level.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 18 2015,12:15

(TPRJones @ Sep. 18 2015,14:12)
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In fairness to drug companies, they aren't actually worse than street dealers.  They're typically right on the same moral level.

The drug companies have the finances to push their insane morality on the populous.  "Fuck your safety, there's profit to be made."
Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 18 2015,12:18
Oh, sure, the drug companies can be a lot more dangerous.  But that motto applies pretty equally to both groups.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 18 2015,12:57
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In 2002 alone, over 2 million prescriptions were written for children and teens...

No pusher has a clientele of 2M individual sales every year unless you're talking cartel gods.  They aren't funding studies to say their shit is safe.
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Count this as shocking but unsurprising, for GSK has been admonished and fined many times since 2001, including once for $3 billion, for exaggerating Paxil’s safety and marketing it improperly for use in adolescents.
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As Carey notes in his Times story, thousands of children, teens, and young adults attempted or committed suicide while on Paxil—but it’s impossible to know how many, if any, did so because of Paxil.

The Medellin dudes just need to incorporate so they're less penalized for all the people they kill with their ODs.



Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 21 2015,10:25
< Head of DEA > is demonstrably stupider than the people he unnecessarily jails.
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Herbal cannabis is not medicinal and should not be classified as such, according to public statements made recently by US Drug Enforcement Administration Director Chuck Rosenberg.

Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, Rosenberg acknowledged that constituents in the plant possess “great promise” as potential therapies. But he dismissed the notion of the plant itself as medicinal. “That is a joke,” he said.

You'll notice they're not calling him Dr. Chuck Rosenberg.  Hilariously, the FDA disagrees with him, as does anyone with an IQ north of a single digit.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 08 2015,11:08
< Extract > shows some hope for treating epilepsy in kids.  Is it a panacea?  Hell, no.  But it's got significant enough effects that you can't have a single IQ point and call it a Schedule I substance.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 22 2015,13:27
< A black box THC > "breathalyzer."
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Lynn wouldn’t discuss the actual chemistry, saying that it was “proprietary.”

Seems legit ... except for:

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“Typically, if you have five nanograms in a regular smoker, you probably won't see any behavioral effects,” said Carl Hart, a professor of psychology and psychiatry at Columbia University. “Whereas, with five nanograms in someone who’s never smoked, you might see a lot of effects.”

So there's tolerance.

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With breath, Lynn explains, the THC signal only sticks around for a few hours. Some studies have found that THC stays on a person’s breath for as long as four hours. The company doesn’t yet know if the breathalyzer can detect if someone ate a marijuana product recently.

Wow, then there's the window of time here which is 75% well after the effects of any combustible THC you'll find.  If you take a hit and feel much an hour later, goddamn, you found some nice product.

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Hart expressed skepticism about the idea behind the technique, calling it a “dumb idea.” “The chemistry of alcohol is such that there is essentially no blood-brain barrier for alcohol … so what is in your lungs or blood is the same amount, typically, as what’s in your brain,” he said. “With marijuana or any other drug, we can’t do that. We have no idea what's in the brain based on some measure in your mouth or in your lungs.” He said the THC doesn't transport itself along the blood-brain barrier like alcohol, so what’s in the breath probably doesn't represent what’s in the brain.

Then there's that pesky chemistry.

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The company doesn’t yet know if the breathalyzer can detect if someone ate a marijuana product recently.

Allow me to answer.  No fucking way.  Not without sampling their stomach contents or taking blood.

This all sounds like something which is well worth pursuing, unlike the massive upswing in prescription opioid ODs in the last decade.

In other news, Columbia says < fuck the US > government's drug policy.
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Colombia has long been identified with U.S.-backed policies to eradicate narcotics production and a sharp decline in levels of violence over the past 15 years is largely attributed to the no-tolerance policing.

Proponents of the new approach say as many as 400,000 Colombians suffering from epilepsy and other ailments could benefit from the clearer regulatory framework.

Suck a dick, DEA, and fuck your Schedule I.



Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 11 2016,12:55
< Schedule I > drug has potential to treat psychiatric disorders.
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A research team led by scientists at Imperial College London said that while normally the brain works on independent networks performing separate functions such as vision, movement and hearing, under LSD the separateness of these networks breaks down, leading to a more unified system.

But who the fuck believes the Imperial College?

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