Topic: Question...
started by: GORDON
Posted by Guest on Jun. 24 2004,16:31
Can Lucas water down and get insipid results from < Gary Oldman, > too?
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 24 2004,17:18
Needs more Walken.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jun. 24 2004,20:06
Wasn't there an SNL skit where Walken auditions to play Han Solo?
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 24 2004,20:13
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| Wasn't there an SNL skit where Walken auditions to play Han Solo? |
It was Kevin Spacey as Walken auditioning for the Han Solo role.
Posted by Steve Dave on Jun. 24 2004,22:39
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| Can Lucas water down and get insipid results from < Gary Oldman, > too? |
Hopefully he will get a gem of a performance out of Oldman like he did from Hamill, Fisher, and Ford.
Posted by Guest on Jun. 24 2004,22:41
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Hopefully he will get a gem of a performance out of Oldman like he did from Hamill, Fisher, and Ford. |
Carrie Fischer, when she wasn't stoned, recalls Lucas's directing consisted of three words: "Faster. More intense."
Posted by Steve Dave on Jun. 24 2004,22:45
He is a super deformed animated pic of him if anyone wants to see. Couldn't find a decent non magazine cover of him.
Posted by mbilderback on Jun. 25 2004,10:49
Still up in the air as if that website was kidding..... 
Posted by thibodeaux on Jun. 25 2004,13:22
| Quote (Leisher @ June 24 2004,20:13) | ||
It was Kevin Spacey as Walken auditioning for the Han Solo role. |
Even better.
Posted by Paul on Jun. 25 2004,14:29
| Quote (Steve Dave @ June 24 2004,22:45) |
| He is a super deformed animated pic of him if anyone wants to see. Couldn't find a decent non magazine cover of him. |
< Here's one of those magazine covers. >
Posted by Guest on Jun. 25 2004,14:38
So basically, it'll be Oldman's voice, and a Jar Jaresque cgi body.Yes, it indeed looks like Lucas will get an insipid performance from Oldman.
Posted by Steve Dave on Jun. 25 2004,18:06
| Quote (GORDON @ June 25 2004,14:38) |
| So basically, it'll be Oldman's voice, and a Jar Jaresque cgi body. Yes, it indeed looks like Lucas will get an insipid performance from Oldman. |
Yeah bring back the average acting of humans from IV,V, and VI. Because as we all know it was the shakspearian performances that made Star Wars cool.
Posted by Guest on Jun. 25 2004,23:23
| Quote (Steve Dave @ June 25 2004,21:06) | ||
Yeah bring back the average acting of humans from IV,V, and VI. Because as we all know it was the shakspearian performances that made Star Wars cool. |
Saying the old actors suck doesn't disprove that Lucas can inspire suck from Oldman.
Posted by Steve Dave on Jun. 26 2004,09:14
Not trying to disprove just pointing out that it doesn't matter. I think you are scraping the bottom of the barrel when you start talking about the acting being weak in a Star Wars film. The acting in any of them at it best has been serviceable. So if the acting in the old ones is no better then the new then what is the issue.Since when has Star Wars been about the acting? It was/is popular because of part lightsabers, part aliens, and part spaceship/vehicles.
So unless you are just subscribing to the teen angst everything popular sucks theory then what is the issue about the so-so acting?
Posted by Guest on Jun. 26 2004,09:21
| Quote (Steve Dave @ June 26 2004,12:14) |
| So unless you are just subscribing to the teen angst everything popular sucks theory then what is the issue about the so-so acting? |
Oh fucking please.
I think you are the only person in the fucking universe defending these fucking movies.
Posted by Steve Dave on Jun. 26 2004,09:33
Why all of a sudden can't you look past the acting? Why is bad acting in the first trilogy acceptable but not in the second? There are lots of problems with the new films but to get upset about the acting? It is now cool for in the sci-fi nerd community to dump on Lucas and I just think that the acting complaint is pretty weak.
Posted by Guest on Jun. 26 2004,09:47
All of a sudden? People hated Annikin's acting in both movies. People hated Jar Jar's character so much that an entire edit of the film was made to remove him. People are upset that bad motherfucker Sam Jackson will put you to sleep if you aren't careful. There is no "all of a sudden."No, Lucas is going to take the man who gave us Jean Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg, Dr. Smith, the hijacker guy from Air Force One, and of course Sirius Black hide him under cgi, and you expect me to be cool with it. I might as well watch Finding Nemo at this point.
Han Solo was a badass motherfucker. Grand Moff Tarkin was a rigid scary nazi. Darth Vader would kill a man just for snoring. Luke was a whiny farmboy who turned into a religious zealot.
Teenage Annikin is so full of "teen angst" you want to cut off his allowance and send him to his room. His love scenes make you want to claw your eyes out. Jar Jar inspires murderous rage in the people who were old enough to see the films in the theater the first time. It's our worse nightmare that Lucas will edit Jar Jar into Episode 4. So far we've seen one emotion out of Amidala, and ditto Sam Jackson.
I bet if you email George Lucas and fawn over his directing/writing skills, you'll get an all expense paid trip out to Skywalker Ranch, and probably a part in his next movie. BECAUSE NOBODY WHO WASN'T ON HIS PAYROLL HAS EVER SAID THESE PREQUELS DON'T SUCK. You'll be the first. But keep arguing it. Maybe you'll change everyone's minds.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 26 2004,10:00
I think his point is, the ACTING didn't 'all of the sudden suck'. The acting in 4, 5 and 6 sucked too. Luke was whiney, and it was poorly acted. etc. I remember people HATED Yoda. dizzamn muppet in Star Wars. People grew to like and even love him. And those Ewoks. Uhg. But what chick don't dig the Ewoks? I think the same thing didn't happen with Jar Jar because the movies came out closer to each other and we didn't have time to get over it. . .But just with the acting part. . . that was not all of the sudden, or introduced with 1 and 2.
Stories going down the tube? Perhaps. But one could argue that even that wasn't all of the sudden as it started with 6. But we all still like 6, because it's Star Wars.
My take on what SD is say is "If you disect the movies. Yes, they should suck. But, everyone still likes them, so it's pointless to point out flaws. And if you DIDN'T like 1 and/or 2, it's hard to use 'acting' as the reason as the 'acting' sucked in 4, 5 and 6. And the story started getting cheesy with 6." So, it's a bit hypocritical to say that 1 and 2 sucked for qualities that 4, 5 and 6 were riddled with as well.
At least that's what I'm reading.
Posted by Guest on Jun. 26 2004,10:02
No, I'm reading that I implied it would be a shame to water down Gary Oldman's performance, because he is a great actor. Then Star Wars Prequel Defender Man started an argument about it.
Posted by Steve Dave on Jun. 26 2004,10:05
I can come up with a list of things that need to be changed in everyone of the films except for New Hope. I didn't think we were talking about that.I just don't see why average acting in the original triology isn't an issue for you but it is a unforgivable sin the new one. Why is a whiney Anakin worse then a Whiney Luke, neither are stand out acting preformances so why is it an issue. Other then the fact that you don't like the direction it the new ones went in.
Posted by Steve Dave on Jun. 26 2004,10:07
| Quote (GORDON @ June 26 2004,10:02) |
| No, I'm reading that I implied it would be a shame to water down Gary Oldman's performance, because he is a great actor. Then Star Wars Prequel Defender Man started an argument about it. |
And I am asking Everything that is Popular Sucks Man "So What?" If the only issue anyone is going to have with the new movie is a water downed performance then we are all going to be very happy.
Posted by Guest on Jun. 26 2004,10:08
| Quote (Steve Dave @ June 26 2004,13:05) |
| I can come up with a list of things that need to be changed in everyone of the films except for New Hope. I didn't think we were talking about that. I just don't see why average acting in the original triology isn't an issue for you but it is a unforgivable sin the new one. Why is a whiney Anakin worse then a Whiney Luke, neither are stand out acting preformances so why is it an issue. Other then the fact that you don't like the direction it the new ones went in. |
You need to reread.
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| Can Lucas water down and get insipid results from < Gary Oldman, > too? |
I didn't say
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| Can Lucas water down and get insipid results from < Gary Oldman, > too, unlike the original movies where the acting was awesome? |
No, I don't think I did.
I also didn't say ...
aww hell with it. I'm tired of arguing over this stupid subject, your name calling notwhithstandng.
Posted by Guest on Jun. 26 2004,10:10
| Quote (Steve Dave @ June 26 2004,13:07) | ||
And I am asking Everything that is Popular Sucks Man "So What?" If the only issue anyone is going to have with the new movie is a water downed performance then we are all going to be very happy. |
What the fuck are you talking about. Stop being stupid. Because I dislike the prequels doesn't mean "everything popular sucks." You aren't normally a moron, but you're being one today.
Posted by Guest on Jun. 26 2004,10:10
Closed on account of stupidity
Posted by Guest on Jun. 26 2004,10:30
I don't appreciate the name calling, but I'm reopening this thread in spite of how stupid it became.He's defending against points I never made, but it really doesn't matter.
It was the name calling that pissed me off.
Posted by Steve Dave on Jun. 26 2004,10:56
| Quote (GORDON @ June 26 2004,10:10) |
| Stop being stupid. You aren't normally a moron, but you're being one today. I don't appreciate the name calling |
That makes two of us.
Posted by Steve Dave on Jun. 26 2004,11:11
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| Can Lucas water down and get insipid results from Gary Oldman, too? |
So what are you trying to say here? That the acting and writting in all the previous films was oscar worthy and now you are just worried?
Why is the acting an issue? It wasn't an issue for in the originals so why now?
There are any number of things to bitch about in the prequals and when you choose the acting your just looking for something to cry about because Lucas isn't doing things the way you want.
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 26 2004,11:28
Say, have I ever mentioned my theory about Ewoks?
Posted by Vince on Jun. 28 2004,07:27
Aside from Empire Strikes Back, they've all been pretty lame. But they are what they are, and what they do they do well.
Posted by mbilderback on Jun. 28 2004,11:08
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| Say, have I ever mentioned my theory about Ewoks? |
Bad TPR! No doughnut!
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 28 2004,12:32
Hmmm, I guess I did, then. Only full knowledge of my twisted little theory could inspire such disdain. 
Posted by Paul on Jun. 28 2004,13:33
Hey, I haven't heard the Ewok theory. What's your Ewok theory?
Posted by Guest on Jun. 28 2004,13:37
I personally hold with the theory that Endor was wiped out soon after the events of Episode VI.< The Endor Holocaust. >
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 28 2004,13:45
I quite like that one, GORDON.| Quote (Paul @ June 28 2004,13:33) |
| Hey, I haven't heard the Ewok theory. What's your Ewok theory? |
Well, since you asked...
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An Exercise in Xenophysiology Resolved: The sexual organs of Ewoks are on the upper rear portion of their heads. Evidence: Minimal and spurious, but somehow disturbingly compelling. Consider… The first item of clothing invented by most human aboriginal cultures is the loincloth; specifically designed to cover the genitals. A few Ewoks wear thin bands of hide from which to hang tools, but the only clothing items worn by Ewoks that provides coverage are their hats. These hats are worn almost universally, the only exceptions being small Ewok children who tend to run around naked as is also common in human aboriginal tribes at the loincloth level of cultural attire. Although Ewoks are not human other parallels between their culture and human aboriginal cultures provide some minimal of feasibility to this evidence. Further evidence is provided in the scene from Return of the Jedi in which Princess Leia removes her helmet arousing surprise and suspicion in the Ewok that witnesses this event. One would almost assume that the Ewok had never seen a hat before, yet clearly it is familiar with the concept as there is one perched firmly against it’s skull at the time. I contend that rather than being surprised it was instead terrified. Here was some alien creature – exceptionally tall and with most of it’s fur missing – and one of the first things it does is suddenly expose it’s genitals. The Ewok’s terror passes quickly as it realizes that this strange alien does not in fact have genitalia in the proper location, which is perhaps why the Ewok then proceeds to check the helmet thoroughly to see if perhaps they had fallen off. Discuss. PS: It does give interesting new meaning to the adolescent Ewok that Han Solo was rubbing rather intimately during C3PO’s storytelling, and thus explains just why that Ewok was enjoying this action so much. Why the adults present didn’t stop this activity I do not know … perhaps Ewoks practice rishathra? |
Posted by Guest on Jun. 28 2004,13:48
Hehehe ewww hehehe.
Posted by Paul on Jun. 28 2004,13:55
My feeling on Star Wars.When Star Wars came out, there was nothing like it. Space movies took place in the future, where eveything was clean. Star Was took place in the past, ships and buildings were dirty and broken.
The acting wasn't great, but the groundbreaking concept made for an incredible movie. Sci-fi fanboys drooled over the first three movies.
Lucas has children now. I feel that the last two films (Episodes 1 & 2), were written for his kids, rather than for the sci-fi fanboys.
Lucas is going to have an incredibly tough time appeasing people with this final film. Everyone already knows how the film must end, so the plot is really limited. People who saw the first three movies through the eyes of a child are seeing the new movies through the eyes of adults, so he's able to get away with less. Kids nowdays will laugh at people in rubber costumes, but adults nowdays see the CGI as flash over substance. Pretty much, no matter what he does he's going to be bashed.
Posted by Paul on Jun. 28 2004,13:58
Great theory, TPRJones!
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 28 2004,14:00
I'm expecting a Star Wars Pokemon crossover, with a push to sells little plastic Yodas holding pokeballs.However, why do you say the ending is locked? Considering what else he did in I & II, I can see him redoing the plot and not having it mesh up with IV, if he wants to.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 28 2004,17:29
The acting may've sucked in IV - VI, but they had other strong, enjoyable things about them such that one could overlook the less than stellar acting from everyone except Alec Guinness & James Earl Jones.I & II have not only had at least as bad if not infinitely worse acting than IV - VI, but they don't have nearly as many other redeeming qualities such that one can look past the exceptonally crappy performances of dizzamn near everyone except Ewan McGregor. Can you seriously picture Episode IV where Obi-Wan tells Luke, "There are these tiny, little critters that live in your body and if you listen really closely..." or could you picture Chewy going, "Mee-sah so sorry, Han."
Posted by Paul on Jun. 29 2004,05:38
Good points, Malcolm.I mean, smurftastic points, Malcolm!