Topic: There's Something About Spoilers
started by: Leisher
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 29 2014,07:38
Gordon raises a good question: When is it ok to start discussing spoilers?I think a few years back it would have been correct to assume it's ok to discuss a show a couple of years after the final episode, but is that still the case today?
However, we're now in the age of DVR, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, VOD, etc. and people aren't watching shows "live" anymore.
Many people have started watching shows in spurts AFTER they've ended. The examples are countless, so we don't need to go into it, but how do we avoid things here?
I think the easiest solution is something Cake said: Avoid any threads related to a show you haven't watched, but plan to.
However, what if there are things you want to discuss with folks who haven't watched the show? Maybe you want to give a review or plug the show.
So I think it'd be a good idea to go forward by labeling threads you want anyone to be able to read as "Nameofshow *No Spoilers*".
Still keeping the *Spoilers Warning* tag as well of course.
The key here, and a few of you really need to pay attention to this: If it's a "No Spoilers" thread, you can't post fucking spoilers in it. Want an example of people trying to ruin a show for others? Go read the GoT "no spoilers" thread. It's nothing but spoilers...
That all being said, Rosebud is his sled and Bruce Willis is a ghost.
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 29 2014,07:39
(Leisher @ Aug. 29 2014,10:38)
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That all being said, Rosebud is his sled
God. Damn. You.
I still haven't seen that movie.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 29 2014,07:45
Fuck. I'm not even going to tell you what soylent green is.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 29 2014,07:47
(TheCatt @ Aug. 29 2014,10:39)
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(Leisher @ Aug. 29 2014,10:38)
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That all being said, Rosebud is his sled
God. Damn. You.
I still haven't seen that movie.
You should be thanking me.
It's overrated.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 29 2014,07:52
And that's my point. Damn near every 'no spoilers' thread has straight up spoilers in it. Some 'no spoilers' threads have more subtle spoilers "What's his name didn't renew his contract for season 3 of Walking Dead. So, we know what that must mean.". Or "In the comic, this happens." "In the book, that happens." "On this other message board, the theory is 'this'" Where, of course, 'this' theory was proposed by someone who read the damn books, so know, but are trying to play like they DIDN'T know so later people will say "Daaaaammmmn. Check out the big brain on Fucktard." Spoilers everywhere. Even after making strict "NO FUCKING SPOILERS IN NO SPOILERS" threads, I won't read them. Because someone will fucking post one. And ya, it does suck, because I would love to be able to talk about some shows that everyone is watching while things are still relevant and cool.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 29 2014,07:53
< Really >?
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 29 2014,07:58
(Cakedaddy @ Aug. 29 2014,10:52)
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And that's my point. Damn near every 'no spoilers' thread has straight up spoilers in it. Some 'no spoilers' threads have more subtle spoilers "What's his name didn't renew his contract for season 3 of Walking Dead. So, we know what that must mean.". Or "In the comic, this happens." "In the book, that happens." "On this other message board, the theory is 'this'" Where, of course, 'this' theory was proposed by someone who read the damn books, so know, but are trying to play like they DIDN'T know so later people will say "Daaaaammmmn. Check out the big brain on Fucktard." Spoilers everywhere. Even after making strict "NO FUCKING SPOILERS IN NO SPOILERS" threads, I won't read them. Because someone will fucking post one. And ya, it does suck, because I would love to be able to talk about some shows that everyone is watching while things are still relevant and cool.
That's why with GOT I do what I do.... "acquire" the episodes as they air so I can be involved in the conversations when they are relevant. If you wait for the blu ray, you gonna get spoilered.
Dexter is an exception to what I usually do, which is what Cake mentioned... I typically don't read a thread at all unless I am caught up. I honestly thought everyone had watched the series, though, as everyone seemed to be in on the old conversations as I went back and read them years after they were started. My bad.
I don't recall any spoilers in the non-spoiler GOT thread that Leisher has mentioned twice. Examples?
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 29 2014,08:19
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Really?
Fuck that study in its ass.
How about personal fucking preference? I can think of a dozen iconic twists that would have sucked to know going into the movie.
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I don't recall any spoilers in the non-spoiler GOT thread that Leisher has mentioned twice. Examples?
Without going back and exposing myself to more spoilers, I'd say that a large image posted showing people in Season 1 versus how they look in Season 4 is a massive spoiler. You know, because it's a show where "everybody dies". It's was quite boring watching assassination attempts on someone in Season 1 knowing they're alive in Season 4.
Really boosting the excitement in the scenes...seriously, fuck that study. Stupidest conclusion I've ever seen. Of course, people seem to enjoy the story more because you've removed all the suspense and they know everything is going to be ok. However, you've removed the journey for them. You've taken away the emotional roller coaster of the story. And how do you effectively and scientifically determine that Person X enjoyed a story more because he knew what was coming versus Person X experiencing it without spoilers?
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 29 2014,08:36
Well.I don't know how you can avoid that sort of thing... at any time you can read in the paper that actor X was picked up for season X.
Season 4 had some pretty serious "will he or wont he live" moments. I suggest you avoid the internet entirely until you see how that plays out. Seriously. It was fun waiting for that week to see who would die. Close the browser.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 29 2014,09:10
My job keeps me on computers all day. My hobby keeps them on it at night. Yet somehow the only place I've had GoT spoiled is here in the no spoilers thread.
Ok, TNT did run ads for that new Sean Bean show, and while I don't know that he dies, I've assumed he's going to die since the show began. And honestly, nobody in the show deserves it more than he does.
Posted by Troy on Aug. 29 2014,09:26
One day we'll live in a world where we can all plug into The Source and get real time info about everything.Until then, I'm liable to drop spoilers accidentally about almost anything.
Solyent Green is People, Michael Sam is gay
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 29 2014,09:28
I stopped playing the spoiler game back in the day when I used to videotape sporting events. Fucking walk by the wrong newspaper machine at the wrong time or overhear somebody somewhere say something. Unless you want to go through life blind and deaf, info will leak into your brain. If I'm unsure whether or not to waste 90 minutes on a film, I check on the plot summary on wikipedia or imdb. I've avoided some really shitty flicks that way, but I've checked out far more I would have otherwise dismissed.
Posted by Vince on Aug. 31 2014,06:22
The minor spoilers have never bothered me. Something like the 6th Sense ending would have bothered me, but usually they don't. I guess if it's a mystery I'd rather not know.I think that study Malcolm posted is mostly true. If people really hated spoilers as much as they bitch about them, then why have so many books been adapted to movies. And "they made the story better by surprising me by changing it from the book" said no one ever.
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 31 2014,08:02
FRom Reddit:QUOTE
How I avoid finding out who will die next in Game of Thrones
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 31 2014,22:10
It's one thing when a story you love comes to life. It's another when the surprise ending to something original is spoiled.Or, if you never read the Game of Thrones books.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 01 2014,10:38
(Cakedaddy @ Sep. 01 2014,01:10)
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It's one thing when a story you love comes to life. It's another when the surprise ending to something original is spoiled.
Or, if you never read the Game of Thrones books.
Or, if you never read the Game of Thrones books.
I don't get it, needs context.
Posted by Vince on Sep. 01 2014,11:57
I still think in most cases people get more enjoyment out of bitching about spoilers than lose enjoyment from the actual spoilers.
Posted by Vince on Sep. 06 2014,17:30
Occurred to me one time that spoilers were good. The Crying Game.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 06 2014,19:21
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Occurred to me one time that spoilers were good. The Crying Game.
The Sixth Sense.
Which Leisher spoiled for me HELLO.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 06 2014,20:34
(Vince @ Sep. 06 2014,19:30)
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Occurred to me one time that spoilers were good. The Crying Game.
If you couldn't figure that out by halfway through the film, then I don't know what to say.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 07 2014,00:35
This news has been all over the internet the last couple days. Two characters will not be appearing in season 5. This link is at time.com.< Is it a spoiler? >
Posted by Vince on Sep. 07 2014,06:22
(Malcolm @ Sep. 06 2014,22:34)
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(Vince @ Sep. 06 2014,19:30)
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Occurred to me one time that spoilers were good. The Crying Game.
If you couldn't figure that out by halfway through the film, then I don't know what to say.
I never saw it. Because someone thankfully spoiled it for me.
Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 07 2014,06:34
I was spoiled, and saw it. The best part was watching it with friends who weren't spoiled. "Hey, that chick's pretty cute." And then waiting for his reaction face later. 
Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 08 2014,12:31
Once upon a time either you watched a show when it was shown or you just never saw it. Spoilers was not a thing, at least not for TV shows. Now people watch things at all sorts of different times, so who knows.The only way to avoid it would be to have a separate thread for every episode of the series so you could talk about stuff with other people in that thread who were at the same point of watching the show as you. But that's a lot of threads.
A thread per season can work, although it does mean only going to that thread after you've watched that season and no further.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 08 2014,12:34
I don't read the running threads where people talk about the show as it airs... until I am caught up to the latest episode.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 23 2014,11:20
< More research > supports Malcolm.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 23 2014,11:55
They support your view. They don't support all views. Show me the research where the exact same person is able to watch something for the first time...twice...once knowing the spoiler and once not knowing, and saying both experiences were the same or that knowing the spoilers was more enjoyable.
Until you can do that, your position is wrong.
Not everyone's preference is the same. Just because you have one, doesn't mean anyone's who is different is wrong.
There are men and women in this world who don't enjoy receiving oral sex. Does that mean everyone who likes getting it is wrong? Or because they're the minority should we force it upon them because "our side is right"?
Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 23 2014,12:09
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Show me the research where the exact same person is able to watch something for the first time...twice...once knowing the spoiler and once not knowing, and saying both experiences were the same or that knowing the spoilers was more enjoyable.
Until you can do that, your position is wrong.
Until you can do that, your position is wrong.
That's just not how science works. All because you are unable to come up with ways to test something reliably doesn't mean that it's automatically in error. Nor does that failure automatically mean the inverse position is correct.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 23 2014,12:14
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Show me the research where the exact same person is able to watch something for the first time...twice...once knowing the spoiler and once not knowing, and saying both experiences were the same or that knowing the spoilers was more enjoyable.
Until you can do that, your position is wrong.
Until you can do that, your position is wrong.
That's just not how science works. All because you are unable to come up with ways to test something reliably doesn't mean that it's automatically in error. Nor does that failure automatically mean the inverse position is correct.
So show me where science proves that because John enjoys something one way, so will Tom.
Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 23 2014,13:14
Science has nothing to do with that. But it can have to do with something like "we have found that 78% of our large randomly-chosen sample of people enjoy things in the way described in the case of John, while the other 22% enjoy things in the way described in the case of Tom."Nothing is true of everyone. But many things are true of most people.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 23 2014,13:51
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Nothing is true of everyone.
That's all I'm saying.
Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 24 2014,08:31
But the second part is just as important. It's the basis for all of the social sciences as well as most of modern medicine.It seems like you are saying that if someone comes up with something that is reliably true about 76% of people, it's still completely useless because of that other 24%.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 24 2014,11:06
To be fair, you're talking about medicine, and I'm talking about people's personal preference and opinions. My stance was spoilers ruin things for people. The counter stance was "we" enjoy things more if they're spoiled.
So science can go suck a cock. I don't give a shit if 98% of the people don't care if they have something spoiled ahead of time. I do and it's very clear I'm not the only one here that feels this way.
Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 24 2014,11:28
(Leisher @ Sep. 24 2014,14:06)
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To be fair, you're talking about medicine, and I'm talking about people's personal preference and opinions.
My stance was spoilers ruin things for people. The counter stance was "we" enjoy things more if they're spoiled.
So science can go suck a cock. I don't give a shit if 98% of the people don't care if they have something spoiled ahead of time. I do and it's very clear I'm not the only one here that feels this way.
My stance was spoilers ruin things for people. The counter stance was "we" enjoy things more if they're spoiled.
So science can go suck a cock. I don't give a shit if 98% of the people don't care if they have something spoiled ahead of time. I do and it's very clear I'm not the only one here that feels this way.
So you are all people?
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 24 2014,12:15
Who you callin all people
Posted by Vince on Sep. 24 2014,18:15
98% of the time, I don't care and don't mind reading spoilers. There are very few movies where it's made a difference to me. Let's face it, most movie and TV plots today aren't written well enough to spoil by knowing them ahead of time. Hell, you can pretty much look at the movie poster and read the tag line and get on the green of the exact plot line (to use a sort of golf metaphor).
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 25 2014,06:18
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(Leisher @ Sep. 24 2014,14:06)
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To be fair, you're talking about medicine, and I'm talking about people's personal preference and opinions.
My stance was spoilers ruin things for people. The counter stance was "we" enjoy things more if they're spoiled.
So science can go suck a cock. I don't give a shit if 98% of the people don't care if they have something spoiled ahead of time. I do and it's very clear I'm not the only one here that feels this way.
My stance was spoilers ruin things for people. The counter stance was "we" enjoy things more if they're spoiled.
So science can go suck a cock. I don't give a shit if 98% of the people don't care if they have something spoiled ahead of time. I do and it's very clear I'm not the only one here that feels this way.
So you are all people?
Are you an actual feline?
Let's not do the nitpicky horseshit to keep a dead thread alive.
If you want to judge the use of the word people, start with Malcolm and < this article he posted >. You'll notice their use of the word is exactly the same.
End of the day, show some courtesy regarding spoilers. We're not all the same. Some of us don't mind spoilers, others do.
Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 25 2014,06:25
(Leisher @ Sep. 25 2014,09:18)
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Are you an actual feline?
No. I am THE actual feline. All others are mere imitation.
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End of the day, show some courtesy regarding spoilers. We're not all the same. Some of us don't mind spoilers, others do.
Most people enjoy spoilers. You do not. That;s fine. I try to keep the world spoiler free.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 25 2014,06:31
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Most people enjoy spoilers.
If the average IQ is 100 and "most people" enjoy spoilers then it stands to reason that most people that enjoy spoilers are morons.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 25 2014,07:06
I greatly dislike spoilers.
Posted by Tony the Tiger on Sep. 25 2014,07:14
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No. I am THE actual feline. All others are mere imitation.
You go fuck yourself!
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 25 2014,07:23
(GORDON @ Sep. 25 2014,09:06)
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I greatly dislike spoilers.
You all merely fear the truth.
Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 25 2014,07:23
You're not even real, Tony. YOU'RE A FUCKING DRAWING.