Topic: Fantastic Four
started by: Malcolm
Posted by Malcolm on May 02 2013,10:29
< Bleh >. Another unnecessary remake.
Posted by Leisher on May 02 2013,11:16
That's a smug little article that likes to tell you how morally superior the writer is to you. Making Johnny Storm black is stupid, and it's not because of racism. His sister, same mom AND dad, is white, and the people they're thinking of casting for that role are white. So yeah, unless mom's been fucking a black guy on the side it's stupid.
Unless Hollywood plans to rewrite everything, because that has ALWAYS worked out well...
Make both Johnny and Sue black and you avoid the problem. In fact, < here's who you should cast as the Invisible Woman >.
The real question is are they casting a black guy just to cast a black guy, and hopefully bring in black audiences?
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 20 2014,13:40
< Here's your new Fantastic Four. >It has brought a collective "meh" from the parts of the interwebs that I've seen.
Also, according to this article the script has gone through several re-writes and writers, so it's easy to see this being a bomb.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 20 2014,14:28
I recognize none of those motherfuckers. Why did they greenlight this if it's only going to suck again?
Posted by Vince on Feb. 20 2014,17:00
(Leisher @ May 02 2013,13:16)
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The real question is are they casting a black guy just to cast a black guy, and hopefully bring in black audiences?
Make the Thing transgender, too. Just to be inclusive.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 20 2014,17:01
Well, it is already a "thing."
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 20 2014,18:01
The next Superman will be a tiny Asian lesbian that identifies herself as male.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 05 2014,09:53
< Marvel might cancel the Fantastic Four series? >Obviously the editor there says that's not true, but really they could pull this off easily. The FF isn't a big seller.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 05 2014,10:06
Even if you discontinue that series, they can still guest star them in whatever the fuck they want.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 05 2014,10:27
Well, Fox has the rights to the characters, not just the title. If Marvel is going to do this right, they should kill off the characters, and leave them dead for a while.
Interestingly, Marvel's current "event" revolves around the murder of The Watcher. He happens to be one of the characters Fox has the rights to...
They're also going to be killing Wolverine soon. No seriously. They have severely fucked with his character (no more healing factor), and it's already been announced that he's dying this fall. He won't stay dead of course, but still.
< Here's a really good analysis > of the rift between Fox and Marvel.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 26 2014,11:11
Heard from the movie rumor mill that this new movie will basically have nothing to do with the Fantastic Four. Michael B. Jordan even did an interview where he said the script was constantly changing, as if that was a good thing. (Hint: It's not.)Meanwhile, certain folks can't wait to lavish praise on the filmmakers saying what a breath of fresh air this will be and other kiss ass things.
Why buy a property if you're not going to be true to that property? Why not just create your own property and not worry about giving another company your profits? Oh, because of the established audience? The ones you've already bored with two lackluster films, and who now know you don't give a shit about canon? Yeah, comic readers just HATE canon...
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 26 2014,11:13
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Yeah, comic readers just HATE canon...
Not nearly as much as the writers.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 26 2014,11:17
It just boggles the mind. They're a business right? Bottom line is to make money right? Why do everything you can to piss off the only people who are guaranteed to see your movie.
The Fantastic Four are fucking dull. Nobody gives a shit about them. Their comic series does terrible numbers too.
If Fox was smart, they'd figure out some way to get Marvel to buy back the rights and just walk away.
I expect we'll see some form of that after this new movie comes out and doesn't do as well as they're hoping.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 26 2014,12:04
I watched the FF movie with my kid recently.... it astounds me they could make a superhero movie so dull.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 21 2014,09:51
< The writer/producer speaks. >I find it interesting how he discusses the film. Never saying it's good or great. Never saying people will love it. Etc.
This movie is so universally expected to bomb that I think it now has a chance to surprise people.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 11 2014,09:39
< Doctor Doom is a bit different. >QUOTE
According to the actor, Doom isn't a doctor this time around, and his given name isn't even Victor Von Doom, it's Victor Domashev. Apparently he's an "anti-social" programmer who's online handle is "Doom". He's also an Eastern European living in America and Kebbel tried to give the character an accent to reflect that.
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
At this point I have to hope that they're just trolling people.
< io9's more hate filled article on this subject. >
You're seriously telling me that they're taking one of the biggest villains, who happens to be a dictator, and turning him into an angry forum troll? Hilarious.
This movie is going to BOMB. Also, have you noticed that the movie comes out next year and we've seen nothing for it? No trailers. No teases. That's not a good sign.
If I see someone I know coming out of this movie in the theaters, I'm going to punch them in the face. Not to be mean, but because I will assume they like to inflict pain upon themselves.
Posted by Vince on Nov. 11 2014,11:06
This is starting to make the Aunt May movie look like it might be more worth a watch.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 16 2015,12:42
< Fox might be trying to trick folks into thinking this movie isn't a disaster. >They've already locked down a sequel date and they've had another director under contract with them watch it and publicly tell people it's good. He said, If you liked Chronicle, you'll like this." LOTS of folks point out that's not exactly a glowing review.
Other people are still saying they're re-shooting and as recent as a year ago were looking for a new director to take over the whole project.
First trailer will appear before Kingsman.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 27 2015,06:41
First teaser Posted by Malcolm on May 23 2015,10:56
< Racists >.
Posted by Leisher on May 23 2015,11:37
Michael B. Jordan might want to look around a bit himself. Black people are a minority. They're not even the largest minority in this country, yet they've vastly more represented in Hollywood than the largest minority, Hispanics.
I'll grant him that there are folks upset he's in the movie simply because he's black. Yes, that's ignorant.
However, aren't fans of a product for 50+ years allowed to be disappointed that the filmmakers aren't staying true to the source material? To those fans, he should be offering an apology and asking them to just give it a chance.
Posted by GORDON on May 25 2015,16:17
Well obviously that's why all those people hated the casting of Nick Fury. Everyone is a racist.
Posted by TheCatt on May 25 2015,16:23
(Leisher @ May 23 2015,14:37)
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I'll grant him that there are folks upset he's in the movie simply because he's black. Yes, that's ignorant.
However, aren't fans of a product for 50+ years allowed to be disappointed that the filmmakers aren't staying true to the source material? To those fans, he should be offering an apology and asking them to just give it a chance.
However, aren't fans of a product for 50+ years allowed to be disappointed that the filmmakers aren't staying true to the source material? To those fans, he should be offering an apology and asking them to just give it a chance.
Yes, and the world owes Nazis and the kkk apologies too. What about people who grew up in Jim crow? Do thos white people read he an apology for the government' s changes?
Posted by Leisher on May 25 2015,17:12
(TheCatt @ May 25 2015,19:23)
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(Leisher @ May 23 2015,14:37)
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I'll grant him that there are folks upset he's in the movie simply because he's black. Yes, that's ignorant.
However, aren't fans of a product for 50+ years allowed to be disappointed that the filmmakers aren't staying true to the source material? To those fans, he should be offering an apology and asking them to just give it a chance.
However, aren't fans of a product for 50+ years allowed to be disappointed that the filmmakers aren't staying true to the source material? To those fans, he should be offering an apology and asking them to just give it a chance.
Yes, and the world owes Nazis and the kkk apologies too. What about people who grew up in Jim crow? Do thos white people read he an apology for the government' s changes?
What? That last sentence might have made your point, but I can't decipher what you were trying to say.
I hope you're not trying to compare Nazis and the KKK to people being upset that they're changing the dynamic of a brother-sister relationship in a piece of fiction that might have been created 50 years ago, but was still publishing new books with that same dynamic as of this year? That would be one hell of a stretch.
Or does everyone just have to accept all changes forced upon them and not even be remotely disappointed if something they might have dreamed of their whole life gets changed? Because, you know, if you disagree with ANYTHING for ANY reason, you're racist or whatever other label helps to shun you and shut you up.
Yay freedom of speech!
Posted by GORDON on May 25 2015,17:15
Remember the shit when Khan was cast with a white actor?
Posted by TheCatt on May 25 2015,17:17
(Leisher @ May 25 2015,20:12)
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Or does everyone just have to accept all changes forced upon them and not even be remotely disappointed if something they might have dreamed of their whole life gets changed? Because, you know, if you disagree with ANYTHING for ANY reason, you're racist or whatever other label helps to shun you and shut you up.
Then they're taking these characters too seriously.
Your point seemed to be that changing a race was something the actor (who wasn't even the one who made the decision) would need to apologize for. (You didn't mention the sibling thing earlier, I don't believe) I think that's insane. But if you think race is worth apologizing over, then shouldn't the US government apologize to Nazis for changing their race relations? Same with the KKK?
At any rate, no one is owed an apology.
Posted by Leisher on May 25 2015,17:17
People were pissed about that casting...This was to Gordon's post.
Posted by Leisher on May 25 2015,17:32
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Then they're taking these characters too seriously.
Oh bullshit. I don't see anyone protesting the film or giving him death threats. If they are, fuck them. I'm not defending them.
And I'd argue your constant frustration over the Redskins' decisions is in the same vein. Maybe you're taking them too seriously?
Are you honestly arguing people can't express their opinion over disappointment about a casting? I guess all the folks who thought the casting of Nic Cage as Superman are also ignorant.
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Your point seemed to be that changing a race was something the actor (who wasn't even the one who made the decision) would need to apologize for. (You didn't mention the sibling thing earlier, I don't believe) I think that's insane. But if you think race is worth apologizing over, then shouldn't the US government apologize to Nazis for changing their race relations? Same with the KKK?
Just curious, did you read the article? It doesn't seem like you did and are only reacting to my comments. Kind of important you read his comments as he's kind of a dick about everything.
He calls everyone who disagrees with his casting ignorant and paints them ALL as racist. But since he's on the side of "change because" I guess he gets a pass for the same behavior you're condemning other for?
I'm just saying that maybe he shouldn't be calling fans of the product who are just disappointed that they're changing the core fundamental of "Marvel's First Family" ignorant racists. Is it really so bad for me to say maybe instead of fire bombing those folks, he should be reaching out to them? I'm sure the folks at Fox would agree. His statements aren't selling a single ticket, and I'd wager they're having the opposite effect.
I'm not advocating the racists who are ranting. I'm pointing out that he should show more restraint for those folks who might not consider this a deal killer, but are disappointed.
But no, keep bashing everyone with a differing opinion and force them underground. That'll end well.
Posted by TheCatt on May 25 2015,17:51
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Seriously, you cast a black dude to play the human torch in the reboot. That's so not right!! (Not being racist, no offense)
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New cast of #FantasticFour reboot sucks! Human Torch is now black for some PC reason. Stick to the source material and stop the nonsense!
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Like why is Michael b Jordan in that film as Johnny?
WHEN WAS THE HUMAN TORCH EVER BLACK ? HIS SISTER IS WHITE ? WTF
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I'm not racist, but how can you have a black human torch and pasty white invisible woman, they're fucking brother and sister for fuck sake
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Human torch is black all of a sudden and we are supposed to accept it out out white guilt? Please. Let's also make George Washington black or Sherlock Holmes female. For that matter why not just make the human torch have Thors hammer instead of fire powers? Johnny Storm is a WHITE DUDE. He has been created already. Want more black superheroes? Then make more! Stop trying to rewrite history!
I think I can summarize all of these as "I claim not be racist, but I'm lying"
Posted by Leisher on May 25 2015,19:02
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Seriously, you cast a black dude to play the human torch in the reboot. That's so not right!! (Not being racist, no offense)
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New cast of #FantasticFour reboot sucks! Human Torch is now black for some PC reason. Stick to the source material and stop the nonsense!
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Like why is Michael b Jordan in that film as Johnny? WHEN WAS THE HUMAN TORCH EVER BLACK ? HIS SISTER IS WHITE ? WTF
WHEN WAS THE HUMAN TORCH EVER BLACK ? HIS SISTER IS WHITE ? WTFQUOTE
I'm not racist, but how can you have a black human torch and pasty white invisible woman, they're fucking brother and sister for fuck sake
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Human torch is black all of a sudden and we are supposed to accept it out out white guilt? Please. Let's also make George Washington black or Sherlock Holmes female. For that matter why not just make the human torch have Thors hammer instead of fire powers? Johnny Storm is a WHITE DUDE. He has been created already. Want more black superheroes? Then make more! Stop trying to rewrite history!
I think I can summarize all of these as "I claim not be racist, but I'm lying"
Bah, that's crap and you know it. I mean grabbing specific comments from hundreds or thousands and then blanket labeling them based on your own opinion is supposed to prove what exactly?
Look, as I've stated multiple times, there are racists who just see skin color. The casting of Heimdal was a FAR more clear cut case of that. I'll grant said racists a point there: Not many Vikings were black. That being said, his race affected NOTHING. It was never a plot point anywhere.
Johnny Storm's was a plot point. Many times.
Considering those folks who read FF are your core audience, it's probably not the wisest move to have your actor painting them all as ignorant racists. That's why I said he should be offering those folks an olive branch instead of hitting everyone with the same hammer. Last time I checked the proper way to remove weeds from your lawn wasn't to set the whole thing on fire.
(And let's gloss over how his blanket labeling everyone who disagrees with his casting isn't "ignorant" at all.)
I'm not saying they're right or wrong, but they should be allowed a forum to express their disappointment without being labeled as racists.
For the record, I couldn't care less if they cast a black, Jewish, albino, redheaded, Nazi little person as Johnny Storm. I have never liked the FF and I hope this movie bombs. Why? I want Marvel to get the FF back and there's a good chance of that happening if it crashes.
That all being said, if they make Iron Fist black, I will be pissed and vocal about it. The entire theme of he and Luke Cage's partnership and friendship was that Cage (already cast) was black and he was white.
Posted by TheCatt on May 26 2015,04:40
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I mean grabbing specific comments from hundreds or thousands and then blanket labeling them based on your own opinion is supposed to prove what exactly?
Those are specifically racist comments, showing the racist reaction some people are having.
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I'm not saying they're right or wrong, but they should be allowed a forum to express their disappointment without being labeled as racists.
Then they should make comments that aren't solely about race.
I don't think the actor owes those people anything, no olive branch, no apology.
Posted by GORDON on May 26 2015,04:48
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I mean grabbing specific comments from hundreds or thousands and then blanket labeling them based on your own opinion is supposed to prove what exactly?
Those are specifically racist comments, showing the racist reaction some people are having.
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I'm not saying they're right or wrong, but they should be allowed a forum to express their disappointment without being labeled as racists.
Then they should make comments that aren't solely about race.
I don't think the actor owes those people anything, no olive branch, no apology.
I also don't think the actor needs to do anything, but I stopped watched Star Trek: Deep Space 9 when I found out the actor playing Sisko was a punk-ass race bitch, and as of now I'm not going to see this movie or the same reason.
He'd better get his PR manager to be charming on his behalf.
Posted by Vince on May 26 2015,04:50
Casting a black man, if for no other reason than diversity, is in itself racist.On the other hand when the West family was cast with black actors in The Flash, I wasn't too sure about that. Seemed a little PC driven. Since then though, some of my favorite scenes of character interaction have involved Jesse Martin. He's been a lot of fun on that show and I'm glad he was cast.
Posted by Leisher on May 26 2015,06:26
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Those are specifically racist comments, showing the racist reaction some people are having.
For what purpose? I already established there are folks reacting purely on racism and I'm not talking about them. So, why'd you point them out to counter me?
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Then they should make comments that aren't solely about race.
Kind of tough when it IS about race.
And that's the problem. Black people can write articles about how whitey needs to stay out of their secret meetings because all white people are in some secret world wide society of privilege which makes minorities feel bad (in this country), and that's not racist. But someone being disappointed that a fictional character that's been white for 50-60 years having their race changed "just because" means they're racist?
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Casting a black man, if for no other reason than diversity, is in itself racist.
Diversity needs to exist and Hollywood properties shouldn't just be a bunch of crackers, but it also shouldn't be super heavy on black people either. They're the second largest minority yet get a LOT more representation in Hollywood than the largest minority.
On a related note, another group that's pretty underrepresented is women.
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I stopped watched Star Trek: Deep Space 9 when I found out the actor playing Sisko was a punk-ass race bitch, and as of now I'm not going to see this movie or the same reason.
And this is why I said Michael B. Jordan needs to act differently. Granted, it's not his job to teach people not to be ignorant, but it IS his job to sell tickets. How good a job do you think he's doing by blanket labeling anyone who might have misgivings about his casting as ignorant and racist?
On another related note, anyone notice how nobody gave a fuck that The Rock was cast as Black Adam despite the racial differences between the character and actor?
Posted by TPRJones on May 26 2015,11:31
So, are Johnny Storm and Sue Storm still brother and sister or not?Apparently Kate Mara was going to read the comics in preparation for the role, but was told not to by the director and the writer. Specifically they told her the movie would have no relation of any sort to the comic books. If so, why the fuck even call the damn thing Fantastic Four in the first place?
Posted by GORDON on May 26 2015,11:52
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So, are Johnny Storm and Sue Storm still brother and sister or not?
Apparently Kate Mara was going to read the comics in preparation for the role, but was told not to by the director and the writer. Specifically they told her the movie would have no relation of any sort to the comic books. If so, why the fuck even call the damn thing Fantastic Four in the first place?
Apparently Kate Mara was going to read the comics in preparation for the role, but was told not to by the director and the writer. Specifically they told her the movie would have no relation of any sort to the comic books. If so, why the fuck even call the damn thing Fantastic Four in the first place?
Maybe we can look at it as a live-action The Incredibles.
Posted by TheCatt on May 26 2015,14:15
They are making an Incredibles sequel for next year, FYI.
Posted by TheCatt on May 26 2015,14:16
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Apparently Kate Mara was going to read the comics in preparation for the role, but was told not to by the director and the writer. Specifically they told her the movie would have no relation of any sort to the comic books. If so, why the fuck even call the damn thing Fantastic Four in the first place?
Director's perspective on that quote:
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I think what Kate meant, and I read that comment, I think what she meant which was right is that it’s not based on any one run [...] DAYS OF FUTURE PAST was obviously based on DAYS OF FUTURE PAST comic run and that was something that I could easily give the actors to read and they’d know the whole story. In this case because we are really snatching details, story lines, moments, action sequences from across the whole gambit of the decades of FANTASTIC FOUR, there isn’t one comic that defines the movie.
< From here >
Posted by Vince on May 26 2015,14:40
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Casting a black man, if for no other reason than diversity, is in itself racist.
Diversity needs to exist and Hollywood properties shouldn't just be a bunch of crackers, but it also shouldn't be super heavy on black people either. They're the second largest minority yet get a LOT more representation in Hollywood than the largest minority.
I agree diversity needs to exist. But for casting the race should either be determined in the writing, or if not specified by the writing because the black guy had the best audition.
Posted by Leisher on May 26 2015,15:45
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(TPRJones @ May 26 2015,14:31)
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Apparently Kate Mara was going to read the comics in preparation for the role, but was told not to by the director and the writer. Specifically they told her the movie would have no relation of any sort to the comic books. If so, why the fuck even call the damn thing Fantastic Four in the first place?
Director's perspective on that quote:
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I think what Kate meant, and I read that comment, I think what she meant which was right is that it’s not based on any one run [...] DAYS OF FUTURE PAST was obviously based on DAYS OF FUTURE PAST comic run and that was something that I could easily give the actors to read and they’d know the whole story. In this case because we are really snatching details, story lines, moments, action sequences from across the whole gambit of the decades of FANTASTIC FOUR, there isn’t one comic that defines the movie.
< From here >
I'm having trouble remembering the storyline where Dr. Doom was the online handle for an "anti-social programmer"...
Also, the director's story about Mara is bullshit. Well, the part where he takes credit is because the writer is the one that told her the plot is based on decades of stories.
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So, are Johnny Storm and Sue Storm still brother and sister or not?
Yes, but they have to be step siblings, right? I mean they look NOTHING alike, and I'm not just talking skin color.
Speaking of skin color, someone on IMDB asked:
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Why not make the whole cast black
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Because Tyler Perry won't put up the money to sub-lease and produce an all black Fantastic Four so it can make 12 million at the box office.
Funny because it's so true.
Back to my debate with Cattt...
< Racist FF fans at it again!! >
If this were a court room I'd spike a football and scream "The defense rests!" (And then I'd go to jail for contempt...)
Posted by TheCatt on May 26 2015,16:00
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Back to my debate with Cattt...
< Racist FF fans at it again!! >
< Racist FF fans at it again!! >
Fucking nerds.
This is where we need the "100 years ago people didn't give a shit about a character's eyes cuz they were too busy trying to stay alive"
Posted by TheCatt on May 26 2015,16:02
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I'm having trouble remembering the storyline where Dr. Doom was the online handle for an "anti-social programmer"...
Is that really the plot?
Cuz if so, this is art imitating life. I'm 99% sure there was a hacker by that name in the late 80's when I was hacking with LOD/MOd.
Posted by Leisher on May 26 2015,16:27
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Fucking nerds.
This is where we need the "100 years ago people didn't give a shit about a character's eyes cuz they were too busy trying to stay alive"
This is where we need the "100 years ago people didn't give a shit about a character's eyes cuz they were too busy trying to stay alive"
Spoken like a gentleman sir.
(So there's no confusion, that's a Monty Python quote I'm using to signal the end of our debate.
)I honestly hope Michael B. Jordan saw that article and realized the world isn't as racist as he thought.
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Is that really the plot?
Yeah, I think so.
Posted by Malcolm on May 26 2015,16:30
I find this amusing. Since we all agree the current comic version of the F4 sucks, I fail to see why completely fucking with the formula is going to make it worse. Unless they try to play the script with far too much DC gravity. I'm looking at you shitty, Suicide Squad and Batman versus Superman movies. Calling those fuckers right now.QUOTE
I'm 99% sure there was a hacker by that name in the late 80's when I was hacking with LOD/MOd.
< Survey says no >, at least not a notable one. You ran with LOD?
Posted by TheCatt on May 26 2015,16:46
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I'm 99% sure there was a hacker by that name in the late 80's when I was hacking with LOD/MOd.
< Survey says no >, at least not a notable one. You ran with LOD?
Right, I don't think Dr. Doom was a member of LoD, I was just saying "back in the day"... He may have been a guy local to NC, not a major guy.
Yes, I worked with them in 88/89, so I knew: Lex, Leftist, Marauder, Dr. Who, and Phiber, maybe others whose names don't ring a bell any more. cDc as well (Sid Vicious, etc), but they were mostly about fun/pranks more than hacking.... and some very disturbing text porn.
Posted by Leisher on May 26 2015,21:36
My friend's dad was Agent Orange back in the Atari days.
Posted by Malcolm on May 26 2015,22:18
About a decade ahead of my time, digitally speaking.
Posted by Leisher on May 29 2015,23:42
< This is what it looks like when the media gets paid off. >Love the not even remotely subtle placement of the trailer.
The guy contradicts himself constantly and attacks Marvel with the same tactics he accuses them of using against Fox.
So we're not supposed to believe unnamed sources when they're discussing the FF movie, but we can totally trust them on Marvel?
The commenters take him to task on basically everything, including the race issue. They're a fun read.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 05 2015,12:00
< The early reviews are in despite the studio demanding no early reviews. >They aren't good...
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 06 2015,06:44
oh i'm so surprised. no really. this could never have been expected.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 06 2015,06:51
I noticed the tone of commercials went from "college-age whiz kids in failed experiment" to "military prisoners with special skills." Didn't bode well.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 07 2015,07:09
< Director blames the studio. >I'm 100% certain the studio has no fucking idea what they're doing with the FF. That being said, Josh Trank's only other film was Chronicle, which was also a critical failure.
And yes, the studio is blaming him. Read the article where they don't just say he was bad at his job, but also that his behavior was "erratic".
End of the day, Fox needs to give up and just give the rights back to Marvel.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 07 2015,07:16
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Trank was set to direct the second Star Wars stand-alone project. But Kinberg, who is producing that movie, is said to have communicated his displeasure with Trank to Kathleen Kennedy and the team at Lucasfilm. Trank subsequently left the Star Wars project earlier this year.
Nice career you might've had there.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 07 2015,10:24
< 10% on Rotten Tomatoes. >< It only made $2.7 million Thursday, so they're dropping projections for the weekend to $40 million. >
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Nice career you might've had there.
Yeah, this film will haunt him. I think he needs to head back to TV or the indy scene and do smaller films.
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 09 2015,17:19
< Bombed. >
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 09 2015,17:42
They've already greenlit a sequel, so it should be interesting to see if they follow through with it or simply use the characters in other Marvel movies as they still own the X-Men.This is their fourth(?) attempt at a good FF movie. They're 0 for 4.
Is Fox publicly traded? I could see investors squashing any additional films. They should try and sell Marvel/Disney the rights back.
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 09 2015,17:54
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Is Fox publicly traded? I could see investors squashing any additional films. They should try and sell Marvel/Disney the rights back.
< Yes >
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 09 2015,18:40
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They've already greenlit a sequel, so it should be interesting to see if they follow through with it or simply use the characters in other Marvel movies as they still own the X-Men.
Saw somewhere they are thinking about killing the F4 sequel and giving it to Deadpool
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 09 2015,19:19
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They've already greenlit a sequel, so it should be interesting to see if they follow through with it or simply use the characters in other Marvel movies as they still own the X-Men.
Saw somewhere they are thinking about killing the F4 sequel and giving it to Deadpool
The last F4 sequel made Green Lantern look positively amazing.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 09 2015,21:55
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(Leisher @ Aug. 09 2015,20:42)
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They've already greenlit a sequel, so it should be interesting to see if they follow through with it or simply use the characters in other Marvel movies as they still own the X-Men.
Saw somewhere they are thinking about killing the F4 sequel and giving it to Deadpool
That would be a wise move.
Posted by Paul on Aug. 10 2015,04:47
< 1994 Trailer for the Fantastic Four movie > (that they decided not to release) is on Reddit's front page today.For perspective, Jurassic Park was released in 1993.
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 10 2015,05:48
(Paul @ Aug. 10 2015,07:47)
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< 1994 Trailer for the Fantastic Four movie > (that they decided not to release) is on Reddit's front page today.
For perspective, Jurassic Park was released in 1993.
For perspective, Jurassic Park was released in 1993.
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In 1983, German producer Bernd Eichinger met with Marvel Comics' Stan Lee at Lee's Los Angeles home to explore obtaining an option for a movie based on the Fantastic Four.[1] The option was not available until three years later, when Eichinger's Neue Constantin film company obtained it for a price the producer called "not enormous" and which has been estimated to be $250,000.[2] Despite some interest from Warner Bros. and Columbia Pictures, budget concerns precluded any production, and with the option scheduled to expire on December 31, 1992, Neue Constantin asked Marvel for an extension. With none forthcoming, Eichinger planned to retain his option by producing a low-budget Fantastic Four film, reasoning, he said in 2005, "They didn't say I had to make a big movie."[2] In September 1992, he teamed with B-movie specialist Roger Corman, who agreed to produce the film on a $1 million budget.[2]
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Eichinger then informed Sassone that the film would not be released. Speculation arose that the film had never been intended for release, but had gone into production solely as a way for Eichinger to retain rights to the characters; Stan Lee said in 2005 that this was indeed the case, insisting, "The movie was never supposed to be shown to anybody," and adding that the cast and crew had been left unaware.[11] Corman and Eichinger dismissed Lee's claims, with the former stating in the same article, "We had a contract to release it, and I had to be bought out of that contract" by Eichinger.[10] Eichinger, also in that article, calls Lee's version of events "definitely not true. It was not our [original] intention to make a B movie, that's for sure, but when the movie was there, we wanted to release it."[10] He said future Marvel film impresario Avi Arad, at this point, in 1993, a Marvel executive,
...calls me up and says, 'Listen, I think what you did was great, it shows your enthusiasm for the movie and the property, and ... I understand that you have invested so-and-much, and Roger has invested so-and-much. Let's do a deal.' Because he really didn't like the idea that a small movie was coming out and maybe ruining the franchise.... So he says to me that he wants to give me back the money that we spent on the movie and that we should not release it.[10]
Arad recalled in 2002 that while on a trip to Puerto Rico in 1993, a fan noticing Arad's Fantastic Four shirt expressed excitement over the film's upcoming premiere, of which Arad said he was unaware. Concerned how the low-budget film might cheapen the brand, he said he purchased the film "for a couple of million dollars in cash" and, not having seen it, ordered all prints destroyed.[12]
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Eichinger then informed Sassone that the film would not be released. Speculation arose that the film had never been intended for release, but had gone into production solely as a way for Eichinger to retain rights to the characters; Stan Lee said in 2005 that this was indeed the case, insisting, "The movie was never supposed to be shown to anybody," and adding that the cast and crew had been left unaware.[11] Corman and Eichinger dismissed Lee's claims, with the former stating in the same article, "We had a contract to release it, and I had to be bought out of that contract" by Eichinger.[10] Eichinger, also in that article, calls Lee's version of events "definitely not true. It was not our [original] intention to make a B movie, that's for sure, but when the movie was there, we wanted to release it."[10] He said future Marvel film impresario Avi Arad, at this point, in 1993, a Marvel executive,
...calls me up and says, 'Listen, I think what you did was great, it shows your enthusiasm for the movie and the property, and ... I understand that you have invested so-and-much, and Roger has invested so-and-much. Let's do a deal.' Because he really didn't like the idea that a small movie was coming out and maybe ruining the franchise.... So he says to me that he wants to give me back the money that we spent on the movie and that we should not release it.[10]
Arad recalled in 2002 that while on a trip to Puerto Rico in 1993, a fan noticing Arad's Fantastic Four shirt expressed excitement over the film's upcoming premiere, of which Arad said he was unaware. Concerned how the low-budget film might cheapen the brand, he said he purchased the film "for a couple of million dollars in cash" and, not having seen it, ordered all prints destroyed.[12]
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 10 2015,10:18
< The hits > keep on coming.QUOTE
The thing is, this film might have done perfectly fine in, say, 1989.
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Here’s what I believe: If the studio had given the script to you and me, dear reader, we could have punched this up immeasurably within one week. And I don’t write that as a flip, idle boast; this dialogue is so devoid of humor...
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the climax feels like the mere midpoint of any Marvel Studios film — and the effect is that of a rushed school play trying to hit final curtain by curfew.
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Here’s what I believe: If the studio had given the script to you and me, dear reader, we could have punched this up immeasurably within one week. And I don’t write that as a flip, idle boast; this dialogue is so devoid of humor...
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the climax feels like the mere midpoint of any Marvel Studios film — and the effect is that of a rushed school play trying to hit final curtain by curfew.
< Trank's tweet > costs cash.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 10 2015,10:49
I meant to mention previously about the trailer...The line that made me know this movie would suck is:
"If we do this, we do it our way."
So fucking cliche. What exactly is "your way" considering this is an origin story and you've never worked together as a team?
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 10 2015,15:05
< 'Fantastic Four' Gets Worst CinemaScore Ever for Studio Superhero Movie >
Posted by Paul on Aug. 10 2015,16:23
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he said he purchased the film "for a couple of million dollars in cash" and, not having seen it, ordered all prints destroyed.
The full movie is here:
< http://www.dailymotion.com/video....rtfilms >
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 10 2015,19:38
(Paul @ Aug. 10 2015,18:23)
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The full movie is here:
< http://www.dailymotion.com/video....rtfilms >
< http://www.dailymotion.com/video....rtfilms >
Well. That was weird. The dialog is occasionally bizarre, the direction is frequently clumsy, the acting is a bit erratic, the few "futuristic" sets of 1999 are straight out of the future imagined in the 1950s, the effects are sometimes hilarious, and for some reason whenever the musical score isn't being melodramatic it keeps veering into clown music.
But for a schlocky 80s sci-fi flick it's better than average. Not as good as Weird Science but better than My Science Project. Perhaps on par with Battle Beyond the Stars.
Absolutely the best Fantastic Four movie made to date. I recommend it.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 10 2015,19:49
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Absolutely the best Fantastic Four movie made to date. I recommend it.
The budget was $1M.
The '05 FF had a $100M budget and made $330M due to what's know as the "Phantom Menace" effect. However, the jig was up. The '07 sequel put in $30M more and made $40M less. This one was $120M and is dying at around $60M. Who the fuck was sleeping on the dailies for this fucking thing?
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 11 2015,06:40
< Fox pushing ahead with a sequel. >I doubt they'll hit the next release date as it'd be very foolish to give the public more shit they didn't buy the first time. This is just Fox holding onto the characters in their very bitter war with Marvel.
I bet there's a MUCH higher chance that these characters show up in an X-Men movie than any new FF movie in the next 3-4 years.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 11 2015,06:42
In other News, Fox executives were recently seen sitting around wondering if they could figure out how to cancel Firefly again.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 11 2015,06:58
Don't start that list, it's way too long.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 11 2015,07:19
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In other News, Fox executives were recently seen sitting around wondering if they could figure out how to cancel Firefly again.
That shit can't be cancelled hard enough.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 11 2015,10:09
< Compared to > Batman and Robin. Damn.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 13 2015,13:23
< More insider stuff about what went wrong. >
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 13 2015,13:44
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< More insider stuff about what went wrong. >
Is there any stuff, insider or otherwise, about anything that went right?
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 14 2015,11:55
< Fans petitioning Fox to stop making FF movies. >Seriously, no way can investors sit back and let them make another.
< Miles Teller and Trank almost fought on set. >
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 15 2015,08:06
< Marvel reaches deal with Fox for Fantastic Four. >Fox wisely gave up.
Too bad they completely own the X-Men now.
On the comics side, Marvel is doing everything it can to pretend mutants no longer exist in the Marvel universe.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 15 2015,08:56
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This comes shortly after news that Marvel and Fox have done a ground-breaking deal for the X-Men TV rights – allowing 20th Century Fox to produce two new television shows based upon Marvel’s mutants.
I would've told Fox to go fuck off.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 25 2016,07:45
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 02 2016,23:37
Got a 4th movie free renting movies this weekend and I grabbed this one. I'm putting spoilers in here. This movie sucks donkey balls, so you shouldn't care.
I went into it with super low expectations, and was surprised to discover it was even worse than I imagined.
There was simply no respect paid to the source material at all. Marvel's "First Family" wasn't a family, Reed and Sue had no romance, Doom didn't have his mask and his whole story line gets wrapped up in what seemed to be 15 minutes, and holy shit could I go on. Keeping all that in mind, it's ok to add diversity where it's needed, but when you pay so little respect to the source material in every way, your addition of diversity comes off as a cheap tactic to get another demographic into your theater.
The plot and dialogue were possibly written by a child. I mean every cheesy moronic thing a hero or villain could say from the 50s is here. Oh, and the military is bad because it's Hollywood.
And hey, let's talk about Doom! It could be argued that Doom is one of the most complex villains in all of literature. Megalomaniac? Absolutely! Evil? It's a gray area... However, they really simplify it here by making him kind of a nice guy with an ego and then disappearing until the last 15 minutes of the movie where he finally shows up without his mask or his trademark costume and only does so because the evil military goes to his world. Seriously. And instead of Doom telling folks to piss off, he instead just willy nilly decides that Earth's got to go and begins a painfully long process to complete said task. Meanwhile, he takes a walk around the base insta-killing every living thing from distance EXCEPT for the FF and their dad. Why? It made no sense that everyone else in the base died instantly except for those specific people. It made no sense that he killed people in every hallway , yet somehow never ran into any FF members despite them finding one another.
Holy shit did this suck!
I won't blast the actors here because they had nothing to work with, but damn...if they get honored at some point in the future they won't be including clips from this film in their tribute.
Just a horrendous film in every way. A steaming pile of shit. I've seen better writing in Sharknado movies. If Josh Trank never gets another big budget movie he only has himself to blame. He clearly had no clue what he was doing, shouldn't be writing scripts, and should abso-fucking-lutely respect source material that's existed since long before he was born and has a massive audience already.
Still, watch it when you can for FREE. You'll enjoy the fact that your expectations couldn't be lower and how the film proves they weren't low enough.