Forum: Games Topic: Xbox One started by: Stranger Posted by Stranger on May 21 2013,13:22
< http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one/ >
Posted by Malcolm on May 21 2013,13:26
The new CoD griefing tactic: yelling, "XBOX OFF!!!" as loud as fucking possible and praying it shuts down everyone on comm en masse.
Posted by Malcolm on May 21 2013,13:27
QUOTE The Xbox One simultaneously runs three separate operating systems. First comes the tiny Host OS, which boots the machine and then launches two other hard-partitioned systems: the Shared partition, an environment that runs any apps (Skype, Live TV, Netflix, etc.) and helps provide processing power for the Kinect sensor and its gesture and voice controls; and the Exclusive partition, which is where games run. Because of the way memory is apportioned in the Shared partition, you can switch between apps with little to no load times, and even snap them into another app or game to use both at the same time. MS has enough trouble with one OS. Posted by Stranger on May 21 2013,13:32
(Malcolm @ May 21 2013,16:26) QUOTE The new CoD griefing tactic: yelling, "XBOX OFF!!!" as loud as fucking possible and praying it shuts down everyone on comm en masse. you sir, are a step ahead of the game. Hilarious! ... oh wait, wouldn't that turn off your console too?! Posted by Stranger on May 21 2013,13:44
It says nothing of that room projector thingy, wonder if that will be an add on.
Posted by Malcolm on May 21 2013,16:02
(Stranger @ May 21 2013,15:32) QUOTE (Malcolm @ May 21 2013,16:26) QUOTE The new CoD griefing tactic: yelling, "XBOX OFF!!!" as loud as fucking possible and praying it shuts down everyone on comm en masse. you sir, are a step ahead of the game. Hilarious! ... oh wait, wouldn't that turn off your console too?! A) If you're doing shittily enough, what've you got to lose? It's a couple notches (of douchebaggery) above just logging out in frustration. B) Maybe you can tape some cotton or something over the voice receiver for your machine. EDIT: Griefing idea ripped off from... ![]() Posted by GORDON on May 21 2013,17:23
(Malcolm @ May 21 2013,16:27) QUOTE QUOTE The Xbox One simultaneously runs three separate operating systems. First comes the tiny Host OS, which boots the machine and then launches two other hard-partitioned systems: the Shared partition, an environment that runs any apps (Skype, Live TV, Netflix, etc.) and helps provide processing power for the Kinect sensor and its gesture and voice controls; and the Exclusive partition, which is where games run. Because of the way memory is apportioned in the Shared partition, you can switch between apps with little to no load times, and even snap them into another app or game to use both at the same time. MS has enough trouble with one OS. Does it run ANY apps, or any apps that the XBox will allow? I am a little irked that Sony pulled the "Other OS" option off the PS3 soon after I got it, I had actual plans to load Linux on there and see what I could do with it. I don't like the baked-in music player on the PS3, and would love to have another mp3 player option... but I don't. For example. Posted by Leisher on May 22 2013,08:24
Actual photo of the X-Box One's box:![]() Posted by Malcolm on May 23 2013,10:38
< You WILL be kinecting >, goddamnit.QUOTE “Kinect does require to be connected to Xbox One in all cases, yes,” he [Xbox's UK marketing director Harvey Eagle] said. Asked whether the Xbox One will accommodate people who perhaps play in their bedroom rather than their living room, Eagle replied: “Yes, absolutely. We use the living room almost as a moniker - that's where we assume the best screen is in the house. But if you like to play in any other room in the house, the Xbox One will deliver the same quality of experience whatever the environment.” Awesome. Let's hear it for forced UIs. < Used games >? QUOTE The plot, she thickens. “Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc,” Wired stated.]The plot, she thickens. “Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc,” Wired stated. < Also can't decide if it'll be an "always on" device or not >. Posted by Leisher on May 23 2013,11:52
Microsoft makes great products. It's too bad they don't make them for their target consumers. Posted by Malcolm on May 23 2013,12:15
QUOTE It's too bad they don't make them for their target consumers. MS lost track of their market base years ago. They're just trying to make everything for everyone now. But only if someone else gives them the idea. Posted by GORDON on May 23 2013,12:22
An always-on requirement on a console is a huge dealbreaker for me.But, as I always say, "Madden 2014 X-Box One only, yo." Posted by Leisher on May 24 2013,06:39
EA's CTO is a fucking moron.< He actually said: "The X-Box One is a generation ahead of the highest end PC on the market." > Does anyone, and I mean from the mail room to the CEO, have even the slightest clue what they're doing over at EA? So is he completely full of shit or really that stupid? Nobody with an IQ above 50 could honestly believe that ANY console can outpace a high end PC. It's simply not possible based on the fact that console technology is purposely behind the curve because of the price. If they used high end components consoles would cost over $1,000. Nobody would buy consoles that expensive, so they use older, weaker components to get the price down to the $300-$400 range. Also from the article: QUOTE During the launch of the PS3 and Xbox 360, we heard predictions from people such as analyst Michael Pachter and CNET Executive Editor David Carnoy suggesting the new generation would cause a decline in PC gaming. How'd that prediction work out for you dipshit? Consoles aren't better. They're gaming for dummies. They don't exist because they're awesome. They exist because of convenience, laziness, and ignorance. Posted by Malcolm on May 24 2013,07:54
There are ways to weasel out of this, but the actual quote is just damning...QUOTE Both the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 have adopted electronics and an integrated systems-on-a -chip (soc) architecture that unleashes magnitudes more compute and graphics power than the current generation of consoles. These architectures are a generation ahead of the highest end PC on the market and their unique design of the hardware... You are batshit insane. The reason consoles and PCs have different hardware is because consoles can specialize where PCs can't. They are gaming devices and media boxes that are inferior to a PC gaming device/media box in every way that matters, except for initial cost. I hope MS and Sony paid this dude to virtually lick their digital balls; otherwise, it's just fucking sad. Posted by Malcolm on May 29 2013,10:31
< MS literally bribing you to watch ads >.QUOTE Digital credits or physical rewards could be awarded for watching adverts or TV series, and the patent suggests that eye tracking and even heart-rate monitors could even be used to provide viewers with further rewards. "Goddamnit, they aren't getting the free hat unless they have a mild heart attack!" Posted by Leisher on May 30 2013,11:52
5 reasons the X-Box One is going to suck.
Posted by Malcolm on May 30 2013,12:15
(Leisher @ May 30 2013,13:52) QUOTE 5 reasons the X-Box One is going to suck. Microsoft would be a great company if it weren't for the cadre of dumb-ass execs determined to drive it into the ground. Posted by TheCatt on May 30 2013,12:23
(Leisher @ May 30 2013,14:52) QUOTE 5 reasons the X-Box One is going to suck. So... it's going to be awesome? Posted by Malcolm on May 30 2013,12:26
Analysts are still predicting it will be murdered in Japan, where "X1" is a slang term for a failed, divorced loser male.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 06 2013,11:49
< Microsoft to hold detailed Q&A session at E3 regarding Xbox One >.QUOTE The company's upcoming press conference at E3 will no doubt deliver more information ... Microsoft seems to have cancelled its roundtable discussion at this year's E3 Or maybe not. As the article points out, MS is doing a great job of making Sony look like the better option. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 07 2013,12:40
From reports out of E3:QUOTE Microsoft confirms required 24-hour check-in for Xbox One. Playing games on somebody else's console will also require a check-in every hour. Well, I'll never own one. Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 07 2013,12:54
"MS said that it would gladly disable check-ins provided all XBox system users shove the special Microsoft XBox One 'Anal Verifier' peripheral straight into their assholes while logged on."
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 07 2013,13:05
Nah, you're not biased against MS.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 07 2013,13:10
(Leisher @ Jun. 07 2013,15:05) QUOTE Nah, you're not biased against MS. Comes with years of using their developer tools. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 07 2013,16:13
My dislike for Microsoft probably started when DirectX shouldered out OpenGL as the primary game development tool.Either that or WinME. Which was first? Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 07 2013,18:26
My dislike started at DOS. Winblows 98 made it grow into a more antagonistic relationship. Full-blown hatred did not occur until use of Visual Studio and MS-SQL Server 2005.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 07 2013,18:27
(GORDON @ Jun. 07 2013,18:13) QUOTE My dislike for Microsoft probably started when DirectX shouldered out OpenGL as the primary game development tool. Either that or WinME. Which was first? OpenGL was ousted before ME, in my opinion. The precise point in time of the ousting will always be a debatable point. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 07 2013,19:11
If you don't like SQL 2005, it's probably your problem. That thing was gold for that day and age.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 07 2013,20:21
(TheCatt @ Jun. 07 2013,21:11) QUOTE If you don't like SQL 2005, it's probably your problem. That thing was gold for that day and age. To quote Vincent Vega, "It's the little things, you know?" EDIT: This is also coming from a dude that's drowning in PL/SQL/Oracle bullshit right now. I'd welcome a switchover to the latest SP version of MS-SQL 2008, but I've been told our normal data workflow volume "can't be handled using that technology." I would be utterly fucked in the PL realm if not for my previous experience with Ada and its retarded recessive gene twin, Pascal. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 08 2013,03:56
QUOTE I'd welcome a switchover to the latest SP version of MS-SQL 2008, but I've been told our normal data workflow volume "can't be handled using that technology." I have no idea what that person means. Meanwhile, SQL is up to 2012 SP1. Oracle PL/SQL is decent. It's can be a pain in the butt, but it gets the job done, mostly. I work with both daily. Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 08 2013,10:25
QUOTE I have no idea what that person means. Pretty sure they meant, "We picked Oracle a few years ago and we're too lazy/stupid to change now." Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 09 2013,05:15
Gotcha. Yeah, I get that now.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 10 2013,08:30
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< $500 >
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 10 2013,12:19
I hope this thing absolutely bombs just like the Wii.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 10 2013,12:22
So far I have no interest in either one.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 10 2013,12:52
(Leisher @ Jun. 10 2013,14:19) QUOTE I hope this thing absolutely bombs just like the Wii. I wouldn't call the Wii a bomb. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 10 2013,13:04
I think he meant the Wii U
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 10 2013,13:06
(TheCatt @ Jun. 10 2013,15:04) QUOTE I think he meant the Wii U Alright, that thing tanked pretty hard. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 10 2013,13:19
Hey, my kid has played it about 4 times since Christmas. It's really a lot of fun.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 10 2013,13:42
QUOTE I think he meant the Wii U I did. The Wii was a massive success. The Wii U is the Wii with a PSP as a controller. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 11 2013,06:25
PS4 - $400.No used games issues, no 24 hour internet connection. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 11 2013,07:16
I'm honestly thinking I'll buy a PS4 just to spite MS and the X-Box One. Plus, the PS actually does get exclusives that don't eventually make their way to the PC. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 11 2013,07:23
I'll be holding off on everything. XBone will need to be giving handy-j's before I will buy it with always-on, and PS4 will need to come down at least $150 in price before I take too serious a look at it... unless it is giving blow-j's.I have only ever bought 1 console as soon as it was released, in my entire life... and that was the WiiU. So I learned my lesson. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 11 2013,07:59
I've bought XBox, Wii, Xbox 360, PS3, and PS2 as soon as they were released... and then resold them for profits. ![]() The Wii, I bought 6 of that season, and kept 1. But yeah, there's no good reason to buy this first season. Wait a year, save $100, or let them get the kinks out. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 11 2013,12:17
Saw this is the comments of an article on the PS4 E3 demo...QUOTE Goodbye, Xbox! You were like my first girlfriend. New, exciting and sexy. Then you became like my wife. Tyrannical, arrogant and demanding.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 13 2013,07:13
< Microsoft's arrogant reply. >
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 13 2013,07:29
... until it red rings.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 13 2013,12:02
< MS keeps digging their own grave >.QUOTE Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time. The bit they aren't mentioning there is this: QUOTE “The only limitation, it seems, is that only one person can be playing the shared copy of a single game at any given time,” Ars Technica reported after speaking with Microsoft Xbox Chief Marketing and Strategy Officer Yusuf Mehdi. Anyone who's ever had fun with DVR recording collisions will love this model, I'm sure. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 13 2013,12:43
Well, let's compare that to today:Tablets: No sharing 360: There's only one disc, so of course only person at a time. It sounds like a step up from both of those, since (I presume) the disc won't be required? But yeah, it's not going to be pretty Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 13 2013,12:45
QUOTE But yeah, it's not going to be pretty MS is betting that games + timesharing = awesome. I'm skeptical. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 13 2013,12:53
QUOTE Tablets: No sharing What? You're not doing it right. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 14 2013,08:02
Isn't it funny what a short memory corporations have?During the last console launches, Sony was the company not listening to the consumers and with the high price point, and their final sales reflected that. Meanwhile, Microsoft was the one playing good guy with an affordable system. Posted by WSGrundy on Jun. 14 2013,13:34
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< Interesting take >.QUOTE Navy Lt. Scott Metcalf was eagerly awaiting the arrival of the new Xbox One. Now he’s not even sure if he’ll buy one. ... “With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection,” an Xbox spokesperson tell Military Times. MS's answer is "use a 360." Then my favourite lie comes up: QUOTE “Although we’re very excited about Xbox One, we remain dedicated to Xbox 360 now and for years to come. In fact, we are expecting some of the greatest blockbusters of 2013 and 2014 to come out on Xbox 360.” Maybe "year to come," but that's about it. Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 18 2013,18:09
Sony PR kicks Microsoft PR in the balls: Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 19 2013,12:13
< MS just can't stfu >.QUOTE Specifically, Mattrick said Microsoft is 'over delivering value' against other choices consumers have. When asked to elaborate he said: "Well, just any modern product these days, you look at it, $499 isn't a ridiculous price point. We're delivering thousands of dollars of value to people so I think they're gonna love it when they use it." This is the same dude that said, "We have a product for people who can't access the internet. It's called the XBox 360." He needs a PR handler around him so right before he makes statements like this, the handler can stop him or fire a tranq dart or something. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 19 2013,12:51
He's trying the Apple approach. If he tells people it's awesome and great enough times, they might start believing it.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 19 2013,13:18
If Microsoft had 10% of the cult appeal of Apple, they would bury Sony and Nintendo in the console biz in every market except Japan. I am completely dumbfounded at the way they've managed to lodge their digital balls into the nut-cracking jaws of defeat in this arena.
Posted by WSGrundy on Jun. 19 2013,13:44
< Rumor > is MS changed the DRM rules for the xbox one. The site has crashed so there isn't a ton of info.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 19 2013,13:56
QUOTE Microsoft has announced an almost full reversal of the controversial digital rights management features built into the Xbox One. The console, launching later this year, will no longer require an online connection, or need to ping the Microsoft servers every 24 hours to hang on to life. It will also now play discs like any regular console and no longer place restrictions on trading games. There will also be no regional restrictions. Waiting for this to be outed as a practical joke. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 19 2013,15:29
I was going to post this with an "it was all just a dream" type of theme.
Posted by WSGrundy on Jun. 19 2013,15:54
QUOTE "There’s a few things we won’t be able to deliver as a result of this change," Marc Whitten, v.p. of Xbox Live told Kotaku, "One of the things we were very exicted about was 'wherever we go my games are always with me.' Now, of course, your physical games won’t show up that way. The content you bought digitally will. But you’ll have to bring your discs with you to have your games with you. Similarly, the sharing library [is something] we won’t be able to deliver at launch." Oh no! Please change it back again. I would be willing to put up with hourly internet checks if you would only give me these incredible options. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 19 2013,16:51
Honestly, I hate physical media. I wish they would make this an option. I want nothing to do with DVDs. I want my media to travel wherever I go, without me doing a damned thing. And I have no problem with doing hourly or whatever checks (until my Internet connection dies) in exchange for that.But I want it as an option, not forced. Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 20 2013,06:49
QUOTE Specifically, Mattrick said Microsoft is 'over delivering value' That sounds right. Delivering value? They are so over that. Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 20 2013,10:46
I was thinking, you hear it said that used games hurt publishers because they don't get any of that money but that's incorrect. In the vast majority of cases they do in fact get a portion of that money, just not directly. When person A sell a used copy of game X to Gamestop, in almost all cases they then turn around and use that money to buy a new game Y. Person B buying the used game X is what helps fund that second new game Y purchase. In many cases if person A couldn't sell that used game X then they would not have bought game Y. Person B would still have probably bought game X on sale eventually, so ultimately it's a wash to the publishers as they get about the same number of sales with only the particular game being sold being what is shifted around with the used game market. Of course Gamestop is ultimately screwing over both A and B with their ridiculous margins and they'd be better off if some other party (like the console makers) were the ones managing the used game market, but there's no need to find some new way to capture the money or anything because it's already being captured in sales of other new games with the credits funded by the used game market. Posted by WSGrundy on Jun. 21 2013,00:50
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I think ultimately < this > may be what eventually kills XBox. There's been a clear trend towards the must-play games being indie rather than big AAA titles, and MS does it's best to make XBLA as antagonistic towards indie games as it possibly can. If that doesn't change, XBox will eventually be nothing but EA frat games.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 03 2013,16:26
< New rep system >.QUOTE Players who prefer to stick with a party of known people in their friends lists won't be affected by the reputation system changes, Lavin said. Those playing with random, anonymous strangers, though, will quickly find that they are matched up with people who have similar reputation scores. Intriguing. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 04 2013,14:49
< Microsoft to Japan: > We're not even going to try.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 06 2013,13:25
XBone designed from the ground up to do one thing: serve you advertisements.< http://sticktwiddlers.com/2013....in-mind > The games and content and stuff are just to get your eyeballs. The camera is to know who they should cater the ads to. The daily "phone home" was to get the updated ads, and tweak the heuristics of the algorithm of what ads to serve. Microsoft is trying to sell you customer base directly to advertisers, after giving you the privilege of paying for it. They can give you the hardware free, or they can serve ads. Anything else is an insult. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 06 2013,15:25
Til someone finds a way to hack the kernel and disable all this bullshit.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 06 2013,15:48
(Malcolm @ Jul. 06 2013,18:25) QUOTE Til someone finds a way to hack the kernel and disable all this bullshit. The daily phone home would make that harder, but Microsoft said they killed it... which I don't believe. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 05 2013,10:45
Combating the < red ring of death >.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 08 2013,17:31
Want to record and make machinima videos that millions of people love watching on youtube and helps spread the brand of the machine on which you are recording?It'll cost you if you want to do it on XBox One. < http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23613754 > Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 30 2013,10:22
< XBoner > leaks sticky, milky fluid.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 30 2013,10:56
Maybe the fanboys should stop jerking off on it.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 30 2014,16:59
Microsoft will pay you to trade in your PS3.< https://www.nerdist.com/2014....our-ps3 > Posted by Leisher on Feb. 24 2014,07:22
The X-Box One is getting its ass kicked by the PS4 in sales lately. There have been stories about retailers like EBGames giving away additional incentives to try and get rid of their XB One supply. Meanwhile, the PS4 isn't in stock anywhere. Sucks to be $100 more expensive than your biggest competitor, AND have equal processing power and graphics. Probably didn't help when they acted all arrogant about their previous market dominance. Got an email today from MS to my business MS account offering Titanfall for free plus a month of X-Box Gold for only the cost of the X-Box One ($499)!!! Oh boy! Please sign me up for your overpriced and under powered PC for dummies, and while you're at it, please make me pay to multiplay games, something people using PCs (and PS4s?) don't have to do... Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 24 2014,09:16
Price cuts in the UK already for Xbox one. Dropped 30£
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 24 2014,11:31
I was reading that Sony was calling the most successful piece of equipment available for the PS4 was the XBox Kinect. They claim that piece of hardware is what makes the XBox $100 more expensive, people don't really use it that much, and it is what steers peeps toward buying a PS4.Let me see if I can find the article... Not exact one I read, but same gist: < http://www.techradar.com/us....1225802 > Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 24 2014,11:36
Microsoft: telling consumers exactly what they goddamn fucking well need since 1985.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 08 2014,21:34
< Price slashed. >Now it's cheaper than the PS4. That's a big move. Sony will have to respond. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2014,22:21
Well........... cheaper if you include the $60 game and about $60 worth of XBox Live... isn't the online stuff still free on the PS3/4?I'll be giving it a look when I can buy it for <$350. See ya in a couple years, XBone. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 09 2014,07:56
Price drops or not, I don't have any desire to get a new console at this point. My PS3 is nothing more than a big Blu-Ray player, although I did just find the uncharted sequel... My X-Box hasn't been used in forever despite me owning GTAV. I'll probably start going through that soon, but may retire my X-Box after that. With my PC, Steam, MW:O, and the fact that most games aren't exclusive to consoles I think I'm good to go without ever buying a console again. Not saying I won't, just saying right now I'm leaning against it. Posted by Leisher on May 06 2014,21:39
< Bill Gates is in favor of dumping the X-Box. >If the X-Box division became its own company, I think it'd fail. It's already not making money. What would have been more impressive is if Bill had said: "We own the PC market, and that's the best gaming system out there. Why aren't we taking advantage of that?" Posted by GORDON on May 13 2014,15:30
Kinect-less version for $400 in June.< http://www.nerdist.com/2014....for-399 > Posted by Leisher on May 14 2014,06:24
In a stunningly generous move, Microsoft is going to let non X-Box Live Gold members < access entertainment apps like Netflix, YouTube, etc. > on their X-Box...They're honestly screaming this from the mountain tops like it's a big deal! Like they're giving their customers this fantastic gift. I don't know who's worse, Microsoft for thinking they're doing something for their consumers here or the consumers who buy into this shit. How does a company like Microsoft so completely miss the mark when it comes to gaming? How are they such a non-factor in PC gaming? Why would they ever even try to develop a console when their whole company was built on PCs? The level of stupidity from company to consumer is staggering. Posted by TPRJones on May 14 2014,06:36
QUOTE How are they such a non-factor in PC gaming? Because Windows Live was a universally hated piece of trash? The only smart thing they've done when it comes to PC gaming is commit to consoles. Posted by TheCatt on May 14 2014,06:57
(Leisher @ May 14 2014,09:24) QUOTE In a stunningly generous move, Microsoft is going to let non X-Box Live Gold members < access entertainment apps like Netflix, YouTube, etc. > on their X-Box... Yeah, this is how it should have been from the beginning. Posted by Malcolm on May 14 2014,07:13
QUOTE How does a company like Microsoft so completely miss the mark when it comes to gaming? Their execs are fucking idiots. I know you think you've met some fucking idiots in your life. But the MS execs win. Hands down. No contest. MS is getting buried in everything except developer tools and OS for similar reasons. Posted by Malcolm on May 14 2014,10:27
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QUOTE Because Windows Live was a universally hated piece of trash? I love that the asshole behind that got fired. It just boggles the mind that at Microsoft nobody has stood up and said, "Why the fuck are we wasting all this money on a console when WE OWN THE PC MARKET!?!?!?!" Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 12 2014,10:25
< MS playing up > the XBone's games and little else. I'm sure that strategy will work out fine.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 12 2014,12:52
If Bill Gates or Steve Balmer ever do a Q&A, I hope someone asks them why they even bothered with consoles when they were already lords of the realm of the ultimate gaming rig: the PC.Granted, at the time of the X-Box streaming wasn't a thing, but the Steam Box is kind of a huge red flag that Microsoft is going about this all wrong. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 12 2014,20:22
< Article about how both consoles are already outdated. >The funny part is he's not comparing them to PCs. Apparently, the X-Box One has trouble getting to 1080p. It doesn't matter though because neither Microsoft or Sony took 4K TV technology into account when designing their new consoles. Well done. Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 13 2014,04:55
QUOTE But I’m confident that within as little as 12 months most of you will agree that their inability to deliver games at a ‘4K’ ... will make both the supposedly ‘next generation’ consoles feel like yesterday’s news. I'm not as optimistic as he is about 4k adoption. Quite frankly there's no content (except PC stuff), and there's barely any capability to deliver it. Remember how hard it was for cable to deliver basic HD for so many years? So maybe we'll have 4k TVs, but nothing to show on them, Xbox/PS4/otherwise. I have a 4k monitor at work. For computing, it's pretty awesome. Lined up next to my 24's, it allows me to keep any eye on a lot of things. But the panel quality is deficient. It's not an every day monitor. The difference between 1080p and 4k won't even be noticeable for graphics on most TVs until TVs get even bigger than they are today. I'm guessing 4k is still a niche until 2019. (content + TVs + relevance) Posted by Leisher on Sep. 13 2014,10:16
No, I think his projection is off as well. I mean, what's making him think we'll move fast on 4K? The quick public reaction to flat TVs? 3D TVs? Curved TVs? HDTVs? Nobody was sprinting to the store for any of those things. When people buy TVs, they're buying something they expect to have at least 10 years. I just found it funny that here's something they probably didn't consider (or did, but figured they'd cover in the next gen), and that a "tech guy" never mentioned how they consoles are obsolete before they even come out when compared to PCs. Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 13 2014,11:26
It's probably something they considered, but was so fringe it didn't seem worth it. Although, < Wikipedia says Xbox One supports 4k > Posted by Leisher on Sep. 13 2014,14:59
The X-Box One isn't even able to get to 1080p, how the hell is it 4K compatible?
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 13 2014,15:04
(Leisher @ Sep. 13 2014,17:59) QUOTE The X-Box One isn't even able to get to 1080p, how the hell is it 4K compatible? Yeah, TFA said games that were supposed to be 1080P couldn't quite get there on the hardware. Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 13 2014,15:47
(Leisher @ Sep. 13 2014,17:59) QUOTE The X-Box One isn't even able to get to 1080p, how the hell is it 4K compatible? I guess 4k compatible versus 4k-capable. Like it can produce 4k images, but it just can't do games at 4k. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 17 2014,12:15
< Follow up on the 4K article. >Still doesn't mention the dominance of PCs or how all consoles are obsolete from day 1 by design. Posted by Trooper on Sep. 17 2014,18:58
Too bad gaming has spread to the masses. True gamers have been deemed obsolete, due to the introduction of console gaming. Any douche fuck can afford to purchase an Xbox or Playstation, and boast their "achievements" in Call of Duty to the rest of the drones involved with said trend.TRUE gamers, take the time and effort to build their machines, part by part. Most understand the inner workings of their rigs, and often take pride in the hard work they put into their masterpiece. You won't see a console gamer raving the power of their newly installed Nvidia 980 Maxwell GPU. . . . . Not a true gamer in my opinion. . . . Build your own rig, love and understand what it does. Then you can come to me and tell me your system is better than mine. Until then, console gaming will forever be, the poor mans excuse for a gaming machine. Get lost, noobs. ;D Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 17 2014,19:18
Consoles are like junior versions of a Mac.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 18 2014,06:10
PC gamers aren't obsolete, they are just being ignored by the media in the pockets of the colsole makers who are spending billions trying to make fetch happen.We all just sit in the stands and watch the circus and laugh while playing better games. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 18 2014,08:50
QUOTE True gamers have been deemed obsolete, due to the introduction of console gaming. Any douche fuck can afford to purchase an Xbox or Playstation, and boast their "achievements" in Call of Duty to the rest of the drones involved with said trend. TRUE gamers, take the time and effort to build their machines, part by part. Most understand the inner workings of their rigs, and often take pride in the hard work they put into their masterpiece. You won't see a console gamer raving the power of their newly installed Nvidia 980 Maxwell GPU. . . . . Not a true gamer in my opinion. . . . Build your own rig, love and understand what it does. Nonsense. That's elitist douchebaggery. You're telling me that a guy who plays PC games maybe 2 hours a night on a custom built PC is more of a gamer than someone that plays Call of Duty 12 hours a day on a PS4? Listen, we all know that consoles are PCs with fewer features. We know that console players are getting ripped off because they're paying more, getting less, and using a shitty controller. However, their ignorance of the PC gaming universe doesn't reduce their love of gaming. Some folks don't have the technical knowledge to use PCs. Some don't have the money. Some are too lazy. Most simply have never thought about it. We might drive by them in our Lamborghini, but that doesn't make their Ford Focus any less of a car. If you want to help them you can't start by mocking them and calling them stupid. Teach them about the PC. Sing its praises. Explain to them how much cheaper games are on the PC and the glorious Steam sales. Tell them how mods work. Explain to them WASD and the mouse. PC Gaming is light years ahead of console gaming, and that's indisputable. However, I wouldn't say hardcore console players are not "true gamers" just because they play on consoles. In fact sir, you state: QUOTE True gamers have been deemed obsolete, due to the introduction of console gaming. At what point in time did your "true gamers" exist? Because the first console was released in 1972. The 80s were dominated by the Atari 2600 and Intellivision, while the C64 was barely a PC. Collecovision came along soon after. During the early 90s, Nintendo and Sega were masters of the gaming world. And why do people need to build their own PC to be a true gamer? That's like saying someone has to be a doctor to be a true human. I mean, by your logic, a guy who spends $500 building a custom PC to play Roller Coaster Tycoon is more of a gamer than someone that drops $7K on a maxed and speced out Falcon Northwest so he can max out the graphics in everything he plays. Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 18 2014,09:06
(Leisher @ Sep. 18 2014,10:50) QUOTE You're telling me that a guy who plays PC games maybe 2 hours a night on a custom built PC is more of a gamer than someone that plays Call of Duty 12 hours a day on a PS4? Yes, I would agree with that. These days console gamers are all bros and jocks. I don't want them to come to PC gaming, because I prefer PC gaming not to be turned into a drunken frat party. My grandma who only plays Yahoo solitare on her PC is more of a gamer than some PS4 CoD doucheknuckle. IMO. Oh, Nintendo is excepted from this. It's not a console, it's more of a digital toy for young children. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 18 2014,09:11
Completely disagree. Consoles are the minor leagues. It's where people can cut their teeth on gaming. Are there douchebags in console gaming? Of course! Are there douchebags in PC gaming? Three words for you: League. Of. Legends. Posted by Stranger on Sep. 18 2014,09:23
Not everybody out there knows or even cares to know how to even begin to build a PC. Just in Leisher and I's group of friends we are the only two that would even remotely know how to build a PC. I've got 2 kids at home ages 8 & 11, do you think they are gonna build their own PC? NO! I'm willing to bet about 80% of those kids between the grades of 3-8 have a console. And i don't blame them! They have a box they can put a cd in and it plays games! Millions of parents don't know any better themselves. They just buy the cd for the kids and its all good. They don't have to worry about where they have to download the files to and create shortcuts, update drivers, wait in long ass que's just to play a game! So i know we all think and are better than them lowly console gamers. But there is a reason why they exist, to make it easy for the average joe and kid out there to have access too. Hell, they don't know the insides of that box are anything less than our PC's, just that they work when they want them too. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 18 2014,09:32
QUOTE Not everybody out there knows or even cares to know how to even begin to build a PC. Just in Leisher and I's group of friends we are the only two that would even remotely know how to build a PC. Building a PC is a notch or two above changing a tire and setting a DVR to record a few shows. Posted by Stranger on Sep. 18 2014,09:37
(Malcolm @ Sep. 18 2014,12:32) QUOTE Building a PC is a notch or two above changing a tire and setting a DVR to record a few shows. Yeah, for you and I. But not for the average joe or kid. Posted by Trooper on Sep. 18 2014,09:38
(TPRJones @ Sep. 18 2014,09:06) QUOTE (Leisher @ Sep. 18 2014,10:50) QUOTE You're telling me that a guy who plays PC games maybe 2 hours a night on a custom built PC is more of a gamer than someone that plays Call of Duty 12 hours a day on a PS4? Yes, I would agree with that. These days console gamers are all bros and jocks. I don't want them to come to PC gaming, because I prefer PC gaming not to be turned into a drunken frat party. My grandma who only plays Yahoo solitare on her PC is more of a gamer than some PS4 CoD doucheknuckle. IMO. Couldn't have put it better myself. Any asshole I've ever met in RL (Jocks are a perfect example), rep their COD status daily. When you attempt to bring up the PC platform to them, all you'll get to hear is how the mouse and keyboard is retarded, and controllers are way better. . . . . DERP. Stay away from PC gaming, don't taint my perfect world with your douchery is what I say! No doubt PC gamers are just as douchey, but at least I can take solace in knowing they're being douchey from Mom and Dad's basement, downloading massive loads of Japanese anime tentical porn. . . . The console gamer douche is probably sitting around a group of even bigger douchers, talking about how amazing they are and which girl they porked and never called last night. . . Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 18 2014,09:54
(Stranger @ Sep. 18 2014,11:37) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Sep. 18 2014,12:32) QUOTE Building a PC is a notch or two above changing a tire and setting a DVR to record a few shows. Yeah, for you and I. But not for the average joe or kid. The mechanical ability required isn't that much. Maybe changing oil is a better example. If you're literate and not afraid to fuck up and spend some time, you can build a PC from independent parts. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 18 2014,09:57
QUOTE When you attempt to bring up the PC platform to them, all you'll get to hear is how the mouse and keyboard is retarded, and controllers are way better. . . . . DERP Easiest argument in history to destroy. 1. On a PC, you can use a controller if you'd like. 2. Controllers are so inaccurate that console games have auto aim cheats written into the code. 2. Keyboard and Mouse players have thoroughly DOMINATED controller using console gamers in every single game that has allowed such match ups. Those are not opinions. Those are facts. Google them. QUOTE No doubt PC gamers are just as douchey, but at least I can take solace in knowing they're being douchey from Mom and Dad's basement, downloading massive loads of Japanese anime tentical porn. . . . The console gamer douche is probably sitting around a group of even bigger douchers, talking about how amazing they are and which girl they porked and never called last night. . . What? You're upset about console players actually getting laid while you jerk it to tentacle porn? You lost me on this one. Sounds like you should see a professional to discuss these issues. QUOTE The mechanical ability required isn't that much. Maybe changing oil is a better example. If you're literate and not afraid to fuck up and spend some time, you can build a PC from independent parts. That's just stupid. Working on a PC is daunting for some people, let alone designing and then building one. Pretending that it's as simple as an oil change is more elitist douchebaggery. Is it easy? Yes. However, since I'm not a sociopath I can see where a lot of folks would never believe they could do it themselves. You're acting like that parent who throws their kid into the deep end without giving him/her lessons while screaming "sink or swim". Consoles are plug and play and have the perception of being affordable. PCs have the perception of being difficult and expensive. A perception that isn't helped by elitist douchebaggery. (That's my favorite word today.) Posted by Trooper on Sep. 18 2014,10:13
Bahahahahahah, I LOVE TENTICAL PRON.But seriously, I wasn't referring to myself at any point there. "I" can laugh, knowing"They're" in Mom and Dad's basement jerking it to tentical porn. . . . Whew, needed to be sure that was clarified heheheh. QUOTE Is it easy? Yes. However, since I'm not a sociopath I can see where a lot of folks would never believe they could do it themselves. Do-able? Yes. Easy? No. I would agree though, that most people wouldn't think they could do it themselves. Just like I don't think I could do certain repairs to my Car/Truck, I'm sure I could, I just don't have the knowledge that a mechanic would have so it would be very challenging. Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 18 2014,10:58
QUOTE Pretending that it's as simple as an oil change is more elitist douchebaggery. I disagree here. It is approximately as easy as an oil change. Perhaps a bit easier since you don't have to crawl under the chassis or find a lift to build a computer. The fact that more people are afraid of it than are afraid of oil changes doesn't mean it's more difficult. Some people are afraid of computers and find the idea of building one daunting. Some other people are afraid of cars and find the idea of changing the oil daunting. In another few decades there won't be more of the former around than of the latter. Computers are just newer. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 18 2014,11:03
QUOTE You're acting like that parent who throws their kid into the deep end without giving him/her lessons while screaming "sink or swim". I fail to see how not building a PC is equivalent to drowning. QUOTE PCs have the perception of being difficult and expensive. Perception != actual effort. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 18 2014,12:12
(TPRJones @ Sep. 18 2014,13:58) QUOTE QUOTE Pretending that it's as simple as an oil change is more elitist douchebaggery. I disagree here. It is approximately as easy as an oil change. Perhaps a bit easier since you don't have to crawl under the chassis or find a lift to build a computer. The fact that more people are afraid of it than are afraid of oil changes doesn't mean it's more difficult. Some people are afraid of computers and find the idea of building one daunting. Some other people are afraid of cars and find the idea of changing the oil daunting. In another few decades there won't be more of the former around than of the latter. Computers are just newer. No. The oil change is a terrible analogy. Unscrewing a plug, letting a fluid drain, screwing the plug back on, and then filling the reservoir is not the same as understanding that you can build a PC, teaching yourself the requirements, researching parts, earning the money to buy them, going through the shipping process, assembling the PC while taking the proper precautions for static and heat, installing the proper software, configuring both before and after the OS, and finally benchmarking it. Not even remotely the same thing. That's like saying jerking off in the shower is the same thing as being in a 10 year long love triangle. It's elitist. Stop looking through your prism, and look through a layman's. Also, computers have been around a long time, and the vast, vast majority of people still don't know shit about them. That includes most people I know that are younger than us. Cars have been around a lot longer than PCs and most people can't do that aforementioned oil change on their own. QUOTE I fail Finally, we agree on one statement you've made. ![]() My analogy is about your attitude. Yes, it is easy to build a PC, but for most people it isn't and yes, their perception counts as an obstacle. If we want the hobby to grow, it's better to help ease people into it than put up a "just fucking do it yourself or you're a moron" wall of elitism. QUOTE Perception != actual effort. What? Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 18 2014,12:23
QUOTE The mechanical ability required isn't that much. Now you're bringing in... QUOTE not the same as understanding that you can build a PC, teaching yourself the requirements, researching parts, earning the money to buy them, going through the shipping process, assembling the PC while taking the proper precautions for static and heat, installing the proper software, configuring both before and after the OS, and finally benchmarking it. All this other bullshit. QUOTE It's elitist. That appears to be your new favourite word. I don't know when "elitist" started to mean "not afraid to get my hands dirty doing things" or "learning kinesthetically." If someone wants to run away from new things instead of demystifying them, that's an internal problem causing them issues with external objects. It is not the fault of the object. This is the same bullshit argument I've heard from countless of students that didn't want to learn their fucking mathematics. "I'm not good with numbers." Math has been around for millennia, and people still haven't warmed up to it. The reason you're probably not any fucking good at it is because you haven't fucking practiced enough. I used to have that same attitude about music. Took my ass HUNDREDS of hours to match pitch. Six goddamn months. It was not a leisurely six months. Know how I learned? Fucking locked myself in a practice room with a piano and some sheet music. It was unpleasant, it was a huge time sink, and it was exponentially more effort than I've known other people to put into the subject matter for far less impressive results. It took me years to figure out how to harmonize on the fly. Need I go on? Point being, the psychological problems you have to overcome to increase your potential are internal and apply to you; don't hate on the inanimate object and wait for it to miraculously develop self-awareness and simplify itself. QUOTE Stop looking through your prism, and look through a layman's. Which would be ... you? You don't think I run into non-techies on a daily basis at work? QUOTE My analogy is about your attitude. Yes, it is easy to build a PC, but for most people it isn't and yes, their perception counts as an obstacle. If we want the hobby to grow, it's better to help ease people into it than put up a "just fucking do it yourself or you're a moron" wall of elitism. How about your attitude that PCs are such hideously complex beasts that no "average person" could ever fucking hope to set one up correctly? Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 18 2014,12:27
(Leisher @ Sep. 18 2014,14:12) QUOTE It's elitist. Stop looking through your prism, and look through a layman's. On the contrary, I think you are being incredibly elitist about how simple an oil change is. First you have to know where the oil drain is. Then you have to buy a wrench that will open it. You have to know what to do with the used oil, where the oil filter is located and how to remove it, how to reseat the new oil filter properly to avoid leaks, where to buy a new filter and how to pick which one to buy. Of course you'll also need to know where to put in the new oil and how much to use, not to mention making a decision about which weight of oil to select. And then there's all the other things that should happen as part of the oil change process, such as making sure the brake fluid isn't low and checking to see if the air filter needs changing and all sorts of other stuff someone who's never been under a hood will have no idea how to do. To someone who knows nothing about cars, changing the oil is absolutely as daunting as building a computer is to someone who knows nothing about computers. It's elitist. Stop looking through your prism, and look through a layman's. Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 18 2014,12:39
Srsly. I have no fucking clue how to change oil. I wouldn't even try it.Building a PC from scratch is easy in comparison. Posted by Stranger on Sep. 18 2014,12:41
You guys are making my point exactly! with a console you just go buy the damn thing, buy a game and put the cd in and play the mother fucker!!!How many single mothers are gonna take the time to learn how to build a PC for their kids just so they can claim to have superior processing power?!? Point is, you gotta learn whatever you wanna do in life and you will become good at it. We just all happen to be tech enthusiasts, so to us it's easy. Bottom line, consoles have their place in the market, just not maybe for us. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 18 2014,12:49
(TheCatt @ Sep. 18 2014,14:39) QUOTE Srsly. I have no fucking clue how to change oil. I wouldn't even try it. Building a PC from scratch is easy in comparison. There are garages that will teach you such things. It's not that hard. After 3 or 4 times, you won't believe you used to pay someone to do it. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 18 2014,12:49
QUOTE We just all happen to be tech enthusiasts, so to us it's easy. At one point, none of us were. Then we decided to start learning about shit that was interesting to us one day, you know, instead of cowering in fear of it like some unknowable angry techno-god. Posted by Stranger on Sep. 18 2014,13:01
The key word there is "interesting" we were interested in learning about it. Alot of people could give two shits about wanting to build a computer. Its just easier to buy a console and forget about it.Its like i could learn to cook a great rack of ribs, maybe the best ever to be enjoyed, and i can cook some. But i find it just easier to go down to the local bar and order up a rack and i enjoy every last bite of it. But some rib connoisseur would prolly tell me they were far inferior to his fine recipe, but i don't care, i still enjoyed it. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 18 2014,14:06
QUOTE I don't know when "elitist" started to mean "not afraid to get my hands dirty doing things" or "learning kinesthetically." It didn't and never has despite you trying to insist it does. I'm talking about how you're shitting on people for not having your knowledge or interests or even being just like you. (That's mostly Trooper's argument.) QUOTE If someone wants to run away from new things instead of demystifying them, that's an internal problem causing them issues with external objects. It is not the fault of the object. None of this applies to the topic at hand. You're trying to turn a label of your perception into a condemnation of those you look down upon because they might be afraid to enter your world. You're simply proving my point. QUOTE "I'm not good with numbers." Math has been around for millennia, and people still haven't warmed up to it. The reason you're probably not any fucking good at it is because you haven't fucking practiced enough. I used to have that same attitude about music. Took my ass HUNDREDS of hours to match pitch. Six goddamn months. It was not a leisurely six months. Know how I learned? Fucking locked myself in a practice room with a piano and some sheet music. It was unpleasant, it was a huge time sink, and it was exponentially more effort than I've known other people to put into the subject matter for far less impressive results. It took me years to figure out how to harmonize on the fly. Need I go on? Point being, the psychological problems you have to overcome to increase your potential are internal and apply to you; don't hate on the inanimate object and wait for it to miraculously develop self-awareness and simplify itself. Who are you talking to? Seriously, all of a sudden it's like you're talking directly to someone, and it's not me. Did I miss something? Also, there's a reason you spent all that time learning about music, you KNEW YOU COULD and you had the INTEREST. The majority of people on this planet have no clue they can build their own computers. How would they go about learning that? (When I say this, I mean in terms of them believing they have to buy them at a store like any other appliance.) People still call consoles "Nintendo" for fuck's sake. You're trying to add "effort" into a debate on "knowledge" and "interest". QUOTE Which would be ... you? You don't think I run into non-techies on a daily basis at work? Is that a question or a shot? I'm sure the non-techies at your office don't like dealing with you if this is the attitude you bring. That's not a shot, but a fact of being in IT. We tend to talk down to people without realizing it because we expect them to have knowledge they don't have, and it makes them afraid to ask questions. QUOTE How about your attitude that PCs are such hideously complex beasts that no "average person" could ever fucking hope to set one up correctly? At no point did I say anything like that. Saying that people with little to no technical knowledge don't know they can build a PC, are afraid to build a PC, and/or would have trouble building a PC does not equal or even come close to equaling: "no "average person" could ever fucking hope to set one up correctly". QUOTE On the contrary, I think you are being incredibly elitist about how simple an oil change is. First you have to know where the oil drain is. Then you have to buy a wrench that will open it. You have to know what to do with the used oil, where the oil filter is located and how to remove it, how to reseat the new oil filter properly to avoid leaks, where to buy a new filter and how to pick which one to buy. Of course you'll also need to know where to put in the new oil and how much to use, not to mention making a decision about which weight of oil to select. And then there's all the other things that should happen as part of the oil change process, such as making sure the brake fluid isn't low and checking to see if the air filter needs changing and all sorts of other stuff someone who's never been under a hood will have no idea how to do. To someone who knows nothing about cars, changing the oil is absolutely as daunting as building a computer is to someone who knows nothing about computers. It's elitist. Stop looking through your prism, and look through a layman's. Exactly my point. Thank you. QUOTE There are garages that will teach you such things. It's not that hard. After 3 or 4 times, you won't believe you used to pay someone to do it. QUOTE At one point, none of us were. Then we decided to start learning about shit that was interesting to us one day, you know, instead of cowering in fear of it like some unknowable angry techno-god. Society has taught us about garages and mechanics. Home PCs are still kind of new, and a lot of people still rely upon family or friends to repair them. Most people have no interest and part of that is fear. It's human nature. Some of it is laziness. (Exercise and eating healthy is about as straight forward as it gets, yet a whole lot of us don't...) We all act that way towards a majority of things in life. We're not all master chefs, PC builders, survivalists, expert marksmen, professional drivers, surgeons, dentists, mechanics, etc. We don't all have the same interests or even the same needs to feed our motivation towards learning certain tasks. But getting back to where this debate began... Are you guys really trying to say that console gamers are all just jocks and frat boys too stupid and/or lazy to build a machine that they can afford without question and should be aware that they can build whenever they're not having sex with multiple partners because we, as PC gamers, learned to do it while downloading tentacle porn? Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 18 2014,14:14
(Malcolm @ Sep. 18 2014,15:49) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Sep. 18 2014,14:39) QUOTE Srsly. I have no fucking clue how to change oil. I wouldn't even try it. Building a PC from scratch is easy in comparison. There are garages that will teach you such things. It's not that hard. After 3 or 4 times, you won't believe you used to pay someone to do it. I don't care to learn. My time is way more valuable. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 18 2014,17:31
I used to change my oil and my own brakes because paying someone to do something so easy was crazy and wasteful. I don't do either any more. Back then, I had more time than I did money. Now I have more money than I do time. I'd rather pay someone else to do it because I don't feel like it and have too many other things I want to do. And, taking care of the old oil is a pain in the ass. I have about 2 gallons of it stock piled in my garage right now because I do change the oil in my dirt bike myself. But only because taking it some place to have it done is > doing it myself. But, I have no idea when I will take care of the oil. If paying someone to come to my house to change my oil was an option, I would do it.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 18 2014,17:36
I would say building a PC is quite a few times more difficult than changing oil.... an oil change requires MAYBE 4 specific points of knowledge. Building a PC requires... I don't know.... knowing about 20 or so different things.I remember the first PC I built 2003ish. I was on the phone with Cake for like an hour in a near panic because there were so damned many parts, and he had built a PC before. But after that first time, no big deal. Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 18 2014,17:37
(Leisher @ Sep. 18 2014,16:06) QUOTE Exactly my point. Thank you. Ah hah! So you admit I am correct that building a PC is as easy as changing the oil in your car! I win! Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 18 2014,17:39
QUOTE Building a PC requires... I don't know.... knowing about 20 or so different things. Meh, these days you just need a mobo (probably with the CPU already attached), a drive, some ram, a power supply, and a case to put it in. And it's all plug and play. Just like someone doing their first oil change will let the guy at Autozone tell them what they need to buy for their car, someone building their first PC can let the guy at Fry's tell them which parts go together. It's equivalent. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 18 2014,17:43
(Stranger @ Sep. 18 2014,16:01) QUOTE The key word there is "interesting" we were interested in learning about it. Alot of people could give two shits about wanting to build a computer. Its just easier to buy a console and forget about it. Its like i could learn to cook a great rack of ribs, maybe the best ever to be enjoyed, and i can cook some. But i find it just easier to go down to the local bar and order up a rack and i enjoy every last bite of it. But some rib connoisseur would prolly tell me they were far inferior to his fine recipe, but i don't care, i still enjoyed it. Remember autoexec.bat and config.sys? I started teaching myself DOS 6.0 and Windows 3.1 back in 1993 when I had 4MB RAM and a 486SX25 and I had to make Windows boot itself more efficiently into HIMEM to make room in memory for the games I wanted to play. No big deal. :-D Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 18 2014,17:48
You had 4MB of RAM?Luxury! Posted by GORDON on Sep. 18 2014,17:51
(TPRJones @ Sep. 18 2014,20:39) QUOTE QUOTE Building a PC requires... I don't know.... knowing about 20 or so different things. Meh, these days you just need a mobo (probably with the CPU already attached), a drive, some ram, a power supply, and a case to put it in. And it's all plug and play. Just like someone doing their first oil change will let the guy at Autozone tell them what they need to buy for their car, someone building their first PC can let the guy at Fry's tell them which parts go together. It's equivalent. Buuuuuut You need to know AMD or Intel, get the appropriate mobo... knowing which ram fits that mobo and at what bus speed, which CPU is best utilized, which slot it has for a graphics card, then you have to look at NVidia or ATI, then you need to see which storage format you are working with (do they still make IDE hard drives?), and what speed SATA, and optical drives, and you have to be careful about grounding yourself when you are handling the circuit boards, and a little wisdom tells you to put electrical tape over the mobo mounting posts to avoid accidentally shorting yourself out when the board gets warm and expands, and power supplies, etc etc etc. An oil change is like, "See that thing? 1. That's the filter, twist it counter clockwise to remove and put a drop of oil around the gasket of the new filter before you put it on for easy removal in the future. 2. See that plug? Unscrew it and let the oil drain out. Make sure you put the plug back in when it is done draining and don't cross the threads. 3. Pour new oil in here. Hit your manual for how much and what kind, just check it against the dip stick to make sure it is actually the correct amount. You read it like *this.*" You can get into waste oil disposal and shit but that's just details. At this point, the oil is changed. 3 steps. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 18 2014,17:52
(TPRJones @ Sep. 18 2014,20:48) QUOTE You had 4MB of RAM? Luxury! HA. I was wating for that and the "I learned on the 8088 and fuck you" stuff. The first computer I ever touched was a TRS 80 Model III. I remember the first time I touched the keyboard. 10 print "steve" etc. Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 18 2014,18:23
Heh. This is going to sound like bullshit after that, but seriously I first learned to program in Fortran on punch cards. My father built the first computer at Stephen F. Austin University and I got to play with it at the age of five.Not very good programs, mind you, but they would run. QUOTE You can get into waste oil disposal and shit but that's just details. At this point, the oil is changed. 3 steps. Still don't see a difference. Sure you list a lot of details about what parts to get, but the same is true of an oil change. In both cases people get help from the person selling them stuff or learn it on their own. Same. Once you have the parts it's just 1. mount mobo (w/ pre-mounted CPU) in case 2. plug in memory and disk drive 3. plug in power supply and boot 'er up Done. You can get into video and audio cards and shit but that's just details. At this point, the computer works. 3 steps. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 18 2014,21:48
QUOTE None of this applies to the topic at hand. Bullshit. I gave a concrete example of something I sucked at and improved. It was because I kept ramming my head against what looked like an impossible wall. Catt's got a fine excuse for not wanting to know how to change his oil. Not worth his time. That's a practical reason. If someone has a similar motive for not building a desktop, then this doesn't apply. If you want to build one and you're holding off because it's too "difficult" and you're not making an attempt to learn how to do so, then I've got zero sympathy. Use your goddamned brain and at least try. One of your friends knows. Or knows someone who does. And if there's one thing a nerd enjoys, it's sharing the infinite amount of wisdom that resides in their own minds. QUOTE Learning does not stop until the lid on the coffin is closed. - Confucius QUOTE None of this applies to the topic at hand. You're trying to turn a label of your perception into a condemnation of those you look down upon because they might be afraid to enter your world. I'm not restricting my argument to the techie world. I gave a musical example. Let's see, more of them ... 1) When I was playing little league, I thought hitting left-handed was hard. 2) I also thought doing pickoffs sucked. 3) I thought writing left-handed was impossible. Until I broke my right arm. 4) I thought figuring musical intervals by ear was hard. 5) I thought figuring out the French language in high school was a bitch. They weren't things I necessarily enjoyed learning; but they weren't things I was going to let get in my fucking way, either, effort be damned. I had seen motherfuckers less able than myself do all these things. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 19 2014,06:30
QUOTE Bullshit. I gave a concrete example of something I sucked at and improved. It was because I kept ramming my head against what looked like an impossible wall. Catt's got a fine excuse for not wanting to know how to change his oil. Not worth his time. That's a practical reason. If someone has a similar motive for not building a desktop, then this doesn't apply. If you want to build one and you're holding off because it's too "difficult" and you're not making an attempt to learn how to do so, then I've got zero sympathy. Use your goddamned brain and at least try. One of your friends knows. Or knows someone who does. And if there's one thing a nerd enjoys, it's sharing the infinite amount of wisdom that resides in their own minds. But you're ignoring what everyone else is pointing out: There's got to be interest or necessity. Catt doesn't give 1/10th of a fuck about learning to change his car's oil. Cake has more money than time. I'm too lazy to change the oil in my car, but do all the engine work on my mower and weed whacker because it has to be done. If the interest or necessity isn't there for someone to build a PC, then why would they ever do it? That's before considering if they even have the knowledge to realize it can be done. Posted by Trooper on Sep. 20 2014,16:08
QUOTE I'm talking about how you're shitting on people for not having your knowledge or interests or even being just like you. (That's mostly Trooper's argument.) Not even close to my argument, you must not have read my posts 0.o I give up. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 20 2014,16:44
(Trooper @ Sep. 20 2014,19:08) QUOTE QUOTE I'm talking about how you're shitting on people for not having your knowledge or interests or even being just like you. (That's mostly Trooper's argument.) Not even close to my argument, you must not have read my posts 0.o I give up. QUOTE TRUE gamers, take the time and effort to build their machines, part by part. Most understand the inner workings of their rigs, and often take pride in the hard work they put into their masterpiece. You won't see a console gamer raving the power of their newly installed Nvidia 980 Maxwell GPU. . . . . Not a true gamer in my opinion. . . . Build your own rig, love and understand what it does. Then you can come to me and tell me your system is better than mine. Until then, console gaming will forever be, the poor mans excuse for a gaming machine. Get lost, noobs. ;D Ok. Posted by Trooper on Sep. 20 2014,17:01
Yes. I said a true gamer knows their system, and until they REALLY do, they should fuck back off to delusion world. . . . .QUOTE Build your own rig, love and understand what it does. Then you can come to me and tell me your system is better than mine. As posted by you: QUOTE EA's CTO is a fucking moron. He actually said: "The X-Box One is a generation ahead of the highest end PC on the market." Tell me again, who the elitest douche is? That's right, the console gamer. Just like the classic "Controllers are better" bullshit. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 20 2014,17:54
QUOTE I said a true gamer knows their system, and until they REALLY do... Consoles games can know their hardware down to the serial numbers. But my PC is 100x more adaptable and has a better physical UI. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 01 2015,11:43
< MS XBox head > bails.QUOTE But more importantly, Multerer's departure means that almost every single person on the Xbox One team we profiled last November when that console launched has now either left the company or been reassigned under new Xbox chief Phil Spencer. Microsoft's original vision of the Xbox One as a general-purpose living room platform has been drastically scaled back — Spencer is a games guy. Because when I think "long term" and "profitability" I immediately think "console gaming." Way better bet than PC gaming. QUOTE The renewed focus on gaming has led to short-term sales success, but consoles last a decade, and the long-term vision is no longer clear. That implies it once was. MS is so clueless, they couldn't find an STD in a Taiwanese whorehouse run by Tila Tequila. Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 28 2015,10:37
< Halo > tourney cancelled because the awesome XBox Live network still hasn't mastered connecting nodes to one another on demand.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 15 2015,11:29
< 360 compatibility! >Wish it had shipped this way. Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 15 2015,11:33
How many years did that shit take?
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 15 2015,11:42
I bet a dollar they could have done it since Day 1, but their long term plan was to release the console, let the initial sales level out, then release this "new" functionality 2 years later to spike interest again for late adopters.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 15 2015,12:49
(Malcolm @ Jun. 15 2015,14:33) QUOTE How many years did that shit take? 2 years. I only have room/care for 1 console. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 15 2015,12:52
If the great majority game developers allow their stuff to port over to XBone, which seems to be the only limit on compatibility, I may pull the trigger on it for my kid. He's going to need a BD player for the attic and that would be a good one.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 15 2015,12:55
(GORDON @ Jun. 15 2015,15:52) QUOTE If the great majority game developers allow their stuff to port over to XBone, which seems to be the only limit on compatibility, I may pull the trigger on it for my kid. He's going to need a BD player for the attic and that would be a good one. I'm a little curious as to why it doesn't "just work," and the developer has to opt in? Posted by GORDON on Jun. 15 2015,13:00
I assumed it was a licensing issue... developer was contracted to provide a game for XBox 360, not the One.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 15 2015,13:06
(TheCatt @ Jun. 15 2015,14:55) QUOTE (GORDON @ Jun. 15 2015,15:52) QUOTE If the great majority game developers allow their stuff to port over to XBone, which seems to be the only limit on compatibility, I may pull the trigger on it for my kid. He's going to need a BD player for the attic and that would be a good one. I'm a little curious as to why it doesn't "just work," and the developer has to opt in? Because MS can't make anything "just work." You have to jump through flaming razor-blade hoops of death and contort your mind to see things "their way" before you can use their tech. Posted by Vince on Jun. 15 2015,14:15
I know when the 360 came out, the original Xbox titles would work if the developers released a patch for them. Many of the more popular titles did this. I remember it being a relatively small patch in all the cases I remember. I'm wanting to say they had to write the hooks for the sound and audio for the new hardware in the 360, if memory serves.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 15 2015,14:24
(Vince @ Jun. 15 2015,16:15) QUOTE I know when the 360 came out, the original Xbox titles would work if the developers released a patch for them. Many of the more popular titles did this. I remember it being a relatively small patch in all the cases I remember. I'm wanting to say they had to write the hooks for the sound and audio for the new hardware in the 360, if memory serves. So ... IF all the dev studios that made the 360 games are still in biz and IF they want to drop resources on it? How many places would look at it and say, "Fuck it. We already gave them a game. We aren't updating shit?" Posted by Vince on Jun. 15 2015,15:40
A lot of the developers did so last time around. Not sure if it's the same situation this time, but it sounds like it. I know the Star Wars titles got patches and Bioware products did as well. They had a listing on their web site for a while by game name. It actually worked to the developers advantage if they were still around because they were able to package them as downloadable games for $5 or so two or three years later and make some additional cash of old titles.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 15 2015,15:43
(Vince @ Jun. 15 2015,17:40) QUOTE A lot of the developers did so last time around. Not sure if it's the same situation this time, but it sounds like it. I know the Star Wars titles got patches and Bioware products did as well. They had a listing on their web site for a while by game name. It actually worked to the developers advantage if they were still around because they were able to package them as downloadable games for $5 or so two or three years later and make some additional cash of old titles. I suppose. I can see MS making it suck, though. But I'm not a game dev. Posted by Vince on Jun. 15 2015,15:59
I won't say MS can't seriously dick stuff up, but I read through everything back in the day going from the original Xbox and the 360. As memory serves, MS actually tried to make an emulator for the 360 to run Xbox, but it just wasn't able to translate the code fast enough for it to work. So they made the a dev kit for the developers and worked pretty closely with them because people were pretty pissed. I remember I felt that MS was doing everything they could to help with it and ended up feeling more like the game devs dropped the ball when a game didn't get a port patch. A LOT of good will went to the developers from me that took the time and used the resources to throw a patch out there. At least from me.
Posted by Vince on Jun. 15 2015,16:03
Gobbily-goop from Wiki on they hows and the whysQUOTE How compatibility is achieved[edit]
According to Microsoft, each game needs an emulation profile to run. These profiles can be downloaded via the Xbox Live service or from Xbox.com and burned on CD or DVD recordable media. They are also routinely distributed as part of the content on the Official Xbox Magazine monthly discs (which were discontinued in 2012). The profiles are downloaded as a single bundle, and hence only need to be applied once per update (if doing so offline), or are automatically downloaded the first time a compatible game is inserted. The official Xbox 360 hard disk is required to play any of the games on this list. The hard disk is used not only to store the emulation software, but also to store saved games, store downloaded content, and to serve as a data cache for titles which utilize disk caching. The official Xbox 360 hard drive is required because counterfeit Xbox 360 hard drives do not have the required emulation software. Since games for the original Xbox were designed with the expectation that a hard drive would always be available, most titles rely heavily on the presence of one. An early version of the emulator for playing Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2 offline was included with the Xbox 360 hard drive at launch. Xbox 360 hard drives manufactured later include updated emulation profiles which allow a greater range of titles to be played out of the box without updating. Whenever new sets of emulation profiles are released, drives manufactured after that date automatically include the latest update. The original Xbox controller is not compatible with the Xbox 360, due to its different connector and its marginally different button layout. Specifically, the white and black buttons are not to be found on the 360 controller, having been replaced by the "bumpers" found above the left and right triggers. When playing an Xbox game on the Xbox 360 (using an Xbox 360 controller), the white button is mapped to the left bumper and the black button to the right. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 18 2015,13:50
QUOTE Will every Xbox 360 game eventually be available via backward compatibility? It's up to gamers to tell us what they want. We do all the work, but there is a little bit of work and part of that involves talking with the publisher and making sure that this is consistent with their goals for the game as well. So, as gamers ask us, we will deliver. ie. Do they want to rape their customers for more money? Posted by Leisher on Oct. 15 2015,06:16
< Hilarious article about a guy's experience with the X-Box One. >
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 15 2015,09:42
QUOTE No. Enough. Dumping more time and money on this piece of trash will not redeem it. Great, we are getting him one for xmas. Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 15 2015,10:04
Fuck consoles.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 02 2015,16:37
My kid's is currently under my desk. I plan on breaking it out, installing his games, and getting everything patched up prior to Christmas so hopefully he can just plug it in on the 25th and just start playing.Bought this version: < http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16868105152 > And also a couple games that are XBone exclusives. 3 of his friends are also getting XBones on xmas, so they will all be able to play together. I can't help but be reminded of the times I told Cake that MY KID WONT BE PLAYING CONSOLES, HE WILL BE OUT PLAYING BASEBALL WITH HIS FRIENDS. Turns out kids dont go outside and play any more, they are all on XBox Live. All of them. Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 02 2015,17:02
You want him to play with his friends, that's where his friends are. If he went outside to play baseball he'd be the only one there.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 02 2015,17:23
I kinda want to buy my kids an XBone. But I dont know what actual games they would care about.
Posted by Paul on Dec. 03 2015,07:16
I have an Xbone.For kids, I'd recommend Minecraft. Heck, I've had many hours of fun with Minecraft. Star Wars Battlefront is popular with the PVP crowd, as is Halo 5. I haven't played the new Battlefront, but Halo is pretty cool (I only do story mode, not PVP). My main game is Destiny. The problem I see with being a new player in Destiny though, is that teamwork is required for a lot of stuff that has no automatic matchmaking. This would make it really hard for a new player who wants to do the early raids or any of the Prison of Elders stuff because most players nowadays are high level and have no need to do those things. (I go to DestinyLFG.com to find players, or DestinyLFG.net, but most listings are for the new raids/missions/Nightfalls not the old stuff) The Xbone is starting to implement backwards compatibility with certain Xbox 360 games (though an emulator). I only have about 2 of the 100+ titles that are currently available for backwards compatibility (they need permission from the game owners to allow compatibility). One of the Xbone people did hint at the possibility of original Xbox games being available for play on the Xbone in the future. That reminds me, the Halo: Master Chief Collection has Hale 1-4, which is great for nostalgia. I only played part way through the original Halo before getting distracted by other games. I really liked how you could push a button to switch back and forth between the original and the updated graphics. I don't remember Halo being *that* bland on the original Xbox. What I didn't like were the button configurations. Halo 5 uses the same configuration as Destiny, but Halo 1 doesn't have an "aim" button, so every time I try to aim I throw a grenade and blow myself up. Posted by Paul on Dec. 03 2015,14:47
< Halo >. Get the boy Halo.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 03 2015,15:22
I think we already have.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2015,09:23
(GORDON @ Dec. 02 2015,19:37) QUOTE My kid's is currently under my desk. I plan on breaking it out, installing his games, and getting everything patched up prior to Christmas so hopefully he can just plug it in on the 25th and just start playing. So this is what I am doing today. Powered up, set the settings, and entered in his XBox Gold info: about 10 minutes. Ran updates on the XBone OS: about 30 minutes. Installed the game it came with, Gears of War Ultimate Edition, and that took about an hour to install and update. Then it won't launch, I get an error code, and xbox.com says if you get that code then you got a corrupted update, and uninstall/reinstall. So I am currently uninstalling. So far... meh. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 16 2015,10:27
I can't understand why Sony and Nintendo keep kicking their ass.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2015,10:35
Second time installing Gears worked.Each time DLing the update was 5.4GB of data. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 16 2015,10:55
(Malcolm @ Dec. 16 2015,13:27) QUOTE I can't understand why Sony and Nintendo keep kicking their ass. Because they're not? The WiiU has done terribly. Nintendo is already building their next console and have even discussed licensing their games (Mario, Zelda, etc.) to other systems. The PS4 is beating the X-Box One, but not by as large a gap as the 360 beat the PS3. End of the day, it really doesn't matter because the PC trumps all of them, and for anyone stupid enough to argue that, remind them that their precious consoles are nothing more than dumbed down PCs. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2015,10:58
I still can't believe XBox Gold was a success.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 16 2015,11:13
You mean X-Box Live? I enjoyed watching it fail spectacularly on PCs.Honestly, it's just due to ignorance and convenience. I don't mean ignorance in a mean way either. Folks just don't know how much more PCs offer for gaming. And it's pretty nice to walk up to a console, throw in a disc, and just play. Of course, that gap is closing dramatically as people struggle with the new trend of downloading games. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2015,11:21
Live... Gold... not sure which is which, as my kid is the xbox genius in the house... I just know that his one buddy can't get on voice chat with them because he doesn't have Live Gold, or whatever it is called.Fucking voice chat. Can't do it for free. Insane. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 16 2015,11:37
XBox Live.Silver is the free level. Gold is what you pay for, and yes, it's fucking insane that people pay for something that's free. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2015,11:39
And that's the part that baffles me as to why it has been successful. My only experience is that all the kids have been using XBox 360, and they want to multi, so more Live-Gold time is a typical birthday/xmas present from gramma.
Posted by Stranger on Dec. 16 2015,12:12
You know what's even worse than having an Xbox live account? Having TWO Xbox Live accounts!!Yep, in my house both of the older boys have their own Xbox, a 360 and a ONE, and of course they both have their own Xbox live accounts... Oh yeah, and they both have to have the latest version of Call of Duty, so TWO versions of each of those games too!! This doesn't even mention the Xbox points they need for some stupid map pack. My wife and I refuse to pay for Xbox live anymore, they either ask for it on their birthdays or Christmas or pay it themselves. Which is just money that they so called "earned" from doing chores. Either way, I end up having to pay for it in the end. I have played League for 4 years or so now and I know that I have kept my total in game purchases under $150. Kids now pay that for each Call of Duty Game and map packs that come out every 6 months! So glad I made the switch to PC a few years back. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2015,12:24
Took about 4 hours just to update the box, install the 3 games that game with it, and download updates for them.Also installed Plex but that only took 3 minutes. So at least he will be able to skip that on xmas when a million other kids are trying to update at the same time. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2015,12:27
(Stranger @ Dec. 16 2015,15:12) QUOTE You know what's even worse than having an Xbox live account? Having TWO Xbox Live accounts!! Yep, in my house both of the older boys have their own Xbox, a 360 and a ONE, and of course they both have their own Xbox live accounts... Oh yeah, and they both have to have the latest version of Call of Duty, so TWO versions of each of those games too!! This doesn't even mention the Xbox points they need for some stupid map pack. My wife and I refuse to pay for Xbox live anymore, they either ask for it on their birthdays or Christmas or pay it themselves. Which is just money that they so called "earned" from doing chores. Either way, I end up having to pay for it in the end. It's insane, and I think it's the answer to my question: people aren't making the best economic decision for themselves, xbox marketed the entire concept to kids, and now xbox money is all they want for xmas. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 18 2015,13:16
< Microsoft is going to slash prices up to 50% off X-Box Ones starting December 22nd. >
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 18 2015,14:21
I doubt that consoles are included. From the Microsoft websiteQUOTE Save up to 40-60% on daily and weekly Xbox game deals While that could include XBone... I'm guessing it doesn't. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 26 2015,11:09
Kid is playing it. It's good that I spent several hours updating the easy stuff a couple weeks ago, because the kid put in the newest HALO game that he wanted to play, and it took about 10 hours to update. I hope that's just because it was xmas and 10k other kids were trying to do the same thing at the same time.I don't know how I feel about the interface, yet. The XBox 360/One interface is pretty much a series of tabs you scroll through left to right, a clunkier version of the PS3's interface. The difference between Microsoft's system and Sony's system as that 90% of the tabs on the XBox are about 80% advertising. I've spent about 5 hours working with it and it doesn't yet feel... efficient. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 26 2015,11:18
MS fucked up a user interface? The hell you say.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 26 2015,11:27
On the one hand, you're obviously a gamer and the ads are targeted right at what you like.On the other hand, on most screens 80% of the screen real estate are these ads. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 01 2016,06:05
< EA accidentally reveals X-Box One sales numbers. >35 to 19 million. Wow. If only Microsoft could have saved all that money and invested in a really good gaming system that blows the PS4 away. Something where they'd already have the upper hand. Too bad nothing like that exists... Posted by Paul on Feb. 01 2016,08:35
(GORDON @ Dec. 26 2015,14:09) QUOTE I don't know how I feel about the interface, yet. The XBox 360/One interface is pretty much a series of tabs you scroll through left to right I don't like the Xbone's interface. It was easier to do things on the 360. If I get an invite (chat or game) and I don't immediately open it I have to go to the main menu, tab over to the start menu, open Notifications, click on the party or game section, then accept the invite. I prefer the 360 where a menu pops over your game screen and you can click on it there. Oh, and if you have a bunch of people in your party (7 or so) some of party options are too low to see. I know that leaving the party is the bottom option so when I want to leave I have to keep pressing down until I figure I'm at the last option, and click it. Posted by Paul on Feb. 05 2016,11:43
Gordo, I don't know if you bought mini-Gordo a Gold account, but if you did makes sure you use it to buy the monthly free games for both the Xbone and the 360. Many of the 360 games are (or will become) backwards compatible.Zheros (Xbone) might be good for a kid. On Tuesday Gears of War 2 will be free on the 360, but it's playable on the Xbone. I basically "buy" any of the free Games-With-Gold titles I think I might be interested in. I don't install most of them though. Since I own the title, I can download it any time I want and I don't want to clutter my HD's with stuff I'll probably never play. I find it easier to buy them from the website: < http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/games-with-gold > Posted by GORDON on Feb. 05 2016,11:52
Good advice. I think he already does, but I will make sure. There's no reason I should be the only one in the house to have a list of shame of unplayed games.
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