Forum: Games Topic: League of Legends started by: Cakedaddy Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 27 2012,22:29
FINALLY won a game. Singed, Noc and Veigar. We played against Yi, Nunu and Pantheon. Pantheon was giving me trouble early game with his poking spiky move and his spear throwing. But, I've learned that with champs like that, I run above and hang out with the dragon. They don't know I'm there, but I gain all the XP from my minions killing theirs. I obviously am not getting the gold, but I'm not falling being in levels either. It works really well. I still get a decent farm though too. Especially if they are being smart and letting the minions fight and take last hits. By the time his minions got to our turret, I was able to use spells and stuff to kill them outside of turret range and get a lot of gold. He'd still hit me, but not enough to make it dangerous. Singed and Viegar where holding their own, I think. We traded a few ganks as well. Eventually, Yi ended up top and Panth went bottom. Yi was trying to farm the jungle as I started. I'd pick my fights and try to get him. Won 3, lost 2 fights. Then a couple of team fights later, I had a slight edge after getting some key items. Then he couldn't fight me any more. I could easily take him 1v1. And with him dead, the rest were easy to handle.That being said, there was one team fight where they aced us. We came down to hit one of them, but they wandered off before we got there and then there was another in site, so we swtiched, then reverse that again. So, anyway, they were presenting gank opportunities and we were trying to grab one. By the time we initiated, we had missed the window and it was a 3v3 that we ended up in about .5 seconds after starting to try to gank Nunu. It was over pretty quickly. Nunu was dead and Singed was running from a fully healed Yi with Noc and Viegar dead. Gordon fell quickly to Yi. It was a 3 to 1 exchange. We took their tank and they took our whole team. I of course pointed out in chat "That's what happens when we focus their tank, and they focus our squishies". You can argue that our squishies were too close to the fight or something. But, the tanks locked and Panth and Yi both used abilities and were on Viegar and I before we had a chance to lock a spell. In the confusion (Nunu was the target), we were dropping spells on Nunu because we didn't even have time to change targets. They killed us FAST. So, ya. Our tanks lock, their two melee jump the line and focus me, then Veigar. It was all over in about 4 seconds. But, at least we got their tank. Oh, we lost two turrets in that fight as well as their carries pushed without their tank. But, luckily it was one of those games where as long as we didn't do anything stupid like that again, we were going to win. We had them pinned back in their base, we are farming hard, and then we take their bottom lane. Singed and Veigar go top, I went to carry our minions in from the bottom. Fighting started at top and Yi came down to stop me. I chewed him up pretty quickly and hit him with my spell on his steps to kill him. Veigar died. I killed their nexus turret while the fighting was still going on up top. I'm guessing Singed was almost dead and they weren't paying attention. I was hitting their Nexus when Nunu showed up. I was contemplating suiciding the nexus, but figured it would be better to make another run after healing instead of waiting to respawn if I failed. He charged after me. Between me and the minions, he was dying. He popped a heal while running to his stairs. I caught him and killed him. Finished the nexus. From this story, it sounds like it was all me baby! But it wasn't. This is just what I saw. :-) Best bit of team work I've seen out of us in a while. Scooty played Viegar well, but, we couldn't use him to his full potential. At this point, I know when Gordon is playing Singed, he's going to be doing his thing. The same thing he does every game. So, I anticipate and try to compliment it. With Scooty, it was always a surprise stun circle that change the dynamic of the fight. So, I'm starting to click to get away from a fight that I'm going to JUST lose. Then BAM, the enemy is stunned. Oh, shit, double back and try to get the last hit in before he last hits me kind of thing. Having a regular Veigar, I would grow to anticipate the circle rather than be surprised by it buy myself an extra fraction of a second to take advantage of the advantage. Plus, I forget about Veigar's spells. Yay! They're stunned! I'm going to go for that hurt one. Then I see the hint that Viegar's nuke spell is coming to finish him. But, I'm not used to it and don't REALLY notice it. Just as I get to the enemy, BOOM, he's dead. Oh, nice, now I'll hit this other hurt one. Stun is over and they are running. Being able to see who Scooty is hitting and anticipating that champ is going to die, I can focus on the next one and start to fear/stun and do damage on them. So, point is, learning flow and stuff with teammates playing familiar champions is invaluable. By the way, I'm going to make sure he reads this since I'm kind of preaching to the choir right now. It was a good game. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 28 2012,08:07
![]() Posted by GORDON on Feb. 28 2012,17:00
I just worked out a Singed build that, when fully built, gives me 650 AP that keeps climbing, 950+ point flips, and melee attacks that do 250-400+ damage.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 29 2012,11:15
Patch today.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 01 2012,07:40
Last night wasn't totally frustrating. I'll take 3-1 every time. What did suck was the last game, and as I stated, I think we got a little complacent after rolling through the first three teams. We had guys chasing for kills, running out from under our turret, we weren't pushing as a team, there was very little ganking for our team, not a lot of team work, etc. I knew we were losing that game as soon as I saw their team. There was just something about it that told me they knew what they were doing. That was a game where we needed to live, not get kills, but we failed. We were too aggressive, and playing very individual games. The bright side is everyone seemed to agree, so I think we can make the proper adjustments. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 01 2012,07:47
I don't like the excuses."We could have used you in the middle instead of at blue" "We were dead and couldn't get there." If you could get to blue, you could have gotten to us. Why they decided to get blue instead of helping two teammates in a fight is beyond me. I was not without mistakes. But I'm not going to make excuses. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 01 2012,08:16
By the way, I did see an interesting counter strategy for jungling in a YouTube video. Essentially, you have 3 of our team go into their jungle and kill their ghosts. Then we head back and do blue. Odds are, they'll be at their blue, and if we steal their ghosts, I guess it fucks up their normal pattern of jungling and slows them down. Thoughts? Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 01 2012,11:18
Any time someone takes something from my jungle, it slows me down. But, it doesn't shut me down. The ghosts and wolves respawn very quickly. I kill the ghosts, then the golems, then the red buff, and by that time, the ghosts are there again. Taking their blue is the biggest thing. You take that, and they have mana issues. But that only slows them down a small amount too. Way more than the ghosts though. Making sure we get the blue is key though. And if we score a kill, then bonus. Any time I'm counter jungled like that, having my team respond and stopping them is mandatory. In fact, any time I've stolen the blue, it's been a whole team effort. All five of us have hid in the small patch of weeds in the water. After the blue spawns, we waited a couple seconds, then went in. We targeted the enemy champs, not the blue. Let them have that kill. If we kill them, we still get the blue. So enemy champs are primaries. Stun, slow and keep them from retreating to their middle turrets. But I'm down for trying it. And easier steal would be their red. No one ever protects the red.Also, to get a small boost. If we aren't wrapped up in a blue steal event, our top lane should kill the golems as soon as they spawn. They should be able to have them dead before the minions make it up to the middle of that lane and they would respawn before the jungler made it over to them. So, the top lane would get a couple extra points of xp/gold. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 03 2012,23:30
Am I wrong trying to make Scootie play from a smaller pool of champions?
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 03 2012,23:54
It's fun to play all the champions and experience different play styles.On your own. A professional baseball pitcher doesn't decide he is going to play 3rd base for a while, for a change of pace. Everyone has their specialty, and everyone on the team is expected to play their position. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 04 2012,11:12
Just played a TT with some randoms. I'm going to go ahead and say that I am an expert noc on TT. WRECKED the other team. Went top against Xin. Teammates Teemo and Talon took bottom against Nunu and Jax. Xin can beat me up early game with his jump hit, bounce hit stuff. So, I have to play cautious. I do my 'hang out with dragon for xp' trick and keep leveling with him. I get a good farm by stopping his minions just outside my turret range. He never engages because I'm too close to my turret. So I'm still getting decent last hits on minions. At level 4, I fight back. We both have exhaust and I let him use his first. I fear, etc and I just barely win. First blood. I continue to farm the minions and get my fast boots and lantern. Then I start owning the jungle. Xin never makes an attempt to counter jungle. I'm racking up the levels and gold. I kill Xin again. Bottom lane is holding their own, but Teemo is leading in deaths. I start making my way down for ganks and beat up the enemies down there very easily considering I'm almost twice their level. I don't kill them all, but they are retreating on sight now. I keep farming like a mad man and extend my level lead. When I hit level 18, the highest enemy is 13. The other two are 11. I can now fight two at a time and win. I start pushing turrets while the enemy tries to fight my teammates that are closer in levels to them. Game continues and we win. I went 8/2/3. Our total kill count was 12. What's awesome, are the stats. I did 200k points in damage. The entire other team did 150k. My teammates did a total of 95k. Farmed 12.3k in gold. Everyone else was 6.7k, except Jax at 4.7k (who said Xin sucked at the end of the game). I was level 18. Teammates were 15. Enemies were 13, 14, 15. Jax was 13 (who said Xin sucked).I turret dove Nunu at the end. We were both full health, no minions either side. He did his ult, under the turret. Kept fighting. My life steal was healing about 75% of the damage I was taking. He started running toward his spawn. I started taking a lot of damage because I wasn't hitting him any more. My fear caught him as I got out of their inhib turret range. It's not hitting me and I heal off Nunu as I kill him. My teammates finish the turret I had been fighting under and we win the game after that. I was awesome. :-) Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 04 2012,22:46
See post above. 3 more games just like it. Was called OP in one game. Another game I was asked if Noc got a buff recently.7/2/1 - Game was over very quickly. 13/3/6 - I was "OP" 15/5/4 - "Did Noc get a buff?" : "Not that I'm aware of" : "Good job man" (That was from the enemy mid game). A noc up top is as good as a Trynd up top. Ya, I said that. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 05 2012,06:14
Cakedaddy loves him some him.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 05 2012,13:35
How long has Ionic Spark been in the game? +50% attack speed, 250 health and every fourth basic attack deals 110 magic damage to up to 4 targets. I'm going to be trying this with Noc.And add two more games. One like the above games, the last one was a bit tougher. Was playing against a Volibear that gave me a run for my money. He was fast as hell and did a ton of damage. Plus he was so damn hard to kill with that healing thing he's got when he's low. So, I didn't get my mega level lead I normally do. But later game, I was able to take him and he was the only thing his team had. He stole the dragon from me mid game and said "Thanks for the dragon noc." So that just made me work harder with my team to make sure we won. They listened pretty well too. We were pinned in our base for a little while. Told them to stay under turrets, etc. Then me and Naut were able to kill Voli, then Lux. Shaco almost got away but I ulted for the ace. We pushed their base too hard. Took their middle turret, but they aced us back. Voli and Shaco charged our base but paused to clear minions. Just as they took out our inhib (the inhib turret had fallen a while ago), Naut respawned and was able to keep them off our nexus turret. We went back to defense. I was dropping wards all over the place so I had a good idea where they all were. I was in the upper jungle when Voli charged and was tanking our top inhib turret. I pinged him and saw Vayne responding. Saw Lux in the area too. I charged in when Voli was half health and between Vayne and I, he went down. I killed Lux lifestealing back to high health. Shaco got caught and we killed him pretty quickly. Then we ran for their base to hit their nexus. Naut went bottom for some reason. But Vayne and I killed the nexus pretty quickly. I of course thanked Voli for the win. At one point, a team mate said "Now what?" when we were getting split pushed. I gave some suggestions, they listened and we held them out of our base. Point being, they were good teammates who were willing to follow a leader. Rare when playing with randoms. Posted by Guest on Mar. 05 2012,19:52
My 5 Champions include:Poppy -AD Carry -AP Veigar -AP Speed -AP Burst Pantheon -AD Burst Nidalee -AD -AP Caitlyn -AD Carry Builds AP Poppy < http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/ad-poppy-190590 > AD Carry Poppy < http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/ad-carry-poppy-190625 > AP Speed Veigar < http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/ap-veigar-190630 > AP Burst Veigar < http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/ap-burst-veigar-190633 > Pantheon Burst AD < http://www.mobafire.com/league-....-190636 > Still working on the others. Will post up when finished. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 05 2012,21:44
Tonight's lesson for our opponents: Don't talk shit unless you can back it up.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 05 2012,21:56
(Leisher @ Mar. 06 2012,00:44) QUOTE Tonight's lesson for our opponents: Don't talk shit unless you can back it up. One of my fave wins ev4r. Posted by Guest on Mar. 05 2012,22:10
Nidalee AD Cougar< http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/ad-cougar-190655 > AP Nidalee Spears < http://www.mobafire.com/league-....-190657 > Caitlyn AD Carry < http://www.mobafire.com/league-....-190658 > Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 05 2012,22:11
I like how we are responding to situations as a team. When one is in trouble, we react instead of continuing to do what we were using the excuse "I was too far away to do anything". We may not save everyone, but we often finish what our teammate started so it wasn't a total loss. There were only a couple instances where someone was left high and dry by a retreating teammate who didn't broadcast his actions. Someone's in trouble, tell them where to run so you can help. You are in trouble, call out your location so people can respond. Falling back from a fight, say it. Heading into a fight that someone just started, announce it so that person knows to keep fighting, even if they are losing, because they have backup coming. Etc. And, if you are pulling away to get a buff, clear another lane, etc, make sure your team knows. So they know they are a man short and they know where you are if you need help.Our team responses to situations has REALLY changed things. Always respond. Even if you think it's hopeless. They may have a flash, or a ghost, or a heal, or the enemy might lag, or miss a spell, etc, etc allowing that teammate a couple extra seconds to run. But then, a response isn't always 'take on the whole other team by yourself to save him' either. :-) Create a presence giving them something to think about. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 05 2012,22:12
AP spears WRECK opponents. As long as you can land them of course.
Posted by Guest on Mar. 05 2012,22:18
(Cakedaddy @ Mar. 05 2012,22:12) QUOTE AP spears WRECK opponents. As long as you can land them of course. Hence the two Rabadons! Wreck doesn't even begin to describe the Pwnage. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 06 2012,10:26
So I was thinking about the 5 champ rule, and trying to figure out my champs.So far, here's what I've got: AD Miss Fortune - Screw those rankings that don't have her higher up the list, I'm having a ball with her. AP Teemo (Super) - At first I played him AD, then I moved to AP, but was only ok. Then played against a kick ass Teemo and stole his build. Now I've been doing some really good mid and late game damage with him. AD Tryndamere - The LoL equivalent of a middle finger. AP Cho'Gath - The most annoying character in the game according to some. And from there, I'm stuck. So I declare that I don't have a 5th at the moment. I'm open to suggestions. I've played Twitch before, but he's broken. Although, that might change with the upcoming invisibility rework. Lately, I've given Heimerdinger, Mundo, Shaco, and Nautilus runs. Ashe is always an easy jump, but Cake plays her well. I'm looking at Graves (a natural AD fit), and Ahri (a mid laner) this week, and keeping an eye on Fiora. Thoughts? Oh, is anyone out tonight? If everyone's playing I'll play, but I'm hoping we miss a night tonight, tomorrow, or Thursday. Let me know when folks might not make it and let's plan a night off. I hate getting on thinking we're playing and then nobody shows. Posted by Guest on Mar. 06 2012,11:14
Hey Leisher copy and paste that here: < League of Legends 5 Champion Roster >And let me know what you think about my Teemo idea in that post, seeing as you've actually got him on your list i figured i might see if you'd be willing to try it? I can get a MobaFire page built so you can see exactly what you'd be trying, but I'm sure you'll get the idea. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 06 2012,11:33
QUOTE Hey Leisher copy and paste that here: League of Legends 5 Champion Roster And let me know what you think about my Teemo idea in that post, seeing as you've actually got him on your list i figured i might see if you'd be willing to try it? I can get a MobaFire page built so you can see exactly what you'd be trying, but I'm sure you'll get the idea. Done. By the way, Cake, I loved seeing double top go steal red from a team with a jungler. I think that should be our new thing if we don't have a jungler. Or even just start the jungler over there with his escorts? Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 06 2012,15:01
Hit hit me harder than I thought it would and almost died to it. Could have pulled off earlier, but that would have meant the AD carry was taking damage. Which I guess would be ok. But ya. I liked it too. Worked out for us.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 06 2012,16:10
We need to start playing games where champs are banned and stuff. Start getting a feel for that.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 07 2012,09:39
From a tribunal report where the reported player was talking trash:QUOTE Reported: my ***** is so big that he goes to A from Z in the key board Now look at your keyboard... P.S. If we're going to continue to do draft mode, we need to create a list of champs we want banned. My list right now would be: Rammus Morgana Ziggs Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 07 2012,10:03
I don't have a problem with that list. We should make it 10 deep though for when they simply don't have Ziggs, etc. So, from there, I'd add:Amumu Beyond that, hard to say. There aren't many champs that I hate seeing on the other team. It's not until they are played really well and they own us that I wish they were banned. Champs that when they are played well we don't have a counter for: Kayle Udyr Kaitlyn Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 07 2012,10:04
Anyone make a note of who the other team was banning?
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 07 2012,10:15
QUOTE Kayle Udyr Kaitlyn Maybe past those first three we go with who the popular choices are for banning? Because I don't agree with any part of that list. One Kayle in 500 games kicked ass. One Udyr in 500 games. I don't ever remember a Kaitlyn owning. Doing well? Yes. Owning? Not so much. Remember that really kick ass Swain we saw that one time? Other than him, they've all been ridiculously manageable. So I wouldn't ban him. you're going to face players who can take champions to awesome levels, but that doesn't mean you should ban that champ. You've done awesome with Noc lately on TT, but I guarantee he's never banned. I went 21/2/10 in our second game last night, but I guarantee that team wasn't saying, "Next game, let's ban Miss Fortune." So I think our list shouldn't be about who has owned us, but which champs give us trouble EVERY time we see them thanks to their unique abilities. Amumu Rammus Morgana Ziggs They all fit that criteria. Off hand, I'm not sure who else does...? I'd say Lee Sin does too, but is that more a TT thing? Ahri? Irelia? Akali?Blitzcrank? Heimerdinger? Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 07 2012,10:23
I disagree with Kayle. Last 5 times I've seen her, she's dominated. So, 500 games, yes, I agree with you. But a smaller, recent sample is the opposite. Not sure if she got buffed recently or what. But she's come out of her shell. . .
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 07 2012,10:39
I like the idea of banning Soraka. I think I saw her in all 3 games last night (at least 2, for sure), and in all the games she completely shut down Singed's flip with her silence. MAYBE Soraka wasn't in the 2nd game... and that was the game in which Singed did well.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 07 2012,18:22
You could also switch lanes and/or buy that armor thing that blocks enemy abilities. I think it only does it once every 45-60 seconds. But still.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 07 2012,20:04
(Cakedaddy @ Mar. 07 2012,21:22) QUOTE You could also switch lanes and/or buy that armor thing that blocks enemy abilities. I think it only does it once every 45-60 seconds. But still. Well then remember that, and then everybody laughs when I suggest I solo mid with Singed. I'm just suggesting that it isn't coincidence we saw Soraka in most/all of the 3 games we played last night. Soraka shuts down AP characters. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 07 2012,20:39
I nEVER laugh at you.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 07 2012,21:46
Pro Tip: Always make sure you have the proper masteries and runes selected!!!!P.S. Next time instead of another Deathcap, I'm buying a Staff of the Void. +70 magic penetration plus whatever ability points (I think 80) Posted by Guest on Mar. 08 2012,00:18
QUOTE Pro Tip: Always make sure you have the proper masteries and runes selected!!!! Just wanted to point out that the 3 or so draft pick games we played last night, i had no masteries or rune pages. When i had reinstalled all my steam games WoW and League to move to my D:\ drive, i didn't realize that all my pages would be reset... ![]() Second just wanted to apologize for my poor play that evening, with the missing runes and masteries on top of just a slightly different style of game and players/stratagies (NEVER have a seen a team coordinated enough to attempt that blue gank), i was just having a bad night gaming wise and did not play very well as far as team coordination. My mind just wasn't in the game, wasn't focused/paying attention to what was going on around the map. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 08 2012,16:00
Word.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 09 2012,06:27
I will be on tonight.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 09 2012,07:38
(Leisher @ Mar. 09 2012,09:27) QUOTE I will be on tonight. On this, the birthday of your trophy wife? Posted by Leisher on Mar. 09 2012,08:16
Indeed. She got her birthday shag, I'm taking her to lunch, then she's going shopping while I take the kids home to nap (while I finish off Bioshock 2). I'll also help her out tonight when Jillian has some girls over for pizza and play. Then I'm leaving her to watch her stories while we crush our enemies, see them driven before us, and enjoy the lamentations of their women.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 09 2012,11:09
(Leisher @ Mar. 09 2012,11:16) QUOTE Indeed. She got her birthday shag... While you were at work, I assume? Posted by Leisher on Mar. 09 2012,12:32
Correct. I don't want to sleep with her. I'm married to her. That's gross. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 09 2012,13:27
(Leisher @ Mar. 09 2012,11:16) QUOTE Then I'm leaving her to watch her stories while we crush our enemies, see them driven before us, and enjoy the lamentations of their women. I too will be on tonight, though it may be a little later. Insert whatever "spending time with the wife/eating a late dinner/cleaning my vagina" excuse you guys usually use. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 09 2012,13:55
(Leisher @ Mar. 09 2012,15:32) QUOTE Correct. I don't want to sleep with her. I'm married to her. That's gross. On Facebook she wrote "Thanks everyone! I had a yummy lunch with (Leisher) and the twins and then went shopping all by myself!" I was soooo tempted to comment, "So I heard you got a birthday shag." That would have been so funny. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 09 2012,14:52
I will be on later too. I'm working.Was trying to create a funny group of quotes leading to me telling you you're welcome for giving your wife the shag, but it wasn't going to be very funny so I abandoned it. So, just know that I tried, but got lazy halfway through. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 09 2012,23:50
As far as draft mode. Gordon said he didn't like it because we weren't doing well in it. I said that it was because we were playing like shit. Our team builds aren't that different in the draft games than it is in regular. Our jungler was 0/3/0 and Leisher can't hold top and is BEGGING for a gank that just won't come. Bottom for both teams was farming and leveling well. Except, when team fights/roaming started, they did a WAY better job of it. I fell behind in levels because I kept anticipating things wrong. Gordon seemed like he was playing Ryze like he was Singed and was WAY too close to the front lines. I don't think any of that had anything to do with draft mode. We played like ass.However, it did point out one major weakness. Some of us are WAY out of practice on our secondary champs. We've been playing for 500 instead of building a team. I said tonight that I think I am as good at Ashe, Noc and Maokai as I'm going to be. I'm not claiming expert. I'm saying that I can play all of them as good as I possibly can. I'm not going to lose some Noc effectiveness because it's been a while since I've played him. Brand and Fiddle. . . I have a TON of room for improvement on them. So, I guess we have to decide, are we chasing 500, or are we building a competitive team? Ronnie says we have to pick a role and master it. He's going to be the jungler, I would be the tank, Leisher would carry, etc. Then, we only play characters that fit in that role. I disagree because we aren't always on at the same time. When he's not around, I jungle, etc. Plus, although I like to be competitive, I also consider myself a casual player and don't want this to be my job. I like playing different characters and roles. But, if the team decides we should be role specific, I'm all for it. But, I would also request that the team picks your role instead of you. Ronnie's not the best jungler. He has his games. . . but more often than not, he's just adequate. He jungles about as good as I Brand. Very inconsistent. Not doing a good job, but better than having an AFK. I have no idea where you guys would put me. I think I play Noc WAY better than Ashe, but you guys are always asking for Ashe. I think I do pretty good as Maokai, but Leisher has implied he's seen better. . . So, I have no idea where you'd put me. Anyways, that's my summary of this evening. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 10 2012,09:46
QUOTE On Facebook she wrote "Thanks everyone! I had a yummy lunch with (Leisher) and the twins and then went shopping all by myself!" I was soooo tempted to comment, "So I heard you got a birthday shag." That would have been so funny. I would have laughed. She might not have. Chicks have no sense of humor. QUOTE As far as draft mode. Gordon said he didn't like it because we weren't doing well in it. I said that it was because we were playing like shit. Last night I also said we need to get out of draft mode. I believe it's both a combination of no teamwork, and people not being familiar with their other champs. QUOTE However, it did point out one major weakness. Some of us are WAY out of practice on our secondary champs. We've been playing for 500 instead of building a team. Agreed, and some of us don't even know who our "5" are... I'm one of them. Anyway, I think we can address all this stuff, but we need to do it wisely. More on that in a minute. QUOTE Ronnie says we have to pick a role and master it. He's going to be the jungler, I would be the tank, Leisher would carry, etc. Then, we only play characters that fit in that role. I disagree because we aren't always on at the same time. When he's not around, I jungle, etc. Plus, although I like to be competitive, I also consider myself a casual player and don't want this to be my job. I like playing different characters and roles. But, if the team decides we should be role specific, I'm all for it. But, I would also request that the team picks your role instead of you. He has his games. . . but more often than not, he's just adequate. He jungles about as good as I Brand. Very inconsistent. Not doing a good job, but better than having an AFK. I have no idea where you guys would put me. I think I play Noc WAY better than Ashe, but you guys are always asking for Ashe. I think I do pretty good as Maokai, but Leisher has implied he's seen better. . . So, I have no idea where you'd put me. I think Ronnie has a point. Last night I moved from AD Carry to Tank, and suffered for it. I tried to aggressively push my lane, I don't think I led out far enough in team fights. Had I been playing another AD Carry or even Teemo, it would have been a far different experience. My gameplay could have remained the same. However, none of us want to be shoehorned into a category. I love AD Carry, but sometimes it's fun to move into another role. (Although, if you guys wanted me to, I'd do it. I could easily make my five: MF, Trynd, Graves, Wukong, and Fiora.) What category does Singed fall into? He's a whole different playstyle. Scooty would never fall into one category. Cake's characters are AD, tanks, and AP. I'd only go this route if everybody said let's do it. And I didn't say I've seen better Maokai, I said I wasn't nuts about the character. I think other tanks have much better "circles" like Amumu. You play Maokai well. Anyway, I think we should move to normal games, most of us stick with what we know while one...maybe two...do something different. Make that our status quo for a while, then change it up again. We go for wins, we work on teamwork, we learn new champs, and most importantly, we have fun. Plus, next time we enter draft mode, we need more than one of us to own critical champs. Singed needs to be grabbed early so the opponents don't take him. In that example, Gordon would also need to own Miss Fortune, if say, I took Singed for him. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 10 2012,11:06
I started the games last night very tired, and sick, so a lot of my late night, barely suppressed rage comes from that.1. As far as being out of practice with Ryze, the only problem I really had was not being used to how slow he is. Singed is one of the fastest on the map, Ryze is one of the slowest, and movement calculations are a pretty unconscious thing and it is hard retraining your mind when you are used to moving X+5 and now you are just moving X. I was getting caught in situations that I never thought twice about, as Singed. 2. I wasn't pushing out like I do with Singed. Early game in mid, I was kicking Fizz's ass out of the lane, over and over. And four times, when I made a big push and went for the kill - every single time - the gank comes out of the weeds and I die. 3. As I said, I was kicking ass early mid, and making money, and at that time was buying wards (and every time I got ganked, the gank came from the spot where I didn't have a ward. They got very lucky in that aspect.). Which takes me to the biggest problem I personally had that game: 4. I was getting shut out of all money mid and late game. I know we have discussed this before, and I know that everyone else has an "every man for himself" mentality about it, but every. single. time. I went into a lane or spawn to hit a group of minions, or a monster spawn, every. single. time. there was suddenly 1-3 other people there with me, getting every. single. one. of the last hits, and taking all the money. I made it to level 18 and I had exactly 3 completed items. I was underpowered and ineffective and it made for a 4v5 game where it only took Fizz's ult to kill me from full health. 5. I mentioned I wasn't liking the elimination rounds because we had gotten stomped twice, and it feels to me like we are playing against a higher tier of player in the elimination matches. They play a lot better, it seems to me. I was hoping for a regular 5v5 match that we could get in and stomp some non-matched people and maybe get our groove back, but then I was told we sucked and I felt it was just best to get off voice at that point before I started ranting about how my team had fucked me that last game. But now I am rested and the heat is gone and if y'all take nothing else from this post, it is that I still feel strongly that "every man for himself" is a horrible, horrible plan if you have a teammate that has gotten behind in farming. I know I, personally, am ALWAYS trying to get our teammates who have fallen behind in levels caught up. Y'all KNOW I am constantly saying, "He is behind, let him get these XPs solo," so you know I am not just saying this for ME ME ME. When a teammate is behind, it hurts the entire team, and another 250 gold and X XP's goes a lot farther for a level 14 than it does for a level 18. Y'all know what a properly leveled Ryze looks like. I could have been doing, literally, twice as much damage with just a little support, resulting in a lot more kills of peeps who just barely got away, but I was shut out. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 10 2012,11:15
And what is the deal with everyone getting distracted by "getting blue?" Seems like 50% of the time someone is out of position because they went to GET BLUE. There is a goddam item that costs 390 that is pretty much the equivalent of "getting blue." I recommend people start buying it if they are that hard up for mana and can't hit HQ to refresh now and again, which is another problem we have, isn't it. Some peeps don't like going to heal and prefer to just die again.And isn't mid-late game about the right time to stop worrying about jungling at all, and start the team fights? We are always fighting 4v5 because level 18 peeps just can't stand the dogs being alive. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 10 2012,11:31
As far as character draft in the elimination games:Of course I would love it if the first guy in line picks Singed so I could be sure to get it, but I am certainly not going to insist on it. Everyone wants to be sure to get their "main." The question to ask is whether it is more important that I get Singed than it is for, say, Cake to get Ashe. If it is more important, then yeah, maybe we should get Singed lokced in early before the other team does. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 10 2012,12:21
QUOTE 2. I wasn't pushing out like I do with Singed. Early game in mid, I was kicking Fizz's ass out of the lane, over and over. And four times, when I made a big push and went for the kill - every single time - the gank comes out of the weeds and I die. And how many ganks were you given? QUOTE 4. I was getting shut out of all money mid and late game. I know we have discussed this before, and I know that everyone else has an "every man for himself" mentality about it, but every. single. time. I went into a lane or spawn to hit a group of minions, or a monster spawn, every. single. time. there was suddenly 1-3 other people there with me, getting every. single. one. of the last hits, and taking all the money. I made it to level 18 and I had exactly 3 completed items. I was underpowered and ineffective and it made for a 4v5 game where it only took Fizz's ult to kill me from full health. I disagree with that statement. I don't know if anyone notices or not, but I try to go to lanes where other folks aren't to farm. I pull off of minions so that whoever else is there can get last hits. Do I take a couple for myself? YES, and I should. I'm trying to share the kills. We all need farm, but there are times when you just have to do what you have to do. I don't think there's a fix for this when it's late game and we're desperate. Actually, the fix is to make more money early game as a team and not die as much. QUOTE And what is the deal with everyone getting distracted by "getting blue?" Seems like 50% of the time someone is out of position because they went to GET BLUE. There is a goddam item that costs 390 that is pretty much the equivalent of "getting blue." I recommend people start buying it if they are that hard up for mana and can't hit HQ to refresh now and again, which is another problem we have, isn't it. Some peeps don't like going to heal and prefer to just die again. I could not agree more. QUOTE And isn't mid-late game about the right time to stop worrying about jungling at all, and start the team fights? We are always fighting 4v5 because level 18 peeps just can't stand the dogs being alive. I get still jungling. I don't get ignoring team fights to jungle. Hey look, there's 3v3 in mid, and there goes my 4th teammate heading to the fight. I think I'll go kill the dogs. What.The.Fuck? QUOTE Of course I would love it if the first guy in line picks Singed so I could be sure to get it, but I am certainly not going to insist on it. Everyone wants to be sure to get their "main." The question to ask is whether it is more important that I get Singed than it is for, say, Cake to get Ashe. If it is more important, then yeah, maybe we should get Singed lokced in early before the other team does. I used Singed as an example because he's a popular character. It's more important to me that you get Singed rather than me getting MF. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 10 2012,12:50
The "main" concept is what is hurting us. I consider Ashe, Noc and Maokai my mains. I am equally effective as any one of them. I don't think our team NEEDS Singed because Singed wins games, we need it because he's your "main" and any other champ would lower your effectiveness. We have to get away from this. And I don't think we need to have 5 mains. I just think we should not play any more than 5. And really, this rule only applies to Scooty who is the only one that tries to play more than 5. But I do think we should have at least 3.Role specialization: Well, you all can do that, but I like cross training. Sometimes, our random 5th can't fill the role we need. By having the ability to play multiple roles, I have more to offer. But, I don't feel the need to make this mandatory. If you don't like melee playing, then don't do it. No one should have to do something they don't want to. Even if it does help the team. :-) I carry health potions when I jungle so that I can show up for a gank with 75%+ health. Showing up with anything less is only making you primary and an easy kill. The ONLY time I would go in with less is if I just happened to be there when my teammates were beating the enemy's ass and I can steal a kill or two. Ronnie will park himself in the bushes at <50% and then turret dive. . . Last night, I told him to back off, it wasn't worth it. He agreed. But I can't remember if he listened or not. When I jungle, I pass through the jungle, and check the lane I'm heading for. Lately, you guys have been pushing the hell out of the lanes and there is no gank. Which is fine. So I go back to the jungle. Jungling with no ganking is boring because the monsters don't spawn fast enough. As a team, we should not be pushing so hard so we can create a ganking situation, and so we are creating a ganking buffet for the enemy jungler. I used to wait till level 6 to gank. I don't any more. 3 healthy teammates against two enemies equals a kill for us, or at least we scare them a bit. I don't have to be our jungler, but, we have to consider asking Ronnie to play something else. Problem is, he really likes jungling, and he thinks he's good at it. Last night, we did need AP. But, a shitty AP is worse than tripling up on AD. We have to make sure we have enough competence on the board. In other words, if we already have people playing 'off main', picking another 'off main' to fill a role is going to be worse than putting a 'main' in a role that's already covered. And with Ronnie jungling, we've already burned one of our 'off main' slots. :-). Even though you did good as Ryze early, we might have been better off with GP as you pointed out. I may have been a better Brand, etc. Point is, role coverage is important, but not to the extent of having a weak 'off main' team. Farming and sharing stuff. That game was lost no matter who got the farm. You were weak, so that others could be strong. Could have reversed that and the kills/deaths could have shifted, but the result would have been the same. They were dominating us. In a closer match, distribution of the farm could lead to a different outcome. But I still believe that the carries should be fed the most. A full Trynd and a weak Ryze will beat a full Ryze and weak Trynd, in my opinion. But ideally, we are playing so that everyone is farming. . . So, rather than figure out the proper distribution of what little farm there is late game when we're getting beat, lets fix the situation leading to that situation. We MUST start playing differently early game. Scooty and Ronnie have similar issues. They are really good players, every once in a while. How do we beat it into their heads to play better? I know I have bad games. But I think I have more good games than bad. Scooty and Ronnie are the opposite. Ronnie takes critisism WAY better than Scooty. So, I think we can talk to Ronnie during the game to change something. Instead of hinting "I could really use a gank up top." We instruct "Ronnie, stop fighting the dogs and gank top now." With Scooty, you can't try to correct anything, ever, because he doesn't think he's doing anything wrong, ever. But bottom line, our team has a specific play style. We have "X" amount of talent. And currently, we are using our style and talent a certain way. If you can't mesh with it, then, we aren't a team and are going to lose. So, we may not be playing the perfect game, but, it's the game we are playing. . . so, get on the same page, or move on to another team that plays a different style. It's no fun for any of us when we aren't a team, because we lose. Or, present a case for changing things and then we, as a team, can decide to change things. But one or two people, mid game, deciding the team is wrong and things should be played a different way just pisses everyone off. Posted by Guest on Mar. 10 2012,12:55
QUOTE With Scooty, you can't try to correct anything, ever, because he doesn't think he's doing anything wrong, ever. The man is right, i have major anger issues and take everything personal. Don't cross me or i might murder you <_< Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 10 2012,13:07
Oh ya, late game jungling. It's ONLY done when there's nothing else to do. If we just killed them all and are pulling back from a push, I'll clear the jungle. I know they will be recovering from our push and I'm relatively safe. It will be a couple extra 100 to spend when I go back. When we are desperate, I will try to sneak in a couple spawns for the extra push. But, I try to be as safe about it as possible. Last night, I would scout the area with Ashe's arrow and only go if it was clear. Also, I was warding our side of the jungle for more protection. Going blind is stupid and only hurting us. Finishing a spawn you started regardless of the team fight that's building is WRONG. Ronnie and Scooty do this CONSTANTLY. "Ok, I'll be right there. Just finishing up Red/Blue". No, you go NOW. I leave spawns with 25% health to help the team. This is the only way to make sure you win. You showing up late with red only means that in about 3 to 5 seconds, the enemies will have red. So tied of a fight being ignored to get a buff only for that buff to be immediately handed off to the enemy. So, random jungling is good, but low priority.QUOTE It's more important to me that you get Singed rather than me getting MF. This is only true if you believe that Singed is better than MF. If you believe it because Gordon's alternative to Singed is worse than your alternative to MF, then that needs to be fixed. This was covered in more detail in my previous post. If a teammate is being crippled by a single champ ban, then that guy needs to step it up! Our priorities right now should be learning the rest of our team. Those with one main, get a second one. Those with a plethora of champs, narrow it down so we can learn to play with you. Second, learn that a teammate in a fight is > anything else you are doing right now. Jungler, you are hitting every fight you see. Get some jungle spawns if you have time. ONLY if there is time. Once laning has stopped, if someone is in a fight, you go there. Period. If you are in a fight, MAKE SURE YOU ARE GOING TO WIN IT. If you aren't, run towards your team that is already on the way. If we are split pushing (team fighting mid, Singed pushing top solo during the distraction), COMMUNICATE. "Singed, three are now MIA". Singed: "I've got two on me now, but I'm getting away, maintain the push in the middle", etc. But as soon as someone says "I need help", the whole team must respond. One hit from killing the dragon? Too bad. HELP YOUR TEAMMATE. That's my thoughts anyway. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 10 2012,13:13
(Scooty Poof @ Mar. 10 2012,07:55) QUOTE QUOTE With Scooty, you can't try to correct anything, ever, because he doesn't think he's doing anything wrong, ever. The man is right, i have major anger issues and take everything personal. Don't cross me or i might murder you <_< You make light of it. But more often than not, you are the one dragging the group down making everyone want to quit early. If we try to correct a situation, you make it worse. The first half of your statement has truth. You have anger issues and take everything personal. Well, don't. We are trying to play a better/smarter game and win. If getting you on the same page as us makes you attack us, then it's not healthy for us to play together. If you think we are wrong, then bring your suggestions up here. Not in the middle of the game. Don't argue a new team style mid game. It's not going to happen. You know what we are looking for. If you can't play along, then, everyone is miserable. So, either make suggestions here, or learn to play our way. That's not a threat or anything. It's a game. We should be having fun. When it's not fun any more, then we should stop playing. If you think we are dumb and playing wrong, then teach us. But being snarky and disrespectful mid game just makes us swear we are never playing with you again. Posted by Guest on Mar. 10 2012,13:18
QUOTE The first half of your statement has truth. You have anger issues and take everything personal. Well, don't. Goooooooozzzzfrabbaahhhhhh. I snap my fingers and suddenly, life has new meaning to me now! Doctor, you've done it! <_< Not sure it works like that..... But okay, "I won't". Posted by GORDON on Mar. 10 2012,19:04
(Leisher @ Mar. 10 2012,15:21) QUOTE QUOTE 4. I was getting shut out of all money mid and late game. I know we have discussed this before, and I know that everyone else has an "every man for himself" mentality about it, but every. single. time. I went into a lane or spawn to hit a group of minions, or a monster spawn, every. single. time. there was suddenly 1-3 other people there with me, getting every. single. one. of the last hits, and taking all the money. I made it to level 18 and I had exactly 3 completed items. I was underpowered and ineffective and it made for a 4v5 game where it only took Fizz's ult to kill me from full health. I disagree with that statement. I don't know if anyone notices or not, but I try to go to lanes where other folks aren't to farm. I pull off of minions so that whoever else is there can get last hits. Do I take a couple for myself? YES, and I should. I'm trying to share the kills. We all need farm, but there are times when you just have to do what you have to do. I don't think there's a fix for this when it's late game and we're desperate. Actually, the fix is to make more money early game as a team and not die as much. I feel so strongly about this that I am going to keep discussing it, since you asked. Last night this is exactly what I was doing. When an empty lane was getting gobbed up with enemy minions, I went there alone to clear it and try to catch up in levels/gold. But, as Ryze, I can't just clear them quickly like an AD can, or Singed with his gas, so it takes me a few seconds. But, in that few seconds when I haven't killed them all yet, 1-3 people show up, and I am not exaggerating, get every single last hit. Very, extremely frustrating, especially since it happened to me at least 4 times. My team couldn't have kept me down better if they had actually been trying to. They exactly, perfectly, fucked me out of money. Honestly, it sems to me that the "you may have been weak but it just meant others got stronger" argument means that if someone gets behind, it is better they just sit in spawn doing nothing, and not feed the enemy kills. Does anyone actually think that is the path to winning, or is it better to work as a team and keep the entire team up to speed? Because it astounds me that I am alone in that thinking. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 10 2012,19:06
I've made it clear that he needs to play our way, or find another team. Right now, he's teaming up with his friends. I have no intention of inviting him any more to games that matter. What games matter? I don't know. I guess games where other people are playing or that we want to win. :-) I challenged him to a game last week. He immediately messaged his friends with the challenge. They have yet to respond. He was talking strategy with his friend tonight. I pointed out that they would even have that advantage. They know who we are going to play, but we don't know who they are going to play. But it's not going to matter.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 10 2012,22:49
For the record, I'm pro-Scooty. I don't mind the various champs as much, BUT I'd like it if he ran down in champ select and early game what to expect so we'd know. If I was to honestly point out anything about his game, it'd be the two things I've always said to him: 1. Don't bother arguing with strangers. It's a waste of time and might just get him reported. (Note: One of the best wins we've ever had was a recent TT against a Talon who talked just a ridiculous amount of trash. We were silent while getting pushed early. We came back strong and beat them in a single push. Even his team was calling him out post match for being a loudmouth who couldn't back it up. THAT'S how you shut up a jackass.) 2. When mid and late game comes focus more on the team than farming. (Note: This is the same advice I tell Ronnie, and try to live myself because I make this mistake too.) Posted by GORDON on Mar. 11 2012,00:13
Ronnie did well tonight with the ganks and whatnot.
Posted by Guest on Mar. 11 2012,14:36
(Leisher @ Mar. 10 2012,22:49) QUOTE For the record, I'm pro-Scooty. I don't mind the various champs as much, BUT I'd like it if he ran down in champ select and early game what to expect so we'd know. If I was to honestly point out anything about his game, it'd be the two things I've always said to him: 1. Don't bother arguing with strangers. It's a waste of time and might just get him reported. (Note: One of the best wins we've ever had was a recent TT against a Talon who talked just a ridiculous amount of trash. We were silent while getting pushed early. We came back strong and beat them in a single push. Even his team was calling him out post match for being a loudmouth who couldn't back it up. THAT'S how you shut up a jackass.) 2. When mid and late game comes focus more on the team than farming. (Note: This is the same advice I tell Ronnie, and try to live myself because I make this mistake too.) QUOTE For the record, I'm pro-Scooty. ![]() ![]() QUOTE I don't mind the various champs as much, BUT I'd like it if he ran down in champ select and early game what to expect so we'd know. I'm playing Taric for the next few weeks. Learn him, you'll see him a shit ton. QUOTE 1. Don't bother arguing with strangers. It's a waste of time and might just get him reported. If it really bothers yah guys then i can chew my arm off to keep my mouth shut when it usually wouldn't be, no big deal. QUOTE 2. When mid and late game comes focus more on the team than farming. I always seem to be behind in levels/minion kills so i figure id only be ruining the game further if i feed the enemy in a team fight, being that i'm usually first focused because the enemy knows this aswell. I'll participate, but i don't like being made fun of at the end of a game for having no kills and a shit ton of deaths, not fair when i'm trying to follow your guys' rules. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 11 2012,16:40
(Scooty Poof @ Mar. 11 2012,17:36) QUOTE ...but i don't like being made fun of at the end of a game for having no kills and a shit ton of deaths, not fair when i'm trying to follow your guys' rules. You never got made fun of for falling behind in levels and having low-kills, high deaths. We all do that to each other when it applies. You get made fun of because you got no kills/high deaths when playing random champions that aren't your "mains." And we never take it personally, nor should you. Not that I'm saying you do. Posted by Guest on Mar. 11 2012,17:19
Alright, my bad.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 11 2012,19:17
I send Leisher a PM asking if he is playing tonight, I get no response. I text Cake to ask if he is playing tonight, no response.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 11 2012,20:25
I don't normally have my cellphone on me on the weekend. Sunday night is Walking Dead night.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 12 2012,07:48
QUOTE If it really bothers yah guys then i can chew my arm off to keep my mouth shut when it usually wouldn't be, no big deal. It's not that it bothers me. It's affect on me goes no farther than worrying that you're typing while playing instead of focusing on playing or you're fighting with a teammate, and they are focusing on you or will quit. More so, I worry you'll get banned. You may not notice, but we say the things you type, we just don't type it. When people talk trash to you, they want a reaction. If you don't give it to them, it pisses them off. It's unsettling to really get on someone, and have it not phase them. And if they beat you? I guarantee that person is smashing their keyboard. When it's a random teammate, play along. Be polite, follow their lead unless it's too stupid to follow. It disarms them and makes them back down unless they're a complete jackass, in which case, just mute them. QUOTE I always seem to be behind in levels/minion kills so i figure id only be ruining the game further if i feed the enemy in a team fight, being that i'm usually first focused because the enemy knows this aswell. I'll participate, but i don't like being made fun of at the end of a game for having no kills and a shit ton of deaths, not fair when i'm trying to follow your guys' rules. Well, first of all, you're not usually first focused. You're not the tank drawing fire, and you're not the AD carry. We've been in many matches where any one of us has been a team's focus. Sometimes they go after support, sometimes they go after AD, sometimes it's AP, etc. If you feel like you're always being targeted, then you're too close to the fight. I say that because I used to do that a LOT with MF. I was used to playing Trynd or Garen. I had to teach myself a different play style with MF. Second, let's say that you're a lvl 7 Veigar and everyone else is lvl 11. There's a team fight going on. Now which do you think we'd prefer? You going to farm or you coming over and dropping a stun circle to help us kill them or get away? I completely understand the fear of feeding, but joining a team fight doesn't always mean completely engaging. As MF, if I come up to a fight late, I'll use my ult or E to either finish off enemies, scare them off, or slow them down so my teammates can escape. Those abilities have nothing to do with level. It SUCKS to be behind in levels and money. We've all had those issues, and there's only two things you can do: 1. Play better earlier. 2. Play ultra conservative until you're caught up. The main thing to remember is that you're on our team. We do not profit or gain from you doing poorly. We don't win when various members of our team are on different pages. We're going to do whatever we can to help you out. It's up to you, however, to let us know you're behind or having trouble. QUOTE i'm trying to follow your guys' rules. The last thing I'll note is that our rules are nothing more than essential elements of any successful team. Team being the key word. Go watch the pro matches online, and the last thing you'll see is a bunch of individual play. Hell, look at ANY competition. 5 lone wolves lose every time against a team of 5. QUOTE I send Leisher a PM asking if he is playing tonight, I get no response. I text Cake to ask if he is playing tonight, no response. QUOTE Sunday night is Walking Dead night. Yep. I didn't get back to the office until 10:30 or so, and I was working on a PC while playing Dead Island. Thus, I never got back to Gordo in time as I never saw his message. Just as an FYI for the future, only one more episode of The Walking Dead left in season 2, but I may continue to wait until 10-10:30 to get online Sunday nights. Posted by Guest on Mar. 12 2012,12:08
Well i'm down to start winning some games. I'm going to be playing the support role for the team, thats what i've always done in any kind of team based rpg type game. I'm the healer, i love healing, keeping the team alive and whatnot. Will be using Taric alot, but looking to phase a couple more supports in to finish the list. Would be awesome to get your guys' input on which supports to play? Taric is good for tanking, initiating and healing miniscule amounts of damage to teammates, stuns a single enemy, and has a couple of aura buffs passively and actively. Was talking to the Ran-man last night and i think Soraka will most likely be the next on the list because unlike Taric, her heals are far from miniscule. She nuke heals heheh. Shes also got a silence, across the board entire team heal, and her q is good for dropping magic resist quick on everyone in the fight. Also working on a system of constant slowing on the entire enemy team, will get back to yous guys on that later. Janner? She plays two ways, team escape artist/mad support auras with very low aoe healing power... team escape artist/AP heavy damage with decent aoe healing power.Galio/Janna/Karma/Kayle/Lux/morgana/nidalee/shen/sona/soraka/taric/teemo/zilean. ^^ Obviously plenty of supports to choose from, check em out when you get the time and let me know which ones you'd like to see. Posted by Guest on Mar. 12 2012,12:18
Talking to my buddies that you guys played against the other night, and just wanted to throw this awesome idea out there that they came up with. Zilean in lane with twitch, twitch goes invis, zilean arms him with a time bomb, twitch busts butt to the nearest champion....Invisible Twitch Bombing. Is that not awesome or what heheheh.
Posted by Guest on Mar. 12 2012,12:40
Karma's Mantra works really really well for playing that support role. She heals, she boosts, and she shields. She doesn't have an ult, its just always there from level 1. Furthermore, her abilities don't stop leveling at 6, they stop at 7 since there is no ult to level. She can deal aoe damage, and if she spends one of her mantra charges she'll heal everyone around her for the damage dealt plus bonuses. She can create a beam between herself and and enemy or an ally. Enemies are slowed down by the beam and take damage, allies are sped up from the beam, if you spend a mantra charge then any ally who passes through the beam also gets the movement speed bonus, and the bonus is increased. Lasts 5 seconds. Finally the shield will just protect you from a bunch of incoming damage for 5 seconds, and if i use a mantra charge that shield explodes and does aoe damage to all enemies in the area. Mantra is cool, and heres what i think would be awesome. Get myself and one other friendly champion (skarner?), i'll start the beam between me and skarner, the rest of the team busts through the beam and chases down whoever is left. So when we're chasing enemies to score an ace or what have you, we need to pull this "Flying V" shenanigan and catch them very quickly! Will be playing lots of solo games to get ready with her as well as soraka being i haven't played either of them all that much.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 12 2012,16:29
Patch today.And I tend to dislike any support character. You have to be VERY good with them to be more useful than you would have been with a character laning and keeping the enemy down. In my opinion. Posted by Guest on Mar. 12 2012,18:38
(GORDON @ Mar. 12 2012,16:29) QUOTE And I tend to dislike any support character. You have to be VERY good with them to be more useful than you would have been with a character laning and keeping the enemy down. In my opinion. Supports shine in team fights and keeping allies alive mainly through escape tactics. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 12 2012,18:57
Played well, support can help a team as much as another damage dealer. That's why we ban Soraka. She so effective she uses up one of our three bans.Supports only shine when played well and as part of the team. Posted by Guest on Mar. 12 2012,22:10
So i think you should let me back on the team for the following reasons:1: Fixed the attitude and will handle criticism much better. 2: Trying to center on a champion that makes the most sense for your style of play. 3: Will be there for team-fights, if someone could just call out when its about that time, i may not be very good at noticing. 4: If i'm "stealing your kills" or "stealing your last hits" i'm not doing it on purpose, i'm just clueless. Say something. 5: Apologies for my one liners, everythings personal, learning to be the better person and not escalate things further than they need to be. 6: Won't touch the jungle, have no business being in there. All the blinky lights and blue/red orbs are just too damn distracting i can't keep an eye on the rest of the game. 7: Most of my mistakes take place when i'm in a bad mood. I'll opt out of the rest of the nights games if i can't handle it, that way we can avoid a mess, and i'll just be back on the next night with a cleared head. 8: My skills are improving with wards. I don't take them right off the bat usually (don't have any money after buying my first item), but get into the habit of purchasing them if the enemy is really ganky or if its just that time of the game where they are dominating and we need them to survive. 9: Playing more conservatively, i don't try things that have a chance of getting me killed. 10: Even though what i stated in 9 was true, i think dying trying to save a teammate is differently categorized, but i like to do that a lot regardless. If its a problem, i can stop. Sometimes it works though, your call. Posted by Guest on Mar. 12 2012,23:39
10-1-2 with Randy on TT as Yi. He thinks i should stick with Yi since he's seen some of my best games from him. Did very well, controlled top lane against blitzcrank extremely well, almost had a few kills on him early but he escaped with his super speed. Also had complete control over top jungle, constantly had 5 different aura's circling me during the game. Showed up for plenty of ganks, quit killing neutrals to assist my team alllllllll the way at bottom. Couldn't get their fast enough, but was able to show up in time to kill whatever champion was pushing on their team and get a decent push in. I haven't really messed with him on SR, but i know i won't have access to the jungle so it will most likely be a much different, much more difficult game for me. Won't be reaching level 18 as everyone is approaching level 12. Won't have an entire build before randy even gets his phantom dancer built heheheh. Needless to say when i keep my head in the game and play smart, i absolutely rule TT with Yi. Hope i can do the same on SR.
Posted by Guest on Mar. 13 2012,00:47
Played one more after cake went to bed, this time i joined with one of my buddies from school on a 5v5. Went 20-6-6. Turns out i face roll even harder on SR! If i wasn't taking turret after turret after turret down and busting away, i was pulling triple kill after double kill + a turret after triple kill.....etc. Took a total of 5 turrets with me, only died 6 times, and thats even with me 1v5ing their team because i was getting bored at the end heheheheh, and taking 4 down with me still!!!! For some reason, veigar kept putting his stun circle in the perfect place, but i always had alpha strike ready to zip out of the circle instantly and directly next to him before i hit the wall. Played the game without a bloodthirster too so the only lifesteal i had was from the lantern, was hitting their best player, gangplank, for half his health each hit, with a crit it was his entire health bar. Another good victory for me, to throw into the improving match history list =D See for yourself! Build when the game was over was the lantern, berserkers grieves, infinity edge, phantom dancer, black cleaver, and a bf sword i was saving for a bloodthirster. Purchased in that order aswell, i like getting the infinity edge right off the bat, if your playing an AD carry i deffs suggest this build. Amazing survivability with the lanterns lifesteal, and the ad damage is absolutely 150% broken. Lots of people argue that the phantom should come before the infinity, and i used to agree, but the berserkers give you enough attack speed, the infinity edge jacks your damage output by soooooooooo much that early in the game, you start racking up the kills like mad. Will be messing with stack items now that i'm confident in my ability to get some kills and assists right off the bat.
Posted by Guest on Mar. 13 2012,12:40
Played a TT with randoms as Yi, sadly it ended terribly. Our Sion was foreign, hardly spoke english... Sion watches me and twisted fate running through bottom lane getting ganked by all 3 enemies after Sion failed to call an MIA on Nasus up top (After just meandering up top and stealing my lane ANYWAY........) he proceeded to stand in the bushes above bottom lane and watch as we slowly run past him getting our shit kicked in going 1/10th a mile an hour with 30 exhausts and slows pwning us. What does he do? Just chills, maybe grabbed some popcorn, enjoyed the pure ownage. So by this point me and TF are raging, but TF is the only one really giving him the business in chat, what does Sion do? He thinks a 3v1 will be a great way to end the game, dies, afk's and we surrender lose........ There went a perfect match history, gotta start all over now. I stand by my usual statement and that is: Randoms blow. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 13 2012,18:09
(Scooty Poof @ Mar. 13 2012,01:10) QUOTE So i think you should let me back on the team for the following reasons: 1: Fixed the attitude and will handle criticism much better. 2: Trying to center on a champion that makes the most sense for your style of play. 3: Will be there for team-fights, if someone could just call out when its about that time, i may not be very good at noticing. 4: If i'm "stealing your kills" or "stealing your last hits" i'm not doing it on purpose, i'm just clueless. Say something. 5: Apologies for my one liners, everythings personal, learning to be the better person and not escalate things further than they need to be. 6: Won't touch the jungle, have no business being in there. All the blinky lights and blue/red orbs are just too damn distracting i can't keep an eye on the rest of the game. 7: Most of my mistakes take place when i'm in a bad mood. I'll opt out of the rest of the nights games if i can't handle it, that way we can avoid a mess, and i'll just be back on the next night with a cleared head. 8: My skills are improving with wards. I don't take them right off the bat usually (don't have any money after buying my first item), but get into the habit of purchasing them if the enemy is really ganky or if its just that time of the game where they are dominating and we need them to survive. 9: Playing more conservatively, i don't try things that have a chance of getting me killed. 10: Even though what i stated in 9 was true, i think dying trying to save a teammate is differently categorized, but i like to do that a lot regardless. If its a problem, i can stop. Sometimes it works though, your call. 1. Nobody in our group ever makes personal attacks. We aren't buttholes. If it seems we are picking on you, well we may be, but it comes from a good place and we don't hold grudges. 2. I still recommend 2 or 3 champions from which you rarely deviate when we all get on as a team. I don't think anyone else on our team has more than 3 they regularly play. This lets us play with each other instinctively, without having to put a lot of forethought into it. Remember that time you were playing Veigar, and mentioned how you knew exactly where Singed was going to fling a bad guy, and had the paralyze ring ready to go before Singed even flung? Like that. 3. There is really no set time when team fighting starts, and sometimes we are even too slow to start team fighting. Sometimes we initiate team fighting when we see an opportunity, sometimes we only figure it out the 3rd time the entire enemy team ganks a couple of us. 4. Generally we don't care about last kills, we just fuck with each other if it happens. If someone is getting shut out of money, they should speak up. 5. Nothing more needs to be said. We don't tend to take things personally, and everyone gets in a bad mood now and then. 6. Personally, as I don't ever play a dedicated jungler, I hit jungle spawns MAYBE 2 or 3 times a game, when a lane is pushed out too far and I have the opportunity to make a few XPs. That's just me. I do not get distracted by jungle spawns/buffs. 7. We all get in a bad mood sometimes. It is best to, as you said, just walk away for the evening. Surf porn, like I do. 8. I think we all have a lot of potential to get better. When I turned level 30 with 150 wins, I figured we were pretty good. Us NOW at 300+ wins would crush us THEN at 150 wins. Us at 500+ wins will be able to crush us NOW at 300+ kills. We are always figuring new things out. 9. I think conservative is the way to go, personally. When I get beaten in a game it is usually by people who were playing by the numbers, and waiting for me to get impulsive and try something crazy. The less we feed, the weaker they stay... and maybe THEY will screw up. We've played a game once where we went 20 minutes before someone got First Blood. 10. My game got a lot better, and I think everyone else agrees with this, when I embraced the philosophy: "Don't die." I go for a risky near-kill about 10% as much as I used to, and therefore I feed the enemy a lot less, resulting in them advancing slower, resulting in an overall advantage for everyone else on the team. Sometimes just not getting killed is a winning move, in the overall game. ++++++++++ New thoughts: A well-played support character can be devastating to the enemy team, when the support character keeps allowing us to not die, get kills, farming the enemy while denying them kills. I have played against enemy teams where their support character essentially carried the game, and I got plenty frustrated when I would die to an enemy with 25 hit points left... 5 or 6 times. The problem, as I see it, is we don't have anyone on our team that is that good. I have heard Cake describe a few really good games as Maoki, and I completely believe him, but I've never personally seen it. As such, I don't like support characters. If anyone else on our team wanted to play a support character, and STICK WITH A SUPPORT CHARACTER until they got really good at it, then great. But if I saw a guy who likes to play a support character a couple times but kind of sucks and then decides to move onto another character a few games and then decide that it is boring and then moves on to a DIFFERENT character, etc etc, repeat, etc, and then we don't even see that support character again for a week... well, that sucks. If you're going to do it, do it 100%. Let us learn to play with the support, and you learn the character 100%. Google up strategies and tactics with that character. Eat sleep and breathe it. I did that with Singed when I first bought him... at first it was completely alien playing him. I got better. But then, Yi is a good character, too. ++++++++++++ As far as you rejoining the team, honestly we had 2 problems with your play style: you were always playing different champions, and you were frequently hitting a jungle spawn when you should have been elsewhere, either defending base or running with the group. I know I personally leave group sometimes as Singed to try to push a lane solo, but I have very strict rules I follow when I do that: 1. Team is not currently fighting when I leave. If they are fighting, I am typically fighting with them. 2. I know where at least 4 of the 5 enemy champs are... I am not going to go solo into an ambush. 3. I keep one eye on the minimap at all times, and I immediately see when they move toward me or disappear altogether. 4. If I lost track of them, I pull back immediately. Sometimes I still get jumped. 5. If I get jumped twice when trying to be sneaky and push a lane solo, then I know they have good map awareness and I stop trying to be sneaky. 6. 75% of the time when I solo a lane I manage to not get jumped. 50% of the time I get jumped, I survive it anyway with Singed's speed, poison gas, flips, and glue. So, being sneaky and laning solo is rarely a bad move for me, playing Singed. Other champions' success varies. So, I have no problem with Scooty rejoining the team as long as 2 things happen: Fewer, more consistent champs, and stop getting distracted in the jungle and/or going out solo when it is dangerous to do so. Be with the group more. Be quicker to defend the base when needed. Repeat after me: THERE IS NO BLUE. BLUE DOES NOT EXIST. +++++++++++ I was driving around town today doing errands, my mind wandering. I was thinking about that game the other night where the other team was stomping us, and one of the other characters started bragging how he had over a thousand kills and how we should be intimidated by that. We ended up beating them that game, doing our thing. A week later, I figured out what I should have said to them at the end: "You guys are very good at this game, and you have more skill than we do at your champions. You lost because you are braggarts and are stupid." Because that is exactly why they lost. In their minds the game was over and they won, but in reality we were still playing, we outplayed them, and it cost them. My point being: age and treachery will almost always defeat youth and skill. Since our UO days, it has been a well-known and much lamented fact among our enemies that while we always play within the rules, we usually don't play how other people think we should play, and they get beaten because of it. In UO they called us "no skill Hiding newbs." In LOL they call us no skill heal/exhaust/OP Trynd newbs. Same insults, new generation of babies in a different decade. As long as I win, I don't care how mad they get at me. In fact, I consider their sweet, delicious tears a bonus. ++++++++++ And that's all I have to say about that. Posted by Guest on Mar. 13 2012,18:46
QUOTE Repeat after me: THERE IS NO BLUE. BLUE DOES NOT EXIST. Hahahah, Exactly. It has been stamped in the brain. Been getting used to taking clarity, very useful. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 13 2012,18:59
I think buffs should be used to their full potential, including the dragon and baron. But, there is a right time, and wrong time to go for them. Learning the difference is key. Gordon, I think you under use the buffs. Others over use them.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 13 2012,19:00
I don't need them because I am already buffed. I don't even work out, I am just naturally this way.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 14 2012,20:46
Scooty,You were VERY much not on the same page as your team that game. No open gank because we lose them too much? No. Absolutely not. That's been discussed here and is a closed subject. We gank. Period. When discussing strategy and how we need adjust mid game "then we might as well surrender" is not an option. When someone out levels us by 5 and 6 levels, we only fight him in a 3v1 and with minion/turret support. Playing smarter is the answer. Not snarky comments. That game was a step backwards for you. You had an opposing answer for everything that was said. Even when I gave you top lane and jungle. "I'm not any good at doing that. I shouldn't be in the jungle." However, it wasn't long ago that I was posting our 3 game dominance on TT with Ronnie. You Yi on top, and Maokai/Kog on bottom. You were having a blast out leveling the entire team and then owning them till victory. We kept doing it over and over because it was working. Why, if it's been proven to be viable, would you act like Yi at top is crazy? The game had not even started, and you were talking failure. I'm not calling you out for having a bad game. It happens. Sometimes people are just better than us. It happens. But to question established team tactics during the game is unacceptable. If you don't think we should gank at game start, bring it up here. Not in game. In game, you are on the same page as the rest of the team. Period. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 14 2012,20:49
We need to get Ronnie here.He needs to get over the "I'm not good at TT" thing. You lane. He's done that before! I don't see much of a difference in his play between TT and SR. Not sure why he feels he's worse. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 14 2012,21:15
QUOTE He needs to get over the "I'm not good at TT" thing. You lane. He's done that before! I don't see much of a difference in his play between TT and SR. Not sure why he feels he's worse. This is a total guess, but he usually only plays SR. Thus, I assume he isn't comfortable with the constant battles at lower levels, and the...lowered emphasis on farming? TT, particularly in bot lane, is about constant confrontation with the enemy. It's laning, which he doesn't do because he's a jungler. I think he just doesn't know how to lane. That's why he's constantly sneaking up to jungle, and going back and forth between lanes. He's playing the jungler role, but on TT. Want to test this theory? Let's play a SR bot game. Us 5 versus tough bots. Ronnie goes mid. I'll bet he doesn't do very well. I just don't think he's got a lot of experience at 1v1 or 2v2 in lanes. It's a totally different game than jungling. Look at how I get thrown off covering top instead of going mid. Now imagine taking a full time jungler and making him lane where he's sharing XP and gold. Now why he claims he needs to switch runes and masteries to play TT...I have no fucking clue. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 15 2012,00:19
Ya, I dunno. I've jungled and have had to lane. In either case, it's about picking the right time to make a move. Laning is easier because you can just sit there and wait for the opportunity. Jungling, you have to hope you are in the right spot at the right time, or you are sitting in a bush not collecting gold/xp in the hope that an opportunity is about to develop. And he and I have laned together in TT before and he did fine.He mentioned something about his build being different in TT. Not his normal jungle build. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 15 2012,07:17
I guess I can see builds changing from jungling to laning, but it's not just that. He doesn't understand the overall strategies for TT. (And I still think his lack of laning experience hurts him.) He doesn't get how the lanes/jungles work in TT versus SR. He also does NOT understand how to win if you're behind. That's not ripping him, I just think he needs more experience in TT to fully grasp it. On a different topic, I've been play testing Fiora this week, and I love her. I want to wait until the inevitable patch to see how they nerf her, but I could see using her going forward...if they don't break her. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 15 2012,10:26
I started practicing as Soraka again.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 15 2012,16:11
Was "Will of the Ancients" nerfed? I thought I remembered it had 40% spell vamp for the user. Doesn't say that any more.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 15 2012,16:23
(GORDON @ Mar. 15 2012,19:11) QUOTE Was "Will of the Ancients" nerfed? I thought I remembered it had 40% spell vamp for the user. Doesn't say that any more. Yes it was nerfed. < http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1868211 > Apparently RIOT has taken Spell Vamp out of the game, which makes the Swain build I had worthless. I have been taking WOTA for spell vamp for Singed for weeks, and not getting it. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2012,06:43
QUOTE By the way, I did see an interesting counter strategy for jungling in a YouTube video. Essentially, you have 3 of our team go into their jungle and kill their ghosts. Then we head back and do blue. Odds are, they'll be at their blue, and if we steal their ghosts, I guess it fucks up their normal pattern of jungling and slows them down. Thoughts? What if we hit red, then ghosts, then came out in mid, and killed that person, assuming they're pushing, and then pushed their turret? Is that too long and too few resources being shared? QUOTE A noc up top is as good as a Trynd up top. Ya, I said that. By the way, I can now safely say that this isn't true. ![]() Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2012,08:48
We won the game after you left fairly easily.In case you wondered. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 19 2012,09:41
That counter jungle may be too long and too few resources being shared. Also, who ever tanks the red is pretty hurt once it's dead, unless our jungler spends their smite on it. If we can kill the red, then the ghosts and score a gank in mid, it would be worth it, I think. If it failed, it's not like it would be 'gg' because we are so far behind.As far as Noc being as good up top as Trynd, it's not like we won 100% of the games with Trynd. Trynd got shut down plenty as well. . . . I've had teams surrender when I was still only level 15 and they were 11 claiming a 'fed noc' as the reason. So there. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2012,10:11
QUOTE We won the game after you left fairly easily. In case you wondered. I didn't. We should have won the game we played, but we were too focused on champion kills to worry about actually winning. We acted like all the teams we usually beat. We were constantly getting kills and then recalling to shop instead of pushing QUOTE That counter jungle may be too long and too few resources being shared. Also, who ever tanks the red is pretty hurt once it's dead, unless our jungler spends their smite on it. If we can kill the red, then the ghosts and score a gank in mid, it would be worth it, I think. If it failed, it's not like it would be 'gg' because we are so far behind. Might be worth a try once. If we can get the kills done early enough, it might not even seem strange to the enemy mid. He/she might just think we're at blue. QUOTE As far as Noc being as good up top as Trynd, it's not like we won 100% of the games with Trynd. Trynd got shut down plenty as well. . . . I've had teams surrender when I was still only level 15 and they were 11 claiming a 'fed noc' as the reason. So there. I guess you win because nobody ever complains about Trynd... ![]() Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 19 2012,13:58
OHHHhhhh. So, Trynd IS OP because people complain about it. And people are really smart!
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2012,19:00
That was a hell of a meltdown from Don Solo.We were doing ok, a *little* behind by mid game. He starts getting frustrated and blaming me because I wasn't there when he decided to jump into a 2v3 fight. He tried to surrender right after, we said no, then he started whining nonstop. I tried to keep him playing, but he wouldn't stop typing and crying about how terrible we are, "I am done," "This is a waste of my time," etc etc. At this point we were maybe 5 kills behind, I have more kills than him, and the same number of deaths. He wouldn't fight the last 10 minutes of the game while they pushed our base, and we lost. What follows is the after game chat log. Gokai111 joined the room. Don Solo joined the room. Fat Chicks MIA joined the room. Don Solo: i cant believ ethis shit Don Solo: for eal Gordonopolis: worst teammate evar Don Solo: i just cant believe it Don Solo: u fed the whole game Alex the Artist: It wasn't an issue of surrendering, it was an issue of having Ez on our team. Don Solo: and spend the last 10 minutes telling me its all my fault Don Solo: fuck both of u retards Gordonopolis: geez, what to report for... verbal abuse? negative attitude? intentionally feeding? Don Solo: the insanity Alex the Artist: He's an ANGRY player. Don Solo: fuck you Don Solo: report me for that Gordonopolis: they need a WHINING NONSTOP category Don Solo: fuck you u fucking retard Don Solo: your fucking insane Don Solo: you fend the whole game Gordonopolis: you're Don Solo: and knew it was about to be over Alex the Artist: and you are mad, bro. Don Solo: so u spent the last 10 minutes Don Solo: telling me its all my fault Don Solo: what fucking kind of psychosis is that? Don Solo: you guys are fucking nutbags Gordonopolis: holy crap, what a distorted sense of reality Alex the Artist: See, once they kill an inhib, it's free farm. Alex the Artist: Play D and farm. Don Solo: free farm? Alex the Artist: But you wanted to sit in spawn and whine. Alex the Artist: Ya. Don Solo: yea thats singeds play style Don Solo: free farm Don Solo: run to the enemy turret alone Don Solo: and keep dying Gordonopolis: you try to surrender, then you piss and moan and say I AM DONE THIS IS POINTLESS, and then you say i iam whining at you Don Solo: u guys are crazy Alex the Artist: And you are mad. Don Solo: dude Don Solo: u wouldnt stop feeding Alex the Artist: You tell cool stories bro. Don Solo: i am mad Don Solo: im tired of shitbags Don Solo: blaming their shit play Gordonopolis: i havent seen a person cry that much in a game in a long time Don Solo: on m e Gordonopolis: seriously Don Solo: u guys sucked Don Solo: that was ur fault Don Solo: learn to play Don Solo: this is league of legends Alex the Artist: So, you and I have the same number of deaths, but yours are ok. Mine were feeding. Alex the Artist: Cool story. Gordonopolis: anyway, reported. Don Solo: not the blame game Don Solo: i didnt say u were feeding Don Solo: it was singed Gordonopolis: and now on ignore because you are nuts From this point on I can't see what he types. Fat Chicks MIA: lol Gordonopolis: ahhhhh.... silence Fat Chicks MIA: u guys are silly Gordonopolis: ignore is so nice Fat Chicks MIA: dont argue cuz we are op its not right Alex the Artist: He has one more death than you, and more kills. Gordonopolis: alex and i are premade. we were on a winning streak until Super Whiner, there Alex the Artist: hehehe you are delusional. Alex the Artist: You talked allllllllll game. Wouldn't play. Alex the Artist: Just bitch bitch bitch. Alex the Artist: Then you 'help' by throwing your ult into the fight. Alex the Artist: You were raging prettyearly in the game. Gordonopolis: I keep hearing all these beeps... is he still crying nonstop? Alex the Artist: You were at the base for 10 of the last 10 fights. Alex the Artist: Oh ya. Gordonopolis: and *I* am the crazy one... Alex the Artist: It would have been. Gordonopolis: smeone is off his meds Alex the Artist: You were hurt and ran back to heal. Alex the Artist: Then never came back. Alex the Artist: You had plenty of time. Alex the Artist: You must have been shopping or something. Gordonopolis: the other team must be laughing their asses off Alex the Artist: Me too. You are funny. Gordonopolis: it is pretty funny to run into someone this out there Alex the Artist: heheh Alex the Artist: First out of 5 for us. Gordonopolis: beep beep beep Gordonopolis: he just keeps going Gordonopolis: this is a lot of rage Alex the Artist: I just hope I never have to play with you again so I can go back to winning. Gordonopolis: maybe he will blow an artery ain his brain and die Alex the Artist: You lost the last five. .. we won 4 out of 5. Alex the Artist: I'm guessing we are better. Alex the Artist: I think it's you, bro. Gordonopolis: major thrombosis in 5...4...3...2... Gordonopolis: beeep beep beep ack Alex the Artist: Ya, you can't do that when you score less kills and don't level up. Gordonopolis: let's see... i have more kills than him... oh but ONE more death, i must be feeding and suck Alex the Artist: He probably punched his PC and broke it. Gordonopolis: oh well. i was hoping to put him in the hospital with rage Maybe Cake has the rest of it from after I muted him. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 19 2012,20:28
I didn't save it.He said he was tired of losing because his last 5 games, he was getting teamed with sucky players. I pointed out that we had been winning. It was probably him. Then he said he couldn't carry us. I pointed out that he was the lowest level, same deaths, fewer kills. ANNNNND. He was mostly mad at Gordon. He said I was fine. Gordon was the one turret diving and feeding. Which he wasn't. And we all had damn near the same score. It was just one of those games where the enemy was able to stay a little more organized than we could. And Fiora was insanely powerful. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 20 2012,05:42
QUOTE OHHHhhhh. So, Trynd IS OP because people complain about it. And people are really smart! By that logic, then Noc is op (when you're not playing where anyone can witness it...). ![]() QUOTE And Fiora was insanely powerful. Did you write down her build? Posted by GORDON on Mar. 20 2012,06:09
(Leisher @ Mar. 20 2012,08:42) QUOTE QUOTE And Fiora was insanely powerful. Did you write down her build? Her build was to be fed by Cakedaddy a lot. ;-) Posted by Leisher on Mar. 20 2012,06:33
(GORDON @ Mar. 20 2012,09:09) QUOTE (Leisher @ Mar. 20 2012,08:42) QUOTE QUOTE And Fiora was insanely powerful. Did you write down her build? Her build was to be fed by Cakedaddy a lot. ;-) I've seen quite a few people with that build. Wish I could get it. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 20 2012,08:02
Ya, you've never seen me carry a game with most of the kills and ZERO deaths before.And Fiora started bottom lane, then went top. So, she was fed before I met her. Don't hate me because I'm awesome. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 20 2012,08:14
Was that the game with the Ezreal that melted down?
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 20 2012,08:32
QUOTE Ya, you've never seen me carry a game with most of the kills and ZERO deaths before. That reminds me, you know who's a big time kill stealer? Cakedaddy Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 20 2012,18:24
I don't remember the enemies. I try not to get too personal.It's not stealing the kill, it's getting the job done. If you could do it, I wouldn't have to. I never realized how jealous of my skill you are! Posted by GORDON on Mar. 20 2012,18:35
(Cakedaddy @ Mar. 20 2012,21:24) QUOTE I never realized how jealous of my skill you are! 33% of the time, you dominate the game every time. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 23 2012,07:39
It never occurred to me, but < I think Fiora is the Summoner Showcase chick. >
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 23 2012,11:21
I plan on playing tonight. Anyone else?
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 23 2012,12:12
YUP!
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 23 2012,16:58
I'm not on hotel Internet, so I should be good to go.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 27 2012,11:25
Created a smurf account to play with new champs. Played Urgot for the first time ever. He's not too bad. I did really well with him. But, considering I'm going against a mix of newbs and other smurfs, it's not saying much. He throws out a poison cloud that does damage over time. Anyone affected by the poison will be target locked by his missile. His missile cool down is 2 seconds at level 1. So, they can be rapid fired and have a really long range. If you activate his shield, then not only is he protected from some damage, but his missiles slow the target. Lastly, there's his 'swapping' ult. Stuns the target during channeling, then changes places with him. Not the best ult in the game as it can't be spammed. It's a strategic one that I (and I think anyone else that plays him) under used. There were a handful of times where I was chasing an enemy and could have killed him had I caught him. Well, switching places would have forced him to run back through me to their destination, or change directions and take an entirely different path. But since you use his ult so little, it's not constantly in your thoughts. Plus, I'm new with him. But again, in the dozens of times that we've played against Urgot, I've only been ulted a few times and I don't notice teammates being swapped either.But, he's fun and has really, really long range. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 28 2012,08:28
The Shen from that first game last night was the best Shen I've ever seen.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 02 2012,17:49
My stupid question last night:I asked if Lux was support... I always thought she was, because typically she is behind the main pack, and I never see her leading the charge or spending a lot of time solo, dropping her laser beam and getting triple kills on us when we are trying to maneuver. She is typically the first person we would target, but the last person we are able to reach. Our Lux was spending a lot of time solo. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 03 2012,18:24
I wasn't paying enough attention to him that game to comment. I can't really remember anything really wrong with that game. I don't even remember if we won or lost. I just remember that I wasn't pissed at the end of the night. Which is good.
Posted by Guest on Apr. 04 2012,17:54
We won that game April 02, 2012. Lux is support, and sorry if you got the impression i wasn't playing her right. Don't really recall the events of that game, so i can't really comment on my soloing, sorry.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 04 2012,18:06
She support? She has that shield thing, but other than that, isn't she all AP damage?
Posted by Guest on Apr. 04 2012,18:15
Shes counted "Support", her shield, well, shields people like a boomerang. Hits you on the way out, and on the way back. Her q stuns, and her e slows. But yes, they all deal good AP damage, i play her AP mage style, i don't really try to support, you know the whole clarity/heal clarity/clairvoyance with auras. Finales Funkeln is too powerful to not take advantage of.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 04 2012,18:16
Lux is one of those characters that when I am playing against her, I am always getting pissed.... a good one is always chilling in the back of her group, too far away to hit, and then at the end of a big fight she busts out her laser beam and kill-steals a triple kill from her teammates. Very frustrating.
Posted by Guest on Apr. 04 2012,18:19
Shes a hard one to play with all those skill shots. If you can't land them, you might as well go home. I don't play her all that much so i'm not very good with them, you won't see her again being i can't perform well with her.
Posted by Guest on Apr. 04 2012,18:20
Although somebody SHOULD learn how to pull those shots, shes a very good asset to a team with her beam and such.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 04 2012,20:27
Then ya, you definitely should have been with us. You stun and slow means dead enemies with the support of the rest of your team. Then you face melt the single file line of retreating enemies.Bad Scooty. Posted by Guest on Apr. 04 2012,20:53
Scooty ist ein baddie. My stun/slows actually need to hit in order to produce face melt results, but the theory is correct sir. Finales Funkeln indeed, face melts. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 04 2012,20:53
11/1/1 but they didn't give me a chance to build my stats. They surrendered pretty quickly. I was pissed that I died once. Fought Skarner and Volibear alone. Didn't waste my ult on the fight, but it might have bought me an escape. BTW, Scotty played a very annoying Alistar. 0/4/11 by going back and forth between lanes and not really letting either lane get a free farm. I liked it. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 05 2012,22:14
Although an AD Kennen didn't suck, I have to wonder how much better you'd do with AP. All of his spells do bonus AP damage. So, by going AD, you lose all bonuses. How is this different than going AD Sona?
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 05 2012,22:39
![]() Posted by Guest on Apr. 06 2012,22:41
Very different from going AD Sona. I don't even know what that means, sorry. Very hard to explain, but i assure you the theory is flawless. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 07 2012,23:22
I don't even know what to say at this point. It's all been said before.I guess at this point, I want to know who everyone is playing and in what lane before we even start a game. If it sounds good, then I'm in. If not, I'll sit that game out. We have no team consistency and simply refuse to stop targeting tanks. One person doing something stupid draws us all in. Whether it's attacking the wrong target, or entering a fight we should not be fighting. I still believe that Scooty's random champions and random builds hurt us. I don't care if Stranger is cool with it. It hurts us. Scooty and Gordon can't lane together because they end up fighting. We have to pick better solo tops. We lose top a lot. EVERYONE needs to buy wards. As one of our carries, I bought about 20 wards one game so we'd get coverage. So, I couldn't carry. Our carries should never buy wards. Our support characters are more concerned with their build than strategy. Our team builds are for shit. We have a carry, ap, tank(y), etc. But how well do they work together? That's never taken into consideration. It sucks when one or two people on the team pick who they want to play, then we have to build the rest of the team around them. And if the remaining people can't fill out the team well, too bad. Anyway, like I said, I want to know who's playing what and where before the game starts so I can decide if I want to play that game. Losing 8 out of the last 10 sucks and isn't fun. Or maybe I just haven't been getting enough sleep and am cranky. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 07 2012,23:33
Since I go Singed 99% of the time just so I know I am bringing my best game to the table, I expect a little leeway when I say I am going to play another character because I need a break.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 08 2012,12:42
QUOTE I don't even know what to say at this point. It's all been said before. Did you guys play again after Gordo and I left? I think you anger posted here, and while I agree with most, I think we're closer to better than worse. QUOTE I guess at this point, I want to know who everyone is playing and in what lane before we even start a game. If it sounds good, then I'm in. If not, I'll sit that game out. QUOTE I still believe that Scooty's random champions and random builds hurt us. I don't care if Stranger is cool with it. It hurts us. Stranger keeps saying we should play ranked games, but last night we had a game where he was playing solo top, Gordo went GP (no offense at all to Gordo, and I'll get into this more later), Scooty went as his 4th different champ that night (something I don't have a problem with either, but within reason...again, more later), and Cake and I were scrambling to figure out who to play. Once in game, our plan of attack early game was off the cuff, so we were on the same page, but not at the same time. Once that ended, we didn't have a clue who was laning where. I want to ask Stranger, "Do you think ANY of the teams in that tournament out in Vegas enter a game not knowing who they're going to play, who's laning where, etc.?" None of those teams are sitting down going, "Eh, I guess I'll solo top this time with Heimerdinger." THAT'S why I don't want to play ranked games yet. I couldn't care less if we lost. I care about being competitive. The reason it gets all quiet when we lose is because we're losing by beating ourselves. Cake, Gordo, and I play TT a lot. We win more than we lose, but when we lose it doesn't get all quiet. It's because we know what mistakes we made, or we know we simply got outplayed. And that doesn't mean everything is Scooty and Stranger's fault. It just means that our team isn't on the same page. QUOTE Scooty and Gordon can't lane together because they end up fighting. I agree that they need to hug it out. QUOTE Our team builds are for shit. We have a carry, ap, tank(y), etc. But how well do they work together? That's never taken into consideration. It sucks when one or two people on the team pick who they want to play, then we have to build the rest of the team around them. And if the remaining people can't fill out the team well, too bad. We honestly need a list of the folks everyone can play, and in which lane. I'm completely confident that Cake and Scooty could sit down and figure out exactly what combos work together. I think it starts at mid. We've literally been leaving mid for last and instead building based on one or more people's whims that game. That's not a formula for success. Champion selection has to be based on purpose, NOT on "I want to play THIS champ, where should I go?" QUOTE Losing 8 out of the last 10 sucks and isn't fun. I think that answers my first question, because my record over the last ten is a touch better. Back to some of the things I mentioned above: -I can mid. Who else can mid effectively? I honestly don't know. That's not a rip on people's skills, but who else has played mid well or a lot recently? Am I permanent mid or do we need to address this? -Gordo has been stuck as Singed a lot. If he's fine with it, cool, but I don't think it's fair. It also doesn't do a lot for our team. As Singed, I can lane with him, and I know I can count on him. Being honest, as Gangplank in mid, I didn't have as much faith. Nothing to do with his skills, but he doesn't get any time at mid. If Gordo wants to start going mid to work on his game there with Ryze, GP, or someone else, I'm cool moving. -We need a solid top, and I've been thinking about why I have so much trouble up there and realized it's a few things: 1. I'm playing it too aggressively. 2. I'm playing it as mid. 3. I'm not warding enough. 4. I need to play in front of my turret instead of in front of their turret. I would bet that those mistakes translate to others as well. -I'm stuck right now with MF, Trynd, and Teemo. I'm going to begin expanding a bit. I'm going to look at Nasus and I'd like to bring out Fiora a bit more. --Champion kills are NOT worth dying for. We were baited multiple times last night. By the way, the new patch will make killing a lower level champ worth less. (Not worthless.) -Scooty, you know I don't care about multiple champs or getting upset during game (I do too). If I'm being honest, here's where I see where you could change things up: 1. We played 4 or 5 games last night, and you played at least 4 champs. Your dad is right about not developing team consistency. What's funny is even Stranger buys into it. He supports you playing whoever you want, but he thinks we should all all defined roles (like if I was permanent mid). You played great as Nasus, owned as Yi, and then for some reason switched to Mundo, and then Rammus after hinting at Alistar and Nunu. 2. We can lane together. In fact, I like the combo of our styles as they match up. However once we destroy their turret, you can't leave me alone in lane without telling me. I was Teemo, the squishiest champ in the game, and a ranged AD carry with a support healer will have no problems pushing me off a turret. That's all I've got for now. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2012,13:21
I only went mid with GP last night because we had 3 at the bottom, I asked a couple times who was going mid, and when there was no answer I just went mid.I don't remember a lot of details of that last game with GP, but I am pretty sure I was #1 or #2 in the kill/death ratio for the team, so it wasn't a complete disaster. I do remember that I was hitting bad luck with my ult all the time... there is a one second delay between me dropping the cannon balls and the cannon balls dropping, and almost every time they were Flashing out of range when I dropped it. I wasn't very useful with my ult because of that, and that cost us 4 or 5 kills. Also I dropped my ult on a fight between Ronnie and whoever once, Ronnie was winning, and as soon as my ult dropped, Ronnie retreated. I have no idea what happened there. Bottom with Scooty, we just aren't on the same page. I do my exhaust/flip/poison thing, and I count on my lane buddy to do some damage, too, and maybe we'll get a kill. I wasn't getting that, and he criticized me because he didn't know when I was screwing with them, and when I was committing. I don't know what to say. And, we are back to the completely random champions with Scooty, again. I knew we were going to get beaten as soon as I saw Rammus during champ selection. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 08 2012,13:49
I did not play another game. I did not want to lose another. I would have been playing with Scooty and Stranger.They both have the ability to win games, as long as they feel like playing a champ they are good at that game. Damn near every SR game, Gordon goes Singed to bring his A game. Scooty and Stranger play whoever sounds fun to them. Leisher and I try to pick from champs we play well to fill out the team. This fails more than it succeeds. The end of SR games are quiet because we all know what went wrong, but can't talk about it without starting a fight. The end of our TT games, I don't have a problem telling you that you weren't participating in enough fights with Fiora, because I know you aren't going to defend yourself by pointing out a bunch of things you think I did wrong. We can share our opinions with each other without pissing each other off. Scooty's answer for not doing well is "You guys stole my kills". He'd never admit, or let us point out that he played a champ that he's not good at and made bad choices during the game. Not to mention that pointing out how Scooty could have played better with the team as Mundo is useless because we won't see Mundo again for about 15-25 games. So, we take what we are given and move on to the next game. There really isn't much to say. Scooty and Strangers play style is different from Leisher, Gordon and Cake. They want the kill, no matter what. They will take excessive risk for a kill and hope they can escape after. L, G and C wait for opportunities where the odds of us scoring a kill are greater. When we out number the other team, etc. We aren't perfect and we make mistakes or under estimate the other team. But we view surviving a fight as the most important thing. S and S view the kill as the most important thing. They feel that as long as their kill+assist is greater than their deaths, then they are doing well. So, 2/10/12 is viewed as a good score. I don't hold assists in such high esteem. Since our entire team can pick up an assist by killing ONE enemy, that assist should only be worth 1/5 of a death. So, your assists should be FAR higher than your deaths. You have some AOE affect on their team as you rush in 5v1, we manage to kill two of them, but get aced. You picked up two assists to your one death. Was that good enough in this situation? Not to mention the assists the rest of our team picked up when we all died to the other team. We've all watched the pros play and have picked up different things from them. Getting people to apply that knowledge is like pulling teeth. The biggest thing I've learned is DO NOT DIE. They are experts at last hitting minions and escaping the jungle ganks. 23 minutes of an SR game with only one death? That's unheard of in our games. I'm all for taking advantage of an over zealous enemy, but not at the risk/expense of our own deaths. Do not die. If the fight isn't leading to an obvious win, pull out. No harm in not scoring a kill when you could have. Great harm comes from dying. As far as copying other people's builds. That's not enough. The build rarely makes the player. That Kas we were playing against last night. I don't care who ends up with that build. NONE of us could play Kas like that right now. That guy knew what he was doing. The build is only 40% of the success. When people don't practice the champ along with the build, they will not be successful. That's all I've got for now. I've typed enough. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2012,14:05
Jungler... GET PINK EYE, goddamit. ;)
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 08 2012,14:55
Exactly. They just wouldn't. Even in the game where we KNEW they had a shit ton of wards everywhere. Just wouldn't do it. The next game, I don't think it was missed because the enemy wasn't warding much, but still. It's aggravating when the team is asking for something, and it doesn't get done because it doesn't directly improve or enhance someone's build. Just means that other people have to do even more, hurting their build even more.
Posted by Guest on Apr. 08 2012,15:08
I never had a problem with Steve last night, not once. I asked him if he was harassing or committing to a fight, not "What the fuck are you doing Gordon, are you retarded?". If everyone is going to take my comments/ideas/things i say as an insult or talking back or a one-liner, you won't hear me in voice saying anything. Which i've done countless times. I'm tired of my suggestions and comments being taken personal every damn time, so i'm just shutting the hell up. Do what you want, i won't have any "Snarky one liner comments" for you......Yi is fun for about 15 minutes, just throwing that out there. Hes boring as hell for the most part, because i've mastered him. Where is Ronnie? Why has he not been setup on the forums yet. Its awesome that we're all here talking strategy, but we're missing a teammate. His input is as important as the rest of ours, he can borrow my account and post if its some kind of unknown issue? Melee AD Carry: Yi Ranged AD Carry: Kennen Melee Tank: Nasus/Malphite Ranged AP: Annie Melee AP: Kassadin Off Tank: Renekton Support: Zilean/Alistar/Kayle/Karma/Lux/Taric ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Solo Top: Hell no Mid: Favorite Bottom: Sure Jungler: Sure Roamer: Sure ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^^^^^^^Everyone should make one of these^^^^^^^^ Tank and Support are really up to the team. Being their role is "The Team", you take a look at the champions and tell me which one you'd like to see based on abilities. Oh and they both tank equally, i play them both equally well so "Nasus cuse your better with him" is not a valid answer (This is why my Rammus failed last night (thanks for the comment Steve thats awesome and totally helpful btw) because i used to listen to how good of a Rammus i was back a while ago, we needed a tank, you know Rammus better then you know Alistar, i picked Rammus).......... Same with Support. I play them all equally well and have good fun with them all, so you tell me which one you'd like to see. Also take into consideration the styles i listed. I love to play middle lane, but if you ask me to play Malphite that game, obviously middle isn't an option, nor jungle, expect me to go either bottom lane or roam. You get the idea, but just whatever you do. DON'T put me in top lane, for the following reasons: Just can't handle it, i feed like mad when i'm alone up top which just makes me a very very very angry gamer (Its pretty easy to piss me off if you hadn't noticed heheh). The Jungler is never near top especially when i'm being ganked under my turret by 2 enemies. And thats fine, can't expect them to be everywhere at once, but you'd think top would be the first priority especially when they're crammed up my turrets ass. The two games i played Top Nasus, both times feed like i've never feed before (under my own turret) but the Jungler (Ronnie/Randy) never got the clue. It seemed they'd rather gank bottom or middle where they have a better chance of scoring a kill and surviving because they out numbered the enemy 2/1 3/2. I think keeping top on a leash is way more important, because now your Nasus who's supposed to be dominating the game with his Q spell, can't do shit because he has no items, is 6 levels behind, and his Q spell is 1/10th of its power because he never has anything to feed it on (or hes dead).... Thats all i can come up with. Input on my champion/lane select would be helpful. If this is a problem, don't flip out! Its okay! Its just my idea, calm down. We don't have to try it if you don't like it. Posted by Guest on Apr. 08 2012,15:15
(Cakedaddy @ Apr. 08 2012,14:55) QUOTE Exactly. They just wouldn't. Even in the game where we KNEW they had a shit ton of wards everywhere. Just wouldn't do it. The next game, I don't think it was missed because the enemy wasn't warding much, but still. It's aggravating when the team is asking for something, and it doesn't get done because it doesn't directly improve or enhance someone's build. Just means that other people have to do even more, hurting their build even more. I bought pink eye when i was Yi Jungle. Hence the "Oh so then it was a total waste to buy this then....." comment. I had been listening to you guys bitch constantly about this "pink eye", so i bought it 10 minutes later when i finally had enough money and time to go back to buy, and then i get to hear "Oh yea we don't need a pink eye they aren't warding anything"....... REALLY>>>>>>>> So "They" just wouldn't is invalid. Ronnie just wouldn't is quite valid. You ask me to buy/do something i do it, don't put me in the "OH I JUST GOTTA GET BLUE FIRST" group, because thats BS and you know it. I leave Jungle when asked and even when not asked, i just know. I purchase wards when i go back and have gold to purchase them, and i purchase plenty of them. Just because it doesn't say "Scooty bought a sight ward" 5 times in a row, doesn't mean i only bought 1 sight ward. It means the game doesn't feel the need to spam when i buy 5 wards at a time. Very rarely do i pass up the purchase of a buff/ward that a teammate suggests. The only time i'll do that is to purchase my boots so i can keep up with people, and then i'll go buy 5 wards as soon as i have enough money. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 08 2012,17:37
Buying pink eye needs to happen before 15 minutes into the game. Waiting 10 minutes until you have enough money can't possibly be valid. It shouldn't take you 10 minutes to earn 400 gold. People put their build before the team.I'm not sold on the AD kennen thing. All of his abilities are AP bonus based. By not taking AP, your abilities are gimped. Granted, you are attacking faster and hitting harder, but is that really how he should be played? That would be similar to going AD Jana. She can attack fast and has decent attack damage, but all of her abilities are gimped now. You dropping snarky one liners has been your thing from the beginning. Forgive us if we interpret some of your statements as another one. As you continue to be civil in chat, we will become less sensitive. Stranger has been setup. Not sure why he's not here. It's hard for us to make a list of champs so we can build good teams/strategies with them, when the lists change constantly. We've been through this before. You make a list of champs you are going to play, so we know what champs you are going to play. Then you change you list. So, in the end, we still don't really know what you are going to play because your list changes. You started a whole new thread where we post our dedicated 5 champion list. Not only did you list change in that thread, NONE of your original 5 dedicated champs are on the list you have above! And two of the champs you played last night are not on that list, and two others that you considered playing aren't on that list. So, making a list that isn't followed or static is useless. Yes, agreed that the jungler should be paying special attention to top lane. Like I was last night when I was called out for not paying any attention to bottom who was in desperate need of a gank. I don't hang around waiting for a gank to appear. I travel through the jungle, keeping it clear, looking for an opportunity. If there isn't one, I move on. When I was near bottom, there was no gank, so I moved on. I also assumed that bottom would be able to hold their lane. If they can't, a gank isn't going to solve that problem. It will help, but only temporarily. If we are losing a lane, a personnel change may be in order. Having the jungler camp that lane isn't an option. You have often called out our junglers as being 'crappy'. But the jungler's job is to level quickly by keeping the jungle clear and to take advantage of ganking opportunities. The laners must hold their lanes. If they can't, it is their own fault. And I know how to lane with Gordon. I know how he plays singed, I know what he's capable of, etc. It's because I've laned with him as Singed many many times. You don't have that advantage because you guys don't lane together much. None of us have the advantage of knowing how you play any given champ. Because we don't see them with any consistency. Like I've said many many times. You and Gordon don't mesh well because neither of you have experience playing with each other. That can be said about anyone that has to lane with you. We have an idea of what your champ does, but NO idea how you use that champ. I count on flips from Gordon. I anticipate them. I capitalize on them. That is all lost when laning with you. Can't anticipate anything because it's always new. Lastly, clean up your language or you are grounded. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2012,17:54
(Cakedaddy @ Apr. 08 2012,20:37) QUOTE Stranger has been setup. Not sure why he's not here Haven't set him up yet due to laziness. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2012,17:55
(Cakedaddy @ Apr. 08 2012,20:37) QUOTE Yes, agreed that the jungler should be paying special attention to top lane. Like I was last night when I was called out for not paying any attention to bottom who was in desperate need of a gank. That was me getting frustrated. Apologies. Posted by Guest on Apr. 08 2012,17:59
QUOTE You dropping snarky one liners has been your thing from the beginning. Forgive us if we interpret some of your statements as another one. As you continue to be civil in chat, we will become less sensitive. The Golden rule. Keep your "Mundo has no kills" comments to yourself. Please. That doesn't help anyone, it just pisses me off and gets me kicked off the team. If you don't like how i talk to you, don't say dumb things. You make that one comment, and i'll remember it for the rest of the night making several of my own. We know you like to be cool in front of all your internet buddies, but seriously. If your going to say dumb crap just do it in ingame chat so i can report you. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2012,18:01
(Scooty Poof @ Apr. 08 2012,20:59) QUOTE QUOTE You dropping snarky one liners has been your thing from the beginning. Forgive us if we interpret some of your statements as another one. As you continue to be civil in chat, we will become less sensitive. The Golden rule. Keep your "Mundo has no kills" comments to yourself. Please. That doesn't help anyone, it just pisses me off and gets me kicked off the team. If you don't like how i talk to you, don't say dumb things. You make that one comment, and i'll remember it for the rest of the night making several of my own. We know you like to be cool in front of all your internet buddies, but seriously. If your going to say dumb crap just do it in ingame chat so i can report you. That's just bad parenting, right there. Posted by Guest on Apr. 08 2012,18:05
(GORDON @ Apr. 08 2012,18:01) QUOTE (Scooty Poof @ Apr. 08 2012,20:59) QUOTE QUOTE You dropping snarky one liners has been your thing from the beginning. Forgive us if we interpret some of your statements as another one. As you continue to be civil in chat, we will become less sensitive. The Golden rule. Keep your "Mundo has no kills" comments to yourself. Please. That doesn't help anyone, it just pisses me off and gets me kicked off the team. If you don't like how i talk to you, don't say dumb things. You make that one comment, and i'll remember it for the rest of the night making several of my own. We know you like to be cool in front of all your internet buddies, but seriously. If your going to say dumb crap just do it in ingame chat so i can report you. That's just bad parenting, right there. What am i supposed to say?! I mean really, just take the comments up the butt and not have anything to say? Maybe we could just try, not trash talking our teammates? Especially the ones we know might take it a bit more personally than the next? Just a thought. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2012,18:07
I was just being funny and posted that to make my wife laugh.Also to insult your father. Which also makes her laugh. Posted by Guest on Apr. 08 2012,18:16
(GORDON @ Apr. 08 2012,18:07) QUOTE I was just being funny and posted that to make my wife laugh. Also to insult your father. Which also makes her laugh. Nah its not a parenting problem, I'm just a bitter little douche bag. Thats all there is to it. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 08 2012,18:16
But. What if Mundo should have kills? You play the version that doesn't kill? If so, please switch.Feel free to tell me when I sucked after a game. You won't hear "you stole all my kills". I know when I sucked. I also know when I'm getting turret dove and can't do anything about my high death count. Either way, I'll own up to it and learn from the crappy game I just played. You don't. It's always someone else's fault. You also make it easy to blame stuff on because you are the wild card on the team. You are the one that is preventing us from building any kind of consistency. Most of the champs you play, we have no idea how to use. We go into team fights hoping things work out. We can't capitalize on what you do, because we aren't used to it. Etc. See the many many posts regarding this. It may not always be your fault, but you always contribute to it by adding that handicap. We play a game and you dominate with Yi. Two games later, you are mundo and we get wrecked. I know it was on MY mind that I wished you had played Yi again. Gordon said as soon as he saw Rammus, he knew we were going to lose. I didn't. I've seen you play Rammus well. But, when I saw Mundo, I knew we were going to lose. I don't think we were going to win the last game against Kas, no matter what. But you can see how it's easy to blame you because you bring randomness to our team. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2012,18:19
Ah, I dont remember any Rammus.
Posted by Guest on Apr. 08 2012,18:24
I comment on your crappy play and i get to listen to you screaming into the mic like a lunatic. Besides, is that not a "snarky comment" anyway? I never open my mouth at the end of the game commenting on how crappy another teammate played, because thats quite SNARKY>>>>>>>Your own medicine, taste it please. Master Yi it is. Errday. Capitalize all you want, just know i'll only be on for a game or two at most, Yi is extremely boring to play. Mundo had the least deaths that game, my assists were double my deaths, and i had some kills. Not zero kills. Posted by Guest on Apr. 08 2012,18:28
And another thing. You tell me i'm doing something wrong in game, i state my rebuttal, and you fly off the handle claiming i'm never wrong. I tell you your doing something wrong in game, you state your rebuttal, and if i try to clarify, you fly off the handle. Where in there, do i have the ability to criticize your gameplay? Please, point it out, i'm having trouble finding that answer. Where in there, aren't you getting snarky and nasty with your teammates over a simple suggestion or comment on your "perfect" play. Do tell. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 08 2012,18:35
I get pissed in chat when you argue. If I/we see you doing something wrong, over and over, I'm going to call you on it. You defend it by either telling me I'm crazy and what we all see happening isn't really happening. We are imagining it. Or, you defend yourself by pointing out things that other people are doing wrong as well. So, instead of adjusting your game play, you argue. Then we are going back and forth, in chat, and no one wants to listen to that. When I comment on your crappy play, it's to improve the team's situation. When you do, it's to be vindictive.Me: "Scooty, you have to stop fighting both of them outside of your turret. They are going to get you every time." You: "Good job noc. That was dumb. What were you thinking?" Even your comments here are pretty nonconstructive. "Your own medicine, taste it please." What does that even mean? I don't even see how it applies. There's a difference between pointing out faults to be constructive and pointing out faults to be destructive. Your comments are normally in retaliation, which is destructive. No one is asking you to play Yi only. Not once has anyone done that. We are asking for SOME consistency though. Like, 5 champs worth. We play 5 games any given night at most anyway. So, a different one every game. But pulled from a list we have SOME chance of getting used to. Posted by Guest on Apr. 08 2012,18:37
QUOTE I'm not sold on the AD kennen thing. All of his abilities are AP bonus based. By not taking AP, your abilities are gimped. Granted, you are attacking faster and hitting harder, but is that really how he should be played? That would be similar to going AD Jana. She can attack fast and has decent attack damage, but all of her abilities are gimped now. See this ties into how your NOT Allah. Let me explain this to you. Kennen is indeed an AP centered champion. If you knew what his w spell did passively, you might begin to grasp the concept of an ASAD Kennen build. Further, with his overall passive, plus his ult, you may understand that AD kennen is not a joke. I don't use his abilities to do damage i use them to stun the hell out of everything i come in contact with. When that has been completed, i proceed to crit crit crit crit crit them to death. Research goes a long way, try if before you criticize my builds Mr. Boots of swiftness on my ranged AD carries LULZ Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 08 2012,18:40
I'll also add that when you are playing with your friends from school, you are totally different. When they comment on something you are doing, you are polite and adjust your game play. You communicate well, AND YOU PLAY YI!!!! You give them the best version of 'you' you possibly can. That's all we are asking for. I feel like we are your practice team so you can play better with your college friends.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2012,18:44
Anyone under the age of 28 is an idiot.
Posted by Guest on Apr. 08 2012,18:46
QUOTE When I comment on your crappy play, it's to improve the team's situation. When you do, it's to be vindictive. Did god tell you i was being vindictive? Not sure why your taking it that way, sounds like your the one with the anger problem. My criticism is no different from yours. QUOTE So, instead of adjusting your game play, you argue. I could say the very same about you. Instead of adjusting your game play, you have a micro-conniption at your desk. I'm not arguing. I've said this hundreds of hundreds of times. I'm stating my thought process when doing whatever it is you have a problem with, or i'm explaining why i decided to do what i did. Its up to you whether you want to cry about it or not, but i'm telling you right now i'm not arguing with you. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 08 2012,18:47
See, now you are just pushing buttons. I have yet to call you any names, and you are being facetious with me.I have done research. I've seen his abilities. I've explained why I disagree with your build in a civil manner. You come back with. . . what you posted above. Uncalled for. What in: CODE I'm not sold on the AD kennen thing. All of his abilities are AP bonus based. By not taking AP, your abilities are gimped. Granted, you are attacking faster and hitting harder, but is that really how he should be played? That would be similar to going AD Jana. She can attack fast and has decent attack damage, but all of her abilities are gimped now. warranted the response you gave? Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 08 2012,18:50
QUOTE Research goes a long way, try if before you criticize my builds Mr. Boots of swiftness on my ranged AD carries LULZ I don't need god to show your vindictiveness. And that is exactly the type of response that I get in game while pointing something out. So yes, I scream like a lunatic to end the argument. Posted by Guest on Apr. 08 2012,18:50
I'm facetious with you because i'm tired of you being a hypocrite.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 08 2012,22:28
I don't even know what you are talking about. How am I a hypocrite? And if you don't change your tone, I'm going to stop talking to you here. EVERY response you give is crappy. Lose the attitude and let's have a discussion. Otherwise, it's just you being as rude as you can with each post, and I'm not going to participate. I get the feeling you are simply trying to be rebellious in front of my Internet buddies.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 10 2012,10:33
The patch is apparently delayed. No word on when it'll hit. Somewhere Super Teemo is crying. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 10 2012,12:08
QUOTE I play on the PBE and the new patch has been causing awesomely bad lag. Several characters who are really dependent on split second response, such as Lee Sin and Akali, are utterly unplayable, and most skill shots aren't hitting due to the delay.
A bunch of champs are also having trouble with one or more skill (damageless Karthus ults, Wukongs that can't move during decoy, etc.). Also some subsystems are broken now, such as surrendering and chat. It is way better for them to fix this stuff now rather than later. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 10 2012,13:18
Had to look up to see what was going on< http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1988091 > I didn't see anything about screwing around with latency... I was having flashbacks to 2000 when they added the latency code to Team Fortress Classic to make dialup peeps more effective, which fucked up the game and I never played it again. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 11 2012,13:18
Hey guys, im happy to finally be apart of this discussion. i have read the last few pages of it and its interesting to say the least.. First off, as much as you guys may think that im playing whatever charecter i think is fun at the moment i am not.I have been using different charecters for different for different rolls. My selection of champs basically revolves around 5 guys. Jungle: Skarner, Udyr, and occasionally Shyvanna Solo Top: I like Shyvanna, Garen or even Udyr AP Mid: i have been trying Ahri (i own Ziggs and Brand but choose not to play them just for the sake of having fun cause i dont think i play very well with them) Bottom: i like AD Kog (I don't play many AD carries either cause i feel that i haven't performed well with them either) So if anything im trying to fill out every roll that i can on the team so i can be as versatile as can be. Lately yes, i have played Ahri because apart from the occasional Ziggs or Brand or AP Teemo, our team sorely lacks any variety of AP casters. Not that im the best with them but i wanna be able to fulfill that roll if necessary. I have not tried AD carries because Leisher, Alex and Scooty have all proven they can AD carry with ease. Trust me guys, i want nothing more than to be a team player. but i think in normal unranked games is the best place for us to try different things and strategies. How else are we gonna find what works best for us if we dont try differnt things? Now when we do play ranked you better believe i'll most likely be playing my Jungle Skarner or Udyr cause i feel thats my strongest right now. I guess im a lil more open to trying other charecters in unranked cause really thats not where it counts. Its the ranked games we should be serious about. how are we supposed to see what else our team offers if we only see Singed, MF and Ashe? Im willing to play any role for our team. I also own Taric witch is a great support.. I'll play bottom lane and get no CS and let our AD carry get all the minion kills if thats whats needed. Either way i love playing LOL but i dont love the tension sometimes. i wanna win just a much as everyone else but we should be trying different strategies too.. ya never know, we might find different rolls that make our team much better... Glad to be apart of the Forums boys and i look forward to playing lots more with ya guys!!! DEMACIA!!!!!!!! Posted by GORDON on Apr. 12 2012,06:11
I think Cakedaddy got paralyzed on his dirtbike. Haven't heard from him.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 12 2012,07:26
He finally messaged me and said that because he is paralyzed he is still not playing, tonight.Let's hope he gets his feeding tube and colostomy bag in order so he is available this weekend. Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 12 2012,08:12
DRAMA
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 12 2012,09:18
LMS 4 rate
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 12 2012,09:46
QUOTE Hey guys, im happy to finally be apart of this discussion. i have read the last few pages of it and its interesting to say the least.. First off, as much as you guys may think that im playing whatever charecter i think is fun at the moment i am not. I don't think anyone is saying that about you. You're Skarner, Udyr, Shyvanna, Garan, sometimes Kog, and Ahri is new. That's off the top of my head. Did I miss a character? QUOTE So if anything im trying to fill out every roll that i can on the team so i can be as versatile as can be. QUOTE Trust me guys, i want nothing more than to be a team player. but i think in normal unranked games is the best place for us to try different things and strategies. How else are we gonna find what works best for us if we dont try differnt things? Here's where we're having a problem as a team getting on the same page. Consistency keeps getting mentioned, and I think we need to explain it in more detail: Back when we started playing I was using Garan and then Trynd. I did decently, but had a really hard time against ranged foes. However, after a lot of practice, I learned how to fight them. Then I started playing ranged characters and would play mid from time to time, and I sucked. However, I practiced and played a lot of games, and now I think I'm the best mid on our team, and a lot better than most mids we see. Yes, I said that. Far more often than not, I'm killing not feeding in mid, and taking out their turret before they get our turret. That's 1v1 without taking any junglers/ganks into account. However, lately I've tried to go solo top with MF, and I've had trouble. It's odd because it seems like it'd be just like mid, but it's not. So I'm practicing... Taking this a bit further, I lane with Gordo and Cake very well. We know what we're each doing, and communicate excellently. However, I've been playing video games with them since the mid 90s. Point being, I can lane with Gordo/Cake, I can play mid, I can play AD carries, etc. because of practice and repetition. To put this a different way... Larry Bird wasn't born with basketball skills. He worked hard his whole life by practicing, practicing again, and practicing some more before he became a legend. Michael Jordan was born with the ability to play basketball, but never won shit because he didn't know how to play with a team. Once he learned that skill, he became the greatest player ever. A skill that LeBron James does not possess, so despite his fantastic game, he can't win shit. Consistency. Repetition. Gordo will tell you that he used to think of himself as the weak link on the team. He used to think that he'll never be good enough to compete. Now he's the most solid role player on our team. Consistency. Repetition. We should be heading into games with an idea of what role each other is going to play, and some idea of characters. As things have been lately, we might as well all just choose "Random" at character selection. And I say that as someone who's all for using more than 5 characters per person!!! I don't think Gordo should be stuck as Singed. I don't think you should always be our jungler. I don't think I should always be mid or the AD carry. Etc. However, I also don't think that we should be switching everything up EVERY game. That's not productive. It doesn't give anyone a chance to learn anything except to lose and fight amongst ourselves. Right now, our standard is: Me mid with MF Gordo bot with Singed Stranger jungle with Skarner/Udyr Cake ? Scooty ? So why are Cake and Scooty question marks? Because of inconsistency. Cake's is easy to explain, he's filling whatever role the team needs. Based on what Scooty or you pick he'll either top with Maokai or bot as Ashe with Gordo or jungle with Noc. I have been a defender for Scooty since day one, even though he has thought otherwise, but in this area, he is wrong, and so is Stranger. You guys haven't noticed, but Cake, and a lot of times myself are basing our champions game by game based on who you decide to play and what role you're taking. When that changes on a game by game basis, nobody is learning anything because our roles aren't secured, we haven't played them enough, and we're not going to get practice because we're getting steamrolled by teams with consistency. That's NOT saying we can't play different champs or try different roles!!!!!!!!!!![U] Let's just please get on the same page prior to the champion select screen where we have a running timer, and guys taking 40 seconds to decide who they'll play and what they'll do. Consistency. Repetition. QUOTE I guess im a lil more open to trying other charecters in unranked cause really thats not where it counts. Its the ranked games we should be serious about. how are we supposed to see what else our team offers if we only see Singed, MF and Ashe? Im willing to play any role for our team. I also own Taric witch is a great support.. I'll play bottom lane and get no CS and let our AD carry get all the minion kills if thats whats needed. Either way i love playing LOL but i dont love the tension sometimes. i wanna win just a much as everyone else but we should be trying different strategies too.. ya never know, we might find different rolls that make our team much better... I'm moving to this quote only for the "try different things in unranked games" theme, but I'm continuing from above as well. I agree. Unranked is exactly where we should be practicing. And FYI, our attempts to play unranked games with champion banning, proves every point I'm trying to make. Some of us might have played more characters than others, that doesn't mean we're good with them nor does it mean we are going to be an asset to our team as someone they've never seen or aren't used to playing. Without going to look it up, I just picked Twitch, think to yourself about what he brings to the team. What lane would I go to with him? What items am I getting? What's his ult? How good is his sustain? Scooty knows these characters better than anyone, and any of us could look them up prior to the game starting, but even after reading about them, we don't know what they do. There's no experience there. No consistency... Perhaps you're right Stranger about "roles"? Maybe we should have one jungler, one tank, one mid, one support, one bot? The person in that role could play ANY character for that role, but must stay in that role. That works for some pro teams. I'll let everyone else weigh in on that, but I personally don't love it. I want to play different roles. However, I want to learn them, not just jump into them on a whim. So take our standard again. I'm at mid, Gordo's at bot, Scooty is top solo, Cake is at bot, and Stranger is jungling. Is everyone awesome in these roles? Do we know how each other's champions work? Quick, what's the countdown on Singed's ult? What is his ult? Know what's funny? I have no idea. Not that necessary need to know the game that well, but we're not yet perfect, particularly because we keep shuffling the deck...poorly. Poorly because it's without discussion, logic, or even a plan. It's all on whims, and that doesn't equal success. And at the end of the day I think the number one thing to keep in mind is that my complaint stems from one desire: "I don't care if we lose. I care if we're competitive." We have not been competitive lately. We're getting beat by teams we should be rolling through, but we're a grease fire at the moment. Truthfully, I don't think we have a "standard" at the moment. If we played a ranked game, and I want to, I have no idea who is going where. I have not one iota of a clue as to who Scooty would play or what role. That's not picking on him, that's just pointing out that our team isn't on the same page yet. THAT'S why we've been avoiding ranked games. You won't hear us bitch if we lose. You'll hear us bitching if we lose because we didn't play as a team. Right now, can you tell me who would go where and who they'd play or would you be guessing? Do you honestly trust each person to do their job? What is each person's job? I think we all have little flaws here and there: Me - Too aggro and need to use wards more in early mid. Needs to position better during team fights. Can focus farming a bit much. Gets lost at times in massive team fights. Literally loses the mouse on screen. Clicks too much, which is odd when playing an autoattack champ this can make him lose his targets. Gordo - Stuck as Singed. Seems less tanky than other Singeds. Doesn't have a lot of flexibility in his build. Stranger - Needs to prioritize which lanes need help better. Needs to stop trying to gank at 50% health. Needs to learn what "stay under the turret" means. ![]() Scooty - Focuses too much on champion kills. Needs to communicate better. Still plays with a solo focus. Needs to learn better defensive tactics. Cake - Needs to focus a position. Formerly used to call out targets, but for some reason that stopped. Needs to be straighter. hehe Strengths: Me - Best mid on the team. Has a strong grasp of overall strategy in game. Gordo - By far, the best role player. More secure in his role than anyone else. Him choosing Singed gives me more confidence in a game than anyone else's selections, including my own. Stranger - Solid jungler. Good team player. Really good initiator, just doesn't realize it yet (I honestly just came to this conclusion while thinking about your game). Might honestly be missing his calling as a tank (initiates, stuns, etc.). Scooty - When he's Yi, hes should be carrying a wallet that says, "Badass motherfucker" on it. Most versatile player on the team. Most knowledge of champions. Our best 1v1 fighter. Cake - Best team player on team. Picks to play what we need, not what he wants. Solid player at every role he plays. Can literally fill any role the team needs competently. Our team is solid, but we don't have a great team yet because we have undefined roles, we haven't been honest with ourselves or each other in terms of weaknesses, and we're not playing as a team, but more as individuals. (Those are the games when we get pissed. Losing has nothing to do with it. It's the effort...) So back to that standard...if folks want to change things up, let's do it for an entire night, a week, a month...just not game by game. Perhaps I can take Twitch jungling, Stranger can cover top with Shyvanna, Gordo can go mid with GP, Scooty can go bot with...?... and Cake can support bot with Soraka? OR I can go solo top with a tank (Cho or Nasus), Cake can go mid with Ziggs, Stranger can jungle with Udyr/Skarner, and bot can be Gordo/GP and Scooty/Lux? OR whatever the hell else we come up with, but whatever we do, let's do it consistently and do it multiple times... And if anyone still doesn't get the point of what we're asking, ask yourself this: "Does your wife/finance/girlfriend give good head? How do you think she got so good?" QUOTE He finally messaged me and said that because he is paralyzed he is still not playing, tonight. That's ok, I'm out tonight too. I'm spending time with Jillian tonight after the kids go to bed. We're going to watch The Princess Bride. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 12 2012,10:00
Cake is paralyzed, Leisher grew a vagina. Got it.As for me playing Singed, I don't see it as being "stuck" with it. I enjoy playing him, and flipping someone is like I have an electrode wired directly to the pleasure center of my brain. I do love it so. As for being a less tanky Singed, 99% of the time that is by design. Singed's little passive power is that for every 100 mana he has, he gets 25 bonus health. So, since Singed is an AP character, My first 2-3 items are big AP/Mana boosters, since that both gives me damage-dealing ability, and health. After the first few items, I take note of how I am doing.... if I am getting killed a lot, at that point I go with the armor. By late game, no matter what my build, I am full-on tanky. But, 75% of our games, I am not getting my late-game build. I'd say I hit level 18 about half the time, and half of those times I have gotten enough kills to have an 80% full build. In summary, I don't often get a full build. But, I don't feel "stuck" as Singed. I have more fun being a very effective teammate than I do playing lots of characters for lots of variety. That being said, I still do like a break, every now and again, so I play GP or Ryze or something, but 95% of the time I am happy with big ol' OP Singed. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 12 2012,10:31
QUOTE As for me playing Singed, I don't see it as being "stuck" with it. I enjoy playing him, and flipping someone is like I have an electrode wired directly to the pleasure center of my brain. I do love it so. As for being a less tanky Singed, 99% of the time that is by design. Singed's little passive power is that for every 100 mana he has, he gets 25 bonus health. So, since Singed is an AP character, My first 2-3 items are big AP/Mana boosters, since that both gives me damage-dealing ability, and health. After the first few items, I take note of how I am doing.... if I am getting killed a lot, at that point I go with the armor. By late game, no matter what my build, I am full-on tanky. But, 75% of our games, I am not getting my late-game build. I'd say I hit level 18 about half the time, and half of those times I have gotten enough kills to have an 80% full build. In summary, I don't often get a full build. But, I don't feel "stuck" as Singed. I have more fun being a very effective teammate than I do playing lots of characters for lots of variety. That being said, I still do like a break, every now and again, so I play GP or Ryze or something, but 95% of the time I am happy with big ol' OP Singed. When we played ranked and Singed is banned or taken with the first pick by the other team who will you then play, what lane will you go in, and how does that affect the rest of team. You might sit and think of decisions that work, but we'll have about 15-30 seconds to make ALL of those decisions as soon as Singed is out of your hands. Plus, you playing as one guy means we're building around you. Thus, everyone on our team should own him so aside from a ban, we can be sure to get him for you. And I withdraw "stuck" because I wasn't implying you hated playing him, but I know sometimes you want to do something else, and I think we should accommodate that. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 12 2012,11:49
So maybe then before each game we think of a comp that works good together. Like maybe we wanna have a team that has killer crowd control with tons of stuns and slows. or maybe a really tanky team with one hard hitting carry to deliver the damage, and its everyones job to keep the enemy off that player at all costs. Maybe we build a poke comp team that sits at towers and does damage from a distance and never really engages the enemy. Maybe a mobile team that can counterjungle really well and split push.. Whatever anybody wants to try, im game for it all.. i like the idea of having a strategy before we even start. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 12 2012,11:53
QUOTE So maybe then before each game we think of a comp that works good together. No. No. No. I don't think you fully read my wall of text. Consistency. Repetition. We can do new lineups and such, but not before each game. Once we set one, that's our lineup for the night, week, month, whatever. QUOTE i like the idea of having a strategy before we even start. That's what good teams do and that's all we're saying. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 12 2012,21:30
I agree with 95% of what Leisher has posted. It's the part about me having weaknesses that I disagree with.I don't think it would be a bad idea for us to discuss team composition. What 5 champs would make a good team. Try to build them using the champs we play. If we find weaknesses, we can try to accommodate them by adding champs to our line up. BUT, when I say consistency, I mean playing champs over and over. Especially the same night. Seeing a champ in action once a week for 8 weeks is WAY different than seeing him 8 games in a row. I'll learn WAY more about that champ 8 games in a row. One thing I've learned, and I've stated here, watching to pros: They do not care about champion kills. MANY minutes pass before a kill is scored. I'm proposing an exercise. Lets play a few games where we score NO kills. If a fight breaks out, we leave and find something else to do. The ONLY thing we do is push turrets. If the enemy is in top lane, we leave a couple to play defense with the turrets and the other three push bottom. We roam around as a team hitting undefended turrets. I believe we can still win by doing this. The enemies won't have the discipline to maintain their push. They WILL break off to play defense. They'll take towers, but not entire lanes. If they do, well, so will we. Learn to farm and focus on the ONE thing that wins the game. Pushing. I think it would be awesome to win a game having scored NO kills. I also believe that by avoiding combat, the enemy will try even harder to force it. That's what people want. They want the PVP. Deny them and they'll get desperate and stupid. I'll try to be team leader more. Cake has weaknesses. HEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEHHEH That was funny. . . Posted by GORDON on Apr. 13 2012,08:08
I will be on tonight, and y'all better be on too because tomorrow I get to sleep in so I plan on being up late, drinking, and gaming.End of conversation. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 13 2012,08:13
< What's up with the patch and some surprising tidbits. >"Right click a friend's name and spectate their match". Awesome! Not this patch, but soon. P.S. I will be on tonight. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 13 2012,09:52
i was hoping to get outta the jungle for a bit and try and do some top lane if everyone is cool with that. i know scooty has said he was having trouble up there and i personally like playing shyvanna top. but im not against going bottom with singed and giving that a go also.Lemme know what you guys think.. i plan on going shyvanna all night tonight to try and give you guys some consistency on my end. P.s.. that means i will be on tonight.. see ya guys then Posted by Leisher on Apr. 13 2012,12:48
QUOTE I agree with 95% of what Leisher has posted. He told me that he loved my post, but refuses to be straighter. QUOTE i was hoping to get outta the jungle for a bit and try and do some top lane if everyone is cool with that. i know scooty has said he was having trouble up there and i personally like playing shyvanna top. but im not against going bottom with singed and giving that a go also. I'm going to criticize you at top, because I do the same stuff, and so does Scooty. 1. Don't be overly aggressive. Play "not to win". Just focus on last hitting minions, and don't push out. If you get a super aggro lane opponent, you might get some easy kills if he turret dives you or overcommits himself. Particularly, if you let our jungler know what's going on. 2. Wards! You'll want one ward down near dragon giving you a big warning on ganks. The other put in the weeds to the side of your turret. Lots of folks hide there. 3. Farm peacefully and you'll be nice and fed for team fights. So who jungles? Do we make Cake jungle? Scooty? Should I try jungling with Fiora? Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 13 2012,14:04
I wouldn't mind sharpening my jungling stick and have no problems letting you do it too. I know from TT that Fiora is OP and rocks the jungle. You may not even need smite. I'm not sure when I'll be on. I thought I was done for the day but just got a call to head back out on an emergency call. I need to hire another person. I'm getting my ass kicked. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 13 2012,14:06
I'm thinking I will be on 10ish. Get the kid to bed/eat a steak while watching Game of Thrones/play.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 14 2012,00:54
I suuuuuucked the first two games. Mostly because I was trying to take a leadership role and was trying to play the whole team's game, and my game suffered. I made bad calls personally, and then wasn't vocal enough when I saw the team heading into danger. Was not any where near "the zone". Plus, the enemy teams were so friggin' squirly, that it was hard to pick a target. I'd find one, almost call it, but then they'd pull back. Just poking at us repeatedly. I'm watching them bounce around, trying to pick the target, that I don't pick up on queues from you guys to capitalize on. Singed flipping, Annie stunning, etc. Stuffs just happening and I can't keep up with it.Last game, Scooty broke out Yi and the rest of the team played well along with him. The other team wasn't as good as the previous teams either. I can't believe we still lost. Just kidding. We stayed away from Amumu and Kayle and did a pretty good job of focusing the correct targets. I think my Ziggs play improved by that game as well. I do a pretty good amount of damage and I'm still not using him to his full potential yet. If I can get good with him, he'd be pretty OP. Also, I was far less a leader that game and that helped me play better. Over all, I still think we focused too much on the team fights. I'm not sure if we are screwing that up, or if I'm the only one on that page. Let me know if I need to drop the idea of concentrating on the farm and push and not so much team fights. I understand we do have to fight. But we shouldn't be seeking it out. Play D against their push, but always maintain our own push. And, a solid push is a very good form of D, in my opinion. They WILL fall back. But again, if I'm the only one on the "don't seek out the fight" page, let me know. Leisher proposed we pick a winning team for now to get more wins instead of a new team build where we are working on new champs. Thus Scooty breaking out Yi. I agree with this. Shy up top was working well enough, Yi in jungle has been working really well. I did pretty good as Ziggs in mid (I have been practicing him in games without you guys), Leisher was fed well by the random Alistar we had. MF and Singed will make a good team, I think. I'm questioning our Singed. . . . What do we have to do to have ours be as good as that other Singed we saw. Gordon will say "I never get a full build". And maybe that's why the other played solo top. Should we move our Singed out of a support role? He can still go heavy AP, but still be health tanky. However, I think based on the other Singed's build, he was more tanky. He was able to kill so many of us because he was so much higher in level. So, his DPS compared to his level was medium. We weren't his level. He also played VERY strategically, and I under estimated him early game. He did stuff to me that I never see our Singed do to enemies. So, what's up with that? Step it up Singed! My point is, are we under utilizing Singed? (and get better Gordon) He can go solo top, pure tank, and Shy can play a support role to our bottom carry. So mid to late game, Singed makes a tankier initiator, our jungle, AP mid and carry are fed and our support is supporting. Having a tanky top and a tanky bottom seems like too much tanky, but no full tank. I'd like to see Scooty do more private practicing at AP mid before going there again. Play jungle Yi with us for now and sharpen your mid skills privately. Lastly, we need more voice from Scooty. He's playing silent so he doesn't piss anyone off. That's going too far in the opposite direction. This needs to stop. You said you didn't want to call for help because we think you're bossy or something. Last game, you called for help, we came and killed the target. The sigh because you died is what pisses us off. Call for help all game long, and we'll do our best. If you feel a sigh coming on because we couldn't get there fast enough, THAT'S when you should go silent. We aren't letting you die on purpose. I'll let the frustrated "Where was my team?" statement slide because we've all said that. But listen to the explanation and accept it. Don't argue that it was dumb. (I don't think you did this. I'm just saying this because you would in the past) Again, we are all doing the best we can at any given time. Lastly, second or third game, I said that we can't fight the enemy any more, and Leisher disagreed with this call. From where I was sitting, I was watching us get pushed off of, and killed under, our turrets. We couldn't be on the same screen as them without suffering massive losses. Granted, we COULD fight them if we'd all focus the same, correct target, etc. But, we weren't. Repeatedly. At some point, in my opinion, we have to change something. And since I'm supposed to be the leader, you should do it. :-) It's frustrating to be asked to lead, and then get questioned. A better idea would have been for me to call targets better, sooner, at all, etc. But, I couldn't. I sucked those games and was struggling with the leadership role (as stated above). So, I was adjusting our game play to fit what I was capable of at the moment. It happened again a game or two later. I called Sona as primary, and Stranger changed the target. Again, frustrating. It makes me not want to make decisions because you guys obviously don't trust me, so, why am I trying? I'm open for suggestions, or handing the role off to someone else. I'm not going to fight you for the leader position. But when the enemy is coming in and I call a target. Someone else shouting "No get xxxxx" is bad timing and will cause us to focus different targets, etc. And again, it just makes me feel like I'm wasting my time because no one is listening to me anyway. Question my tactics all you want. Just not in the heat of the moment. :-) And I don't need you to pat me on the back and say "No, you're a good leader". In the heat of the battle, I'm more sensitive to this stuff. When Stranger called the different target, in my head I said "Well then screw it. You call the damn targets." But right now, I know in the heat of the moment, people want to blurt out what they think is obvious. So, in a way, you are calling me stupid, so, screw you. :-) I'm just saying, heat of the moment, bite your tongues, then after the fight, give me your perspective, or take over. Same thing happened when Leisher spoke up "Well then why aren't you leading?!?!". Ok, now it just sounds like I'm bitching again. . . I guess I am, but, screw you. I'm just saying, heat of the moment, it sucks to be questioned. So stop it or I'm quitting! Feel free to tell me all the things I was doing wrong. I know Scooty's dying to. :-) But really, I already said I sucked, what else needs to be said? :-) Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 14 2012,01:04
Funny thing is. . . first two games, trying to play the whole game, I was WAY more aware of where the enemies where in relation to us. Many times, I wanted to ask "What the hell were you thinking fighting there?" Because on my screen, I saw the danger coming and you obviously should have been retreating. But before the slaughter, I didn't say anything because I figured you knew what you were doing and maybe I was wrong in assuming you were going to be in trouble in about 4 seconds. I felt like I'd come off as over zealous telling you how to play, or being too cautious. But I saw how well the enemy was responding to our moves and in my head, predicted the outcome. So, FYI, if I do start saying "You shouldn't be there, or get out, or something", it MIGHT be because I see something you don't! And as we play the same champs more and more, I'll get a better feel for who you can fight and survive and will let the fight play out instead of warning it off. But again, many times, it really seemed I knew more about what was about to happen to you guys before you did. (or you were just stupid ;-) ) HOWEVER, I lost most of my awareness of my own surroundings, leading to my death and poor decisions. Lastly, everyone start announcing when and how many wards you are buying because I still don't think you guys are carrying your weight here! As far as placement, I prefer the weed bunches in the jungles as apposed to the lane edges, late game. This gives an earlier warning of when the enemies are coming for us during our push, helps us cut them off from retreat, etc. Interior coverage is > exterior coverage, in my opinion. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 14 2012,01:08
To all you lurkers. All this discussion, dissection, etc you see going on regarding this game. This is nothing compared to our UO days. :-) But, we got our shit together WAY before we are in this game. I think it has to do with the number of player builds in LoL compared to UO. But we used to analyze damn near every enemy encounter we had, in detail. And the level to which our entire team was on the same page was unmatched. We did all that without voice comms!
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 14 2012,09:08
(Cakedaddy @ Apr. 14 2012,03:54) QUOTE I'm questioning our Singed. . . . What do we have to do to have ours be as good as that other Singed we saw. Gordon will say "I never get a full build". And maybe that's why the other played solo top. Should we move our Singed out of a support role? He can still go heavy AP, but still be health tanky. However, I think based on the other Singed's build, he was more tanky. He was able to kill so many of us because he was so much higher in level. So, his DPS compared to his level was medium. We weren't his level. He also played VERY strategically, and I under estimated him early game. He did stuff to me that I never see our Singed do to enemies. So, what's up with that? Step it up Singed! My point is, are we under utilizing Singed? (and get better Gordon) He can go solo top, pure tank, and Shy can play a support role to our bottom carry. So mid to late game, Singed makes a tankier initiator, our jungle, AP mid and carry are fed and our support is supporting. Having a tanky top and a tanky bottom seems like too much tanky, but no full tank. When I finally moved out of bottom lane and faced off against the other Singed, he was amazingly fed. He had 11 kills, at the time I had 1 or 2 (but I finished that game with 21 assists). When I had a moment to sit in respawn and look at his build, I saw he was indeed going super tanky. And 10 minutes later when I also had a tankier build - I was already working on my resist when I saw the other Singed was super fed - I was holding my own against him. So he wasn't any big mystery to me, he just got fed. And we had the same problem in the other game with... I am forgetting the champ name. But he got fed hard and by end game we could not deal with him. I don't think it was Mordekaiser, but it may have been. Anyway, the big problem to solve is how to keep our teammates from having double-digit deaths by mid game. And it isn't really a mystery about what to do when someone is getting owned in a lane.... if I personally take 3 deaths in quick succession with no answering kills, I am asking to switch out with someone. I don't care if it screws up someones jungle, you can't leave someone in that lane getting owned, and feeding. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 14 2012,09:15
(Cakedaddy @ Apr. 14 2012,04:04) QUOTE Lastly, everyone start announcing when and how many wards you are buying because I still don't think you guys are carrying your weight here! As far as placement, I prefer the weed bunches in the jungles as apposed to the lane edges, late game. This gives an earlier warning of when the enemies are coming for us during our push, helps us cut them off from retreat, etc. Interior coverage is > exterior coverage, in my opinion. I know I don't have this problem. Sometimes I think I am hurting myself by buying so many wards instead of items. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 14 2012,09:17
(Cakedaddy @ Apr. 14 2012,04:08) QUOTE To all you lurkers. All this discussion, dissection, etc you see going on regarding this game. This is nothing compared to our UO days. :-) But, we got our shit together WAY before we are in this game. I think it has to do with the number of player builds in LoL compared to UO. But we used to analyze damn near every enemy encounter we had, in detail. And the level to which our entire team was on the same page was unmatched. We did all that without voice comms! 1. We din't come around as fast as you remember. We spent tons of time fighting amongst ourselves on prison isle, etc. 2. I think we had voice faster than you think, too. I remember having relatively-underpowered 2 PC's on dialup proxy just so I could have one machine running UO and one running MICROSOFT GAME VOICE. Anyway, everyone but me sucks. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 14 2012,15:38
I had a headache earlier, so I just want to clarify something I said:You all suck, except me. And I noticed Ronnie did ok one game when he didn't have many deaths and held his lane. Posted by Guest on Apr. 14 2012,17:23
![]() I think i should play Xin more often? Posted by GORDON on Apr. 14 2012,19:03
All of you suck and my whiskey glass is empty. brb
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 14 2012,23:23
Although we won, I think Scooty spent WAY too much time in the jungle. There were prime pushing opportunities that were missed for jungle kills. Push, then when they defend, retreat into the jungle and clear it. Once roaming starts, the jungle should be secondary. Seemed like it was primary from start to finish. Also, holding in mid to score kills on retreating, almost dead enemies is wrong when it's costing us a turret. You had teammates fighting and defending that turret. Your DPS would have saved that turret. And to say "We are ahead 35 to 19" or whatever it was. If I could reach you, I'd have slapped you. Since when do we care about kills? That game was WAY WAY closer than the score reflected. They had a far superior push given how fed we were.I'll ask the team again, am I the only one that thinks we should avoid all fights and just concentrate on the push? Our only kills should come from defensive stances. I still think too much emphasis is being put on scoring kills. Especially by Scooty. Stranger's doing well at top. Solid. Gordon and Leisher seem to be working out. I'll let you guys critique me. I know what I think, what do you think? Both in my laning, and as the team leader. What calls did you disagree with? I'm glad we won, but I still saw a lot of mistakes and bad moves happening. A better team would have beat us. And it wouldn't have been because they were better than us. It would have been because we being stupid. Attacking Amumu?! Not taking FULL advantage of every push opportunity, etc. Yes, we won, but only because we had been playing unorganized teams. That Amumu rocked. Had the rest of his team been just a wee bit better, we'd have lost. Had that Nautalis been his main, we could have lost. Etc. Just because we won, doesn't mean we did well. :-) But, we did do way better. So, there's that. . . Posted by GORDON on Apr. 15 2012,00:42
(Cakedaddy @ Apr. 15 2012,02:23) QUOTE Stranger's doing well at top. Solid. Gordon and Leisher seem to be working out. At one point after we killed all the bad guys in our lane he IMed me and said, "You complete me" and I was all like GAY Posted by GORDON on Apr. 15 2012,00:44
(Cakedaddy @ Apr. 15 2012,02:23) QUOTE I'll let you guys critique me. I know what I think, what do you think? Both in my laning, and as the team leader. What calls did you disagree with? 1. You suck. 2. There were sometimes when I heard something said, but couldn't make it out because of other noise. Like the Amumu warning. But I figured it out eventually. Posted by Guest on Apr. 15 2012,01:33
Save a turret < Score an Ace. Therefore your argument is invalid.
Posted by Guest on Apr. 15 2012,01:48
I'm worthless in any case if i can't camp out for the mop up. Yi Xin it doesn't matter, i'm focused too quickly thus no damage dealt from the carry. I'm only useful for gank's and team mop ups, if i attempt to enter a large fight early, i'm focused instantly. An ace is the most influential part of the game, and thats when the most damage is dealt. I Ace the enemy, i feel its my job to farm as much as possible to ensure a successful backdoor and/or camp for the Ace. 5 enemies push up to inhib turret, 3 allies defending. 3 allies fight off 3 enemies, but the other two succeed in taking out the turret and kill one teammate. I mop up the 3 retreating very quickly (my builds ensure i catch each of them), and i return to assist my teammates in finishing the last 2. Again, i can "save" a turret and take a chance with being focused out hard and shut down quick, or i can count on my teammates to beat them up, so i can sweep in for the Ace. Its worked like this several times, which is why i continue to do it, it works. I'm surprised you haven't brought this up sooner if you have such a problem with it? This is how i play my Yi, and just happened to adapt it with my Xin. Will be playing my Renekton the same way when i get the last 1000 IP to purchase.
Posted by Guest on Apr. 15 2012,13:39
You need me there to drop your turrets, drop your inhibitors, and drop the enemy players. I can't do that when i'm focused out instantaneously. Master Yi is built more for back-door tactics then xin or any other carry out there for that matter, Xin is very good with catching up and cleaning up though i'd say a bit better than Yi is. Yi can run at blistering speeds, but he has nothing to slow people down, only things to make you reach your target 15 times faster. Xin is very disruptive, tossing people up in the air every second, and he also has a charge which makes hopping from one to the next to the next extremely easy. If you want me to play defensively instead of offensively, i shouldn't be playing a carry.
Posted by Guest on Apr. 15 2012,13:43
The way i play, i instill fear into my enemies. They don't want to push anymore after i appear and drop each and every one of them for an Ace as they retreat from a fight. Can't stress enough how important the Ace is. Its your only opportunity to win a game, hands down and everybody knows this. When you score Aces, you push hard and win games. Simple as that.
Posted by Guest on Apr. 15 2012,13:50
QUOTE I still think too much emphasis is being put on scoring kills. Especially by Scooty. ........?!?!?!? Thats my job?!?! If i has no kills, i has no gold, i carry you to failure because i can't do any damage. Kills are everything to a carry, if they aren't your playing wrong. QUOTE If I could reach you, I'd have slapped you. Thats great. And you'd have a G-Series gaming mouse flying towards your head. Open hand < Mouse wins. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 15 2012,15:14
It's like we're witnessing a conversation between Scooty.... and Other Scooty./Archer reference Posted by Guest on Apr. 15 2012,15:43
Heheh, just making sure i get all the points covered sorry. Also just made a massive discovery! Cooldown reduction stacks! to a maximum of 40%, it will stack even though its "unique". What that means is, two frozen harts won't give you 40% cdr, because its unique, same items don't stack. BUT. Frozen heart and boots of lucidity will give you 35% cdr. Make sense? Oh and i'm sure your thinking. Okay. So boots are unique too, why can't i stack boots of swiftness with ninja tabi? Well, boots are boots. Are boots. Are boots. Best way i can explain it hahah. Even though they may be two totally different boots, they're both still "BOOTS", thus they will not stack their unique passive abilities (The movement bonus). From what i'm reading this applies to everything, so if you buy the heart of gold, and the phillie stone, you WILL recieve 10 gold every 10 seconds, rather than 5 every 10. Yes its a unique passive, but they are both different items hence they will stack. Two hearts of gold will not stack. Ground breaking for my builds, im a fan of gold consumption and cdr and didn't know this. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 15 2012,17:17
If we are playing tonight, I am not going to be up late.
Posted by Guest on Apr. 15 2012,17:18
I'm already on waiting for everyone else.
Posted by Stranger on Apr. 15 2012,17:32
Sorry guys. Won't be on tonight, it's been a long weekend of moving into a new house. Im gonna shoot for tmrow tho. Good gaming this weekend boys. I think we are finally starting to find our groove. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 15 2012,17:47
Scooty and I have very different philosophies for winning this game. The team needs to speak up and let us know who's correct. . . .Scooty, if you think you are scoring that many aces by lone wolfing all the time, you are delusional. We've won too many games back dooring the other team. Way too many. Aces allow for an easier push. But it's the push that wins. The game we were ahead in kills (way ahead) is proof. We were kicking their butts in team fights, but we were playing defense from our base at one point. Their push was tight. That was also that game where, instead of pushing or participating in defense, you were waiting to score kills mopping up weak enemies. We almost lost that game. QUOTE Save a turret < Score an Ace. Therefore your argument is invalid. This is opinion, not fact. Back it up with information. In your scenario with the 5 attacking enemies hitting the turret, you left out the part where we took losses, by the time the enemy was retreating and taking out our turret, your team mates are either dead or falling back to heal after having been beat up. So, in the end, you score a bunch of kills, we lost a turret and our push is limited due to being short on allies and starting late after recovering from our wounds, pushing out the enemy minions that are pouring into our base, etc. You scoring kills < a proper defense with minimal to no losses. I disagree with pretty much everything you say. Aces make pushing easier, but not the ONLY way to win 'hands down'. We kill a lot of turrets and inhibitors with most if not all of the enemies alive and fighting back. Our split pushes, good tactics, etc allow us to chip away at the enemies buildings and score wins. It's hard to have a discussion with you when you say "only way to win hands down" kind of things when we all know that's not the case. Aces are the only way to win games? That's ridiculous. And everybody knows THAT. You can carry without kills. If you can only win if you score kills, then you are playing wrong. Watch the pros play and tell me how many kills they need to be able to do their job. You are the young bull at the top of the hill that wants to run down and screw one of the cows. And you're such a young bull that you have no idea what that means. . . . You can get plenty of farm without killing enemies. You are very much a lone wolf type player that puts your build, your score, you kills, ahead of the rest of the team. Sometimes that works out, often it does not. We would be much more successful if you were more of a team player. Had we lost that game where you were hunting for free, easy kills instead of pushing or playing D. . . . You'd have had some VERY angry teammates. And when we lose games because you are jungling or hunting free kills instead of pushing an open lane, you will have some very angry teammates. Last night, we managed to get the job done in spite of your lone wolfing. Our recent record shows that we can't always do that. Be more a part of the team so we can be more successful. And don't go to an extreme where you are glued to teammates to prove some point. There's a balance. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 15 2012,18:31
Feeding can lose a game, but getting kills doesn't necessarily mean a win. We've won too many games when we were badly behind in kills.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 15 2012,22:07
Just wanted to note the occasion of us having our TT base pushed, the score is 6 to 25, only 2 of us are defending the base, we get an ace, and our third pushes their base and wins it for us.Then I was in a bad mood because it was a bad night overall so I mocked them a little. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 15 2012,22:19
I bought MF, Singed and Shyvanna so when we play banning games, I'll be able to pick a key champ if needed.When banning, we need to note the champs available to ban. If we can't ban Singed, it's because none of them own him. So we don't have to pick him early. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 16 2012,07:30
(GORDON @ Apr. 16 2012,01:07) QUOTE Just wanted to note the occasion of us having our TT base pushed, the score is 6 to 25, only 2 of us are defending the base, we get an ace, and our third pushes their base and wins it for us. Then I was in a bad mood because it was a bad night overall so I mocked them a little. Wanted to point out that this is about the situation Cake described earlier, except that we gave up a lot of kills. His "Don't fight at all, and just keep pushing their base" philosophy. We tried to fight and got our asses kicked, right up to late game.... but by the time we went 100% defensive, the tactic paid off. Also, I am not naming names, but next time I hear fighting or mean spirited sarcasm over comms I am signing off :-D No offense, but it was a bummer. I don't even want to play now because all these negative vibes are out there. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 16 2012,09:52
(GORDON @ Apr. 16 2012,10:30) QUOTE Also, I am not naming names, but next time I hear fighting or mean spirited sarcasm over comms I am signing off :-D No offense, but it was a bummer. I don't even want to play now because all these negative vibes are out there. AGREED!!I know things can get tense in the heat of the battle, but we all play this game to have fun. So lets be fair, critique others when needed, be competitive and enjoy why we are playing this game in the first place. So Gordo... Stop feeding you selfish jerk, you only play this game for yourself and never think about the team!! You mad Bro??!!!!LOL Posted by Leisher on Apr. 17 2012,08:12
No patch yet and folks on the forum are pissed. What a bunch of assclowns. "WTF Riot! Where's my patch? Learn to do your jobs!" Go fuck yourselves morons. Do you want a patch the breaks your game or do you want one that works and adds content. Ungrateful pricks. I should really work in PR. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 17 2012,08:22
PR is fine, HR is worthless and everyone who ever aspired to be an HR person should be punished harshly, in some way.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 17 2012,10:25
Verified that CDR items stack. There is a cap though. I'm not sure what it is, but I've heard it was 40%.Does Teemo take Nashur's Tooth? Bonus ability power, 25% cool down (highest item I've found) and 40% attack speed. Ouch. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 17 2012,10:36
QUOTE Verified that CDR items stack. There is a cap though. I'm not sure what it is, but I've heard it was 40%. Scooty said all that in game the other night. QUOTE Does Teemo take Nashur's Tooth? Bonus ability power, 25% cool down (highest item I've found) and 40% attack speed. Yes, it's usually the second or third item I build. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 17 2012,18:12
He read message boards and took their word for it. I tested it. That's all I'm saying. Not saying he was lying or wrong. Only that he read about it and took them for their word. I guess I'm more skeptical, so I tested it.
Posted by Guest on Apr. 18 2012,02:25
When i'm reading Riot Employee's clarifying that CDR is stackable up to 40%? Yep. I'll take their word for it. Not like they yah know, created the game or anything. They're just out there trying to hoax and trick all the players into THINKING it stacks. Trolls i say. Trolls.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 18 2012,05:53
The patch has arrived. Remember to update your clients and redo your masteries pages. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 18 2012,12:23
By the way, I might buy the next character out of the gate. Folks are indicating he's a new ranged AD, and I've heard more than one MF comparison.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 18 2012,13:34
The one they released with this patch? He looks melee to me.
Posted by Stranger on Apr. 18 2012,13:59
< http://www.lolpro.com/news....changes >you talking about Varus? he is the next champion to be released. Looks kinda like an Ashe type champ to me. He looks pretty cool tho. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 18 2012,22:05
Ended the night at 40 above 500. I was surprised with the 3 losses. Then I saw "Loss Prevented" in my match history. Due to the chat issues, some losses are nullified if someone drops or has an error or something. I remember crashing in one, but I had two prevented. It was the TT game we started with. I don't remember any of us having an issue. Oh well. I'll take it.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 19 2012,04:37
I dropped that last game... so that means those games don't count as losses?
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 19 2012,04:38
Also, I don't think Ryze was my problem, I think getting used to playing Ryze was my problem. There were a couple unavoidable ganks, but he's just not Singed.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 19 2012,06:19
< LoLers trying to get into Guiness. >QUOTE you talking about Varus? Yes. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 19 2012,06:30
I think the major difference between Ryze and Singed is, obviously, the flip.Ryze has the stun, but it just isn't obviously enough a fight initiator as a big ol' obvious flip that pulls a guy out of line into the middle of a pack of rabid dogs. In many fights as Ryze... which I CAN'T initiate, I try to stun whatever guy we are hitting, but it just isn't obvious. Singed gets half his kills from off screen when his poison gas finally kills someone... Ryze is right there dealing damage and only gets direct kills. SInged is better at laning without using up his spells, with his gas that will take out an entire wave in about 7 seconds with minimal mana usage. Ryze has to cast his ult and bouncy balls to kill a wave of minions, and his ult takes about a minute to refresh. MAYBE.... Maybe our team is so accustomed to having Singed start the fights that no one else is as good at it? Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 19 2012,07:01
We won the game you dropped out of.Well mister, we better FIND a way. . . to initiate fights without Singed. It's different without Singed, but not impossible. Singed made the target obvious. We'll have to get better with reading the fight. And besides, we should be fighting less anyway. That game we had the kill lead and good pushing going on. After that, we started listening to Gang's whining about people not being in fights. We were doing much better with our split pushing and picking our fights better. When we started following Gang, the kill lead switched and they pushed us. We are the type of team that can win without an initiator. We just need to stop getting sucked into the joy of scoring kills. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 19 2012,07:14
You know who's a good initiator? Trynd. Of course, when he starts the fight, it's already over. I don't buy Ryze as a "closer". Ryze is a facilitator. He helps enemy champions to their death, but doesn't show them the door. That's not discounting him. It just means I really believe when we have him in game, we need to play conservatively, and not push aggressively. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 19 2012,07:35
Thats what i love so much about skarner. Once ive got some sorry chump in my grip i just drag his ass into the rest of ya and its night night for that guy.We do need some sorta initiate, i personally love when we have a team full of slows and stuns. Like when we run Ashe, Skarner, Nasus, Singed and whatever carry Leisher plays, that is godlike slows. If one of us gets on them the rest of the team can catch up to them and pile on while Leisher delivers the finishing blows. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 19 2012,09:34
Since we have 4 days to play 5 ranked games before we are put into "Inactive" status, I recommend we play them tonight. Competition is a lot tougher on the weekends.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 19 2012,10:03
5 ranked games in one category.
Posted by Stranger on Apr. 19 2012,10:52
not sure if i will be able to tonight, ill be working at the house this evening trying to get everything together to move in. but i might be able to squeeze in a game or 2 tonight.. Tmrow will be the best day for me, and the last i can play till monday when my 12Mbs internet gets installed in the new crib! So i will not be playing saturday or sunday.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 19 2012,11:42
Just FYI, I'm 100% out on Saturday.As for you Stranger, I wouldn't bother getting on tonight. Due to your limited availability, the fact that I'm out on Saturday too, and who knows what anyone else's plans are...I'm now 100% certain we're going to have to play 5 ranked TT (3v3) games, and we need to start tongiht if we're going to have them done prior to the weekend ending to prevent us from losing our team name. (If you're unaware, Riot gave us an ultimatum to get 5 played ASAP or lose our team name.) Let's get as many done as we can tonight so we can play normally or 5v5 ranked Friday night. I'll be on between 9-9:30. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 19 2012,13:31
(Leisher @ Apr. 19 2012,14:42) QUOTE Let's get as many done as we can tonight so we can play normally or 5v5 ranked Friday night. I'll be on between 9-9:30. Same. Cakedaddy will be the one who will wait until 9 to shower and then want to eat dinner at 9:30. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 20 2012,04:31
U guys play any ranked lastnight?
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 20 2012,04:37
Wins: 1Losses: 2 First 2 games, they banned Singed, and we lost. Last game, I was able to play Singed, in fact we played the game with the characters we always play, and we won. Bought Nasus last night and will be training him hard so I can still have something tanky when I can't play Singed. Ryze is too squishy. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 20 2012,07:06
To review...Game 1: It was Morde, Wukong, and Renekton versus our Noc, Ryze, and Teemo. Ryze and Teemo are just way, way too squishy. We tried living under out turret, and we did ok there, but eventually they could turret dive us without fear as neither Gordo or I was doing much damage. Plus, they were good players. Not great, we've seen much better, but give good players a huge advantage in attack power and hit points, and they'll win, which they did. They were also big time pushers, which helped their cause because once our builds finally got to the level where we were able to fight back, it was too late. Game 2: They were Nautilus, Vladamir, and Garan. We were MF, Ryze, and Ashe, again way too squishy at bot lane. This game really showed how unprepared we were because we should have won. The score was lopsided, and it was ALL us. I had no problem with Vlad up top, but I was the only guy on our team who had played their character more than once in a month or more. We had no team dynamic going, and even started sleeping a bit on communication. I think we were all unsure of our team build going into the game, and our lack of confidence showed. Game 3: We got Singed back, and the raised energy was obvious. It was like we've been fighting gun fights with a butterfly knife, and someone finally handed us our pistol. So Singed, Teemo, and Noc against Gangplank, Mundo, and Lux. We hit our comfort zone, and what happens? We roll them easily. We were communicating, we were joking around, we could anticipate each others moves, we were simply playing better. Last night reaffirmed something for me: familiarity with your teammates' champions AND team comp are critical to success. You don't have to have the fastest mouse to win in this game, you just need great teamwork and knowledge. We have consistently destroyed (not just beaten) teams with good individual players. It's the teams with a good team comp, and good teamwork that beat us. I think despite going 1-2, we did good last night because we didn't just get pissy. We learned exactly where we were unprepared, and we're making adjustments. Plus, I think there were some jitters last night... Posted by Stranger on Apr. 20 2012,10:11
really?! singed got banned twice? Gordo's Singed is becoming LEGEND..wait for it........DARY!!!!Well that sucks. looking forward to playing tonight tho if thats the plan Posted by Leisher on Apr. 20 2012,10:49
Singed is one of the most banned champs. Trynd and Singed were banned every game. The plan is to play this evening. I'll be on around 10ish. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 20 2012,10:54
Getting up to speed with Nasus in between doing productive things.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 20 2012,10:59
(Stranger @ Apr. 20 2012,13:11) QUOTE really?! singed got banned twice? Gordo's Singed is becoming LEGEND..wait for it........DARY!!!! Well that sucks. looking forward to playing tonight tho if thats the plan I plan on playing tonight. I think we are all off Saturday night. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 20 2012,15:25
We are all off Saturday night. YOU are training Nassus.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 20 2012,15:31
(Cakedaddy @ Apr. 20 2012,18:25) QUOTE We are all off Saturday night. YOU are training Nassus. Tonight let's play a couple regular games with me as Nasus, then go ahead and finish up our next 2 raknked games and just hope for Singed. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 20 2012,16:25
Nasus and renekton are both considered good solo tops. I know I have been doing solo top, but for the good of the team I'm willing to play any roll necessary. I'll do a true support if that's what u guys want. I've got plenty of IP and RP to buy whoever. Lemme know what u guys think.I was thinking of buying Hecarim cause he is a tanky DPS mela with good movement speed. The same things that skarner, shyvana and udyr are and I seem to excel with those type of characters. From what I've been seeing of him he is a good jungler and solo top. So I guess I wanna know what roll u guys want me to fulfill cause I wanna be on the same page Posted by GORDON on Apr. 20 2012,17:09
Hotfix patch, and huge queue to log in. Don't wait for the last minute.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 21 2012,16:58
Our disconnects:Communication - I don't even know what this means any more. Last night blew up, and I didn't even know why, until the end. So, communication before the game starts? During the game? After the game? I thought it was pretty clear that we were training and had very little chance of winning. Next thing I know, people are rage quitting mid/post game. But, I heard that our communication sucks, so, what's the fix? My version of the fix: Someone be the leader, everyone else follow the leader. If you need to fall back due to health/mana, call that out. You see a target call it out. It's up to the leader if it's a viable target. Etc. We shouldn't have everyone calling out orders, targets, etc. We'll have conflicting orders and then chaos. The leader should be talking a lot. The rest of the team should be talking in short 5 word sentences every once in a while so comms don't get cluttered. Consistency - This one Gordon and I are adamant about. The rest of the team has varying degrees of not caring about it. In my opinion, when we have this, communication is far less needed. I don't need Gordon to tell me he's flipping someone. I just know it. Scooty and I were talking about this today. He says "If you see me do a move with Ren twice, you should know that I do that move. What more is needed?" I said "Knowing what Ren does is only a small part of things. Knowing what Scooty does with Ren is the difference." To me, there is a world of difference between playing with someone, and playing next to someone. I can play with Singed. I know him. I know his weaknesses and his strengths. I know when he can take damage, and when he needs to fall back. I can play WITH him because I know when the flip is coming. I know how long his glue will slow. With Ren, I can only play next to him. I don't know how much damage his moves do. I don't know his damage sustainability. I can only play next to him. And when playing next to him, I'm far more cautious. I react WAY after he does something because I didn't know it was coming. Etc. We are just two guys on the same screen doing their thing. We can call a common target. He can announce that he's going to zip in and zip out. But that impracticable. Announcing every time you are going to do an ability so your teammate can use it and add to it is ridiculous. With voice lag, I'd see it before I heard it. Our comms would become a garbled mess, etc. We can call out some of them (Skarners going to pull, Singed is going to flip) but with good team consistency, they wouldn't have to. This, above all else, is the most important aspect of a competitive team, and the thing we are most lacking in. That's my opinion. Unfortunately, I am in the minority. Everyone will agree that it's important, but it will continue to be the thing most ignored. What kind of team are we - Aggressive pushers, cautious farmers, gay lesbians. Here again, we are on different pages. I think we should be cautious farmers. Killing the enemy is secondary. If it's given to us, take it. Otherwise, keep harassing them and get all last hits. This is how the pros play, this is how we should play. Some of us agree with this and KNOW we should do this, but don't. We push away. We get bored and would rather just keep hacking and slashing stuff and expose ourselves to ganks and fighting under their turrets. Because eventually, we run out of minions and the only thing to hit is the enemy champ that is baiting us waiting for his friends. So, in summary, we have mostly crappy communications, our consistency is for crap and we have zero discipline. Someone write up a page for us all to get on. Once it's written, everyone's on it, or they can play with someone else. This is the last time I mention consistency. Take it or leave it. The game is fun enough without it that I will keep playing, but I can never take our team seriously without it. If we are going to push all willy nilly, that's fine too. It's fun, but I can't take our team seriously if we do it. Communications. There are so many levels that this is broken on. Some only revealed to me last night. So, someone come up with proper communication protocols. Then lets follow them. And if I'm wrong about the importance of consistency or our play style, so be it. Prove me wrong. I welcome it because winning is fun. And don't confuse not taking our team seriously with me not trying. I will play the best ziggs/noc/etc that I can every single game, just as I always have. I just won't expect anything different than what we've had in the past. Streaks of wins/losses/etc. We play our games, laugh about what went wrong/right and go to bed. Posted by Guest on Apr. 22 2012,12:19
QUOTE What kind of team are we - Aggressive pushers, cautious farmers, gay lesbians. Gay Lesbians... Isn't that like, one of those double negatives? Meaning it would technically be positive? Lesbians are already gay, sooo saying a gay person is gay, means that really they aren't gay? Posted by Guest on Apr. 22 2012,12:22
Other then that, i completely agree with everything you said.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 22 2012,12:32
And that's the problem.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 23 2012,05:54
I think my Nassus game is getting better.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 23 2012,05:56
Consider me out this week. It's annual meetings week at work, so I'm going to be busy. I'm giving two presentations tomorrow, including one at a dinner my department is hosting.I'm working late tonight, then watching Captain America with the wife to prep her for The Avengers (we watched Thor Sunday). Tomorrow I'm hosting that dinner, and will be exhausted after all day meetings. Wednesday is golf. I might be back Thursday night, and if not then, definitely Friday. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 23 2012,07:02
Red gank. Is it worth it?Yes, we're stealing red and getting "First Blood", but at what cost? As someone who's been playing bot lately, when we get back to lane, we're two levels down, and our turret is being pushed. We can't be the only lane it's putting behind. I suppose I could dump heal and change it to Teleport so I get back to lane faster. I just want to see if everyone thinks it's a great idea to continue doing it? And don't get me wrong, this is not a campaign to end it, as it's pretty fun. I just want to make sure it's worth it. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 23 2012,07:20
i like the red gank, but if we are playing the Blue team (starting at the bottom) then i think it should just be the jungler, top and mid getting it. and if we're playing the other side then everyone but top lane should go. i've also noticed it puts the jungler behind when we do that, and usually the jungler needs a leash at blue after that. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 23 2012,10:29
FYI: Until further notice, I will not be playing Teemo, Trynd, or MF.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 23 2012,10:32
You'll play what I say and like it.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 23 2012,10:34
you're not the boss of me.
Posted by Stranger on Apr. 23 2012,10:49
im just gonna random from now on.. lol
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 23 2012,10:54
That could actually be fun now and then... everyone goes random.
Posted by Stranger on Apr. 23 2012,11:19
something to make it fun again.. i like that we all wanna be competitive and win but i wanna have fun too.if my internet is turned on tonight i might be down for some random gaming, or at least try new champs type thing. No pressure and all fun, so if anyone is down join in with me. If not i totally understand and there will be no hard feelings. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 27 2012,06:13
Who is playing tonight, and when.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 27 2012,06:31
I will make my glorious return this evening now that hell week at work in almost over.Probably somewhere between 9-11 depending on my family. I'll be shooting for 10, but you know how families like to mess with schedules. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 27 2012,09:32
It's Friday so it's probably 1. Put kid to bed. 2. Steak w/hashed browns w/couple home brews 3. Watch Game of Thrones while eating 4. League. Been playing some games with Galio. I am ready with another tank in the case of Singed/Nasus being banned/taken. Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 27 2012,09:37
Is there any way to datamine for which players other teams/members usually pick to try and ban those? Or are there just general players to ban?
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 27 2012,09:46
Yes, there is a way.I'm not sure what it is. 1. If you plan on joining us, probably a good idea not to focus on champs we focus on. 2. Singed is usually banned, and when he is not, I play him. We usually ban Rammus because he is a pain in the ass, but if you got good at him we'd play him. Ditto Morgana. Cake plays Nocturne, and lately Ziggs. Leisher is Tryndamere and Miss Fortune and Teemo. Some characters are tanky (hard to kill), some do physical damage, some magic damage. Learning those 3 concepts will take you far. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 27 2012,09:54
Catt, if you're looking to focus on characters, we need a really good nuker and/or support person. A nuker is an AP champion that can hit for an absolute ton once or twice, but doesn't have a lot of sustainability in a fight. (Brand, Veigar, etc. are AP nukers.) A support champ lanes with an AP or AD carry (those folks do constant damage and can survive longer) and buffs/heals them. Good support champs are: Lulu, Soraka, Janna, Lux, Taric, etc. P.S. Gordo's list of who we play is getting shuffled. We recently discovered that we rely too much on certain champions. Thus, I won't be playing with the three he listed in the short term. I'll be working on other AD carries. And honestly, it's not a bad idea to focus on a "job" like AP nuker, Support, AP carry, AD carry, or tank. Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 27 2012,10:55
Oh, no, I was really just curious at the datamining aspect of it as a way to prepare better for opponents.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 27 2012,11:10
(TheCatt @ Apr. 27 2012,13:55) QUOTE Oh, no, I was really just curious at the datamining aspect of it as a way to prepare better for opponents. Ha. You want to out-nerd the nerds. Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 27 2012,11:58
(GORDON @ Apr. 27 2012,14:10) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Apr. 27 2012,13:55) QUOTE Oh, no, I was really just curious at the datamining aspect of it as a way to prepare better for opponents. Ha. You want to out-nerd the nerds. Yes. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 27 2012,12:06
I approve.What kind of data do you need? Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 27 2012,12:12
Guess it'd be interesting to see champions who are most successful, then individual player histories with those champions. Looks like there is no central way to do it.< But this place has some data > Posted by GORDON on Apr. 27 2012,12:15
I would only want to look at the data from the successful teams... I don't have any idea who, if anyone, compiles that data.I watched a couple high-level tournament games. During elimination/champion selection, the teams take turns choosing one/two champion(s) at a time, and the teams really do go one at a time and choose champions to counter the one that just got chosen on the other team, back and forth. It would be interesting to have an actual cheat-sheet. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 27 2012,12:20
I don't see any of our players on that site...?
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 27 2012,14:55
In order to be on that site, you have to submit your logs to it. You install a program, and it parses them and uploads the data as you play. Parsing your data, and that of your opponents in your matches.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 27 2012,18:39
Behind schedule tonight. Will be about 11pm.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 28 2012,15:08
TT game we played after Leisher and Gordon left:Lost to lack of team consistency. Olaf and Ziggs on bottom, Caitlyn up top. At one point, Olaf charged the two enemies under their turret when he was full health and they were both half. In my head, I instantly think "This is really bad and will not end well." But I try to provide support and follow behind him to do as much damage as I can because he's going to need it. Of course we both die and they both live. I ask what that was all about and he indicated that he was just going to go in there, hit her a couple of times and pull back. I had no idea that's what he was doing. I trusted that he knew Olaf could tank the turret and score the double kill and followed him in. Not knowing what Olaf does, how Stranger plays him, etc. I just went in blind. Turned out, I wasn't supposed to go at all. Second, and last one of the game came when Caitlyn charged into all three very low health enemies. We were mid health as there had just been a fight that the enemy was falling back from. Since Ciatlyn was going in full speed and her hair on fire, I figured again, that she had something coming and I should follow to help finish the job. None of that happened, the enemies focused Cait, who was leading the charge, then focused me, then stun/slowed Olaf till he was dead. Then they went in and won the game. Once again, I followed Cait assuming that she had something going on that was going to make this bad move work out. In both cases, had I had more experience with those two characters, those things would have turned out differently. I might know their abilities on paper, but in practice, I don't know them. And those are two instances where it turned out VERY bad for our team. We could have won this game. The enemies were ahead in kills, but this was late game and we had been farming well. We had even recently killed their Nassus and killed two turrets because Fiora and Nid couldn't keep us off their turrets. Nassus was the one giving us trouble. When we eliminated him (which was possible when we played smart), we could make really good progress. But instead, we lost because one person made a bad choice, and the rest of the team followed him into the bad choice. I understand that we are trying to introduce new champs and I support that. I'm just using this as an example of how it's not just about knowing a champs abilities. Our lack of experience playing WITH each other cost us the game. Not our lack of knowledge of what a champ's abilities are. Scooty, you MUST stop switching champs so much. You played four different champs in four different games again last night. Not learning anything. I didn't mind Yi so much, because I've seen a handful of games with him. I was expecting Ren and Vlad last night but got Kennen, Yi, Cait and I don't even remember who you played first. Leisher: Talk more. You complain a lot, but don't talk strategy, etc. I get the impression you are looking for your teammates to do more, but won't say what it is. Then I don't like to issue orders/targets to you because I'm afraid it's the wrong one and will make you more mad. So I stop talking. I can tell you are frustrated, but I don't know what about. Gordon: I snapped because you mentioned your turret was getting hit. We were in the process of hitting their mid. Then you mentioned it again. Then one last time with "Yes, this is really happening" I interpreted that as, because no one was saving your turret that you thought we were ignoring you and you were pissed. So I snapped that we were in the middle of something and not ignoring you. Right now, I think the cause for our losses is that we are introducing new champs and the lack of skill by the player and the lack of familiarity by teammates is putting us at a handicap. But, people still seem to be getting pissed when we lose. You people need to start voicing your frustrations instead of not saying anything all night and then just logging off. Nothing's going to change until we know what needs to be changed. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 28 2012,17:29
(Cakedaddy @ Apr. 28 2012,18:08) QUOTE Gordon: I snapped because you mentioned your turret was getting hit. We were in the process of hitting their mid. Then you mentioned it again. Then one last time with "Yes, this is really happening" I interpreted that as, because no one was saving your turret that you thought we were ignoring you and you were pissed. So I snapped that we were in the middle of something and not ignoring you. I saw that something was going on mid, but I was just rambling because I was really tired. You are bad and you should feel bad. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 28 2012,17:33
And as for my input, I still think we are giving up waaaaay too many kills. I don't know what to do about it, but it destroys us. I think this is why it seems we start strong but then start getting hammered mid-game, and only come back late game if they allow us to farm minions in our base for about 20 minutes. It's because they farm us early and mid game, and get a big advantage in equipment.Again, I don't know what the solution is. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 28 2012,18:58
Stop dying? Most of my deaths any more come in the second half of the game when we are trying to team fight. Unless I'm playing Ashe. Then I'm dying the whole game.And I don't feel bad. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 28 2012,19:42
Yeah but I can't say "stop dying" because then people get mad. So I don't know what the solution is.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 28 2012,19:48
Last TT game. Ren got shut down and then joined us in bottom lane. There was no communication from him as to what was happening, how we could have helped or anything. Jax got fed and then we lost. I noticed Nassus wasn't farming. His minion kill count was way too low. The beginning of the game, I was letting him take all the last hits, but I saw a lot of minions dying to our minions. So I started killing them. Not sure if I was shutting him out completely or not. Nothing was ever said, so I continued to farm minions.No communication lost us that game. Plus Ren was way behind in levels/items and kept dying. We were about to start another game but Scooty never picked a champ and Maokai was random picked for him. I asked him what was going on, he said "I don't know". Since that didn't tell me much and I saw another no communication game coming, I aborted and now we are playing bot games. I'm trying Urgot. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 28 2012,19:50
No, I was doing ok. I was building up pretty well, I thought. My Q was up to.... I didn't look near the end of the game, but it was up there about to where it should be.I am not being accusatory, but when Ren is there I NEVER get last hits. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 28 2012,20:20
I noticed at the end game screen your minion kill total was WAY below ours. Ren having high makes sense because he's at top alone. But I thought you should have had more. But it just didn't seem like you were going for them. I figured you didn't want to get to close to them. So I started lobbing my stuff in to get last hits so they weren't wasted. But mid to end game, I was farming them pretty heavily.
Posted by Guest on Apr. 28 2012,22:17
And then proceeded to pretend quit, and then log back in to play without me. Your a couple of pricks you know that? I've spent alot of time deviating from my normal play style to better suite your shitty team, playing the same champion every game no matter how grinding it may be for me, and this is what i get? God knows it was a fantastic idea to put the renekton in top rather than the nasus, and further, shut up about the "no communication". As if telling you guys i'm losing top lane would have made a bit of difference. Whatever it doesn't matter, you guys are fucking pros. Don't change a thing, you should be able to win EVERY SINGLE GAME now that i'm gone, i bet you lost all of them too. So now i know, after spending sooooooo much money and time on this game that i showed all of you, i'm being forced off my own team, told how to play, and told its my fault every damn loss. No. Screw that shit, have fun playing by yourselves you insensitive communists.. By the way, i'm not sure if its just a stick crammed way up there, or if its indeed your heads, but your shit really does stink had you not noticed, so stop pretending you have the right to criticize everyone elses game and start worrying about your own. Good day and take me off this board please, Scooty will not have his name tarnished by your blasphemy.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 28 2012,22:51
(Scooty Poof @ Apr. 29 2012,01:17) QUOTE And then proceeded to pretend quit, and then log back in to play without me. Your a couple of pricks you know that? I've spent alot of time deviating from my normal play style to better suite your shitty team, playing the same champion every game no matter how grinding it may be for me, and this is what i get? God knows it was a fantastic idea to put the renekton in top rather than the nasus, and further, shut up about the "no communication". As if telling you guys i'm losing top lane would have made a bit of difference. Whatever it doesn't matter, you guys are fucking pros. Don't change a thing, you should be able to win EVERY SINGLE GAME now that i'm gone, i bet you lost all of them too. So now i know, after spending sooooooo much money and time on this game that i showed all of you, i'm being forced off my own team, told how to play, and told its my fault every damn loss. No. Screw that shit, have fun playing by yourselves you insensitive communists.. By the way, i'm not sure if its just a stick crammed way up there, or if its indeed your heads, but your shit really does stink had you not noticed, so stop pretending you have the right to criticize everyone elses game and start worrying about your own. Good day and take me off this board please, Scooty will not have his name tarnished by your blasphemy. Well, bye. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 29 2012,00:35
Urgot is pretty fun. He's got some pretty good range with him Q missile. Played two games with randoms. Didn't do great, but didn't do all that bad either. First game, I went heavy AD and light tank. Second game I went heavier tank. Both games ended up about the same. As in, when I initiated, I would die, but our team would score more kills. Second game we won though. So, maybe me staying alive longer helped my team do more damage before being focused themselves.When I started playing him, I thought about how I'd be able to switch with people and stick them under my turret. Of course people were cautious enough to not let me do that. The best thing about my ult is it is an excellent initiator. If anyone gets in range, they are being put right in the middle of my entire team. But them, I'm in the middle of theirs. hehe I would attempt to fight from there but would get focused and killed. But, my team would capitalize on it and focus their squishies. We'd win most fights. I should have been swapping, then immediately falling back. Maybe. I might survive more, but would they stay focused on me so my team could hit them? Dunno. But it was cool being able to pick who I wanted out of the fight, switching places with them and my team chewing them up. It's like a Singed flip, except they are stunned for 1 to 2 seconds while the spell channels, then they are slowed way down after the switch. I have a whole bunch of armor after as well. You can tell when it's happening because there are arrows that show up between me and the target. I have a decent early game harass with my long range Q and an awesome mid to late game initiator. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 29 2012,06:17
How feasible is it to think that with Singed and Urgot, Singed could post himself immediately behind Urgot, Urgot pulls the switch, Singed pulls the flip, and all of a sudden a bad guy is a screen away from his friends, and/or under our turret?Meaning, how likely is it that we could practice and get that near 100% effectiveness? Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 29 2012,19:43
The only problem is, Urgot is then a screen away from HIS team! I'd rather initiate with the urgot switch, then you keep them in the middle of us with your flip as they are trying to run away. Or, you flip the next one in that tried to save their friend.But with mine taking a second or two to channel, you'd have some reaction time to get into place. They enemy is locked down during channeling. Then after the switch, they are slowed some percentage for some time. So, you'd have time to react, then have a slowed target to flip. That you can then slow with your glue. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 29 2012,19:44
I think you would want to go heavy tank since you would be putting yourself into their group. They coulnd't help but attack you prolly, and as long as you can survive it the rest of the team can each pick a different champion to attack and get ALL of them down to 20% before they ace us.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 30 2012,07:15
We have rarely ever lost when we're in our current configuration on TT, so what changes do we want to make? Do we do it one at a time or all three at once? (I'm thinking one or two at a time...)Do we look for a new permanent 5th? Are we still too dysfunctional to try and seriously find a stranger in that role? Obviously, it'd be much better if Scooty swallowed his pride or if someone around here joined (Catt), but aren't SR games going to be a crap shoot with a random each game? I've been thinking more about the whole champ select argument, and also roles. If you watch pro games, these guys aren't hitting random and getting into game. They're purposely selecting champions they do know, however Stranger is right that most of these teams have guys who play specific roles. So what trumps what? Wouldn't it make sense that a guy knows a role better than specific champs? To your earlier posts: 1. I agree with Gordo that we die too much. We are WAY too aggressive. I think at this point we have to say that's us, but we need to figure out how to do that without dying as much. 2. I've been frustrated for a lot of reasons. Friday night's debacle didn't help. I'm used to us winning in TT and having a lot of team chemistry. In SR, it's a lot of inter-team fighting, lack of adjusting, etc. I think we need to consider ourselves as "starting over" and not worry so much about wins and loses on SR. Let's just work on teamwork, and learning champs. Stay positive. Find our fifth. The wins will come. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 30 2012,09:26
(Leisher @ Apr. 30 2012,10:15) QUOTE In SR, it's a lot of inter-team fighting, lack of adjusting, etc. I think we need to consider ourselves as "starting over" and not worry so much about wins and loses on SR. Let's just work on teamwork, and learning champs. Stay positive. Find our fifth. The wins will come. Agreed 100% we should kinda think of this as starting over cause in the end we are gonna need a bigger roster of champs for all of us to be comfortable with. I personally like the idea of having roles, i feel most comfortable solo top or in the jungle right now. If scooty is gone then we should consider what type of role we all wanna play and what role our fifth should play. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 30 2012,09:43
Oh yeah, and everyone recieved a free 10 game IP boost for all of the delays in the last patch. Nice!! now i can save up for another champ and play him whenever i please just to piss ya'll off.. LOL, JK. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 30 2012,22:29
Went Urgot again. Ended up top lane with Victor. Malzahar was mid. Gang and Nautalus were bottom. Right off the bat, Victor was kind of a dick. Figured is was going to be a long dumb game. At about level 6, he started roaming looking for ganks. I was alone against Amumu and Sion. But it wasn't long before Amumu or Sion would roam as well. So it was mostly 1v1 up top against one of them. Lots of action in the other lanes. I just kept farming. At one point, I was against Sion and Amumu came out of the bushes and they tried to gank me. I got away with just a bit of health. Victor throws out a "wtf Urgot?" I have not idea what that meant. Didn't even know how to respond. I was suppose to kill them? I shouldn't have been ganked? I have no idea. Anyway, I just kept in top lane. At one point, he dropped his slow/stun circle thing and locked sion down. I used that as an opportunity to swap with Sion. We ended up killing him just as Amumu showed up. Amumu didn't press his attack. I ended the game 1/1/1. The other team surrendered at 24 minutes. There was only 9 kills earned by our team. Other team had 5. No idea why they surrendered so early.But, didn't do too bad as Urgot, solo top, sometimes against two enemies. Was all farmed up by the time they surrendered. Posted by Leisher on May 01 2012,07:59
Fiora is...odd. I really like her, but at the same time I have no idea what I'm doing yet. Here's what I'm seeing: -She just doesn't seem to make money. Maybe it's because I'm jungling with her? I always seem to be behind in items. -I'm still learning my jungling route, so I won't get into that. I need to practice my timing there, particularly with my Smite usage. -I keep forgetting to use my W to send normal attacks back to my attacker. -Her Ult really isn't the greatest thing ever, and gets weaker with each enemy added to the mix. I guess that makes sense for a "duelist". -She is SLOW. Miss Fortune is a lightning bolt compared to her. I think that's one of the biggest factors in me having trouble with her to start. I'm used to MF's speed, and thus, base my attacks and retreats on that. Maybe if she stopped side stepping everywhere, and actually sprinted... -Like Trynd and MF, her attack speed does a decent job of taking down turrets. She's definitely one that we can backdoor with during games where the enemy is aggressively pushing. During the first game with her last night I was really thrown off by Shaco's counter jungling. I had no idea how to compensate. I think I was trying to gank a bit too much too. Did we win that game or was that the one we lost? During the second game, I focused more on my path, and without an enemy jungler, was doing much better. Got my first gank kill with Cake in mid, and had successful ganks elsewhere. (Successful gank = Making folks run for health, getting a kill, and/or making them use a summoner spell. I read that somewhere, and it makes sense.) I also did MUCH better in fights, but I would still die. Granted I was killing one or two before dying, but she doesn't have a lot of escapability. I think I need to adjust when I use her ult. I can't lead with it unless our team is charging in, as it leaves me vulnerable. It is a great finisher though. That's all I've got for now. Posted by Stranger on May 01 2012,09:50
heres how i use my smite:-Start at Blue and Smite when big Golem is below half health -go wolves/wraiths and double golems smite should be about up when you're hitting the doubles but don't use it yet -Go to red and use your smite there That should be about the time you may need to recall or maybe if you have enough health hit the wraiths and wolves again before you recall. Also remember to get the point in your masteries that gives you +10 gold when you use smite. It may not seem like much but use it on Blue and Red buffs early and mid game. and dont forget to use it all game long on any minion for that matter. the cooldown is like a minute or so, so it can really add up if you use it througout the course of the game. Posted by Leisher on May 01 2012,10:40
QUOTE -Start at Blue and Smite when big Golem is below half health -go wolves/wraiths and double golems smite should be about up when you're hitting the doubles but don't use it yet -Go to red and use your smite there That should be about the time you may need to recall or maybe if you have enough health hit the wraiths and wolves again before you recall. That's pretty much what I did in that second game, so cool. Although, I went mid for a moment after red to see if I could gank. QUOTE Also remember to get the point in your masteries that gives you +10 gold when you use smite. It may not seem like much but use it on Blue and Red buffs early and mid game. and dont forget to use it all game long on any minion for that matter. the cooldown is like a minute or so, so it can really add up if you use it througout the course of the game. In a 60 minute game, if you used it each minute, that would be 600 extra gold. That's IF you remembered to use it all the time, and doesn't include the first 1:55 seconds. Not sure that's worth the trade off of losing a point elsewhere? I do need to rework my masteries for jungling though. Also, as an FYI Cake, I went all att spd runes for that second game. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 01 2012,10:44
I don't know how to counter Shaco's counter jungle either. Wards are a must/only option I think. You don't have to time your smite unless you are challenged for the kill. Smite will obviously do the damage any time and you instantly get the +10 gold for using it. I use it on the bigger stuff while jungling to kill them faster. Once I can kill the big stuff easily, I just spam it for the extra gold it gives me. I'll kill minions in lane, etc. Use it every time it's up.
Posted by GORDON on May 01 2012,10:48
I wanted to reiterate this:Consider a Mastery set that is heavy defense. I used it accidentally last night on AP Singed, and all 3 or 4 games we played, I did very well with not feeding. It very much could have been a coincidence, so I am not going to bet Leisher's life on it YET... but there was definitely a few times when I was leaving a scrap with less than a bar of health, and I think the defensive masteries kept me alive. Posted by Stranger on May 01 2012,11:00
ok, well even if you only get 300 out of it, thats like 4 free wards, or a pink eye.personally i always have went defensive in the jungle, using the masteries that reduce minion damage by 2 and the one that returns damage back to them. also all jungle minions are AD so starting cloth armor and 5 health pots helps alot to get through the jungle faster and with more health. and your already half way to the wriggles lantern also. I also almost always use the same rune page for jungling. -Move speed quints.. you might like those cause you said she was slow, and they are universally good on any champ. -Attack speed reds... for obvious reasons -Flat armor yellows.. also helps with jungle minions -Magic resist per level blues.. i like these for late game tankiness, but since your AD carry you can go with attack speed here. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 02 2012,16:08
Magic resist blue for late game tankiness?!?! Don't you get like 12 or something. That's not gonna do much against a 1700+ AP Veigar!So, Gordon and I laned together as Singed and Urgot. Wasn't a good pairing. Maybe with more practice and whatnot. But, it seemed more like we were doubling up on abilities or something. There's probably a better combo than that. I've been getting stuck solo laning when I play with random people. Against randoms, I do pretty well. I was laning with Vayne the last game I played. Our team was actually really AD heavy. But we still owned the other team. I let her farm and I would harass. I was actually getting the kills with my range as they out ran her. Not sure who my perfect laning partner would be, yet. Probably someone with high attack speed. So, when I switch them behind our line, my partner can tear them up while I slow their retreat with my missile/shield combo. His other role would be top solo, I'm guessing. I'm also doing tanky builds instead of AD builds. Have yet to have a game long enough to get a full build. Posted by Stranger on May 03 2012,07:43
Right, no amount of magic resist or health for that matter will be effective against a fully fed Vieger. But alot of DPS champs have AOE AP damage like Shyvanna, Udyr, Singed, Skarner, Mundo and even items like a sunfire cape that don't do tons of damage but do damage over time. For things like that the extra 25 MR you get cuts those down by just about half per tick. That adds up over time expecially when i play melee DPS champs mostly myself.
Posted by Leisher on May 04 2012,12:20
I think whatever lane is closest to OUR red on SR should camp it to make sure the enemy doesn't try to steal it. This would also ensure that whomever that is doesn't accidentally get too aggressive by pushing the lane too quickly. Posted by Leisher on May 08 2012,06:38
Dreadknight Nasus looks pretty bad ass.
Posted by GORDON on May 08 2012,06:45
Buy it for me.
Posted by Stranger on May 08 2012,08:58
So does Varus. you still thinking of getting him Leisher?
Posted by Leisher on May 08 2012,09:43
I want to see him in action first.
Posted by Stranger on May 08 2012,10:50
im sure if you log on just about every game you spectate will have one being that he is brand new. There are always five game to choose from and they change them like every five mins. Check it out, im positive you will see some Varus action there.
Posted by Leisher on May 09 2012,06:01
Fiora showed up on TT last night and convinced me that I'll soon be hearing, "Fiora is OP. Play a real champ."Had Singed and Nautilus at bottom. The twin tank combo seemed to be working well, but watching them try to kill a tower or nexus is brutal. Posted by GORDON on May 09 2012,06:48
It was like chopping down a tree with a spoon.
Posted by Stranger on May 09 2012,07:09
LOL!! but the Goo pool, flip, grab, slow, stun, pop up was so OP!! And by the time that combo was done we were just about ready to do it all over again. Talk about some crown control. It even made a team with about 4K total wins surrender!
Posted by GORDON on May 09 2012,07:13
(Stranger @ May 09 2012,10:09) QUOTE LOL!! but the Goo pool, flip, grab, slow, stun, pop up was so OP!! And by the time that combo was done we were just about ready to do it all over again. Talk about some crown control. It even made a team with about 4K total wins surrender! Yeah, that was interesting. i was wondering if we caught those guys on a bad night, because they didn't seem all that good, to me. Posted by Stranger on May 10 2012,09:31
< http://lolcave.com/ec/ >Not sure if this is accurate.. but that makes me 1354 ELO in normal game mode. Posted by Stranger on May 10 2012,09:45
Nevermind that stupid websight. i could lose the next 20 games in a row and my ELO would actually go up. i doubt that.
Posted by Leisher on May 10 2012,10:52
That was a great win.Garen with 2K+ wins. His teammate with 1100+ wins, and their last guy had 800 or so and we dominated them. That was a real eye opener to me regarding team comp. The dual tank team is bad ass. Posted by GORDON on May 10 2012,11:04
(Leisher @ May 10 2012,13:52) QUOTE That was a great win. Garen with 2K+ wins. His teammate with 1100+ wins, and their last guy had 800 or so and we dominated them. That was a real eye opener to me regarding team comp. The dual tank team is bad ass. But with Singed and Nautilus in a lane, I don't like being the one they target. ;) Posted by Leisher on May 10 2012,11:11
If they target you, just run faster than Nautilus...
Posted by GORDON on May 10 2012,11:17
Yeah, it worked out well. But I don't have to like being their primary down there. ;-)Seems to me that if WE are facing 2 tanks in bottom lane, we leave 1 guy to hold them off our turret, and the other guy becomes dedicated jungler. 2 tanks shouldn't be able to push too hard, and splitting up allows us to level/farm faster than them. Just a thought. Posted by Leisher on May 11 2012,07:56
TT Tactics:We still do the early team fight. However, would it work, if after that fight we all recalled back, then went top. The two bot laners go through the jungle at top so they get behind the enemy champ. Our top laner plays as normal. IF the top laner comes out to where the minions meet, the two bot guys come in behind him, and we get a kill, then push top. Bot either falls back to defend top or they push and we do a lot of damage. Pros: Easy kill, puts enemy top behind, and gives top lane a quick advantage in push. Also, helps with our over aggressiveness by allowing bot to get pushed a bit. Cons: Do bot laners suffer in XP and gold? If enemy top doesn't come out to where the minions meet, is the entire tactic a failure? Can bot catch up quick enough when they return to bot? Posted by Leisher on May 11 2012,13:09
Saw this on the LoL forums and checked it out. Gordo, look at 2:42. That's a bad ass move, but how often do you get a chance to flip someone into a turret, and then glue them? Posted by Stranger on May 11 2012,13:32
Prolly won't be on till late tonight, ive got a full weekend ahead. Hope to get some games in tonight cause im itching to see some more Nautilus/Singed tank action!
Posted by GORDON on May 11 2012,17:32
(Leisher @ May 11 2012,16:09) QUOTE Saw this on the LoL forums and checked it out. Gordo, look at 2:42. That's a bad ass move, but how often do you get a chance to flip someone into a turret, and then glue them? Not much there I didn't already know/do. Peeps in that video played stupidly against Singed... I WISH the peeps we played against at higher levels were like that. Only think I didn't know was that particular rune loadout. The idea of more speed runes intrigues me. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 12 2012,07:19
Most likely off again tonight. Big weekend after a big week right before another big week. Big sucks.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 14 2012,11:17
I think part of my problem with Urgot is that I'm trying to play him tanky. He's not a tank. He's supposed to be a carry. So, I should play him as one. I can pick up phantom dancers to give him more speed. And I need to learn how to flash. So, when I swap places with someone, I can flash back to safety instead of trying to tank back to safety. That didn't work. The first games we played with him, I was taking all carry items. Blood Thirsters, etc. Lately, I've been getting armor and stuff. Things worked better when I dealt damage.So, I'm going back to carry mode with him and learning to use flash. Posted by GORDON on May 14 2012,11:49
Sounds good to me.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 14 2012,12:21
Your homework is to learn my swap spell animation. There's a 2 second pause before it happens. Both me and the target are locked down during the pause. There's noise and arrows on the ground while it's charging up. Learn those signs. I always try to announce when I'm doing it, but you'll often see it happening before you hear me say anything due to voice comms lag. Also, KNOW that it will always be the squishiest person on the other team.But anyway, learn it. There were a handful of times we were wasting our stuff. I'd lock on to someone and call it. Voice lag. You flip the person right on top of me. We swap a half an inch. Or, Same thing as above, except the swap will happen, then the enemy is on the opposite side of you and you flip him back where he was. Of course we miss hand off opportunities to send them up our stairs. But know that whenever you call a target, hit your ult and charge in, I'm holding back to do my part of the hand off. So, often, you are charging ahead of me and I'm not going in. That's why. I'm holding back for the hand off. But then they outrun you, you chase, then you are way ahead of me and alone. Then I try to come help/save you, and we are over extended, etc. I'll try to trail better so I'm not left way behind hoping you get them within range of me swapping them to the turret/stairs. So, again, learn the signals. I will announce when it's cooled down so you can try to be on alert. It starts with about a 90 second cool down. Late game, it's about 60. Posted by GORDON on May 14 2012,12:29
I know the signal. I know what it looks like when you initiate the swap. But 9 times out of 10, by the time I see it, and my brain registers what is happening, I don't have time to get into position, or stop the flip I already initiated. There is a delay in my own controls, too. If I initiate a flip on someone, and I change my mind (or realize I clicked a minion by accident or something) and click off somewhere, there is about a .4 second delay where it will flip, anyway.I addressed this last night with respectfully suggesting you try and give me warning before you do the swap. Again, TRY. I completely understand that sometimes these things are spur of the moment, and you have no time to say a thing before your fingers initiate the swap, but even if we are just staged and waiting for an incoming attack to hit our turret, if you just mention that your swap is ready to go, I can get myself in a better position to exploit it. You know Singed's flip cools down in about 8 seconds... I have absolutely no idea what Urgot's swap refresh is, be it 10 seconds or 2 minutes. No idea. So yes, I know what we need to work on. Yes, I know what we need to do. No, I disagree that we were not on the same page last night, I just need to learn to mindread your playing Urgot as well as you mindread my playing Singed. You have had a lot more time to practice it. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 14 2012,13:17
When I said we weren't on the same page, it was in reference to our aggression. The last game, you were hyper aggressive and sucking me into situations where I didn't need to be. Then I'd die. And you were taking all the farm. Second to last, it was the opposite. We are way better about waiting for last hits on the minions, but you were gassing them way more the last game, thus you getting all the farm. I wanted to fight near our turret both for safety, and for flips. I think you were scorned from the previous game and were going nuts with your gas. Last game, my farm was decent, but I was playing way too far out in the lane.So that's what I meant by different pages. You seemed eager to run out and kill them (minions and enemy) when I was afraid to be near them (the enemy). OH, and Leisher's homework. Talk more! There was one big disconnect where you came down for a gank. I think you called a target, but then the enemy changed something just in time that the gank at that moment had changed. (They went back under their turret, didn't push minions, or something). Gordon and I were still scanning for an opportunity, I saw one, initiated. Gordon followed. We both died as you were half way back to top. By all means, if the gank isn't there, get back to farming. Just let us know. :-) This was addressed when it happened. But your homework is to not let it happen again. "Heading back to farm, you are on your own." is perfect. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 14 2012,13:21
Handling the roaming teams. . .Last two games, the other teams were roaming in packs ganking left and right. We continued to try to lane cause that's what we do. This failed because we kept giving them gank opportunities. They always out numbered us. I think that when the enemy does this, we need to answer in kind. Group up and hunt them before they get a lopsided kill score. I think they match us in levels, even with the low farm, because we are dead and not farming. Plus, they get XP and gold for the kill. Posted by GORDON on May 14 2012,13:37
Oh, that "different pages." Ok. I remember at least twice where you swapped and I did a flip to nowhere, so thought that is what you meant.Second-to-last game, yeah, we discussed how I got way unlucky with farm. Nothing I did got me a last hit, plus I had no kills/assists, so it was just double whammy and for all intents and purposes you guys were fighting a 2v3. Once we were already way behind I went for a kill more than once when I shouldn't have, just hoping to get a few dollars. Never worked, but what I was doing wasn't working, either. Last game, I never had any specific, conscious "kill everything/fuck bitches/get gold" mindset, but I may have done it accidentally. I remember asking you at one point if you were good for gold, asking if I was hogging it. You said you were good. But we were doomed from the beginning since we had the "wrong spells for the loss," or whatever the phrase was. Posted by Leisher on May 14 2012,14:46
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Posted by Cakedaddy on May 14 2012,14:55
I was fine on farm and was leveling fine. Had adequate items and stuff. I was more concerned with how far out we were pushing the minions, and then engaging the enemy than anything else.Ya, we had bad flip action, but I think that will come with experience. You'll get better at detecting my swap building up just like I've learned your flip tells. It looks like the Internet is filtering Leishers walls of text now. It's decided they are too big and bogging things down. Posted by GORDON on May 14 2012,18:57
I think I am taking tonight off. I need some sleep.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 14 2012,20:32
I had to work. Now I'm sleeping. Should be on tomorrow night. Unless I fall asleep early. Starting tomorrow at 4:45am. Like I did today.
Posted by GORDON on May 15 2012,04:37
If I don't get my full 14 hours of sleep every night I get grumpy.
Posted by GORDON on May 15 2012,16:24
Anyone playing tongiht?
Posted by Leisher on May 15 2012,16:42
I had planned to, but I'm sitting at work still. It'll depend on how I feel when I get home.
Posted by GORDON on May 15 2012,17:49
Feelings are for women.
Posted by TheCatt on May 15 2012,17:58
Yall need Troy.
Posted by GORDON on May 15 2012,18:06
His wife wont let him play with the other kids.
Posted by Leisher on May 16 2012,06:34
I didn't like our three tank team. Way too much defense, and no offense. Every time I got into a skirmish, the other team ignored the tanks and were focusing me. Once I died, nobody else could hit for shit. I didn't notice, but I assume they were doing the same thing to Cake. I think if our random 5th goes tank, we need to alter things up a bit. Maybe Gordo goes GP and lanes with Stranger as Nautilus? Oh, and Stranger, I have seen an AP Trynd. Not kidding. Posted by Stranger on May 16 2012,09:39
< http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board....+kennen >An AP Trynd isn't even viable.. but an AD Kennen is. I never said AD Kennen is the best choice but I have certainly seen high elo players do it.. NO AP TRYNDS THO! Posted by Leisher on May 16 2012,10:09
Can Stranger not see the League of the Eve of UO Galaxies - Private Legends Diplomacy forum?Google "kennen ad or ap" and you'll find a lot more threads saying it's absolutely ignorant with stats explaining why rather than opinions. However, that being said... QUOTE An AP Trynd isn't even viable.. ANYTHING can work. Cake's point is that all it takes is one good game with a ridiculous build, and that player or others who see it will begin to copy it. The problem with that is they'll fail 80-90% of the time, and blame other things, not their inefficient build. QUOTE but an AD Kennen is. We never said he wasn't viable. What we're saying is that it's inefficient. It doesn't make sense to use a character that is designed for AP, and designed to use those AP skills in team fights, and turn him into an AD champ for auto-attacking. QUOTE I never said AD Kennen is the best choice but I have certainly seen high elo players do it. Never doubted you on that. However, it's very important to note the thing that people arguing for AD Kennen are glossing over, the AD Kennen they saw at high elo was designed for a specific purpose in a team that communicated very well and had a plan going into the games. He was used to keep lanes clear of minions, and to stun multiple enemies quickly. He wasn't a solo champ and wasn't going to beat anyone's ass, but they build AD for the AS so they could stun quickly. Also, note that one of the folks says if you're under 2400 elo, you shouldn't be doing this build. They also state if your team isn't all on the same page, you shouldn't be doing this build. So again, the crux of our argument isn't that it can't be done, but that it shouldn't be done unless there's a specific reason for it, and everyone is on the same page. Posted by GORDON on May 16 2012,10:40
Hey Stranger, remember when we were fucking with you last night? We were just fucking with you. Fucking with you just means we know you can take it.For example, remember how we were always polite with Scooty? ;-) Posted by Leisher on May 16 2012,11:15
QUOTE Hey Stranger, remember when we were fucking with you last night? We were just fucking with you. Fucking with you just means we know you can take it. I will vouch for Stranger's ability to get razed. I think he was just grumpy last night. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 16 2012,11:23
At our level of play, AD Kennen is not an option. Therefor, your defense of the build gets you ridiculed. Mercilessly.
Posted by Stranger on May 16 2012,11:33
Dudes!! ive got no desire to play an AD Kennen!! i just simply said that i have seen many people do it, thats all.. Now quit picking on me, it hurts my feelings ![]() Posted by Cakedaddy on May 16 2012,11:42
You keep saying it's a viable build! If someone on our team suggested they were going to go AD, you'd support them! This is wrong. Very very wrong. So, until you renounce all support for AD Kennen, you will be picked upon.
Posted by Leisher on May 16 2012,12:33
I played two Kennen games today. The first was AP Kennen with no AP, not even as much as I give Teemo. The second was AD Kennen with 2.5 AS. I need to do another with AS AP Kennen so I can properly decide what's what. Still, my first impression is that he's Teemo. AD Teemo is viable as well, but you're flushing all that poison from your darts and mushrooms down the toilet. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 16 2012,12:40
AP with no AP? Did you mean AS for one of those?
Posted by Leisher on May 16 2012,12:46
Yes. AP with no AS.Also, I realize it's Wednesday, but I think I'll be on after golf. The wife has to go to her mom's to help with a video we're working on for a friend's wake. Thus, I'm heading home to watch the kids instead of heading for the bar. This is NOT guaranteed, but it is likely. Posted by Stranger on May 16 2012,12:48
Leisher, just start playing AD Kennen from now on and when you carry us to glorious victory after glorious victory lets see what everyone says then. lolCause if he can't AD with him, then noone can. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 16 2012,14:05
FYI. If you don't stop saying "lol", that will be the next thing we ridicule you for. Well, I will, anyway.
Posted by GORDON on May 16 2012,14:07
This is true. I'd gotten out of the habit.
Posted by Leisher on May 17 2012,05:37
Got to work this morning and discovered that I had left LoL running on my test machine, and I was logged in all night. Sorry Cake, I wasn't ignoring you.
Posted by Leisher on May 18 2012,06:25
So I might buy Darius out of the gate. He's another AD melee champ, but go read his skills. They just sound OP, especially that ult.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 18 2012,07:35
Team composition. . . .I was shopping for a ranged AP character. Someone I can lane with Nasus. Using Urgot doesn't work because we are both AD. Looking through the mage list, most of them and squishy nukers. Looking for an attack speed AP character. Kept coming up with Teemo and Heimer. So, any suggestions? Also, this made me think about how we have seemed to somewhat lock ourselves into roles. Should I be learning another ranged AP character when we already have some? Fiora is doing well in the junlge. Noc does well in the jungle (if I can say so myself). Stranger does well in the jungle. I think we have more mid champs than just Ziggs. So, when we want/need to put Nasus into the fight, who should lane with him? On TT, Teemo should be down there and I'd go Noc. On SR, again, Teemo can go and I can take jungle. Or Stranger can and I'd take top solo. etc. I have been rooting for Fiora in the jungle because I thought we'd benefit from another jungler and Leisher needed the practice. Is it time to mix things up again? So we don't get locked into a small set of champs that we can use? I must admit, that as much as I've played any champ, I'm still constantly learning stuff. Noc is probably the champ I've played most and just the other week or so, I learned that my spell shield will block many ult/spells. Yes, it is a spell shield. But I thought it just protected me from the affects. As in, the slow/stun/etc. But it blocks the damage too. However, it does NOT block area of affect. So when Lux lines up her ult, I can pop my shield and take no damage from it. With Ziggs, I'm practicing jumping over walls with my satchel. Urgot, learning to use flash to escape after a swap. Etc. So, I don't mind continuing with known champs. Just curious if we are falling back into a 'fixed champ' mode. Posted by GORDON on May 18 2012,08:20
Keep in mind I can also play Galio, though I do agree we need someone that pairs well with Nasus.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 18 2012,08:42
Would that be Teemo? Or would it be more like Sona/Soraka? A support character.
Posted by Stranger on May 18 2012,09:34
i think that Nasus is best served solo top. That way he can farm up that Q and get super beefy late game when he is a beast.And i agree that we might be getting stuck in roles again, but its taken me a while and a few champions to get used to doing solo top. I wouldn't mind trying other rolls again either. Posted by GORDON on May 18 2012,09:54
(Cakedaddy @ May 18 2012,11:42) QUOTE Would that be Teemo? Or would it be more like Sona/Soraka? A support character. If you want Nasus to help push a lane, he needs to lane with a ranged carry. 2 tanks vs. 2 well-played ranged carries = tanks lose the lane, as evidenced the other night with Nasus/Nautilus vs. that new centaur guy and.... some other aggressive ranged guy that I forget. They kept pushing us back, and eventually had us stuck under our turret and they would push up with minions and hit the turret with us right there, afraid to get in range. I think Nasus NEEDS some sort of ranged support, if facing 2 ranged enemies. Otherwise he will get pushed right out of the farming. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 18 2012,11:39
I would like to see Nasus top solo as well. But Gordon seems afraid to be left alone. Also, when you say ranged carry, do you mean any ranged damage dealer, or do you mean carry? Carries are AD characters that can do damage to the turrets. Seems like we end up AD heavy if we put a carry with him.
Posted by GORDON on May 18 2012,11:42
(Cakedaddy @ May 18 2012,14:39) QUOTE I would like to see Nasus top solo as well. But Gordon seems afraid to be left alone. Also, when you say ranged carry, do you mean any ranged damage dealer, or do you mean carry? Carries are AD characters that can do damage to the turrets. Seems like we end up AD heavy if we put a carry with him. What? I prefer to lane solo, I just never make an issue of it. I mean someone who can help Nasus carry the lane. Does damage, both to champs and turrets. Posted by Stranger on May 19 2012,08:46
Lastnight i was messing around with a support Nautilus build. i Liked it alot, i rearranged my masteries, runes and item build to accomodate for the fact that i wouldn't get any farm. In fact there was a couple of games that i had only about 15-20 minion kills and was able to still have a good enought build and be on the same level as everyone else and be a factor in the game. I would just camp out in the bottom brush and just harrass the hell outta whoever would get outta position and my carry would hit them whenever i landed my anchor. It seemed to work really well with ranged carries, i played with Ashe, Varus and Miss Fortune and every time they got tons of CS and we won the lane. So i was thinking maybe if we wanted to try something different we could go with Nasus top and whoever wants to do a ranged carry on bottom with me we could do that. Posted by Leisher on May 19 2012,22:51
Support Nautilus was pretty good. The new map changes coming Tuesday look great.. However, they changed ranked mode...you no longer get to play the free champions. Time to spend some IP. Try to prioritize your purchases. Buy the champions we play before buying other champions. For example, I plan on buying Nautilus now, ditto for Urgot. Oh, and normal ranked mode in now out until we get our fifth. Posted by Leisher on May 22 2012,11:42
Varus is free this week. Tried him out and bought him.
Posted by Stranger on May 22 2012,13:58
Sweet!... now if we could just get everyone to play at the same time again.
Posted by GORDON on May 22 2012,14:06
I should be on tonight, 9ish
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 22 2012,14:26
My day tomorrow starts at 4:00am. I only got 4 hours of sleep last night. My day today will be ending about 9pm.
Posted by Leisher on May 22 2012,15:09
I might sit out tonight. Not sure yet. Still at work with no sign that I'll be leaving anytime soon. If I don't make it tonight, I'll make getting online Thursday a priority. Posted by GORDON on May 22 2012,16:38
(Cakedaddy @ May 22 2012,17:26) QUOTE My day tomorrow starts at 4:00am. I only got 4 hours of sleep last night. My day today will be ending about 9pm. I guess that's what happens when you are up late playing Left 4 Dead 2 with your better friends. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 22 2012,17:48
Bought and practicing Nidalee. Damn hard champ to play. Very high lane sustainability. When in cougar form, she uses no mana, but has extra damage dealing abilities. So, when she's out of mana, she can change to cougar and continue farming. She also has a heal. Her spear is hard to land though. Minions block it and for the big damage, she has to be far away. The further it flies, the more damage it does. Constantly changing between forms depending on what/who/how I'm fighting.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 22 2012,18:27
Finally won a 3v5 bot game with her. Getting better. Her spell combos are tough because you have to change forms constantly and then land a skill shot. But damn does she have some serious burst damage. Jump in with cougar and burst with your q and e. Then if they run, switch back to human and launch your spear. Make sure you heal yourself while human then switch back to cougar to chase down again.Complicated. New found respect for people who can play her really well. Posted by Leisher on May 23 2012,06:58
New graphics look nice.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 23 2012,11:01
Wonder how well the Mac users will be able to handle the new graphics.
Posted by Leisher on May 25 2012,05:58
This is what I was quoting last night as Fiora was kicking butt: Posted by GORDON on May 25 2012,06:42
Yes, I totally caught that, and loved it. Was too busy to comment at the time.TERMS OF ENRAMPAGEMENT. Posted by Leisher on May 25 2012,06:45
No idea what my schedule will be this weekend. Tonight I should be on, and I know I'm not playing tomorrow night. Beyond that, no idea. I'm going to shoot for being online Sunday night. If I make it Sunday, I'm taking Monday off. Posted by GORDON on May 25 2012,06:50
Be on tonight since I can be up late.
Posted by Leisher on May 25 2012,10:45
Tribunal is all different, and pretty cool. More info.Also, this will jinx us, but have you noticed how little we've had to report over the past few weeks? I think Tribunal works. Not to mention that a lot of the tards probably went DOTA2 and are now playing Diablo III. Posted by Stranger on May 25 2012,12:39
unless you turned on the cross team speak option then you won't see anything they are saying. They changed that a patch or two ago. Its kinda nice, cause i don't give a shit what the other team has to say anyways.
Posted by GORDON on May 25 2012,12:42
I turned it back on because I like to see when they are getting mad. That's amusing.And it pushes me to do better if they are trash talking. Posted by Leisher on May 25 2012,13:01
(GORDON @ May 25 2012,15:42) QUOTE I turned it back on because I like to see when they are getting mad. That's amusing. And it pushes me to do better if they are trash talking. Ditto. There is nothing like burying a team who gets cocky and talkative early on. Posted by GORDON on May 25 2012,18:29
Nobody is on yet so I am going to go bottle my beer. back in a bit.
Posted by Stranger on May 25 2012,18:31
Be on in a bit
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 26 2012,12:57
Houston, we have Internet.Starting updates now. We'll see if it's playable later on. Signs are pointing to "no". Downloading the patch at 78kbps. Who the fuck defines twice dial-up as 'high speed'? Fuckers. Going to try to steal the neighbor's and see if it's faster. Posted by Leisher on May 26 2012,13:21
You've got a day to figure it out. I don't think anyone will be on until Sunday night
Posted by GORDON on May 26 2012,13:41
The routerAnd stuff is USUALLY locked in the owner's closet. If not, reboot it all. If so, infiltrate the closet... it is sometimes not difficult to do.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 26 2012,18:14
I wish rebooting the router/modem would boost speeds up to 10mbps+. After speed tests, I'm getting .5mbps down and even less up. Started a bot game and was getting a 110 ping. Didn't see lag while playing against the bots like I have on crappy hotel service. So, it might be playable.
Posted by GORDON on May 26 2012,18:21
(Cakedaddy @ May 26 2012,21:14) QUOTE I wish rebooting the router/modem would boost speeds up to 10mbps+. After speed tests, I'm getting .5mbps down and even less up. Started a bot game and was getting a 110 ping. Didn't see lag while playing against the bots like I have on crappy hotel service. So, it might be playable. If anyone is on I should be available at 10 or so. Posted by GORDON on May 29 2012,08:26
Hey I might actually be online tonight.
Posted by Stranger on May 29 2012,13:38
Ill be on between 9:30 and 10.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 29 2012,21:31
It was mentioned that we are ready for the $5,000,000 tournament.I do like how much better our team looks. But: I would like to get a second AP mid that is as strong as my Ziggs right now. That could be either Veigar or maybe Nidalee? I haven't seen it much, but I like Singed or Nasus solo top. I like them being strong. We have other champs that we can put solo top as well. So, we have at least 3 solo tops we can use. Jungle: Noc, Fiora and the plethora of champs Stranger has jungled with. Mid: Ziggs. Does MF count here? I like having an AP nuke to pick from. I personally think we are weak in the middle. Bottom: Since Singed moved top, we don't have a good feel for bottom now. Naut with a ranged carry wasn't doing well tonight. Or so it seemed. Correct me if I'm wrong. Not that it's a bad combo. It just wasn't working out. My bottoms would be: Nidalee. Urgot (He has value, but not sure we've found his full potential with our team yet), and many more. But, do we have a solid mix down there yet? I vote we mix things up a bit. Get Fiora out of the jungle for a few turns. Make sure we still have strong backups. Keep Gordon solo top. Get a new AP mid in there. Can be someone we know, or a new champ. Figure out what to do on bottom. Have a few combos in mind. Posted by Leisher on May 30 2012,08:41
***NOTE: This only applies to Summoner's Rift. More than anything else, the first issue that needs to be resolved is our fifth. Talking about ranked and tournaments is pointless without 5 consistent guys (or more). The next issue that I think needs to be resolved once and for all is our roles/positions/lineups. I'm CERTAIN we've beat this horse to death, resurrected it, and then beat it to death again, but I think instead of worrying about everyone being able to do everything, I think we need to stick with what we're good at and build from there. Stranger was right about us all finding our niches. He's loving the tank/support role and doesn't like AD Carry. So why would we ever think it'd be a good idea to have him ready to play that role if needed? If we plan correctly, it would never be needed. For example, I don't think anyone is going to argue that I need to stick to AD Carries and Teemo. Gordo is our tanky initiator. Scooty is our role filler, but mostly the other AD/AP carry. That makes Cake our AP nuker. If we each have a handful of characters we're familiar with for our specific roles, the draft becomes nothing more than helping us choose who to play as the role we're filling. That's not to say we're stuck in these roles permanently. We can mix things up, but I think we need to stick with variations on those themes. If I'm being really honest, I think we need to build around Stranger and Gordo. Each game one of them should go top, and the other bot. I also think they need to add a few more characters into their Nautilus, Singed, Nasus mix just in case their characters get banned or picked. That way, we keep our strategy intact so there's no scrambling during champ select. I know Gordo has Galio, and I thought Stranger had Sejuani...? Maybe Stranger could peek at Rammus, Amumu, Leona, or Taric during their next free week? Stranger and Gordo don't get all the kills, but I think them filling the tank/support/initiator role has made all the difference in the world. I think they've been the key to our recent winning ways more than any other factor. I realize this pigeonholes them a bit, but let's be honest, they're good at it. I know Stranger's having fun and prefers this role to others we had him in, and I believe Gordo enjoys it or he wouldn't do it. I never thought Gordo was an abysmal failure at Gangplank, but I'd much rather see him rocking Nasus solo top than Gangplank at bot. I'm sure he'd rather see me in the jungle with Fiora than mid with Heimerdinger. So, in my humble opinion, I think Stranger and Gordo are our foundation, and solo top and the bot lane are their domain. They own that shit, and sometimes they let us play there too. So where does that leave the rest of us? Mid and jungle are ours. That's where Cake, Scooty, and myself can mix things up...to a point. I'm not an AP guy, so my mid would be limited to ranged AD carries, which is fine. Beyond that, don't expect to see Fiora unless I'm jungling. I'll probably do more AD ranged carry stuff with the likes of MF, Caitlyn, Varus, Ashe, etc. I think Cake needs to continue learning mid, and adding new characters to the mix. How about Morgana, Cass, Karthus, and Malzahar? I can tell you from experience that Cass is a real bitch because of her poison. She doesn't need kills, just keep harassing the enemy and make them constantly run back for healing. The third in the jungle/mid/bot mix would be Scooty. I don't have to point out to anyone that jungle Yi is his most dominant character, but I know he doesn't want to be pigeon holed there. Thus, I think he needs to learn a few AP nukers to mid with so Cake can go bot or jungle. So we get our tanks to know a handful of guys each, stick one each in top and bot, then the other three of us can fill jungle, mid, and bot with our guys. We mix it up with variations on that. This should be our strategy for ranked games, and practice for ranked games. If anyone gets totally bored and wants to do something completely different, then we play a normal game, and everyone does whatever. Who cares if we win or lose, just have fun. However, when it's time for business, we do all the stuff above. Thoughts? Posted by GORDON on May 30 2012,10:41
I agree 100%, I am pretty awesome.
Posted by GORDON on May 30 2012,18:18
These fucking AI cheat.Playing 1v5 custom game. I attack 2 that are rushing a turret... 3 more come out of he weeds where they were hiding. I attack 2 that I have been traveling to hit... been watching them for about 10 seconds.... I get there, and a 3rd splits off where she had been hiding under another champion, perfectly hidden, exactly moving and going where the other champ went. It's bullshit. Fucking cheaters. Posted by GORDON on May 30 2012,18:50
Just got my 1st ever Penta Kill in a 1v5 AI match.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 03 2012,17:02
Have been practicing as Veigar. Not doing TOO bad now. Still a bunch of champs I don't know how to counter, but a good number that I do. Getting better with the multi-spell combo too. Stun, W, Q, deathfire, R. I'm sometimes going too fast and will be out of range for one of them so it gets skipped as I go right to casting the next spell. So, some games I end up with more assists than kills.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 03 2012,17:55
Wouldnt it be better to deathfire sooner since it zaps a percentage of health?
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 03 2012,19:19
Yes. That's not the exact order I do things in and I'm probably hitting multiple targets still right now too. There's a lot going on with this guy is all I'm saying. Still have work to do on him learning ranges, spell speeds, etc. But yes, I normally try to lead with the stun, then W which has a delay, deathfire which lanes just before the W hits. At this point, I spam my Q and R trying to hit the moving target. I have managed to insta pop a few times, so that was cool. Just not consistent. In many cases, my Q, W and deathfire or Ult are enough to kill someone. So, the perfect thing would be to only use DF or my ult, but not both as it's over kill.Over all, still working on him, but getting better. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 05 2012,05:38
From today's patch:Darius •Hemorrhage (Passive) bonus Attack Damage ratio reduced to 0.3 from 0.4 •Noxian Guillotine will now only refresh its cooldown when it deals the killing blow •Apprehend pre-pull animation modified to be more readable for enemy Champion •Fixed a bug with Hemorrhage applying Rylai's Crystal Scepter slow and Spell Vamp effects We'll know the nerf worked if we stop seeing Darius in every single game we play. Posted by Stranger on Jun. 05 2012,08:26
Nautilus, Ahri, Kog Maw, and Urgot also got hit with the nerf bat... i would even consider Nocturns changes a slight nerf.
Posted by Stranger on Jun. 05 2012,08:32
On the other hand, Swain got a pretty significant bump.. maybe Gordo needs to pull him back out?And that Draven is looking like a pretty badass ranged AD... (Ahem...Leisher) Posted by Leisher on Jun. 05 2012,09:21
The reason I made a point of posting Darius' nerf is because he was a fun killer. Ridiculously OP, and you couldn't beat him. Want to know how to tell when a character's OP? You see him in EVERY game you play. If Tryndamere got nerfed multiple times, Darius needs the same treatment. Darius doesn't have CC, but he has tons of lane sustainability, huge damage, and tons of damage resistance. I will look into Draven. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 05 2012,15:56
Considering Darius can pull in all enemy champs in front of him, I'd say he's got some decent CC. The only games that are any fun is when it's a first time Darius, or both teams have one. . . and the one on your team is the better one.Veigar can't lane against any champ that has flash abilities. Kat, Kass, Ez, etc, etc. They jump in and out of his stun circle. Kat is RIDICULOUSLY OP against Viegar. Ziggs being able to keep a better distance from her gives him a fighting chance. As soon as I move in close enough to drop my stun circle on Kat, she flashes right on top of me and takes me for 75% of my health. If I don't go heal, she'll flash and do it again after the <30 second cool down on her abilities. On the bright side, I can insta pop many champs. Was popping Trynd before he had a chance to rage. So, he has the hardest hitting combo that I've used, but, he also very easily countered with flashy champs. So, you've been warned. . . if there's a flashy enemy in mid, I'm going bot and someone else is taking mid. And before you say it. . . . the flashy ones will flash in under my turret, rip me up and flash out before the turret hits them twice. Wait 20 seconds, repeat, and I'm dead. My only defense is to spam my spells like crazy. But then I'm out of mana in no time and even more vulnerable. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 05 2012,15:58
Gangplank can break any stun, too. So, if the player is quick, he will squirrel away from you before the hammer falls.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 05 2012,18:19
I'm ok with them getting away. It's when they get me that hurts. If they leave me alone so I can farm my Q, then I'm a happy Veigar.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 05 2012,18:24
Well, I guess if I was close enough and had Ghost, a Critscrank would chew Viegar up in about 3 hits.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 05 2012,18:53
I've never been a fan of Veigar. I realize he drops bombs, but he is the truest definition of a glass cannon.I think there are far stronger AP mid characters to choose from like Cass. Swain would be interesting now too. I realize Gordo has played him in the past, but I like Gordo's tank stylings far more. Cake could give Cass or Swain a test during his next free week. For our tanky guys, and I realize he just got nerfed, Darius might be a guy to grab. He does limited AD, you can build him as a tank, he's got that ridiculous refreshing ult that does true damage, etc. The latest patch video did indicate they were keeping an eye on him, so I think more nerfs might arrive, but he's someone to keep an eye on. Lots of tanky + lots of damage. I honestly was going to buy Draven today, but the patch was delayed. I figure it'll be fun to play a ridiculously OP champ for two weeks. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 05 2012,20:56
A critical hitting Blitzcrank?I'm not sure I agree with the Tanky Darius. When I was laning with him as Ashe, he got all the kills. I had 0 kills and like 17 assists or something. And fighting against him, he's always been able to beat up my champs very easily. I'm a fan of Veigar because of his nuke. Being able to snipe one of their carries is huge. I'm glad I was Viegar in tonights game instead of Ziggs. I was able to burst all of their tanks down in less than a second. I never killed them, but I put them within 1 hit from death. We didn't have to hack at the tank for 5-7 seconds. Boom, done. And his spells refresh so quickly that I can keep doing it. Once I've burned my ult and my deathfire, my burst damage goes down. But my Q cools down in 2 seconds and does 500+ damage. Plus that large area stun. Between Gordon slowing/flipping, Stranger landing an unprecedented number of anchors and my circle of stun, we were able to chase down pretty much anyone wanted to. Team fights though, I was doing a truck load of damage with my E dropping from the sky doing AOE, etc. Yes, he's definitely a glass cannon. But he's firing nukes. Which is cool. And really, he'll only get better for us. I still miss click a ton of spells. Laning against Nidalee suuuuuuucked. And she came out there KNOWING she was going to own me. Right off the bat. Ran right past the minions and just started spearing me. The extra support from the jungler helped a ton. We didn't kill her much, but it helped me stay in my lane. Almost have to make the middle area a constant stop. Even if we don't kill, it keeps her cautious. As far as Cass goes, laning against her sucks big time. But how is she late game and in fights? I can't remember the last game where Cass was a dominant force. I'll be giving her a try though. Once I get to know her, I might be able to figure out how she'll fit into our team. And again, this was the best game I've seen Stranger play Naut in. Well done. From now on, THAT'S how you play Naut! Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 05 2012,20:57
Oh, and ya. If Draven jungles, buy him. Let's exploit the OPness of the new champ.
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 06 2012,05:47
(Cakedaddy @ Jun. 05 2012,22:57) QUOTE Oh, and ya. If Draven jungles, buy him. Let's exploit the OPness of the new champ. I've decided that they must be doing that on purpose. The release new champions a bit OP on purpose knowing they'll be nerfing them over the next few weeks but that in the meantime they'll sell a lot more of them that way. I can't recall the last time a new champion was widely proclaimed to be way too underpowered and in need of some serious buffing over the next few patches. Posted by Stranger on Jun. 06 2012,11:12
(Cakedaddy @ Jun. 05 2012,23:56) QUOTE A critical hitting Blitzcrank? I'm not sure I agree with the Tanky Darius. When I was laning with him as Ashe, he got all the kills. I had 0 kills and like 17 assists or something. And fighting against him, he's always been able to beat up my champs very easily. I'm a fan of Veigar because of his nuke. Being able to snipe one of their carries is huge. I'm glad I was Viegar in tonights game instead of Ziggs. I was able to burst all of their tanks down in less than a second. I never killed them, but I put them within 1 hit from death. We didn't have to hack at the tank for 5-7 seconds. Boom, done. And his spells refresh so quickly that I can keep doing it. Once I've burned my ult and my deathfire, my burst damage goes down. But my Q cools down in 2 seconds and does 500+ damage. Plus that large area stun. Between Gordon slowing/flipping, Stranger landing an unprecedented number of anchors and my circle of stun, we were able to chase down pretty much anyone wanted to. Team fights though, I was doing a truck load of damage with my E dropping from the sky doing AOE, etc. Yes, he's definitely a glass cannon. But he's firing nukes. Which is cool. And really, he'll only get better for us. I still miss click a ton of spells. Laning against Nidalee suuuuuuucked. And she came out there KNOWING she was going to own me. Right off the bat. Ran right past the minions and just started spearing me. The extra support from the jungler helped a ton. We didn't kill her much, but it helped me stay in my lane. Almost have to make the middle area a constant stop. Even if we don't kill, it keeps her cautious. As far as Cass goes, laning against her sucks big time. But how is she late game and in fights? I can't remember the last game where Cass was a dominant force. I'll be giving her a try though. Once I get to know her, I might be able to figure out how she'll fit into our team. And again, this was the best game I've seen Stranger play Naut in. Well done. From now on, THAT'S how you play Naut! QUOTE And again, this was the best game I've seen Stranger play Naut in. Well done. From now on, THAT'S how you play Naut! Well thanks! honestly i didn't play or build him any different than normal. Infact that was my support build so i didn't have the whole defensive masteries that i would have if i was going solo top and full tank mode. I do like Vieger just because he is such a late game terror. i was watching guys lastnight have huge chunks of health being dropped in an instant. So they would run for their lives and i would just hook em back or Gordo flips them. And i LOVE teams with AOE and stuns and slows, we play so much better with that team comp. Personally if you like Vieger i say go for it. But if there are some other AP's you would like to try Kassadin is free this week and he can be tough to handle if played right. And like Leisher said Cassiopia is good too. She has the ult that can freeze the whole team, and you know much i love that crowd control. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 06 2012,11:12
QUOTE A critical hitting Blitzcrank? I'm not sure I agree with the Tanky Darius. When I was laning with him as Ashe, he got all the kills. I had 0 kills and like 17 assists or something. And fighting against him, he's always been able to beat up my champs very easily. From all the builds I've seen and the discussions regarding him, everyone seems to be building him tanky because his kit has so much damage built into it. QUOTE Oh, and ya. If Draven jungles, buy him. Let's exploit the OPness of the new champ. I don't think he's built to jungle, but he might be ok. I honestly think he's going to be a clown when played by bad players due to the "catch your ax" gimmick. They're going to focus on that and run right out of position. His coolest attack is the controllable Ashe ult. QUOTE I've decided that they must be doing that on purpose. The release new champions a bit OP on purpose knowing they'll be nerfing them over the next few weeks but that in the meantime they'll sell a lot more of them that way. Yeah, that's pretty much the general feeling on the LoL forums. QUOTE I can't recall the last time a new champion was widely proclaimed to be way too underpowered and in need of some serious buffing over the next few patches. Graves was so OP that he's been nerfed around 7 times in a row. That's insane. I think Darius might get similar treatment. However, you don't see many Hecarims out there anymore, and they didn't nerf him much, so I think he was just UP. Posted by Stranger on Jun. 06 2012,11:13
oops, still learning how to quote things
Posted by Stranger on Jun. 06 2012,11:32
QUOTE I don't think he's built to jungle, but he might be ok. I honestly think he's going to be a clown when played by bad players due to the "catch your ax" gimmick. They're going to focus on that and run right out of position. His coolest attack is the controllable Ashe ult. i agree, he might be tricky to play because of this. And the other team can see where his axe is going to land so it would be easy to predict where he's heading. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 06 2012,19:00
But. . . your role is Jungler!We need a fifth. Posted by Stranger on Jun. 06 2012,19:14
Hey TPRjones. Do u play? We definetly need a fifth. Join us!
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 06 2012,19:25
Heh. No thanks. 1) I'm not very good, and 2) I play just for fun and don't intend to get any better. ![]() Posted by Stranger on Jun. 08 2012,09:45
Anyone plan on playing tonight?
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 08 2012,11:34
I'll be on.I bought Draven, so far I'm not too impressed. His Q is a gimmick that can easily be used by enemy champs to figure out where he's going next. Also, it's not really easy to use. The view is isometric, and in one game I saw a few instances where I was trying to click the next spot the axe would land, but couldn't click behind a monster, enemy champion, or object in the way. His W is the same as Miss Fortune's. Just a movement and attack speed boost. His E is kind of cool. A longer range slow that also displaces everyone it hits. His R is Ashe's only without the stun and can hit multiple targets. I don't hate him, but the Q being so gimmicky kind of ruins him, imho.In the one game I played as him I had to really concentrate to use that Q, but the rest of his kit is normal AD carry stuff. I think Ashe is a great comparison to him. His Q and her Q almost do the same thing. His Q gives you more range and damage as you hit the same target and catch your axe. Ashe's Q slows the target meaning you can hit them more, and do more damage. Different ways to do it, but I'd bet the damage is very similar. So the big difference is that his Q is a pain in the ass to use, where her Q is automatic... Posted by Stranger on Jun. 08 2012,12:34
< http://www.reddit.com/r....4v5_win >Looks like you can take advantage of a team with an afk by using Draven's ult on them at thier nexus!! Talk about some easy kills. Thats hilarious Posted by Leisher on Jun. 08 2012,18:23
I take it back, I'm out tonight. I forgot I'm getting up early for a golf outing in the morning. So it's off to bed early for me.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 08 2012,18:31
I didn't bring a mouse. Out for the week.Everyone practice sucking less while I am gone. Posted by Stranger on Jun. 08 2012,19:37
dude, go to Walmart and buy one for cheap!!
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 09 2012,06:13
They dont have walmarts way out here
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 09 2012,11:41
If there's Internet, there's a store selling mice.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 09 2012,13:54
I dont think there will be internet where i am going
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 11 2012,19:56
Well, I lied. I have been getting better after all.I'm still no good against champions, but I've gotten very good at pushing minions and towers and running away. Posted by Stranger on Jun. 12 2012,05:22
QUOTE Well, I lied. I have been getting better after all. I'm still no good against champions, but I've gotten very good at pushing minions and towers and running away. Thats how i first started playing the game.. I would play Garen solo top and hardly ever leave my lane even when team fights would break out. It was the only way i knew how to play and it didn't work bad for us at the time. Granted i was prolly only summoner level 10 or so at the time and none of us were level 30 but there is a place for split pushing. What summoner level are you? and what champions do you own? Posted by Stranger on Jun. 12 2012,05:45
Also i was curious as to what champs all of us own right now and what lane you feel most comfortable playing with them in. I think we should list who we have and maybe talk about what champs we could try and practice with.I currently own the following champs and feel im best at the following lanes with them: Ahri- Mid Alistar- Jungle, or Support Amumu- Jungle, or maybe Support (never tried it) Brand- Mid Garen- Top Heimerdinger- Mid Kog-maw- Bottom, can be played AP mid but ive never done it. Leona- Support Nautilus- Top, Support or Jungle Olaf- Top Shen- Top or Support Shyvana- Top or Jungle Skarner- Jungle Soraka- Support Taric- Support Tristana- Bottom Udyr- Jungle Vayne- Bottom Xerath- Mid Ziggs- Mid I've owned some of these champs for a while cause of some drunken IP or RP spending, and i obviously haven't played some of them at all other than in bot games. But i'm open to trying something new or purchasing a new champ that you guys might think i should try out. So lets see what you guys got and discuss possible team comps that could work. Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 12 2012,05:45
I'm level 14, and I own about a dozen now but the two I do best with are Sivir and Nassus.Typically the game will end and I'll be something like 1/8/1 but with six towers killed and two or three inhibitors. And all the minions. We rarely lose a game now, although we're often way way behind on champion kills. But champion kills are not the winning condition for LoL. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 12 2012,11:14
No, but feeding too much can absolutely cost you the game.
Posted by Stranger on Jun. 12 2012,11:18
Also i was curious as to what champs all of us own right now and what lane you feel most comfortable playing with them in. I think we should list who we have and maybe talk about what champs we could try and practice with.I currently own the following champs and feel im best at the following lanes with them: Ahri- Mid Alistar- Jungle, or Support Amumu- Jungle, or maybe Support (never tried it) Brand- Mid Garen- Top Heimerdinger- Mid Kog-maw- Bottom, can be played AP mid but ive never done it. Leona- Support Nautilus- Top, Support or Jungle Olaf- Top Shen- Top or Support Shyvana- Top or Jungle Skarner- Jungle Soraka- Support Taric- Support Tristana- Bottom Udyr- Jungle Vayne- Bottom Xerath- Mid Ziggs- Mid I've owned some of these champs for a while cause of some drunken IP or RP spending, and i obviously haven't played some of them at all other than in bot games. But i'm open to trying something new or purchasing a new champ that you guys might think i should try out. So lets see what you guys got and discuss possible team comps that could work. Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 12 2012,12:27
(GORDON @ Jun. 12 2012,13:14) QUOTE No, but feeding too much can absolutely cost you the game. Sometimes. But typically the idiots we play against just keep trying to gank champions and never push. No amount of feeding can overcome complete strategic ignorance. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 12 2012,19:26
QUOTE Sometimes. But typically the idiots we play against just keep trying to gank champions and never push. No amount of feeding can overcome complete strategic ignorance. We should do a 5v5 game. QUOTE I currently own the following champs and feel im best at the following lanes with them: Ahri- Mid Alistar- Jungle, or Support Amumu- Jungle, or maybe Support (never tried it) Brand- Mid Garen- Top Heimerdinger- Mid Kog-maw- Bottom, can be played AP mid but ive never done it. Leona- Support Nautilus- Top, Support or Jungle Olaf- Top Shen- Top or Support Shyvana- Top or Jungle Skarner- Jungle Soraka- Support Taric- Support Tristana- Bottom Udyr- Jungle Vayne- Bottom Xerath- Mid Ziggs- Mid I think you should focus tanks and support. Doesn't matter if your tanks come out of the jungle or are in lane. I own: Alistar ? Amumu Annie ? Ashe Caitlyn Cho'Gath Dr. Mundo Draven Evelynn ? Fiora Gangplank Heimdinger Jax Katarina Kayle Master Yi Miss Fortune Nasus Nunu Poppy Ryze Shaco Singed Sivir Soraka Teemo Tristana Tryndamere Twisted Fate Twitch Varus Warwick Xin Zhao I could run down what lane and all that, but honestly, just give me an AD carry and tell me where to go. If it's ranged, top and mid will be easier. If not, bot or jungle. Oh, and I'm starting to think I want to roll Teemo out on SR a bit more. Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 12 2012,20:29
(Leisher @ Jun. 12 2012,21:26) QUOTE We should do a 5v5 game. Heh. I'm sure we're hardly worth your time. ![]() Posted by GORDON on Jun. 17 2012,13:36
Anyone still playing? I was on last night for a long time and then Cake got on and started a game without me and I was like OK WHATEVER.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 17 2012,14:49
I was so used to playing without you, I didn't notice. . .Actually, I was in a bad mood and was just using the game as a distraction. For what it's worth, I sucked and we lost. So be glad you weren't there. I'll be ready to get back into things this week though. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 18 2012,06:09
QUOTE Anyone still playing? I used your vacation as an LoL vacation. Played other games, watched a few flicks, spent time with family, etc. I'm ready to return to LoL. QUOTE For what it's worth, I sucked and we lost. So, same old, same old... ![]() Posted by GORDON on Jun. 18 2012,06:25
I was ready to play last night and the entire game was down.I'm going to be rusty. Posted by Stranger on Jun. 18 2012,06:51
i also took a little vacation from LOL. But i did get a few solo q games in with Leona with pretty good success. I'll prolly be on tonight
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 20 2012,08:25
Big patch today.Also, the servers are down. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 20 2012,12:40
Just tried to log in and saw this:Your position in queue: Over 20000 Approx wait time: 3 hours and 40 min Posted by GORDON on Jun. 20 2012,12:47
Patching now so I don't end up being the dick who logs in at 10pm and says "Oh, I need to patch" while 4 other people are waiting for him.Or her. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 20 2012,15:47
Not sure if I'll be on tonight.But here's my run down of last night: I watched Leisher, Stranger and Gordon play and they suuuuuucked. Not being in the game and just observing, you guys kept doing dumb stuff over and over and over. I couldn't believe how poorly you were playing and what bad decisions you were making. It was crazy. It wasn't just that I could see the gank waiting for you in the bushes, or that help was coming and you were screwed. It was the turret diving and the over extending and the chasing into an out numbered fight, etc. You guys wanted kills, no. matter. what. And it happened over and over again. One thing that shocked me was all the 1v1 fighting Leisher was doing KNOWING he had no chance to win. And it wasn't that you got caught and couldn't get away. You'd chase the person down with both of you at full health and they would then destroy you. That happened ALOT. Stranger's favorite move was the turret dive. And Gordon was the over extender. He'd run way out, into all three of them, then get stunned and bursted down, over and over. Being a silent observer REALLY put some things into perspective. It's one thing to watch two teams who know what they are doing play the game. It's something completely different watching us play against a good team. Playing the 5v5 after that, I saw a lot of the same stuff happening. Although, Leisher 1v1's better with Fiora than he does MF. We as a team. .. poor decision after poor decision. Both games, no wards. The enemy teams were highly mobile and wandering and ganking all over the place. Yet, we had so few wards on the board. In the 3v3, there were so many times a ward would have saved you, or gotten you a kill. The enemy had them scattered about, you guys had none. Our 5v5, I was buying wards 3 at a time trying to keep us safe from Talon. Yes, we ended up winning, but I almost wonder if it wasn't because the enemy was getting bored and started doing stupid stuff. Our late game abilities helped as well, obviously. But we didn't deserve to win that game. Not by a long shot. Our team work suuuuuuuuuuuuucks and people need to start playing to NOT DIE again. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 20 2012,15:53
I had the least deaths on the team, both games.You suck more. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 20 2012,18:35
I was not in a good mood that first game. Just didn't care. Second game I cared and knew what Fiora could do. Avoided Talon as he was fed but hunted MF. Late game Fiora is a bitch. Kinda like Trynd but with less escapability.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 20 2012,18:39
First game was the first I had played in about 2 weeks. Rusty as hell.Second game I was still a little rusty but I had the least deaths of everyone on both teams, except for one guy on their side. I disagree that my "overextending" problem is high on the list of things to fix when I get killed the fewest times of anyone else in the game. Posted by Stranger on Jun. 21 2012,15:55
just now tried to log on and im getting login errors. I know Riot has been having some "issues" over the last few days so i hope it gets fixed by this evening.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 21 2012,15:59
(Stranger @ Jun. 21 2012,18:55) QUOTE just now tried to log on and im getting login errors. I know Riot has been having some "issues" over the last few days so i hope it gets fixed by this evening. It is telling me my username/password is invalid. Let's hope that gets fixed. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 21 2012,16:26
Server is completely down now.This is 3 or 4 nights in a row they have had problems. Better knock a mil off the next tourny prize. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 21 2012,16:38
Everything down including their website.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 21 2012,16:51
They are making updates via Facebook. Too bad some of you don't use the facebook.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 21 2012,17:28
Website and newsfeed are back. Server still down.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 21 2012,17:35
We should invade some European server for when NA is befucked.
Posted by Stranger on Jun. 21 2012,18:28
doesn't look to promising tonight. If they do get the servers up the login que will prolly be a few hours anyways
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 21 2012,18:48
Well not with that attitude!
Posted by Stranger on Jun. 21 2012,18:59
good thing is, in the past they have usually given us compensation for extended periods of downtime. Usually an IP boost, but maybe we'll get something more this time
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 21 2012,19:31
They should give everyone a free skin or a free champion.
Posted by Stranger on Jun. 22 2012,09:38
< http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2248946 >Apparently this thing is a way bigger mess than i thought. Lots of people are missing all of their runes and the some are missing champs and skins that they have purchased! I haven't been able to get on since tuesday night, but even so if you don't have your runes and or champs you're at a big disadvantage right off the bat. No sense in even playing then. but i did read somewhere that all the loses won't count against ya untill everything is settled. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 22 2012,10:02
I'm attempting to log in now to see if I'm missing anything, but the queue is over 20K, and 15+ minutes. Last I saw this morning ranked games were still disabled. If they have their shit together by 10 tonight I should be on. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 22 2012,10:20
All my shit appears to be in order.And, of the 3 games I played with Cake 2 nights ago and he fed badly through 2 of them and made me lose, I now have a "loss prevented" so they aren't going to count against me. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 22 2012,10:33
My account seems fine as well.
Posted by Stranger on Jun. 22 2012,10:36
i hope mine is good too. i'm checking as soon as i get home. regardless im still playing tonight, its been too long.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 22 2012,12:30
![]() ![]() ![]() Posted by Stranger on Jun. 22 2012,15:05
Just got home to see if my account is screwed up and it's a 2 hour queue time!! better log in early if you're planning on playing tonight
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 22 2012,17:23
(Stranger @ Jun. 22 2012,18:05) QUOTE Just got home to see if my account is screwed up and it's a 2 hour queue time!! better log in early if you're planning on playing tonight Yeah, was just coming in to say that. It is telling me 2 hours. DOn't believe it, but still. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 23 2012,23:15
< How to join the LoL public beta server. >It's a whole other client on your computer, and it's large, so make sure you have the disk space. It's pretty cool. Your guy will be bumped to lvl 30 and given free RP and IP within your first hour. This is where a lot of players come to test drive the new champ before he/she gets released. From what I understand, the new champs are 10 IP to encourage their use. Older champs are normal priced, but your account is always given RP and IP at various times to keep you going. No more buying new champs sight unseen. You will need to rebuild your masteries and build up a new rune collection for this server. One cool map here is The Proving Grounds. Picture Summoner's Rift only without the top, bot, and jungle. It'd be a good place for us to practice PvP fighting and test new champions. It's got interesting rules too. Recall is disabled and you can't shop except for the start of the game and when you die. My name there is Betaguy. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 25 2012,12:07
< A tribunal case. >
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 25 2012,13:08
(Leisher @ Jun. 25 2012,15:07) QUOTE < A tribunal case. > I'd vote to ban Shaco. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 25 2012,21:50
If Darius isn't nerfed during the next patch, I'm buying him.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 26 2012,10:03
Nasus escape Posted by Leisher on Jun. 26 2012,10:06
I still wish Cake would try her... Posted by Stranger on Jun. 26 2012,10:59
U might as well just go ahead and get Darius. With the way the servers have been, i doubt they are ready to put any sorta patch in soon.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 26 2012,11:55
Buying goofing off on my smurf account since Cake asked if I could jungle with anyone other than Fiora.Fizz might be interesting... Does jungle Darius work? Posted by GORDON on Jun. 26 2012,12:53
(Leisher @ Jun. 26 2012,13:06) QUOTE I still wish Cake would try her... That looks more like a Lux showcase. Or Janna. Whoever that person with the shield was. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 26 2012,13:20
Janna was doing the support, which will make Cake immediately start talking about how critical it is to focus support, and yada yada, but did you see how much damage Cass was doing? All I'm saying is next time she's free, give her a run. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 26 2012,13:24
I win 1v5 games, as Gangplank, 2 out of 3 times. Last night I randomly played a 1v5 as GP against:Graves Ashe Xin Jao Taric Master Yi I got steamrolled. I played 2 more games against those exact champions, 1v5. I got steamrolled each time. Lucky to get even 1 turret kill. I don't think those characters can be beaten in a custom game, 1v5. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 26 2012,13:29
QUOTE I win 1v5 games, as Gangplank, 2 out of 3 times. Last night I randomly played a 1v5 as GP against: Graves Ashe Xin Jao Taric Master Yi I got steamrolled. I played 2 more games against those exact champions, 1v5. I got steamrolled each time. Lucky to get even 1 turret kill. I don't think those characters can be beaten in a custom game, 1v5. I watched that game and was surprised. They looked tough. Still...challenge accepted. Now to decide who I'll use: Teemo, MF, Trynd, or Fiora. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 26 2012,13:44
Twice I went with my standard item order of speed, then damage. Wasn't working. Last game I tried early Thornmail, since they were teaming up and doing a lot of damage on me. It was possibly worse since I wasn't clearing minions as fast.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 26 2012,14:03
That Cass video was a complete fluke. HARDLY shows what she's capable of. 10000 times out of 10001 encounters like that, she dies.I already bought her. I bought about 5 mid laning champs the other day to both play with, and to decrease the odds that one of my mains gets banned in ranked games. Fizz. This might be a time where it's better that you take mid and I hit the jungle with Noc. Going AP with your jungle means we lose an AD carry. Of course, Gordon can go Nasus instead of Singed, etc. Given the frequency that Gordon split pushes lanes as Singed, maybe it would be better if you were Fizz and he Nasus. In summary, if you go Fizz, there will have to be some other changes that go with it. Not arguing against him, just saying other things would need to happen too. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 26 2012,14:07
Should I not be split pushing with Singed? I just do it because somebody has to clear the lanes, I seem to notice it needs to be done more often, and Singed is fast at clearing waves.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 26 2012,14:12
Thoughts on an enemy tactic I saw last night:There was a game where, in early mid-game, they were turret pushing with 4-5 people, very effectively, then they would go back to push their own lanes. Here is my thought: We ALL have Teleport as a spell. As soon as one of us has a large-ish group of minions pushing a turret, the call goes out and we all teleport in for the turret kill. The minions add as the turret shield, of course, since we are all level 8/9/whatever. We kill the turret, we all recall out, spend money, and return to our lanes. There isn't much they can do about it if they are all out of position or don't all have teleport, so I think it would get us killing turrets about 5 minutes earlier than we usually do. Then we wait for our teleports to refresh and do it again. Just a thought. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 26 2012,15:28
Beat them as Ziggs. Lost 4 turrets, no inhibs. 25:59 was the time. Went 13/3/0. It was my first game as Ziggs vs them and it was pretty easy.Tried it as Viegar and got steam rolled. But, I was playing with my AD carry runes/masteries. But I don't think my mage R/M would have made a difference. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 26 2012,16:58
You should split push if you want to.I'm down for any strategy at all. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 26 2012,21:13
QUOTE That Cass video was a complete fluke. Well duh. It just reminded me that I hate facing her, thus would want her on my team. QUOTE I already bought her. I bought about 5 mid laning champs the other day to both play with, and to decrease the odds that one of my mains gets banned in ranked games. Cool QUOTE In summary, if you go Fizz, there will have to be some other changes that go with it. I had the same thought, but didn't type it all out. Figured we might need to change somethings up, but there's so many variables. For example, what's with all the teams without junglers? QUOTE Should I not be split pushing with Singed? I've got no problem with it. It works out for us. QUOTE We ALL have Teleport as a spell. I agree that more of us should have it, but maybe not all. I used it tonight as Teemo and it worked out. I'll try it with jungle Fiora too. It'll help me get around faster. Might be great for any jungler... Posted by GORDON on Jun. 26 2012,21:22
(Leisher @ Jun. 27 2012,00:13) QUOTE QUOTE Should I not be split pushing with Singed? I've got no problem with it. It works out for us. Does it feel like group fights go better when Singed is there scrambling things up? Sort of does to me, so tonight I was making an effort to split off slightly less. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 26 2012,21:47
Having him there was messing me up pretty bad. It seemed like every one of your flips was flipping someone out of my circle, or out from under my dark matter spell. I'll have to get used to it. Vayne was doing the same thing the other night. At least your flips normally flip him into range of my other spells, where Vayne was shooting them OUT of range.Not complaining, just saying. I have to anticipate your flips better. Also, it seemed that when you flipped people out of my circle, it still stunned them. Just way out where they landed. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2012,05:52
(Cakedaddy @ Jun. 27 2012,00:47) QUOTE Having him there was messing me up pretty bad. It seemed like every one of your flips was flipping someone out of my circle, or out from under my dark matter spell. I'll have to get used to it. Vayne was doing the same thing the other night. At least your flips normally flip him into range of my other spells, where Vayne was shooting them OUT of range. Not complaining, just saying. I have to anticipate your flips better. Also, it seemed that when you flipped people out of my circle, it still stunned them. Just way out where they landed. I kept seeing people dead-center of your circle, not stunned. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 27 2012,08:20
QUOTE I kept seeing people dead-center of your circle, not stunned. I see that a lot too. There are definitely some players who are good enough to stand still in the circle so they're not stunned, and only move when forced. However, I think Cake needs to shelve Veigar until they fix this flash out thing or until we figure out that we've made an incorrect assumption about their wording in the last patch. I can her the frustration in his voice every time he drops his circle. "They aren't supposed to be able to do that!!!!" QUOTE Having him there was messing me up pretty bad. It seemed like every one of your flips was flipping someone out of my circle, or out from under my dark matter spell. I'll have to get used to it. Vayne was doing the same thing the other night. At least your flips normally flip him into range of my other spells, where Vayne was shooting them OUT of range. Not complaining, just saying. I have to anticipate your flips better. Also, it seemed that when you flipped people out of my circle, it still stunned them. Just way out where they landed. With the new characters there are some adjustments we do need to make in our play style. Gordo does make the occasional "oops" flip, but I saw Scooty do the "push away" shot with Vayne multiple times that saved the enemy. I'm not ripping him for that, it's just a part of learning the characters. He doesn't have the timing and distances down yet. As for our tanks in combat, one item that might help either one of you is the Sunfire cape. Hell, you might but it now, but if not, toy with the idea. Its passive always does magic damage to enemies around you. So you'd be clearing out minions faster, doing constant damage in team fights, make chasing and fighting you up close a nightmare, etc. It might be better for Nautilus because Singed is so elusive...? I don't know. I know Amumu and Rammus players usually have it. I enjoyed Teemo on SR. I did a speed build rather than an AP build. Thus, my mushrooms weren't killing anyone, but I could stand toe to toe with any champion 1v1, except Olaf. Oh, and I was tougher early game. Anyone have any complaints or suggestions? I thought I had good mushroom placement? I do want to be critical about one thing: Scooty needs to stop arguing with random morons. I don't mind fun trash talk. Cake, Gordo, and I have been in some matches where the trash talk was hilarious and never offensive or teen angst ramblings. I don't even mind when Scooty gets heated with enemies. However, he's got to stop fighting with teammates. It's distracting, it takes away from his game, it takes away from that person's game, it sets him up to be banned, and it does no good in fixing any existing problem. In fact, it usually makes them worse. I'm typing this in the open, not for anyone to specifically talk to him about it, as we've done so before, but because I would say this to his face, and have during recent games. I get the frustration level, and I know where he is in age, and how I acted at that age. I just want to relay to him that if our random gets frustrated, it is so much better to stay positive rather than get into a shouting match. That sounds so "hippy", but the truth is that being positive and getting that random on our side, and to work with us means we have a better chance of crushing our enemies, see them driven before us, and hear the lamentations of their women. Suck it hippies. Posted by Stranger on Jun. 27 2012,09:36
Hey guys, sorry i wasn't able to make it on last night, really wanted to but i was beat and needed some rest.But for the record my Tanky/Support build for both Nautilus and Leona goes as follows: Aegis of Legion: gives armor and MR to me and allies in my area also gives some AD to allies Frozen heart: Armor, Mana, and cooldown reduction. also reduces enemy attack speed by 20% Shurelya's Reverie: HP and cooldown reduction and an active that gives the team 40% moves speed bonus for 4 seconds All these are pretty much core and get built every game. The purpose is to have an effect on our team fights by boosting our whole team defense, slowing their attack speed and giving us the ability to chase down or flee any situations that may occure. I do like the sunfire cape alot. but it hasn't been something i have built because after my boots and heart of gold which can be built into randuins (which also has a great active effect on it) my build slots are basically full. And lately i have been sacrificing my final build slot for use of wards and pink eye late game when all of you guys have full builds and there are no more slots for wards. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 27 2012,10:01
Played first game as Cassiopia. She has a great harass, but not much else. The way you have to target things is wonky. Somewhat like Urgot. Her ult has a VERY short range severely limiting when you can use it being that she's so squishy. Her spells all have really low cool downs though, so you can rapid fire and spam them. This is good for when they enemy is pushing against us, not so much for the chase though. She's not a nuker. Very limited finishing ability. So, I'll be way in the back for all the fights just throwing AOE shit into the mess and freezing them if we start losing the fight and have to retreat.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2012,10:52
(Stranger @ Jun. 27 2012,12:36) QUOTE And lately i have been sacrificing my final build slot for use of wards and pink eye late game when all of you guys have full builds and there are no more slots for wards. You can use pinkeye even with a full inventory.... and I don't personally think I would leave an inventory slot open just for wards. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 27 2012,11:28
QUOTE You can use pinkeye even with a full inventory.... and I don't personally think I would leave an inventory slot open just for wards. Agreed. That slot would be much better filled with a defensive or offensive item. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2012,15:54
First time since I got back from vacation that there hasn't been a login queue.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 27 2012,16:04
I'm not sure I agree with the 'much better filled' thing. Intel is very valuable. You might like a sunfire cape in that spot during a team fight. But when we are able to setup, or avoid a gank because of all the wards he's got around, that's way better than a sunfire cape at that moment.So often, we get beat up in team fights and we have to be sneaky. A ward filled map goes a long way. I like having wards on the map. A lot. I like knowing where the enemy is. Like so many other things in the game, the last slot could be based on the flow of the game. We are winning team fights and they aren't organized? Then Sunfire. If they are constantly catching us with our pants down? Wards. Blanket statement saying item > wards is incorrect, in my opinion. Especially on a support character. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2012,16:21
Perhaps the first person to fill 5 slots with a full item... the person on our team who has been getting the most last hits and most money.... is the person responsible for buying 15 wards at a time and just keeping the map filled and lit up. A ward in every bush.Or, we all get Wriggle's lantern, and all place a ward a minute wherever we happen to be when the countdown refreshes. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 27 2012,21:57
Beat that team as Ziggs again in 24:07.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2012,22:22
Crap, beat them earlier and forgot to note the time.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 27 2012,22:22
Make that 22:10.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 28 2012,11:50
Took a break from school and fought those 5 with Trynd. I went 18-2, destroyed every enemy building, and beat them in 20:15. Also lost zero turrets. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 28 2012,12:11
Trynd up the gut, ignoring bot and top:12-2 in 16:05. I lost the first turret at bot, but oddly, my minions took out the first top turret at about 14:30. Also, I was against Ashe at first and was dominating her. The AI moved her to bot, and stuck combos of Yi, Taric, or Xin in my lane. Initially, it slowed me down. Pretty cool that it switches things up when something isn't working. Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 28 2012,12:15
I hate the sunfire cape. It makes it almost impossible to push towers with enemy champions around. And push towers is what I do.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 28 2012,13:47
That scenario I posted, and we are trying to get the best times:Sometimes they gang up on me and I get surrounded by 4 of them, over and over... those are the games I lose. Sometimes they are just stupid and attack me one on one, and those are the games I win. So far I can see no method to their madness, it will either be one way or the other. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 29 2012,07:56
So Cake and Scooty are out this weekend, and all next week?Will it just be me, Gordo, and Stranger playing TT? What's our lineup? I'm out for sure tomorrow night, and unless all three of us are on to play TT, don't bug me. I'm going to try and finish Fallout: New Vegas as it's the game that seems to never end. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 29 2012,09:40
I'm around.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 29 2012,12:40
< The Proving Grounds >I spoke of this in a post earlier in this thread when I talked about the PBE client/server. So the next map is a straight line. I wonder how many kids will be shouting "1v1 me" during matches now. Will it increase because they actually can now, or will it decrease because they actually can now...? Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 29 2012,15:01
It will increase. But, they will make sure they are Fiora and you are Sona.Because the 1v1 challenges are always so stupid like that. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 29 2012,16:52
I loved accepting duels in UO and then doing our best to ambush/gank them.
Posted by Stranger on Jul. 01 2012,09:52
< http://www.own3d.tv/PhantomL0rd/watch/685557 >HAHA! this guys reaction is priceless. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 01 2012,10:01
Heh, amusing...
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 03 2012,07:06
#100 will apparently be "Jayce".Logged onto the beta servers, but he/she wasn't there yet. Posted by Stranger on Jul. 03 2012,13:19
< http://surrenderat20.blogspot.com/ >Some interesting news on here, including a Fiora buff and a Miss Fortune buff!! and of course some pretty rough Nautilus nerfs... BOO!! Even a new Singed skin is coming. But these changes are just going into the PBE and may or may not make it to live Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 05 2012,05:42
There's a LoL Play By Email? How in the world does that work?
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 05 2012,07:18
QUOTE There's a LoL Play By Email? How in the world does that work? Good question. Jayce... So I've played him. He has two modes. The first, he carries a big hammer and is melee. In this mode, he's got a jump attack like Jax, a field that surrounds him and does damage like Amumu (except it only lasts 4 seconds), and a pushback (like Vayne's) with a stun (lasts maybe a second...). His ult or "R" is available immediately and switches his weapon from a hammer to a crossbow looking thing (and vice versa). When he has this, he becomes ranged and his abilities are a charged up shot that hits and stops at the first thing it encounters (Like Varus's charged shot, but worse), a attack speed increase that lasts for three shots, and a field that speeds up allies if they run through it, and also speeds up the Q attack. I've got to say, he's pretty underwhelming. As the 100th champ, I'm not sure they could have made a worse character. He's not AD or AP, but you have to build both types of items to take advantage of his dual styles. He also has no ability to do any burst damage. He's not a tank or support, but he does have some of their abilities. I have no idea what this guy's about, but I won't be buying him. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 06 2012,07:08
A bit rusty for us last night, but once we dumped the dead weight we started winning. ![]() What did we do wrong against the tank team? Personally, I think they were well built. Yorick and Morde on the same team is tough with their dupes. Add in Sion, Lux for support, and the other tank (I forget their 5th), and you have a team with lots of tankiness and just enough damage. I think we could have won, but I'm not sure how. We had decent pushes and killed lots of their turrets, but as a team their abilities combined made them very difficult. Teemo top was fun and I was really surprised at how easily I kept Jarvin and Darius in check. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 06 2012,08:57
I think we all did really well and deserve trophies because we are all winners.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 06 2012,10:16
(Cakedaddy @ Jul. 06 2012,11:57) QUOTE I think we all did really well and deserve trophies because we are all winners. Especially me. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 06 2012,10:19
(Cakedaddy @ Jul. 06 2012,11:57) QUOTE I think we all did really well and deserve trophies because we are all winners. We know you're gay, you don't have to be flaming. I'll be on this weekend. Also, Cake asked me if I could bring anyone else out of the jungle, and I said Trynd. How about Twitch? He'd be a kick ass ganker. He'd force the enemy to spend money on sight wards and pink eye. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 06 2012,11:12
15:50 with Teemo going up the middle exclusively against those same 5 opponents. Went 6-0.16:59 with Miss Fortune at 17-0. Tried with Trynd, and at 19:00 I stopped trying to win quick, and just killed folks. Weird that I'm having more problems with my AD characters than with Teemo. I think it's because Teemo's early game is so strong and annoying, while the AD characters need to build up their damage. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 07 2012,13:50
I noticed that too... I can win a 5v1 with Singed faster and easier than I can with an AD character. I didn't expect that.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 07 2012,16:53
(Leisher @ Jul. 06 2012,05:19) QUOTE (Cakedaddy @ Jul. 06 2012,11:57) QUOTE I think we all did really well and deserve trophies because we are all winners. We know you're gay, you don't have to be flaming. I'm not trying to be gay. I'm just tired of being asked my opinion (directly or as part of the group) and then being called a dick when I offer it. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 07 2012,18:20
(Cakedaddy @ Jul. 07 2012,19:53) QUOTE (Leisher @ Jul. 06 2012,05:19) QUOTE (Cakedaddy @ Jul. 06 2012,11:57) QUOTE I think we all did really well and deserve trophies because we are all winners. We know you're gay, you don't have to be flaming. I'm not trying to be gay. I'm just tired of being asked my opinion (directly or as part of the group) and then being called a dick when I offer it. So gay. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 07 2012,23:37
Random 5th odds:Awesome - 10% Competent - 40% Suckfest - 50% Posted by Leisher on Jul. 08 2012,22:50
Sorry if Stranger and Gordo thought I got mad at the end of the TT. I wasn't. I was frustrated because I thought we all played so well. I was mad that I couldn't do more to win it for us. Every time we played good, they'd get lucky with their timing. Plus, that was one of the best Jarvin's I've seen.As for the SR game, Stranger was right in calling out Scooty for his build. If you're not playing your AD carry to do damage, that's bad. I think Scooty needs a bit of practice in lane. Not ripping him at all, but when we play better opponents his aggressive style gets him out of position. I've had the same issues. So let's switch things up a bit. Let's move him mid or jungle. If he's mid he can learn to be a bit less aggressive. My time mid with MF helped me. If he's jungle, he doesn't have to be Yi, but we could use more people able to jungle, and I'd like to go out in the lanes a bit with Teemo or mid with MF. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 09 2012,04:23
I deserve a bit of blame for that TT loss. Mid-late game when they started focussing me i was still trying to lead the charge since i knew i could do a lot of damage, fast. But they were fucussing me instantly and i never got more than a single swing n before i was dead, then it was 2v3 fight. I should have gone the assassin route fast and just hid in the weeds until they did their alpha strike on one of you, then jumped out with the hammer. I am very out of practice with GP in pvp. Sorry.The second game was practically a 3v5, judging by the final scores. 2 of us were 1/10 with minimal assists. Would have actually done better without them in the game feeding and takng gold/minions from a teammate. Harsh? Yes, but true and i expect to receive the same treatment if i do that. It is said out of love. Dirty, sweaty love. Posted by Stranger on Jul. 09 2012,06:39
I think i agree with changing up bottom lane a bit. Me and Scooty don't seem to have the synergy that is necessary. He plays ultra aggressive and gets out infront of me, gets bursted then i go in to help and im left 2v1 and usually dead myself. Last night was a classic example of that and Vayne was 4-0 and fed in less than 10 mins. Im good with any changes we may wanna try. Top, Jungle or bot support im pretty comfortable with all those Posted by Leisher on Jul. 09 2012,09:58
That ultra aggressive style is fine with Yi, but what Scooty has to take into account is how much less damage Caitlyn hits for compared to other ADs, and how much less she can take. That means playing back behind your tank, not in front of him. I'd rather see him go with MF or Graves. Both hit much harder, have more sustain, and have better kits. I'd be willing to take MF mid or rock Teemo in bot or top. I've really been in a Teemo groove lately. Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 09 2012,10:27
If you want tanking plus hard hits, Jax ftw
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 09 2012,19:30
I stand by my statement that I think we are all really awesome and deserve trophies for being the champions we are.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 09 2012,20:48
QUOTE I stand by my statement that I think we are all really awesome and deserve trophies for being the champions we are. Do whatever you have to do to keep peace in your home. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 10 2012,08:35
Anyone planning on being on tonight?
Posted by Stranger on Jul. 10 2012,09:11
ill be on
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 10 2012,09:30
I was just launching a custom game and saw Varus in my champion list. It made me wonder, "Why is Scooty play weak ass Caitlyn, when he owns Varus?"
Posted by Stranger on Jul. 10 2012,09:53
maybe he should play takier champs since he loves to get right in there and mix things up and initiate things. That way he can build them defensive builds and it would actually help the team. I wouldn't mind taking on a more damage dealing role. Getting kinda bored of having 0 or 1 kills in every game. i know its all about winning, but sometimes my blood lust comes out and i just wanna KILL KILL KILL!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by Leisher on Jul. 10 2012,11:32
QUOTE maybe he should play takier champs since he loves to get right in there and mix things up and initiate things. That way he can build them defensive builds and it would actually help the team. I wouldn't mind taking on a more damage dealing role. Getting kinda bored of having 0 or 1 kills in every game. i know its all about winning, but sometimes my blood lust comes out and i just wanna KILL KILL KILL!!!!!!!!!!!! We could move you to jungle with Skarner or Udyr AND: I could go mid with MF, and Cake could go bot with Maokai. Or I could go bot with Cake as Maokai and Scooty could go mid. Or I could go top with Teemo, Gordo can go bot with GP, and Cake can go with him as Maokai. Or Scooty could go bot with Varus with me or Gordo (Teemo and Singed) and the other can go top. (I might like this idea the best.) Etc. Varus got me to thinking so I played a game with him against the same 5 bots. I went 5-0 and lost. I was purposely sticking to mid, so bot and top got pushed QUICK. I just couldn't get kills. They'd always get away. Plus, it was taking me forever to kill minions. It was like playing in quicksand. I wasn't getting pushed, but I couldn't push, and wasn't earning money. Then I realized I was playing with my Teemo masteries. The next game I went 50-1 and won. It was interesting to see the how quickly the AI pushed my lanes again. I think they tweaked them a bit in the last patch. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 10 2012,11:59
ZyraCake will want to keep an eye on her as she's "primarily AP mid". Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 10 2012,12:27
I'm keeping the peace here too. You guys have never been very receptive of my opinions either.Any more, I just play whatever game is being played at that moment and try to mesh with whatever the team is doing. I don't try to take lead, etc. I just play the best that I can under whatever circumstances are developing. I've learned that trying to help your team play better just makes your team mad at you. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 10 2012,12:28
As far as being on tonight, I might be, but it would be later. Going to play some Left For Dead 2.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 10 2012,13:16
(Cakedaddy @ Jul. 10 2012,15:27) QUOTE I've learned that trying to help your team play better just makes your team mad at you. That reminds me of something my wife says when I tell her to stop nagging me. She says, "I am not nagging, I am just telling the truth." She thinks the two things are exclusive. Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 10 2012,13:26
While I haven't played with you in a long time, Cakedaddy, so this is in no way aimed specifically at you, my general experience in League of Legends has been that "trying to help your team play better" is code for "OMGWTFisWRONGwithYOUnewbs?! Reproted for feeding!!!one!1!"
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 10 2012,13:31
Nah, Cake is pretty good with the feedback. I told him that I didn't want to hear it once, though. I guess I hurt his feelings.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 10 2012,13:47
QUOTE Any more, I just play whatever game is being played at that moment and try to mesh with whatever the team is doing. I don't try to take lead, etc. I just play the best that I can under whatever circumstances are developing. That explains why we've been winning more... ![]() QUOTE Nah, Cake is pretty good with the feedback. I told him that I didn't want to hear it once, though. I guess I hurt his feelings. I agree. I want folks to tell me if I'm fucking up or if I'm doing good. I know Stranger is the same way. Here you are telling him feedback is ok, so that leaves one person...and last I checked, he isn't here. I wish he was, but he's not. QUOTE As far as being on tonight, I might be, but it would be later. Going to play some Left For Dead 2. Why don't you get on at 10 with the rest of us, and when we're done with LoL for the night 3 hours later, you can go play L4D2 until 4 in the morning. (I've noticed your gaming patterns.) P.S. I own L4D2 as well. Could never get anyone else to get it o multi though... P.S.S. I bought Darius. Figured he'd be a good option for me if I needed to play someone tankier, and not just glass cannons. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 10 2012,13:51
On the road. Patching up the laptop LOL, but early mornings and I don't think I will be awake at 10pm.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 10 2012,14:50
The people I play L4D2 with don't game late.I'm not sure what to say about our fifth. He is what he is. . . Plays how he plays. . . He says he's trying to change, for us, but. . . I dunno. He has good weeks, and he has bad weeks. We are definitely in a bad week. I gave him the highlights of what's been said. He says that Stranger constantly jumps out at the enemy, making Scooty go at the enemy, then Stranger pulls back leaving Scooty in a 1v2. So, it's Stranger's fault. He doesn't over extend and he's not too aggressive. He practices in solo queue and dominates. When he's against another premade team, he can't compete and gets owned. He can't get good with a champ because we ask him to change (I told him a while ago that his Caitlyn was weak. He needed to figure out a way to play her better). TONS more was said. . . but I'll spare you the details. Circular arguments, etc. The only thing of value out of a LOT of talking is that he admits he's weak against premade teams. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 11 2012,12:28
QUOTE The people I play L4D2 with don't game late. If you ever have a spot open and play at times I'm available, let me know. I've never multied that game, but would like to try it out. QUOTE I'm not sure what to say about our fifth. He is what he is. . . Plays how he plays. . . He says he's trying to change, for us, but. . . I dunno. He has good weeks, and he has bad weeks. We are definitely in a bad week. I gave him the highlights of what's been said. He says that Stranger constantly jumps out at the enemy, making Scooty go at the enemy, then Stranger pulls back leaving Scooty in a 1v2. So, it's Stranger's fault. He doesn't over extend and he's not too aggressive. He practices in solo queue and dominates. When he's against another premade team, he can't compete and gets owned. He can't get good with a champ because we ask him to change (I told him a while ago that his Caitlyn was weak. He needed to figure out a way to play her better). TONS more was said. . . but I'll spare you the details. Circular arguments, etc. The only thing of value out of a LOT of talking is that he admits he's weak against premade teams. Scooty is a good player, but his youth won't allow him to listen to advice to make him better. That's natural. Anyway, Stranger and I had the same conversation about solo queue previously, and I'll tell Scooty the same thing I told Stranger, "Your success or failure in solo queue doesn't mean shit." There are too many random factors in solo queue for anyone's record there to mean anything. It's mostly random chance. That's why there are internet cartoons dedicated to the roll of the dice known as solo queue. You could be the greatest LoL players ever, but if you get 4 bums, you're not winning. You could also be terrible, but if you get 4 good players, they can carry you to victory. Premades are what this game is all about. That's not discounting anyone's wins in solo queue, I'm just saying they're not the sole or most important factor in determining your LoL skill level. As for blaming Stranger...they're in voice. Ask him what he's doing, and don't follow him to your death. Also, that might happen once, but over and over? At some point doesn't it become the followers fault? I think Scooty needs to adjust his game to match his style more. (If he's not aggressive, then he shouldn't be playing AD carries.) If he wants to go support, send Stranger into the jungle and I'll lane with Scooty. As long as he sticks to a ROLE, I think we should give him the flexibility to start using other characters. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he kept using Caitlyn to punish us. ![]() Posted by GORDON on Jul. 11 2012,12:30
I noticed he is still all over the place in the champions he plays.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 11 2012,15:20
I think he's TOO aggressive. He often leads the charges, doesn't wait for his tank/support, over extends, etc.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 11 2012,17:27
I tried saving him a couple times recently, and died for it.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 11 2012,19:58
QUOTE I think he's TOO aggressive. He often leads the charges, doesn't wait for his tank/support, over extends, etc. Me too. So does Stranger. That's why I put in the point about "if he thinks he's not aggressive he should be playing another role." And please understand that I'm not picking on him. I like having Scooty as our fifth, I think he plays well, but he seems to get in his own way more than anyone else at this point. A few months back, Stranger was that guy. Prior to that it was the other three of us. Not saying we all don't goof from time to time, but we're doing it less often. Tell Scooty to lane like a safety. If he's aggressive and rushes in too quick, he can be burnt deep. If he stays home and attacks when the opponent makes a mistake, he'll get an pick, a batted ball, etc. Point being, play to farm and not get killed. Wait for your lane opponent to get out of position and then attack. Don't put yourself out of position. Stranger and I talked a bit about LoL tonight, and here's a lineup we'd like to test out: Gordo - Singed at bot (or Nasus) Me - Teemo at bot (unless Darius is at top solo, then I follow him) Scooty - Pantheon top solo (again, unless Darius is up there) Cake - Ziggs or Cass mid Stranger - Hecarim in the jungle Gordo is our solid tank. Cake still has mid. I think I've been solid with Teemo, and Gordo and I lane well. Stranger can jungle and has been doing well with Hecarim, and wants to get a few kills after playing the support/tank role so much. Scooty has been a solid top and has quick strike ability all over the map. Just something to try. I want to get out of the jungle a bit, Ronnie wants to jungle, and this would allow Scooty to lane and level up top alone avoiding the dual lane role where he's been struggling. If he hits trouble, Gordo or I could switch with him. Thoughts? Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 11 2012,20:39
I think that is a trophy team!!I tried telling Scooty that. He has two speeds. Rush out to certain death but maybe score a penta kill along the way, or sit under his turret getting nothing. I tried to explain taking advantage of an opportunity the enemy provides and he didn't get it. He kept saying "So go out and attack them?" "No. Farm but take advantage of opportunities." "So, just sit under the turret and not get gold and xp?" "No. Farm and take advantage of opportunities." Back and forth and whole bunch until I gave up. Then I started playing games with him. He said if he was Teemo and he had a ranged carry, they would own. So I went Ashe. The first two games he yelled at me for not rushing in with him. Any other Ashe he's ever played with would slow the enemy down so that he could keep shooting and kill them. So I started rushing in with him. Against and Alistar and a Vayne. It didn't work out at all. He said at that point that I was just feeding to make a point. We almost kill Alistar once and he was mad I didn't enter the fight soon enough. FYI, I initiated the fight. I was hitting him the whole time. I took a turret shot trying to keep hitting him. I have no idea what world he lives in. Then he walks up behind and reads a portion of this post and says that I'm shit talking him on the forums. That's all we do here. We shit talk Scooty. He can't be reasoned with. I give up. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 11 2012,21:30
LoLReplayHe has it. Record the games. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 12 2012,04:00
I will be home and playing tonight, but then I am out Friday night and possibly Saturday night.So plan accordingly. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 12 2012,06:01
I'll be on. I might even be on early. The family is heading to Cedar Point.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 12 2012,12:37
Tonight is it for me for possibly the next week. Friday and Saturday night I will be at the lake, and SUnday I have to go to bed early to be up at 4 am to hit the road, then I am in a hotel all week and I couldn't even get my shit patched up, the last hotel internet was so slow.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 17 2012,06:40
Apparently if Gordo leaves town it's the end of LoL. I've been on every night, and have only seen Stranger online. I haven't even seen Cake or Scooty in Steam. I've seen Stranger in Steam. I suppose it's a nice break though. I've been playing new purchases from the Steam sale. Posted by Stranger on Jul. 17 2012,07:05
yeah, and i should be a full on Steam member now.. I bought 2 games for $5 bucks!!
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 17 2012,07:06
Go to the Steam thread and post what you bought. I'm curious what finally got you to open your wallet.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 17 2012,17:38
You mean besides LoL?I've been busy as crazy. I would have been MIA even if Gordon was playing. I told Scooty that I don't want to play with him because it causes too much stress. Told him you guys could play with him or me, but not both. He equates that to being kicked off the team by everyone. I said that was false and it only meant that I wouldn't be playing at the same time. For a while, he assumed we were all playing without him too. I let him think it just because I could. It was just this past weekend that I let him know we hadn't played in so long. Anyway, he has both been busy with friends and also assuming no one wanted to play with him. Funny side note: He said that if I'm not going to play with him, I have to reimburse him for all the skins and champs that he bought so he could play the game. I laughed really loud and for a long time. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 17 2012,20:42
QUOTE Funny side note: He said that if I'm not going to play with him, I have to reimburse him for all the skins and champs that he bought so he could play the game. I laughed really loud and for a long time. That is funny. You can show this to Scooty: I want Scooty to play LoL with us. I didn't "kick him off the team" the first time, and I'm not kicking him off now. I hope you two can figure out a way to make it work. Random fifths suck. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 18 2012,03:34
Geez why cant he just be old?
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 18 2012,06:16
Also, since Stranger wants to get into the jungle with Skarner or Udyr, tell Scooty he has a prime opportunity to switch away from Caitlyn (Hooray!). He should break out Varus, and lane with me as Teemo.With Teemo, I play far more conservative because enemies like to target Teemo and his 4 hit points. So if he keeps dying in lane with Teemo, while Teemo lives, then he won't be able to deny that he's being too aggressive. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 18 2012,13:26
I was playing Ashe, conservatively, and he would die because I wasn't entering the fight as well. No denying the aggression.He's been going top solo looking for a new role. I mentioned mid Lux. He's been doing Warwick and Renekton at top. He's open to suggestions. I'm not sure what to suggest to fit with the rest of the team. But one thing that keeps coming up is that Gordon plays a lot of Singed. Scooty figures it's so he can bring his A game every time. If we never go ranked, then that's fine. But otherwise. . . It also made me wonder if there is much of a difference between Singed when he's played up top or as support at bottom. He seems to have the same affect on the game either way. Meaning, he does his job. He initiates and tanks and creates opportunities equally from either lane. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 18 2012,13:32
Really the lesson to take away from it is that GORDON gets it done.Nasus is my alternate for ranked, and I am proficient at GP, and I played a lot of Galio at one point as yet another alternate tank, but then we stopped playing ranked. I still own Galio. I like Singed because it is fun to fuck people up with Singed. You can almost hear them shitting themselves over IP when I glue them down and flip them away from their friends. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 18 2012,13:34
As far as me doing well solo or at bottom, at lest you know I am reliable to take are of top solo, even when they don't have a jungler and I got 2 assholes up there. I need help sometimes vs. 2, but I still generally get it done.I imagine a game could be lost solely because we have someone who can't hold top. Again, GORDON gets it done. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 18 2012,13:51
Well, my point was "Gordon is wasting top".I want to see more Nasus. Just because. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 18 2012,14:14
GORDON wastes top? I keep them under my turret. If mid and bottom didn't constantly need help, our jungler would have a shitload of ganking opportunities in my lane, but I rarely see our jungler. Because he is always saving mid and bottom.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 18 2012,17:40
I'm on now and have a playable ping, but no one else is on.I wont be up late, tonight. I will be up late tomorrow night because wife and kid are in Pennsylvania until Saturday. yay. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 18 2012,17:43
Teemo and nasus at bot, hecarim in the jungle, ziggs mid, and scooty top as an ad. Pantheon might work good due to his global jumpI am off Friday so I can play late Thursday night Posted by Leisher on Jul. 19 2012,09:07
Interesting games last night. Lots of rust, which is the same experience we had after our last week long break. I watched that TT with Gordo, Cake, and Scooty, and really thought you guys were going to pull out the victory. I was really impressed with Scooty's escapes with Kassadin, but not the damage he was dealing. Also, I noticed Scooty standing still for long periods of time. I figured he was typing? Now you guys couldn't see because only the spectators can see the whole map, but their Singed won that game with help from Riven. Malzahar was a non-factor and spent large portions of time just dancing in dragon spawn. I'm serious. I'm sure Gordo figured that their Singed would be awesome pre-game because not only did he have a number in his name, but that number helped to spell a number! ![]() For the next two TT games, I was Teemo, Cake was Ashe, and Stranger was Hecarim at top. First game we faced Darius, Master Yi (AP), and Kayle. Despite us giving up a lot of kills, we got the win. I got my ass kicked early on as Kayle would slow me and Darius would grab me. However around mid game, we were starting to get items and could withstand more than one hit. We scored an ace, pushed all the way to their Nexus, and retreated. They all resurrected, pushed our bot lane to the inner turret, but didn't realize that little Teemo had flash and ran all the way to their base through the jungle. With their inhibitor and middle turret down there was no defense for their nexus, and they were "mad bro" when I typed "gg'. Second game we got beat up pretty good. Ashe and Teemo met a Ezreal and Ahri who are much better early game champs. I've never been so blocked off from farm. Their abilities had too much range and damage. Meanwhile, Teemo and Ashe are easy kills early game. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 19 2012,09:08
Also, I think all 5 of us will be on tonight. I'll be shooting for 9-10 p.m.Zyra - Played her on the PBE. I think she's kind of weak. That might be why they're not releasing her. As for what she does: -I forget her passive. -Her Q puts turrets on seeds. -Her W drops seeds that are like Caitlyn's traps. -Her E is a vine that slows. -Her Q is an aoe attack that does damage and stuns. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 19 2012,13:06
(Leisher @ Jul. 19 2012,12:07) QUOTE I'm sure Gordo figured that their Singed would be awesome pre-game because not only did he have a number in his name, but that number helped to spell a number! ![]() I pointed out that exact thing pre-game. The best I could do last night was a B-. I was in a hotel, with hotel wireless internet, on my laptop with the smaller screen and uncomfortable keyboard, and my mouse hand was on my clipboard balancing on the arm of the chair I was sitting in. Did the best I could do, but Singed was building items a lot faster than I was able to. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 19 2012,16:43
And you and Scooty were feeeeeding like mad down there. I was able to hang with Singed at top, but I couldn't deny him farm. Thus, he was out farming Gordon. So, between me not denying the lane and Gordon spending too much time dead, our singed was behind their's. I don't think that cost us the game though. They were better than us. "They" being Singed and Riven. Mal was food for me. It was basically 2v3 and they still won. Their Singed lived up to the double numbered name and played a really good Singed. I wasn't watching bottom lane enough to know if there was anything that could be done down there. I can only say that what was done, failed. :-) Late game, we were getting lucky with some fights, and took really good advantage of every opening they left us. But it wasn't enough to compensate for all the other problems we were having.We either needed to put our Singed up top or bottom would have had to come up with a plan B. I never called for a switch because I was 'doing my job' or whatever. I was getting gold and XP and pacing with Singed. I saw they were failing at bottom, but we all know, trying to make suggestions when things are failing doesn't work. :-) So, I'm asking now, what might have worked down there? Scooty said he was doing a lot of damage. He was only able to use two of his abilities because the others took him too close to them. But when he used the two abilities, he would take them for half their health. I was under the impression that I was doing most of the damage to the target. But he said that he was under farmed so not doing max damage. Perhaps we were not focusing our targets and thus giving me the impression that I was doing most of the damage. Because he was attacking someone else. I just knew I couldn't attack Singed due to his thornmail. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 19 2012,16:51
I already said I had mechanical issues with my setup, and was a little laggy with the hotel wireless. I was gracious enough to quit after 2 horrible games so I would do no more harm.Plus, the two we had bottom were good at stunning and bouncing. Once they would jump on me, I couldn't move until I was dead. Soooooo... suck it. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 19 2012,18:19
See. I try to analyze a bad game to try to learn our mistakes and I'm a dick.And the first game was more Caitlyn's fault than ours. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 19 2012,18:48
(Cakedaddy @ Jul. 19 2012,21:19) QUOTE And the first game was more Caitlyn's fault than ours. When there's a feeder on the team, it is hard to recover. I was feeding. But it was still funny when, between calling me a fag, he had 8 deaths and called me a feeder when I had 9... and he stood and did nothing more than once when i got attacked and killed. Solo queue people are worse than Hitler. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 19 2012,18:50
Something I have been contemplating:Early deaths hurt us more because they accrue more interest. When one of us gets killed in the first 5 minutes, that is an early item the bad guys get before us. That item allows them to kill us more, and death begets death, and those early deaths hurt us more than the late deaths. I don't think any of us should be getting killed in the first 7 minutes, from now on. More defensive playing. Less feeding... nay, NO feeding. As a team we feed way too much, almost every game. That's how the champs do it, that's how America does it, and I think that's how we should be doing it. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 19 2012,18:52
And if a game doesn't start within about 10 minutes, I am going to bed because I am already fighting it.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 19 2012,21:40
QUOTE I will be up late tomorrow night because wife and kid are in Pennsylvania until Saturday. QUOTE I am going to bed because I am already fighting it.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 19 2012,23:42
QUOTE I try to analyze a bad game to try to learn our mistakes and I'm a dick. For the record, I don't ever get mad about it, but I don't always agree. QUOTE Solo queue people are worse than Hitler. Agreed. QUOTE I don't think any of us should be getting killed in the first 7 minutes, from now on. More defensive playing. Less feeding... nay, NO feeding. As a team we feed way too much, almost every game. We should start keeping a tally. First person to die each game owes a quarter. No other tallies because it could get insane. We went 2-2 tonight in TT. The last game I was Fiora up top against Darius. He kicked my ass, then would go bot and kick their ass. I told Cake after the game that Darius is OP. He disagreed. Here's my argument: I say this as a Trynd player who was nerfed to shit thanks to a vocal community. So it pissed me off to see Darius running around untouched. He's an AD carry, right? Name another AD carry with a burst of true damage that instantly refreshes. You can't. Now name another AD carry that can tank like he can. Jax and Garen. So let's compare him to Jax and Garen. Jax takes a while to build, and is a late game champ. Has no burst, and his dodge lasts 1.5 seconds. That leaves Garen. Both have spins. Both have a burst ult. However, Darius also poisons. He also has a grab that brings ALL enemies in to him. Oh, and Darius' ult instantly refreshes on kills. So instead of just complaining, I think Darius' abilities need to use more mana. Also, I think they should dump the true damage and replace it with physical or magic. Magic might be better, as it's like Garen's, and it wouldn't allow his opponents to stack armor, particularly thornmail. And in a nod to Cake, I've faced Darius a few times now with Fiora, and it just doesn't work. She's a duelist, and can hang until he hits the burst. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 19 2012,23:42
Oh, and my client crashed tonight, and now my record is 2-2.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 19 2012,23:58
Leisher was mad, bro. RAGING in voice about OP Darious!There are some champs that just can't fight other champs. Or, you have to figure out a new way to fight them. I've gone against Darious top before. He's definitely one of the harder champs, but not impossible. But, I'm Noc. I have a spell shield that can block his ult, his grab, etc. For a while, I thought Fiora was OP. I could NOT lane against her. Then I learned how to and she's not that bad any more. Last night, I laned against a Singed for the first time ever. He won the lane and then the game. But, I learned a lot and would do better next game. Not going to call him OP because he can flip, run faster than me, slow me all while poisoning me. I couldn't do anything against him. But, I was harassing the shit out of Singed tonight as Ziggs. Point is, he might have some CRAZY abilities. But I don't equate that to being OP. You say he's tanky, but I just see a lot of hit points. He loses health really fast. Focus him, and he dies before his ult/grab can really be effective. We will learn to use Poppy's wall pin smash thing better and shut him down before he can do anything. 1v1, yes, Darious will beat most champs. But not all of them. A squishy carry? Every time. I'm too tired to think of someone that can kill him. In my opinion, Trynd is still the most OP champ. You let him farm (either early or late or whenever), he will win. Yes, he's easier to shut down early game now. But, if you can keep the game running long enough, he will win. You can't stop him. He is still my most feared champion. Late game, Darious can be bursted and shut down. Our biggest problem was that I could NOT land my ult. He dodged no fewer than 8 ults that would have killed him. 8 different fights, eight different escapes by Darious. I was off, he was good. That was our undoing in my opinion. When you are Teemo, and you see Darious, you ask for his lane. So, again, crazy abilities: Yes. OP? Not in my opinion. If he can be killed and controlled like any other champ, then he's not OP. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2012,07:00
(Cakedaddy @ Jul. 20 2012,00:40) QUOTE QUOTE I will be up late tomorrow night because wife and kid are in Pennsylvania until Saturday. QUOTE I am going to bed because I am already fighting it. Don't know why I was so tired last night, just was. Fell asleep within 15 minutes of logging out while you were trying to fix your shit. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2012,07:03
(Leisher @ Jul. 20 2012,02:42) QUOTE QUOTE I don't think any of us should be getting killed in the first 7 minutes, from now on. More defensive playing. Less feeding... nay, NO feeding. As a team we feed way too much, almost every game. We should start keeping a tally. First person to die each game owes a quarter. No other tallies because it could get insane. I don't even know what to do about it. We KNOW that when we watch the tourny vids, no one dies within the first 10-15 minutes, and we KNOW that in at least half the games we play, they have twice as many kills as us by mid-late game. Fortunately, we are a late-game team... but if we could apply our late-game excellence to our early and mid game, that would be us in the "televised" tournaments. Posted by Stranger on Jul. 20 2012,13:30
anyone gonna be on tonight?
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2012,14:21
Planning on it.I had a nap. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2012,15:21
Was listening to a German techno radio station today and they kept saying, "blah blah blah LEAGUE OF LEGENDS blah blah blah germantalk."Wonder what they were saying. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 20 2012,15:48
I have come to the conclusion that EVERYONE is too aggressive. Scooty and I were talking about last night's games. He said "Leisher is an insane Teemo. Hyper aggressive.". I have noticed Leisher's aggression as well. He doesn't see it. Early game, I harass and farm. When I die, or score a kill, it's because the enemy does something I didn't expect. I don't actively try to kill early game. It's what gets you killed.I have said before that I think it would be a good exercise to try to win a game without scoring any kills. Self defense only. If they come in and attack, fight back. When they pull back, you let them go. Once the threat is eliminated, you yield. Yes, it would be very difficult to win. But I don't think impossible. We've won lots of games when the kill score was WAY in their favor. But, it would be a discipline exercise. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2012,16:28
I typically only initiate a flip when they cross an imaginary line in my head that says, "That guy has pushed too far," and then it is typically just to harass, especially when I am solo top. If I keep them nervous then they sometimes start thinking defensively and that keeps me alive in a 2v1 lane situation. But yes, we are too aggressive overall, I agree. That is how we end up giving up 10 deaths in 10 minutes. We MUST be quicker to change things up if someone is going to be getting owned solo top in a TT, too. Like, immediately. If we need to put 2 guys up top, we need to do that, I think, and let bottom go defensive 1v2. I do it all the time in SR, it isn't impossible, or even incredibly difficult. If it keeps the enemy solo top from getting fed, then it will save us the game. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2012,16:36
Ha, Darius is currently disabled due to a "gameplay bug."Also, launch LOL now so there are no surprise patching when everyone is ready to play tonight. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2012,17:06
(Cakedaddy @ Jul. 20 2012,18:48) QUOTE I have said before that I think it would be a good exercise to try to win a game without scoring any kills. Is this feasible? A lot of times the only way we are able to push a turret is is we kill some percentage of their team and they can't defend. If we are trying to hit a turret and disengage whenever one of us comes on our screen, will we ever get anything done? Posted by Leisher on Jul. 20 2012,17:36
QUOTE I have come to the conclusion that EVERYONE is too aggressive. Scooty and I were talking about last night's games. He said "Leisher is an insane Teemo. Hyper aggressive.". I have noticed Leisher's aggression as well. He doesn't see it. Early game, I harass and farm. When I die, or score a kill, it's because the enemy does something I didn't expect. I don't actively try to kill early game. It's what gets you killed. You are both insane. It's odd to be told I'm too aggressive by someone who the whole team says is ultra aggressive while he thinks he's uber conservative, and a guy who lives under his turret on SR. I do just fine on TT with Singed in my lane, meanwhile our top seems to feed every game. ![]() I harass and farm. I don't go for kills. I don't know how else to spell that out for you two. The only time I go for kills is if Singed tells me he's going to flip someone. Of course, that's him speaking to me, which my other two lane partners didn't do... What I think you don't understand is that Teemo has no health, can't run fast, and the enemy ALWAYS targets him. That's not Scooty hyperbole, that's fact. Ask Gordo. Teemo is an easy kill, so they always run past Singed to get to me. Seriously, what EXACTLY do you expect me to do in game? How far back from the farm should I be standing? When you have an ultra short range you're kind of forced to move close to the action. This post might read "angry", but it's not, it's frustration. I don't know how to fix "you're too aggressive". Particularly when me being aggressive apparently means I'm hiding behind turrets and getting no farm. 1. I don't go for kills unless Singed tells me to. 2. I stay behind the second row of minions, always. 3. I shoot enemies with blind to harass. How is that aggressive? And since we're doing criticism, what's the deal with Scooty's champ selections? Poopy, Warwick, Caitlyn, etc. Is the goal to use an unpopular champion, build them the opposite of what they're intended to be, and impress everyone? QUOTE Wonder what they were saying. They were talking about how Darius is OP. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 20 2012,17:37
By the way, I'm heading out to get food. I'll eat, shower, and then I'll be on. I'm going to be uber conservative tonight for Cake. Let's see how it works out. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2012,17:53
When I lane with Teemo, it is not my impression that he is overly aggressive.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 20 2012,19:26
When I laned with Teemo, he would run past me shooting at the enemies. I would then follow to hit them too. I would sit back and try to steal last hits. Not in an attempt to be a dick. It seemed like we were both doing it and therefor, pretty much sharing them equally. We'd just talk a bit a smack while doing it. Anyway, I'd be timing my shots when all of the sudden, Teemo is blasting past me to shoot the bad guys. We would push our minions all the way to their turret making us susceptible to a jungle gank.So, in my observations, he'd chase the enemy back a lot. Plus, he'd auto attack the minions non stop so that we were pushing them to their turret. Someone REALLY needs to start recording these games. :-) All that being said. . . I don't have a problem with any of it. You play the best Teemo you can and I trust you. We win more than we lose, etc. It's all good. But as an observer, it seems like you are aggressive. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 20 2012,19:28
Oh, and yes. He absolutely picks off the wall champs and then builds them weird, convinced that he will be able to create the new OP champ because everyone else was building and playing them wrong. He doesn't want to play the same champs the same way everyone else does. He will deny that he does this. But, that is my observation.I observe a lot. Oh, and when it doesn't work out, right away, he moves on to the next one that he's SURE will actually work. Playing with Scooty is like playing with a random fifth who happens to be in our voice chat. You never know what you are going to get from him. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 20 2012,19:33
Yes, I believe it is feasible. Efficient? Of course not. Through split pushing and guerrilla tactics, I think it can be done. Spend the whole game defending our turrets, and attacking where they are not. Which really, isn't all that different from how we play when the other team is dominating us. We just do it right from the beginning and to more of an extreme.I think the most epic of games will be the one we win where we score NO kills. It will most likely also be the longest game we ever play. But, it will be most epic. I bet it's never been done. A turret diving Trynd, an extra tank and lots of CC. Wards everywhere would be a must. The hardest part would be the end where they are playing defense and we are trying to kill nexus turrets without killing them. We would have to use deception and tactics the whole game. Let them push our nexus while we back door them. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2012,19:41
(Cakedaddy @ Jul. 20 2012,22:33) QUOTE Yes, I believe it is feasible. Efficient? Of course not. Through split pushing and guerrilla tactics, I think it can be done. Spend the whole game defending our turrets, and attacking where they are not. Which really, isn't all that different from how we play when the other team is dominating us. We just do it right from the beginning and to more of an extreme. I think the most epic of games will be the one we win where we score NO kills. It will most likely also be the longest game we ever play. But, it will be most epic. I bet it's never been done. A turret diving Trynd, an extra tank and lots of CC. Wards everywhere would be a must. The hardest part would be the end where they are playing defense and we are trying to kill nexus turrets without killing them. We would have to use deception and tactics the whole game. Let them push our nexus while we back door them. 2-3 tanks, 2-3 AD characters for chopping down turrets fast? Skip the AP? Posted by Leisher on Jul. 20 2012,19:51
QUOTE When I laned with Teemo, he would run past me shooting at the enemies. I would then follow to hit them too. I would sit back and try to steal last hits. Not in an attempt to be a dick. It seemed like we were both doing it and therefor, pretty much sharing them equally. We'd just talk a bit a smack while doing it. Anyway, I'd be timing my shots when all of the sudden, Teemo is blasting past me to shoot the bad guys. We would push our minions all the way to their turret making us susceptible to a jungle gank. So, in my observations, he'd chase the enemy back a lot. Plus, he'd auto attack the minions non stop so that we were pushing them to their turret. Someone REALLY needs to start recording these games. :-) All that being said. . . I don't have a problem with any of it. You play the best Teemo you can and I trust you. We win more than we lose, etc. It's all good. But as an observer, it seems like you are aggressive. In that first paragraph, I think it's more us not laning together often. You're misreading my intentions. There was an SR we played recently with a Jarvin up top against me solo top as Teemo. I'd constantly hit him with a blind or a poison dart then fall back. He kept having to leave the lane to go heal up. I did something similar to that Darius I faced in the same situation. That's what I'm doing. Gordo knows this and just sits in the weeds watching. Usually, it's never a problem, but some champs can grab or flash, that's when Singed evens the score. He runs out, then run back, he flips, and I'm on them. With Ashe, it's not the same. Next time I'll stop harassing, and just stay back. The auto attack thing is tough. Teemo has a short attack range and I build him for AS. If I stop for a second, he shoots. I don't like constantly moving no matter what because it can be dangerous both in how you move, if you get too close to your lane partner, and it can distract. Still, I'll work on that. QUOTE Playing with Scooty is like playing with a random fifth who happens to be in our voice chat. You never know what you are going to get from him. I've NEVER seen an awesome Poppy. Never. Good Warwicks are rare. It's great he'll know how to play various champs in ranked, and they'll never get banned or picked, but I wish he would find a character with a decent kit. QUOTE Yes, I believe it is feasible. I do agree it's possible. However, it'd be damn near impossible. You'd have to go out of your way to avoid kills. P.S. I'm watching a ranked game with Darius. He's ridiculously owning. Champs have him down to nothing and have to run because they're under half health. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2012,20:08
(Leisher @ Jul. 20 2012,22:51) QUOTE QUOTE Yes, I believe it is feasible. I do agree it's possible. However, it'd be damn near impossible. You'd have to go out of your way to avoid kills. We'd need at least 2 AD peeps who can kill turrets fast, everyone needs teleport for moving across the map fast, and we'd need to fill out with tanks that have some sort of stun move to stop assholes in their tracks so we can get away. Tanks eschew damage dealing stuff. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 21 2012,00:56
Don't stop harassing. That would be dumb. My biggest complaint would be the pushing of the minions. I'm always moving no matter what to avoid enemy skill shots. It also makes not over pushing the minions easier.Agreed that we'd have to skip the AP champ and I like the teleport idea. Teleport and ghost? A tank and a carry teleport on the enemy turret. Suicide it to kill it, if need be. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 21 2012,01:01
Oh, as far as Scooty champ picks.I think if he sticks with a champ, learns a good build, and we learn to take advantage of the champ, that any champ would be just as good as any other. I liked Poppy sticking enemies to the wall. That worked well. She has some good escape ability as well. Biggest problem, Scooty's delusions of grandeur. No mater what champ he plays, on his screen, he's insta popping enemies with two abilities and a few auto attacks. "My Q takes them to half health, then my W knocks them down another half. My auto attack finishes them." I've NEVER seen Scooty hit someone that hard. But, he swears he does. He was winning some 1v1 fights the other night. He said he was winning some 1v2 (but winning might be scoring a kill even though he dies too). I know he was scoring solo kills, but I don't know the chain of events and damage amounts. But, anyway, I do think that every champ has something to offer and we all have to learn the best ways to take advantage of them. Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 23 2012,06:00
(GORDON @ Jul. 20 2012,22:08) QUOTE We'd need at least 2 AD peeps who can kill turrets fast... You want fast turret kills you just need one guy on a champion like Jax, with a build focused on attack speed and just a sprinkling of damage, and teleport. The first few levels of play are just laning like usual, but when it's time to start the push this player avoids champion fights and just moves to whichever lane is unoccupied at the time. The right build can take a full wave of minions and push a lane to and through the next tower in 20 to 30 seconds, leaving no time for the enemy to react. Especially if they were busy in a 5v4 fight in mid at the time. And then leave. Go to another unoccupied lane and do it again. Except sometimes you don't leave and keep pushing the same one just to screw with them. The more time they spend running back and forth reacting to this annoying pusher the more likely you are to win. It's how my crappy group keeps winning even against much better teams. They keep them busy while I chew up towers. At first they ignore me, and then they overract for awhile instead and everyone else pushes while I die, and by the time they start to get their shit back together it's usually too late because we are tearing up their base. QUOTE I think the most epic of games will be the one we win where we score NO kills. It will most likely also be the longest game we ever play. But, it will be most epic. I bet it's never been done. When we play a good team, we come close. Often it'll be something like 26/5 against us, but we still have the win. And it's not always that long, if the team was particularly focused on ganking. So many LoL players have no concept of strategy and tactics beyond their own tiny little gank fest. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 23 2012,07:31
We played two good TT matches last night. Each game had me and Gordo at bot as Teemo and Singed, with Stranger up top as Hecarim. The first game was a pretty even battle, but we pulled it out. Can't remember who the enemy team was though... Second game was against Skarner (top), Volibear and Nunu. I figured we'd have trouble with them, and we did for about 4 minutes. After that, we'd focus fire and it was a rout. Only their minions ever touched our turrets. By the way, everyone's win-loss records are messed up now. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 23 2012,09:13
< Reform cards. >If you get banned, you will now see why. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 27 2012,05:36
Going to do my best to stay up late tonight and play. Would be helpful if other peeps were available prior to 10:30 pm. If i have to wait i just sit there getting tired.Been a strenuous week with early mornings. The odds are against me. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 27 2012,05:38
I am out tonight. I should be good to go for Saturday. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 27 2012,05:46
I am going out saturday because i am very popular and have many, many people who want to hang out with me.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 27 2012,05:47
I guess this weekend is out. Perhaps someday we'll actually get to play LoL again. Maybe even with a 5 man team!?
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 27 2012,05:51
I am sure cake, stranger and i will have many, many wonderful victories tonight.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 27 2012,07:11
Good luck with that.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 27 2012,07:21
< Diana >I'm starting to see a pattern here: -Darius has an ult with no cooldown if it kills someone. -Jayce has his ult as soon as the game starts. And now because the ult with no cooldown was such a popular choice with Darius, they've created another champ who can have no cooldown on her ult. They should just do away with cooldowns, and the whole game can be about who mashes buttons faster. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 27 2012,13:44
Just did a 1v5 as MF. I had random AI, not the ones used so much previously in this thread. I went 3-0 and won in 14:06. Not sure how that time works though as I watched the timer hit 14:00 exactly when I blew up the nexus. With the new AI, I think 14:00 might be my 4 minute mile. I think one night we should do a 5v5 custom game and all five of us go mid. Everyone take Teleport and Heal...or Promote? Could we beat it in less than 5 minutes? Heal would give us more sustain, but Promote gives you a TON of extra time under turrets. All 5 players with Promote means we'd be able to Promote every wave with that tank minion thing. We could further boost our odds with all AS runes, and champs with AS boosts like MF and GP. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 27 2012,21:46
Riot has confirmed on their forums that they're working on Darius' ult. No indication if it's a buff or nerf.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 27 2012,21:50
Cake and I jumped into 5v5's, since if we took a random 3rd in TT he would be worse than hitler.Won one, lost one. We ended on the high note. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 28 2012,18:02
Thinking i will be on midnightish. Everyone be waiting.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 29 2012,13:10
Diana is a pretty bad ass melee fighter only with AP instead of AD. I think most folks are talking about her out of the jungle or at top. I played one game with her, and she's pretty cool. Picture using an AD carry, only with the ability to burst AP damage. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 29 2012,22:00
Even though I think we are all playing like Champs and deserve trophies, should we change something so we can start winning? I've got nothing to offer. . . does anyone else?
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 29 2012,22:12
I have some thoughts but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 29 2012,22:29
That does happen here. I guess we just keep playing like the champs that we are?
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 29 2012,23:31
I do fine when I am soloing top. Not feeding, and holding the lane. It is when I leave to help other people that I get f'd in the a.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 30 2012,07:14
When I am solo top, early game I am focused hard on not feeding, and last-hitting minions. I sort-of hear chatter happening on the rest of the board, but I usually don't respond because there isn't anything I can do about it, EARLY GAME. Until level 7 or so I am up top getting the job done. I usually don'[t even notice the jungler coming for a gank unless he says something in voice, or targets the guy in my lane. That gets my attention.If someone is facing "OP Morgana" mid and is getting owned and needs to switch, someone has to make the call. I am not paying attention. Both games we played last night, by the time I was leveled up top and moving out to roam and help other lanes, I was facing already super-fed assholes and I couldn't do much about it. ++++ Also in that last game they had wards EVERYWHERE, and I mean everywhere. I saw them placing like mad. But, you may have noticed I was not getting any kills, so I couldn't afford to buy nice shit like pink-eye. ++++++ On another note, I don't suppose the people who typically feed a lot ever use defensive runes and masteries, do they. That isn't a question, I know you don't. I have nothing to add to the "how do we feed less?" discussion when my advice is ignored. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 30 2012,08:52
Ok, I'll give this a go, and I'm not looking to hurt feelings. I'm just being honest about what I've been seeing, and what I'm hearing. 1. We need a team of 5 - End of story. Random 5ths aren't just worse than Hitler, they're the greatest evil the universe has ever known. The devil refuses to play with strangers in LoL because he's afraid of their level of evil. I would vote for Obama if he was running against a random 5th. It also wouldn't hurt to have more regular backups. I'd be happy to post something on the LoL forums if we wanted to find another player that way. (Cake do you have a "Cavern" on your friend list?) 2. Runes, Masteries, and Builds - Everyone needs to recheck all of their builds and setups. You'll all ignore this, but I'm telling you that things in the game have changed a bit, and these need to be reexamined. Anyone notice that the teams steamrolling us are almost exclusively AP? I have. I'm planning to dump my all AS runes for more magic resist. It can't hurt to give it a look. I know I'll be researching my champs to ensure I'm using the best builds I can find. 3. Champ Select & Team Comp - I want to break this down by peep... -Me - I apologize for the switch to Vayne, but I needed to change things up. Fiora is only good out of the jungle, Teemo isn't AD (and I've been forced into not choosing him lately due to a need for AD), etc. So I grabbed Vayne who seems to be played a lot. Thus I know she's viable. I think MF is a one trick pony, and that's mid. In other lanes, she has no real defense or escape. She can be overwhelmed. I'll probably keep buying AD carries, and possibly Linda. -Gordo - As Singed, you the man. However, I do agree with Cake that you need to switch things up here and there so we're not screwed in ranked games if Singed is banned or taken. -Cake - I think Veigar is broken, and while your Jiggs is fine, you're probably a bit bored. I wouldn't mind seeing you Noc from the jungles again or switch up your AP mid. Linda might be a real option for you out of the jungle. -Stranger - I realize you needed a break from support/tank, but we've been losing since you left that role. If I remember correctly, you moving into the role the first time was when we started winning the majority of our games. I'm not saying we haven't had some success with your jungling previously or wouldn't in the future. Just pointing out the facts right now. -Scooty - I think Scooty needs to be our utility guy. He needs to fit whatever role is left over, making us happy. Meanwhile, he'll then get to play a variety of champions making him happy. The key to that is WE need to assign him that role in champ select. I think he should be the last person taking a champ every game. 4. Let them go. We need to stop chasing. We also need to let our over aggressive players die alone. Whether that's me or Scooty or someone solo pushing. It is what it is. Give the enemy that kill, but not two. 5. Stop feeding - We are dying way, way, way, way, way too much early game. I attribute this to just about everything possible. We could go on for days about it. When you're losing in kills by 20 and it's 20 minutes into the game, that's a HUGE advantage for our opponent. (In the game with the awesome Teemo, at one point he had a full build and was five levels ahead of me while I had shoes and a bloodthirster.) How do we fix this? I don't know. I was at bot with Scooty and Stranger this weekend, and both times we were playing really close to our turrent, yet we were still getting killed. I think there's a huge familiarity issue at work because I just don't lane with them a lot, and I think Stranger was a bit rusty with Naut, while I was learning Vayne. In contrast, if I lane with Gordo, we can live in front of the enemy turret, and don't feed. I still believe we should start keeping track of our first death. If it's you, you owe 25 cents to a pool. Maybe that will slow us down a bit? Another thing that might help is to point out what the trade was in kills all the time. For example, "Ok, you chased him down and got the kill, but you died doing it, and I got killed because I chased with you, and our teammate who tried to save me got killed. So that one kill cost us three deaths." Maybe if we put things into perspective it'll help us keep our bloodlust in check? 6. Familiarity - This is more of a question for discussion... Are we doing things wrong by switching roles constantly? Do pros do this? Should we all have assigned roles, and stick to them, only switching the champs we play? Stranger and I got our butts kicked by a Vayne and Poppy working together smoothly. When I was Vayne and had Poppy with me, we were against our turret the hole time and got our asses kicked by a Lulu/Teemo combo... 7. Wards - Where did the wards go? All of a sudden nobody is buying them anymore. Scooty and I laned at bot this weekend, and Amumu came in a few times from those weeds to get kills. Finally, I told Scooty I was buying a ward for those bushes. (The carry is buying the wards...) He didn't take the hint, and still never bought any wards. Is our jungler buying Wriggle's Lantern and placing that free ward? 8. Split pushing - Take those opportunities as they come, but I do think at times it hurts us. Mainly against well organized teams. I think we need to be a bit sneakier about it too. Don't blatantly advertise your push. Pull back when the enemy is missing. I think I want to do more of this as Teemo because he can go invisible if they come his way, they'll think he recalled, and I'll be there right away again to push if they leave without having to fight back or use teleport. Also, if three can hold mid (where they always push) I think one person can push bot, and the other top. The enemy will have to react. If they go one way, the other pushes, and vice versa. If they split to attack both, and few teams will send just one person, then the three covering mid can push... 9. Communicate - We aren't talking much these days. We need to chat more. We need to be more positive (I know I'm a huge offender here.), and we need to explain what's up without being snarky. -If you need the farm, say so. -If someone is pushing incorrectly, explain why. -If it's time to leave, call it out, and everybody LEAVE. -Remind folks to ward. -Call for help -Call off help if the situation is hopeless -Etc. 10. Teamwork - We haven't had much lately. Examples from last night: -Stranger and I got help from Hecarim and pushed our lane forward. Hec left, and I told Stranger it felt wrong, let's pull back. He kept going forward, and I stuck around to cover him. All of a sudden we were outnumbered and surrounded. (Not picking on you Stranger, we've ALL done that. I just remember this from last night.) -Hec and Jiggs came bot to help out and left without a word. I thought they were still there and was standing just at the turn below the turret. I got insta popped by three enemies. This was 2-3 seconds after you both walked away. Had I known you both pulled out, I would have stepped back into turret range. -Jayce, me, and...1-2 teammates waited to ambush a group of enemies heading to dragon. they didn't come as quick as we thought and our teammates walked into mid. Jayce exited his weeds to the left of dragon, and all of a sudden three enemies walked out of the darkness at dragon. I was trapped, invis right in front of dragon. I talked about my predicament, and nobody came to help. Jayce turned around and shot his no damage shot from long distance. Whoopie. -Later in that same game, Jayce and I were just south of enemy blue and encountered one enemy. The rest of our team was mid. It soon turned into a 3v2 as the enemy got help. Nobody on our team moved, and we were literally just below you. Jayce and I died, mid kept pushing, and the three we fought came up behind you three joining their two in front of you. Ace. Had even one of the guys in mid come down, the fight would have been turned as we had them all pretty low. -Meanwhile on the other side, we faced teams that were traveling in packs, would gank in numbers, came immediately to fights, etc. We used to do that. Where'd all that go? -And what's with our focusing targets lately? Nobody is calling out targets, and we faced a Teemo who didn't die until late in the game. When I'm Teemo, who does the enemy team focus? ME. So why is it when we face a Teemo, we're not focusing him? Point being, we need to get back on the same page. Right now we're off it. There was a moment last night when I said, "I should screenshot this." I was dead, and I was watching the minimap. The icons for the purple players were all in mid around where their first turret would be. Meanwhile, the blue icons were scattered around the map. Nobody was near anyone else. We had a moment of our old selves show up after Hitler left the game last night. We solidified our defense, started talking, started focusing, etc. It was too late, but the point was, we can do it, we're just...not. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 30 2012,09:17
Cake keeps doing that always-cute, and never-gets-old "we are all champions" schtick, but let me say this: no one person should be in charge. I mentioned before how I get tunnel vision early game when I am top, and just focus on holding my lane, but hey... if the person in mid says to me, "We need to switch now," then I will do it, immediately, without question. If the jungler tells me he needs me to take over the jungle, I assume he has a damned good reason and I will do it immediately, without question. I assume the other person knows something I don't, and it is not the time to argue. (Does not apply when a Hitler makes the call, unless they have already proven themselves competent.) By the same token, if I make a call in-game, I would like it to be done immediately, without question. ++++ Split laning: usually that works with me with Singed, since he is fast and can clear a minion wave fast, but last night it wasn't working because they had wards everywhere and I was getting jumped by 5 peeps within 5 seconds of teleporting into a lane to push. When y'all see that something I usually do isn't working, speak up. I don't always figure things out as fast as I should when I am used to a routine way of doing things. +++++ And finally, I believe my defensive mastery set keeps me alive, solo-top. Even against the organized team I was surviving the top-ganks over and over. As I said before, it was only when I left top and encountered the super-fed assholes that they started dropping me. ++++++ I want a prize for being the person who has been saying for about 6 months that we feed way too much, because it keeps being true, as far as I can tell. Posted by Stranger on Jul. 30 2012,09:22
im a little confused.. First off i didn't play last night, and i have been playing hecarim a bit latley so im not sure how we could have gotten help from Hecarim when i usually am him and wasn't even playing in the first place. HAHA!and who is Linda? and Jiggs? (Ziggs) And i would have to agree with the rune and mastery setups. I don't think an all attack speed rune page is a good idea at all. Maybe for certain champs it works, but on an AP or a support, NO WAY.. As far as going defense masteries, i would say only tanky DPS and some jungles should do this. Personally i almost always go 9-21-0 and spec into the defense tree cause of the rolls i usually play. But if your job is to AD carry or AP then you need to do damage! i don't think defense should be put on damage dealers. Not a lot that is. 21-9-0 or 21-0-9 is pretty much standard. If you want less damage put on you and your an AD or AP carry, then you need to position yourself better. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 30 2012,09:25
QUOTE no one person should be in charge. Word. QUOTE When y'all see that something I usually do isn't working, speak up. I did during last night's game, but was ignored. To be fair, our whole team's communication was in the toilet at that point. QUOTE And finally, I believe my defensive mastery set keeps me alive, solo-top As the carry, I simply cannot drop the offensive masteries for all defense. There's just WAY too much damage I'd be giving up. However, I'm going to adjust all of my runes. I think having less AS will help force me to work on last hits more, and play more cautiously. QUOTE I want a prize for being the person who has been saying for about 6 months that we feed way too much, because it keeps being true, as far as I can tell. We've all been saying it, we just have refused to do anything about it. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 30 2012,09:32
QUOTE im a little confused.. First off i didn't play last night, and i have been playing hecarim a bit latley so im not sure how we could have gotten help from Hecarim when i usually am him and wasn't even playing in the first place. HAHA! Hitler (random 5ths) played Hecarim last night. If I mentioned you for "last night", I was talking about Saturday. QUOTE and who is Linda? and Jiggs? (Ziggs) New champ. AP Melee. Jiggs is Cake's character that he always takes to mid. I don't know who "Ziggs" is... QUOTE I don't think an all attack speed rune page is a good idea at all. Maybe for certain champs it works, but on an AP or a support, NO WAY.. I'm not support. I'm the carry. It works GREAT on AP Teemo because it allows me to stand toe to toe with a LOT of champions and do more damage than they can in the same time frame. Not so great on Vayne or MF or Fiora. QUOTE As far as going defense masteries, i would say only tanky DPS and some jungles should do this. Personally i almost always go 9-21-0 and spec into the defense tree cause of the rolls i usually play. But if your job is to AD carry or AP then you need to do damage! i don't think defense should be put on damage dealers. Not a lot that is. 21-9-0 or 21-0-9 is pretty much standard. If you want less damage put on you and your an AD or AP carry, then you need to position yourself better. I don't even think you should have 9 in offense as a tank/support. Just my opinion, I could be wrong, but if you're not there to kill, why have any in offense at all? I think you could use those better in the utility and earn more gold so you don't have to take minions from your carry. Posted by Stranger on Jul. 30 2012,09:54
New champs name is Diana..I put 9 in offense when im in the Jungle, helps with clearing and jungler needs to do some damage too. But i do go 0-21-9 with some junglers like skarner or udyr who need the extra mana from utility tree. But i go 0-9-21 when i support all the time. Incase you think 0-9-21 isn't a good idea, there are many reasons its good. First off with no farm i put points in the utility tree that give me extra gold per 10, extra experiance gain. I also use 3 of the gold per 10 quints. and my first two items i buy are philo stone and heart of gold. So with all of that im earning 15 gold every 10 seconds without killing anything. There are counters on those items that show how much gold you have accumulated over time and with just those two items and i easily earn 2k+ gold every game, really helps in them long games. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 30 2012,10:00
QUOTE New champs name is Diana.. Eh, same thing. Both are names from the 60s/70s. QUOTE I put 9 in offense when im in the Jungle, helps with clearing and jungler needs to do some damage too. But i do go 0-21-9 with some junglers like skarner or udyr who need the extra mana from utility tree. But i go 0-9-21 when i support all the time. Incase you think 0-9-21 isn't a good idea, there are many reasons its good. First off with no farm i put points in the utility tree that give me extra gold per 10, extra experiance gain. I also use 3 of the gold per 10 quints. and my first two items i buy are philo stone and heart of gold. So with all of that im earning 15 gold every 10 seconds without killing anything. There are counters on those items that show how much gold you have accumulated over time and with just those two items and i easily earn 2k+ gold every game, really helps in them long games. Reexamine it all. Would you do better with a few more points in defense, and get the same gold from your carry giving up an entire wave of minions to you? Let's say you got 20 gp per minion, that's 120 gp plus 30 more if the tank is in that wave. That's all in about 15 seconds too. How long does it take for the masteries to give you that much gold? I've been doing a bit of reading on runes, and I'm seeing that a lot of peeps do defensive runes so that they stay alive early game. That's not a problem for us... ![]() Posted by Stranger on Jul. 30 2012,10:18
AD carry should get ALL the minions. Watch any pro stream. Watch bottom lane. See how many minions the supports kills.. ZERO! watch how good they are and how many last hits they get on minions. Supports either initiate an attack or give sustain to the AD, you will never see a good support kill minions unless the AD is dead and the wave is pushed up against the tower. Also the AD doesn't just hack away at the minions and push the wave opening up for a nice gank from the jungle. Its much more usefull to have a well fed AD carry than splitting farm with the support. The earlier the AD can get those bloodthirsters and Infinity edge's is worth way more to the team than anything the support is gonna get. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 30 2012,11:56
I get what you're saying, I really do, but I have a few things to point out. Don't get mad!!!QUOTE AD carry should get ALL the minions. Remove the "AD" part of that. Diana is an AD carry that happens to use AP. I would say Teemo is a carry as well considering the number of kills he gets. QUOTE Watch any pro stream. Watch bottom lane. See how many minions the supports kills.. ZERO! When I lane with Gordo, he'll pop out and grab some last hits, and I purposely avoid hitting that minion so he can. He's not building full support, so we have to share. He lets me get most of the kills, but sometimes I'll back off and he hits entire waves. We supplement our income with champion and turret kills. As for you, can I start calling you out when you ks minions? It has been known to happen... ![]() QUOTE Also the AD doesn't just hack away at the minions and push the wave opening up for a nice gank from the jungle. I think this depends on the situation. Sometimes you don't need ganks. Sometimes you can shove your opponents into their tower and make them play off their heels. Trust me, I played from under my turret with my lane partner all weekend. It worked out really well for the other teams. Also, since I have your attention, I want to point out what Gordo meant in that TT game when he was telling you to let the minions come into base... You said, "Why let the other minions kill them and nobody get gold?" However, that's not what happens. The enemy was spawning super minions at that point, and they will easily kill our minions and enter our base. It's easier to kill them in our base where it's safe, than to be far out and unprotected. At that point in the game, if you're on defense, you want the minions' "front line" to happen within your base's walls, not outside of it. And that is what he meant by, "Let those minions into our base." It's also why we sometimes let a team kill our inhibitor. A dead inhibitor means lots of cash and experience closer to us... Posted by GORDON on Jul. 30 2012,12:33
Leisher mentioned he gave me advice, and was ignored.... hand to dog, i have no memory of that. Next time make sure i am paying attention.Do i talk too much in-game? It seems like i am constantly calling out when and where i see bad guys. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 30 2012,12:50
As far as i can tell, masteries ONLY make a difference in the early game. You get 3-5 points of extra damage or armor or whatever, and early game that could make a 10%difference in your game. Once you start buying items giving 90 Ap or 100 armor, those few points make no diffrrence.I say all the time we are a late-game team, and just need to stop dying so much early game. Defensive masteries help in that cause. Posted by Stranger on Jul. 30 2012,13:07
really, im not getting mad at all. im just trying to get a point across. i happen to watch ALOT of the top players in the world stream. (And im not talking about the streams that they put on the game when you log in) They always talk about their builds, rolls, strategies and all sorts of others things. Now i know that im not even close to being pro, but i do like to think that i have learned alot about certain rolls and common game play that is routine in ranked play. Now im not saying that we haven't had some good success in bottom lane when you push the other team up against thier tower and make them lose cs in that way. But when its pretty obvious that our early game is easily our weakness maybe we should only concentrate on last hitting minions and not engaging the enemy. Let them push forward and then its easy for the jungle to gank. Now we've got a 3v2 situation that should (hopefully) go in our favor. The same goes for top and mid. i know the other night when i was jungling i would just keep going top cause Gordo was doing well keeping his health up, getting good cs and not pushing too far out and it made for easy ganks. Not always kills, but burnt flashes and making them recall to heal was worth it. Then it was easy to push the lane hard. Its just not ideal for the jungle to just baby sit the lane until someone else gets back from healing up. we should be trying to set up situations that give us an advantage and let the jungle do what they are supposed to do. I know i don't have all the answers, but if our early game is what is putting us behind then i think that we should just concentrate on getting farm for the first 20 mins. Lets not push lanes untill we can set the other team up for a situation to our liking, hopefully get a succesful gank and then push the lane. Wash, rinse and repeat. Thats just how i see succesful teams do it when i spectate. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 30 2012,13:15
QUOTE Leisher mentioned he gave me advice, and was ignored.... hand to dog, i have no memory of that. Next time make sure i am paying attention. Yeah, I mentioned it as we were defending mid, you were up pushing, and Hitler was nowhere to be found. No worries. (btw, "Hitler" is never getting old. You should get a trophy for that.) QUOTE Do i talk too much in-game? It seems like i am constantly calling out when and where i see bad guys. Nope. Heavy sighing is not talking. ![]() On SR, Scooty is the silent one. He needs to talk a lot more. Everyone else is a good mix. I think it's important to call out who we see and where as it helps folks who might be busy, and can't glance at the minimap. After all, wards only work if you're looking. I like hearing constant chatter, but lately it's been silence or sarcasm. QUOTE As far as i can tell, masteries ONLY make a difference in the early game. You get 3-5 points of extra damage or armor or whatever, and early game that could make a 10%difference in your game. Once you start buying items giving 90 Ap or 100 armor, those few points make no diffrrence. True for the lower level ones, yes. However, there's a few that are quite large. The final Offensive mastery is a boost to attacks by 6% against targets under 40%. The final defensive one is a max health boost by 3%, and all stuns are shortened by 10%. In related news, I've already made rune changes, so we'll see how they work out. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 30 2012,13:26
QUOTE really, im not getting mad at all. im just trying to get a point across. i happen to watch ALOT of the top players in the world stream. (And im not talking about the streams that they put on the game when you log in) They always talk about their builds, rolls, strategies and all sorts of others things. Now i know that im not even close to being pro, but i do like to think that i have learned alot about certain rolls and common game play that is routine in ranked play. Now im not saying that we haven't had some good success in bottom lane when you push the other team up against thier tower and make them lose cs in that way. But when its pretty obvious that our early game is easily our weakness maybe we should only concentrate on last hitting minions and not engaging the enemy. Let them push forward and then its easy for the jungle to gank. Now we've got a 3v2 situation that should (hopefully) go in our favor. The same goes for top and mid. i know the other night when i was jungling i would just keep going top cause Gordo was doing well keeping his health up, getting good cs and not pushing too far out and it made for easy ganks. Not always kills, but burnt flashes and making them recall to heal was worth it. Then it was easy to push the lane hard. Its just not ideal for the jungle to just baby sit the lane until someone else gets back from healing up. we should be trying to set up situations that give us an advantage and let the jungle do what they are supposed to do. I know i don't have all the answers, but if our early game is what is putting us behind then i think that we should just concentrate on getting farm for the first 20 mins. Lets not push lanes untill we can set the other team up for a situation to our liking, hopefully get a succesful gank and then push the lane. Wash, rinse and repeat. Thats just how i see succesful teams do it when i spectate. I just didn't want you to get mad when I pointed out that you kill creeps out from under me. You don't do it a ton, but it happens. And yeah, we should look to the pros to see what they do, but at the same time, we have to react to situations. If we're getting pushed under our turret, our lane needs the jungler to help out. Meanwhile, the other lanes should shift strategy if they're doing something that might require the jungler's help because he's down bottom. If Gordo and I have success pushing, we should push, and go back to conservative when the enemy proves we shouldn't push, which is typically what we do. What I'm solo top with Teemo, my whole purpose is to harass the shit out of the enemy top so that he/she runs through their health potions and has to leave. Often. Lots of variables. Let's break down the goals for tonight: 1. Have a plan. 2. Be positive. 3. Talk. 4. Play our roles. 5. Don't die. 6. Play conservatively until lvl 6, and then we can open it up, but cautiously. Sound good? Posted by GORDON on Jul. 30 2012,13:51
I am out the next 2 nights. The wife made me take another vacation. But, at least that means you can do a TT without hitler.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 30 2012,17:17
The only guy who takes more vacations than you is Obama.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 30 2012,17:29
I actually dont even know wtf. It really is my wife behind all.this shit.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 30 2012,18:18
I figured you were going to another anti gay rally with your son.If you don't want to read this whole thing, just read the last line. I'm having trouble with Ziggs, Jiggs, etc in mid. Obviously. I don't play as much as I used to and am way out of practice. Not to mention that Morganna is tough to deal with. You know how she's always on our ban list? Ya, she's hard. So, shit's gonna happen. She catches me twice, and I'm dead. Last night, she was a really good Morg, I've never been able to handle Morg. I just tried to keep the damage to a minimum. And personally, I don't think a champ with three kills at 15 minutes into the game is "extremely fed". She was killing you easily because she was just that good. I'm not sure switching lanes with anyone would have helped. Bottom line, she was good enough to be able to kill any one of us. I realize I'm no super star, but I can recognize a good player when I see on. I've also been working with Cass in mid with bots. But honestly, I don't get her. I've never been impressed with her as an enemy and don't know where Leisher's obsession with her comes from. I doubt I will ever be very effective with her. Unless I'm told what is good about her and can exploit it. The ONLY thing she has going for her is early game harass. She's got range and a lingering poison that's a pain to deal with, but only early game. Late game, it's pretty much a non-issue. Her damage is very weak, even with a full build (using builds off of mobofire). Her ult is rediculously dumb. She's squishy as fuck, so she has to stay out of the fight. But, her ult's range is about half of what a ranged basic attack's is. So, she's gotta get all up in people's shit to use her ult. So, at best, it's something she can throw at the enemy team as they come in to kill her. I think I've said all this before. I have no idea what to do with her. Well, except make her play with her boobs. I'm told that Veigar is broken, but I don't agree with that one. Yes, people can still flash out of his circle. However, unlike before, after they do, they are stunned. So, not ideal (or the way I think it should be), but better than before. So instead of the circle stopping them mid flash at the edge of the circle and stunning them. They are allowed to flash the full distance, but are then stunned where they land. And the best thing about Veigar is that the only champ that can survive him is a full health tank. He can insta pop ANY carry or nuke mage in the game. And even a full health tank ends up at about 20% health making it easy for the rest of the team to kill. So, I dare Rammus/Singed/Etc/Etc to initiate. A single tank is a non-issue with Veigar. I really think we under utilize Veigar. Lastly, personally, I think I should be learning Morganna. Any champ that we repeatedly ban because they are a bitch to deal with. . . should be the next champ that we learn/play. Think of all the people we can't stand to see on the other team. Why the fuck are we not playing them? Oh, for the record, the very next game, I was dominating Zarra or whatever the new chick's name is. Granted, that player was playing a new champ and wasn't very good. But, I don't have trouble against every champ. Only good ones. Much like Gordon, early game laning my feeding is kept very minimal. 90% of my deaths come after group fights start. Which leads to, we have OP champs in our arsenal, but we never see them. When Leisher is struggling to figure out what AD carry champ he should play because due to Hitler's pick and/or Stranger crying that he can't ever jungle (just kidding), he doesn't pick Trynd. Why not? Especially with all the losing we've been doing. Leisher owns Darious. The OP win button that is ridiculously broken. But, he never plays him. Why not? Feel free to ask me the same question. But to my knowledge, I don't own an OP champ. But, you better believe I'll be buying the next AP mid nuker that comes out counting on it's out of the gate OPness. Sorry to pick on you, Leisher, but you are the one that has all the OP champs! I have considered trying to learn Trynd just to see him on the field again. I'm very much on the same page as Stranger. We over push our minions. There are benefits to pushing them to their turret because it keeps their last hits to a minimum (unless they know what they are doing), but they get full XP. It's better to push them off the minion group and let their minions kill ours, then kill theirs. Now they get nothing. We have no discipline while laning. People are impatient. Stranger's comes mostly late game when he's farming every damn lane like a boss. It's a full on race to try to grab a few scraps. But, what I agree with are his rune/mastery picks. If you are an AD carry that is dying too much, you don't buy armor (right Scooty/Caitlyn?). You change your tactics avoid damage. Why wouldn't the same hold true for runes/masteries? AD carry? Do your job. Do damage, stay alive. Don't buy armor. I go full attack speed with my AD carry. 33% from runes is starting the game with a free item and 33% carries well to the end of the game. My support runes (maoki) are all support and utility. Etc. I have recently changed my AP runes that is closer to what other people say I should have and I don't think I do as well. Much like my boots of swiftness on all my champs. No one will ever convince me that my ability to outrun the enemy is less valuable than anything else. If I can't catch them, my boots of bloody anal raping do NOTHING. I have chased down to many retreating enemies and escaped too many pursuing enemies to believe anything anyone else has to say. . . So, in summary. Take runes to do your job, not to counter you doing your job poorly. Don't over push minions to either prevent the enemy from leveling gold/xp and it makes for better ganking opportunities by the jungler. They can't gank when the enemy is under their turret. It might work well for us in some games. But I submit that those games are against an inferior enemy. Equal/better enemies and you can't do that without consequences. Last topic, teamwork. Communication. We are really good at alerting each other of enemy locations. But, that information seems ignored more often than not. Sometimes, you point out an enemy location as a warning and someone still goes there and dies. Other times, you point out a weak enemies location and no one goes to finish the job or provide back up. The information is not being used correctly. Leisher let Gordon know that he thought is split pushing was wrong. But, the way he said it was very passive. It was something like "I'm not sure it's working". Instead, he should have said "Stop split pushing. It's not working and we really need you a defense." Based on Gordon's earlier statements, he would have done it. Mainly because it would have been more clear. But, we have to walk on eggshells during the game or else someone gets pissed off. So, I can understand Leisher beating around the bush instead of being more direct. Also, we aren't responding as a team. At all. When someone is fighting, there's no real direction. Sometimes we respond to provide back up, and it works out for us. Other times, someone sees that as an opportunity to split push. But since intentions are never announced, the fighters assume backup is coming, the split pushers assume the fighters are falling back creating a diversion, and everything fails. No one is taking charge. Call for retreat so pushers can push, call targets and tell everyone to come now, etc. We are back to responding to distress after we finish getting the blue buff or staying in a fight way too long thinking the people on the other side of the map can somehow respond and help. In summary, I think this is our biggest problem. Regardless of what champ we pick or how many times we die and/or when we die, when we communicate and play as a team, we win. I think we are a late game team because it's not until our backs are against the wall that someone finally decides they really actually want to win and pulls their head out of the ass and forces everyone to start playing as a team. Early game "La la la. New game. Slowly farm and make jokes about random shit. La la la." Late game "Fucking fucker shits. They are trash talking us and I'm going to shove those words so far up their ass they are going to say them again with shit breath." "Ok team, this is what we are going to do. And what we do today, echos in eternity and stuff." And then we win. Teamwork, above all else. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 30 2012,21:14
We shouldn't have won that last game.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 30 2012,21:54
I'll get to that wall of text tomorrow. Explain why we shouldn't have won that last game. Besides Nidalee being so good that you could use it as "Exhibit A" in proving that people do have hacks for the game. We crushed Graves and held Darius in check. They couldn't get past our defense. The one ace was the turning point as it allowed us to open the path all the way to their middle turret. From that point on, the game went on a lot longer, but the outcome was never in doubt. Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 01 2012,03:48
Because Scooty wasn't in the game at all. He was constantly a minimum of 2 levels behind the whole other team. Mostly lone wolfing it around. Attacked their turret with no minion support and Graves standing there hitting him. End of game: We catch Nid in the jungle and burst her down real quick. We then push into their base and kill the other two in a fierce fight where we die as well. So, you and I ace the enemy, but die in the process. He's killing the wolves on our side of the jungle and we have to urge him to come win the game. He started the game really slow, not really doing anything but wandering between lanes and not farming. Snarky comments about the dumb decisions I was making. Etc. Just completely out of the game. It was pretty much 2.5v3. He wasn't a complete train wreck where he was feeding and really making it hard for us. He was just not a part of the team.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 01 2012,06:25
Yeah, I thought you were going to go there. He wasn't exactly on the same page as us was he? I think he was a shade shy of a random 5th. He wasn't talking, he was doing his own thing, and when he did talk he was fighting with you. There was one moment I remember clearly where that Nidalee killed him with two blind shots. The first was when he and I were at red. She tossed the spear over the wall from top lane. He and I ran back to base, and she must have run immediately and blind tossed a spear from the minion spawn on the left above bot and hit him again, getting the kill. When he spawned, he ran immediately to her position in what I can only assume was an act of vengeance. I don't remember if he died or not, but I do remember thinking it was really stupid. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 01 2012,10:10
I heard a patch is hitting today. It'll contain Diana, but she won't be available yet.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 01 2012,12:12
That sounds like a lot of aggravation.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 01 2012,12:18
Scooty's play or the patch?The last thing Scooty did was run around their nexus at the end letting minions kill it. I did not care for that and told him so. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 01 2012,15:23
I am available tonight, and I promise to do 90% less lone-wolfing in the jungle, and 50% less criticizing of Stranger than that other teammate.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 01 2012,17:48
I'm going to leave the bar soon and will be available.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 02 2012,08:40
In that TT I agree with Cake that we were odds on favorites to lose from the start due to their lineup. What I didn't expect was their strategy. We've never seen anything like that. That's where I see our problem. We don't react. If we hit a snag, we just ride it out and hope for the best, then say, "play more conservative" afterwards. Ok, that might be a good piece of advice, however what gets frustrating about it is that it doesn't apply to all situations, and it can lose us games. For that game we needed to all buy pink eye and go around killing their wards. We didn't, and instead were forced to play conservatively because we didn't know where they were. Meanwhile, they controlled the map because they knew where we were. It was a really good strategy, and they were decent players. Despite the loss, I'm happy we saw that game. Wards are ridiculously important, and we learned a new strategy that we might want to adopt or at least try out. Aside from the lack of proper reaction, we shouldn't have gone on and on about what happened in that game. Still talking about it into the second game wasn't winning us that first game. Continuing to talk about it that much pretty much proves the point that we're not reacting properly. Granted it was something we'd never seen, but we've got to get over losses quicker. In the first SR, I was Fiora, but had I played Teemo, I would have immediately suggested Gordo go bot, and switch with me. I know he's done fine against Darius previously, but Teemo is the "meta" for countering Darius. That's the sort of reactions we need to start doing on the fly. We're getting better, but there's a lot of room for improvement. And yes Cake, I was just teasing you about the "team leader" thing. I've said this before, but apparently it didn't set in, you're the obvious choice to keep us focused in the game because the rest of us aren't as calm. You haven't rage quit or openly bitched about champions. The only things you do negatively is fight with Scooty and say "play conservatively" too much. That's not to say you're the sole voice and decision maker, but I think you should be our "guide". Point out what you're seeing and let us all figure out what to do about it. You call out primaries. 1. Communication 2. Reaction/Adjustments 3. Wards P.S. Darius sucks. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2012,10:18
(Leisher @ Aug. 02 2012,11:40) QUOTE For that game we needed to all buy pink eye and go around killing their wards. We didn't, and instead were forced to play conservatively because we didn't know where they were. Meanwhile, they controlled the map because they knew where we were. Who is this "we" you speak of, kimosabe? I killed a couple wards with pinkeye before they ganged up on me. I was basically countering their Xin Jao, then they got me and I stopped trying to do that and was behind on gear and levels and in bad shape. Like I said, that game their Xin Jao was not playing League of Legends, he was playing "Seed the jungle with wards." He was defensive and light on gear so he could afford more wards and as far as I can tell was avoiding all contact. So. Yeah, everyone needs to keep buying wards, and if we notice they have lots of wards, we need our tankiest person to go defensive and pinkeye the jungle to make them blind. Problem with that is, as I learned last night, when you are killing one of their wards, their entire team knows where you are. Got to kill it and run and hope, I guess. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 02 2012,10:44
QUOTE Who is this "we" you speak of, kimosabe? "We needed to ALL" thus "we". QUOTE Like I said, that game their Xin Jao was not playing League of Legends, he was playing "Seed the jungle with wards." Lee Sin QUOTE So. Yeah, everyone needs to keep buying wards, and if we notice they have lots of wards, we need our tankiest person to go defensive and pinkeye the jungle to make them blind. Problem with that is, as I learned last night, when you are killing one of their wards, their entire team knows where you are. Got to kill it and run and hope, I guess. I think we need to make an effort to do it either with two of us or all three. You have no damage yet, and are spending money on pink eye or wards, so you should have someone there hitting things with you. Does pink eye show your teammates hidden things as well? Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2012,11:09
(Leisher @ Aug. 02 2012,13:44) QUOTE Does pink eye show your teammates hidden things as well? YEP. Xin Jao, Lee Sin, same thing. Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 02 2012,12:04
I say "Be more cautious" because "Play like a team" is just as over said. And playing more cautious is easier.We pick champs that are fun to play and have a chance of working well together. Jax, Trynd, Lee says "We want to win. And we are going to." There was little we could have done against that team. We couldn't engage them. I was just as leveled as Jax and he killed me and Gordon. 1v1, Jax is WAY more powerful. So is Trynd. Unless he doesn't have his ult available. Then Noc will win (same level/farm assumed). Lee Sin. . . hard to say. I don't face him much. I can't speak for Teemo 1v1 because we don't lane together so I don't have a real feel for him. So, our only chance of winning was to not engage them. But that's only going to last so long as well. They were killing our turrets, we weren't leaving our base. We couldn't. When we did, we would die. Them having wards helped them kill us, because they could find us. But, no matter what, when our paths crossed, they were going to win the encounter. Unless we ran keeping them from killing us. In my opinion, wards would have helped us avoid them. That's all. It wouldn't have helped us kill them. At best, we'd kill one of them, but they were kill multiples of us. We were never going to win any fights. Thus, play cautiously. We wait. Farm as much as we can. Avoid them. Wait for them to get careless. Wait to fight them under our turrets, get a small advantage and push with it. Hope they made a bunch of mistakes. Etc. Both teams playing well, they win. Nothing would have prevented that. Our ONLY chance was to stay alive for as long as possible, making NO mistakes, and waiting for them to make some. Then taking advantage of them. Like Gordon said "Killing their ward told them where you were, and they would come kill you". So, pink eye didn't do anything. Placing wards would just give them something to kill because they owned the map. And they didn't own the map because they could see it. They owned it because if they saw us, they would kill us or chase us away. Maybe I'm underestimating Teemo. But in my opinion, the best we could hope for was taking one, MAYBE two of them with us as they aced us. Our only chance was to play cautious, avoid them, and capitalize on their mistakes. ONLY fight them under our turrets, etc. They had to lose that game as there was no way for us to win it. And when a team has trouble playing as a team because there are lone wolfers, split pushers, random junglers, etc. Saying "play cautious" and grouping up in our base at least puts us all back on the same screen. Now, when the enemy comes, we are all there to do something about it instead of one person pushing top, one getting blue, one shopping and the last two trying to defend against 4 or 5 enemies. "Play cautious" forces us to group together. You say playing cautious means "Hide in spawn", I think it means "group up and stick together". And we can't just say "Group up and stay together". Because we don't. When we say "Play cautious" it creates a rally point, our base, where we group up and have a chance of playing like a team. In a recent game, you pointed out our best play was when we started playing cautious and we were all grouped up in our base. We were hitting targets better and actually causing problems for the other team. We even managed a push all the way to an inhibitor. But then, during that push, one went top lane, one started getting jungle buffs, and the pushers tried to keep the momentum going and ended up dying as the other team spawned. We regrouped at spawn "playing cautiously" until we created another opening. However, it was too little, too late and we continued to make mistakes the enemy took advantage of. Some of our best team play comes under the 'cautious' banner. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2012,12:25
I thought the best play of the night was when I teleported ahead of a fleeing Amumu and cut off his escape.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 02 2012,12:27
As far as me being leader, I tried again last night for the first time in a long time. The last game. And there was one person on our team that gave me a really hard time which made it difficult. But seriously, it really impacted my game play. I'm watching the whole board trying to keep intel flowing, trying to come up with strategies and plans for what to do, etc. Which causes me to lose a lot of the awareness of my own surroundings, etc. Plus, I REALLY hated that Wukong last night. Someone taking credit for everything we were doing is probably worse than. . . other BS that randoms do. I made a bigger effort to split push as an AD carry last night as well. I've often said that I think it would be better for Singed to be playing D and a carry do the pushing instead of him. So, I tried to take that role pushing him into the defensive stance. I remember one instance it worked pretty well. I started pushing top and didn't stop till I killed two of their turrets. I think we lost one and they tried to take a second but were stopped. It would have taken Singed a lot longer to kill those two turrets and I'm betting did better on D than I would have. But anyway, that's what I was doing last night. So, my k/d ratio suffered, but I still felt like I was getting a lot done. Also, I was acting as an initiator a lot knowing that if I called a target, went after that target, that the team would follow. And you would. I would die, but I setup the kills, so it worked out.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 02 2012,12:37
Personally, I think you should just condescendingly, yet snarkily say "You know..." whenever we're getting beat. Same message.At least we'll laugh. QUOTE "Play cautious" forces us to group together. You say playing cautious means "Hide in spawn", I think it means "group up and stick together". And we can't just say "Group up and stay together". Because we don't. When we say "Play cautious" it creates a rally point, our base, where we group up and have a chance of playing like a team. In a recent game, you pointed out our best play was when we started playing cautious and we were all grouped up in our base. We were hitting targets better and actually causing problems for the other team. We even managed a push all the way to an inhibitor. But then, during that push, one went top lane, one started getting jungle buffs, and the pushers tried to keep the momentum going and ended up dying as the other team spawned. We regrouped at spawn "playing cautiously" until we created another opening. However, it was too little, too late and we continued to make mistakes the enemy took advantage of. Some of our best team play comes under the 'cautious' banner. I get what you're saying, and I'm not shooting it down, BUT at lvl 1, in the laning phase, it's been said repeatedly to "play cautiously", and that doesn't match up with the rest of what you typed. Point being, I've got no issue with "play cautiously" once the laning phase ends. Go look back at everything I've typed on the subject. It's ALWAYS about the laning phase. You can't group up 4-5 people during laning phase... Back to that Jax/Trynd/Lee Sin team: We could have won that game, we just weren't prepared. Straight up against those guys, I think winning is on the table. Lee Sin is only super dangerous in the right hands. Ditto for Trynd. Jax, however, is an asshole. I know you have trouble with him as Noc. Teemo does fare better, but I need items to get there. (I'm going to talk more about Teemo in the character thread.) Because they had map control, we were having trouble farming, and only feeding them if we left the turrets. I don't think they thumped us badly in kills. They simply threw down wards, ganked every chance they had, all pushed lanes when we were removed, and never let up the pressure. They were a hell of a good team. The ONLY strategy I see beating that is to eliminate their wards, and counter their strategy like Gordo suggested. Do it right back to them. There's a saying in basketball about teams that love to full court press, the way to beat them is to do it right back to them. They hate it. I don't know why, but it's true. Same situation here. Turn off their eyes, and all of a sudden we can gank. They start moving around more hesitantly because they don't know where we are, etc. I just believe a more pro-active approach to that game would've given us a better chance of winning than our "D until the ace" win. They were too good to slow down long enough for us to catch up. Like I said, I'm glad we faced that team. It was a good learning experience. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2012,12:41
I have no problem not playing top, but sometimes I feel like I have best map-awareness overall, and that 25% of the game I am watching the minimap instead of my character, and I am usually the first one to notice when minions are pushing one of our lanes, or that we have a turret-pushing opportunity with a big glob of our minions closing in, or whatever. Which is why I am usually first responder to that.I have no problem taking charge, too. My first rule would that EVERYONE needs to be buying and placing at least 1 ward when they hit the spawn. No exceptions. I thought Randy's placing of wards in the enemy jungle was brilliant, when we were pushed past the middle of the map, and we needed awareness of that area. We typically call out a lane push if circumstances arise to do so, and I usually don't need to be told to stay in-lane for one, but if I peel off for some reason during a heavy lane push, tell me to stay. Since turret kills are my #1 priority, there must have been something I didn't notice, and I peeled off to be useful elsewhere. But call out my name or character, and make sure I acknowledge. Make sure I heard the order. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 02 2012,13:01
QUOTE I thought the best play of the night was when I teleported ahead of a fleeing Amumu and cut off his escape. I loved it, but I would have caught him ![]() QUOTE As far as me being leader, I tried again last night for the first time in a long time. The last game. And there was one person on our team that gave me a really hard time which made it difficult. But seriously, it really impacted my game play. I got annoyed last night at you when you said, "play cautiously". I wasn't mad, but I was fed up with hearing that to all questions. I would compare it to asking any liberal about why anything bad happens and hearing them say "Bush". I was really working hard that game, and it just irritated me. I was over it later, but you set me off again post game when you kept disagreeing with Gordo and I about what we could have done differently. His plan versus "play cautiously". Then you kept talking about it while we're trying to get the team situated for the next game. I finally got my pick in with 7 seconds to go and was rushing to change spells and masteries. Thus, when we started that first SR, I had reached "a mood". Thus, I began ripping Darius to entertain myself. At some point early-mid game I watched you die while trying to argue with me, and realized you were taking my ranting too seriously. That's when I told you to drop it, shut up, and just play. I was never mad at you, I just wanted you to drop the generalization of "play cautiously" (and I think you should admit that a guy with Garen and Cho's ult, only with zero CD is OP). To put this another way, if I drive into Detroit, and stop at your place over on 8 mile, and say, "Hey Cake, how do I get to Tigers Stadium?" You're going to give me detailed directions on how to get there. You're not just going to point in a direction and grunt "that way". That's what "play cautious" is..."that way". I also might be grumpy lately due to a chemical dependency issue. So there's that. Anyway, I agree with the rest of what you said, except for "leader". I like "guide" better, but even that might be wrong. I don't think we need a leader. We just need to work together. If Gordo can call out his reads on the map, awesome. You call out who we're focusing. I'll call where I see them, and what I'm doing, etc. ANY one guy can call out a plan, and the rest of us can throw in our two cents or follow. As for Gordo, I think he needs to stop split pushing so much. He's the best at spotting lanes to push, but I think he should call those out, and be back on D. Although, the person who does split push will probably die more than he does because they won't have his escapability... Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 02 2012,13:46
QUOTE Jax, however, is an asshole. I'm very curious about how other people play Jax. I've never really seen anyone else playing him, and he's by far my favorite champion. I build attack speed. Some health and attack damage, but only because they come as a side dish on attack speed items. With a full build and full levels I'm hitting the speed cap and can chew up a full-health tower in seven seconds. I'm pretty squishy and useless early game, a good split pusher mid game, and by end game I can take almost anyone on 1v1 and often 2v1. So my style is to play early game trying to farm minion gold as much as I can but also running away a lot (flip-flopping between too bold and too cautious), split-push and run away mid game, and split push without running away late game with a possible chance of occasional gankery. I rarely play near my teammates, because while they are keeping them busy elsewhere is when I push best. How does that match up to how others play Jax? Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2012,13:58
(Leisher @ Aug. 02 2012,16:01) QUOTE I also might be grumpy lately due to a chemical dependency issue. So there's that. I never realized that an addiction to smoking pole was considered a chemical dependency. Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 02 2012,14:01
Gordon can split push blind. Meaning, he can just go without knowing enemy positions. Because he has good escape ability. But, his push is weak because he depends on minions to do most of the damage. I think it's better to call out the vulnerable lane and send a carry. The rest of the team put heavy pressure on the opposite side of the map. So, they can respond to the four pushing bottom, or the single pushing top. Send too many top, and bottom does well. Send too many bottom and top does well. If they split the difference, then both our pushes are stopped and our losses, if any, are minimal. But sending a lone carry to push a lane while everyone else does ransom stuff leads to a dead carry.In the earlier example of a push fizzling out, spreading out and dying. . . Gordon said he may have been the one going top. Which may have been the better call. The momentum was up the middle, and we went far with it. But, a definitive call was not made about what to do at the end. All go top? Some go top, some go bottom? Etc. The teamwork ended and lone wolfing began. If the momentum in middle is dying and top is vulnerable, then everyone should hit it. Make the most of what's available. But as a team. Going top alone, along with some leaving to heal, along with some wanting the carry the momentum further in mid all adds up to fail. Someone make a call, and the rest of the team must follow. . . And ya, play cautious is general. But, everyone knows what it means. Turtle in our base. Turtle under our turrets. Etc. "Stick together" is ignored. Someone always sees an opportunity where they can be a hero and do more good for the team than what the team is doing right then as a whole. Playing cautious keeps our minds on the same page and puts us all on the same screen with each other. From now on, I'll say "Group up in our base." "Group up under bottom turret" if that sounds better. Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 02 2012,14:04
(TPRJones @ Aug. 02 2012,08:46) QUOTE QUOTE Jax, however, is an asshole. I'm very curious about how other people play Jax. I've never really seen anyone else playing him, and he's by far my favorite champion. I build attack speed. Some health and attack damage, but only because they come as a side dish on attack speed items. With a full build and full levels I'm hitting the speed cap and can chew up a full-health tower in seven seconds. I'm pretty squishy and useless early game, a good split pusher mid game, and by end game I can take almost anyone on 1v1 and often 2v1. So my style is to play early game trying to farm minion gold as much as I can but also running away a lot (flip-flopping between too bold and too cautious), split-push and run away mid game, and split push without running away late game with a possible chance of occasional gankery. I rarely play near my teammates, because while they are keeping them busy elsewhere is when I push best. How does that match up to how others play Jax? I don't know peoples' builds. I just know they end up with a jax that hits for a ton, stuns and is tankier than Singed. I've never seen a 'squishy' jax. When you are using these tactics, who are you playing against? You have said that you and your teammates aren't very good, but you also say you win more than lose. Are you playing bots, or from a pool of like players in custom games? Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2012,14:08
Singed vs. Darius, top solo, both of us level 2:He had me pushed under my turret with his ranged attack. I had flipped him under my turret as he rushed me, he took 2 hits. Both of us had 2 bars of health. I sat under my turret to gain XP from a minion wave that just pushed to me. He was watching. I wasn't worried about it because I figured if he attacked me under my turret it would be suicide for him and we both die. He came in with the minion wave. I was going to flip him when he came to me, hoping that maybe the damage from the flip and the turret hit would kill him and spare me. He came up, I targeted the flip, and he was able to hit me before my flip took effect and kill me. Turret targeted him, he took a hit. Not dead. He was able to run out of turret range and survive. Again, both of us level 2. Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 02 2012,16:48
(Cakedaddy @ Aug. 02 2012,16:04) QUOTE When you are using these tactics, who are you playing against? You have said that you and your teammates aren't very good, but you also say you win more than lose. Are you playing bots, or from a pool of like players in custom games? We usually do PvP matches versus ... however that system works when it matches you up with people after you assemble your team. Usually we only lose to groups that are clearly in voice chat together and working well with good tactics. Otherwise they may have more champion kills, but we will win the match. I can imagine building Jax more tanky, but it just doesn't sound as fun to me. I like to hit fast (and somewhat hard, but mostly above all fast). I never play Jax against bots. It would be no challenge at all. Bots is for trying out new free champions. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 03 2012,06:48
Lessons learned from last night:1. Detroit's internet sucks. 2. There are options for our fifth other than Hitler. 3. TPR is playing the wrong character (you should be Yi!) 4. We might need to get a different chat client... 5. Only by combining their efforts can the Cakes take down Teemo. It was a lot of fun last night. I look forward to doing that again. What characters does Lagme usually play? Posted by GORDON on Aug. 03 2012,07:01
What was wrong with voice?
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 03 2012,07:05
One of their guys was having trouble getting in voice, and Cake and Scooty's voice kept cutting out..And i agree, good time playing with other peeps Posted by Leisher on Aug. 03 2012,07:05
The Cakes were breaking up constantly, but that might have been their internet. "Noid"(?) was dropping connection like crazy, and I think once he dumped Steam, it worked? TPR can give more details there. You weren't on to see all the issues. You got on after Detroit lost internet, and Noid dropped out of our chat. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 03 2012,07:07
Apparently I....Wait for it... Avoided the Noid. Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 03 2012,07:13
I'm not entirely sure what Lagme usually plays. I don't lane with him much most games. I think he does that vampire guy a lot, maybe? Some other characters that take some finesse, probably. I don't know, I'm more the me-hit-hard or me-hit-fast type, so those champs he plays aren't really in my mental roster.Mumble is an awesome chat client. But it does need a server to run on. Yi is okay, but I die even more with him. So squishy! But I'll take him out of storage and mess around with him some more. Oh, and even after leaving Steam chat Noid's LoL was still giving him fits. I think it's just time for a new computer for him. I was helping him hunt down good deals earlier in the evening before everyone got on, so he'll be back an a week or two with more reliability. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 03 2012,07:41
(GORDON @ Aug. 03 2012,10:07) QUOTE Apparently I.... Wait for it... Avoided the Noid. I'm giving serious thought to banning you for that. QUOTE I'm not entirely sure what Lagme usually plays. I don't lane with him much most games. I think he does that vampire guy a lot, maybe? Some other characters that take some finesse, probably. I don't know, I'm more the me-hit-hard or me-hit-fast type, so those champs he plays aren't really in my mental roster. I don't want him to feel like he has to play support. To be honest, I'd rather have a tank or another gun on the team than support. Usually when Scooty is our fifth, and it's not some random Hitler, he's the other AD. One thing that hurt us in that SR was that we didn't do enough damage. QUOTE Yi is okay, but I die even more with him. So squishy! But I'll take him out of storage and mess around with him some more. Just test him in a solo custom game or two, and see if you get what I'm talking about with his power. I think Scooty builds him AP, but AD is very legit on him too. I'd say boots, IE, Ghostblade, 2x Phantom Dancers, and a Bloodthirster(?). Remember to activate that Ghostblade when you're hitting a turret and see what happens. Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 03 2012,08:06
QUOTE Remember to activate that Ghostblade when you're hitting a turret and see what happens. That's the problem. I really can't. I've even had someone on my team tasked to remind me over and over to use it, and even then I never got it into my thick head that I should use it. Sometimes I do good just to remember I have QWER skills. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 03 2012,08:18
Stick the Ghost blade in the first item slot, then just do your best to remember to hit #1 once you start attacking a turret. Just focus on that one single thing, and see how well you do. I have a similar issue, as I constantly forget to use potions after I'm done jungling. However, I discovered that if I stick that item into slot 1, I'm more likely to remember to activate it. That's why I put Wriggle's Lantern there. Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 03 2012,08:20
Can you change the slot items are in? I though it was just based entirely on build order.Not that it'll help. Although if I get a gaming keyboard with built in macro abilities, I could tie slot numbers in with QWER buttons so they just happen anyway. That would be better than nothing, I guess. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 03 2012,08:31
Yeah, you can move them around with a standard "click-drag-release". But not in the shop window.
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 03 2012,08:41
< http://www.phantoml0rd.com/stream-....ry_id=6 >This is what i want you to do with AP Master Yi! Posted by GORDON on Aug. 03 2012,10:25
You know, one good thing about Darius is that now, in ranked games, there is another champion banned before they get around to Singed.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 03 2012,10:33
Your link doesn't work Stranger.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 05 2012,03:05
Bought Darius tonight and started playing with him. Got beat my first bot game. Second bot game, I got beat too. But, I was trying to practice rapid firing the ult. So, I let them push all the way into my base because that was the only way to get them all together. I had everything pushed back to their base, but didn't take out the inhibitors.Turns out, with two blood thirsters and a phantom blade, you don't even need your ult. I was three hitting many champs and 5 hitting others. Didn't even have a chance to use the ult as they would die so fast. At the end, I dumped the frozen mallet, because no one ever had a chance to run for me to slow them down. Picked up lichbane for the ability power and speed boost. I took the ability power to see what the AP stacked on top of my passive would look like. Unfortunetly, while I was shopping and figuring things out, they made a 5 man push on my nexus and it died. So, didn't get a chance to see what it would do. But my passive does 12 + ap points of damage over 5 seconds with up to 5 stacks. So 5x80ap would be 400 points over 5 seconds. But then again, they would never last 5 seconds. . . Still need to practice quite a bit with him. But damn does he hit hard. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 05 2012,19:03
It has been announced that Darius is getting "changed". So don't practice with him too much.Morello says: QUOTE We're gonna do Darius changes, we're just working on them. Make him less infuriating and more team-friendly. So you get an IOU - no sense it doing it fast but 1/2-way.
Changes, not nerfs. Not buffs, both. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 06 2012,14:27
Just played a PvAI game, I said in the beginning i wanted to practice Swain in the jungle. Asked for a leash at blue, got it. From the beginning when 2 of them tried to steal blue from me, and they kept the jungle fairly cleared before i could get to anything, I realized that there isn't anyone playing this game that isn't an asshole.I really hate this player base. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 06 2012,15:58
People suck Gordo. By the way, < League of Legends is becoming a real sport. > Or something very similar. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 07 2012,09:58
Has anyone ever done the math on taking masteries and runes that give gold? What would happen if someone at bot (it's got to be someone who can hide, but get last hits) went with every gold perk possible? Do you think the speed in which this person could get upgraded items could help them dominate the early game of a match? Perhaps get enough kills and destroy enough turrets to put the match out of reach before the enemy gets a chance to gain any momentum?Combine the above with one or two money items as well... Gordo mentioned a Singed that seemed to get his items a bit too quick. Is it possible that he went the money route with his runes and masteries? Two champ suggestions: Gordo - I was thinking about the play style comment regarding the differences between Singed and Nasus, and I think you should give Volibear a peek when he's free. He's a tank, has a passive that heals him, has a fear, a flip, and gains movement speed when chasing enemies (or slows them down). It seems like he's closer to a match for Singed than Nasus. Stranger - I was thinking you should give Gragas a peek. He's a damage dealing top solo/jungler with ranged attacks, plus aoe attacks, which would be great for team fights. Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 07 2012,11:04
I don't think the items/masteries are going to be a flood of gold allowing you to buy a blood thirster at level 4 or anything. I think Stranger is heavy gold rune/masteried to make up for not taking last hits. Even if you did, I still don't think it would amount to all that much. Maybe a medium item by end game or something.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 07 2012,11:06
I figure the same thing, but the pros in the videos get the gold generating items, first. Either they are smart or stupid.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 07 2012,11:21
Yeah, I think I'm going to start toying with the gold flow a bit. I won't go overboard, but I need to get more gold faster.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 07 2012,11:25
The pros seem to get that turtle shell-looking thing.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 07 2012,11:27
Diana was in today's patch.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 07 2012,11:39
(GORDON @ Aug. 07 2012,14:25) QUOTE The pros seem to get that turtle shell-looking thing. Just looked it up. The "turtle shell" is the Heart of Gold. Seems to cost 825... I think (I don't know how to read that LOL item page). Gives 200 health, and an extra 5 gold every 10 seconds. That's 30 gold per minute. Typical SR game is 50 minutes.... so that is an extra 300 gold in 10 minutes. 600 gold in 20 minutes. 900 gold in a half hour... some SR games last as little as this. 1200 gold at 40 minutes 1500 gold at 50 minutes I am thinking it will knock 7ish minutes off your "full build" achievement. For that 825 (I think) cost, Singed could have instead bought that Blasting Wand that gives +40AP, and builds into 4 of the items I typically buy. I would be getting gold generation instead of damage dealing, and would still have to buy the damage dealing, later. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 07 2012,11:53
I always purchased a gold generating item as Trynd. In the grand scheme of things, it's a cheap purchase to boost your gold production. It might not give you enough to buy an IE 5 minutes into the game, but it might give you an edge later. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 07 2012,12:00
(Leisher @ Aug. 07 2012,14:53) QUOTE In the grand scheme of things, it's a cheap purchase to boost your gold production. It might not give you enough to buy an IE 5 minutes into the game, but it might give you an edge later. I just don't know how "cheap" it actually is... it gets you 1500 gold after 50 minutes of owning it, but if it costs 800 to begin with, then it only profits you 700 gold after 50 minutes. You could have bought something useful with that money, instead. I dunno. Like I said, the pros do it. Must be something I am not appreciating. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 07 2012,12:12
I did some quick research and I think it's possible to gain 17.25 gold per 10 seconds.+5/10 for the Heart of Gold + 5/10 for the Avarice Blade +3/10 for Quints +2.25 for Seals + 2 from masteries Add that to the 13 per 10 seconds that you normally get. So that's 181.5 every minute. 1815 in 10 minutes. 3630 in 20 minutes. That's on top of last hits. Would it be worth it? As a support character, maybe...? Posted by Stranger on Aug. 07 2012,12:28
I always go +3 in quints, +2 in masteries and get +5 heart of gold and +5 philo stone every time i go support. Thats +15 gold per 10 it helps alot, but it definetly is for late game builds cause the gold you invest early could go towards other items earlier. But i like that build for my supports. it easily earns 2500+ a game, ( if you hover your mouse above them items it will show you how much gold you have accumulated)I also commonly go heart of gold and philo just about every time i jungle, but i don't get the quint or masteries bonus for jungle. i just happen to like them items cause they also give health and mana/hp regen. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 07 2012,12:38
I did not factor in the Philosopher's Stone.So 35.25 per 10 seconds is possible without minion kills. Right? Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 07 2012,12:49
I buy the gold generating item that adds ability power as well. It's a key ingredient to both Deathfire and the book that adds cool down reduction. So, I've got a gold generating item for the first half of the game. I can't say that I notice it getting me all the much ahead of other people in gold. Having used it, I'm not that impressed with it. Often I struggle between another upgrade or getting the gold item. I could REALLY use faster boots, but I get the gold item instead and know that I'm going to remain slow. There I times when I have the item and am cut off from farm for a while and recall for one reason or another only to find that I STILL don't have enough gold to buy something. In my opinion, the best item to buy would be one that helps you get more last hits on minions. I bet the red gloves that do 500 points to minions would give you WAY more gold over time than a gold item.I realize the pros buy them. But, the pros do a lot of other things we don't that probably adds to that items effectiveness. That item is good when A, B and C happen as well. If they don't, it's a waste. Or something. Pros attack Dragon every time it's up. Pros attack Baron every time it's up. Etc. Pros augment the minimal gold input of the gold item with all the other minimal gold things that then add up to a usable amount of gold. Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 07 2012,12:53
And don't forget the return when selling the item later. Buy it for 850, but sell it for 600, or whatever it sells for.Dragon gives everyone on the team 200gp. For 5-15 seconds of fighting. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 07 2012,13:16
Yeah, we need to do a better job with dragon and baron. I think we should start making that a priority.
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 07 2012,13:32
keeping tabs on dragon, baron and even red and blue is a great idea. I commonly see teams type in team chat the time when dragon, baron, ect. will come up again. So maybe when we get a kill on one of them we just type something like "dragon 21:30" that way we can reference our chat to see when it comes up again. and we can know, "ok, 1 minute till dragon spawn, make sure we all meet there"And just incase we didn't know this already. Blue and red buff= 5 mins spawn after death dragon= 6 mins Baron= 7 mins Posted by GORDON on Aug. 07 2012,13:33
If we can all gather at the dragon 5 seconds before it spawns... and the icon appears in the minimap... we can have it killed and be gone before the other team even notices it and gathers to kill it.
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 07 2012,13:53
Also, first dragon spawns @ 7:00 into the game, and first Baron spawns @ 15:00 mins
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 09 2012,16:25
Login queue just now. FYI.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 10 2012,14:39
I will be available 10ish, tonight.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 10 2012,15:24
Make that between 9 and 9:30, if peeps are around.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 10 2012,16:01
I will be on tonight as well. Probably not a late night though. I have to golf in a scrambles tomorrow
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 11 2012,13:18
They are live streaming a tourny in San Fran, today...< http://tournaments.leagueoflegends.com/ipl-faceoff > (between games atm... next games starting soon) I just watched a Soraka keep a team completely alive in a 5v5, for a clean ace. Was impressed. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 12 2012,15:42
Anyone playing tonight?
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 12 2012,17:20
I'll be around but I don't know about stranger.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 13 2012,09:51
The latest patch preview...Please pay attention to the changes to Garen. They go out of their way to point out how unfair Garen's ult would be if you were killed by it, and returned to lane only to see he has it ready again. Garen's ult is essentially the same as Darius', but Darius isn't OP. In other news, -Apparently Zyra was crazy OP. -< Eventually Riot wants to provide what LoL Replay provides. > One for Cake: One for Stranger: PC Games interviewed Morello, and here are some tidbits: 1. At Gamescom players will be able to play a new champion with "gravity influencing" abilities 2. A champion named Dark Sovereign is mentioned, that explores new gaming mechanics 3. He is very pleased that at tournaments about 70% of all champions are constantly picked/banned 4. Regarding Pulsefire Ezrael - if players like it, we will see more of it. They are checking numbers 5. They are investigating implementing a system to reward good behavior similar to DOTA2 6. About season 3: He mentions the pro-league with player salaries, hd stream Posted by Leisher on Aug. 13 2012,10:08
Teemo's poison also got buffed and nerfed. It does more damage up front, and slightly less over time. Here's Rengar, which is interesting because he's already on the PBE, and there hasn't even been a hint of a teaser yet... Abilities: Passive: Unseen Predator While in brush or stealth Rengar will leap at the target when using his basic attack. Rengar builds 1 point of Ferocity with each ability he uses on enemies. When reaching 5 points of Ferocity, Rengar's next ability becomes empowered, granting it a bonus effect. Q: Savagery Rengar's next basic attack deals bonus damage ( 30/55/80/105/130 + total AD ) and grants him increased attack speed. Ferocity Bonus: Rengar deals enhanced damage and doubles his Attack Speed bonus. W: Battle Roar Rengar lets out a battle roar, damaging enemies ( 75/120/165/210/255 +1 AP ) and gaining bonus armor and Magic Resist ( 20/30/40/50/60 ) for a short duration. Ferocity Bonus: Rengar heals for a large amount ( 15% of his max health). E: Bola Strike Rengar throws a bola at his target ( 60/105/150/195/240 damage +), slowing them for a short duration ( 50/55/60/65/70%, Enemy Movement Speed recovers over 2.5 seconds). Ferocity Bonus: Roots the target for 1 second. R: Thrill of the Hunt Rengar activates his predatory instincts, stealthing and revealing all enemy Campions in a large radius around him. He gains Movement Speed (10/15/20%) and rapidly generates Ferocity while stealthed. Lasts 7 seconds or until he uses an ability. His unique item: ![]() Looks to me like a re-imagined WW. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 14 2012,07:24
I'll be on tonight, probably 10ish.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 14 2012,09:45
I should be, too.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 17 2012,12:20
< Riot on DOTA2. >Yeah, we thought about doing it that way, but we wanted to do something more original and make it better. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 18 2012,18:08
Not sure if anyone is playing tnght but i am still an hour.from home.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 18 2012,19:48
I'll be getting on shortly. Watched a flick with the wife tonight.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 18 2012,19:49
I'm home now, but tired. i dunno.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 20 2012,06:11
Sorry about last night. We were going to win that game, and then bye bye power supply. I patched my old computer, and will test it out when I get home today to make sure I can play on it tonight. When the power supply died, there was a visual flash in my office, and my wife heard the baby monitor cut out. This sucker has a big power supply. I've read their manual, and I don't think they'll just ship me a new one, they want me to overnight the PC, and they'll overnight it back, all at their expense. So I'll get that going today. The only real negative of this is that Gordo's client will now load faster than mine. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 20 2012,06:21
I usually run lots of processes so my CPU is pegged at 98% before I launch the game so it slows down my load time so you can win. I know it is important to you.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 20 2012,06:24
If the lights in your house flashed, maybe there was a power surge and it took out your PC, instead of the PC making the lights flash?You have a beefy UPS on the pc, right? Posted by Leisher on Aug. 20 2012,08:37
QUOTE If the lights in your house flashed, maybe there was a power surge and it took out your PC, instead of the PC making the lights flash? You have a beefy UPS on the pc, right? I thought about it, but the overheads weren't affected or the TVs, monitor, etc. And yes I do, but I think I'm going to replace it now. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 21 2012,21:22
My early impression is that Stranger kicks ass as Sona.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 22 2012,07:51
Just wanted to repeat what I said last night, a few of our late of our 5-man team fights are the best teamwork I've ever seen come from us.Got irritated with lack of jungler support in the top lane when getting assfucked by that guy spamming his ghosts at me, but I'm glad I didn't quit the game. Also I don't know why Leisher felt the need to edit my post. I totally did not say Soraka instead of Sona. He is mistaken. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 22 2012,10:45
Yeah, as the AD Carry, it's been a lot easier with a support in lane than another damage dealer or even a tank. Someone focused on support doesn't really need any minions at all. Plus, the constant heals mean I can purchase damage out of the gate instead of heal potions. Getting items and levels quicker means I'm deadlier faster, and don't have to focus farming so much mid game. You were getting picked on a lot, but at the same time, we were routing bot. I think it's a trade off. Not saying you shouldn't have gotten more help, but there was at least a positive occurring because that help wasn't coming. My criticism for our jungler would have been to coordinate ganks better. He'd jump out when we were out of position and not ready. We'd get the kills, but he'd be dead. If he didn't die, he'd have been able to head top instead of waiting to spawn. On a serious note, we need to get everyone on headphones. Scooty never talks, and Gordo's current setup washes out everyone whenever he hits Push to Talk. Posted by Stranger on Aug. 22 2012,11:14
Thats why i thought that Sona would work better with Vayne, she can heal and buff alot better than Alistar can. Alistar is good if we wanted to be agressive off the bat, but since we play late game so much better its just better to let you farm up and stay in lane.Just so everyone knows what Sona does, she basically gives off AOE auras. My Q gives bonus AD and AP to everyone in my area. The W sends out a heal to the lowest HP champ around and also gives Armor and Magic Resist to everyone in the area. And the E give speed boost to everyone around me. And Sona's ult is the big power chord that makes the whole team dance to my beautiful music for 2 seconds! and its got a pretty short cooldown. And as far as item build i also try and accompany my abilities with other aura's. like Aegis of Legion for team defense, and one that i've been liking alot lately Zeke's Herald which gives the whole team 20 attack speed bonus and 12% life steal. This item really helps all of us, specially Vayne. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 22 2012,12:02
If it isn't too boring for you, I'd like to see you explore the Sona/other support stuff more. I think those AOE buffs helped us a lot... in the past it seemed a lot of times we were getting just barely beaten in team fights... last night it felt like your buffs pushed us over the cliffs of victory. Didn't we have a couple aces late game in which we only lost 1 guy on our team?
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 22 2012,12:04
(Leisher @ Aug. 22 2012,13:45) QUOTE On a serious note, we need to get everyone on headphones. Scooty never talks, and Gordo's current setup washes out everyone whenever he hits Push to Talk. Got an email yesterday from amazon that said my new headset has already shipped. Posted by Stranger on Aug. 22 2012,12:31
I have actually really enjoyed playing support. Getting about 30 assists a game is fine with me. I have gotten pretty good at having less than 20 minion kills a game and being able to keep on par with my gold and experience. That was tough the first few times i was trying support. But i think ive got my masteries, runes and item build down pretty solid now. Like i said in another post i have just about all the supports that are out there except for Lulu (which i will be purchasing when i get the IP). Me and Leisher seem to have a good synergy, much better than i had with scooty. So i will be working on other supports to bring to the table. So that leaves Scooty for the jungle, jungle is prolly the best spot for Scooty anyways since he is such a loan wolf/roamer. But he needs to refine his game a little better. Blue needs to go to our AP everytime if possible, he needs to work on setting up them ganks and letting us know his intentions. And he needs to help teammates out when fights break out. He gets caught up jungling when a teammate is getting jumped right next to him. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 22 2012,12:49
Just opened my broken headset to see if I could re-solder it, or something.There are no moving parts where the wires come together in the one ear piece and they are soldered together, but these wires are frayed and some are cut and it's a mess. Oh well. Shit solder, I guess. Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 22 2012,12:53
Scooty needs to fix his sound/comms as well. The echo and hearing his game is annoying and distracting.The AP/AD boost from Sona is best paired up with attack speed based champs as I'm guessing it's a small boost. A small boost pair with high attack speed will build up to a decent boots. A small boost to veigar is just a small boost because he only casts a couple things. So, make sure you are staying closer to the attack speed champs instead of me, if you aren't already. I'm guessing Singed's poison would benefit from the boost decently as well. Zeke's is good if we have a heavy AD team. They will benefit from the life steal. But obviously, the AP champs won't benefit from it. So, not sure if there is an AP equivalent to Zeke's for when our team is AP heavy. But if there is, keep that one in mind too. I learning that I need jungler presence as much as possible in mid when I'm Veigar. Not constant gank/kill support. But harass. Obviously, a kill would be cool, but more importantly, just throwing some damage on my opponent. Because Veigar must farm his Q, every time his ability is up, it's being thrown at a minion. This means that he has no harass going at the enemy. I can drop my Sky Fall spell. But, it doesn't hit often and it's mana heavy. Which impacts my ability to keep the Q farm up. So, point is, ANY time the jungler is near mid, he needs to hop in my lane, punch the enemy a couple of times and move on. This keeps some damage on the enemy and keeps them nervous. Jungler doesn't need to camp, or wait for the prefect gank opportunity. Just pass through, do some damage, and move on. Doesn't have to interrupt or slow the jungle pattern. If they don't, my enemy sits at full health the whole time while farming. Meanwhile, I'm dodging their harass and losing the health battle and having to leave lane more often than they are. I have learned to like flash better than ghost. There are definitely times that I miss ghost while being chased. But, flash helps me counter flashy enemies better. They'll still give me the most trouble cause they can flash WAY more often than I can. But, it helps. Also, getting better with my stun is helping with the flashy enemies too. Actually being able to stun them after they flash on me stops the avalanche of damage they'd normally put on me. Everything Stranger said about Scooty, I second. Him ignoring top was bad, but he wasn't ignoring bottom. So, improvement, yes. Failure, no. I'm going to be more forceful with the blue as well. Game play: I liked bottom pushing hard and winning their lane early. Wish it had happened sooner. Like I said last night, it then opens you guys up to roam more. You can move to mid while me and jungler go top for a gank, etc. Kill the turret fast and early. Let's push to end laning sooner. Posted by Stranger on Aug. 22 2012,12:54
noob solder job! My solder is OP!! GG noob!
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 22 2012,13:07
Will of the Ancients is just about the AP equivalent. it gives me 50 AP and nearby allies 30 Ap and 20% life steal. Its a very good item but its a lil expensive for my budget and the items that build into it aren't ideal for me. Honestly its an item that you and Gordon could get and you would both benefit from the bonuses. I guess the Zeke's is good for Leisher cause he puts out that damage and helps keep him alive. And it also helps with scooty cause he is usually some sorta AD type champ. Posted by Stranger on Aug. 22 2012,13:23
< http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board....&page=2 >And i looked up to see if Will of the Ancients stacks when two different people get it and it does. 40% spell vamp now (it was nerfed from 25% a while back) is pretty damn good. you and gordo just need to be near each other... Which we know isn't a problem... Posted by GORDON on Aug. 22 2012,13:53
(Stranger @ Aug. 22 2012,15:54) QUOTE noob solder job! My solder is OP!! GG noob! i kno right this is the gayest solder since gay came to gaytown Posted by GORDON on Aug. 22 2012,13:55
(Stranger @ Aug. 22 2012,16:23) QUOTE < http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board....&page=2 > And i looked up to see if Will of the Ancients stacks when two different people get it and it does. 40% spell vamp now (it was nerfed from 25% a while back) is pretty damn good. you and gordo just need to be near each other... Which we know isn't a problem... Yeah, I started pushing dual WOA a few days ago. If 2 AP peeps and our support all get it, then all of a sudden we are stacking 60% Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 22 2012,14:26
Same is true of Zeke's Herald for life steal. Good stuff, that.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 22 2012,14:30
I think if we aren't stacking SOMETHING.... Frozen Mallet, WOA, whatever, then we are wrong.
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 23 2012,04:21
< http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Will_of_the_Ancients >No, three WOtA's will not stack, only 2. And since i dont need AP its a waste on me, so maybe Gordo and Cake could think of getting this. And since Zeke's helps our AD and our Jungler and it gives me health and cooldown reduction and is cheaper, i will be sticking to that item. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 23 2012,07:19
Item #1Changes coming to LoL according to a red: -They're going to revisit Guardian Armor and possibly drop stats on it. -After Season 2, they're going to "fix" top lane. Whatever that means. Item #2 < They are now banning folks for false reports. > Lots of funny in those links. Riot gets on the forum and actually posts stats on one of the peeps complaining about being banned for false reports. So be careful about your reports. Also, be aware that they do want to eventually add pre and post game chat to Tribunal. I'm sort of bummed about that. I think post game chat should be a free for all. Nothing better than staying silent through a game where folks are trash talking you, and then blasting them in post game chat. Item #3 The next patch's notes: Alistar Headbutt range reduced from 650 to 600. Base movement speed reduced to 300 from 305. Corki Valkyrie cool down time increased to 26/23/20/17/14 seconds from 20/18/16/14/12 seconds. Diana Crescent Strike damage reduced to70/110/150/190/230 (+0.7*AP) from 80/125/170/215/260 (+0.8*AP). Lunar Rush's cooldown increased to 25/20/15 seconds from 20/16/12 seconds. Base HP/5 reduced to 6 from 9. Evelynn Dark Frenzy 's cooldown lowered to 15 seconds at all levels from 20. Ravage's range increased from 225 from 185. Agony's Embrace cooldown reduced to 120/90/60 Seconds from 120/100/80 Seconds. Ezreal Essence Flux now deals 70/115/160/205/250 (+0.8*AP) magic damage from 80/130/180/230/280 (+0.7*AP) Mystic Shot's mana cost reduced to 28/31/34/37/40 Mana from 30/35/40/45/50 Mana. Gragas Body Slam's mana cost increased to 75 from 50. Graves Quick Draw's bonus attack speed lowered to 30/40/50/60/70% from 40/50/60/70/80%. Karthus Wall of Pain changed to "Magic Resist reduced by 15 % " from "Armor and Magic Resist reduced by 15/20/25/30/35 " and wall's length increase per rank is now showed in the tooltip. Nunu Ice Blast's attack speed and movement speed slow duration reduced to 3 seconds from 4 seconds. Shen Shadow Dash's cooldown increased to 16/14/12/10/8 Seconds from 10/9.5/9/8.5/8 Seconds. Twitch Expunge's damage increased to 40/50/60/70/80 from 20/35/50/65/80 and the mana cost has been decreased to 50/60/70/80/90 mana from 70/75/80/85/90 mana. Ziggs Mega Inferno Bomb's reduced damage to enemies further away from the center of the blast has been increased to 80% from 70%. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 23 2012,08:46
(Leisher @ Aug. 23 2012,10:19) QUOTE Item #2 < They are now banning folks for false reports. > Lots of funny in those links. Riot gets on the forum and actually posts stats on one of the peeps complaining about being banned for false reports. So be careful about your reports. Also, be aware that they do want to eventually add pre and post game chat to Tribunal. I'm sort of bummed about that. I think post game chat should be a free for all. Nothing better than staying silent through a game where folks are trash talking you, and then blasting them in post game chat. Welp, I aint banned, so I guess they don't consider my shit "false." Posted by Leisher on Aug. 23 2012,09:00
Apparently, they banned .2% of players reporting. Actually, I think the number is even smaller because I think it's .2% of another percentage of players reporting, but I can't find where I saw that. It's in the forums somewhere. Here's Pendragon calling out a player, by name, publicly and explaining why he was suspended for a week for false reporting: QUOTE FlavenMan,
In your 1100 games you have reported 896 people. You have issued reports in about 40% of all of your games (the average is roughly 5-8%). When dealing with That in and of itself wouldn't be a problem except that a very large percentage of these reports are inaccurate. Some stats: - You have 8 different games where you reported every other player in the game - You have 54 different games where you reported every other player on your team (very few of these were full premades) - Of these reports, a minimum of 60% of them are false (the criteria we did this) - You are reported in ~15% of your games (5-8x the average) Posted by GORDON on Aug. 23 2012,09:04
Reading comments, reporting people for "gg noobs" seems to be the majority attitude. Good for the community.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 28 2012,11:33
I want to play a ranked game and ban Corki, Graves, and Ezreal. How much would that screw up the pros since those are the AD Carries of choice?
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 29 2012,09:11
Just talked to Cakedaddy, he is changing hotels, hoping to have stable internet tonight, ha.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 29 2012,15:13
I'm going to get some food and then I'm going to fire up some solo queue games and see how the Internet does here. I've been at this hotel before and think I've played here, so. . . I'll keep you posted.
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 30 2012,12:42
< http://tournaments.leagueoflegends.com/s2-na-regionals >North American regionals are streaming all weekend. These are the best teams in NA right now. Watch and learn. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 30 2012,13:06
Been thinkng about my Nunu/Promote tactic in pvp. As we saw last night, it can work, but 3the things need to happen:Nunu needs to be solo in the lane. There has to be a jungler so Nunu is only laning against one enemy Got to place wards so i can not get caught too often by the jungle gank. I think i really surprised Yi in that lane when nunu came out aggressive and pushing hard. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 31 2012,16:08
I was looking forward to playing tonight but my wife is making me go out.The bitch. Posted by Stranger on Aug. 31 2012,16:32
ill be on a little later if anyone else is... gotta play that arcade Sona skin
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 31 2012,17:09
I will probably be on tonight but doubtful for sat and sun.Based on his wife's Facebook post, Gordo is out all night. So unless there's some Cakes on, it looks like yet another evening without LoL. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 02 2012,02:40
Sorry about my lack of availability. Tons going on. But, I have been squeezing in some practice. I wanted to add a third strong mid to my list. Ziggs and Veigar being the first two. I was watching the tournaments and two champs stood out. Twisted fate and Gragas. I've never seen Gragas played well, till today. He has a TON of utility and good escape ability.His Q is rolling the exploding barrel out. It explodes when activated or after a 5 second timer. W - Gives him a little bit of mana and increased damage and damage reduction. E - Dashes forward and slows/damages at first contact. R - Throws his barrel and it immediately explodes doing a whole bunch of damage and throws the enemies a good distance. In the tournament, he'd use his ult to scatter the enemy so they could isolate and focus. When the enemy team came in, he blow them apart. Some up closer to their turrets, some away, etc. The enemy, for the most part, would avoid him so he couldn't shoot them into danger. But when the action was crazy, it happened. His E can dash through walls. I've never had a champ that could do that, so remembering I can is hard right now. His Q has long distance, but it has some delay as the barrel travels. The W seems, for the most part, no big deal. It's free to cast, so I spam it. But not sure how much of a difference it makes. For the most part, I've been using it to push enemies away from friends if we are losing, or towards us if we are winning. Of course there are the times where I do the opposite by mistake as well. That will come with practice. I was messing around with Annie as well, but, I dunno. Good nuker with her bear and all. But. Too squishy and vulnerable. No escape other than her stun to stop pursuing enemies. Which works really well. But Veigar's is WAY better. I like that all of Gragas's abilities are AOE. So it team fights, I'm hitting everyone. Slowing the target. I'm pretty tanky with lots of health (but no resist. I go all AP.). I can move the enemy when I want. Ult has a pretty short cool down. Draw back. He's melee. So, it's hard to get last hits in mid against a ranged champ. Which almost all of them are. So, my early farm is somewhat weak. But I catch up pretty good when I start blowing up entire minion waves with one barrel. I think he'll make a good third mid option for us. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 02 2012,02:43
Oh ya. Update on Scooty. He says he's 'just waiting for an invite'. However, I'm not ready to give him one until I know he's on our page. I don't get a warm fuzzy about that yet. Told him he needed to focus on one champ again. Claims he's only played two lately. Neither of which were Rengar(or whatever his name is). But he said "You keep saying someone should play the new OP champ". I said "Ya, but don't practice in our games." Didn't take the conversation very far because it was clear that he still wasn't with us. He just doesn't see what he's doing wrong, and I can't get him to see it.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 02 2012,12:48
If I come back from the lake tonight will anyone be on?
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 02 2012,13:38
Yes
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 02 2012,14:24
I figured you would. I mean any of the part time players.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 02 2012,14:56
(Leisher @ Sep. 02 2012,17:24) QUOTE I figured you would. I mean any of the part time players. fuckers, all Posted by GORDON on Sep. 02 2012,16:15
Reloaded my system today so I will need a minute with one of y'all get my microphone set up, before the gaming starts.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 02 2012,17:59
Cake should be on between 10 and 11.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 02 2012,23:56
I was the dreaded random 5th in a game I just played. I picked Gragas cause I wanted more practice. Kayle was the second to pick and lock. She called mid. I figured it was a given I'd have it. I ask who she was going to support in mid. Another player says "Kayle in mid is fine. She doesn't have to support any more." Ok, RL friend of Kayle. Whatever you say. Then Rengar picked and locked and took smite. The Draven picked and locked. Mid Kayle and Draven. Awesome. The last waited till 7 seconds left to pick and went Blitz. He also took smite.So, two junglers. Kayle in mid. And Draven. Plus me. I hadn't seen a team lineup like this since playing as a level 5 player. Other team was: Hiemer, Naut, Ziggs, Kog and Teemo. I figured the only way we'd win is if two of the enemies dropped. So we spawn and the game starts. I head bottom as the rest of the team went top/blue. Draven says "Grag on bottom?". I said "Where does the double jungler, Kayle in mid team want me?" Draven said "I not sure either. lol" Yes. lol indeed. Then Rengar says "Smite can be used to farm bitch." Yes. I'm a bitch. As the game starts, I stay bottom solo as Draven and Blitz are top. I'm against Teemo and Kog. Two ranged against me, melee. I would harass with my barrels and was able to keep both of them below half health with me above half. They were picking away at my tower as I couldn't keep them off it with the minions. Then our jungler died to jungle spawn. Awesome. Continue holding bottom as long as I can. Jungler ganks top and there are kills on both sides. Then jungler dies in jungle again. I look at his build. He's got basic boots and dorans. Holy geez. Meanwhile, I'm still losing my turret with both of them now hovering around 25% health. Jungler still ganks mid and top. Under the enemy turrets. Meanwhile, I've got two almost dead enemies under MY turret. This is when I say "I'm the random 5th to your 4 man premade team, aren't I." Draven says "NNNNooooooooooooo!" Yay. It's like playing with bots. But at least bots will sometimes come help you. Whatever. Good practice. The other team had a good kill lead at like 10 to 3 at this point. At one point, Teemo and Kog managed to kill me and they were almost dead. This catches the attention of our jungler and he runs down to finish them off. I'm not good enough to help. But if I set up two easy kills, he'll take those, I guess. He jumps in. They open up on him. They are both below 25% at start of fight and he's at 80%. 3 seconds later, they are both still alive and he's dead. The game continues, still being ignored at bottom. Still only getting any attention at bottom if I die and the enemy is weak. Rengar is still trying to finish them but dying in the process. My turret goes down. But, top and mid have been doing better than me. Enemy top turret falls. After I spawn, I see enemy bottom in mid against my team. I join the fight. At this point, things start turning around. Draven is starting to score a lot of kills and getting fed. We push mid and take their turret. Team fighting continues and we continue to push mid over time. Take the next turret down. I break off to split push bottom. Kill one turret and while hitting the next, they come to defend and I leave. Game continues with them chasing every enemy champion around the board and me pushing. They didn't like to push. Only kills champs. But, the enemy team kept fighting them which let me continue to split push picking the lanes furthest from the enemy. We pull ahead in kills and have their lanes pushed far. Eventually, we are very ahead in kills, Draven is super fed, but they still won't push. They will stop pushing, go farm buffs, then just enemies again. I'm thinking that we are going to lose because they won't push and the enemy will catch up in farm. So, I start pushing their base forcing the enemy to respond to me. And since the enemy was on me, in their base, my team joined me. So, my team would kill the enemy and I would push their base. This continued until we were actually hitting their Nexus turrets. Then my team joined in the push so they could kill their Nexus. Well, except that as their Nexus was near death, they all suicide run into the enemy spawn. I was ashamed that we won that game. How. In THE FUCK. Do those 4 FUUUUUUCKING douche bags, draw an enemy team like that? We NEVER do. We had a jungler, who couldn't survive the basic jungle spawns. A blitz with smite. A support character farming mid. Me being ignored on bottom, and Teemo and Kog not being able to kill me more. I went 6/5/6. Draven went 28/2/8. Jungler was 3/10/5. Enemy Teemo went 13/9/2 and was the only one with a positive ratio. Naut went 0/13/6. Etc. I HATED that we won that game. I really did. I will admit that Draven was actually really good with that character. He was bouncing his blades really well. The rest of my team was average, at best. I'm seriously ashamed we won that game. I hate knowing those 4 people were happy at the end of it. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 03 2012,10:36
For the record, I didn't rage quit last night, was just really tired.I don't really like starting so late. Also I could have done without the "gg faggot." Makes me have less fun than I am already having being on the receiving end of impossibly hard ganks at level 2. I was quite enjoying the "mute enemy team" function. I wish it hadn't stopped working near the end. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 03 2012,18:45
Gordo logged off 44 seconds before I got on, and now I see everyone else on.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 03 2012,21:46
Won all three TT games tonight. All three were Noc, Sona and Teemo. I found it funny that we ended the night last night saying that support had no place on TT given the need for burst damage and/or tankyness. Three tanks can do well, three nukers/carries could do well, etc. But support really didn't have a place.It's hard for me to judge Sona's effectiveness yet as I haven't seen her enough. In one game we are calling for heals because we are almost dead and the heal puts just a small tick of health back. The next game, I'm pushing minions after an ace and Sona is following me and healing and I'm seeing my health jump up pretty good. And of course it's impossible to quantify how helpful her damage/resist buffs are in the middle of a fight since you can't 'see' it. But, bottom line, fight after fight, we were winning. And some with multiples of us with around 11 hp left. We were fighting champs that were able to out damage us, and just BARELY surviving after scoring kills. So, those fights, her bonuses made the difference. Would we have been better off with another damage dealer in there? Hard to say. Because she's also got that stun. That stun allows her team mates to do a ton of free damage. So, in my opinion, the jury is still out on whether support has a place on TT. All that being said, we had some of the best team fighting we've had in a very long time. As in, playing as a smart team. First game, we steamrolled them. Started pushing early game and just ran right through them. Second game, they had three champs with heavy early game damage. Se we were pushed back to our nexus turret and turtling. But, we farmed, picked our fights wisely and came back to win. Honestly, I never felt like that game was out of control. We played the game we had to. Never felt in danger of losing. There were a couple of times a fight would start earlier than I was ready because someone got caught in Darius's axe. But even then, the damage was kept to a minimum. We'd lose someone, but would take someone with us removing their ability to push our nexus turret. There was one time where we were baited out by Darius and Ren and Olaf started hitting our nexus turret. Thought he was going to get it. But, we got there in time and pushed him off. So, we did have one close call. Last game, it was pretty even in the beginning. Neither team had a big advantage. But once team fighting started, we just played better again. In all three games, our team play was outstanding. Smart. Patient. Etc. Was Sona the difference tonight? Stranger instead of Gordon? Nah. I think it was our ability to limit mistakes, capitalize on the enemy's mistakes and just play smarter over all. Much like our game last night. One late game miscommunication cost us the game. I was going in to snipe the dragon and steal a champ kill. My team thought I was initiating a team fight. We got slaughtered as they had been dominating us all game. Should I have let the dragon go? Sure. It wasn't going to be a game changer either way. My team could have defended without me, so it would have been dragon gold and a champ kill in exchange for my death. Good trade, I think. But again, not a game changer. That encounter had merit, but was performed horribly. We made no mistakes like that tonight. This supports my theory that the way we play > the champs we pick. Of course we have to pick a balanced team and not be stupid about it. But how you play is more important than who you play. Posted by Stranger on Sep. 04 2012,06:20
It is hard to see what Sona is doing when it just looks like she is just floating around out there and just throwing out small heals and giving off aura's. but when i can get her cooldown reduction up i can really start to spam them heals and they add up over time. So no, she isn't gonna pull off a gamebraking heal like a soraka would, but she will help sustain and keep ya in lane after a small fight. Also Sona's passive all has to do with her autoattacks, so its hard to see anything going on there. But it basically does something different depending on what aura im putting off at the time. So if im putting off the bonus AD/AP aura (this is when sona has the blue circles around her) her basic attacks do double damage. This is how i seem to always get a couple of kills a game cause it really does hit pretty hard. If Sona is giving the Armor/Magic resist aura (green circles) she heals closest ally, and her auto attacks now reduce the targeted enemy's damage by 20%. this is a nice, and i always try and put this on the hardest hitting enemy that is out there. finally, Sona also has a speed buff to all allies with her E. But her passive auto attack will slow enemy champs by like 25%. i use this when we are chasing or being chased. So Sona is basically the utility queen. Whatever the team needs she can provide. Armor, Magic resist, AD, AP, debuff a hard hitting enemy, slow them down, and an AOE stun to top it off. And as far as the support on TT goes, i wanted to try it just to see how it would work out. I think it does have a place in TT, You guys were able to get ALL the minions! i can play support and still get more gold then an Olaf and Darius that were splitting minions. This also made Teemo so much harder hitting than those two making them not so scary at all once we got to mid game. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 04 2012,07:04
Stranger's support has given me more sustain and damage. I don't know how we were playing for so long without a support.I am out tonight as I'm working. Tomorrow is golf night, so if I'm on, it'll be late. Should be back to normal Thursday. Oh, and since school has begun I should be online earlier most nights as the kids will be in bed earlier now. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 04 2012,09:05
I still think it was more about how well we played, than who we played. I think we could have replaced Sona with the dude on the horse, as long as we played as smart as we did. Point is, I don't think it was support that won the games, but good, smart playing.Perhaps it's not so much full on support, as it is letting two team mates farm and the third, well, supporting. In most games, we try to farm equally. If anyone is behind, we give them one of the lanes to themselves to catch up. And perhaps that's why we are turtling so much. The other team farms up some damage dealers and we can't keep up. But if Singed took on a support role instead, I think we would have had similar results. Give Teemo the farm and just use Singed to create opportunities. Singed has way more health than Sona. Can flip enemies to our advantage. Has the constant AOE poison. The glue and good escape ability. Give him money runes/masteries so he doesn't need minions. (Strangers runes/masteries allowed him to have the same amount of gold at 21 minions and 3 kills as Olaf with 130+ minions and 9 kills. When I played 'support' Gragas, I took no minions and Leisher thought I was under farmed. But, I had three full items and the expensive part of a 4th by the end of the game. Not behind at all.) Let Teemo and Noc do the damage, like last night. So now we have an initiator, instead of a healer. So, yes, he's playing more of a support role, but he's not a full on support champ. He's tanky, does team damage, etc. Hard to say. We all agreed that the Darius we faced last night was a bad one. The Olaf on their team had a crazy build, or was just a bad player as well. And they gave us a really hard time till late game. So, again, I'm not convinced that it's a support champ that is the key to victory. In EVERY case, we simply have to play better than the other team. Which we definitely did last night. Not saying support is stupid, etc. But let's not put too much on it either. We'll definitely keep using it to see how things go. But lets see how we do the rest of the week. It's not uncommon at all for us to lose to a team with no support champs. In fact, it's uncommon to see support champs on TT. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 04 2012,10:34
I think it's a mix of factors:1. Support. In terms of TT, it's obviously not required for success as we've done well without it, and been rolled by teams without it. In terms of SR, I think it's essential. 2. Team comp. It's all about having one person who doesn't have to farm. 2 lanes, but 3 people equals 1 or 2 people are starving or not building quick enough. 3. Teamwork. We played very well like you said. Hey stranger, < they're going to tweak Sona's new skin for the better. > Posted by Leisher on Sep. 04 2012,20:51
< Pool party Ziggs and Astronautilus arrived. >< Double bonus RP for a limited time. > Posted by GORDON on Sep. 06 2012,15:35
I'm home now, but tired. Let's not start real late.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 10 2012,04:25
The way they we so often get rolled like we aren't even playing, and then sometimes like last night where half a team can't even seem to hurt Singed, makes me think that 95% of the people in the game are all cheating and using hacks, and every now and then we play people who aren't.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 10 2012,18:27
Yeah.Just jumped into solo queue, and right out of the gate 3 out of the 5 are complete douchebags, and I'm the 5th guy. Nobody from here seems to be on any more. I am assuming people are losing interest and moving on, and we no longer have even a reliable 3-man team, much less trying to find a stable 5th. Unless I hear otherwise, I am going to move on to some other game, because I can't deal with hitlers. Or, possibly, post an ad for normal peeps looking for a permanent 5th, if I can't find anything else I want to play. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 10 2012,19:28
Get Borderlands 2.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 10 2012,19:37
Is it balls-out pvp?
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 10 2012,20:01
Have fun assembling a SWAT team.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 10 2012,20:20
Dude. Excuse me for having a life outside of the game. I'm building golf clubs.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 10 2012,20:22
Cute.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 10 2012,20:24
When I play with hitlers, it's RARELY to boost my win/loss ratio. It's practice. I auto lock whatever champ I'm training on regardless of how it fits the team comp. They can rage all they want. I don't care. I'm not there for them. I do all of my practicing away from the team, so when I'm with the team, I'm contributing. Practicing against bots is only good for learning your spell combos. To really learn the champ, you have to play people. And I'm not going to drag the team down while I learn.So, stop playing with hitlers looking for a 'good game'. That is WAY too rare. Do it for your team. You'd be way better at Nunu if you'd played half of your practice games with hitlers. You learned how to play against real people in our games. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 10 2012,20:29
Just played a game.Cass calls mid, everyone else is silent. i am just waiting to go where no one else does. Ga,me starts, Cass goes mid and Darius goes bottom. No one else moves. I figure I would be a good support for Darius and go bottom, too. He and I are there waiting for the game to start and Warwick starts coming bottom, too, leaving Lux alone up top. I say, "I think bottom is covered." Silence. Lux, alone at top, says, "Ummmm..." Darius says, "Warwick is my babe so fuckoff faggots." Ok. I go top. I suggest, "Communication might be a good idea." I get some variation of "fuck off faggot." Lux and I hold top ok, even though Warwick or Darius would have been better with Lux... 8 or 9 minutes in, I need to recall out. I see mid getting pushed and Cass in spawn, so I teleport to take pressure off middle turret. Cass starts raging at me "faggot get out of my lane." I just really think I am done with the hitlers. And I don't have a team that can play when I want, so I don't know where that leaves me. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 10 2012,20:31
Spamming the mute button.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 10 2012,21:24
Besides Teemo, who else has rapid fire AP damage?
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 11 2012,09:18
QUOTE Nobody from here seems to be on any more. I am assuming people are losing interest and moving on, and we no longer have even a reliable 3-man team, much less trying to find a stable 5th. Unless I hear otherwise, I am going to move on to some other game, because I can't deal with hitlers. QUOTE And I don't have a team that can play when I want, so I don't know where that leaves me. Somebody needs a hug. Could you be more specific? You posted that second quote after we played last night... Posted by GORDON on Sep. 11 2012,09:21
(Leisher @ Sep. 11 2012,12:18) QUOTE QUOTE Nobody from here seems to be on any more. I am assuming people are losing interest and moving on, and we no longer have even a reliable 3-man team, much less trying to find a stable 5th. Unless I hear otherwise, I am going to move on to some other game, because I can't deal with hitlers. QUOTE And I don't have a team that can play when I want, so I don't know where that leaves me. Somebody needs a hug. Could you be more specific? You posted that second quote after we played last night... Actually, I posted it right before we played last night. Didn't we start sometime after 11? I am typically ready to play by 9:30, latest. Sometimes earlier. Almost every night. I am alone in my Posted by Leisher on Sep. 11 2012,10:35
(GORDON @ Sep. 11 2012,12:21) QUOTE (Leisher @ Sep. 11 2012,12:18) QUOTE QUOTE Nobody from here seems to be on any more. I am assuming people are losing interest and moving on, and we no longer have even a reliable 3-man team, much less trying to find a stable 5th. Unless I hear otherwise, I am going to move on to some other game, because I can't deal with hitlers. QUOTE And I don't have a team that can play when I want, so I don't know where that leaves me. Somebody needs a hug. Could you be more specific? You posted that second quote after we played last night... Actually, I posted it right before we played last night. Didn't we start sometime after 11? I am typically ready to play by 9:30, latest. Sometimes earlier. Almost every night. I am alone in my Well since school has begun again, I'll be available around the same time nightly. Until poker starts, it which case I'm out on Mondays. Still, I could point out that you selfishly took vacations throughout the summer with your family, and did things like going to the drive-in that discredit your theory about your availability. Don't get me started on Cake who rudely stays in hotels with shitty internet. Stranger has been a part time player due to his band and wedding, as if they're more important than LoL, and soon will be MIA thanks to Borderlands 2. Scooty and Troy are apparently dead, or might as well be, since being whipped is the same thing. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 11 2012,11:30
(Leisher @ Sep. 11 2012,13:35) QUOTE Still, I could point out that you selfishly took vacations throughout the summer with your family, and did things like going to the drive-in that discredit your theory about your availability. ... Stranger has been a part time player due to his band and wedding, as if they're more important than LoL, and soon will be MIA thanks to Borderlands 2. . I still say I am available more than anyone else, even with a missing few days here and there. And, stranger has a Yoko, doesn't he. She's breaking up the band. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 11 2012,15:11
I would argue that over the summer I was the most available. I played a lot of LoL too.Stranger doesn't have a Yoko or he'd disappear. I think I named the folks who disappeared. Posted by Stranger on Sep. 11 2012,15:25
im not quitting LOL boys.. although i will be torn, if it comes down to playing a TT or Borderlands 2 i think im gonna chose B2. But if we can at least play some SR ill be down.I've ivested too much time and money to quit now Posted by GORDON on Sep. 11 2012,15:26
Yoko wont let you play once that ring goes on.Just ask Troy. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 11 2012,15:30
(GORDON @ Sep. 11 2012,17:26) QUOTE Just ask Troy. He's that bad? Posted by GORDON on Sep. 11 2012,15:36
(Malcolm @ Sep. 11 2012,18:30) QUOTE (GORDON @ Sep. 11 2012,17:26) QUOTE Just ask Troy. He's that bad? He literally played all the time up until his wedding. Then he was gone a couple weeks in Europe or something on honeymoon. And he never got back on since then. Yoko. Balls. Jar on a shelf. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 11 2012,15:38
I think Stranger will avoid the Yoko thing. However, we do need to resolve this issue of a regular 5th. P.S. I am really going to try to get on tonight, but I'm still sick as fuck. The strippers on Gordo's end of town are apparently more of a bio hazard than normal strippers. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 11 2012,15:44
(Leisher @ Sep. 11 2012,18:38) QUOTE I think Stranger will avoid the Yoko thing. However, we do need to resolve this issue of a regular 5th. P.S. I am really going to try to get on tonight, but I'm still sick as fuck. The strippers on Gordo's end of town are apparently more of a bio hazard than normal strippers. I wouldn't go to that club, and I live 3 miles from it and the next nearest one is 20 miles away. I thought you played a lot better when medicated, last night. :-D Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 11 2012,17:02
We need to get a hold of Javelin from UO. He was dedicated and very much a team player. I have lost his contact info though, since I don't use ICQ any more.I have played close to twice as much LOL than anyone else. I'm also ready to play most nights by 9:30, but when I see only Gordon on, I do something else because I don't want to play with hitler, and neither does Gordon. I will play instead of sleeping. I'm the most dedicated. If Gordon has anything to do the next day, he does not play the night before. He NEVER plays when he's on the road. The only time I don't play is when I have no connection to the Internet. Which is rare. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 11 2012,17:35
I'm the most onenest.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 11 2012,17:58
I'm more oner than you are.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 11 2012,18:01
I'm on right now and no one else is. I just watched an entire episode of Better Off Ted at my PC while waiting for someone to get on.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 11 2012,18:07
I'm studying team comp possibilities knowing the Leisher isn't on right now. So, I'm building concept teams. You are watching TV. I think that makes me better.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 11 2012,18:08
Better in that you are better at trying to play catchup with my skillz.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 11 2012,18:12
I just thought of a better comeback:You are only better than me at 2 things: sucking, and dying. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 12 2012,10:47
I will be on tonight around 9:30.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 12 2012,10:51
I probably will be too since apparently I am a masochist. :-)
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 12 2012,18:03
It's about time for you fuckers to start torturing me with your shittiness. Let's go.Also I have been drinking so I am extra funny. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 17 2012,22:16
Just played a solo queue game to practice Veigar some more. The whole team wanted mid. Then everyone was saying we should just do that. Then people started picking for balance, but still saying push mid. We ended up with Viegar, Zyra (the plant chick), Ezreal, Vlad and Galio. They had Teemo, Yorick, Fizz, Karthus and Olaf.They were talking about waiting mid and ganking from bushes. Instead, we went right for their blue. We got their blue and scored a kill since we were all there. Then Zyra and I took mid and push Fizz hard. Vlad went top against yorick and was failing big time. Galio and Ez were bottom. We were pushing mid turret pretty hard and doing a lot of poke damage to Fizz. Olaf was no where to be seen. My lag got me killed and then I went top to gank Yorick. But, he was ahead of both me and Vlad in levels and we couldn't kill him. He hurt us pretty bad too. I went back to mid and we push Fizz some more and took mid turret. Then Zyra went top to help Vlad and I went bottom. Olaf is starting to show up but is ineffective. Fizz comes bottom to defend. We just kept the pressure on the whole time. Poke, focus, push. Bottom tower fell and we lost our top. Yorick was beating Vlad and Zyra. They would kill him, but he'd get both of them. I went top to gank and we got him with only one loss. Then we all went mid and pushed real hard. They were defending our 5 with their three. We'd push the minions, dive the turret and push them back. We were doing good damage to the turret. Their second mid fell. We all went top and pushed there. Basically, the game just continued with us pushing random lanes, as a team, real hard. If they defended, we pushed anyway. They never had 5 to defend with because we'd always end up focusing one of them and killing them. Just kept pushing and pushing. Switching lanes the whole time. But we wouldn't stop pushing any given lane till we took something from it. At one point, Ez did split off and took a couple towers here and there alone. None of us would go back and heal. We'd just keep poking at them. And if one came out too far, they were getting stunned, slowed, taunted and killed. Basically, we skipped early laning and just started randomly roaming. We fell behind a bit in levels at first. But we constantly had them on their heals. Any time they tried to respond, we'd shut them down. Alone with all of this, my team mates were really smart. We all knew who to focus and didn't die. Yes, we did die eventually. But there were no suicide dives. We'd hit and fall back. Hit and fall back. But, because we all focused the same person, our damage was way more effective. It was the most aggressive I've played in a very long time. I'm a basic attack away, but not going to heal. I'm staying with the team. And when I'd see galio taunt, or Zyra stun, or an enemy over extend for a kill, I'd stun and hit them with something. The rest of the team would focus, and they'd go down. Over and over. The other team wasn't bad. They just didn't know how to respond. Or rather, they never responded as a team. When we started losing lanes, we'd over flow the lane and push it hard. We never had to play defense because our strong offense had them on defense the whole time. Fun game, and fun tactic. It started out as a joke game that we were going to do stupid stuff (I almost quit champ selection). Then it started working REALLY well and we got a little more serious, but kept the random stuff going. I ended up 10/4/14. We as a team were down about 2/12 early game. Didn't even look at what the end game score was. But it couldn't have been pretty. Neither team had 5 people at level 18. We had them out leveled over all by between 2-5 levels. They surrendered. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 18 2012,18:51
14:41, 1v5, as Nunu. I was tapping on their Nexus at 12:00 but I was too weak to sustain when they all showed up.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 20 2012,10:31
< Honor system almost here. >
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 22 2012,19:24
This dude is owning us playing with nothing but a pen in his mouth.< http://www.nbcnews.com/technol....6037954 > Posted by Leisher on Sep. 25 2012,17:56
< Honor system badges? >Rengar wasn't quite strong enough apparently... Although, he is getting nerfed... Rengar Battle Roar ( W ) - magic damage reduced to 60 / 100 / 140 / 180 / 220 from 75 / 120 / 165 / 210 / 255 Battle Roar ( W ) - bonus armor and magic resist reduced to 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 from 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 / 60 Savagery ( Q ) - Cooldown increased to 8/7.5/7/6.5/6 from 6/6/6/6/6. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 26 2012,06:22
Was thinking this morning that when Stranger returns from his Borderlands 2 vacation, he is going to suuuuuck!
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 26 2012,06:25
Still unsure of the "why can't you do both? concept. I am playing Borderlands, yet am still on when it is time for LOL. SOmetimes have to spend 5 minutes getting to a save point, but still.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 26 2012,06:44
QUOTE Still unsure of the "why can't you do both? concept. I am playing Borderlands, yet am still on when it is time for LOL. SOmetimes have to spend 5 minutes getting to a save point, but still. Nah, you know the deal. It's his favorite. Thus, other things take a back seat until he's got it worked out a bit. I've got no issue with that. At least not until we have a steady 5th in LoL. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 26 2012,18:48
I think it's pretty messed up he's abandoning the team. I've got a hell work schedule, etc, but still play. Often, I'm running on 4 hours of sleep the next day so I don't let you guys down.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 26 2012,18:52
He repaired my circuit board so I am not going to criticize him for a while. I'm just glad I didn't have to do anything involving my mouth.Stranger is awesome. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 26 2012,20:39
QUOTE I'm just glad I didn't have to do anything involving my mouth. I assume that's code for "don't ask about my anus..." Posted by Stranger on Sep. 27 2012,06:50
i haven't abandoned anybody. just because i have been playing another game for one week doesn't mean anything. Sorry that has happened, but i've been playing for just over a year now and it kinda feels good to take a break for a little bit. I still love playing LOL, but i've looked forward to B2 for a long time and its what i choose to play right now. And the fact that i'm getting married next week makes the nights when i do get to play a lot less right now. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 27 2012,07:01
You can always just move the wedding back.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 27 2012,07:10
Actually, I'm ok with taking a break for BL2 as well, but not 6 months or anything. I think it we put as much time into BL2 as we do LoL, we could knock it out in a month, maybe two. (And there are three of us on the BL2 co-op train right now...)
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 27 2012,07:14
I'm going to be out of town until tomorrow afternoon, but this weekend would be as good a time as any to kick off.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 27 2012,08:08
(Malcolm @ Sep. 27 2012,10:14) QUOTE I'm going to be out of town until tomorrow afternoon, but this weekend would be as good a time as any to kick off. I assume you aren't going to let me wait until it is on sale. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 27 2012,08:20
(GORDON @ Sep. 27 2012,11:08) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Sep. 27 2012,10:14) QUOTE I'm going to be out of town until tomorrow afternoon, but this weekend would be as good a time as any to kick off. I assume you aren't going to let me wait until it is on sale. I paid full price. It's the first game I've bought for full price in years. I didn't do that to not play it until the Steam Christmas sales when it's $49.99 instead of $59.99. Cake said he'd buy it right now and play if we played his way, so if he's willing to pay full price, then so should you. Although, be aware that it'll probably just be the three of us. I have a feeling Cake won't be joining us... Let's please move this conversation back to the BL2 thread...[U] Posted by GORDON on Sep. 27 2012,09:23
We won 3 out of 3 games last night.... I assume Riot changed the data stream yesterday and broke all the cheating programs for a couple days.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 27 2012,09:48
The last three nights we've gone:3-1 1-2 3-0 Not bad. Last night was a huge improvement though as we didn't do a lot of early feeding in any of the games. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 28 2012,12:07
I'm out tonight. Will be on tomorrow between 10-11.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 28 2012,12:14
By the way, < told you so... >
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 30 2012,03:22
Posted the question on how Annie could get her ult cool down to 60 seconds with no CDR items. Mentioned that I was under the impression CDR maxed at 40%. Said that I thought she was cheating.First response was that it was impossible to cheat. Mentioned that I've see videos. Asked them not to tell me I didn't see what I saw. I'm guessing I'll get flamed, sooner than later. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 30 2012,04:23
Did some research.You can have a total of 45.43% CDR with runes and masteries. However, the max CDR you can have is 40%. 40% of 120 seconds is 48 seconds. So, the shortest her cool down could have been was 72 seconds. I swear I saw her casting faster than 72 seconds. And, she claimed to have it at 60 seconds in chat. Since you KNOW if she's admitting 60 seconds, it was probably 50 seconds. At least she was smart enough to not have two on the screen at once. In summary. I was surprised to find you could get that much CDR in runes/masteries. It's still impossible to get CDR down to 60 seconds on Annie's ult. I really wish someone had been recording that. Would have had video evidence to confirm our suspicions by watching her cool down timer. Reminder: ******* PLEASE POST THE LINK TO THE RECORDING SOFTWARE!! ******* Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 30 2012,11:59
Reminder:******* PLEASE POST THE LINK TO THE RECORDING SOFTWARE!! ******* Posted by Leisher on Sep. 30 2012,21:19
< Link for LoL Replay. >By the way, they invented this awesome thing called Google. You should try it sometime. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 30 2012,22:01
I didn't want to have to wade through the flood of links that SAY they are what I'm looking for.Plus, you said multiple times that you'd post it. Thank you. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 01 2012,07:28
I said it once actually. And all you have to do is go anywhere on you tube or the LoL site to find out what folks are using. That's what I did. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 01 2012,10:18
< Honor system is live. >
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 05 2012,11:41
LOL Replay - the saved games take up between 3 and 8MB each.Just FYI. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 06 2012,13:04
Some peeps just invited themselves over tonight, so I am guessing I will be on about midnight.I expect everyone there. Including Stranger. PROVE you still have possession of your balls... Posted by Leisher on Oct. 08 2012,10:44
< Reddit thread about the cheating at the world championships. >![]() Posted by Leisher on Oct. 08 2012,10:45
So to sum up:We are honestly probably much better than our records indicate (we're over .500), but a lot of folks are cheating. This does tend to explain a lot of games where the opponents always seem to know where we are, yet when we look for wards, we never see any... Posted by GORDON on Oct. 08 2012,15:55
I wonder if the hack..... gets to the server in some way. And that player didn't deactivate it before the tournament, or couldn't, or something. I always assumed tournaments were not played on their own PCs, to keep things like 3rd party apps from happening... though I guess a hack could be applied with something as simple as plugging in a thumb drive.I wonder if a RIOT admin can hook up their buddies with a map hack. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 08 2012,16:42
LOLReplay now shows every champion in the game. It used to only show your team with health and effects only appearing for your character.So something changed in Riot's code, and I'm sure that's where this map hack has appeared. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 08 2012,17:29
Yeah, that's true. i wonder if you could run LOL Replay at the same time as the game, but only show it as a minimap...Everybody cheats. Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 08 2012,17:58
From what I'm reading, they are saying that he was turning around and looking at the jumbo screen above the enemy players. Thus, seeing the whole board with no FOW. I didn't see anyone saying that he had something running on his PC. They are highlighting his ping on the enemy team, not an extra app/mini map.Not saying I don't believe their are mapping hacks out there. Just saying, the cheating in this instance is him exploiting the stage setup for enemy intel. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 09 2012,08:48
There are indeed map hacks. Gordo's posted links in the LOL cheat thread shows them with votes verifying their working condition. There are Youtube videos showing them working too.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 11 2012,07:15
< Riot issues ruling and fine on cheaters at World Playoffs. >
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 11 2012,21:01
Have been practicing Rengar quite a bit. I am officially ready to take him into the field. So, I call jungle this weekend! My early game jungling is still kind of slow, but I scale up very quickly now. Getting better at picking the right time to ult and strike. Finally had a game against Kah Zyx and got him. I would kill him early game, but nothing would happen. Then, late in the game. The "secondary quest" came up. Thrill of the Hunt. We both went cautious then. hehe. We would travel with the team only. I didn't like playing like that because I was holding my burst damage back for fear of dying. Plus, I knew the enemy team would focus me as assists win the quest as well as kills. Wanting to try to get things going, I broke from my team and went top, from mid, by my self. Made my presence known, and pulled back into the water. Enemy Yi had also been top and my team pinged him as target. Not seeing Kah Zyx in mid any more, I knew he was coming for me. Ashe sight arrowed their jungle revealing Kah, Kayle and one other. Don't remember. I wait for the fighting to start. When the enemies saw Ashe's arrow, they started falling back. However, Kah had over extended looking for me in the water. He was cut off from his allies and I had Ashe and one other team mate targeting him. I jumped into the fight and scored the killing blow. I THINK my team mates pulled their last hits to make sure I got it. So, I scored my first Kah kill. I was disappointed in the reward though. All it does is max out my bone item, and keeps it maxed. I won't lose it regardless of how many deaths I have. So, that game, it didn't matter as I had gone 12/5/9 that game. My bone was already maxed and had been maxed. I didn't anticipate losing it either. However, in a game I'm not doing too well in, it would be a pretty good boost. You know, a good boost. On a character that really needs it. . . .I can insta pop Teemo (one game, enemy Teemo was raging and raging in all chat when I'd kill him. If I saw him, I went after him. Can easily solo him.), I was able to solo Yi 4 out of 5 times. Nunu kicked my ass though. I think Nasus could too, but he would never fight me. I can solo Blitz. Still learning all the champs I can solo. I was surprised to be able to take Yi though. Did it without spending my Exhaust too. Anyway, I've practiced a lot and am looking forward to our games with him. Have not tried him on TT yet, but, I think I'd be able to do pretty well there too. Will learn more quickly who I can solo on TT. Assuming I go top. Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 11 2012,21:25
Just played a quick TT. Was on a good team. They surrendered at 15. I played Ren the same as Noc against Jax. He can beat me up, but Ren has more survivability it seems. Just barely though. His ult gives him the advantage. And my ult also gives me excellent gank ability. I can come in without them knowing it and burst their weak player. I went 3/1/3 my first TT game. But again, my team was good, so it made it easier. But, just from that one game, I think Ren is viable on TT.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 13 2012,19:49
Peeps be all asking me when I will get on to play, then Friday and Saturday night I am the only one on to play.Friday AND Saturday. Leisher was around Friday. Cakedaddy is online Saturday but not responding to messages. So all y'all can suck a bag of dicks. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 13 2012,20:27
I was on all night Friday, and was on at 11 p.m. exactly tonight. Also told you both that I wouldn't be on until late Saturday, so you can keep your bags of dicks, and suck 'em yourself.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 13 2012,20:36
I can't suck them because you and Cakedaddy finished the whole bag in like a minute because you guys really like them so much.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 13 2012,21:17
I'm gonna make you eat my shit, then shit out my shit, and then eat your shit that's made up of my shit that I made you eat.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 13 2012,21:24
no YOU are the one who will be eating shit
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 14 2012,01:17
While you guys are eating shit, I'm going to play League.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 15 2012,11:38
S3 is coming, and with it will be changes to top lane, items, and masteries...No details on any of that stuff yet, but they're all coming. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 16 2012,14:40
< Jungling is going to change... >
Posted by Stranger on Oct. 16 2012,16:14
Ill be on tonight. Anyone else plan on playing?
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 16 2012,18:49
No, we're all at work. Not kidding. Sitting in my office, Cake is in the server room terminating, and Gordo is out grabbing pizzas.
Posted by Stranger on Oct. 16 2012,19:06
aww hell. tell the boys i said hey. and Im almost ready for some PC gaming!!
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 16 2012,22:37
I plan on playing when i get home at 3am.
Posted by Stranger on Oct. 17 2012,13:49
ya'll working again tonight?
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 17 2012,15:52
Nope. I should be on for a bit tonight.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 17 2012,18:31
< The new Twisted Treeline. >No more turtling... Posted by Stranger on Oct. 18 2012,10:02
New TT looks pretty sweet! i may actally like to play it now. Its kinda nice to not play for a while because the game keeps changing and when you come back there are tons of new features, champs, items.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 18 2012,10:15
Sona, Blitz, Rengar, and Ezreal are all getting nerfed, and they're wiping out turtling in TT.Sometimes it feels like they're targeting our team. Posted by Stranger on Oct. 19 2012,06:40
So i was able to get on and play a couple games lastnight to test my new PC (without my video card that is). All i've gotta say is AMAZING!!I never seen League look so good, i have seen some good quality on the streams but never anything like this. I was able to play with all settings on high and get a steady 60 FPS. I was able to play at 1900 x 1280 or whatever the highest resolution is, compared to the 1200 x 800 i was playing before. i can see so much more of the board and the scrolling was so much smoother. Not to mention the effects that i never even knew existed before. It was much easier to play. Like i said this was just with the onboard graphics from the CPU. I'll be on to play tonight for sure! Posted by GORDON on Oct. 19 2012,09:26
This just turned into a School Night for us, so we wont be up late.
Posted by Stranger on Oct. 19 2012,09:40
aww hell. we can't seem to get on the same schedule here
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 19 2012,10:37
Well, we're going to be working tomorrow morning, and then we either push through until we're done, or we have a normal day and then come in Sunday too. I'll be pushing to just get it all done. So we'll hopefully, be back to gaming again Sunday...? Posted by GORDON on Oct. 19 2012,14:45
(Stranger @ Oct. 19 2012,12:40) QUOTE aww hell. we can't seem to get on the same schedule here Yeah, one way or another this project is coming to a close within 72 hours. Then things are back to normal. Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 19 2012,15:13
What in the holy hells are y'all doing? We've had nothing but seemingly random failures in every environment at work the entire week, and even I get to leave after forty hours.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 19 2012,15:39
It's technical....Just doing a lot of work in a short time frame. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 20 2012,08:09
QUOTE Also of note is the soft Elo reset to Twisted Treeline and Summoner’s Rift on November 6.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 21 2012,17:07
We are either pushing through to get it done, or we are working Sunday. . . How about both!! That was a long 27 hours. I'm happy that the pain while typing this isn't overwhelming.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 21 2012,19:07
The first 20 hours weren't so bad, but I hit a wall at about 22 hours. Got over it by hour 26 just in time to drive home, thank goodness.Still missing my screwdriver. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 22 2012,10:24
Can't wait to play this again. I believe my evenings are now going to be BL2, LoL, and The Walking Dead. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 22 2012,18:46
hay guys i just played a game of LOL
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 23 2012,09:46
No BL2 tonight, so let's get our LoL on...I'll be on between 9-9:30. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 23 2012,10:47
Same.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 23 2012,13:56
I was really looking forward to starting BL2 tonight. League it is.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 24 2012,08:29
Played three ranked TT games last night. Won 2, lost 1.First game was against a very aggressive team. They kicked our butts early on, and then continued to be aggressive when they should have dialed it back. I thought their team fights got pretty crappy towards late game. Second game we were kicking butt, and then lost out of nowhere. The enemy was carried by a Malzahar that we simply weren't countering correctly. the big turning point came when we lost track of them, and Cake and Gordo went all the way through the jungle to gank Malzahar at bot. All of a sudden their whole team appeared on the map pushing our bot turret. Cake and Gordo started running back, while I wasn't going to be able to do much to stop the baddies alone. By the time my team returned, we had lost two turrets and an inhibitor. What should have happened is one of two things: 1. Cake and Gordo recall instead of running back. They would have been there in time to save a turret and inhib. 2. Cake and Gordo push. They were right in front of the enemy base. Granted, they had no minions, but there was no turret. Go kill the inhib, which would've spawned super minions to help me defend, and Gordo could tank their nexus turret. They would have had to rush, and hopefully gotten sloppy, or recall and stop their push... However, we did learn from that in the third game because we dominated, and did the same super fast push that beat us the last game. Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 24 2012,13:39
I think all three games were VERY close. At no point did I feel like we were dominating. I didn't feel dominated either. All three games came down to who made the most mistakes.I think I only want to play ranked any more. We SHOULD be put up against people at our skill level instead of facing people that are way worse or way better. It seemed like it was working last night. Again, all three games were very close, in my opinion. I also like the added importance of the game. Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 24 2012,14:18
Our current ranked rating is 1211. Our highest was 1215.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2012,14:19
I don't like all the constant pressure to perform.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 24 2012,14:25
I do. Normal play is getting boring. We've been working for over a year to get to ranked play. Since the stakes are higher, I find myself playing better and the wins more enjoyable, if not more exciting.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 24 2012,14:29
We should sign up.Granted, we don't have 5 players. But maybe there's one for TT, or, we can actually start recruiting. Start playing in something that matters and the motivation to find good players will increase. Looks free to join and there's a small prize for winning. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2012,14:34
Sign up in what?
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 24 2012,16:17
Oops. It's a tournament. There are a bunch of little ones you can enter. You win RP. Some are really small, winner take all. Some are bigger and pay out top 5. But over all, they are all small. I've only looked at a few and the top prize has been $20 RP to each of the 5 players on the winning team.So, it's not a living. . . but it would be fun. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2012,16:18
Only if I can cheat as well as everyone else.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2012,16:51
We discussed this a while back... "Pentakills" are tracked in your ranked stats. FYI.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 25 2012,11:20
HUGE patch today.
Posted by Stranger on Oct. 25 2012,11:26
I think the new TT is live now. I'll be interested in checking that out
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 25 2012,14:04
The new TT is not being well received...The forums are exploding with hate for it. I've seen more than one person refer to it as 3v3 Dominion. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 25 2012,14:10
Speaking of ranked matches: are we keeping up on buying the new OP characters? I'm surprised Singed is still getting banned in most games, when there are so many other new, OP champs out there. I was thinking that if we aren't buying them, then they don't appear in the "ban" screens, so they ban Singed instead.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 25 2012,14:18
Based on the early feedback, we may be done with TT.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 25 2012,16:24
Go sign the petition to keep both maps. It's is now an "official" thread, so apparently Riot is watching.My comment is on page 159. < http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board....age=159 > Posted by Leisher on Oct. 25 2012,16:40
My sig is on page 146.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 25 2012,16:51
Made a new friend last night!!Played a ranked game later and our team did really well. One of the players tried to friend the team so we could play again. I was the only one that accepted, or, I was the one he wanted to play with since you could only do Duo. Anyway, we played another game. This game did not go well. We were getting beat and pushed pretty hard. But he never gave up. In fact, at one point, he tried to rally the troops and said we could still do this. But our Karthus was a train wreck and completely worthless and feeding. So in the end, we could not. Point is, no trash talk, didn't give up, spam surrender, etc. HOWEVER, we played a TT after that and he did have a negative thing to say, but it wasn't trashy demeaning kind of thing. Anyway, he's someone I'd play with again. OH, and the game we won, he accidentally picked Urgot as a tank. In a ranked game. He had a slow start, but then rocked things later on. WELL played champ that he didn't mean to pick. Unless he was just kidding, meant to pick him, is an expert, etc. But in any case, played much to our play style. Turtle till strong then win. Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 25 2012,16:53
I have not bought all OP champs. Only so much IP. . . but I have Darius and Rengar. I can buy another when we find it.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 27 2012,23:29
Zombie Brand skin. Best skin ever. Hands down.At spawn, I crawl/climb out of the ground. At death, a headstone rises out of the ground and my hand pops up. I have 3 or 4 different run styles. Hands flailing above my head. Arms out mummy style. Arms hanging limply behind me. Then a mode where he's using them to run, but all zombie like. Basic attack is all zombie like. His one liners are zombie based. And his dance. Of course that's what it is. . . and it's awesome. His taunt looks like he's a zombie noticing his arms are on fire and starts freaking out. Every time I play, I notice something different. Awesome. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 28 2012,08:21
It is the best skin I've seen.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 29 2012,15:45
So the player run tournaments that Riot sponsors with very small RP prizes. I want to be in one. Anyone else interested? If not, I'm going to start looking elsewhere.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 29 2012,15:57
Depends on when they are played.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 29 2012,16:57
The few I looked at were on weekends. Saturdays. Single elimination. Up to 32 teams.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 29 2012,17:52
Then maybe. I would need advance notice to make sure I don't have other plans, because I am very popular and have many, many social engagements.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 30 2012,06:26
(Cakedaddy @ Oct. 29 2012,18:45) QUOTE So the player run tournaments that Riot sponsors with very small RP prizes. I want to be in one. Anyone else interested? If not, I'm going to start looking elsewhere. I'll address this in the LoL Competitive thread. I lied. Let's discuss tonight when we get on to play LoL. (Malcolm is out on Tuesdays, so no BL2.) Stranger can you get on tonight? Posted by Leisher on Nov. 12 2012,09:57
RiotNome (a Riot employee) posted this 3 days ago:QUOTE "I think a lot of the upcoming changes I have planned will address the issues that the older TT players have with the new map. Some of them are small, some of them are big. I'll discuss them as work on them progresses and things start to pan out. And yes, 1.71 will have altars unlock at 3 min, reduce the gold bonus, and do several other numbers tweaks. The capture gold bonus is still there though. I'm currently evaluating whether it's injecting too much gold into the game." I hope they bring the fun back. This new TT basically killed my LoL playing. Previously, we could jump on with 3 almost any night, now we need 4 just to run with a troll on SR because nobody will play TT anymore. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 12 2012,11:55
Yeah. Between TT and all the changes they feel they need to make with jungling and items and everything else, I am playing about 15% as much as I was pre-TT getting pulled. Not replaced, pulled. Whatever they added is not TT.I feel like I felt when the core UO game was getting destroyed a long time ago. Posted by Leisher on Nov. 12 2012,12:35
I get that they feel they need to freshen up the meta before it gets stale, but I think they're going the wrong direction. They're trying to make the game too fast paced and the focus seems to be on items rather than the champions... There's a point that games hit where they become too bogged down in their own bullshit, and become inaccessible to new people. I believe that's when they begin to die. LoL might be hitting that point. I think the problem is that they're too concerned with eSports and forgetting that the vast, vast majority of their players will never compete there. Thus, if you design the games for the eSport players, while ignoring the desires of your casual players... Posted by Stranger on Nov. 13 2012,09:32
< http://www.surrenderat20.net/2012....ml#more >Some masteries and summoner spell changes that are coming. And Promote is being removed, so no more Nunu promote top lane. Posted by Leisher on Nov. 13 2012,10:16
I think they threw up the End of Season 2 patch today.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 13 2012,11:32
I think we are playing less because of BL2 and boredom. It was getting to the point where I didn't want to play TT because I was tired of playing the same 3 champs, the same way, over and over and over. There was some variation on SR. But we were often playing the same champs there too.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 13 2012,11:47
I'm not bored. I am on almost every night waiting for peeps to play. I do get a little tired of playing the same character every time SOMETIMES but the fact we are always going up against different peeps with different champs is what keeps it fresh for me.I get frustrated when we hit a streak of playing up against incredibly, amazingly hard hitting people who roll us like we are all afk. Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 13 2012,13:03
Ya, sometimes they pick the perfect counter to our team. And sometimes we just don't know how to play against the enemy. A good Blitz will beat us every single time. We don't know how to counter him.I have been doing a TON of studying and it has made me a better player. I understand more of the mechanics. The math behind the numbers. etc. I always assumed a lot of things, but I'm finding I wasn't always correct. I'm finding that having an AD carry rune page and an AP carry rune page isn't enough. You need an Ashe rune page, a Cait rune page, a Cog rune page, etc. Sure, they are mostly the same, but having your runes/masteries compliment your champs abilities instead of just having a generic AD rune page is better. Of course that makes sense. But I don't think anyone has taken the time to figure out the best rune/mast for any given character. We all have generic pages for roles we play. I don't always win my lane, but, I'm WAY better than I used to be. I can participate in early kills, which was something we never did very well. I farm the CS about 150% better than I used to. I play my position better. I know more about my enemies and how to counter them with items. But, in the end, to be really good, you have to land your skill shots. And that's more often than not what determines my success. Had a rockin' game as Brand last night. Not epic, but 9/2/11 isn't too bad. I was landing a very high percentage of my skill shots. I was anticipating your flips better than normal. One time in particular, when you flash flipped the enemy. I didn't know the flash was coming, but I figured eventually there would be glue, then a flip. So, I had my E queued and ready to go. But then you flash/flipped. But, since I was already anticipating your getting the flip, I was ready for it. Slight mouse adjustment and bam, they were dead. I don't remember which of us got them, but we did. But anyway, that's us having a good game. But by changing my Ashe build, I'm way different than I used to be. I used to be all about attack speed. Which scales well late game. But I was getting dominated early game. Now I scale right along with the enemy. So, when they make mistakes, we can capitalize on them. Was with a wukong today. Ya, awesome support. Against a voli and cait. He fed Cait early cause he was stupid. But by level 7, every time I sent my big arrow, we'd score a kill or two. So we were able to catch up. I didn't have to time it. I'd just send it when it cooled down. We were both doing enough damage that they'd both be running away dying. I also take flash and ghost with her. No more exhaust. I shouldn't be close enough for exhaust. Point is, I'm awesome. But so are you guys. Oh ya. The other point is that I've learned that after 2 years of playing, we still have a LOT to learn to be epic and that the other teams may have already figured out the perfect team comp and build and they play it over and over. Thus, rolling us. I'm confident that with what I know now, I could build a team that would win 90% of blind pick games as long as we all land 70% or more of our skill shots. But, that team would never exist in a ranked game because most of the champs would be banned. Posted by Leisher on Nov. 13 2012,13:11
QUOTE I think we are playing less because of BL2 and boredom. It was getting to the point where I didn't want to play TT because I was tired of playing the same 3 champs, the same way, over and over and over. There was some variation on SR. But we were often playing the same champs there too. Hey Scooty, call me when you feel we play these champs properly. After all, we aren't doing runes and masteries properly... Granted, sometimes we're bound to have a bad game, meet up with a good team rocking a better combo, etc. However, I don't think we need to completely change things up. I can tell you right now that I'm not an Ezreal expert by any means. I also think we should be focusing on roles more than champs. If I went AD Carry every single time without fail, it shouldn't matter if I play as Ez, Graves, Corki, Kog, Ashe, etc. That'd be switching things up right? Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 13 2012,13:31
I agree with everything you said.But. It's hard for us to focus on a single role because we never have a team of 5 any more. Since our hitler rarely fits right into our group, we have to change things up. I can't always have mid, cause sometimes hitler wants it. You can't always adc cause hitler wants it. Etc. I think we are fine on SR because of the hitler variable. It was the noc, top lane, every game, over and over, that was getting old. Still fun because we were good. But still. Was getting old. AND, even when I didn't play with you guys. I still felt like I had to take Noc top lane because that was all I knew! So, I was trapped. . . . But ya, everything else I agree with: Our runes/masteries could be better. Wouldn't say they are wrong (unless Ez has armor. :-) ). Just room for improvement. We will always run into a team that is better than us. Unless we all get younger, move into a dorm and play 24/7. Never meant to imply this required a complete change up. Agreed that although Ez plays differently than Kog plays differently than Graves, etc. You always playing that role would be easier for you to transition from Ez to Kog instead of me from Ziggs to Kog. But, I would not play my champ exactly the same if you were Ez instead of Kog. They serve the same purpose, but they do it in different ways. So ya, different. Posted by Leisher on Nov. 13 2012,13:35
We need a 5th.Hitler has been the cause of a lot of pain for us. Having a 5th doesn't mean we're all stuck int he same roles all the time, but it'd make it MUCH easier for us to learn roles. It'd also get rid of the constant wild card. It's like playing Texas Hold'Em except you only get the best hand out of 4 cards, while everyone else still plays with 5 cards. We need to find someone in their 30s with an interest in gaming. Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 13 2012,13:58
And who's good.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 13 2012,14:05
I don't know why TPR wont step up.
Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 13 2012,16:33
I thought you wanted someone good?I suck at champ fights. All I do well is split push and eat towers late game. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 13 2012,16:54
I think if we yelled at you a lot you would improve.Like, a lot. Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 13 2012,21:38
Looked at the 'hacking singed' video. I don't see him doing 1100 points of damage. Perhaps he hit you a bunch of times with it before you died. But the video shows your health dropping the correct amount after a flip. It also showed you running around with your flip cooled down and a VERY almost dead irelia beating the shit out of you. . . So, not only did I see that Singed wasn't hitting you that hard, but also that you suck.The only thing I haven't checked is Irelia's cool down on her ult. What I do see is that there were focusing really well and melting us pretty quickly. I saw Irelia's item shield kick in saving her ass followed by Kayles invulnerable shield. Over all, at 1/4 speed, everything looked legit. They just out played us. Unless I find Irelia rapid firing her ult. And if you do a search in the bugs forum for "death recap", you'll see all kinds of posts about things missing, extra stuff being in there, etc. Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 13 2012,21:39
And actually, his flip was doing 600ish damage. Two flips would be around 1100 points.
Posted by Stranger on Nov. 16 2012,10:30
< http://www.surrenderat20.net/2012/11/1115-pbe-patch.html#more >< http://www.surrenderat20.net/2012....ml#more > Complete list of preseason changes.. Items, jungle, masteries ect. The item changes and jungle are really gonna make a big difference. I like that there are more specialized items, expecially for supports! theres even a new support champ coming, prolly an insta buy for me. Im actually looking forward to these changes. Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 23 2012,23:27
Was watching some streams of tournament games. The big ones that Riot runs. I've come to the conclusion that we aren't watching the best of the best. We are watching those who are available. When you look at the schedules, this game basically has to be your job. You don't have time for anything else. And what made me dig deep enough to figure this out is that watching some of them play, they really aren't that good. Some individual players as well as entire teams. Watching them make really bad decisions and bad picks during the draft made me really wonder what the hell they were doing there.So, in my opinion, if you had the time, I don't think it would be very hard at all to get into the big league tournaments. And it's too bad that we aren't seeing the best of the best. The champ games are played by the best of who has the time. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 24 2012,21:28
My wife's mother and brother were over tonight for dinner.About 10pm they were still settled in on the couch, so I turned on Netflix and went looking for a movie that would drive them away, so I could do some gaming... I found Jackass 3. They stayed and laughed through the entire damned thing. Well, he did. But she didn't get mad and leave. Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 26 2012,06:43
Next time try something like < Boys Don't Cry >. I bet that would have worked.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 26 2012,07:24
Anything by John Waters usually does it.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 27 2012,15:36
Gotta play tonight because I have a feeling tomorrow is BL2.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 27 2012,15:57
Yeah, I'll be on, but I might be a bit later than 9.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 01 2012,14:44
Anything happening tonight?
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 01 2012,17:05
I'm around. Just playing BL2 as Zer0.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 01 2012,21:43
You guys missed some pro Amumu action tonight. I was pro. They were mad, bro. No they weren't. But I did good.First game I went 12/6/23. We lost though because our Vayne went AFK. Second game I went 14/2/10. We won. Pretty handily. I even building tanky/support. First thing I build is the Crystal Scepter so that anyone I'm close to (with my aoe Q on) me gets slowed. Then I build Frozen Heart to slow their attack speed. Then I build Warmog's. I'm dropping wards everywhere and buying pink eye. First game, I had a full build that included Sunfire Cape. Second game, I barely got the Warmog's built when we won. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 04 2012,09:40
Ginormous preseason patch hits today.< Here's a video about it and patch notes. > Posted by Stranger on Dec. 04 2012,09:43
< http://competitive.na.leagueoflegends.com/preseason/intro >And heres the official link to all the items, jungle and mastery changes. I can't wait to try out some of these new items. i'll be on tonight if anyone is interested in playing Posted by Leisher on Dec. 04 2012,10:30
All masteries have been reset. So plan to spend some time fixing all that tonight.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 04 2012,16:25
Play a couple practice games to get used to the new HUD and Shopping system.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 04 2012,17:47
Did you guys know you could rename your masteries/rune pages? Might be new, or I never noticed. Now instead of Page 1, Page 2, etc, I have "AD and AS", "Mana and AP", "H/M Regen Armor", etc. I don't have to remember what each page did.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 04 2012,17:48
That's always been there.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 04 2012,17:49
Yeah, I've known that for 4 or 5 years.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 04 2012,17:58
Well, thanks for sharing that a long time ago, not.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 04 2012,18:04
I actually just figured it out a few months ago. I said something in voice then and I was the one getting the "No shit, sherlock" comments.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 04 2012,18:21
I'd like to think I said something, but that might be one of those things where you discover it and think, "Oh duh".
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 05 2012,06:29
< Pro Player permanently banned by Riot for toxic behavior. >Here's the< forum thread > where they announce it. In related news, Riot puts way too much emphasis on their pro players. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2012,06:31
(Leisher @ Dec. 05 2012,09:29) QUOTE < Pro Player permanently banned by Riot for toxic behavior. > Here's the< forum thread > where they announce it. In related news, Riot puts way too much emphasis on their pro players. They put it on Facebook, and WOW.... lots of people raging about the "stupid kids who were picked on in high school and now they just spam the punish button in the Tribunal." The irony of it is delicious. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2012,10:57
< More info >.
Posted by Stranger on Dec. 05 2012,13:08
< http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs....3-goals >really interesting read on the "Myths" of season three changes. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 06 2012,10:35
Riot has acknowledge on the forums that an upcoming patch will remove the speed shrine in TT. No word on what they're replace it with.They're also going to be "tweaking" altar rewards. On a related note, the forum is still mostly anti-new TT map threads. Posted by Stranger on Dec. 07 2012,09:45
< http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs....nges-on >Good article about armor pen and AD runes for the carry, I know Leisher had mentioned about taking a look at his rune set up. Notice they talk about how most AD carries get two dorans blades before moving into the bigger items. < http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs....eason-3 > And here is another about the nerf to attack speed in season 3. I think about the other night and Leisher saying how some guys were hitting hard so early. it looks like getting flat AD runes really helps with getting them last hits and putting as much damage into each hit as possible. Maybe those guys were running a full set of AD runes, who knows. While ArPen scales better into mid and late game if you get off to a good start your chances of winning go up tremendously. Im not sure what rune sets you guys like to use but i don't think that running a full set of attack speed is ideal. especially in the first 15 mins or so, when i think most games are already decided by. Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 08 2012,22:37
My ADC rune page is 15 AD and 13% AS. Armor pen scales better late game, but I think it's such a small amount that getting the early game farm and then buying in game items for armor pen works out better. Out farming the opponent ADC is VERY important, so, I make sure I can do that right from the start.My AP champ page is 31 AP and +53 mana. I will probably change this, but I haven't been playing mid lately, so haven't spent a lot of time on it. Considering mana regen instead of mana. My support page (which is the one I use for Amumu since I play him as a support) is +6 mana regen, +13 armor and +2.4 health regen. I used to have gold generation instead of armor, which worked pretty well. But after learning about armor, I figured it would be better. Especially since Amumu ends up with a decent amount of health where the armor would scale well. I have mastery pages, but I'm not sure they are the best they could be. Did them in about 5 minutes the day everything changed. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 18 2012,17:30
I'm ready to start taking Shen into PvP.Apologies in advance. Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 18 2012,21:10
Let us know how the first few go.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 23 2012,09:01
We sucked so much last night it gave me nightmares. Literally.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 24 2012,22:37
Have been practicing with jungle Xin on my smurf account and I'm not feeling awesome with him. I can function, but, I'm nothing special. I tried Yi out for a couple of games and he's got more potential I think. Xin is good because he has a small amount of CC (his bounce and his knock back ult which doesn't always seem to knock people around and I'm not sure why), and a dash. Yi is good because he's fast as hell with his ult (60 second cool down), his alpha strike is a good dash and he's Yi. I haven't had any games where I got good items yet though. First game, 3 of the 5 went afk. Second game we dominated so hard they quit at 20.Yi will be MUCH easier to play than Xin, I think. I was also considering Sejuani. I could also go back to Rengar, but he's only got a stun for CC and is way squishy. But, he can bring some damage. Who else should I be looking at? Posted by Stranger on Dec. 26 2012,07:11
< http://www.reignofgaming.net/tier-li....-vi-era >Heres a pretty good link on the top tier junglers right now. maybe you will find something intersting in there. Personally i would like to see a LeeSin jungle. He can deal lots of damage but also can be built tanky and has a pretty good knock back that can be usefull. But i think he can be tricky to learn. And i know that you play fiddlestix, the changes in S3 have helped him become a better jungler. I know that i have been seeing more and more in solo q, and they are pretty damn powerful. So maybe you could try him out. And Dr. Mundo is a great tank. All you gotta do is build health items on him and he can be damn near unkillable. And his cleaver is a great slow that can make ganks go real well. And you have played a good Rengar. And they have kinda buffed him up again after nerfing his ass into the ground. So i wouldn't be against seeing some of him either. Posted by Stranger on Dec. 28 2012,19:53
Waiting for the 20 chicks in my house to leave from their silly Christmas party so I can play. U guys gonna be on?
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 28 2012,20:55
Cake is MIA.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 29 2012,01:25
Still recovering from the hell weeks we worked through. We even delayed our Christmas to this Sunday because we wanted to be able to enjoy the holiday season. So I've been trying to spend more time with the family and stuff. Will be able to devote 100% of my attention to you guys again starting Monday night. I might still be around sat or sun night. But definitely Monday.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 29 2012,09:02
Trust in Gordon's balls. Gordon's balls are good; Gordon's balls are wise.
Posted by Stranger on Dec. 30 2012,19:39
League! anyone play it anymore?
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 31 2012,22:42
I think that since our BL2 run has ended, LoL will find it's way back to the top of the playlist.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 04 2013,14:37
Play tonight because I am out of town tomorrow
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 04 2013,15:31
My intentions, so they are known, are the same as my intentions every night. To play computer games. But last night, my head said "fuck you" and started to hurt like hell which forced me to lay down for a bit.But, I wanted everyone to know my intentions. Cause apparently some people depend on them. :-) Posted by GORDON on Jan. 04 2013,15:34
Only when we all appear in Steam and we thinking gaming is a "go" and so we wait and then after a while we shoot off a message and the person goes from "Away" status to "Online" status and there is no answering message and so we wait longer and then we say bad things about the person behind his or her back and she still doesn't show up and eventually we have been waiting for a long time and no gaming happened.And all it would take is a simple, "I'm out" and everybody could move on with their lives. Posted by Stranger on Jan. 04 2013,19:11
i had no problems with lastnight. i was away from the computer most of the night just checking every so often to see if anything was starting. I also wasn't feeling so hot either yesterday. and i didn't even realize that i was in a chat when i logged off at the end of the night until Leisher texted me... anyways im good for tonight
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 05 2013,01:54
Played a couple of games as Naut. I was told he plays like Amumu, so I bypassed the bot game and went right to real enemies.First game, I went 6/9/18 and his build is VERY different from Amumu's. :-) Amumu, I build the Crystal Scepter so my tears slow everyone down. Nuat has build in slows and doesn't really need slowing items and doesn't have a constant AOE damage spell like Amumu. So, I built tanky/healthy cause one of his abilities gets a bonus based on his health. So, I went: The ancient golem thing. Warmogs. Frozen Mallet (because it was in the recommended list) And started Crystal Sceptar (because it gave me health and stuff) Second game I only made it to Golem and Warmogs before the enemy surrendered. Went 1/1/6. Not sure how I want to build him yet. Amumu, I went tanky damage dealer. More damage than tank though. My runes/masteries were tanky/support and I took the scepter. But all other items were damage dealers (Rabadon's and Lich Bane). And I took the life stealing item from the jungle item instead of the golem item. As far as abilities, that does play pretty similar. The anchor has a good bit more range than the bandage does. The shield is cool and has AOE, so, that might actually be a good fit for the crystal scepter. The ult is not aoe though, but, I do try to target the squishiest enemy with enemies in between. So, ability wise, he does play pretty similar. I might skip smite though. It will slow the early jungle down, but since I'm building tank and not damage, it gets to the point that it takes me forever to farm the jungle. My damage isn't scaling with the monster toughness. So, I don't think I'll be spending much time there after a few levels. I might change my runes/masteries to generate more gold/xp than they are now and rely on items for tanky/health regen stuff. But having ghost mid/late game will be WAY better than smite. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 05 2013,13:39
The biggest problem i had last nightnight was when i would be holding my lane for like 10 minutes and be 0/0/0 and then all of a sudden i get ganked by someone 344/0/0 from another lane. Sorry bout that!
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 06 2013,20:07
What are thoughts on using Yorick from the jungle? His little ghoul things, plus his doppelganger would be a pretty decent gank.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 07 2013,06:11
QUOTE What are thoughts on using Yorick from the jungle? His little ghoul things, plus his doppelganger would be a pretty decent gank. You can try it, but I'm not sure it'd work. Yorick is an obvious top because of his ghosts. He also has an awesome ult, but we never see him. I wonder why? Why not try Lee Sin? Or if you want an aoe tank with a slow and a stun, there's Malphite. Posted by Stranger on Jan. 07 2013,09:23
ive never seen a yorick jungle, but it got me thinking and i looked around to see if people do it. I found that his sustain in the jungle is awesome, his ghouls tank all the damage leaving you at full health to gank. But his ganks are a little underwhelming. He prolly is best served in top lane, but i would like to see what you can do with Yorick. Like we said before, if you're good with a certain champ and their kit then its totally viable.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 07 2013,12:48
< Four members of Absolute Legends team caught cheating. >Worst apology ever... QUOTE "We know that it was wrong and we feel obligated to formally post an apology before **** hits the fan. After this first game, we chose to knock out the spectator option to prevent the temptation. We are sincerely sorry to TD and hope that this doesn't affect peoples' views on LoL as an e-sport. On behalf of myself and my team, -Zekent" No, it doesn't make LoL look bad, it makes YOU look bad. My question is why isn't Riot simply removing them permanently? They blatantly cheated and admitted to it. If Riot wants LoL to be taken seriously, and become the eSport, and get it into the Olympics, etc. then they need to prove they're legit. Looking up at a monitor is a DQ, and you let that player come back. They did cheat, but it wasn't their fault you hung the monitors so they could see them. However, players putting someone into the audience to watch those monitors and relay info back to them during the game is WAYYYYYYY beyond that. You don't plan all that out, and then not cheat again. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 07 2013,14:28
As I've said before. . . they won't kick them out because their pool of people willing to dedicate their lives to their game is minimal. These aren't the best in the sport, they are the best of who's available!
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 07 2013,14:30
As far as Yorick. . . I don't think "No one else does it" is enough of a reason to not do it. There are lots of people that own as Garagas in mid. But I couldn't do it. I think the reverse is possible too. Thinking outside the box can pay off big time, I think.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 07 2013,17:52
I think any person can own with a character if they play as much as, say, that I do Singed.I bought Orianna a year ago because I see huge potential in her, even though you rarely see her played. And then the other night, we saw someone owning with her. So, yeah. Also, mastering the lesser-known character means peeps don't know as well how to counter them. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 07 2013,22:36
Well, I feel as good with Naut as I do with Amumu now. I'm learning to spread his stunning basic attack around to keep more of their team stunned. I'm learning the anchor range and speed for grabbing people. I'm even pausing my basic attack after pulling them in so the basic attack stun isn't wasted on the enemy who was just anchor stunned. I like dropping my ult on a far out enemy so it plows through the whole other team and then anchor grab the squishy one. I wait on my E so the slow starts after all the stuns take effect. Etc. He's a very crowd controly champ.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 08 2013,09:46
I'm slowly getting used to Graves. I think I had his build order screwed up for the first several games. I've noticed that I was getting a lot of assists, but not the kills. He's much different from Ezreal though. Ezreal is far more mobile. With Ez I could be way back from a fight, and still be doing damage. With Graves I've found I need to be a bit closer. For example, if we were under a turret with the enemy team thinking about hitting us, Ez is much better at poking down their health without much risk. Graves is all risk because of his reduced range, particularly when comparing their Qs. Try Yorrick jungle. However, if you do that, let's make everyone else is in their comfort zones...or at least 3 of the 5. That way, you get more a realistic feel for him. If all 5 of us are playing unfamiliar champs and get rolled...you might get the wrong sense of what he does from the jungle. I still say his kit, not how others play him, makes him a top, but I do see how it could help him jungle too. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 08 2013,15:08
when I play graves, I buy the doran's blade, then farm enough to get the bf sword. Once I have that, last hits are pretty much guaranteed and you do a ton more damage to the enemies. Then I buy starter boots and the health/mana potion item on the next trip back. First 10-15 minutes of the game I'm farming and poking the enemies in my lane. I don't go for kills unless one is just handed to me. I don't want to make a bunch of trips healing/shopping and losing farm. It is SO important to out farm your opponent. And you can't do it if you aren't in lane. I will 'waste' my ult even if it's just to send them home healing, or cowering under their turret not getting last hits.My runes/masteries are damage and attack speed based with enough damage added to make early game last hits easier. It's uncommon for my enemy to keep up with my farming. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 09 2013,23:13
So I told Trooper tonight that he has to play the next 50 games with the same champion. So here we go, lets see how long this lasts..... Being that he's basically filling in the support role in bottom lane with Leisher, he's spent the remainder of the night thinking up strategies and what not for different champions to see what will work the best. This is what he came up with....< http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/-287298?revision > I haven't had the chance to sit down and look at it, in fact this isn't even Cake this is Trooper posting ;D Hello everyone heheh. Basically, what i'm going for here is a Support Rammus... I decided that in order to best compliment Leisher's Graves ADC, a tanky support champion would be the best option. Here's a quick run down of what I see going down in bottom lane! I'll be very tanky obviously, so I'll be able to initiate whoever we may be facing in bottom lane without dying. The one thing i noticed tonight playing Kayle was that i couldn't really initiate anything without taking a substantial amount of damage.... Thankfully i had the heal and invul to keep me alive and book it out of the fight, leaving my ADC alone and vulnerable.... Thats bad. With my Q spell (Powerball) i can build up insane amounts of movement speed to fly right into the enemy, stopping the enemy for 1 second on impact. With my W spell (Defensive Ball Curl) i can put myself immediately into magic damage Thornmail mode, jacking my armor and magic resist up, while returning a percent of magic damage back to whoever is attacking me (Plus a certain percentage value more, based on my armor)...... Very effective. With my E spell (Puncturing Taunt) i can taunt an enemy, reducing their armor... Obviously the combo is spelled out here.... Q up to them, W for the defensive bonus and damage return, and E somebody while immediately walking backwards towards my adc dragging them away from their teammate, further from their turret and help. With me Ult spell (Tremors).......... It deals a CRAP ton of AOE AP damage to minions/champions/STRUCTURES!!!!!!!! Extremely useful for taking down turrets quick. As far as the items go, pretty self explanatory. Lots of items to help catch and slow down the enemy team, with a few good Aura items. I didn't think it was necessary to go pure Aura items as I don't think that is really what playing support is all about. Playing support is about feeding your adc, be it through aura's or a plethora of enemy stat degrading items. Either i boost you guys, or i leech them.... In the end it pretty much accomplishes the same goal. Also have the banner in there to compliment my ult, taking out those towers EVEN faster. The build is very situational, meaning i may pickup the SOTI before the Banner, or maybe i'll grab a sitestone in place of the Twin shadows....etc. The build is just a projected list of items i plan on purchasing every game. Thats about all I've got, lemme know what you think. Posted by Stranger on Jan. 11 2013,11:18
First lesson we need to learn from lastnight... When the enemy has a Shaco jungle we MUST protect our red. He is one of the best invade junglers and prolly should get used to the fact that good teams will be invading more often, be it Shaco or someone else. Second, i still think that us trying to help kill Shaco was the right idea. If he's allowed to run roughshot through our jungle it hurts in two ways. He's able to get fed and have good gank angles at us and it severly hurts our jungler. As you could see, Shaco was a huge problem for us and Alex barely was able to break 10k gold, so we were doomed. If we coulda killed him in his first invade it may have dettered him from trying it again and woulda helped fiddlestix along the way. Leisher was complaining that he had no minion kills once he got back to lane, but i specifically remember saying that you were even in minion kills once you got back to lane. So there was no loss there. But jungle was almost immediatly lost because we couldn't catch that damn Shaco, but i still think we made the right call. Sure it maybe you could hear the Benny Hill theme song as we were chasing him, but Shaco is hard enough to chase down with his doppleganger. And you have to give the guy credit, he was a very good Shaco. I just don't think you can let a jungler invade and snowball the way he did. Not for a few minion kills at least. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 11 2013,13:29
QUOTE Second, i still think that us trying to help kill Shaco was the right idea. If he's allowed to run roughshot through our jungle it hurts in two ways. He's able to get fed and have good gank angles at us and it severly hurts our jungler. As you could see, Shaco was a huge problem for us and Alex barely was able to break 10k gold, so we were doomed. If we coulda killed him in his first invade it may have dettered him from trying it again and woulda helped fiddlestix along the way. Leisher was complaining that he had no minion kills once he got back to lane, but i specifically remember saying that you were even in minion kills once you got back to lane. So there was no loss there. But jungle was almost immediatly lost because we couldn't catch that damn Shaco, but i still think we made the right call. Sure it maybe you could hear the Benny Hill theme song as we were chasing him, but Shaco is hard enough to chase down with his doppleganger. And you have to give the guy credit, he was a very good Shaco. I just don't think you can let a jungler invade and snowball the way he did. Not for a few minion kills at least. As I told Cake last night, because he reached the same conclusion you did, that was not what I was saying. Scooty heard me correctly, not sure why you and Cake didn't. What I was saying is that ME chasing Shaco around the jungle AT THAT MOMENT, and incidentally, the same thing happened later...was pointless. He was faster than me, we weren't communicating a good plan to cut him off, and I was out of mana and health potions. The out of mana part is key. I couldn't Q or W him around corners or over walls. I couldn't use my E to catch up or cut him off. Thus, I was literally just chasing around a character who was faster than me hoping I could cut him off. So while I chased Shaco with no hope of stopping him, I didn't get to refill my health, mana, farm, shop, or hit their turret. But at least we didn't get a kill!! ![]() Meanwhile, Ez and his support spawned, shopped, pushed our lane, and took down our tower to 50% health. So two points there: 1. We didn't communicate well enough to cut him off and get the kill. 2. We didn't know this at the time, but we would have been better served if I had simply recalled, gotten mana, healed, shopped, and then responded to Shaco or gone back into lane. So to sum up, I was simply pointing out what went wrong. I NEVER said that we shouldn't have kept Shaco out of our jungle. I just think we needed to go about it a different way. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 11 2013,15:10
If their jungler is running wild all over the map, then our jungler should be the one dedicated to countering him. I was completely busy up top countering whoever that was, and I was hearing the early desperation in the voices but didn't have a clue what to do about it, it was always bottom of the map. I saw Shaco early in my lane once, and I got lucky that he turret dived me with low health and I nailed him to the turret... but I never saw him approach anyone without being invisible, and I don't know how you track a champ who is always invisible without spending all your money on pinkeye, and then you just die to 4 hidden jackboxes. If I had left to chase the invisible man all over the map, I'd have certainly fallen behind in farm and probably lost the lane, fast. It would be the same for everyone else.So, I don't know what to do. Unless we figure out a counter, a good, aggressive jungler will always beat us? Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 11 2013,17:30
Over all, our response was horrible. Although we all responded, it wasn't coordinated, fast or deadly. It was hesitant, disorganized and ineffective. Leisher didn't want to be there and would stay in lane and only came when when peer pressure mounted. Scooty responded, but picked horrible paths to get there. We have an invisible flashing champ we are trying to send home. We needed to cast a wide net and pinch him. We didn't. We grouped up and a single flash put him out of all of our reaches. It was horrible execution because all parties involved didn't agree with what we were doing. Plus, he got lucky. Really really lucky. He'd pick exactly where he needed to go every time. I started placing wards and that got things under control. But at that point, not only had he gotten a good jump on farm, etc. He sucked the morale out of our team. We were arguing about the response, etc.Bottom line, Shaco kills me without you guys helping me. He owns our jungle if we let him. We MUST respond, and we did. We just failed. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 11 2013,17:38
QUOTE Unless we figure out a counter, a good, aggressive jungler will always beat us? Right now, yes. Much like any other aspect of the game, when it's new to us, we suck at it. If we saw constant aggressive junglers, we'd learn how to handle them. Last night was a rarity and it hurt. Oh, I should add that last night was the first time I played Fiddle in months. So, there was that added to everything else. Something I'd like to add though. . . . Lanes. You guys are now in the habit of pushing your lanes under their turrets. I can't gank then. Then I get out of the ganking grove and get called out when I'm not there to gank when they AREN'T under their turret! I'm not saying, stop doing that. I see value in pushing them under their turret because they lose a lot of last hits to the turret. But, there's an adjustment period where I'm getting used to new laning techniques, etc. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 11 2013,18:01
Another new topic. Due to the rest of the team calling lanes before me, I ended up in a support role. So, I went Naut as bottom support. First items were heals/wards and basic boots. First major item was Sher's Rev. Over all, I did good! Was teamed up with an Ez and we were against a Caitlyn and Lulu. Oh ya, I bought Pink Eye real early cause they were placing Vision Wards and killing my sight wards. I would hang out in the weeds and pull Caitlyn in over and over. Ez and I were both level 5, and Cait was still level ONE!! Lulu was leveling pretty even with us though. At the end of the game, Caitlyn had a Doran's blade and the healing flask item. That was it! She had 10 CS. TEN!! And it was all me baby. . . . Point being, transitioning into a support Naut from a jungle naut was easy and effective. And no, don't expect those results ever time. Cait claimed lag. . . Of course. But it was fun.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 11 2013,18:35
QUOTE Leisher didn't want to be there and would stay in lane and only came when when peer pressure mounted. So basically the same way you feel about ganking at bot? Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 11 2013,18:37
Scooty asked me to post these builds:< http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/-287656?revision > < http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/-287919?revision > He heard Leisher saying he was out of mana, so he picked up Soraka to correct that. I did a practice game with him (I was Graves) and I did not run out of mana. But, I don't think I play the same as Leisher. I don't push my lane, and simply last hit. I only use my abilities when the enemy makes a move on us. But my lane sustain was high end and made a lot of money. Shen is the other one. Not sure of the full theory behind that one. He said he's looking for a tanky support as a second option to the squishy support that is Soraka. He's concentrating on team buff items. But I'm not sure if those are the best items for Soraka because of how much more powerful her abilities are. I don't play support enough to speculate either way. So, Stranger, we need your thoughts. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 11 2013,18:49
(Leisher @ Jan. 11 2013,13:35) QUOTE QUOTE Leisher didn't want to be there and would stay in lane and only came when when peer pressure mounted. So basically the same way you feel about ganking at bot? And this is what I'm talking about. . . . . . If you have them pinned under their turret, I turn my attentions else where. Then, while I'm busy helping top who DIDN'T have his pinned, enemy bottom makes a move and pins ours. It's back and forth, in all lanes. It's hard to build a grove when things are so inconsistent. I now announce in voice chat "Bottom is pushed to their turret, heading to top" so you know. But I'm guessing you don't hear that. I will be even more vocal. I will reiterate my intentions until I receive acknowledgement. There is very little in the game that I don't vocalize. I can make sure you hear it, but I can't make you listen. :-) But for you to say that I don't want to gank bottom is insulting and frustrating. In fact, I'm going to start pinging bottom when I say "Pushed too far to gank" so that I can show in the recording the number of times I scan for gank opportunities in each lane and when. I was getting that the other night from Gordon too. He's have Elise pinned under her turret, I'd leave top jungle. Next thing, he's dying under his while I'm bottom and he's asking if we have a jungler. . . It's always the junger's fault. . . Posted by GORDON on Jan. 11 2013,19:00
Yeah. i heard you saying, "Leaving top lane" and I would internally ugh... then, the very instant you are too far away to help, their jungler comes out and ganks me.edit - And that is all our jungler's fault. Posted by Trooper on Jan. 11 2013,19:10
So here is my formal apology (Seeing as one has yet to be given) for my bizarre and uncalled for behavior on my last account. That was extremely childish and just plain embarrassing.... I promise to keep it friendly here, as i really only plan to use this to post my builds for people to read and criticize, and possibly partake in team discussion. Again, thanks for my second chance and i'll be sure it won't happen again.Oh and this: "Gordon Is God" ;D Posted by GORDON on Jan. 11 2013,19:12
Proceed, my child.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 11 2013,19:16
QUOTE And this is what I'm talking about. . . . . . If you have them pinned under their turret, I turn my attentions else where. Then, while I'm busy helping top who DIDN'T have his pinned, enemy bottom makes a move and pins ours. It's back and forth, in all lanes. It's hard to build a grove when things are so inconsistent. I now announce in voice chat "Bottom is pushed to their turret, heading to top" so you know. But I'm guessing you don't hear that. I will be even more vocal. I will reiterate my intentions until I receive acknowledgement. There is very little in the game that I don't vocalize. I can make sure you hear it, but I can't make you listen. :-) But for you to say that I don't want to gank bottom is insulting and frustrating. In fact, I'm going to start pinging bottom when I say "Pushed too far to gank" so that I can show in the recording the number of times I scan for gank opportunities in each lane and when. I was getting that the other night from Gordon too. He's have Elise pinned under her turret, I'd leave top jungle. Next thing, he's dying under his while I'm bottom and he's asking if we have a jungler. . . It's always the junger's fault. . . And this is what I'm talking about... First of all, I jungle too, so save your pity party for someone who doesn't know the woes of the jungle. Secondly, I was merely acting as childish as you were in the statement I quoted. What was I doing when you asked for help with the invading Shaco? What took me so long to get to the jungle? Were you listening in game when I said it or post game when we were discussing it? I'm thinking not. According to your own words, I just didn't feel like it and had to be pressured. Here's the reality: I was fighting Ezreal near his turret at the time, and even said so in voice. I guess you didn't hear that, huh? Maybe I should repeat it next time until I hear acknowledgement? Or how about I ping for you to retreat since I was dealing with my own shit? It's always the ADC's fault... Posted by Trooper on Jan. 11 2013,19:23
In this case i believe it was merely miscommunication.... During a very hectic moment in-game, certain things just weren't understood... I believe Leisher is right in saying that it would be stupid to retreat your current fight to help alllllllllll the way across the board in the jungle.... however, had you not been busy, your presence certainly would have been appreciated. In my opinion, having mid (myself) and bottom support (ronnie) respond is MORE than enough.... Its insane that the 3 of us failed to locate and defeat Shaco on our own..... I believe that is the problem here, not the lack of response from our busy adc. 6
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 11 2013,19:30
Quit sucking up.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 11 2013,19:40
Everybody sucks but me and Theo.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 11 2013,23:53
Posted by Trooper on Jan. 12 2013,00:31
Any suggestions comments concerns or criticism on my Shen and/or Soraka would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Posted by Trooper on Jan. 12 2013,00:46
"This unit is a flippin' ninja" hahahaha, I always saw that when I played Kennen and wondered what it did. Turns out, if any two champion: Kennen Akali or Shen, are on the same team they receive a -1 health debuff for having more than one ninja on your team.... Apparently ninja's work alone say's Riot heheh. I liked how Leona's Sunlight spell does 1 less damage to champions wearing sunglasses as well, like all the commando skins for example.... So it turns out skins aren't a total waste of money after all!!
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 12 2013,12:25
Trooper:Shen is prolly my 2nd most played champ these days, so I know how he works, but I thought I saw you do something last night that I didn't know.... or, I didn't see what I thought I saw. His ult... I thought you could only teleport to an ally, but I *thought* I saw you use it to teleport to rescue a turret from enemy minions, without an ally being there. I think I didn't see what I thought I saw, but I thought I would ask you anyway, just in case. Posted by Trooper on Jan. 12 2013,16:16
I wish! That would be pretty awesome, but no =/ you cannot teleport to an allied turret. The only champion that can influence a turret in anyway is Janna. Her shield can be applied to both turrets and champions (i believe minions aswell.....), and no I didn't just learn that from the facts video above heheh, Janna was the first champion I ever unlocked and played.
Posted by Trooper on Jan. 12 2013,16:21
I guess its worth a post, so here goes.Support role: Shen Soraka Whats my second role? Jungle? Mid? Top? If I had a choice.... Jungle role: Xin Zhao Master Yi Your thoughts? Posted by GORDON on Jan. 14 2013,06:17
100% cooldown hack, still worked as of 2 months ago.< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwNVYQQrHks > Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 14 2013,09:29
Although I'm going to get shit for doing this. . . . I watched that game we played the other night where we were chasing that Shaco around in our jungle at the beginning of the game. First I wanted to see if I could tell if he was using a map hack. I couldn't really tell. There were some things that made me think he was, other times, had he had a map hack, he'd have scored a kill. So, don't know. But then I started watching Leisher's farming. What I found was that Leisher was getting really good farm. Even after chasing Shaco around multiple times, he had a good lead on Ez for CS. Also, By the time Ez scored his first champion kill, Leisher was 4/2/4. Ez was 1/2/2. Shaco had the gold lead for most of the game due to his early kills on many of us. By mid game, Leisher had even over taken Shaco. Shaco would regain the lead when they would start killing turrets. Then Leisher would get it back. Early game, Leisher had a BF sword and other items. The best Ez had was a brutilizer. By the time Leisher finished his BT, Ez still hadn't completed an item. And it goes on from there. So, at no point was Leisher suffering from lack of farm. You were second in gold compared to all 10 players. You led Ez by a large margin (1.8k by mid game) the whole game. You scored more kills than him as well. In fact, watching that game now, it was VERY winnable for us. Gold was even, kills were close, etc. So, again, I'll be getting shit for breaking this game down and then blaming Leisher. But that's not my intent. My perception (and Strangers) was that our carry was not suffering. And the video, in my opinion, confirms this. In trying to figure out what is going wrong and what we can do to fix it, I ended up finding nothing wrong. We played poorly, but other than that, everyone was doing their jobs. Things of note: We aren't hitting dragon enough. I think we've improved on wards, we need to fix dragon now. Watching the gold count through that game, Dragon is huge. You can be losing the game in kills/turrets, but a dragon or two catches you right back up in gold. Watching the affect it had on gold scores. . . we have to kill it more. I really think Stranger is willing to sacrifice our carry for kills. One fight, Leisher killed Nid and fell back to his turret. Stranger came up while Shaco dove the turret. Just as he kills Leisher, Stranger ults and stuns Shaco under the turret and then kills Shaco. His ult was cooled down the whole time. Dude. Steal the kills, but don't let the carry die too!! Posted by Leisher on Jan. 14 2013,12:43
QUOTE Although I'm going to get shit for doing this. . . . There's a reason for that... QUOTE I watched that game we played the other night where we were chasing that Shaco around in our jungle at the beginning of the game. First I wanted to see if I could tell if he was using a map hack. I couldn't really tell. There were some things that made me think he was, other times, had he had a map hack, he'd have scored a kill. So, don't know. But then I started watching Leisher's farming. What I found was that Leisher was getting really good farm. Even after chasing Shaco around multiple times, he had a good lead on Ez for CS. Also, By the time Ez scored his first champion kill, Leisher was 4/2/4. Ez was 1/2/2. Shaco had the gold lead for most of the game due to his early kills on many of us. By mid game, Leisher had even over taken Shaco. Shaco would regain the lead when they would start killing turrets. Then Leisher would get it back. Early game, Leisher had a BF sword and other items. The best Ez had was a brutilizer. By the time Leisher finished his BT, Ez still hadn't completed an item. And it goes on from there. So, at no point was Leisher suffering from lack of farm. You were second in gold compared to all 10 players. You led Ez by a large margin (1.8k by mid game) the whole game. You scored more kills than him as well. In fact, watching that game now, it was VERY winnable for us. Gold was even, kills were close, etc. So, again, I'll be getting shit for breaking this game down and then blaming Leisher. But that's not my intent. My perception (and Strangers) was that our carry was not suffering. And the video, in my opinion, confirms this. In trying to figure out what is going wrong and what we can do to fix it, I ended up finding nothing wrong. We played poorly, but other than that, everyone was doing their jobs. My complaint for that game wasn't farm, although I did reference it in my argument about what going into that jungle was costing me. Go read my statement again, and you'll see I was blanket-including everything to make my point. You picked one word out of my whole argument, and wrote that post about that one word. Why would I give you shit about that...? But hey, that loss was all me. Everyone else played perfectly. Anyway, although I'm going to get shit for doing this... Lately, I'm your scapegoat, and it's getting tiresome. It's part of the reason playing as Graves is so frustrating. When I said this isn't fun, it wasn't about Graves, it was about you. You and I are a catch 22. I'm going to get frustrated and curse because I'm competitive. So are you. However, you openly, and very passive aggressively questioning me in the middle of the game pisses me off. So now I'm getting more pissed, and will immediately get frustrated earlier in the next game because I know what's coming. And it'll either come during the game or after. Oh, and I know our teammates love to hear us gripe, just like we loved hearing Scooty fight with Hitler or opponents (although at least that was entertaining in its own way) or hearing you fight with Scooty. We've played LoL for over a year now, and I've heard you blame Hitler, Gordo, Stranger, Scooty, Me, and lately even Theo as Karthus for our poor showings in games. This isn't a secret. Everyone knows this, and at times you've been absolutely right. I've had terrible nights. Remember that time I was gone for a week, and how bad I was for two days upon my return? All those losses were my fault. I know of at least one game where I was Ezreal where I felt a single play of mine late game caused us to lose. Recently, I haven't felt like I'm holding my own as Graves, and rightly so. I don't have any sort of feel for his damage, or where he should be in fights, but I am developing it. Do I get lost trying to farm? Yes, and this is especially a problem with Graves because I don't feel like I'm doing any damage with him. Look at my kill numbers. I joked two weeks ago that I'm playing a support Graves, and I think it's true. My assists are through the fucking roof, but my kills are way down and my ult seems weaker than it should be(?). That's why I feel it's so important to continuously farm with him, and why I get lost doing it. Another point on the game you tried to argue against me above: I was still using abilities to clear minion waves. So I was mowing them down rapidly. If I was not doing that, I might have had mana for the Shaco chase, and probably would've had much lower farm numbers. However, that wasn't why we lost. As for the rest of us... Hitler is Hitler. Theo is an awesome Akali, but his WuKong isn't the best we've seen. For some reason, we've got him playing a low mobility mid champ who seems to be the exact opposite playstyle that he normally plays. Stranger sucked when he first showed up. I know we lost games due to him, and so does he. It's part of the game. Hell, to this day TT is simply not his thing. Scooty is our resident teen angst guy. I had a better chance of hitting the lottery without buying a ticket than I did of entering a game and not seeing Scooty verbally fight with a teammate or enemy. Plus, he had a very lone wolf style of play that simply did not fit our team's needs. Gordo is Singed. Has been. Will be. He's branching out with other champs, but his frustration level gets too high to stick with them (something I can relate to a LOT lately), plus it's no fun to lose, especially when you feel out of sorts, and like you're hurting your team by not playing well with a champ. His biggest issue? Taking criticism. I can safely point that out, because I'm the same way, and as I'm learning, so is Cake. Maybe it's an old guy thing? And then there's you. When has it ever been your fault? I'll start by saying that at no time have you ever suggested you're the perfect player. Fair is fair, and I'd never suggest that you're claiming to be the best player on the team or that you don't make mistakes or cost us games. Although, I think you do have a hard time seeing flaws in your game or accepting them. You're a much stronger player out of the jungle than in lane. Not that I think you suck in lane, but your jungle game is the best on the team. And if I'm being 100% honest, you have sucked in lane. I remember a time when you were getting dominated, and very frustrated in mid. You are miles better now, but I want to make sure you realize that you've had growing pains and frustrations too. Remember when Gordo and I used to joke about you feeding on the old TT? You were. You got pissed because you didn't think you were, and you got better, but you definitely had problems there. There isn't a single person I listed who I don't enjoy playing with, and while we all may have individual dustups from time to time, it's to be expected because this is a competitive game. If you're not getting heated, you aren't competing hard enough. That being said, our biggest weakness is our team, and Cake, I blame you. That might be unfair, but you are our leader in game. Now it doesn't ALL fall on you. We all have to try and be more aware of and better at our individual roles, and accepting of any criticism that our teammates offer us whether that be about positioning, our builds, build order, farming, team fighting, etc. I think one of our biggest issues is accepting that we're cogs in a machine, not the whole machine itself. We all have fallen prey to the "Yeah, but I did this during this game", while our Nexus is being destroyed. Seriously, lately we've played like 5 individuals. You claim I'm off farming alone, and that's a problem, but I'm watching people farm out from under my nose, all of us going in different directions all the time, not calling primaries (yes, they occasionally get called, but also mostly ignored), etc. I mean I could go on and on with this list. So could you, so why are you expending so much energy always focusing on one person at any given time? Anyway, I think it's your job to reign in our issues, and our job to listen (even Gordo). Here's what I currently see as our issues: 1. Our team leader is all too eager to try and assign blame after games. What's funny is that the person taking the blame doesn't vary game by game, but rather is month to month or quarter to quarter. Plus, the whole team isn't helped by listening to a 20 minute argument. The bottom line is that no one person is losing us games. It's a team effort, so why are we engaging in pointless fights post game? 2. Passive aggressive is not a good form of communication within a team. (That's for ALL of us.) 3. Our team comp is flawed. We've had no initiator lately (the weakest part of our game). We also have no CC. I don't consider Veigar's circle of stun to count because I don't think I see a single opponent actually be stunned by it. (The amount of people who flashed or used an ability to escape that circle the last few nights is mind boggling. I think it's bullshit considering it's a skill shot. Meanwhile, Amumu's circle has nothing to do with skill, but you can't escape it.) We need champs who compliment one another. There's a reason the best junglers have stuns and/or ways to close gaps quickly. This also involves going all out with our assigned roles. That's something I took to heart, and why I've been concerned with my farm, learning champs, getting kills, trying to not put myself in a position to die, etc. That's my job. It's why I questioned Stranger for taking red the whole game when he was Mundo. I honestly didn't know if that was correct, didn't matter, or wrong? All I know is that typically the ADC is fed that, which is why I asked. It's why I pointed out that Scooty shouldn't be leaving the ADC during laning phase unless it's absolutely ok to do that (and often it wasn't). It's why I don't go near the jungle during laning, because I know those are for my jungler. 4. We need one voice to say what we're doing. It's ok if everyone announces things like "clearing bot", "warding baron", etc. However, the team leader needs to have authority to veto or order us elsewhere. That's you Cake. (That's something previously decided, that seems to have been forgotten.) You need to stop fighting with people in game, and yes I realize that means we all need to stop fighting with you too. Objections should be heard, but we shouldn't fight about them. 5. We need to stop being individuals, and be a team. Why aren't we ever baiting anyone? Who is organizing us when laning ends? When does laning end? Who is telling us where to place wards and ensuring that our jungler has purchased pink eye? When should we hit dragon? Baron? Push lanes? Etc. Granted a LOT of this will come from individual reads, and information from others, but our leader has to get us focused better. When we get rolling, we're coordinated and hard to stop. When we run around doing our own thing, even bad players kick our ass. 6. Fighting correctly. We don't do it. We're chasing. Sometimes, that's ok, most times, not so much. How often have we walked into traps lately compared to our winning streak? We've got to get it through our heads that champion kills aren't the game. If you sent someone packing to go heal, that's a win. If they used flash to get away, that's a win. The "got to get the kill" mindset is kicking our ass, and it's infectious. I had more, but I'm taking off for the day. I think my novel gets the point across anyway. Can we please stop bickering over moments in fucking random games and start focusing on what our team needs to do to fix things? Posted by GORDON on Jan. 14 2013,13:19
My greatest weakness in this game is that everyone else on my team sucks.That being said, I can take criticism... but when it is followed by laughing that just pushes my buttons. Doesn't stop me from playing, but be prepared for me to get momentarily pissed if you laugh at me when I make a mistake. NOW................................. Leisher. It is my impression, and I may be wrong, that you wrongly perceive you are being criticized by Cake, when that isn't my impression at all. It is my opinion that there is some "reading between the lines" going on by you that Cake doesn't intend. So, I hope that clears that up a little. I don't think I have ever heard Cake come out and say, or imply, that you were fucking up your lane, or that you sucked, or anything else. Things get discussed post-game, but I have never heard any personal attacks or inappropriate, non-joking snark from him directed at you. Except for when he chuckles when I make an error. That's just fucked up. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 14 2013,13:30
And personally.................I still think everyone is cheating. I just can't fathom how we can randomly do great for a month at a time, then randomly just get completely crushed by everyone 10 games in a row like we weren't even trying. Every online game has been hacked, since the beginning of online games. The successful cheaters are the ones who keep it under the radar. There is no reason for this game to be special. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 14 2013,14:04
LoL was big with a few of my buddies back in school. A couple reasons I don't play is because:1) the people who tended to be very good at it either dropped loads more time on it than anyone else or have some savant-like understanding of RTS, and I'm not a huge RTS fan 2) getting a proper team dynamic is killer and requires lots of effort more often than not In any team game, from LoL to UO to BL2 to fucking bridge, getting people to focus as a unit is a pain in the ass. Some games are easier than others. My school buddies, who sat in the same room with each during LANs, I don't think they ever ended a LoL game without at least one dude ragging on his teammate about how he almost fucked up that game and lot it for everyone. Frustration makes it too easy to lose focus, and more often than not, I saw the winners frustrated that they hadn't won to their satisfaction; it was worse when they lost. Even in BL2, unless a significant threat was upon us, we were sometimes hard pressed to fight as a cohesive unit. Boss fights, arena fights, anything big that got our attention, we did ok (except when Terramorphus had us outgunned). Other times, we had half the team stumbling around like they had ADHD. QUOTE I still think everyone is cheating. From the dude that thinks a younger extended family member slipped a sedative into his drink last Thanksgiving. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 14 2013,16:08
(Malcolm @ Jan. 14 2013,17:04) QUOTE QUOTE I still think everyone is cheating. From the dude that thinks a younger extended family member slipped a sedative into his drink last Thanksgiving. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 14 2013,16:13
I believe that's a direct quote from the Boondock's Gin Rummy, isn't it? You can always buy the anti-date rape chemical thing that one dude's pushing.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 14 2013,16:15
(Malcolm @ Jan. 14 2013,19:13) QUOTE I believe that's a direct quote from the Boondock's Gin Rummy, isn't it? You can always buy the anti-date rape chemical thing that one dude's pushing. Indeed, but the Boondock's writer was mocking the right's claim that there were WMD's in Iraq by using that line. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 14 2013,16:25
See, now you're just sidetracking due to the fact that you let your guard down.
Posted by Trooper on Jan. 14 2013,16:51
Cake can't lead the team when everybody gets pissy and rage quits, or starts a little bitch fight in chat because they think he's blaming you. I'm a repeat offender of that to be honest, but I'm learning to handle it. Take what he says for what it is, either change and do what he says, or don't. Either way, quit fighting with him because he can't effectively run the team when everybody just wants to fight him on every single thing that comes out of his mouth, taking it as a personal attack or blame for the loss of the entire game..... Again, I've been the KING of doing this.... But as I stated earlier, you just have to take it for what it is and move onto the next game. 8 times out of 10 hes right, and his game history reflects it.... Cake has played hundreds and hundreds more games than all of us. Combine... So if you think you know better than him, odds are you're sorely mistaken. Its hard to admit you're wrong especially after we get our asses handed to us in-game... I sure know I hate being told what I did wrong, but its not fair of us to ask Cake to lead our team when all we want to do is give him shit for trying to help us......I'll also mention, I think Cake can handle the counter criticism a tad better. We're not TRYING to start any fights, but I think everyone should be entitled to their reasoning for certain actions under speculation... It just doesn't play out that way unfortunately, when we counter Cakes criticism it comes out with an obvious sign of irritation... Just calm the hell down, and talk. Its just a frickin game, after all...... Honestly, I think somebody else should take the role of leader for a game or two, so you too can feel the heat of being depended on by everyone on the team to have the answers to every damn problem that arises.... And then get insulted and treated like shit when everyone takes the criticism THEY ASKED FOR TO BEGIN WITH, as some kind of bullshit personal attack. As stated about 3 times thus far, I'm a constant offender of this as everyone else is.... Seriously, next person to fight with Cake (Our leader) gets their asses kicked. This team can no longer handle a democracy... Screw fair treatment, what the leader says, goes.... This is Soviet TKV now, so keep your mouth shut and listen to the leader! He has way more experience in almost every aspect of the game, therefore you have no reason to talk back unless otherwise instructed to do so. This way, we no longer have to deal with any of us getting butthurt thus causing a whole heap of bad vibes between teammates. Or, nobody leads, we never improve, and we never win. Idk about you, but personally I'd rather shut my mouth, keep the peace, and take the wise advice of my elders.... Posted by Leisher on Jan. 14 2013,19:53
(Cakedaddy @ Jan. 11 2013,22:30) QUOTE Quit sucking up. That's for Scooty's post. ![]() I'm not feuding with Cake or anything like that. None of my previous post was written in anger at all. Cake and I have chatted many times about LoL, and we both come from a position of caring. Thus, we get frustrated. We both know nothing is personal. I'm never mad at him, despite how we sound in game. We simply happen to be the most vocal about it at this time. There isn't anyone, save for Theo (give him time), who hasn't been vocal or argued with teammates. The last week has been especially difficult with Theo's issue, Scooty trying support, me learning Graves, us being put against some quality teams, etc. I, like everyone else, get frustrated when I feel I'm not pulling my weight, and my frustration just grows when questions start getting thrown around in game. Especially, when I feel it's unjust. I know I groan or curse (like Gordo's patented sigh), and sometimes Cake thinks it's frustration at him, but it's not. I get frustrated with my own play or sometimes a teammate's play, but NEVER at them personally. I know Cake feels the same, and I hope the other 4 are in the same mind frame. Let's get on Tuesday, and follow our own rules. -Communicate -Don't chase -Let Cake call targets -Keep your damage dealers alive and fed -Etc. Posted by Trooper on Jan. 14 2013,20:13
Most definitely was not trying to target you in anyway there, I think we all (especially including myself) could handle the criticism and talks better.Tuesday should be a good night! Some of us have had a days break from the game, so we should all be able to log on and play with a fresh attitude. I just hope we can frickin win one eh? ;D We could forsure go for a confidence boost.... Posted by GORDON on Jan. 14 2013,21:27
Damn near every time we play against a Darius he ends up beating our asses with his infinite ult, so we don't any of us play Darius? Considering he is in 75% of our games, it gets old not having one of our own.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 14 2013,22:06
I tried playing him a little bit, but didn't play very long. He's very easily shut down and countered. I think most of the problem is, we see Darius and it immediately puts you in a losing frame of mind and our play reflects that. I can only say that in ANY ranked game I've played, Darius plays as big a role as any other champ. Isn't rapid firing his ult, etc. In fact, you don't see Darius in many ranked games at all. Not banned and not played. It's kind of like Trynd. If you don't know how to counter him, he's going to win the game for you.Also, Darius is a top lane champ. So. .. . Ya, why don't you? :-) I guess the next time he's free, try playing with him and see how people shut you down. Then do that. But, and I'm not being a smart ass, you'll have to play him against real people. Bots are dumb and won't counter him properly. There are few champions we know how to specifically play against or counter. I'm willing to be that we play the same 90% of the time regardless of who our enemy is. When you are top, do you do anything different when playing against a Warwick than you do against a Darious? Or a Nasus? Or any other champ? There are probably two champions on your list that you actively play differently against. And by differently, it's probably more cautious because you are afraid of them. We all play differently when we are laning against a Blitz, because that obvious. And Nidalee. We know to move a little more and to be behind minions. But what about playing against and Ashe vs a Varus. Or Ez. Etc. I bet most of us play exactly the same. Farm minions, throw some stuff at them, etc. But over all, nothing special or different about one enemy champ over another. I'm no expert and I don't know how to counter every single champion out there. But I do pay attention to, and learn different laning techniques. I used to get absolutely owned by any flashing champ in mid. I used to say that at the beginning of the games. "I am not going to do well against Kat, or Akali, or Ahri, etc". But those are the games that I'd always pay more attention to. I'd study their champ's cool downs and combos. I can now say that I don't have a problem laning against Kat. I know how to dodge her Q. I know her E's range. I can now anticipate her more and have actually learned that being aggressive against her is the best counter. I don't dive her and hit constantly. I push up the sides (this avoids her Q) and poke her more. In summary, I just have a better understanding of her abilities and how to avoid them, or even take advantage of her when she screws one up. But the biggest thing is, learning to avoid her Q. That's her poke. Avoid her poke and I don't take damage from her any more. This makes her try to be more aggressive. Now she starts diving me with her E and W. I know the range of that and try to anticipate where she's going to end up. I stun and drop my W on that spot. When done right, I've just done about 30% more damage to her than she did me. Point is, instead of being disheartened, or whatever by facing her, I studied her. I learned her, and now I can counter her. I don't know the counter to Darius. I don't lane against him. I can only say that in most ranked games, or even nonranked, Darius is no more a factor than any other champ. Yes, one will have a good game here and there, but so does ever other champ. I know Jayce would be an excellent counter because he has such long range that you don't ever have to be close to him. But, if you don't know Dar is coming, you don't know to take Jayce. And Jayce isn't a 'win button' that would make him and auto pick every game. Plus, Jayce is all about knowing when to go melee and when to stay ranged and landing those skill shots. In summary, keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. Study them. Learn them. Find their weakness and counter them. And you record every game, start watching them. Watch what they do and when. That's what I do. I don't watch every game I record. But if something big happens, or if I have trouble with something, I watch it to see where I screwed up. Then I change that and the next encounter is better. Singed isn't an automatic loss, and neither is Darius. We just need to learn how to play against them and make more intelligent decisions during fights. We lost that game against Singed and Darius because we weren't fighting as a team. We weren't responding as a team. And we made bad choices (either on accident or on purpose. . .). We didn't lose to their OP'ness, we lost because we made bad choices. If Singed was OP and an automatic win. . . why don't we win every game?! :-) Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 14 2013,22:30
Oh, and because I can. . . . I've recorded 206+ games. Darius (plus games that have players with "dari" in their names) was in 40 of them. Of the 40, we won about 15 of them. Some of the 40 were games where I was with randoms and you guys weren't involved (not included in the 15 above. That 15 represents when our team (at least 4 of us or a TT game) faced a darius). And games where I was with random players and a Darious was involved, about half of them had Darius on the losing team, and half on the winning team. There were games where he'd go 15/4/12 and his team would lose (including some of our games) and there were games where he'd go 4/6/7 and win (one of our TT games where their Teemo had 26 kills).I seriously do not see a trend with Darius beating us. And if Darius games have an edge, it's because we give him one. Before the game even starts, morale is down and "surrender" is mentioned. It may be 'perceived' that Darius beats us, but the reality is, he doesn't. We remember when Darius beats us. At the end of the game "Fucking Darius OP bullshit". At the end of games we win against Darius "Hurray. We are awesome!". No mention of "Holy shit, we just beat Darius and that NEVER happens!". We forget we were even playing one. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 14 2013,22:59
Ok, the other stuff. . . .I have asked MANY times to point out what I'm doing wrong. Believe me, I WANT to know. Even when I don't agree (Noc feeding top on TT), I still listen and go out of my way to prove that I don't, or whatever. Bottom line, it becomes my mission to not feed top, which is the ultimate goal. So whether I agree or not is irrelevant. Know that I'm working on not doing what you say I'm doing wrong. So, fire away. I'll be the first to admit that my Viegar has sucked lately. I had a good run with him before Theo, but lately, it's not there. I'm adequate some games, below that in others. I've since switched to Ziggs and am doing WAY better with him. Not sure why. I went Veigar back in the day because my Ziggs was sucking. . . For what ever reason, I can't land the skill shots with Veigar the way I can with Ziggs right now. I also think people have gotten better at countering Veigar's stun. I used to be able to drop it with the enemy inside of it and they'd still hit it. They don't any more. This forces me to drop the edge of the circle right on the enemy. Much more of a skill shot than before. I've been practicing that, but have work to do still. I AM getting better at leading with my W though so it has a better chance of hitting them. But over all, I'm dying too much and not killing enough. That being said, if you see something specific that I'm doing wrong, speak up. I may not agree, but I DO listen. Me the leader. Ya, I know that. And I'm fine with that. I've always taken that role in our team based games. Well, UO. That's the only other one. But anyway, it's fun for me, so I do it. Plus, I know I'll do it better than everyone else anyway. :-) And when things start going bad, I don't think anyone is blaming me, or mad at me. However, I DO feel like they expect me to fix it. So when Gordon sighs, or Leisher complains that he's not getting farm, I feel like that's a passive aggressive (or blatant) hint that I need to change something. Not personally, but as a team. I need to get the team to do something different. Being the leader, it's my job to make sure the team is feeding our carry. Or that top isn't getting ganked by a 14/0/12 roaming champ. Etc. And that's when it gets frustrating for me. Because when I ask "What needs to change? What's going wrong?" The answer is more often "I don't know. You tell me.". Well, I can't! I'm not there! I can't watch every lane and evaluate every situation on the board. Leisher. You are not my scape goat. You are our carry. Our team strategy is built around getting you fed, you killing bad guys, you winning the game for us. So, if we are losing games, we have to look at why. And when our carry is not scoring kills (but our support is!) and he's saying that he's not getting farm, we have to change things. And it's going to involve you. Either you doing something different, or us doing something different so our carry can carry. Bottom line, it involves you. So don't look at it that I'm questioning, mentioning, evaluating, etc *YOU*. I'm doing all that to our carry. You (our carry) is the focus of our team strategy. So you (our carry) will be the focus of our team discussions. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 14 2013,23:33
Oh, Gordon. I do laugh when you do dumb things. And that is very passive aggressive of me. I will stop doing that. I will now be full on Rambo aggressive with you. :-) In all honesty, it's a hold over from the early days when you were very resistant to criticism. So, my laugh is a hint that you did something wrong that I wanted to point out but didn't have the balls to say it out loud.So, I will say something out loud. :-) Actually, I have already said it out loud. Your signature move is: Run into the whole enemy team, flip the first person you reach, continue running through the enemy team to poison/slow them until you are dead. Rinse and repeat. Singed is way more than that. And your Singed isn't good at that. . . First the latter. You build tanky. Tank is primary, damage is secondary. And when you are tanky, you survive longer. But, your damage is way less. So all the running around in there you are doing isn't doing very much damage. So it's not worth the suicide run you are doing. More that Singed can do. And this is from watching other Singed players, not just making things up, or whatever. In team fights, you are the initiator, not the tank. We dance and poke the other team. Wait for the weakness. Throw your glue at their carry that is over extended, etc. When you stick them good, run in and flip them. Your team will respond. You can count on us for that. If we don't, then yell at us. But once you flip, fall back. We are focusing whoever you flipped, and you are dying. Flip and fall back to us. But always wait for someone we can burst down. Even if it's not their carry. Just not the tank. Never the tank. So many times, when you flip the tank, the enemy team seizes on this. You flip the tank, so we are compelled to attack the tank. That's when they dash and dive and take out our damage dealers. Who you flip often decides the outcome of that encounter. OF COURSE when you flip the tank, we should all ignore the tank, focus their damage dealers that are diving and then yell at you afterwards. But, we don't. We attack who you flip. And you should never hit your ult and driving through the whole enemy team to get to the carry in the back. They just slow and focus you and you are dead before you reach them. And if you do reach them, you will just flip them into the middle of all their friends where we still can't get to them. We wait for them to make a mistake. They WILL get impatient and start moving forward. Wait for it. . . . Stay on target. . . When you are alone, or not against the whole other team. Run through them with your poison on, flip them, annoy the shit out of them. With damage as your focus, your flip and poison are going to hurt them. Send them home often and kill them as they get frustrated. There aren't may champs that can 1v1 an equally farmed singed. Stop using your ult as a mana potion. So many times I hear you say "My ult is on so I'm getting mana back and then I'll be ready to fight." You are wasting all that armor, speed, etc your ult gives you. I also know you use it a lot during the attack. So I'm not accusing you of not knowing how to use your ult. I'm saying you use it frivolously a lot. Lastly, your teleport. You use that frivolously too. :-) A spell should NEVER be used to help get farm (Scooty does this constantly and it drives me nuts). Using my ghost to get to the minions so I can get some gold before the turret kills them all is a waste in my opinion. Using my flash to go over a wall because I'm too lazy to run around it is a waste. etc. There are too many times when the enemy is pushing a lane or minions are actively killing a tower that those spells should be saved for. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 15 2013,07:58
1. I agree on everything about Darius. Is he OP? Yes. Hell, even Riot acknowledges that, and has stated that they're working on doing a rework of his kit. The fucking guy has armor like a tank, hits like an ADC, has Teemo's poison, and Garen ult with no cooldown. Anyone who thinks that kit isn't OP is drunk. That being said, we rarely see him played by an excellent player. Usually, it's some bum who just gets fed and pretends to be a good player. Darius is just like Trynd. Cut off his farm, and he's worthless. How do you cut off his farm? Kill him and/or make him recall a lot. Don't let him snowball. 2. As for Singed, if I can add my two cents, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd like to see you work on a full damage Singed. Drop the tanky runes, masteries, and items. Go full bore damage. Research it, and figure out what the pros do. Don't discount magic pen either. When I'm Teemo, those magic pen boots seem to make a world of difference. We always refer to "that one Singed", and apparently, that's exactly what Singed is supposed to do. There's a podcast called LowElo, which is directly promoted by Riot, and on episode 53 Phreak was on and Singed was discussed. They talked about him living in top, solo pushing it, and being unstoppable. Running past a wave of minions, and insta killing them all with that one pass. And understand, I don't hate your Singed play at all. In fact, I'm not sure that you don't have a perfect build for Singed on TT. I'm just trying to see if I can help you maximize Singed's potential damage because a Singed who can push an entire lane with one pass (clearing the way for our minions) is a son of a bitch annoyance that must constantly be dealt with by the enemy team. Especially, if he's unkillable by just one champ due to his high damage and escapability. It opens up the rest of the board for Singed's teammates to do whatever they want. Just keep in mind, that completely altering your build will make you more vulnerable, so there will need to be slight alterations to your play style, and you might die more odten early game...if I remember, "that one Singed" did, in fact, die often early in that game. 3. Your Veigar has sucked lately. When you first started playing him, I hated it because I don't like the champ, but you slowly showed his value. Now, you're back to the beginning with him. You're not hitting his stun, and even when you do, either you're too late with the bomb or they flash out of it. I think Veigar is your Graves. You have no confidence in him and how you're playing him, just like me with Graves. I also think Ziggs is your Ezreal. He's far more mobile, particularly due to his suitcase bomb and slow. He's got an almost global ult. But the most important thing is that you feel confident with him. Not sure what the fix is...probably practice. 4. I know I'm not your scapegoat, but it feels that way lately. Look, we've all fought. It happens. It's part of being on a team. I think the primary thing we need to do is work on better communication. Don't let things snowball. Give me a second to calm down if I get frustrated (good advice for this entire team of competitive people). And also, you know there's more shit going on then just me being frustrated. Call it out instead of just bickering with me. If you're honestly not seeing it, wait until post game and ask if anyone saw anything. We're all usually much calmer and able to take criticism post game. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 15 2013,10:35
< See? They're reworking Darius. >
Posted by Stranger on Jan. 15 2013,11:27
Kill stealer, maybe. I prefer to call it kill secured. But sacrificing my carry for a kill, NEVER! I'm not sure of the circumstances of the fight you are talking about but i can assure you i wasnt letting Leisher get killed just so i could get a kill. I embrace the roll of supporting and pulling off saves in this game. Yeah when we are on the offensive i try and put out as much damage as possible to help in the kill. It just so happens tha Sona has some damage that will pull off the last hit in the kill, but that is in no way intentional. As far as this losing streak and tension as of late.. Remember that just the week before we were all feeling our oats and bragging about our wins. So we decided that we were good enough for some ranked, we got most of our mains either banned or taken by the other team, AND WE GOT ROLLED!! So we all decided we needed to start expanding our roster of champs. And as to be expected it hasn't been the smoothest of rides, but i guess i was expecting that, we all should have been. Instead it turned into, we've gotta win and finger pointing commenced. Not to mention all of the sudden Scooty comes back into the mix and we decide to throw him in at support, i understand this thinking cause we haven't had a second person really fulfill that roll yet. But bottom lane takes two people that know how to work together and that just don't happen overnight. So now we've got Gordo learning a new build for Singed. Me and Cake going back to familiar rolls, but ones that we haven't done in a while, a brand new support and Leisher hell bent on learning Graves. That to me sounds like a recipe for losing. So why have we lost our focus? In the end its its a normal game and it doesn't really count towards anything. The ranked games are what we are really shooting for, aren't we? Last night i was talking to Leisher about how normal game match making works. And i did a little research today cause i thought i read it before. But in order for the game to keep normal game que times down (specially in premade 5's) Riot will match unfavorable matchups just to keep the games rolling. So we may be fighting 2000 ELO teams when we are in premade normals, we are not at that level. This usually isn't a problem in solo que as its pretty easy to find any number of people around your ELO, but finding a premade 5 at your ELO is a little more unlikely as more premades play in ranked. And yes there is a hidden ELO that Riot uses for normal games. There is no way to find out what yours is, but it is there. So actually if we played more ranked games we would eventually get to a point that we are playing our level of competition on a more regular basis. It may not have looked like that with our first two games, but we don't get an ELO rating untill our 10th game. So lets just chill out and work on what we need to work on. The wins will come, sometimes in big lumps all together sometimes few and far between. No need to take anything personal. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 15 2013,14:24
I hear what you are saying about kill stealing and kill securing. And I'm joking when I say you are doing it on purpose. Especially where I said you let him die. BUT your ult WAS cooled down and you didn't cast it until after he died. . . :-) I need to learn how to pull stuff out of those videos to post on YouTube. You didn't do it on purpose though (I don't think!). It was just one of those times that we could have won a fight had we done one split second thing differently. But anyway. . . . My only wish for Stranger's support is that he focus more on those fights where he's helping secure the kill, and then takes it. I know in the heat of the moment, it's hard to judge if your shot will be the final one, or one that leaves 2hp. Or if the carry is in range to take the shot. Or if the carry's abilities are cooled down and they are about to finish him, etc. BUT, that's part of being the support. Knowing that stuff. There are MANY times when we are in a fight and I KNOW my ability is about to kill someone and with a half a second delay, I can evaluate if my carry is in range, etc. But I don't. I just take the kill and then feel guilty for it afterwards. So I am trying to practice what I'm preaching as well. I'm trying to be more sensitive to situations. Not so much when I'm playing mid (because I think they should be farming along with the carry), but when I'm jungle. There are a ton of my kills where I say to myself "I didn't have to take that shot". And these are times when the carry was in plenty of range, there was no way the target was getting away, etc.So, that's all I have to say about support. Your team buff items are great. You remember to use them! etc. The only place I see room for improvement is micro analyzing the fights and not taking that kill shot unless it's absolutely necessary. My Veigar. Ya, he's been sucking. And I don't think it's so much that I've gotten rusty with him (because he's been my go to mid when solo queueing so he gets played). I think people have just gotten better at playing against him. It's not so much that I'm missing the circle. . . it's that people have learned to dash, flash, jump, etc, through it. Often times they are still stunned (after dashing, etc. Flash still negates the circle), but no where near where we expected them to be. I've never taken the time to learn how to drop the circle edge directly on someone. That's what I need to do now. So, yes, more practice and a change in tactics for me. Hell, even I don't get caught by Veigar's circle as much any more. I learn to anticipate it (if Veigar is charging, you KNOW he's going to lead with it. It's often best to close in on him. You end up in his circle, but you can cast on him cause you are close to him and you have room to avoid his W spell that's falling from the sky). So, I'm taking Veigar out of my line up with you guys, putting Ziggs back in and practicing offline with Veigar before I bring him back to our team. Ziggs: I left Ziggs for Veigar because I couldn't land any of his spells. Too many bombs and ults missing because I'm not leading/anticipating correctly. This will ALWAYS be a problem for him because his spells are so delayed. But I think all the skill shots with Amumu and Naut have helped hone my aim. I'm learning how to compensate for the delay and I also use my mine field to herd the enemy to a choke point. They are going to either run through my mine field, or take a balloon to the head. I also fight closer to the enemy and use my satchel charge to jump away from trouble. It's so fun doing that. A melee champ dives me, I drop it, pop it, I go flying towards my turret, they go flying away from me! Owned. . . I got messed up by a fizz the other night though. His dash will dash PAST or through me. So, when he dove, he was between me and my turret. I drop my satchel as normal, and when set off, it blasts BOTH of us towards my turret. So, he's still on me beating the shit out of me. PLUS, his fucking E that bounces him on his trident and allows him to avoid our abilities keeps him from taking turret hits. So, I will still burst him down to nothing, but then he hops out of the turret, with NO health and a turret shot heading his way to kill him. But, he's bouncing on his trident and takes no damage and survives. I have to fight him differently. . . But anyway, I'm having acceptable games, and really good games, with Ziggs right now. So, that's who I'm using. Theo update. I got a message from him the other night saying he expects to be back online in two weeks. Scooty: Your biggest problem is taking orders during a game. Played a couple of TT games and we got rolled. We were having a lot of trouble against a singed. When targets were being called, we weren't responding as a team. Snarky remarks started flying and the night ended on a very sour note. Practice what you preach. Listen to the leader. I've often said that I'm not perfect and won't always make the right call. But having everyone on the same page is better than everyone being scattered. Don't leave the team because you think I'm wrong. If I'm wrong, school me after the game. I'm all ears and would love the feedback. But in game, either take over as leader (I have no problems passing it on) or do what I say. I didn't say "You suck and are stupid". I said "Stay with your team, we needed you in that fight". Your response was "I don't know why you guys are chasing singed. That's the number one thing you don't do with him". As I showed you in the video after the game (I love these things!), we were not chasing singed. We DID engage him, he got the upper hand, and we retreated. His flip and slow were keeping us in the fight. We continued to retreat, but also fought back. We made it to our turret. He dove us. He killed me. Gordon got away. You finally came down and easily killed Singed. Had you been there from the point where I called Singed as the target (you were with us when the target was called, but you went top instead), we would have killed him, chased him away, or something, instead of trading deaths. But with our own slows, flips and damage output, I'm highly confident we would have killed him. But bottom line, a call was made in the game, you ignored it, not cool. ESPECIALLY without saying anything. At least the other time you ignored a called target, you said "I don't care, I'm killing Ashe" and we knew you weren't there and didn't count on you, pulled out, lost our alter, but didn't die in the process. So, ya, I had a big problem with your teamwork that night. If I'm making bad calls during a game, please, PLEASE, someone take over. I'm not going to fight you. There are times when I just don't read things right. LOTS of times when I'm shouting "FALL BACK FALL BACK" and no one listens and you guys ace them. Then I say "Good thing you guys didn't listen to me!". If my calls are bad, someone take over. But no matter who the leader is, we've got to listen to him. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 15 2013,15:07
After last night I was ready to take a break from the game for the rest of the week but I had to kill a cat today and now I am sad and LOL PROBLEMS don't even seem to matter so whatever. I'll be on tonight.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 16 2013,19:17
hay guyz we should turn this into the Civ 5 multi thread!!!!!1!!
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 17 2013,02:04
Getting the hang of Rengar again. Using him as an assassin instead of a front line fighter. I stealth (back up to 7 seconds) and pounce on their squishies and/or almost dead. Rapid fire all of my abilities and I can rack up the damage. Playing front line, he's like any other melee carry. Super squishy and vulnerable. Over all, not doing too bad with him again.Something else. I saw an item called Hextek Sweeper. Reveals enemy's stealthed traps. Does that include Teemo mushrooms? I did a quick forum search but didn't see anything. The threads that showed up were 50+ pages long and I didn't try to scan every page for the answer! But, something we might want to test sometime. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 17 2013,06:46
QUOTE Getting the hang of Rengar again. Using him as an assassin instead of a front line fighter. I stealth (back up to 7 seconds) and pounce on their squishies and/or almost dead. Rapid fire all of my abilities and I can rack up the damage. Playing front line, he's like any other melee carry. Super squishy and vulnerable. Over all, not doing too bad with him again. He was just buffed in the latest patch. QUOTE Something else. I saw an item called Hextek Sweeper. Reveals enemy's stealthed traps. Does that include Teemo mushrooms? I did a quick forum search but didn't see anything. The threads that showed up were 50+ pages long and I didn't try to scan every page for the answer! But, something we might want to test sometime. Off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure they altered some item to help make Teemo less of a force on TT because people were saying his mushrooms were unfair as they're essentially wards. I don't know which item or what it does though. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 17 2013,09:58
The bonus clip made me laugh. It's a Singed clip. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 17 2013,10:08
So Singed CAN flip over the wall...
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 17 2013,12:12
< The new ranked. >
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 17 2013,12:16
< Tribunal notes >If you report a lot and those aren't upheld by Tribunal, then your reports mean less to the point where you might as well not report. The opposite is true if your reports are punished by Tribunal often. Your reports will hold lots of weight. Nobody has EVER been banned for lack of skill. Lyte is also pretty sure nobody has been banned for failure to communicate. Posted by Trooper on Jan. 17 2013,22:59
Just thought I'd let the rest of the team know. . . We will be having a 7th joining us for tomorrow nights games. I myself will be sitting out of a couple games to have him tried out in my place, and we'll see how he fairs which ever position we decide he'll fit best in based on his play style. Met him in a random game tonight freshening up on my Warwick jungle, as I'm trying to find ANYTHING I can perform better with as your support jungler, while still being able to stay up with levels, provide decent ganks, and keep a decent farm going. Anyway, not the focus of this post, back to the new guy. His team lost that particular game pretty hard, as my team seemed to have a VERY good synergy responding to different lanes for gank's (Yes, Jungle wasn't the only one ganking!), and over all making smart decisions and playing together as a team. His team however, was the exact opposite.... No team play, terrible decisions, and just over-all bad play. This guy was playing Kat in mid, and despite constantly being shut down in mid by myself and bot coming in for gank's with mid, he managed to hold his own pulling in great farm (from somewhere? He was a part of every team fight, so I still haven't the slightest clue where he was getting it from), pulling off a ton of great kills especially in the team fights despite his team losing almost every single one, and just played very strong and smart overall the entire game. Other thing that really got me was his lack of Hitlerness. Not once made a negative comment, always congratulated and joked when we killed him, was a very positive and fun person to play with all the way to the final scoreboard (Reminded me of Theo quite a bit actually). So based on what I saw, I'm going to request he replace me for a few games tomorrow night for a tryout period, we can see what he plays the strongest and what champions/roles he can fill for us. He sounds very excited and happy to join us, and will be able to join us in Steam chat and such. I've got him added in-game, and will be getting his Steam info tomorrow (He had to log early to write a term paper so I didn't get the chance to pick it up before he left). Just thought I might let you all know in advance so you're not surprised when you meet him tomorrow night. Lets hope hes a good respectable player like the rest of us! Can use all the talent we can find. Also came up with an idea while writing this up, maybe run a custom game tomorrow night instead of a normal queue? That way I can still participate, just on the opposite side of the board. We can let the rest of my team fill up with randoms (shouldn't take long at all). Just a thought, see you all tomorrow night. Posted by Stranger on Jan. 18 2013,13:46
looks like i might be out this weekend. I've gotta work tmrow and i have plans for saturday night. We'll see though, ill try and be on
Posted by Trooper on Jan. 18 2013,14:24
< Mumble Client Download >Please get this, so we can help this voice lag issue. Steam is extremely unreliable. If its not crashing or DC'ing, it's voice lag is terrible and the lack of settings/controls is really frustrating. Did a ton of research, and from what I've found this program has the least amount of lag, has loads of options/settings, and isn't steam (So no constant DC's or issues). Steam drastically decreases our ability to communicate as a team, and stay on the same page in game. Its soooooooo grinding when I yell out an ult or a gank and nobody follows until seconds later because of all the lag. That's mainly why I've just quit talking in voice, and resorted to using pings. They're annoying as hell, but appear instantly at least.... Posted by Trooper on Jan. 18 2013,19:39
Doucher random blew TKV off. As far as I'm concerned, that's an instant disapproval. Nobody is "busy" for a TKV tryout night. Hell no. SO! I'll be on and playing with everyone par usual =] and as long as its okay, I'll keep on looking for and recruiting good players!
Posted by Trooper on Jan. 18 2013,19:54
Assuming that's okay with you guys? What are your thoughts on finding more talent to add to the team. As far as I'm concerned we can never have enough "skilled random players". What if one of the true TKV'ers isn't available that night? It's nice to have a selection of GOOD randoms to chose from. Theo for instance. At least i hope you guys pick me over him, as i'm the son of the creator of TKV, it's nice to have a few extras to chose from that we know will be reliable in the role we need. Lemme know what you think.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 18 2013,22:15
I didn't create TKV.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 18 2013,22:18
In other news, Theo said he bought his CPU and is working on getting his PC running tonight. He told me which CPU he was buying from Newegg and I told him about the sale at Microcenter that always beats Newegg and he went and bought it.So, there's that. As far as voice comms. Steam is easy. Really really easy. Yes, there is a 1 second lag (I hear scooty say something next to me and about .75 seconds later, it's in my headset). I'm not sure picking up another .25-.5 seconds is going to save lives. Lets just keep talking louder when you need people to hear you faster. :-) Posted by Leisher on Jan. 18 2013,22:18
If everyone jumps to Mumble, I will. QUOTE What are your thoughts on finding more talent to add to the team. Eh. I'd like to add more folks we can play with, but I don't want to create a situation where we're turning away lots of folks for others. We're already in a bit of a jam because we have 6, and I like playing with them all. (Because I'm a whore.) I think it'd be great to add folks to friend lists, and play with them as needed, but let's not get more folks on nightly expecting to play. QUOTE as i'm the son of the creator of TKV I thought Cake was your dad? Your dad didn't create TKV. It was actually in UO before him, and was handed down to us. I was the first person here in UO, and was invited to join TKV. Cake and Gordo followed soon after. I don't remember the succession plan, but I think Curt handed it to me, and me to Cake? Don't remember. Cake, Gordon, Jav, some others I don't remember, and cameos by me put TKV on the map though. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 19 2013,00:00
Kronos, Za and support from LDR made it possible. Without them. . . I dunno. They REALLY sped us along the learning curve.Rand Al Thor (or something close to that) started the guild. I got there as the founders were leaving the game, or going to LDR. Leisher handed things off to Gordon and me when he left. We recruited some RL friends and Kronos and Za took us under their wings as well. When we finally figured out that UO was about PVP and not dungeon crawling, we went to Kronos and Za for help. They convinced LDR members to join our guild for our first couple of wars. Watching them, we learned by leaps and bounds. Then they all broke off and we carried it on from there. I never really saw LDR in their large scale wars (ours, when they were with us, were pretty small). So not sure who was better in the end. Us or them. But I'm betting we did WAY more with less. Oh! And of course Maydchen (your mom!), bank rolled us, and then even joined the fighting. But ya, I'm not the founder. I was just the one "in charge". As in, about as "in charge" as I am now. Posted by Trooper on Jan. 19 2013,09:21
The creator of "League Ranked TKV", so I guess I could have worded things better.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 19 2013,10:29
(Leisher @ Jan. 19 2013,01:18) QUOTE Cake, Gordon, Jav, some others I don't remember, and cameos by me put TKV on the map though. Actually I think that TKV was put on the map by Gordon, Cake, Jav, and some others. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 19 2013,10:55
(GORDON @ Jan. 19 2013,13:29) QUOTE (Leisher @ Jan. 19 2013,01:18) QUOTE Cake, Gordon, Jav, some others I don't remember, and cameos by me put TKV on the map though. Actually I think that TKV was put on the map by Gordon, Cake, Jav, and some others. Cute. So you're equating me to your LoL play? ![]() Posted by GORDON on Jan. 19 2013,16:03
Anyone on tonight?
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 19 2013,16:09
I have company, so it would be later for me.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 19 2013,16:09
I'm heading to a party. I'm out tonight.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 22 2013,13:03
< Two more pros permabanned. >You've got to respect Riot banning high profile people. It sends a clear message. Posted by Trooper on Jan. 22 2013,15:37
Anybody planning on making an appearance tonight?! I'll be off work at 9, so me and Randy should be ready to go by around 9:30ish? I will be at least.
Posted by Trooper on Jan. 23 2013,18:40
Just kidding, I guess you're all playing with Theo now. Its been fun or something?
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 23 2013,18:53
Actually, we're sitting here wondering if you and Cake are getting online tonight or not.And if you want to discuss your perceived slight, jump on and we'll chat. You know I'll give you an honest response. Here's a hint: You are incorrect in your assumption. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 23 2013,19:43
So we go from "We need more talent to draw from so I'm recruiting" to "I guess you like Theo more than me".
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 23 2013,20:08
Nothing personal. Scooty stopped playing with us, we found someone who would join us... now we are supposed to dump him because Scooty wants to play?
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 24 2013,05:45
Regarding last night's "Why can Teemo see me in the weeds?" issue I had.I just watched the replay at that part. Be careful of the middle weeds, bottom lane. It can appear you are well within the weed boundary, but you may still be visible. I wasn't invisible. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 24 2013,07:15
First to Scooty, Cake and Gordo nailed it, although in different tones.Nobody has said they don't want to play with you. Not even remotely. In fact, I know at least two of us thought you had quit the game. Not only were you not playing with us, but you weren't playing. We were looking for a 5th for a long time, and then Theo was brought in. He's a nice guy, meshed right in, and played with us for a while. Now you're back, which is great, but it does cause this issue. An issue that I argued would occur if we ever had more than 5 people. I realize the pro teams have more than 5, but they also have a "1st team", and the alternates are very aware of their role. We don't have either, nor should we. I honestly think we just need to move forward knowing we've got 6 guys who can play, and we go into evenings knowing that whomever is on last, they might sit. Theo seems to be on nightly. Ditto for Gordo. I'm on most nights. Stranger is 50/50. You and Cake are more like 70/30, but get on really late. The night you posted this, it just happened to work out that Theo, Stranger, Gordo, and me were already logged on, and waiting. So you two were obviously last to get online, obviously Cake's going to Last night, had you and Cake gotten on before 11:30, we would have had a 5 man team as Stranger wasn't on. However, Theo logged off between 10-11, so Cake, Gordo, and I wound up in TT. So going forward, don't just assume that we don't want to play with you. It simply isn't true. And don't hop online to post passive aggressive stuff like that. I thought we agreed as a team that we need to cut that stuff out? Onto the TT game from last night: There were some odd things going on. You might have been standing too close to the edge of the bush, but Cake and I watched their whole team multiple times at top being revealed in a bush. It was really odd. Teemo was attacking from the bush and it'd reveal him, but it would also show his teammates in the bush who weren't attacking. Also, Cake attacked a jungle spawn, and I was recalling out just above it. I didn't do anything, and the jungle spawn came up and attacked me. Maybe I auto attacked it or something, but when I saw my screen flash because I was taking damage, and focused on what was going on Teemo wasn't autoattacking, and the monster was still there, so that was really on. I think Cake said the jungle spawns did something else weird. On a different note: I'm going to toy with my rune page for ADC. I want to see what happens in a game if I bring heavy damage (full damage runes) into a game instead of having a mix of armor, MR, or AS. If anyone can find the runes/masteries of pro ADCs, let me know. I see all the mobafire stuff, but most is outdated, and none are from the actual pros. Also, I still think we need to really look at our team comp for 5s. We don't have to match the S2 meta, but we can't all be squishy unless we switch our style to more of a roaming team that baits and assassinates. We're more of a head on team, so we need more tanky folks with aoe. We need more stuns/slows. For example, if Cake was jungling with Amumu, and we only ever fought team fights when his ult was up...Well, that's 2 seconds of uninterrupted damage we can drop on an enemy team. If we focus their damage dealers, fight's over. (We've had a few Amumu teams do this exact tactic to us...) Oh, and one other thing I've been meaning to mention, a few of us need to work on our pathfinding. If the enemy is pushing our second tier mid turret, and you're heading to support, cutting through the jungle and closer to them then your teammates, isn't the best path to take. One thing that has really stood out to me lately is how one of us will get caught making that mistake, and then the rest try to help, and ACE! That's the sort of mistake that leads to more mistakes like entering fights one at a time. (We actually had this exact scenario happen last night.) So basically, everyone should always be thinking, "Take the longer, but safe way to the standoff." Posted by Stranger on Jan. 24 2013,08:08
< http://www.lolpro.com/ >< http://solomid.net/ > Those are the two sights that i commonly go to to find builds. They are Team Curse and Team Solo Mid's actual websights. They are two of the better and long standing North American teams that have been on the sceen and doing the whole world championship thing since season one. Alot of those builds are by the pro themselves or builds by other people that are approved by them or get lots of up votes from the community. So see what you think, maybe you will like it. Some of those guids are really well written. And Leisher, im not sure if your rune setup is necessarily bad the last time i looked you had armor, AD, AD/pen, and attack speed. I think that is a pretty common setup for AD and you will prolly find that most of those builds will be pretty close to that. I personally think your problem is Graves. Im sorry but you play Ezreal much better and have carried our team much better with him. I know you want to learn Graves but i don't think that it's working for you. Not saying that you can't learn him but he just doesn't seem to fit your playstyle or whatever. We all have the same thing with different champs. Im sure if any one of us was having a hard time with one champ we wouldn't force the issue to try and be good with them. Just move on to another champ, there are plenty of other ones out there. I know you used to own mid with MF, why haven't you ever tried her on bottom? Don't take this as a personal attack, or a reason why we haven't been winning. Remember we are trying out new champs to expand our roster so its expected to have these things happen. Theo's Karthus and Arhi have been underwhelming, but if he's gonna play mid he needs to play something other than Akali. Alex is trying lots of new jungle champs and is expanding his roster real well, we just need to think of team comp when he goes tanky or assasin. Its just that our AD carry IS the most important killing machine we have. And getting 5 kills a game just don't cut it. I really want you to think of trying someone else. You have proven that Ezreal is right up your ally, and you have the ability to rip off tons of kills with him. I have heard you many times say that someone just got away or they walked right into your ult and they walked away like nothing happened. Its just he's not your cup of tea, and i don't think you doing the 100 game challenge with him is gonna make any difference. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 24 2013,10:23
The other evening, I actually felt far more comfortable with Graves. Had a nice double digit kill game and we got some wins. However, you're preaching to the choir. I still do not have a love of playing him. It's coming. I'll admit I've started liking him more, but I don't feel him. I just don't like the character. I don't like his dance or sayings. I don't like his smoke circle. I don't love his Q. I also don't like his ult, which the more I think about, the more I realize that I've rarely died to a Graves ult. I've pondered this a lot, and thought about the champs I've had lots of success playing with like Trynd, Teemo, Ez, MF, Fiora, etc. and I think I'm going to concentrate on champs that fit my strengths. So take those 5 as my examples: With Trynd and Fiora, it's melee and jungling. Both have escapability or a way to close the gap. Both have high damage. Both have a moment where they can't be targeted (in Trynd's case, he can, but you're a moron if you do). The playstyle is highly mobile, and there's a "Fuck it" attitude that comes with playing them where you throw yourself into fights thinking, "If I walk out of this alive, it's because they're all dead." This will be familiar to Stranger because it's how I played Brick in BL. With Teemo, Ez, and MF it's all about the harass. Teemo and Ez have built in moves to escape, while MF's passive is about speed, and her harass shot has massive range. All three have AS or AS boosts. I like all three ults. Those three also force me to stay more on the outside of fights. That's where they should be, especially MF. Graves can't be that far out because he has no range. So I always end up closer and it allows teams to focus him (something we need to do better as a team). So to sum up, if I got stuck playing Graves in ranked, it'd be fine. I know the character now. I've had some success with him, but he's not my first choice. Since we're playing normal games and essentially practicing, I think because I'm not loving playing him, and you don't love supporting him, let's switch things up: So here's my options: -Graves - I'm moving him to an occasional play just to stay familiar. -Ez - No matter what, I'm going to play him in 1 out of every 3-5 games. I want to stay fresh with him, and right now he'd be my top choice if we played ranked. -MF - I can bot with her, or we can completely throw off the meta, and I can take her mid again. I used to dominate mid champs with her, and the theory was that they don't have runes and such setup to deal with facing an AD champ in lane. Her problem is a lack of an AOE that isn't her ult, and no real escape move. -Ashe - Similar to Ez, except missing a great escape move. -Corki - He's slow to move, but has a good escape, more range than Graves, a lot of ults, and an aoe ability. -Caitlyn - Brings Teemo's mushrooms...kinda, and she's fine in lane, but her ult is meh. -Draven - I really feel he's gimmicky, but his ult is Ashe/Ez-like... -Varus - I did enjoy playing him, although he misses a good escape move. -Teemo - He's the most interesting because I can play him top, mid, or bot. Not getting double digit kills with him in a game is disappointing. I could go AD with him, OR... (The rest is just going to be "for fun" speculation talk.) Why don't we break the meta? What if we had someone take a ranged AD mid, and let Teemo go bot as full AP? Neither their mid, nor their ADC would have runes prepped to face damage from the opposite source thanks to people sticking with the meta. We could even let a tank go top, and have Gordo jungle as GP. The idea would be for bot and mid to play aggressive and really harass, while top plays defensive. Meanwhile, Gordo jungles until lvl 6. Then we're completely prepared for team fights. Or Gordo stays top, Cake jungles with Amumu, and Theo plays Karthus who will have a field day ulting folks who basely escape me and Gordo's poison after Cake has ulted them. Who says the ADC has to be in bot? Like I said earlier, we used to rock her in mid, and I tore folks up with her. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 24 2013,11:17
< Riot drops ban hammer on three more pros. >Two of those are LIFETIME bans! Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 24 2013,13:29
The risk of copying a pro's setup, is that we don't play like pros. There are runes/maseteries that scale better late game that they use, but, going heavier damage instead of the prefect page is better for us noobs. Early game, you MUST get last hits. If you don't get your last hits, you will be out farmed, out itemed, and then you are in trouble. You must get last hits! So, my rune page is a mix of as and ad. Enough AD that I hit about 90% of the last hits. It's uncommon for my opponent to be out CSing me. Also, I notice you buy your boots early. I often don't buy ANY boots until after I have my BF sword. Again, early game, I shouldn't need speed. I want last hits. But, you and I lane differently. I don't push my lane. I'm more comfortable on my side of the board. I don't let them push so hard that I'm under my turret losing last hits to it. But I'm not pushed out beyond the mid point either. Now I don't need the speed the boots bring because I'm close to my turret for safety. If there's an opportunity for a kill, I still have my flash and my dash to close distance. With an early BF sword, you melt the opponent as well. I don't always score that kill, but they ALWAYS go home, or play way back losing a lot of last hits. I like laning with support that can pull the enemy to me too. Blitz, Naut, Alistar, etc. This means I don't have to over extend (remember, no boots!) but can get lots of hits on the enemies. And this is why I like Graves, and why he may not work for you. Different play styles.And I picked Graves because of how well he did in all the ranked games I played. Ez and Graves were the most popular carries I'd see. Playing ranked games. Gordon and Leisher miss out on a lot of training potential because they won't solo queue ranked games. Of course you don't win them all. Of course there are idiots screaming/trash talking. But the information you leave with is invaluable. Watching more competitive play, having to participate in more competitive play, REALLY helps you step up your own play. Gordon mentioned that we just aren't getting any better. I propose it's because we don't put ourselves in a situation where we HAVE to play better. When we start losing, we go back to our safe champs and even then, it doesn't always work. Gordon is back to playing Singed only. Our techniques and strategies are easily blown when the smallest new thing is thrown in. I've said it a million times, you only get better when you play against people who are better than you. Posted by Stranger on Jan. 24 2013,13:56
personally i like to look at pro builds to get a good general idea of what their general strategy with a champ is. Like what items do they start with, what skills do they level first and of course runes and masteries. But i take that into my own gaming style. I've got items that i like to build on my supports and jungle that most pros might suggest to build later or earlier, but the general idea of a build is there. There are rune setups that i have become comfortable with but im not opposed to trying something different just to see if i like something there. The big thing that i notice is that not every game should be the same exact build in the same exact order. You've gotta be able to adjust to what the other team is building and what you will be facing.
Posted by Stranger on Jan. 24 2013,14:41
Thresh is now out.. he's considered a support, guess im gonna have to buy him
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 24 2013,17:25
Yeah fine. I just jumped in the solo queue for some PVP.I was a nanosecond late calling top, so hey wanted my Singed support bottom... with Thresh. We did great on the bottom. I personally got a double kill at first contact about 3 minutes in, and Thresh had a double kill as soon as they respawned and came back 5-6 minutes in. At one point the score was 10-1 as I killed the first turret. And long story short, my team would never follow me in to push at the right time, and we ended up getting beaten while leading in kills about 35-30. Enemy team had a very well-fed Zed at the end. So that is what I get in solo queue. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 24 2013,18:51
When I play solo queue, of course I try to win, but I mainly use it for training. Trying a different champ, watching other people play theirs. If you are just trying to win and have a fun game, you shouldn't be in SQ. I lose most of my SQ games. Look at my ranked record. But I know what to expect when I'm in a ranked game.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 24 2013,21:46
Regarding my "Why did the turret stop targeting Hecarim" accusation...According to the replay, the turret was targeting a minion directly under him, then targeted another minion after that. Hec was never the target. Posted by Stranger on Jan. 25 2013,09:59
Just a couple notes on Thresh that i noticed in game yesterday. His lantern is prolly his best ability. I know its a different mechanic and it takes some getting used to, i know i will need to get better at knowing when and where is the best place to lay it. Just remember, all you have to do is click it and you will go directly to my location. It does also give a shield to anyone thats in the area, but thats not what its most useful for.So some situations i would be using it: -the first thing that comes to mind would be a tower dive. I place the lantern up by the enemy tower and proceed to walk back. Whoever is around dives on the enemy, gains a shield, kills them and clicks on the lantern and is now back in the protection of thier awesome support. Note, i can also throw this over walls. -Second, engaging.. i drop the lantern at my current location, land my hook and pull myself to the enemy. One of you click the lantern and teleport to my location and proceed to kill. This is a good way of getting two of us on someone really quickly from long range, as his hook is longer than Blitz's. -falling behind when we are chasing? click on the lantern to catch up to the group.. The reverse is true if we are getting chased. -in trouble in the jungle? see a lantern? click it to hop over walls to safety. Just think of it as another flash, but one that can cover three times the distance. There are obviously many uses for this, and the range at which you can teleport to me is HUGE. Seriously it has some major range. But its gonna take some getting used to. I had troubles landing his hook on many occasions cause it has a long slow wind-up. So i will be trying him out a little more cause i think his utility can be very useful. I will need to get better at placing it in the right locations for its best use. But by all means, use it liberally thats what its there for. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 25 2013,10:09
I heard there was some discussion regarding role changes. What's the dealio?
Posted by Stranger on Jan. 25 2013,10:32
must have been discussed after i logged off. im up for whatever, just tell me my roll and i'll own!
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 25 2013,10:33
News to me.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 25 2013,12:26
QUOTE Just a couple notes on Thresh that i noticed in game yesterday. There was one moment that really impressed me with him. When we were caught in the jungle, and you went one way, and I went the other. The enemy chased me and you threw your lantern over the wall. At the time, I didn't know to look for it, but afterwards I thought about it, and that was pretty cool. Aside from that, he seems to be a squishy Blitzcrank. The lantern is cool, but is it too gimmicky, and taking away from more valuable abilities? I mean, it's great for running away, and...ganking? I don't know. We'll have to keep trying him and find out. Perhaps he's the initiator we've been needing? He flings out his chain, catches someone, then ults when their team responds? QUOTE I heard there was some discussion regarding role changes. What's the dealio? Some discussion, but not like anyone was saying, "This is what we're doing now!" Last night was essentially a throw away night. Gordo was rocking GP, Stranger was firsting Thresh, I was boting Teemo, etc. It certainly wasn't our normal lineup. However, we did learn some things and that's mainly what was discussed. I'll number these so they're easy to reference: 1. Team comp MUST be discussed. (The biggest issue to a few of us.) We often go into games as the squishier team, and without a solid initiator. When Cake was rocking Amumu, he had that massive ult that was the key to starting and winning fights. We're missing that, and it's amazing because multiple people on the team have complained about it for a while. The answer isn't making Cake always play Amumu, but someone in every game has to have that initiate/aoe/multiple stun/slow ability for our fights. 2. As for roles... -Theo really wants to get to top, and honestly, he's not our best mid, especially without Akali. He claims his Wu-Kong and Shyvana are awesome at top. Both are good initiators... -Anyway, the talk was if he moved to top, where does Gordo go, who fills mid, etc. If you're wondering, my thought for Gordo would be jungle as a tank. He's used to tanking with Singed, but he needs a tank with a great init like Amumu or Rammus. Rammus might be up his alley since his aoe is sort of like the Singed poisoning mechanic. Nunu support is still an option too. Although...you know who used to give me problems in mid? Critplank. The whole build was setup to give him the best possible chance for crit hits via his Q, and maximum damage. He was an asshole. He'd barely farm, and mostly just harass, which sent me home to heal...a lot. Then he'd farm. It's not fun to lane against a guy who's taking 1/3 to 1/2 of your health each hit. 3. We need to pull our heads out of our asses and stop holding ourselves back. One thing our team has always suffered from is a fear of failing. It typically rears its head when we get into losing streaks. We try too hard to do our role, and the team gets sacrificed in the process. I know I'm one of the best examples of this problem. We're just making stupid mistakes, and we need to minimize them. In fact, "minimize the damage" should be our mantra. Examples: -Are two of us being chased down mid lane back to our base with no help available? Break off in different directions. This gives both better odds of survival, makes aoe attacks worthless, and stalls for more time for our defense. -STOP CHASING! -Still attacking dragon despite knowing the entire enemy team is there and knows we're there. -Not rushing into fights one at a time (one of Cake's biggest complaints), but at the same time, knowing not to group up in a line for someone's ult. -Pathfinding. This one is a common mistake. Many of us take the shortest path at all times, which can be fine, but I can't count how many times I've watched teammates go in a direct line from X-Y to help defend or whatever from the enemy team, which is also between X-Y. Go the long, safer route, PLEASE! I'd rather use some mana to try and delay the enemy team a few more seconds then watch you get massacred in a 5v1 that almost always leads to our 1 at a time patented fighting style. ![]() 4. Feeding - We're doing way too much of it. We need to stop taking so many risks and getting out of position or just losing focus. Not sure what the fix is on that, but our games would go so much better if we'd stop giving other teams a huge money lead. So yeah, nothing ground breaking, and really nothing that hasn't been brought up previously. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 25 2013,12:29
I was wondering about GP in the jungle. I could start trying that.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 25 2013,16:45
I'll be on 10ish. Not later, most likely.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 26 2013,00:24
I'm questioning the assigned role thing now. I'm a better Graves than Leisher (I think!), he's a better Teemo mid than I am Veigar mid. I'm a better Ziggs mid than Theo is Ahri mid. Etc. No one is better at support than Stranger though. Which is a HUGE problem when he's not playing. . . .Point is, play our strengths instead of our roles. We had some really good games with the new line up early. Then we played sloppy, then theo got owned at top. As your leader, what happened at top with Theo isn't going to happen again! A melee champ against Darius is what makes him "op". ANY champ who gets to farm an easy champ is going to be "op". I don't think Darius is any more op than Trynd. Had Theo gone with Jayce instead of Wu that game, it would have been VERY different. Even late game with Darius super over fed, I wasn't afraid to face him and even scored a couple kills on him. But I'm ranged. I know how far his axe reaches now, and even when I got caught in it, I had my dash on reserve. I would also go back and heal when I'm at 75%, because I know he can burst the shit out of me. Yes, I made mistakes that game too. I'm just sharing what I know about Darius and how to fight him. Theo even admitted "Darius is a perfect counter to Wu". Why did we leave it that way? The last two games, we didn't get beat by better teams, we were stupid. The second to last game, we got zoned out by Kog. Then his range and power really became an issue and things went down hill fast. I've often preached pink eye as jungler, but haven't been practicing it real well lately. After laning against two teams in a row that used vision wards and pink eye of their own to keep us blind. . . No more. It's back to being the second item on my buy list. Not after boots. Not after some damage items. Right out of the gate. By the time Gordon showed up with pink eye, the damage had long been done. Varus had a huge CS lead over me because Sona would park in the weeds next to us and poke and slow to Varus could poke and slow. At one point, I almost bought pink eye because I figued it would pay for it self by letting me farm again! Scooty's build order was crazy wacky, in my opinion. He was building boots and a black cleaver as Caitlyn before damage items. He was doing hardly any damage. My second to last game, I fed hard against Kog. I don't know how to counter him to be honest. I don't know that we had anyone on the board that could have done any better. His range. Blah. If anyone has anything for this. . . speak up. But that made me pull my head out of my ass and made sure I didn't feed the next (last) game. I think tonight's games prepared us for ranked games better than other games in the past. Instead of shoe horning us into rolls with champs that aren't our strong points because that's our roll, we played champs we were good at in different rolls. Ranked game, Ez gets banned or picked, don't force Leisher to play Graves if it's not a good match. Let someone who feels better there play it. I feel better as Graves right now than I do Veigar mid. I think Leisher did better as Teemo mid than he does Graves carry. That was an excellent switch in my opinion. I felt Gordon finally had a really good game as Gang out of the jungle. I WOULD like to see more ganks. But the second game, he had a really good score and was knocking a lot of champs down late game. Normally, he's the first one to die in a fight. :-) Last two games tonight, we just lost our focus. Champs I like to see on the board: Amumu Naut Graves Ez Wu Gang Teemo Ziggs Trynd Any of Stranger's supports except Blitz. 1/10/4 as blitz. Blah! I don't expect a lot of kills from our support, but normally it's like 3/11/27. With 4 assist.. .. . who were you supporting!! Akali Champs I'd like to see on the board: Jayce Nidalee Fizz Xin Cho Those guys counter a lot of champs we have trouble with and are hard to deal with when played well. And yes, I have a lot of my champs on that list. :-) BUT, I build my list based on what I see other people play in ranked games and how well they do. I don't always play as good as them, but I see the potential, so they are on my list. I've been revisiting Rengar because the latest patch put some life back into him. Not sure if he should be on our list because I don't know he fits our team comps yet. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 26 2013,09:29
It seemed like in the last 2 games not only was i getting counterjungled a lot harder than in the first 2 games, but i was forced to leave the jungle sooner in order to protect lanes, thus getting farm slower. Not criticizing, just giving my perspective.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 26 2013,09:47
I've got Xin and Nid. Xin i've always had, Nid i'll practice, always been good with the skill shots (xerath is a living walking breathing skill shot....) hahah
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 26 2013,17:42
This and the above post were from Trooper/Scooty...... Failed to realize Cake was logged in on this computer instead of me!
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 26 2013,17:44
I'm going to ban Cakedaddy for sharing his account/not securing his shit.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 27 2013,21:03
"How did Pantheon survive getting poisoned with 1 bar of health left?Watched our replay. Pantheon: - No heal pots. - No Heal spell - No one on his team had heal spell - 110 HP left when he hit my poison Me: - Poison was supposed to be doing 80 points of damage per second. - Poison damages for 3 seconds. Pantheon got poisoned with 110 points of health. He dipped down to 12 points before he recalled and survived. Inconclusive. Must have the +17HP per second regen runes. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 27 2013,21:20
You can view the profile of people you play against and look at their rune pages and masteries.
Posted by Stranger on Jan. 28 2013,07:44
Its not that hard to get your HP regen to a pretty high level. Hell, just one Warmogs gives you 1.5% max hp regen per 5 seconds. So at 3000 HP he would have 45 HP regen at 5 seconds or 9 HP per second. Add to that some masteries, runes, maybe another item and base HP regen, he could easily walk away from the poison trail.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 28 2013,09:04
![]() Posted by Stranger on Jan. 28 2013,12:04
I wanna play some more ARAM!
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 28 2013,14:29
yeah that was a lot of fun
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 28 2013,15:12
Change makes Gordon angry.A spin on it would be that each team picks the OTHER team's champions! That way, the winning team isn't determined by a lucky draw of a champ they have experience playing. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 28 2013,16:31
Problem with that strategy is, is there ANY champ that Scooty hasn't played 25 times?
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 28 2013,18:01
Just because he's played them doesn't mean he's good with them. I loved the ARAM stuff. Very fun getting assigned a random champ and learning their abilities. I know it wasn't Gordo's cup of tea, but I'd be more than happy to allow him to pick among his secondary champs. I mean, Karma? Is there a worse champion that it could have given him? Posted by GORDON on Jan. 28 2013,18:53
Yeah, just didn't find it fun, especially the.... well, never mind.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 28 2013,19:14
Start waiting for peeps to get online about 9ish, surfing the web while I wait. Do all the surfing I can think of. At 10:10 I ask Leisher where the fuck peeps are. he doesn't know. We discuss that we are tired of these late starts.So, I aint even waiting tonight. There's no word that peeps won't be on, or be late, and I am tired of sitting here. Maybe tomorrow! Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 28 2013,22:06
We have to figure out what to do with Scooty. His jack of all trades master of none thing is starting to hurt us. He needs to become good at something.Where do we put him? I'm not even sure what role he plays well at this point. But I will probably take a couple of games off. After all, I don't want to have a fist in the side of my head and to be sucking 'it'. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 28 2013,23:18
You said something very dumb that would have earned you a fist to the side of the head -.-Bullshit poking aside, I'll take adc. I'm happy with Tristana.. Vayne sucked balls, Caitlyn has a waste of an ability, and beyond that those are the only ranged adc champs I own. I'm going to continue practicing with my Tristana, but I'm pleased with her ability to out-farm any champion in the game, out-range any champion in the game, and her decent set of abilities that overall make her quite threatening with all that farm behind her. Lots of fun to play. Furthermore, I'm not sure why my builds are always questioned.... But until I'm given some sort of proof or ANYTHING really that states an ad build is better then a crit build, I'll continue to play my critical strike build (as it is really all I know, and have ever built/played). I find it fun when every single hit from my champion does 927 damage in big 'ole red numbers, with 2 phantom dancers and berserker greaves behind them. 1 Infinity Edge 2 Berserker Greaves 3 Phantom Dancer Zeal Vamp Scepter 4 Phantom Dancer 5 Blood Thirster 6 Frozen Mallet This is what I've always built, and I really like it. It's extremely effective late game, and I find it hilarious to watch champions fall like they're level 3 to my insane damage output. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 28 2013,23:19
^ That was Scooty/Trooper...
Posted by Stranger on Jan. 29 2013,09:49
I would have to say that Scooty has played a much better AD in during the laning phase than my experiances with him from before. Once the lane phase ended though there was quite a few times when the team coulda used a damage dealer around while he was farming. Or he would be way too far out and just get killed because he was way too deep into enemy territory. I understand the need to have good farm on your AD but we need that presense in the team fights too. So its a delicate balance that we need to figure out.As far as early game, i think he has done pretty good. He has been way less agressive and he has done good waiting for me to initiate to go in and damage the enemy. He's also been good at countering the AD when they decide to try and focus me. His farm has been pretty good but there was many times that i would see him attack a minion a second to early and leave it with a sliver of life left just to have one of our minions take the kill. I would have to agree with Cake and saying that getting the early AD would help with this alot. I personally dont have a problem with building a crit build, but the early game is too important and getting that little bit of more AD would help with last hitting. So far of all the AD's i have supported for Cake is the best at last hitting minions (No offense Leisher). I've seen to many times where someone is just auto attacking away at the minions only to miss the all important last hit. So im not sure what Scooty's best spot is but i think he has done ok at AD. We just need to tell him when he should be farming and when he should be with the team. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 29 2013,11:46
I'm not sure what's going on. We taking a couple days off?
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 29 2013,11:48
I don't have an issue with a crit build, but become an expert at last hitting then. I take heavy damage early to ensure last hits early game because I'm not an expert last hitter. The easier it is, the more I get.I've mentioned a number of times that farming is done between fights or while returning from a fight. If there are team fights, get your farm by killing (or assisting) enemies. Something I find interesting. . . When Scooty plays with us, he farms, ALOT. And he's slow about it. The other night when he was playing with Gordon and Leisher on TT, when he'd farm, he'd attack the spawn and hit it. As they got low, he would run around them, not hitting them, so his sunfire cape would finish them. It appeared that he was bored and his mind drifted away from the mission and he was just playing with the spawns. He did that over and over and over. When I'm in a game with him, I can't watch him to that degree, so I don't know how often he does this. But he did it in both TT games. He will take the time to finish farming a jungle spawn before joining his team in a fight. Leisher and Gordon were capturing the enemy alter. Two enemies contested it. Scooty was farming his jungle spawn that is closest to the speed/health boost. He waited until he was done killing the spawn before heading over towards the fight. Gordon and Leisher captured the alter, and didn't die, but they were hurt and it was close. So, it worked out, but Scooty could have easily farmed the spawn AFTER the capture instead of during. Watching him play with strangers (solo queue), he is WAY more team oriented. He will leave a spawn unkilled to join a team fight. Will be heading to some farm, but divert to an ongoing team fight to help support. Etc. WAY more team oriented. I get the feeling that he takes us for granted. We HAVE to play with him. But with strangers, he's got to do well in order to impress them. Or so they might like him. Or, I don't know why. But I notice, over and over, that he plays with strangers the way he should be playing with us. He's aggressive without being stupid, he's cautious without becoming a nonparticipant. So, all that being said, that's why I'm not sure where to put him. Because no matter where he goes, he places WAY too much importance on farming. Doesn't gank as jungler, because he needs farm. Doesn't participate in team fights as carry, because he needs farm. And he changes champs based on the last two games he played. He went Vayne for two games. During champ selection of the second game, Leisher asks "You're going Vayne again?" Scooty says "Yes, I'm going to stick with the same champ." addressing our long standing issue with constant champ changes. But, in both games, the enemy team was really good at focusing him. They would dive and take him out. So, third game, he switches to Trist. Why? Because she has that jump ability that can remove him from a fight in an instant. And he used it that way through out the third game. As soon as an enemy would make a move, he'd blast himself out of the fight. So, his champ selection was based on how the first two games went. THEN, watching him play with strangers, he would stay back from fights. Always close and ready to go, but at a safer distance. When the fighting would start, he use his jump ability INTO the fight. So, now he's in the fight, his jump ability damages the enemies when he'd land, etc. Completely opposite of how he was playing with us. And lastly, we are still short on support. If Scooty isn't going there, someone else needs to step in there and start training it. When Stranger is missing, we REALLY feel it because we don't have anyone cross trained there. Scooty, at one point, said he enjoyed it. But when he supported me the other night, it got to the point where I was supporting him. He'd take a fair number of last hits, bought NO wards until after I bought the sight stone. I don't remember what his first item was, but it wasn't a support item. I can't remember if it was armor or damage he was building. I was completely zoned out because their blitz would sit in the unwarded bushes and grab us if we came out too far. Or, Blitz was off shopping, but we still couldn't come out because we have to assume he's in the unwarded bushes ready to grab us. Even after pointing out that we really needed wards, he recalled to shop, came back with no wards. That's when I recalled and spent all the money I had been saving on support items so I could get back to farming. If we can get the consistant solo queue Scooty in our games, we'll be much better off. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 29 2013,11:54
(GORDON @ Jan. 29 2013,14:46) QUOTE I'm not sure what's going on. We taking a couple days off? I might be. I'm getting kind of tired of playing with Scooty. :-) Biting my tongue in team chat is getting harder and harder with all of his snarky remarks to ANY comment I make to him during games. I've made a resolution to not argue with him in chat any more. :-) But that just means he gets free shots in on me all game. Gets old. It will also make it easier to figure out a spot for him if the same 5 people play for a bit. Less scrambling around of roles when the team members all stay the same. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 29 2013,12:08
Well then I'm out. I'm only playing with the core team.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 29 2013,12:21
What is the core team?
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 29 2013,12:35
We 3. Everyone else comes and goes for girlfriends, weddings, drinkin night, band practice, broken mobos, etc. Other peeps are gone for weeks and months at a time. And that's fine. But we've been the core team for 15 years.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 29 2013,12:54
So really, you just can't live without me.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 29 2013,12:55
Only because of all the sex.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 29 2013,13:00
QUOTE But that just means he gets free shots in on me all game. Gets old. Right? ![]() Seriously, if Scooty's attitude is causing you issues, then you're playing and he's not. I've been his biggest defender, and that's never been more true, but if him playing is causing you and Gordo to not play, then he's got to go. And not for nothing, but why isn't he playing support when Stranger isn't on? I mean, here you are saying he needs a role, and we need a backup support. Also, since Scooty has played the most champs, why can't he be our utility man? Let him go where we need someone to play that evening. Stranger offline? Scooty's support. I'm out? Scooty is ADC, mid, or jungle. Gordo's out? Scooty is top, jungle, or support. Etc. Also, if you're going to not play to protest, do it on the weekend. There's usually one of us out for some other reason, and this way, we can all plan ahead. (I'm out until later Friday...26 chicks at my house...Jeebus save me!) Posted by GORDON on Jan. 29 2013,13:01
(Leisher @ Jan. 29 2013,16:00) QUOTE Also, if you're going to not play to protest, do it on the weekend. There's usually one of us out for some other reason, and this way, we can all plan ahead. (I'm out until later Friday...26 chicks at my house...Jeebus save me!) That reminds me of the last time a hot chick came over to my house... She had a broken computer she wanted me to fix. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 29 2013,13:28
Also...Dear Team Leader, what do you want out of my move to mid? Is this permanent or temporary? Basically, I just need to know if I should start spending all my IP on AP runes and champs since I only really own ADC champs and runes. Should I consider this my secondary with ADC being my primary? Vice Versa? Should jungle be in that mix? None of that is a complaint in any way, shape, or form. We switched things up the other night once Gordo went jungle, and it was never clarified if this was a week long thing, a month, the new few, etc. Just want to know how to proceed. Save my IP for the next ADC or go ahead and get an AP rune set...(also give me suggestions on an AP rune set) If we do proceed with the current lineup, I'm going to purchase LeBlanc and Lux. I already own Katarina. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 29 2013,13:39
I wouldn't mind bouncing between top Singed and Jungle GP just to change things up every couple games. Jungle GP got a little tedious the other night after the 3rd game in a row.
Posted by Stranger on Jan. 29 2013,13:53
QUOTE ...(also give me suggestions on an AP rune set) -Flat AP quints -Magic Pen reds -mana regen yellows -magic resist blues Pretty standard for any AP you can differ depending on your likes or dislikes. Posted by Trooper on Jan. 29 2013,17:33
Jesus guys comon! Holy shit! I'm working on shutting my fucking mouth ingame because every time I try to give my reasoning for things its taken as a snarky comment. So i'm just deciding to shut the fuck up. I'm trying to play your way guys, seriously. I wasn't running around the spawns waiting for my sunfire to kill them, if you KNEW THE CHAMPION I WAS PLAYING YOU"D UNDERSTAND THAT NASUS RELIES ON HIS Q......Jesus. I wasn't bored trying to kill them with a sunfire, i was farming my Q. There were a few other things in there that Cake attacked me for that were just like that, he just auto assumes i'm trying to fuck your game up when i'm really trying to do something else much more constructive. Sorry I suck ass at TT, i'll agree with that statement 100%. I'm trying, okay? I'm trying. Every other night we're switching roles cause gordo can't play anything but singed, or Leisher can't farm....etc Can i please for the LOVE OF GOD just stick to ADC? I like tristana for her range and abilities as stated above..... But seriously guys. Seriously. I'm just shutting up in chat so you don't take every damn thing that comes out of my mouth as an attack. I'll just have zero say in anything whatsoever, continue to speak my position/intentions during game, and have nothing to say when people accuse me of trying to get kills with my sunfire cape (<-----Really though, like.... WOW). I agree I get heated in game, just like everybody else Theo and Stranger excluded. If gordo isn't rage logging, Leisher and Cake are bitching up a storm back and forth mid game because Cake thinks he knows everything, and Leisher thinks he knows everything. I may get poopy here and there, but no more than anybody else does. 75% of the time, i'm trying to voice why i don't think something is a good call, or why i'm doing what i'm doing, and its just taken as a fricking attack. So to solve this problem.... My mouth will be shut! You want me to jump into that fight? Alright. I'll do it, regardless of what i think the outcome will be, rather than voicing my concern i'll just follow along with the rest of the team. Only problem with that? Now i'm apparently being a martyr and everyone thinks i'm just going to ruin the fight or whatever just to simply prove a point. Thats not the case. I'M NOT TRYING TO RUIN YOUR GAME. REALLY, I'M NOT. I just want to reach a medium where we can all play and be happy without all these accusations... So please. Don't quit playing to "SHOW ME", keep playing. Just give me the chance to shut up and do what you say okay? I've tried tooooooo many times to find constructive ways to voice my concern or disagreement with a call, but it just doesn't work... Keep trying, i'm doing everything i can, alright? I don't like losing anymore than you guys do, but i'll leave the calls to you gentlemen, you clearly have more experience and know what you're doing. I'll keep my mouth closed and follow the orders. As far as my lack of teamplay, ummmm. I've always been working on that. I just try to play how the last adc played, FARM FARM FARM FARM FARM OMG MY FUCKING FARM, thus i place farm as the highest priority!!!! I'm not trying to screw you guys and be missing for team fights just to go farm "I'll show you guys!! Now you'll lose the game cause i'm not there!"..... NO. Jeebus. I'm only trying to follow the ones before me, again i'm new to this role just as every other role i've been placed in the last few weeks. If you see me somewhere i shouldn't be, tell me. Except this time i won't try to explain my reasons for being there, i won't say no, i'll shut up and do what you say. Beyond that, i'm trying to recognize when i need to be somewhere else other than where i'm at. Yes i perform better in random games, because randoms half the time suck balls, thus i'm playing a bunch of retards trying to hump a doorknob. Playing with you guys, we're playing other 5v5 premades, who have skill and understanding of the game.... So i have a much harder time getting into the mix of a REAL 5v5 PVP experience. Its way different, and i'm sure you all agree. Thats all. Don't. Give. Up. I'm trying. Sorry for being such an apparent inconvenience thus far...... Posted by Trooper on Jan. 29 2013,17:40
Regarding your comment as to why I switched from Vayne to Trist. Yes. I was getting my ass kicked with Vayne, shes very squishy, and in order to do any kind of damage shes right in the middle of the fight with her terribly short range.... Just wasn't working out, couldn't jive with Ronnie at all. Not his fault, totally mine.Trist. She has the longest range in the game, lots of damage output being an ADC, is still pretty squishy, but being i'm so much further from the fight i can do my work from a safer distance. Her abilities are nice yes, but its purely situational. No I won't be jet jumping into a 5v5 fight, i'll be saving it to get OUT of a fight when it falls to the wayside. Jet jump into a smaller 2v2? Yes. Viable, i can drop them before they touch me. Please stop making assumptions for the decisions I make, because a lot of the time you're wrong. These are the things i try to explain to you in chat, but its always taken as an attack..... You were right about the Vayne thing, i agreed there totally...See? I'm not always right, and i'm ready to admit that. But you guys really need to stop making up these crazy assumptions for why i'm doing what i'm doing, as me just trying to ruin your game and make your lives harder.... Thats just stupid. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 29 2013,18:16
Leisher: I posted a few posts back that I think our plan to have everyone in a specific role might be a mistake. I think you are better mid as Teemo than you are adc as graves. So, switching roles? No, just playing our strengths. If it turns out you rock mid as Kat as well, then cool. Another strength. But our earlier assumptions of "If you play one ADC, then you can play another cause that's the role you are an expert at" was flawed. You are WAY better as Ez than Graves and way better as Teemo than Graves. It appears Gordon has better potential as GP (have only seen him three times) in the jungle than Nunu jungle or Nasus top. So, instead of forcing Gordon to pick another top champ that he doesn't like playing or sucks at because he's our top, he can go jungle as GP.I guess we have to decide. . . are we playing roles, or playing champs? Personally, I play enough that I feel just as comfortable in mid as Ziggs as I do Jungle as Rengar. I've fought a ton of different champs as both of them that I'm confident I can do well. Mid as Veigar though? Different ball game. I think I can work on him and improve, but, I think there are better mids that I could play too. Syndra is the new hot item for mid. See her in most ranked games now and we've seen that she hits hard and long. But anyway, ya, I don't know. I'm leaning towards playing champs instead of roles. That seems to be where we are strongest. We play weaker when we try to shoe horn a champ into our role, rather than playing a champ we are strong with in a different role. Scooty, you are going to have to be just as patient with us as you are asking us to be of you. Playing with you has been a roller coaster to say the least. Leisher hints at you filling whatever role is needed any given night because you've played pretty much every champ in the game. And I agree with that. But, you aren't good with any of them. You used to be before we hit level 30 or we couldn't build a 5 man team. But when we are against other 5 man teams, your lack of expertise really comes through. You like Trist this weak, but a few pages back, you were totally in love with Shen and were begging for that to be your role. We have tried, from pretty much the beginning, to get you to settle into something. And it just hasn't happened yet. You can blame the last couple of months on us because we ask you to fill in the blank of the night. But, that's just because you have no role right now. You never have. So, it only makes sense that you be the filler. But with the level of competition being higher now, ESPECIALLY in ranked games, you are a serious draw on the team. You can't perform as well as your counterpart on the other team. This week, you're asking for that to be Trist ADC. Whatever. We'll see how long that lasts. You can take offense at that comment all you want. But all we have to do is scroll through the many pages of text here and read all the times your champion of choice has changed. So, again, be patient with us when we have to wait till we see it before we believe it. That being said, it means we are still short on support. Anyone want it? I don't have a problem heading there. I have played a few games as Naut as support and we didn't do half bad. I pull them in, shield up and let the adc poke them down. I've played Soraka, but never had luck with her in our games. Would do really well in solo queue, never clicked in premades. But anyway, I really think it's in our best interest to kick Stranger out of his role for a little while. It's just hard to do cause he's good at it. But we have to! Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 29 2013,18:22
And, while I'm at it. I like the old Theo better than the new one. The new one sings and burps in voice chat and plays like ass. The old Theo tried hard to impress us and played really well.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 29 2013,18:24
(Cakedaddy @ Jan. 29 2013,21:22) QUOTE And, while I'm at it. I like the old Theo better than the new one. The new one sings and burps in voice chat and plays like ass. The old Theo tried hard to impress us and played really well. We should tell him that. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 29 2013,18:28
So I'm not the only one that has noticed a serious degradation of his play quality? Even top as Wu Kong has sucked lately.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 29 2013,19:01
I was and still am, totally in love with Shen. Leisher wasn't, and somewhere in there it was suggested that i switch with Ronnie in jungle to have the better support option back... So i was never really given the chance to learn and excel as the support champion. Same with the Jungle, you guys have had other people training in your jungle which kicked me out with my Warwick... I have no problems with sticking to something, but I don't feel its right to start a fight with everyone by screwing up ideas and strategies by saying no, I'm going to play this role regardless of who you'd rather have training at it.....
Posted by Stranger on Jan. 30 2013,07:04
So whats the word? does someone else wanna try support for a while? If so what should i start playing? I'll do whatever doesn't matter to me. And i know i told Scooty that i was gonna make a mobafire guide on how i like to build my supports. I think i will get to working on that today just so you guys can get a little insight on how i go about doing support. I'll post the link whenever i get it done. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 30 2013,08:57
I can give it a shot.Start a new thread telling me the philosophy of it and general tactics. I'll buy Sona or something. I'll master it and peeps will say DAMN STRANGER SUCKS COMPARED TO YOU GORDO, YOU DESERVE A MEDAL! I honestly have no idea how you do well with only 7 minion kills at the end of a game. Posted by Stranger on Jan. 30 2013,09:04
im currently building a guide on mobafire. Sona is an easy champ to learn and is fun to play. if you have some extra ip you will need to buy some gold per 10 runes. If you follow my guide you will become almost as good as the zen master support that i am.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 30 2013,09:13
Bought Sona. Have about 4500 IP left. Let's rock.
Posted by Stranger on Jan. 30 2013,13:05
i started a new thread about playing support for anyone wanting to discuss and see the build i made.
Posted by Trooper on Jan. 30 2013,15:44
I must not have access to that part of the forum where you posted it, because I did'nt see your thread =/ So i'll just post what i've got here instead!Support doesn't need minion kills for gold, nor do you REALLY need the runes, i found myself doing just fine bot lane with no minion kills, no gold per items/runes/masteries... Its just all about how you play and initiate. Its the assists that get you the gold. Ronnie ends with 7 minion kills, but about 30 assists every game heheh. Personally found the tanky supports to be the best option. Build tanky runes/masteries/support items and you'll be able to initiate and take all of the damage for your ranged adc. When you start getting into some of the champs like sona/soraka....etc, your looking at more of a team support, not an adc support. Those champions work best when in the large 5 man groups towards end game. The tankier support champions tend to have all the stuns/slows/taunts that really help the adc at bot, not to mention the high amounts of damage they can sustain. I've started training up my Varus a ton in solo queue because it just seems the squishy ranged supports are all we see down bot. Which is fine! But thats just where you really lack in sustainability and stuns/slows/taunts. Varus has a nice slow and a nice stun, also has a great q spell for getting those long range finishing blows for a kill (Similar to a nid spear). His W also gives every hit an extra magic damage punch. That plus all my +AD runes plus the dorans right off the bat make farming minions a breeze, aswell as his early game harass. If we start seeing some more of the tanky supports down bot, champions like vayne/tristana can start getting played, as the stuns and slows are coming from the support. Ashe would be another good one for me to train up while we're doing the squishy Team support champs right now. Just a thought. Also for the record, if you think about it almost any champion can be taken for support bot. Mostly tanks is what i'm getting at. Sejuani/Rammus/Shen....etc They've all got amazing sustain, and tons of taunts/slows/stuns...etc. Just need to pay attention to how you build is all. See thats the great thing about running a tanky support champion, you can still take all the support aura items to support your entire team in the 5v5 late game phase, while still be a massive help to your adc early game. Like with my Shen bot, I don't run any support items other than the sightstone for wards, i'll just buildup a tanky build. That way I find myself filling multiple roles, i've got the wards for the team, i can initiate fights, and still have all the taunts and shields for my team to support with... Support has to be one of the most versatile roles in the game, there are soooooo many champions, soooo many builds, sooo many different ways you can play it to better mesh with your team. At least thats what I learned in the 3 days of playing your support bottom. Posted by Stranger on Jan. 31 2013,06:34
While i understand your thinking about support, i don't necessarily agree with most of it. Yes, you can initiate with Sejuani, Rammus, or Shen but where is your support? Where is your sustain (shields, or heals) for your AD? where is your damage buff to your AD? A good team will see a melee support and avoid them and just go ahead and attack your AD and now your a useless support. A smart team will know better than to attack the tank rammus and just focus that squishy Vayne sitting back there.Your idea of support is full on attack and agressive, an all in type of comp. while this is good and i love playing Leona cause she is that type of support, it doesn't always work. But when you cant get those kills and the other team knows how to avoid you and your pushed back on your tower you cant help your AD whatsoever. And when they do focus you and you have to recall cause you lived with a sliver of health, how are you helping your AD now? He's left in lane alone with no support now. That's why you see so many ranged supports. With Sona, Lulu, Nami and others you can harrass and poke down the enemy without getting into a dangerous position. Make them use their potions and heals and mana just to sustain, make them recall and lose out on experience and gold. Many times i can just zone an enemy AD out of farm by just walking in a little closer as they go to make a last hit, just the threat of poking them starts to get into their head, and they lose out on farm. And when things aren't going so well and we are pushed against the tower or getting poked down ourselves, i have the ability to heal or shield my AD and keep them in lane where they need to be, not back at base healing up. Not to mention all those supports have some sort of hard CC that Rammus and Shen and Sejuani also have. And maybe you have had some success without running any gold runes but in the long run you are just shorting yourself out of much needed gold and items that help the team so much more than just yourself. Getting assists does really help your gold production, but there are many games where you just don't get them assists or there just aren't that many kills. Now you are hurt twice as bad cause you are depending on assists for gold and your a melee tank with no items and just gets bursted down immediatley cause your just a pussy. At least if my supports aren't having a good game, i still have a steady gold income, and i bring so much more utility to the team early game and late game. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 31 2013,09:47
Did some research on Anivia after that game last night. Very interesting character, and the guy who played him was very creative.He didn't abilities until he hit lvl 6. Thus, I was completely unprepared for what he did, and the damage he could do. And I figured out why he did so much damage without any AP items. His abilities, when used in combination, do double damage. Also, he can spam his ult, which is insane. It has a 6 second cooldown, and kind of reminds me of Darrius, but with Nunu's ult. I might add that character to my list of champs to try out. For him, the trick is just keeping your mana flowing. Scooty - I have some advice for you, which you've been asking for based on the walls of text you've posted lately. I only ask that you read them, and don't respond back. You're asking for opinions, and I'm giving them, but I'm not interested in a debate. You want to follow up, ask me in chat. Fair? (Actually, this really only applies to #1.) 1. Cake, Gordo, and I have been playing games together, working together, socializing together, etc. for close to two decades. We're also all in the same age range. Stranger and I are family, have known each other for over a decade, and I see his ugly mug once a week on average. There is a familiarity there that allows rage logging, arguing, snarky comments, etc. to be forgiven and forgotten without a word. We'll tease one another about it, but no grudges are held. The point of that is despite your relation to Cake, you haven't gotten to that level with us yet. You will, you just need to understand that listening to you and Cake fight (which is pretty natural), hearing you argue with Gordo or me or Stranger, making smart ass comments in game, ripping folks on the forums, etc. isn't getting you to that level. It doesn't matter if we all do the same or similar things. We're entrenched. We've earned our spots. You keep saying you want to fit into this team and become a part of it, and I'm here telling you that step one isn't to alienate yourself. Look at Theo. He's Mr. Nice Guy right? However, I've heard both Cake and Gordo complaining about him lately because of stuff he does in chat during games. He doesn't fight with anybody, but he's still getting criticism. So it doesn't take NASA to figure out that a guy who is fighting with everyone will take even more criticism. So relax and learn to take some ribbing without thinking it's always personal. 2. Play characters as they are intended to be played. I realize there's a trend right now to try different people as supports, but they lack something that Stranger points out: Support abilities. In last year's world championships or one of the rounds leading up to it, Nunu was picked as a support champ a ridiculous number of times. Guess what the win record was for those teams? Far less than 50%. Think about it. You're moving a damage dealer into a support role where they're not getting farm. How effective can they possibly be? Meanwhile, your ADC isn't getting true support from them. "Support" doesn't mean share a lane with someone. It means to enhance that person's abilities, ensure they're safe to farm, harass the enemy's farming abilities, etc. If a character isn't built for that purpose, they're probably not going to be very good. Sure, you might zone out the enemy's duo from time to time, but success in 1 out of 12 games isn't success. And to give you a final example, I don't see you rocking Heimerdinger as the ADC, so why would you think it's ok to play support with Shen? 3. Listen to your teammates. I've played the ADC role for well over a year. Cake's been playing it for some time now. Stranger plays support all the time. We probably have a good idea of builds, how to farm, how to respond to your support, what support is doing for you, etc. Don't just brush off information given to you by us. If Cake is talking to you about positioning in game, listen to him. Hell, even when I argue with him I'm still listening to him. We may not know each characters' abilities off the top of our hand, like I didn't know Anivia's, but we know the overall strategies of the game, strategies and goals for positions, and its various lanes strategies. So even if you disagree, listen. When your plan does better, wait until post game or on these forums to talk about it. Explain why you did it, and how it worked out. If your plan fails though, something we said might trigger in your head, and help you see what to do next time. 4. Stay positive. Funny for me to say that right? I get frustrated easily, but I tend to try and quickly recover. We all have our own ways of doing it. Sometimes, we just need a moment. Sometimes we need help. Sometimes calling the enemy you finally got the best of a curse does it. Sometimes we just need the next game to start. Point being, get past whatever is frustrating you, and work it out without taking it out on teammates or being negative. Last night, Anivia frustrated me, and I got pissed because I didn't understand how he was doing so much damage as he was doing nothing a second ago. Cake asked what was needed, I fought switching lanes, he came to help gank, and we got things more under control. The very next game Ryze got me for first blood. I didn't get upset at all. He walked away with no health left, and I still had all my health pots (i didn't pop one during the fight by mistake), and I went back to lane and started dominating him. Getting frustrated never results in victory. Something only you and I, but others on the team should work on as well. 5. Don't get so lost in farm that you miss all the team fights. Playing the ADC is a high stress position. The whole team is looking at you to bring the pain in team fights. Thus, it's very natural to get lost constantly trying to farm because you're just not hitting for enough or you need more AS. We'll find you moments to get more farm once team fighting begins, but don't get yourself out of position to respond or be ganked. Everyone falls into this trap from time to time. Anyway, that's it. You asked for some advice, and I figured I'd provide it rather than have you spinning your wheels and not understanding if anyone gets frustrated with you in game. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 31 2013,13:22
I'm telling him to play ranked games. You can get away with Shen or Malz support in solo queue games because you're playing door knobs. That malz/Kayle team that dominated them in bottom lane would NEVER get away with that in a premade ranked game. They got away with it (because our jungler sucks. . . .) because it was Scooty's 5th game as adc (but first with his new favorite adc Varus), Gordon's first or second as support (first time seeing Varus), etc. There is no perfect pair down there. It's easy to counter, or get countered. For every lane pair, there's a lane pair that's better. Saying that Sona is useless because she can't bring the pain doesn't cut it with our team. The play style we have counts on getting farm, never having to leave your lane, etc. That's what we do. If the adc wants to go balls to the wall turret dive for kills, well, then we'll have to change our team comp to accommodate that. But so far, our team doesn't play like that. But to say Stranger is wrong to bring Sona and get pissed because no one is really reading what you are posting and just immediately respond with 'you are wrong', is, well, wrong. We have been playing VERY consistently for the last two years. Scooty has come and gone with the seasons. Our team is pretty stable and set in it's ways now. Will we consider change? Of course. Will we change our team comp and play style over night because the guy with the least amount of experience is telling us all we are doing it wrong? No.Post what you want. Explain your reasoning. But don't get pissed when we don't just jump in line and change everything because you think you are right. Yes. We were having an offline conversation. :-) Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 31 2013,13:26
He did finally play a ranked game though. We having a really good time, till mid game. They his team got steam rolled. I saw it coming. His team was celebrating an early victory amongst themselves. They did really well during the laning phase, but once team fighting started, they fell apart. The enemy team had a Malz and some other OP champ that I can't remember. HORRIBLE bans by his team. Point being, you learn WAY more playing ranked games than you do non. I'm not sure if he learned anything though. His PC was lagging out, which didn't help things. But his team had no chance.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 31 2013,13:35
Theo seems to be trying to pull his head out of the clouds. Last night, (in between songs) he proposed something that I thought was pretty good. Initiating with Sherelia's. Give us the speed to dive to Cait, etc. We just didn't focus her once we did. She dove in the bushes, and instead of diving in after her, many of us changed targets. She made a really good move doing that. Because even if we all stayed focused, it was still a good amount of time that we were just running through their team getting chewed up. But anyway, good call on his part.And speaking of odd pairs/team comps. How about this: AP Teemo and Soraka bottom Varus (ranged adc) mid Fiddle jungle Normal top Theory: Sorka's Q lowers enemies' magic resist and is pretty spamable. Teemo is an AP champ doing more damage now. Fiddle is an AP champ who's passive lowers enemies' magic resist. So, three AP champs that lower resist and do heavy AP damage. Plus, they have electrolytes. Posted by Stranger on Jan. 31 2013,13:40
< http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3064275 >looks like they are patching for season 3 today. Bad thing is that the servers are going down at 5:00 and might be down for 6 hours. So maybe no League tonight, hopefully they can get it done sooner... Posted by Stranger on Jan. 31 2013,13:43
wait! i might be wrong.. 2:00 PST would be 2 in the morning. disregard last post
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 31 2013,17:36
(Cakedaddy @ Jan. 31 2013,16:35) QUOTE Theo seems to be trying to pull his head out of the clouds. Last night, (in between songs) he proposed something that I thought was pretty good. Initiating with Sherelia's. Give us the speed to dive to Cait, etc. And I did exactly that, immediately. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 31 2013,21:24
Scooty's carry was much better the last two games. And if he can keep that up, I think things will start to turn around. Right now, I'm still entering fights assuming he's not there and pulling out early (ya, I said it). Then seeing he's there chewing them up and turn to get back in it. So, unfortunately, since he's been carry, I've been conditioned to think he's not there. I have to relearn that he IS there and things will get better. It helps Teemo turn up the heat too because he's lasting longer given that we are actually killing enemies and lessening their damage output. So, hopefully this trend continues.Also, not sure if me playing Rengar had anything to do with anything. So many games as Naut, I'm chasing someone and just can't quite kill them. Rengar has the damage output to finish. We lose the tank though, obviously. But he's a really good assassin. I can take out there lone squishies very fast and be out before they can respond. Didn't work so well against Gangplank though. He was really good. Rengar fails against tanky teams though. He's kind of like Veigar. REALLY high damage output for about 1.5 seconds. If the enemy survives. . . I can be in trouble. Late game, I'm hitting like a carry though and have much better results after the initial jump. The last two games, we lost because we don't know how to play tactically any more. We are on the defense so much that when we DO get the upper hand, we forget what to do with it. Gordon was right the other night when he said "We have to start pushing. Just holding them isn't going to do anything." We've forgotten how to push. We just keep trying to push mid and take out defended turrets. We get a bunch that way, but often, we give them right back when they kill all of us. With people getting settled in their new roles, I'm hoping things keep improving. Posted by Trooper on Jan. 31 2013,21:27
Varus is fun, and i'm pleased with is skills/abilities.. That is all.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 01 2013,11:28
We should try a game or two of ranked tonight just to see how the new season 3 system works.Also on that note, what would our number 1 lineup and team comp look like? We have been trying lots of different things lately, so would we think of putting Leisher back at AD or keep him in mid where he has been for a while. How do things change if we have Scooty vs. Theo? should be something we should start thinking about. I would really like to see us do ranked games more often now that season 3 is here. We are just about as ready as ever now that we have 6 consistent players and have expanded our roster pretty good as of late. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 01 2013,14:41
I will be on tonight, but it probably won't be until 10-11.Tomorrow is questionable. I'll either be on all night or not at all. Depends on if my in-laws are having a get together or not. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 01 2013,15:42
Current bans from ranked games:Blitz Amumu Shen Malphite 100% of the games feature those 4. Next I see: Darius Evelyn Khazix Kat Rarely do I see any other champ being banned. If we have first pick, we might be able to sneak a Malph or Shen into a game. But since none of us really play them, we won't be able to make better use of them than our current champ favorites. I'm all for ranked games. Most of my solo queue is ranked now. Only way to learn about ranked games is by playing ranked games. I see all kinds of team comps. More often than not, it comes down to how well the team plays together. I've seen heavy tank teams take out the meta with ease. Same with heavy AP teams. I was on a squishy hard hitting team once and we did pretty well. But, we had one really bad player and couldn't carry them. So, team comp still falls short when the team can't play well together. Focus the correct targets in the correct order for the win. That being said, I don't know what our best team comp would be. It would be the one that allows us to play as a team the easiest/best. And I don't know what that one looks like. Don't know it till it's there and we are playing it! But then, it always looks just like the comp we have when we lose. So, I don't know! Scooty still doesn't have a solid role. Yes he's been carry the last few night, but Leisher, even me, would be a stronger carry. Theo is about the same mid or top. I think I'm the same mid or jungle. Gordon is strongest in jungle with GP with Singed top as second. I say that because I was impressed with his GP jungling, but am never blown away by his singed play. Maybe it's because I've become desensitized by seeing his awesomeness for so long that it's not longer awesome. I don't know. But my pick puts Gordon in Jungle, Theo at top, Stranger support, me mid and Leisher carry. Second would be Scooty Carry, me jungle, Leisher mid, stranger support, Theo top (sorry Gordon!), but would take Gordon top too. :-) HOWEVER, Theo is very inconsistent at top. He either has an outstanding game, or completely gives them the game. Gordon is a VERY stable average top. Never blows it away, never gives it away. So, I would gamble on the outstanding game from Theo to help us get an edge over the enemy. Posted by Stranger on Feb. 01 2013,16:40
So i was placed in the Bronze 1 tier. In the Heimerdinger's Outriders League... Really? Heimer is so gaywhat leagues were you guys placed in? or did the few of you who didn't play ranked not get placed in a league? Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 01 2013,19:01
BRONZE II BITCHES!!!! Viktor's Poisoners REPRESENT!!
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 01 2013,19:29
HAH!!! until someone is higher than me, I AM THE LEADER!!!
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2013,19:42
Singed exceeds in the top when the other guy is stupid. Singed isn't a nuker that can burst down a guy. Otherwise, Singed holds top. He is outstanding, but as you said, you have seen it so much, my outstanding play becomes "Meets expectations."
Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 01 2013,19:53
So what you are saying, you need the other guy to suck so you can have a good game? :-)And Bronze II is higher than I BIOTCH!! Posted by Leisher on Feb. 01 2013,20:02
Best Teemo NA!!!!
Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 02 2013,15:00
I have played 3 more ranked games after that train wreck of a first game. They were all normal. I've been jungling noc instead of Rengar. I'm currently ranked 2nd in my group. I have 62 of the required 100 points to be eligible for promotion. Then I have to win 2 out of the next 3 games, or something like that. Not sure what happens if you don't. I'm currently on a hot streak due to 3 wins in a row. Getting about 20 points per game. Rumor has it, the points you earn/lose are based on how well you did that game. Some people get 20 points for a win, some get 7. Some people lose 20 points with a loss, some lose 7. My first game was a loss, but I had 0 points and still had 0 points after the loss.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 02 2013,15:55
yeah, i got 22 points for a win i got earlier today. We stomped them and got a surrender at 20. I'm not sure how they could tell how good or bad you do in a game tho. KDA ratio would make for some serious trolling and as a support your always gonna have more deaths than kills, unless they count kills and assists vs deaths, i dunno.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 02 2013,17:17
Don't think i will be on tonight. Pretty sick and need sleep.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 02 2013,17:21
I'm out due to the UFC PPV. Ditto for Stranger.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 05 2013,07:34
I'll be on tonight. There's a new "Equalize" feature on the PBE. I believe it works by allowing a winning team to vote to give better turrets and inhibitors to a team they're beating. Seems insulting. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 05 2013,08:54
As long as I can vote against being on the receiving end of it, fine.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 05 2013,09:40
I would never vote for it if we were winning that solidly, unless...-they have a DC -they are really nice and ask us to -we're playing one of TPR's teams Posted by Leisher on Feb. 06 2013,08:05
That was a solid night of LoL.Now Cake is out for 3 days, but does that mean Scooty is as well? If Scooty is around, we still have 5 players. If not, I'll probably move to Red Faction Armageddon for the next few nights. Also, my status for the weekend is questionable. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 06 2013,09:32
So is your sexual orientation.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 06 2013,09:48
If dicks had wings your mouth would be an airport.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 06 2013,10:33
(Leisher @ Feb. 06 2013,12:48) QUOTE If dicks had wings your mouth would be an airport. Or an aircraft carrier, full of seamen.. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 06 2013,12:28
Yeah, I'll be available the next few nights forsure if you guys need me. I've been starting to play a lot of practice games with Malphite, in the event that he isn't ban in ranked (which does happen, but rarely...) In that sense, everybody should have Malphite unlocked! That way whoever is first to pick, can insta lock Malphite to trade with me... Which brings up another valid point, everyone should have everyones mains unlocked, so that can happen. Insta lock the popular champions such as Leishers Ezreal/Teemo, Ronnies Sona, Gordos Singed, Cakes Amumu...etc and leave some of the more unpopular champions like Cakes Ziggs, my Varus, Ronnies Leona...etc Just a thought. Also in the meantime while we aren't playing ranked, it'll be nice to have a Solid Malphite.... I'm training up all my Top lane champions in the hopes that when the team starts getting serious, i'll be picked over Theo... Which means i'll be taking his role which i'm totally cool with seeing as i'm more of a solo player anyway (lane phase that is), i feel like my teamplay has been steadily improving. I also would much like to not be depended on as much to feed on minions and kills like I am in adc right now, cause that puts loads of stress on me that i'm just not used to. I think we have more than enough ADC players (Leisher and Cake), i figured you wouldn't need a 3rd? This puts Gordo in the jungle now, which i thought everyone seemed to like a lot better anyway? Your thoughts. Also if this is an agreeable tactic, please tell me which top champions you would like to see from me, not ones you think i can play well, but ones you think mesh well with the team. I can train up and play any champion you pick, just like i've done with Varus the last week. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 06 2013,12:33
P.S.I've always been a good Wukong top, and think that with just a bit of a refresher and a couple practice games i can forsure reach Theo's level. Wukong Malphite Renekton Are the 3 i've played the most games with, and would feel the most comfortable playing with you guys, again i'l still need plenty of training with those champions, i'm just pointing out that those are the ones i've played a lot of already and wouldn't take many games to get back into the groove of things (which i started doing in solo queues last night). If there are any others ontop of that you would like to see, let me know. I feel top lane should be reserved for our bruiser champion, as we have always lacked a bruiser. In my little world top lane should be bruiser, mid should be the AP carry, bottom lane should be the AD carry, jungle should be a tank, giving us a very nice team build. We don't have 3 carrys (jungle mid and bot) fighting over kills and farm that way the adc can REALLY farm it up good getting most of the kills and whatnot, we have a solid tank AND a bruiser to really tank it out and catch/stun/slow..etc. Just my thoughts, tell me what you think. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 06 2013,23:57
I think practicing and training any champ that gets banned 99% of the time is a waste of time. Yes, I have Amumu. But when I learned him, he wasn't banned 100% like he is now.I don't think there is strong reason for everyone to have each other's 'main' as we should all have multiple mains at this point. I don't think it's imperative that we get EZ, because we have other options, etc. I have played the tank from the jungle, and it used to work really well. It hasn't worked for a while though. We can't team fight any more. When we do, we have been losing. Lately, our hit and run, split push strategy has been working for us. That's why I switched to assassin champs in the jungle. When we figure out how to team fight again, then a tank in the jungle would work again. For now, I think with the new roles, we should go TKV on them, instead of meta meet in the middle and tangle. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 07 2013,18:16
< Team MRN >So I'm totally rooting for these guys. They simply must win, they're all my age and they seem to be somewhat unknown/new to the competition....... Youth shall rule!!! Posted by GORDON on Feb. 07 2013,18:23
The only thing people under 25 are good at is liking shitty music.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 07 2013,18:31
(GORDON @ Feb. 07 2013,20:23) QUOTE The only thing people under 25 are good at is liking shitty music. What about spiking your drinks at holiday parties? Posted by Trooper on Feb. 07 2013,18:32
(Malcolm @ Feb. 07 2013,18:31) QUOTE (GORDON @ Feb. 07 2013,20:23) QUOTE The only thing people under 25 are good at is liking shitty music. What about spiking your drinks at holiday parties? Bazinga!!! Posted by Stranger on Feb. 08 2013,10:58
I am going to start practicing with Lux at support. Lastnight one team had her and i was impressed with what she can do as support, i never thought of trying her until then. Looking at her kit she has all the tools of a support (infact she is technically labled a support eventhough most people use her as AP mid). Her Q is an AOE stun, W is an AOE team shield, E is an AOE slow with some decent burst, and of course we all know what her ult does. So besides just bringing the cc that i usually bring with my supports, she will bring some more damage to the table. Something that Nami and Lulu doesn't really bring. And the ability to snipe someone low on hp that might have gotten away from us. It seems like our better team comps of late have been teams that bring more damage and less tank. And i think that Lux will help bring a little more burst to the table. And the fact that she can still shield teammates and slow and stun, she will still be an asset during the laning phase. Posted by Stranger on Feb. 08 2013,11:06
so when your support goes 10-3-20 and carries the team.. don't get mad bro!
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 09 2013,13:41
![]() Posted by GORDON on Feb. 09 2013,13:55
This is true.I should be on tonight. Probably drinking. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 09 2013,14:35
I am still out recovering from surgery. For two days I've either been asleep or high on drugs.
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 09 2013,15:16
Been on all day, and should be on for the rest of the night.
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 09 2013,15:59
< TrollCrank >Ronnie. Learn this skillful art of trolling hahahah. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 09 2013,16:58
(Leisher @ Feb. 09 2013,17:35) QUOTE I am still out recovering from surgery. For two days I've either been asleep or high on drugs. Gender reassignment? Posted by GORDON on Feb. 09 2013,17:06
(Trooper @ Feb. 09 2013,18:59) QUOTE < TrollCrank > Ronnie. Learn this skillful art of trolling hahahah. The fact that his name is "I Love You" makes it even funnier. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 09 2013,17:19
Rank 9 in Silver tier IV, Ashe's Battlemasters =DYeeeuhhhhh, my solo top play could be considered.... how you say.... Quite superb? ;D Posted by Trooper on Feb. 09 2013,17:20
(GORDON @ Feb. 09 2013,17:06) QUOTE (Trooper @ Feb. 09 2013,18:59) QUOTE < TrollCrank > Ronnie. Learn this skillful art of trolling hahahah. The fact that his name is "I Love You" makes it even funnier. Successful troll was VERY successful haha Posted by Leisher on Feb. 09 2013,18:18
(GORDON @ Feb. 09 2013,19:58) QUOTE (Leisher @ Feb. 09 2013,17:35) QUOTE I am still out recovering from surgery. For two days I've either been asleep or high on drugs. Gender reassignment? Even if it was, I'd still turn you down. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 09 2013,18:19
(Leisher @ Feb. 09 2013,21:18) QUOTE (GORDON @ Feb. 09 2013,19:58) QUOTE (Leisher @ Feb. 09 2013,17:35) QUOTE I am still out recovering from surgery. For two days I've either been asleep or high on drugs. Gender reassignment? Even if it was, I'd still turn you down. Yeah right. You're finally getting that penis added, aren't you. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 09 2013,23:13
(GORDON @ Feb. 09 2013,21:19) QUOTE (Leisher @ Feb. 09 2013,21:18) QUOTE (GORDON @ Feb. 09 2013,19:58) QUOTE (Leisher @ Feb. 09 2013,17:35) QUOTE I am still out recovering from surgery. For two days I've either been asleep or high on drugs. Gender reassignment? Even if it was, I'd still turn you down. Yeah right. You're finally getting that penis added, aren't you. You wish, and the answer would still be no. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 10 2013,10:23
They're fixing honor so some of you will be losing your honor ribbons. They're making it tougher to get the honorable ribbon, and easier to get the others. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 10 2013,16:01
They haven't however, fixed the number of total morons in the lower Ranked Divisions... Seriously grinding trying to play with these people, they've made it virtually impossible to make it to the higher tiers where you get real players with skill and half a damn brain. . .
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 11 2013,16:45
Anyone in tonight?
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 11 2013,18:18
Aye
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 11 2013,18:23
11pm start aint happening. FYI.
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 11 2013,19:36
I've been on since about 8? Nobody else logged in.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 11 2013,21:34
Poker night. I just got home. I'll be on for the rest of the week though.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 12 2013,11:58
By the way, are we back to me at ADC again? Is there a particular lineup that will indicate which role I'm playing? No complaints, just trying to figure out what we're doing.Also, I'm all for ranked play, but let's get at least one normal game under our belts to knock some rust off tonight. Posted by Stranger on Feb. 12 2013,13:24
im a little confused with our team comps of late also. We now have 6 of us that play regularly. Scooty changes his champs, lane prefrences and even his name more than he changes his dirty underwear. Gordo was trying support last i remember but he's also been in the jungle since we now have 3 of us that want to play top. The only constant is me playing support, not that i care but if everyone else is trying other lanes then i guess its kind of a waste if im not learning another roll. I like the idea of people playing with their best champs regardless of what lane, but it has made for a complete loss of what each of our "main" lanes are. i really think that our biggest weakness is having a true AP mid player. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 12 2013,13:38
For AP mid, we have three options:-Theo with Akali (the only one he's been good with) -Me (Teemo, and I've been more than willing to start trying out new champs...loved Ziggs) -Cake (Ziggs, Brand, Veigar...that it?) Scooty is a big question mark at the moment, and no offense Scooty this isn't a bash you session, because he was ADC, but is now jungle? Perhaps that's just based on who is online at the time? Posted by Stranger on Feb. 12 2013,13:41
(Leisher @ Feb. 12 2013,16:38) QUOTE Scooty is a big question mark at the moment, and no offense Scooty this isn't a bash you session, because he was ADC, but is now jungle? Haha, thats pretty funny cause you're wrong... Now he is maining top. See you didn't even know what his flavor of the month was. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 12 2013,13:47
Why top? We already have two tops. In fact, Theo has expressed his preference for top, and Gordo only plays Singed top. Is this just for when Theo isn't on?Meanwhile, there's still no backup ADC. Sure, Cake can go Graves, but what if Graves gets banned or gets taken by the other team? I am completely lost. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 12 2013,13:50
Jeeze guys. I'll go where you ask me to. I'm fine playing whatever you want, but when its left up to me. . . . I like Top/mid/jungle because those are the lanes where I can really excell being an independant rouge kind of player. Tell me where to go, and i'll go there. That's all i'm asking! Where do you want me to play? I'm enjoying being picked over theo, its great. I started training REALLY HARD at top lane, thats all i've done the last week, and i've had at LEAST 30 games up there the last week, its all I play on my own. I've trained really hard up top lane, and Randy has been sitting behind me for a lot of those games watching/coaching me so I'm sure he can vouch for me too. My top lane play in my opionion has been top notch. I don't feed, and I play my champions quite consistently and effectively. Again, I'll play where I'm asked to play alright? Nobody has really made it evident where they want Scooty to play, so I've just been playing whatever until I hear otherwise. . . I would hate to waste all my time and training in top lane, but I'm more than willing to go where you need me. Just, tell me. Stranger lay off a bit alright? I'm doing my best dude, I'm really not trying to piss yah off and I hope I haven't said or done anything that's really gotten under your skin? If I have, please tell me and i'll change and apologize for whatever it is that i've done. . . Where should I be going!!!!! Posted by Stranger on Feb. 12 2013,13:52
i can always pull good old Kog'maw back out for some ADC if that ever happens. But i would need some practice since i don't ever play anything other than support.
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 12 2013,13:53
And it is based on whose online at the time for the most part, beacuse the last week we've had 3 people online to play at one time, at best.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 12 2013,14:00
i'm not pissed. I just am confused about our team comp right now also. I think your best lane IS top lane, cause you build for damage and do well at it. Jungle isn't your best cause you don't have the feel when to gank or you keep farming when you should be helping in a team fight. I really don't remember you playing so many games in mid so i have no opinion on it. I think we should be putting people at where they are their strongest. I guess we just have too many people for top but not enough anywhere else.And i was laughing at the fact that Leisher didn't know what your lane prefrence was of late. Don't take it personal, just thought it was funny. Thats all. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 12 2013,14:04
At this point I'm doing now, what all of you have gotten to do over the last 2 years. I've never been a real solid part of the team, in the past friends and other things came up and I was never on as much as you guys. Therefore I never got the chance to really find what lane i'm best in and what I enjoy playing the most. So unfortunately now, all you guys know where you go what you play...etc and i'm sitting here trying to become a consistent member of the team, and am hopping all over the place trying to figure out what to play. Just like all of you have played every lane and every role, except you guys after 2 years know what you like to play and what you're good at. I've always been the wild card, so I'm good at nothing, nor do I know where I'll really fit in on your team. Support was great, but my take on support wasn't the same as yours, jungle was good with me for a while, but the adc spot was wide open and I jumped on that in the hopes of having a solid role finally. . . I played a terrible adc, and really just dragged you guys down. So now i've moved to top lane for two reasons. 1 that was Theo's role, and being I'm replacing Theo I figure thats something I really need to focus on and learn. 2 it just fits my play style, and I find it a lot easier to play top lane where I can play my bruiser champions and not have to worry about feeding my ass off like I did at adc.
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 12 2013,14:06
Well I'm happy to fill any role you guys need =] I've been playing a ton of solo games (ranked) trying to train up champions and roles to impress you guys, and I felt I really did that with my Cho'Gath top display the other night. At this point whatever role you guys ask me to play, I'll be able to do that for you. I'm playing a lot on my own, in fact its all I do when I'm home now, is play League of Legends. So I'm fairly convident I'll be able to train up and perfrom well at whatever you ask me to. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 12 2013,18:22
Scooty explained to me that he wants to train top because he wants to replace Theo. He recruited Theo so we had another player to play with when one of us was gone. He didn't mean for Theo to replace him on the team. That being said, I have seen him be way more consistent with his playing. It's been all top. He's got a few champs he switches up with, but it's always top, and more or less the same style. At this point, I'd say he's about as good as Theo up there. Theo used to be better, but seems to have slipped the more he got to know us. It was as if he tried very hard in the beginning to make a good impression. Once it became a given that we'd invite him, he started playing poorly. Even as Wu Kong, he feeds and makes dumb decisions. If finally seems like Scooty is taking his training more seriously. He fought, kicked and screamed the whole way, but, I think we've almost got him there.Improvement: Be a part of the team. You still seem to solo way too much. That's something I notice when you are playing solo. You stay in your lane longer than I think you should. You mentioned a Teemo top game last night that you stayed there past 20 minutes, even after team fighting had started. Your team was losing and trying to surrender and you stayed top lane till your turret was dead. Then you joined the team and you guys won the game. You can argue that you won because you farmed long enough to become super powered. But it can also be argued that you would have won even sooner, with the enemy team being less fed had you joined earlier. Sometimes we have to team fight, sometimes we have to split push. But more often than not, you are just doing your thing regardless of what is happening in the rest of the game. Be a part of the team. We need a second support option. Stranger isn't always around. Thought Gordon was going support, but I haven't seen him there since the one night he rocked our worlds as Sona. The other night, when asked if he was going support, it was an immediate "no". Is it because you don't want to, or because you are already expert and don't need to be there? (that was humor). I think it is imperative that we have a second support option. Not trying to force Stranger out. Just covering our asses when he's not playing. I'll do it. I don't care. Just someone's gotta do it. Team comp. What's been confusing about it? We have multiple options at every lane (except support!). When we want Teemo, Leisher's been mid. If we want Graves carry, I do it, Ez, Leisher. Mid is me or Theo. Top is Gordon, etc. etc. I think we are better when we play our strengths instead of our roles. Don't force Leisher to play Graves when he's better at Teemo. Teemo: I think every game we play should have a Teemo in it. Teemo wins games. I think he's viable mid, top and even jungle. He counters impossible champs, but is also easily countered (as all champs are). We pick him to go mid, enemy counters with Anivia. Let's move him to top lane where they just picked Darius. Or into jungle because they have Veigar top (I'm just making a point. . .). He'd be awesome in jungle because he can protect his jungle, his wards are being spread out instead of being concentrated in one lane. He's fast so ganking is definitely viable, etc. Scooty likes playing Teemo top, and he does play a good teemo. He just has dumb skins. . . I'd really like to see Gordon master a second champ. Singed top is fine, but honestly, I'm also liking the pain other champs are bring up there. Like Wu Kong (when theo is trying), Jax and Cho (and now Teemo). I've been digging the Gangplank jungle. Is there ANYONE else you'd like to play?! 6 man team: As in, all six playing at the same time. Something I've noticed while watching Scooty train. Having a spotter throwing out info and tactics wins fights. I'm just looking over his shoulder watching the mini map and seeing the fighting trends. I see stuff that he doesn't because he's focused on last hitting, etc. He'll be heading to red and I'll say, leave that, there's going to be a fight in mid. I know this because I've been watching the mini map, have been paying attention to the enemies roaming patterns, etc. Of course sometimes I'm wrong, but often, I'm right. Because most of it is obvious. Except, when you are laning, shopping, etc, you aren't watching the enemy and you miss it. I was able to guide him to a lot of kills. Now, this only works when I'm the spotter because spectating has a 3 minute delay. But having one person dedicated to watching the mini map, calling out mias that are missed because that person is shopping or ganking, picking a lane to split push in because I was able to account for all enemies because I've been watching them the whole time, etc, is cool. If this is something we want to work on, I know there are ways to stream the game you are playing for people to watch as you play. I'm not sure of the delay though. And yes, playing this role is actually fun. You are basically a field commander giving orders to your troops to execute. You aren't just sitting there calling out mias. You are pretty much running the show. That's all for now. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 12 2013,18:24
Welp, I guess it was fun playing Singed top.As for me playing support, I did it one night and then everybody wanted me jungling as GP, so I don't know. You people are fickle. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 13 2013,00:54
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Posted by Leisher on Feb. 13 2013,07:19
QUOTE Scooty explained to me that he wants to train top because he wants to replace Theo. He recruited Theo so we had another player to play with when one of us was gone. He didn't mean for Theo to replace him on the team. That being said, I have seen him be way more consistent with his playing. It's been all top. He's got a few champs he switches up with, but it's always top, and more or less the same style. At this point, I'd say he's about as good as Theo up there. Theo used to be better, but seems to have slipped the more he got to know us. It was as if he tried very hard in the beginning to make a good impression. Once it became a given that we'd invite him, he started playing poorly. Even as Wu Kong, he feeds and makes dumb decisions. If finally seems like Scooty is taking his training more seriously. He fought, kicked and screamed the whole way, but, I think we've almost got him there. I'm fine with Theo being our 6th. I think he's a good guy, and a decent player who can fill top or mid, but Scooty SHOULD get priority over him since he's family. I'm not volunteering to tell him that though. QUOTE We need a second support option. Stranger isn't always around. Thought Gordon was going support, but I haven't seen him there since the one night he rocked our worlds as Sona. The other night, when asked if he was going support, it was an immediate "no". Is it because you don't want to, or because you are already expert and don't need to be there? (that was humor). I think it is imperative that we have a second support option. Not trying to force Stranger out. Just covering our asses when he's not playing. I'll do it. I don't care. Just someone's gotta do it. I vote not Gordo. He did good when he was there the last time he did it, but I just remember one quote: "It's pretty boring". I don't want anyone stuck doing something they think is boring. I mean, we're trying to have fun here. If he's found some fun there, great! Otherwise, let's get someone else to step up. Scooty has been trying support, but I don't think he ever committed himself to the role. I suppose it should be me or Cake. Now honestly, I was super geeked to be in mid for that brief period, and was already planning out my next champ purchases, but I'd be happy to give support a run too. I do own Alistar (no tank runes though...) and Kayle. Cake can then run with that piece of shit Graves. However, who goes jungle? Stranger? Then Gordo would be top and Scooty mid? Or if Cake went support I'd either ADC or could mid with Stranger jungle, Gordo top, and Scooty backup ADC? I'm open to whatever. QUOTE Team comp. What's been confusing about it? We have multiple options at every lane (except support!). When we want Teemo, Leisher's been mid. If we want Graves carry, I do it, Ez, Leisher. Mid is me or Theo. Top is Gordon, etc. etc. I think we are better when we play our strengths instead of our roles. Don't force Leisher to play Graves when he's better at Teemo. I agree, but disagree. Obviously, I'm a MUCH better Teemo player than Graves. Hell, I play Heimerdinger better than I play Graves (I wish that was a joke). However, I still think there's something to be said for roles. Last night we played a ranked game, and I was last to select. Ez was taken, and I got stuck with Graves. I was the planned ADC. The entire team had already selected champs based on their roles. What should we have done, let me take Varus, switch for Scooty's Teemo, let him go ADC, me top? Or me mid, and Gordo top with GP? No. We can't shuffle like that just because we go in with a plan of "I hope we get these specific characters." That's NOT what the pros do. We need to stick to roles, and we need to start practicing with other champs once we have specific ones down. For example, we should go into ranked games knowing I'm the ADC. After all, we do thinking Stranger is support, right? So if I'm the ADC, I need more than just Ez. He's my first choice, but I need more options. Ditto for top. Ditto for the jungle. We need to be able to counter picks at times. So while I agree that we should play champs we're good at, I think we need to find champs in our roles that we're good at, or switch to another role. QUOTE Teemo: If Scooty is going to main Teemo, I'd like the chance to do a training session with him. I'd never claim to be the world's best Teemo, but I know I'm a damn good one. I saw a lot of things last night that I'd immediately change about Scooty's Teemo: -Mushroom placement -Priorities in fights -Builds -Build order -Tactics Let me know Scooty. You might think I'm blowing smoke up my own ass, but I think I can help you out a ton. However, I don't think Teemo is an every game option. Sometimes we need Scooty to be tankier. (which leads into the next subject) QUOTE I've been digging the Gangplank jungle. I apologize right now Gordo, but I do not agree. It has nothing to do with you at all, and everything to do with Gangplank. I just don't think his kit brings much to the team. We NEVER see GPs anymore. We saw one recently come out of the jungle, and he did mostly nothing for his team. GP was a big hit when folks were playing him as Critplank and using his Q to really harass, but it was a one trick show. He is a melee champ. He's got one ranged shot that's an ability and uses mana. It's like Nidalee only a LOT less powerful. He's got a speed boost just like Miss Fortune, only it speeds up his allies too. He's got a heal, which is good for sustain. He's got an aoe ult that is global. Decent abilities in theory, but what role does it make him good for? Unless you're going Critplank, and all your runes/masteries are set for that role specifically, you're going to be dominated in the laning phase by anyone with ranged autoattacks. So top, bot, and mid are out. Bot especially because that'd make his the ADC, and he'd get harassed to death, even as Critplank. He's not support...although, thinking about it...Critplank as support is interesting. If he can get his damage to be near Nidalee's spear, and it's not a skill shot... (This is seriously something to ponder. The more I think about this, the more it intrigues me.) So that means jungle is his logical home right? But what's he bringing to the table? He has no CC. No gap closer. No slow. He's not tanky. Doesn't have a good initiate. All he's bringing in is damage, but he's melee, so without a gap closer, he can't hit anyone! His ult is the biggest problem though. Yes, it's global, but it has a big cooldown. Also, I personally don't find it to be very effective. It's essentially just a big version of MF's little circle of slow. Placement is everything, and that can be hard to judge. Also, I think it's too tempting to use at the wrong moments. For example, he dropped it late game last night to try and help Lulu escape to no avail. Moments later, as enemy minions and champs were pushing our mid turrets, he didn't have it available. Obviously it would have been much more effective there, but it's not like he can see the future nor is it good to always turn down chances to get a solo kill on an escaping enemy or help a teammate run for a "just in case" type of mindset. So no, I do not like GP jungle, and if my vote mattered, I'd vote that we don't see him again. So "everybody" didn't want you jungling as GP ![]() I wouldn't tell you who to play, but we need a tank on the team in the worst way. We need more CC. We need an initiator. Alistar never gets banned, has a GREAT initiator, a stun, a healing ability, and is a tank. QUOTE But having one person dedicated to watching the mini map, calling out mias that are missed because that person is shopping or ganking, picking a lane to split push in because I was able to account for all enemies because I've been watching them the whole time, etc, is cool. I dug that a lot. I am officially done with Graves. Not that he was the only thing wrong with that last game, but mentally I just abhor the character, and I've had very few games where I found him to be even remotely fun to play. So I'll be working in more MF, and I think some Varus. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2013,07:27
1. I found SONA to be boring. She has one offensive move, her ult-stun, and that is just dull as hell. Soraka is a little more interesting. I could explore Soraka further, if you know what I mean.2. GP is better than you think, I think. He usually get him to the point in a game where he is crit-plank, and yes, I do have the runes and masteries to go along with it. Cake has mentioned it, "Whoa, GP is doing some damage now." Last night was a waste for crit-plank, though, which is why I was getting frustrated. I was a crit-plank, but I couldn't get my team to support anything I did due to being skittish. I get that it is a different mindset... we are not accustomed to my playing a heavy-damage dealer, but you guys need to do a better job of reading my mind, I think. I honestly think we lost the game because of that single battle near the end when no one would cover me. I got fucked at the dragononce too, because my team didn't engage like they said they would. LEft me alone with a 90% dead dragon and then the enemy team showed up to kill me, when if I'd had a little support we'd have gotten the dragon and I could have gotten away, too. You fuckers. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2013,07:29
Also, one last thing, no one of us should be deciding to themselves "We can't be team fighting them" and then not tell anyone else of their decision, and then just not engage when everyone else starts a team fight.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2013,07:32
ALSO, correct me because I must be wrong... we had people get killed due to not calling MIA because someone was eating chips in the middle of a ranked game?
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 13 2013,07:50
QUOTE 2. GP is better than you think, I think. He usually get him to the point in a game where he is crit-plank, and yes, I do have the runes and masteries to go along with it. Cake has mentioned it, "Whoa, GP is doing some damage now." Last night was a waste for crit-plank, though, which is why I was getting frustrated. I was a crit-plank, but I couldn't get my team to support anything I did due to being skittish. I get that it is a different mindset... we are not accustomed to my playing a heavy-damage dealer, but you guys need to do a better job of reading my mind, I think. I know Cake loves GP jungle, but I do not. I've stated my case. He's the exact opposite of what I think jungles should be bringing to a team. But prove me wrong! I'd be thrilled if you did. QUOTE Also, one last thing, no one of us should be deciding to themselves "We can't be team fighting them" and then not tell anyone else of their decision, and then just not engage when everyone else starts a team fight. I agree. If you're running from a battle while your teammates are engaged, and you're not saying anything, their deaths are on you. Scooty, last night I ran into a battle when the enemy was fighting baron, and you were engaged with Pantheon and Nidalee. You ran without letting me know, and I got torn to pieces. Had you focused Nidalee instead, we would have gotten at least one kill, and possibly escaped. I know you talked about how we couldn't take on Pantheon, but at that point in the game, Pantheon was nothing to me. He was a health tank, and had no damage. We should have been ignoring him and focusing on their damage dealer. Teemo Tip: You are going to die. Embrace that and play accordingly. QUOTE I honestly think we lost the game because of that single battle near the end when no one would cover me. First of all, we didn't lose that game because of one fight. We lost it because we kept going into fights as individuals. We were not communicating at all. I was saying in comms after the baron fight that the next fight has to take place under our turrets. Guess where the next fight didn't take place. And yeah, I don't know why our tank didn't cover you in that fight... On a related note, Cake you asked what's wrong with team comp... We're apparently a team with 4 damage dealers. We're squishy as fuck, and we've got four people who all believe they need the farm. And did I mention zero CC, and no real initiator? You talk about how much we need a backup support, but I think our team's real need is a tank/initiator. We need someone who is ok with ending a game at 0/10/15. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 13 2013,07:53
![]() Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2013,07:56
Pantheon was nothing to me, too.And again, that fight in the jungle was not individuals. Me and Scooty (I think it was Scooty) were going from mid to top, to push or something. We caught their Skarner at the red, and we took him out fast. Then their Pantheon showed up, and I engaged, and started ripping him up. But, he had 2 Warmogs and 3 times my health, so we were staying pretty close in the "percentage hurt" area. About this time I started hearing chat about how Soraka and others were in the area, and my team was in the area, but I said, "STAY ON PANTHEON," which I don't think anyone did. It was 4v5. We were all in the area, approximately. We had the initiative, 1 of them was dead, and 2 of us were there to kill another one of them. Pantheon and I killed each other at the same time, which would not have happened if I had had support. My team was running, and I think we could have gotten an ace with no losses. Once Pantheon was dead, meaning they had no tanks left, I would have been available to rip apart whoever was left in a 3v5. That's the skirmish I saw. We had massive initiative and we could have won the game but we gave it away. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 13 2013,08:15
You saw a completely different battle than I did. Also, this fight was WAY before the end of the game. I saw Teemo and GP in their jungle near their red. Our Keenan was in their top lane near the river. I, Ez, was near our blue. Our support wasn't anywhere in the area. On the map, I saw Soraka, Pantheon, and one other enemy character (Kha'Zix?) appear near Teemo and GP well before fighting began. Fighting started, and Theo said in comms that he was coming and to stay alive. I was well behind him. I heard Gordo say "stay on him" and I was just in the tribush above baron and below their first tower. I came hustling in, and ran right into Graves who immediately feigned going back while I did the same as I was cut off from you guys. Then a Nidalee spear hit me and Graves dashed in, and they both melted me. Keenan only escaped because he had Flash up. Point being, you guys engaged, while surrounded by enemies, in enemy territory, and while you had teammates in the area, we weren't exactly within striking distance. By the time I got to that fight, I was completely cutoff and wound up dying. Dead to a fight I said not to start. That's frustrating. I don't understand why you guys were even in their jungle? Posted by Leisher on Feb. 13 2013,08:32
By the way, this describes what I was talking about with that gank earlier in the game: Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2013,08:36
Trying to go to the goddam LOL Replay but I can't get anything I played in February to launch.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 13 2013,08:47
Didn't Cake mention that a recent patch broke it?
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2013,08:54
I don't recall him saying that, but that's what I am seeing. Everything since Feb 2 is corrupted.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 13 2013,08:55
That sucks. Well, long story short, you guys shouldn't have been there, nor should you have engaged. ![]() Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2013,09:12
Tired of this conversation. Looks like there is a LOL Replay patch that came out today, so everybody who wants it, grab it. < http://www.leaguereplays.com/download_latest/ > Posted by Stranger on Feb. 13 2013,09:32
(GORDON @ Feb. 13 2013,12:12) QUOTE Looks like there is a LOL Replay patch that came out today, so everybody who wants it, grab it. < http://www.leaguereplays.com/download_latest/ > Good! i wasn't able to watch any of my recordings either. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 13 2013,09:56
(GORDON @ Feb. 13 2013,12:12) QUOTE Tired of this conversation. Our strength as a team is our ability to communicate. It is unmatched and why we keep winning. ![]() Posted by Trooper on Feb. 13 2013,13:34
LoL replay was fixed, got mine up and running last night, along with the live stream which I posted up here for you guys to see. Now you can check in on my Top Lane progess to see who i'm training and critisize any of my builds/tactics....etc Leisher I would be delighted to sit down and have a Teemo training session, I think there is a lot that both of us can learn from each other being we're both pretty much Teemo veterans at this point. My builds my be crazy, but that's only because I'm deviating from my normal run of the mill Teemo build, trying to find something that nobody has ever tried before that works. AD Teemo? Tried it, it sucked. This new damage over-time Teemo? Tried it, wasn't impressed. Seems I keep going right back to that strict AP Teemo build everytime, as it seems to be the most effective. I'm not maining Teemo, as I've found out from playing nothing but ranked games now, you CAN'T main anybody in a ranked game. Either your main gets ban, countered, or picked by the enemey team before you can. Thats why i've been playing an extensive amount of Jax/Cho'Gath/Olaf/Teemo/Udyr, and am going to start reworking my Pantheon for top real soon. This way I can be sure that I have plenty of options for countering the enemy top lane. I agree that we all need to have a roll, and stick to it. I'm the solo top, Tim is the carry, Ronnie is the support, Randy is the mid, and Steve is the Jungle. Pro's don't switch lanes, they have their lanes, and they stick to them. If one of the 5 players just mentioned is missing, we invite Theo and we play a normal draft pick, NOT ranked. Ranked should only be played when we have the entire team together, for maximum synergy. . .etc I've been training with a buddy of mine recently, he just advanced to the Gold Division in Ranked, and has well over 1300 wins under his belt. Hes a VERY good player, and has asked that I not only setup the replays for him to start watching my games up top to break them down play by play to give me advice, but also asked that I stream our team games, which i've also done so that he can watch our games live, giving us pointers and such while playing (basically what Randy was doing last night, minus the chips, and plus a ton more experience in all aspects of the game (Champions/lanes/roles/strategies...etc)) He can be in Voice chat if you like while watching our live stream, or, I can have him watch, and just message me after to give pointers and advice and such. What do you guys think? He'll be watching the live feed regardless, I'm just simply asking if you guys want advice from him aswell, or if I should just keep this between myself and him. Thats about all I can think of for right now. . . Posted by Leisher on Feb. 13 2013,13:37
I wouldn't mind having a gold player drop us tips.Does anyone have some maps of SR that I can make notes on? Posted by Trooper on Feb. 13 2013,13:41
< SR Map for you sir, just click images after the little display ;D >First one in the images list should do it, just make sure when you click on it, don't visit the site, but click to view full image, then just right-click save as. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 13 2013,18:10
Gordon and Scooty weren't scouting their jungle. There had been some split pushing happening after a fight and decided to join kennen at top. They found scarner, killed him, then shit hit the fan as they were able to respond to stuff happening better then we did. As is often the case. Our responses suck. They are either too slow, not coordinated, unwise, etc. One of the reasons why I've been getting away from a tanky jungle and going damage. SOOOO many times I'm chasing an enemy as a non-damage dealing Naut trying to eat away the last 10 hp of an enemy. Except, their health regen is greater than my damage output. Our team fighting, more often than not, is our undoing. Yes, there are plenty of games where we win team fights and then the game. But those are far fewer than the games we lose trying to do the same thing. We are smart, patient and disciplined. We should be out thinking our enemies because they can, more often than not, out fight us. There are plenty of teams we go against that are all squishy and kick our asses. The first game of the night, we had damn near the same team comp, and they surrendered early. There is rarely (never really) a game where I think "Damn, if we'd have had xchampx, we would have won that game". EVERY game we lose, I blame our tactics, our decisions, our lack of coordinated team play. Scooty was playing Teemo like he used to play ADC. Away from the fight because he didn't want to die. And like I said, either learn to play Teemo in the fight, or play a different champ. Not being a part of the team is not an option.Gordon, someone died to a jungle gank because your spotter was eating chips. An active player didn't miss calling an MIA, the active players that got ganked died when they didn't see it coming and the spotter was eating chips. And actually, I was just watching Scooty lane. I was micro managing him instead of watching the board. Near the end of that game, I should have taken more of a leadership role. I should have been calling targets, etc. I kind of went into an info only mode. I should have been more active. Leisher, the big fight that you lost after declaring that you only fight under turrets happened at the baron. Which in my opinion was a good time to start a fight, but per our usual, it's execution was abysmal. The baron is just as good as any turret to give you an edge. But, everyone was split up, not everyone committed, and not everyone waited for the team to make a proper response. The correct call to challenge baron was made. The response was poor and some people hesitated. Those that didn't hesitate went in knowing the window for challenge was closing. One right call, two actions creating disaster. Our whole team was alive, the enemy was getting hit by baron, there is rarely a time when you don't engage under those circumstances. But it has to be swift and as a team. If either of those don't happen, you abort and give them baron. After the last game, Theo pm'ed me and said "I think we need a new top". Kind of pissed me off. Not because he's talking about Scooty, but because that was just a dumb thing to say. His score was the same, if not worse by a couple of assist. There wasn't a single person on our team that did anything close to good that game. You could argue that I might have because I went 5/3/and some assist. But I was jungling and most of my kills came from cleaning up other fights that were already over. Which is how Scooty was getting all of his Teemo kills. Except when I did it, it was because I couldn't get to the fight fast enough. Not because I was avoiding the fight. Point is, if he wants to play top lane, then campaign for it by being a better top laner. Not by calling out someone else for sucking. Just found it fucked up that he felt the need to say something when he had damn near the exact same score and failed his lane just as hard. My response was "I think we need a new everything". That game completely failed. And it wasn't just top's fault. But all that being said, Theo is just getting worse and worse and worse. He constantly makes bad decisions trying to force a kill. It's uncommon for him to win his lane any more. When was the last time we saw a 15/5/12 game from him? Leisher, I'd rather see you expand your carry choices as apposed to going support. I have multiple mid and jungle options. I can cross train into support. However, I don't think I can support the way Stranger does. I'd have to study him a lot more. Whenever I support, it's as a more pokey/damagey champ. Like Nidalee. I still take gold runes, buy wards, etc. But, I feed my spear, have no stun, etc. I can heal and help get a champ down to a basic hit from death, or secure a kill with a long spear shot. So, instead of you running the show and me just keeping you alive. We are more of a damage dealing team. Besides just not knowing the nuances of Stranger Support Style, most of the time I'm ADC in solo queue, it's with a more damaging support. So, that's the mode of play I'm used to. So, be aware. I've also supported as Naut. I pull them in, you hit them kind of thing. I can tank some damage with him as well to try to draw their fire and allow you to do more damage. But again, I can't ever secure the finish when you can't. So, ya. Replay was broken with the season 3 patch. The devs know it, acknowledged it and imply they are working on it. I'm still recording with the hopes that when it's fixed, it will include a util that will fix the old replays. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 13 2013,18:28
Last thing, for the record, my birds eye view of 'jungle gate' is:Gordon and Scooty made the right call to join Kennen up top. They found Skarner. They made the right call killing him as it only took seconds. Then they should have continued top or fallen back. Falling back would have been my call. The entire game, the enemy team displayed excellent response skills. You guys had been losing encounters repeatedly. This was building up into another one. You should have only been fighting when you had a good advantage. A 4v5 isn't a good advantage that game against that team. Especially when skarner was the missing enemy. You never focused him anyway, so, he was pretty much a non issue. You were fighting their damage dealers who had been kicking your asses for the last 10 minutes. Once enemy contact was made, regrouping in a safe spot should have been a priority. You may have been doing damage to another one of them, but your whole team was out of possition and the enemy team responded perfectly by pinching you guys and cutting off anyone trying to provide support. Based on how the enemy responded, the position of all allies, etc. There was no way we won that fight. Hit and run should have been the strategy, not hit and stick around for the team fight. You guys had just gotten completely owned the last few and there was nothing that indicated this time would have been any different. Especially given the way our team was spread out. Of course, this all happened in what, 15 seconds? Maybe 20? You made a call. A call all of us have made many times. Just saying, 20/20, it was the wrong call. That team fight would have ended exactly as the others had been. They had already been killing you guys, 5v4, under your turrets while Pantheon split pushed. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2013,18:48
Skarner was dead. Pantheon was dead, I know because he and I killed each other at the exact same time. If I had had help, I would have survived the fight then it was a 5v3 with a GP that had just gone shopping.Everything else is speculation, but the above actually happened. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 14 2013,04:44
Well that last game last night was terrible.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 14 2013,06:30
really wanted to play last night, but it was starting later than i figured and i was getting tired just sitting around.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 14 2013,07:49
(Stranger @ Feb. 14 2013,09:30) QUOTE really wanted to play last night, but it was starting later than i figured and i was getting tired just sitting around. Yeah I was about to quit too when they finally showed up. Posted by Stranger on Feb. 14 2013,08:04
And i don't think i'll be on tonight cause its my birthday and its Valentine's day. So i guess i'll be spending the evening with my wife... Every year this day is a double whammy for me!
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 14 2013,08:52
(Stranger @ Feb. 14 2013,10:04) QUOTE And i don't think i'll be on tonight cause its my birthday and its Valentine's day. So i guess i'll be spending the evening with my wife... Every year this day is a double whammy for me! Have you considered changing either your birthday or the holiday? Posted by Trooper on Feb. 14 2013,10:58
Why don't you guys just start without us? Whats wrong with that.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 14 2013,11:29
Yeah, I wasn't ready until 9:30-10:00 because my kids were with their grandparents and didn't get home until late. Not sure what was going on in the Cake household that prevented our starting until 11. I will be on tonight between 9-9:30, which is normal time. Onto actual LoL conversations: -We need to work on pathfinding. Even if they were cutting over to top, they took the worst route possible. Our team is composed of spice truck drivers from the original C&C... -Pathfinding and positioning are our biggest problems. We keep putting ourselves into bad situations. Soooo many team fights are lost because we're running into fights trying to defend someone else who got caught out of position. If we can't fix pathfinding, and not getting caught way out of position, then as a team, we need to stop responding individually to those situations and getting picked off. -I like Nidalee support. So much that I think Stranger should think about her too. She's got a heal, traps to very poorly ward and slow, escapability, and a mega shot harass. -I had a bit of a curve getting used to Varus, but I'm starting to dig him. Everyone on the team needs to either listen for who I'm stunning or watch who my ult hits as they can do shit for about 2 seconds. That person is dead because if they're in range of my ult, then I can also drop a slow on them before they're able to escape. No champion in the game should be able to live through our attacks for that time period. Nearby champions will get stunned next as my ult moves to them. -I think Gordo should save his ults for team fights and baron steals. And don't even drop it in the baron circle, drop it with baron on the edge, and the rest of your circle encompassing the entrace to baron where their squishies will be standing. -More communication. We're still a bit weak on calling targets, and more importantly, intentions. -Scooty needs to get a mic. Is there no Best Buy within 300 miles? -Personally, I think we need to be more aggressive with a lead. Don't give them a chance to farm and come back. Basically, don't do what teams who let us get back into the game do. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 14 2013,11:31
(Trooper @ Feb. 14 2013,13:58) QUOTE Why don't you guys just start without us? Whats wrong with that. Because then we're including Theo, which means someone else is out. Are you volunteering to sit out so Theo can play? Didn't think so. Are you saying one of us, who are all on on time should sit so you can play when you get on? Didn't think so. Just be on earlier. Being on later also means fewer games. If the game isn't fun, let's move to other games that might get us to log on earlier... Posted by GORDON on Feb. 14 2013,13:02
So here's what happened to me that second fight:- We started at their blue, which is awesome. I like it. But I took damage, and I didn't get the last hit, which means I got no experience for it, so I am starting my jungling with a deficit. - I went right to my red where we normally start, and I didn't have much of a leash because most peeps just went to their lanes, so I took more damage and had more of a deficit. - Typically at the end of my very first cut through the jungle I have JUST enough health w/potions to take the blue at level 2 which gets me to level 3 when I kill it... I couldn't get blue without going back to base first, which put me behind on leveling. - I went to base and went back to get blue. I noticed one of my jungle spawns was missing. By the time I worked my way back down to red the first time it respawned, Shyvanna was already in our jungle and, as far as I can tell, stayed in our jungle. She was always right there when our shit respawned, and killed me right as I killed the red or blue. - There was never a response for it. I wasn't making any money for wards because I was always dead. And I don't think wards would have helped, because even if we would see one and respond their whole team would show up. So we just got soundly beaten, and I was never in the fight to begin with because of the way we started. It was honestly just one of those times I was 0/4/0 at 9 minutes and just wanted to quit. Posted by Stranger on Feb. 14 2013,13:30
(Leisher @ Feb. 14 2013,14:29) QUOTE -I like Nidalee support. So much that I think Stranger should think about her too. She's got a heal, traps to very poorly ward and slow, escapability, and a mega shot harass. i wouldn't be against trying Nidalee at support. She does have a supportish kinda kit. Thats why i had mentioned i was gonna start playing some Lux support. Since the last few times i've played its been ranked i haven't brought her out yet. Next normal game we play i will give her a go. And i will look into playing Nidalee too. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 14 2013,13:53
QUOTE We started at their blue, which is awesome. I like it. But I took damage, and I didn't get the last hit, which means I got no experience for it, so I am starting my jungling with a deficit. I agree with you on this one. You should have gotten that first blue, then when you hit your blue, called your mid over to grab the kill on that...or kept that one yourself too, because the laners are used to being without it. QUOTE - I went right to my red where we normally start, and I didn't have much of a leash because most peeps just went to their lanes, so I took more damage and had more of a deficit. I was with you at your red. Wasn't Cake with us too? QUOTE She was always right there when our shit respawned, and killed me right as I killed the red or blue. That message was not relayed well. I heard about problems you were having in the jungle, but that specifically was never said. I would think such an on the clock schedule would mean we could ambush her. Two things here: 1. I think you should have tried counter jungling her. If she's in your jungle, then hers is wide open. 2. Go gank the fuck out of lanes. If you're getting kills, while she's dicking around in the jungle, her team is going to start bitching at her. You don't even need to kill peeps, just get them to recall and put their farm and turret in danger. 3. Hard push a lane. Join someone and hard push a lane to kill the turret. Preferably someone way ahead of their lane opponent or someone way behind. The point is that she can't be everywhere at once. You've got to quickly figure out what needs to be done to correct the issue, and do it. It may be wrong, but you did SOMETHING. Don't worry about how you normally have just this much to do the next spawn and yada yada. That's the sort of thing we're trying to learn. What happens when our pattern breaks? What about our build should we game this game to match what the enemy team is bringing? We've got to be adaptable. And just FYI, if Cake and I were dominating that lane, we'd be more available to run to help you in the jungle. Ditto for mid and I guess top. So that didn't help matters, and that was our fault. However, you can't count on that. We can't lose our farm and turret safety to bail you out or that sets not just you, but the whole team behind. Thus, my pitch that we adapt and find a better option like the three I listed. QUOTE i wouldn't be against trying Nidalee at support. She does have a supportish kinda kit. Thats why i had mentioned i was gonna start playing some Lux support. Since the last few times i've played its been ranked i haven't brought her out yet. Next normal game we play i will give her a go. And i will look into playing Nidalee too. Lux and Nid are cool with me. Lux has a lot more harass, but Nid has a great kit. Let's talk Theo... Do you guys think his game has dropped because he doesn't give a shit about our team since he figures we're not going pro or because Scooty is getting more playing time than him or because we've been moving him mid? He hates mid. Every night we play he talks about top. What if, since Stranger is out tonight, we appease him a bit and I'll go mid with Teemo, Scooty can run backup ADC, Cake can support (they're in the same room so they can communicate easily since nobody in the world makes microphones anymore...), and Gordo can jungle. Teemo mid will allow me to "ward" jungle a bit more to help Gordo out and Theo will be able to run wild up top. Thoughts? Posted by Leisher on Feb. 14 2013,13:55
In other news, Replays are now in beta on the PBE!!!< Patch today. > Also Gordo, Nasus got buffed today. Is he a viable jungle? Posted by Trooper on Feb. 14 2013,14:41
Do you have money to buy me a new headset?! Thank you! Relax, I got a nice one today. I'll only play mid and top! I can't do adc well at allllllllll. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 14 2013,15:29
What's the nasus buff?
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 14 2013,15:41
It's in that patch link.Scooty, there's this thing called a job. They will pay you money to do things. You should look into it. Ya bum. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 14 2013,15:48
(Leisher @ Feb. 14 2013,17:41) QUOTE Scooty, there's this thing called a job. They will pay you money to do things. You should look into it. Ya bum. Fuck jobs, avoid them as long as possible. Employment = failure. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 14 2013,16:12
I think Theo's game play has gone down because he just doesn't care any more. Laughs when he dies and when we lose instead of trying harder. As I've said. At first, he played well to make a good impression. Now he's burping in voice (which I find highly annoying), laughs when he dies, does really dumb things, etc. His discipline is completely gone. I don't think it's payback for Scooty playing or having to play mid. He just figures he's an automatic invite and is just playing casually now.Nothing is more annoying than someone messing up how you want to play your game. As in, counter jungling. You know how many health pots it takes to clear the jungle X number of times, what order to do things, how much money you have when you go back, that you can kill this spawn even though you only have 200hp, etc. When an enemy pokes their heads in there, you are fucked up, pissed and then start doing dumb things to catch up. I know. I've been there. You have to jungle just like you lane. If you are low health, you go back. Pull your spawns into the bushes so the enemy can't run into them, stand there and watch you fight the spawn, then jump you when you are at your weakest. There are LOTS of things you can do to counter a counter. You'll learn them. Quitting won't teach you though. Does Nasus have a gap closer? Running out of the bushes may not cut it. Jarvin IV has shown good things out of the jungle though. Has a gap closer and that arena thing. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 14 2013,17:04
(Leisher @ Feb. 14 2013,18:41) QUOTE It's in that patch link. Scooty, there's this thing called a job. They will pay you money to do things. You should look into it. Ya bum. There are some "jobs" I like. Receiving. From your moms. Tell them I said happy valentine's day. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 14 2013,17:11
(Cakedaddy @ Feb. 14 2013,19:12) QUOTE Nothing is more annoying than someone messing up how you want to play your game. As in, counter jungling. I've been contemplating all day about how to be an aggressive counter jungler... living in their jungle instead of trying to clear mine hoping they aren't in it. I figure this: - I first noticed Shyvanna in our jungle after the first time through... so, about 5 minutes in, she started hitting our jungle. - She was a lot more powerful than me at 5 minutes in. I engaged her 1v1 with GP, both of us about level 3, I was fully healed with pots and AD runes and masteries. Only got her to about 40% health before she killed me. Probably just a difference in characters, since I believe GP is much more powerful built at 18. - They runed the fuck out of everything, and responded to every challenge as a team. When I tried to hit Syvanna in the jungle, it almost always ended up being a 2v1. When I started laning with bottom, they had 3 peeps there immediately to counter. - We never responded to her counter jungling, as a team, beyond switching places with me to try and be a better counter to her. By then, damage was done and I had fed her with at least 5 deaths. I am going to have to watch the replay to see how she did it. I'd like to do that in the future. We only see heavy counter jungling once in approx every 6 games, so if I got to be a good counter jungler I think we could fuck their shit. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 14 2013,17:12
Since no one wants Singed at top any more, that is.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 14 2013,17:28
Just watched the replay.Her build was Wriggles Lantern, the shoes with +25 resist, then the axe that has a bunch of lifesteal, then frozen mallet. Game was over soon after that. I first saw her in my jungle at 7:30. She killed me right after i got red, bumped into her as she finished off my wraiths and I was half health. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 14 2013,18:17
(GORDON @ Feb. 14 2013,20:12) QUOTE Since no one wants Singed at top any more, that is. I would disagree with that. The problem is we've got too many tops, and not enough people willing to go elsewhere. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 14 2013,19:31
(Leisher @ Feb. 14 2013,20:17) QUOTE (GORDON @ Feb. 14 2013,20:12) QUOTE Since no one wants Singed at top any more, that is. I would disagree with that. The problem is we've got too many tops, and not enough people willing to go elsewhere. That's how most orgies go bad. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 14 2013,21:34
Yep, we officially have too many tops. Theo is starting to straight up feed mid so he can go back top. He had a good last game, but that doesn't totally redeem all the games we've lost because of him.And really, his top hasn't been great lately either. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 14 2013,21:37
So, Nidalee support. . . I'm feeding my spear early instead of my heals. Is that working out? It did well the last game, but we got zoned out the second to last game. But, I don't think that had anything to do with spear over heal. . . I guess I'm asking, which do you prefer, big spears, or big heals?I'm learning to use her Cougar form more too. I have to work on dumping my spells right before changing though for maximum effectiveness. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 14 2013,21:38
QUOTE That's how most orgies go bad. That's funny. QUOTE Yep, we officially have too many tops. Theo is starting to straight up feed mid so he can go back top. He had a good last game, but that doesn't totally redeem all the games we've lost because of him. Yeah, I don't know what happened that Anivia game. We were about even at bot, and then all of a sudden Anivia shows up fed as hell dropping her, not at all OP, ult every 6 seconds (actual CD). That Soraka/Thresh bot was interesting and good to start, but we started out damaging them pretty quickly. QUOTE So, Nidalee support. . . I'm feeding my spear early instead of my heals. Is that working out? It did well the last game, but we got zoned out the second to last game. But, I don't think that had anything to do with spear over heal. . . I guess I'm asking, which do you prefer, big spears, or big heals? Big spears. The heal is nice, but I have pots. Those spears were making it hard for the enemy to harass. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 14 2013,21:42
(Leisher @ Feb. 14 2013,15:41) QUOTE Scooty, there's this thing called a job. They will pay you money to do things. You should look into it. Ya bum. I've got a job thank you very much ![]() Posted by Trooper on Feb. 14 2013,21:44
I've got the Gold division ranked friend of mine that would love to join up and rock mid for us, or any position for that matter. Just let me know, he knows his stuff and his gameplay reflects it. Hes usually on almost every night aswell, just as Theo is.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 14 2013,21:50
He knows he's going to have to stop playing multiple roles if he's going to go pro, right?
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 14 2013,21:53
Show me one team in LCS right now, that switches roles. Hence the reason you look at their team page, and they list whose top mid bot support jungle. Cause you play one lane, and you learn it really really well, and the champions you'll come to face in said lane. I have no problems switching lanes, but in ranked games I don't understand why we need to, or would really ever want to.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 15 2013,07:21
< http://www.reignofgaming.net/ >lots of cool info on here. New champ Quinn is now out on PBE and looks like she is an ADC, nice to see since i think Draven was the last one released. Definetly a must buy for you AD players. And it looks like Riot is going to implement an official replay system, which will be nice. Also i will be playing tonight, i plan on starting early and staying on late to catch up for some lost time. Lets get our first ranked team win tonight!!! It's about time! Posted by Leisher on Feb. 15 2013,08:01
QUOTE Show me one team in LCS right now, that switches roles. Hence the reason you look at their team page, and they list whose top mid bot support jungle. Cause you play one lane, and you learn it really really well, and the champions you'll come to face in said lane. I have no problems switching lanes, but in ranked games I don't understand why we need to, or would really ever want to. Scooty, do you think your short term memory stems from insanity or youth? You giving this speech is like Obama going on TV tomorrow, and declaring that people need to take responsibility for their own lives and financial situations. ![]() I'm going to keep picking on you for a moment if you don't mind. Serious issues, but understand the teasing is in fun. First, when you started practicing top, and really dedicated yourself to it, did you intentionally go out of your way to pick the one role on the team that we're overflowing with people who play it, and want to play it? Second, please do not talk yourself up post-game and declare you were the reason we won. I don't care if an opponent said you carried. That opponent said that in a mutual blow smoke up each other's ass chat session that only you two were involved in, and the guy was fishing for an invite into the team. He would have said anything! He was like a teenage boy trying to get into his date's pants. You played very well, but you didn't carry. You forget that during that game you were getting beat up by Malphite at top, while I was in mid getting out ranged by Syndra. We switched, and everything changed. It helped us both farm more as we were getting cut off early, helped us control those lanes, freed our jungler up, and imho, won us the game. Our response to bad character match-ups was the turning point of that game. And not for nothing, but two of your teammates had 27 assists each and some kills, your ADC (Ez) got a good number of kills, and the Teemo (Best Teemo NA) who went top went 16/7/18. Your k/d/a must have been 40/2/20 to consider yourself as having carried that game... Ok, I'm twisting the knife there, but the point is nothing sucks the life out of a win faster than one person on the winning team taking all the credit for it. You're essentially declaring to your team that their contributions were meaningless. I know that's not your intent, but that's exactly what happens. Don't alienate your teammates that way, and in all honesty, no matter what your score is you need to understand that LoL is a team game. The tank who initiates all team fights, dies in each one, and goes 0/7/15 is just as important, and played just as well, as the carry that goes 12/0/3. Ok, I'm done picking on Scooty, so let's turn to some other issues... 1. Roles. As stated earlier, we should have set roles (Scooty agrees with me), but we need to have a blood letting before we set them in stone. Top is our biggest problem. Right now we have a guy who just declared himself top, another guy who has been top for over a year and got bumped to jungle, and a guy that isn't great in mid who wants top. This has had something of a domino effect throughout the team. Mainly, we've got a jungler who is a bit frustrated with his role. He's learning a new position, and isn't exactly sure why he isn't top anymore with a champ he dedicated a ton of time to. We've also got a mid who doesn't want to be mid, and his play reflects that. I don't know what the call is here, but someone needs to lay down the law, and everyone needs to accept their role. 2. Theo. Work that shit out. I know some burping and singing aren't the true issue here because we're men and we burp and fart. It's the way he's been playing lately, and his criticisms of our top that are the true issue. So, I'm just asking that we figure out what we're doing with him. Is he a permanent alternate? Do we dump him outright? Do we appease him and shift roles so he's top? Does anyone say anything to him about how his play has fallen off? I'll eave this issue in the hands of his recruiter, Scooty, and his harshest critic, Cake. 3. This "gold" player. I'm all for bringing him in. However, we already have issues with nights when we have 6 on, do we really want to make that more frequent, and create 7 player nights? None of us have met him either, so we could dump Theo for a better player, and find him to have a worse attitude. Again, I think this is a call for Scooty and Cake since they're the recruiter and team leader. By the way, let's all give Scooty a legit thanks for stepping up and recruiting quality players. That's something we honestly haven't been able to do. I think that's enough to spark some chatter today. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 15 2013,10:41
Yall played an awesome game last night, I think we did an amazing job, everyone, at playing as a team. I was only happy to get my first kudos from the enemy team, and by no means meant that I carried and everybody else on my team sucked (now where have I heard that before? . . .). . . I can go mid if Theo really wants his top lane, as I think a lot of my champions can play just the same if not possibly better in mid lane. I can also pull out some of my other champs like Kennen and Xerath that I really excell at, that I was never able to play up in top lane. Or I can play a different lane, really doesn't matter to me. I have my dedication to the team in full swing at this point, so thats your guys' call at this point. I picked top because it was what I was most familiar with, no issues in learning another lane. I can do support bottom with nid lux and taric, I can jungle with Olaf and Jax, I just can't and would rather not play adc. Thats all I'm asking. The gold player I speak of has a ton of talent, a ton of experience, and is very well mannered, I believe you'll like him just as much if not more than Theo. I can speak with Theo if you guys like, I have no problems with that, in fact i'll address some of the issues tonight with him in private chat. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 15 2013,10:46
And thanks Leisher =] I'm lucky in the sense that I have a decent pool of friends that play this game, and in playing with them I meet their friends and so on. I know the high standards and expectations this team has, and I pride in taking them serious when it comes to recruitment.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 15 2013,11:06
QUOTE and by no means meant that I carried and everybody else on my team sucked (now where have I heard that before? . . .). . . Actually, you did specifically say that you carried. ![]() And who does that? I've heard everyone bragging about Kills/Assists and two people who went through a period where they bragged about fewest deaths, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how they carried the team...have I? QUOTE I can go mid if Theo really wants his top lane First, I'm not sure it's just a Theo issue. Gordo has made snarky comments about being booted from Singed/Top, and snarky comments from him usually have something behind them. I don't want him stuck in a role he doesn't want. Ditto for everyone on the team. It's why I think we need to have a team conversation about this topic. Second, it seems like all 5 of us will be on tonight, so doesn't that eliminate Theo from playing this evening? Point being, if we give him top, it doesn't matter when he's not playing. QUOTE I can speak with Theo if you guys like, I have no problems with that, in fact i'll address some of the issues tonight with him in private chat. Hold off until we have a full chat about it. I honestly think his belching and singing and whatnot aren't the real issues, so I think it's silly to address with him. Silly if they are too... I think it's more about role and spot on the team, which we have no consensus on at the moment, so hold off on that conversation until we do. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 15 2013,11:20
I was kidding, but gordo always makes the "I played really well, and everyone else just sucked" comments hahah As a joke I'm sure, a lot of his comments crack me up. And I was really just happy for myself, and purely poking fun when I said I carried, seeing as teemo and Ez had a better score than myself, I forsure didn't NOT carry by any means, I usually never do anyway. Just happy I'm not dragging the team down anymore, and actually contributing to a much needed victory (Or so I hope). Posted by GORDON on Feb. 15 2013,12:23
(Trooper @ Feb. 15 2013,14:20) QUOTE I was kidding, but gordo always makes the "I played really well, and everyone else just sucked" comments hahah As a joke I'm sure, a lot of his comments crack me up. I know I frequently say that everybody sucks but me, but that is because I honestly believe that to be true. HOWEVER. I also know that I am insane, so I don't commit to that philosophy too hard. The Theo issue: the only one I really care about is whether or not he is getting it done. Lately, I don't think he is getting it done. I am pretty sure 0/6/0 cost us that game last night. he didn't hold the lane, he fed Annivia, and he didn't keep Annivia from feeding. Two of those things sound similar, but I consider them separate. I don't know what the issue is... is it really because he can't play mid, and wants top? As for my snarky comments regarding top: what the hell happened there? My Singed/top was consistent, and rarely failed up there. It seems like we took a decent situation and made it worse. I'll get better in jungle, and I want to buy Shyvana soon (almost have enough IP) and start that aggressive counter-jungling, but I'm not sure if taking Singed out of the game is a great move for the team. Singed is a motherfucker and the enemy team hates him. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 15 2013,12:26
Also, regarding Scooty's breaking his arm patting himself on the back, last night: I had assumed he was just being funny. If an enemy said something good about me, I would have done the same thing. Scooty became a terror late game, but I don't think that counts as carrying the team. I assumed he knew that....
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 15 2013,12:54
(GORDON @ Feb. 15 2013,12:26) QUOTE Also, regarding Scooty's breaking his arm patting himself on the back, last night: I had assumed he was just being funny. If an enemy said something good about me, I would have done the same thing. Scooty became a terror late game, but I don't think that counts as carrying the team. I assumed he knew that.... Thank you! Really meant no harm what so ever =] Posted by Stranger on Feb. 15 2013,13:06
Alright guys, i don't mean to change the subject but we can discuss the Theo thing when we get in comms later. But i had an idea that i think could work for our team, i know its not totally original and it has been done before and i've even seen some higher level people do it. And since we are kind of unconventional team when it comes to team comp i think this could work. Now just hear me out first and make your decisions afterwards.I think we should try to run a double jungle comp! i know! i'm crazy right?! But think about it, Since we have an overrun of top lane champs why don't we just accomodate it. Put Scooty top, Leisher mid and Gordo Bot with Singed and me and Cake in the jungle. One of us starts red the other blue, from there we proceed to cover the map counter jungling and ganking like crazy. One jungler would be the assasin damage dealer (Noc) and the other would be tanky support (Naut). Yes we would lose out on the traditional ADC but if mid top and one jungler build for damage we should be able to do enough damage in team fights. Bot lane will be in a 2v1 position so they will have to be able to farm under their turret and play safe, but with 2 junglers we could come in at them when they are least expecting it. I have a couple reasons why i think this will work 1. It totally throws off the other team from the get go. We have had problems with our early game and maybe this could be something that could get us off to the good starts we are looking for. Cause i feel we rarely lose when we get an early lead. problem is, we usually get put in a hole from the start. 2. Great map coverage. The ability to react to a losing lane quicker and set up rather nasty 2 man ganks early. 3. Ability to shut down the other jungler making him ineffective. Cause we all know how bad your game goes when you get fucked from the get as a jungler. Its a tough hole to dig out of. 4. It works to our team stregths. We have a good Teemo that can deal plenty of damage, we have a good Singed that now can fit in our team comp with Scooty playing top. And me and Cake have plenty of jungle experience and i think could work together well setting up ganks and countering. 5. Sure bot lane is at a disadvantage but he will be getting more xp than their counterparts, but its no different than when another team has no jungle and its 2v1 top. You just gotta play cautiously and farm under the turret. 6. Fuck the meta! i know that i have been the biggest proponet of it cause i watch so many streams and sometimes i think that it the only thing that works. But those guys are high ELO and prolly could counter a team that tried something like that on them. We on the other hand are low ELO and i don't think most teams have the ability to react to a curveball being thrown at them. This is something that was on my mind when i woke up today and i just kept thinking about it. I think that it fits our team a little better. Specially since we are trying to put people in positions that they aren't the best at. I think this puts all of us in a position to be successful and noone can be upset about what lane they are in. I don't know, maybe you guys might think its nuts and would never work, but i think it might be something that could work. What do you think? Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 15 2013,13:32
Theo's burping/singing isn't a cause of his poor play, it's a sign that he's gotten way more comfortable with us and doesn't mind sucking in games now.As far as team comp: We are not a pro team that is available as a team 24/7. Sometimes, our ONE support person is doing something else one night. Sometimes our ONE primary adc is playing poker. Etc. We have to cross train. I see no way around this. We can have a primary role so when we have a whole team present, we know where we are playing. I have no issues with that. Gordon: He's not really being kicked out of top. He's being forced to cross train. But I get strong vibes of resistance from him. Pretty much every night he's not Singed top, he's really pissed off about something going wrong. Again, this is my perception and I could be wrong. More evidence is when after three games as GP in jungle, he wants to be done because he's tired of playing GP jungle. He wants to Singed top like he has a brazillion times already. Tired of playing a champ after three games, but wants to play a champ he's played 100's of consecutive games as. I interpret that as "I don't want to play GP, I just want to play Singed". Again, I could be wrong. He's a one trick pony. He has no other champ that he can play as well as he plays Singed. I wish he had more "mains". Having been spoiled by Theo and Scooty playing champs that can bring some pain from top lane, I'd love to see you do the same. It's rare that Singed has a solid k/d ratio. It's normally just, meh. Last nightss last game, top, mid and adc all had twice as many kills (at least) than deaths. Made it a very easy win for us. I don't play Singed, etc. But I've seen a lot of Singeds bring a lot of pain. Don't know if it's a difference in builds/runes/play style/etc. Can you enlighten me? Not judging. Not saying you suck. I'm asking, because I don't know. Leisher: Needs more cowbell. And more ADC choices. I was disappointed seeing EZ last night. I'd rather you do a 25 game challenge as Varus. Yes, I pushed you into mid as part of my cross training initiative. Now I'm shifting gears again. :-) I guess I never really knew how weak we were in our ADC depth. I counted on me being able to play Graves as a second ADC option. But, when I'm already locked in as Noc and the enemy takes EZ. . . well, lesson learned. I'm asking that you get back into your primary role and expand your ADC champ selection. Scooty: Your dedication to top is something we've NEVER seen from you before. I'd still like to see a more consistent champ choice (25 game challenge) because I still don't know how to play with you. Case in point, the TT game we played. You were Malph. A common top lane champ. But I was afraid to engage in fights because I never fight with Malph. I don't know what he does, when, how it affects the enemies, how it affects me, etc. I learn this through repetition in games. Not by reading a champ description on a website. Plus, just because he has 'Ability A' that does 'this', doesn't mean I know how it's going to be used in our game, how it really affects enemies, etc, etc, etc. A perfect example would be thresh's lantern. We all know what it does. But it's going to be many many many games of seeing it and using it for us to really take advantage of it. That comes with repetition. So many games you are fighting the enemies saying "Come on people, I'm initiating you need to take advantage of this." But, we have no feel for your initiations. We have no feel for your survivability. So, what might actually be an awesomely effective initiation, is interpreted as you diving 5 enemies and we need to pull back because it's about to be a 4v5 fight for us. We won't know till we've seen it and learn it. Hell, I PLAY Amumu and didn't realize the amount of damage I'm capable of. On TT, I always played tanky. The other night, I went pure damage, and was melting them. So, I'm still learning my own champs in various situations. It's going to take more than reading some paragraphs and playing 3 games with you to know yours. Also, switch lanes. . . We have three tops. Since I'm cross training support now, Jungle and mid would be open. I'd suggest Mid to stay with your 'replace Theo' theme. Also, Leisher and Stranger are both competent junglers. Stranger: Sharpen your 'whatever' skills. What role do you want to cross train? Theo: Play better. We know you can. Do it. Yes, we play the game for fun. But it's more fun to play a good solid game and win than to play a 'who cares if I feed I'm just fucking around' game and lose. Go back to the first two weeks version of Theo. I'm not going to scold him for burping/singing (Although both of those things annoy me to no end no matter who does it). I'm going to let him know that if he wants to keep being invited, he's got to play better. If we wanted to lose games playing with someone who doesn't care, we play with randoms. We are trying to build a team. Act/play like it. Me: I'm spreading my skills too thin. . . I care too much. . . . Seriously though, I feel like if I want a good solid second option for support, I have to do it myself. No one else takes it seriously enough. And that's fine. I have NO problem playing support. I want to win games and I train many long hours to get better so that we can. But, I haven't played mid in so long that I'm betting I'm rusty. Not a huge issue if Scooty or Theo step up and do a good job there. We won't miss me there. I need to call targets more often. I get out of 'leadership' mode too easily and just play. Then we don't focus the same targets, etc. I'll let you guys fill in the rest of this. What are my weaknesses and where should I improve? My version of team/roles: Leisher - ADC, Mid Gordon - Top, Jungle Stranger - Support, Jungle Theo - Top, Mid Scooty - Top, Jungle Cake - Jungle, Support Having typed that, we have no solid back up for ADC. Who's a good candidate for that? Perhaps Stranger should secondary ADC instead of Jungle? I picked jungle, because he has a ton of experience there. But, supports make the best ADCs, no? I've been cross training ADC as Graves, but, that's my only champ. I could go Ashe, but, it would suck. Never had time to train up a second one. So, really, we are only slightly less weak in ADC as we are support. Lets use this as a base to build from. If everyone agrees with what I typed, then we start fixing this tonight. Cross train, new champs, etc. Ya, we are going to lose games. I don't care. We aren't going to stop losing games until we do this. The only other option is to never play ranked, never play secondary champs. Just play the same team comp/champs over and over until we hate the game. . . Or something. But, I want to play ranked, as do some other people. I think this is the road to get there. :-) Add your comments/opinions (no matter how wrong they are. You won't be laughed at) and we'll modify this. But we've talked for many many months about going ranked, but can't because we haven't trained for it. We just keep playing 'fun' games to 'shake off the rust' or because 'we need a win'. I don't see losses. I see learning opportunities. We are either doing this, or we aren't. If we aren't, so be it. We can stop talking about it and just do whatever. But if we are, then, see above. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 15 2013,13:34
QUOTE Now just hear me out first and make your decisions afterwards. No. This is all I've read so far, and I say no. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 15 2013,13:53
Ok, after actually reading it. . . I would be game for it, but it just nullified that entire wall of text I took the time to write. . . .My problems with Singed: He's a second support champ on our team. The best things I see from Singed and the most help he is to the team is when he flips an enemy away from an ally that is about to die and uses his glue to slow an enemy that is about to kill an ally. Beyond that, it's rare that he flips a vulnerable target that we can then pounce on. More often than not, it's just who ever is closest. And that's rarely who we want flipped. He doesn't do that much damage. If the enemy team is disciplined and ignores Singed, then he's running around poisoning people to little effect. Meanwhile, they passed by singed and are chewing up our squishies. If his poison did more damage, they would be far more hesitant to wade into it to attack our team. I never see Singed shining. Yes, you hold your lane. You hold it well. But you never own it. You often are the first to score a turret, but it normally costs you 2-5 deaths in the process. I'd rather their turret still be there and them not have those kills. Not feeding should be primary. Killing enemies/turrets should be secondary. I would happily trade my turret for 3-5 kills. Wu Kong top going 15/7/12 is greater than Singed going 5/7/19, in my opinion. You play a very passive Singed that the enemy often ignores. And I don't mean that as harsh criticism, because you also support the team like a pro. You have saved MANY of us with your flips and glue. And you've helped secure many kills. But you are never a terror Singed that the enemies fear. At least from my stand point. I could be wrong. Dual jungle thing: It does sound fun and would be an awesome change of pace. However, I see our junglers falling way behind in gold/levels. We clear our jungle in the first 90 seconds of the game starting. Then we head over to theirs. Probably catching theirs and first blooding. Pulling them out of their lanes to counter, etc. But their jungle is going to supply minimal gold/xp for us. We are spending a lot of time running around looking for ganks, while being out farmed and leveled. So, if we can figure out a way to keep from falling behind, this would be funny and fun. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 15 2013,13:55
Oh, and I think I said this already, but I don't remember. Gordon/Singed wasn't kicked out of top. Theo requested top, and you let him borrow it in the name of being nice and to cross train. Then Scooty wanted to replace Theo on the team and trained what Theo had been playing, which was top. Thus, too many tops.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 15 2013,14:38
QUOTE I know I frequently say that everybody sucks but me, but that is because I honestly believe that to be true. HOWEVER. I also know that I am insane, so I don't commit to that philosophy too hard. That made me laugh. Stranger's proposal is interesting, but you'd almost need the second jungler to be support, with the primary being the ADC. If they didn't get kills when ganking, they're going to be VERY behind. It's interesting, but everybody would need to be on board, and it's going to take a while to get down. The potential flaws are massive though. Any enemy team that responds well or is built to farm from their turret is going to do well against us. QUOTE Leisher: Needs more cowbell. And more ADC choices. I was disappointed seeing EZ last night. I'd rather you do a 25 game challenge as Varus. Yes, I pushed you into mid as part of my cross training initiative. Now I'm shifting gears again. :-) I guess I never really knew how weak we were in our ADC depth. I counted on me being able to play Graves as a second ADC option. But, when I'm already locked in as Noc and the enemy takes EZ. . . well, lesson learned. I'm asking that you get back into your primary role and expand your ADC champ selection. You should have mentioned it last night. I was going purely on instinct. Never thought about it until this morning, when I thought to myself, "Why didn't I play Varus or MF last night?" My intention was to do so, but I just forgot. So remind me if you see Ez. Also, fun fact, the two most selected AD champs at the last big LoL event... Ezreal and MF. Corki and Graves were selected exactly zero and one time. The meta, she is a changin'. QUOTE Stranger: Sharpen your 'whatever' skills. What role do you want to cross train? I think Stranger has always been solid in the jungle, and his support is top notch. QUOTE Theo: Play better. We know you can. Do it. Yes, we play the game for fun. But it's more fun to play a good solid game and win than to play a 'who cares if I feed I'm just fucking around' game and lose. Go back to the first two weeks version of Theo. I'm not going to scold him for burping/singing (Although both of those things annoy me to no end no matter who does it). I'm going to let him know that if he wants to keep being invited, he's got to play better. If we wanted to lose games playing with someone who doesn't care, we play with randoms. We are trying to build a team. Act/play like it. Good, let him know. As for burping, and we'll include farting, I'm a guy. Guys occasionally have moments where they make disgusting noises. I apologize in advance, and try to move my mic if a burp is coming. If that previous sentence isn't good enough for you, it's your problem. ![]() QUOTE Scooty: Mid as his secondary would be perfect. QUOTE Me: I always put you as jungle/mid, although you've been playing a solid support nidalee. You are our best jungler, but your mid wasn't at that level. You didn't suck, but I think your worst games have occurred in mid. (Not that they all sucked.) QUOTE Gordon: My stance, and Gordo knows this, is that I think his TT Singed is spot on, but his SR Singed is not doing enough damage. I don't know if it's due to runes or maybe he needs to add a Rabadon's Deathcap into his build...not sure. And let me add that since he's been our tank for so long, I don't really blame him for having the build that he does. I just want him to switch things up and see what happens. I have a feeling that the reduction in health/armor will be offset by the fact that nobody will be able to go near him. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 15 2013,15:12
Mid is a VERY hard lane to master, in my opinion. The champs there are so bursty and diverse that it's hard to keep up. Lots and lots of games is the only answer. My best games come after many many refresher games. Luckily for you guys, most of those are in solo queue instead of with you so it doesn't drag you all down. :-)
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 15 2013,15:37
I typically quit at midnight not because of RAGE, but because 6 days a week I am up at 6:30, and I get fucking tired. This is also why I don't like starting past 10.I typically get extra tired after 2 games in the jungle because I am not yet comfortable with it, and because of that I have to focus hard, and it gets exhausting after 2 50 minute games. It would be very nice to break my constant tension with a character I am comfortable with every few games. AND........... I get irritated after a game in the jungle when I do well, and then someone else doesn't. It's a lot harder to play a good jungler than a good top, in my opinion, so I feel like if I am rocking the jungle, then other people should be rocking their lanes. Unfair, of course. But that's part of that constant tension I just mentioned, because I am not comfortable yet. SO I'll play your jungler, and ya'll'll just have to deal with me acting like a little bitch about it. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 15 2013,15:49
Oh, as far as your next jungle choice. Shyvanna may have owned you the other night, but, it wasn't because she was Shyvanna. It was because she was in your jungle. Shaco. Shaco is the master of counter jungling. He sets up boxes and just waits for you. Very little you can do once you run into him. But he's probably harder to learn than Shy. Not to mention his stealth ganks, multiple shaco copy guy, etc. Shyvanna might be a good second jungler in the proposed dual jungle thing. Or do Shy if you think she looks fun. I'm just sayin' to pick a jungler you think looks fun. Not the one that just kicked your ass because she kicked your ass. You are new at jungle and can be easily countered right now. Hell, I've got a ton of experience and still get countered. It's how you counter as apposed to who you are countering with. I was suggesting Shaco because he was one of the champs I was considering adding to my list.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 15 2013,15:49
Regarding Stranger's meta-breaking dual jungler scheme:I sorta like it. I think the weaknesses of that setup will be offset by the confusion the other teams are thrown into... and since we typically only ever play any group of people once, it isn't like they will get wise to us and counter us, next game. The biggest problem I see is with the guy, or guys, in the enemy jungle. As soon as the enemy team responds well, one or both of our junglers are dead. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 15 2013,15:52
(Cakedaddy @ Feb. 15 2013,18:49) QUOTE Oh, as far as your next jungle choice. Shyvanna may have owned you the other night, but, it wasn't because she was Shyvanna. It was because she was in your jungle. Shaco. Shaco is the master of counter jungling. He sets up boxes and just waits for you. Very little you can do once you run into him. But he's probably harder to learn than Shy. Not to mention his stealth ganks, multiple shaco copy guy, etc. Shyvanna might be a good second jungler in the proposed dual jungle thing. Or do Shy if you think she looks fun. I'm just sayin' to pick a jungler you think looks fun. Not the one that just kicked your ass because she kicked your ass. You are new at jungle and can be easily countered right now. Hell, I've got a ton of experience and still get countered. It's how you counter as apposed to who you are countering with. I was suggesting Shaco because he was one of the champs I was considering adding to my list. I thought about that, and it was my FEELING that GP was weak early and strong late, and Syvana was strong early and weaker late. This is why Shyvanna vs. GP at level 3 was strongly in Shyvana's favor. And, since jungling is most important early game, a strong-early-jungler is the best to use to be counter jungling. Am I wrong with any of that? Again, just my feel for things. I could be wrong. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 15 2013,15:59
Fuck it, just unlocked Shaco.We will see. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 15 2013,16:23
Their counter can be countered with wards.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 15 2013,16:24
NOOO! You were right. You should have done Shyvanna. No question. ;-)
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 15 2013,16:53
I do NOT recommend Shaco. He's very hard to play, and he's been nerfed to death. It's why we don't see him much anymore.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 15 2013,17:12
Shaco.. possibly the hardest to master champ in the league. You can't be any worse than that one guy, Best Shaco NA. He was baaaad!
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 15 2013,17:20
< http://www.twitch.tv/riotgames >The LCS being aired weekly now. here is live feed, pretty good stuff. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 16 2013,11:13
Will not be on tonight til about midnight.There's an open bar in my near future. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 16 2013,18:51
Ten thirty eleven
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 16 2013,19:45
![]() Posted by GORDON on Feb. 16 2013,19:53
cute
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 17 2013,19:15
I think I will wait 5 more minutes, then I will be done waiting. I will not be next to my phone.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 17 2013,19:23
I had tomorrow morning off and was looking forward to late night gaming. This sucks.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 17 2013,20:25
Walking Dead night.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 17 2013,21:19
Walking Dead and since the kiddies don't have school tomorrow, it was like another weekend night. That means they get to stay up later.
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 18 2013,13:17
I'll be on and ready to go tonight.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 18 2013,19:29
FYI, I've got 5:00am and earlier start times for work for a while. If we are going to play, it MUST be earlier that >10pm. Rather, If I am going to play. . .
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 19 2013,10:18
I will be on between 9-9:30 tonight, and late tomorrow night (11ish). Thursday should be 9:30-10.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 19 2013,10:44
If Malcolm played LoL:![]() Posted by Stranger on Feb. 19 2013,13:13
< http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs....-strong >Funny, i was just telling Leisher the other day about how good i thought this item was for AP builds and low and behold this article comes out. So any champ that does damage over time (Teemo) or has a built in slow (Singed) and is building AP this should be in your build. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 19 2013,13:22
I stressed that sooooo many times to Randy, and its actually one of the first items I build on all of my AP champs. Its an absolute must, and on the MRN boards I posted that I thought it'll be due for a nurfing real soon. Its extremely powerful. . .
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 19 2013,13:33
< http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs....to-rush >Read this article also.. i'm not sure that Liandry's is the ideal rush item. This article seems to suggest rushing either Rabadon's, Lich Bane or Deathfire Grasp as a first depending on the champ you are running. But either way I think Liandry's should be in most AP builds as of right now. As for nerfs... i'm sure they will come, they always do. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 19 2013,13:39
It's been in my Teemo build list since the day it appeared. (It helps that it was in Teemo's recommended items...)
Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 19 2013,15:54
I was going to point out that they were comparing L to V, not L to all AP items. It's not a must have for all AP champs, nor should it be built first. I've never had a problem with you using it, or saying it was dumb. I just picked other items for my champs. I'm not going to skip the Rab for the LT. LT is comparable to the Void Staff. Both late build items. Just like Lichbane ROCKS on Ziggs and Veigar, but might not be as good for Teemo because Teemo doesn't build his AP >500 (That I've noticed). When Ziggs/Veigar have 650+ basic attacks along with their burst. . . screw LT, in my opinion.And for the record, I rush my Rab on my AP champs. Even Nid (giving support items priority). I've ALWAYS said, you have to build damage early to guarantee those last hits. Finishing your boots (or buying them at all) during laning is a waste. You shouldn't be chasing at that point any way. Just last hitting. I hate that Scooty builds second tier boots before finishing his damage items. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 19 2013,16:03
I spoke out of order there. Don't get the LT first, rush the haunting guise or whatever it is that builds INTO the LT. Then rush the rabadons, and come back to finish the LT later. Thats what I do on all my AP champs, but my point was that eventually It should make it into your AP builds, cause its devastating. And I only get the Tier 2 boots when they're needed. I don't get boots of swiftness like you do, because i find them to be a waste. Usually always go ninja tabi for my bruisers, and the boots that give magic pen, as those stats help out a lot especially early game. If i'm not catching people with my bruisers (Which is a big must seeing as i need to catch them in order to stun and damage them), i'll grab the tier 2 boots. Theo is the one you're talking about, who buys the Homeguard boots right off the bat. Not me. They're purely situational, and almost always the last thing i'll buy. Jax Irelia are the only ones I'll buy tier 2 boots for early, cause they're the ones with the stuns. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 19 2013,16:48
Also. If we get first pick in ranked, we need to make sure we DON"T ban malphite or Shen. Let the enemy do it, cause if they don't i can bring them to the game for an edge. Only if we get first pick though.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 20 2013,06:14
First game last night:Perfectly coordinated rout where everyone was talking so much that comms were never silent. It felt like we were everywhere. Second game: Basically, the exact opposite. So what happened? Why did things go so differently? I heard Stranger complain about how the junglers were starting, and a suggestion that one go red and then other blue. Is that something to think about? I got rocked in mid by Katarina, who is a terrible matchup for Teemo, and something we need to watch for in the future. I can hold off anyone if I can use my minions as cover, but if it's a champ that can flash over them at will, or their shots ignore the minions, I'll have a much more difficult time. I'm out tonight, as are a few other folks, I believe, but perhaps we continue polishing this two jungler thing Thursday, and then head into ranked Friday/Saturday with it? We're bound to catch some teams completely unready for it. We simply got beat by a team who was responding really, really well, and had their Kat get fed. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 20 2013,06:30
By the way, we were talking about bans, and I think banning tanks is sort of dumb. When's the last time we lost a game because of Blitz? We've laned enough at this point that we know to hide behind minions. I realize Malph might get tough, but he's still just a tank. Ignore him. I think our bans should focus on two things: -OP champs -Champs who give us problems/work against our dual jungle routine So, for example, we'd ban Katarina, who is considered by the community to be one of the most OP champs at the moment. (Yes, I know Scooty is practicing with her, but if the other team gets her, mid is screwed unless we adjust, which should work unless they don't have a jungler.) She'd be a good ban because she is not only a match up problem, but she's also currently OP. Who gives us problems? Who is OP? -Darius - He isn't as much of a threat as he used to be, but his kit is still OP. Riot admitted it, so arguing that point is foolish. It's why they're reworking his kit. No champ should be a tank, do ADC damage, Teemo's poison, Garen ult, and have it instantly refresh. However, is he a good ban? I wouldn't waste one on him. We could always throw Singed mid and Teemo top if a Darius shows up. -Katarina - I explained some about her earlier, and I personally don't like that she has a refreshing ult. -Anivia - Not a lot of people play this champ, and I'm not sure why. He's one that interests me after getting rocking by him. Double damage abilities? An aoe ult with a 6 second cooldown? A great escape/close/support mechanic? Free slows? And a passive that allows him free guardian angel armor? We've had trouble with this champ... -Zyra - As a mid, I don't think Zyra stands out as OP, but as a support, she is completely OP, and can zone a team out of farm. I know if I was in the ADC role that game, I'd lobby strongly for her to be banned. -Malph - Is he a good ban? He is a bitch to kill once he gets going, and is one of the best initiators in the game. -Amumu - Not sure how much of a problem he is since you can now attack him during his ult, but prior to that we got owned by Amumu's because we'd all group up for his ults... Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 20 2013,08:01
Malph isn't a win button for us. Neither is Shen. None of us are experts at them, and none of us are experts at playing along side of them. I would MUCH rather have a champ that you, and the rest of the team knows really well instead of Malph. Those champs are always banned because there is little, to no, counter to them.I'd be game for trying to ban other champs and let Malph, Amumu, etc in the games. But in ranked, there's a high probability that there will be someone that knows how to use them. And that will hurt us. Scooty will argue that WE need to train them then so we can use them in the 2% of games where they aren't banned. But I'll counter with, I'd rather train/play with champs we know we can get. Become experts at those champs, THEN add the more obscure champs to our list. We get better through repetition. And you can't repeatedly play banned champs. Double jungle. . . First game was really good. Lots of comms, good decisions and strong/fast/hard responses by our team. Second game, we were spread out, not responding well and somewhat less chatty in chat. First game: Junglers stuck together. Every one of our ganks was a 3 v X fight. When someone was in trouble or getting ganked, we had a two man response team running around. Stranger said he was behind in farm, and I think we can perfect our farming to correct that. We had safety and power in our numbers and our ability to respond to situations. Second game: Junglers split up. I felt very weak and vulnerable the whole game. Counter jungling was risky because I'm alone, behind in levels/farm and in enemy territory. When I tried to counter, they'd get me everything. So I was left sharing the farm of our jungle and fell even further behind. I couldn't/didn't respond to all situations because I was too weak to participate. When I did, I would die as I was low level, etc. The enemy team was way better at responding to things than the first team was, but, I felt vulnerable the entire second game. The first game, I was way more confident as I knew we always either had the greater show of force, or could at least match theirs. I did not like splitting up at all. Our ability to hit and run was completely eliminated. We never had a strong gank anywhere because the junglers were countering each other, more or less. I would take damage from the spawns causing me to go back more often and burn more heal potions. And because I was taking more damage, I couldn't gank as often. I was always too weak. The first game was all about hitting early, hitting hard and hitting often. The second game was all about farming, leveling and getting stronger individually. It made us all more vulnerable and fail miserably. My proposal is to group up as junglers again. Give our blue to the first jungler and their red to the second. This puts us both at level two when the gank attempt is made on their jungler. Perhaps Naut should take more of a support build/role? Turns Noc into a supported carry that's not in bottom lane. That first game, I was getting good farm, but it was more in the form of enemy kills/assists than actual farm. So, grouping up is my choice. That being said, I'm happy to give splitting up another chance. I know better than to ditch an entire strategy based on failing in its first attempt. So, I'm game for either way. But I'd like more of a game plan than "split up", because I don't see a way to avoid being weak, behind and ineffective in early game ganks because of this. Also, the second game we were forced into team fighting because the enemy was snowballing getting a shit ton of kills on us. To stop their pushes, we had to group up. This knocked us completely out of our strategy and into theirs. Yes, we had a lot of lanes pushed and did some serious damage, but we were just hanging in there, while they were becoming exponentially stronger. Then they easily stepped on us and won. Sure, we were an ace and a push away from victory. But they would have had to do some really dumb things for it to play out that way. In which case, we wouldn't have won that game, they would have lost it. Going ranked. We still have the issue of a single champ banning (singed) throwing us off. Yes, Gordon has trained other champs, but he HATES playing them and just gets angry when he's not Singed. If Singed gets banned/taken, who does he play? And are we ready for a ranked game when he is this other champ? Solution, we pick Singed first. Problem, in ranked, people know how to easily counter Singed and will. So every game we play, we know our top is countered. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Gordon does not want to play ranked. He is comfortable playing Singed at top. He's happy there and is not interested in changing. He will, for the good of the team and to be a team player. But when all things are equal, he wants to play Singed. But is willing to suffer through a few games as other champs/lanes if his team wants him to. And he thinks ranked is over rated. It is just more difficult to secure a win and brings unwanted stress to a game which is supposed to be fun to play, not frustratingly hard. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 20 2013,08:25
When Stranger first mentioned this idea, I pointed out that one of the two should be support. So giving Naut some additional support runes or whatever for gold isn't a bad idea. Particularly if Stranger uses him mainly to slow down enemies so Noc can cut them down. I also prefer that you guys travel together. It's safer for you two, and more importantly is forcing the jungler to call for help and whomever leaves their lane to help is now losing CS. I think this is a great strategy, but is this it? Are we no longer going to play/practice the meta? At some point, I'll need to bring someone other than Teemo to the show. We also need to plan and learn what to do when the enemy team properly counters this strategy. Do we abandon it for more of a laning approach? Posted by Leisher on Feb. 20 2013,09:49
Here's the changes to Darius' ult (on the PBE, so these could change):-Instead of resetting if it kills an opponent, Noxian Guillotine ® is now able to be recast for 12 seconds after killing an opponent. -Noxian Guillotine ® cooldown increased to 120/100/80 from 100/90/80. Also on the PBE: -Blade of the Ruined King is getting nerfed. -Mater Yi's Alpha Strike no longer has an AD ratio Posted by Trooper on Feb. 20 2013,11:27
We can't ban Kat, I play her very well. If shes in the game, shes going mid, so in that instance, i'll switch with Teemo and handle mid because really all you have to do is play passive to keep her from hurting you. Her ult does not instantly refresh either, If she kills an enemy her cooldown's for all abilities are decreased by 15. So she still has to wait a bit to pop her ult again. Malphite does damage, if you read his kit, his abilities gain a damage bonus based on the amount of armor he has. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 20 2013,11:57
QUOTE We can't ban Kat, I play her very well. No offense, but you say you play a lot of champs well, and it's not always the case. True for us all. ![]() QUOTE If shes in the game, shes going mid, so in that instance, i'll switch with Teemo and handle mid For those reading along at home, he means when she's on the enemy team and we're in blind (Kat on each team). Here's the thing, we don't ban in normals. So the point is moot. So if we don't ban her in ranked, and the enemy gets her that forces me into another lane and forces you to pick someone else. So who would you pick to mid against her at that point? QUOTE because really all you have to do is play passive to keep her from hurting you. That's BS. Sorry, but that is used to define ANY champ in the game if they give you trouble. It's as logical as the line in Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels: "Would everyone please stop getting shot!" We have to stop ignoring the fact that there are mismatches in the game. We always talk about swapping builds to match the situation, we need to do the same for lanes. If you're one of the squishiest champs in the game, and you're solo laning against one of the burstiest and she just happens to have an ability that acts as a flash, you're fucked. If I'm stuck under my turret, she's harassing me, I'm missing farm, and my turret is going down. If I'm just out of turret range, she's flashing to me, bursting, forcing me to heal, etc. Granted some skill will go into that equation, but generally speaking we need to be more conscious of mismatches and adjust. Even if we didn't change lanes, early and often ganks might have helped keep her under control. Once I got a farm lead on her, it'd be a different story, but for that game, our junglers weren't doing well, so we were in a bad situation. Had we gone into that match with you and I immediately switching, it might have worked out a bit better. No guarantees though. QUOTE Her ult does not instantly refresh either, If she kills an enemy her cooldown's for all abilities are decreased by 15. So she still has to wait a bit to pop her ult again. It was said in comm last night that it did. Even if it doesn't, the cooldown rate is fucking stupid for someone so bursty. This was discussed as she killed me and Stranger under our turret with it, ran into her jungle and got into a fight with Noc and used it again. Total elapsed time was under a minute. That's why the question was asked in the first place. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 20 2013,12:13
I would say that in my life I have played about 10 ranked games, and have lost 8 of them. We don't have a good enough team even after 2 years to carry a weak member, and we will never have one (since it has been 2 years and we've never gotten there). So what's the point?And again, for like the 5th time, I don't mind going jungle. Just not every game. I like to break things up with a comfortable character to relieve the stress from trying to play a weak one. +++++ Junglers split up, is that what happened 2nd game? I had assumed their lack of a jungler had you all screwed up, and I thought that was fine since it was only like 1 game in 10 where we fought a team with no jungler. I specifically said not to split up. I said to travel together, split the kills, and kill spawns twice as fast. I am very angry that my instructions were ignored, and someone might get fired over this. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 20 2013,13:00
Just out of curiosity, who is the weak player we have to carry? And be honest! I obviously am. . . so don't hold back. Don't be MEAN about it, but let the group know what you think, please.
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 20 2013,17:14
If Kat is taken from me, then I'll go irelia mid. Problem solved. I mean, I played against a poppy and a GP in bot lane, never lost my turret, blew theirs up quickly, and got a LOAD of kills that game with no problems what so ever as Kat. And how did I manage that? I played PASSIVE! Just because you can't harass the hell out of the enemy and take ALL the farm, doesn't mean you're now deemed worthless. It just means you have to wait until late game to gain any kind of power.I miss spoke about her ult in comms. I answered your question quickly because I didn't wanna jabber on about it in the middle of the game, and just forgot to bring it back up afterwards. So my bad on that one. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 20 2013,17:15
Also, I'll be on and ready to play tonight. I know Tim said hes out tonight, anybody else getting on though?Should be ready to go around 9:40, working until 9. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 20 2013,18:31
(Cakedaddy @ Feb. 20 2013,16:00) QUOTE Just out of curiosity, who is the weak player we have to carry? And be honest! I obviously am. . . so don't hold back. Don't be MEAN about it, but let the group know what you think, please. I was obviously talking about myself. People keep saying how I fall apart if I don't get Singed. That isn't my impression, but that must be the consensus. My 20% success rate in ranked just reinforces it. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 20 2013,23:37
![]() Now that's what I like to see ;D Had an awesome night of gaming tonight starting with the Renekton game. So in other words. . . I'm ready to rock some bottom lane OP'ness tomorrow night! heheh So with that I believe I've fortified my point in saying. . . Don't ban Malphite or Shen, because I'm very good with both of them as you can see. I won every single game I played as both of them heheh. I'll be going back to my normal practice routine with less OP champions now, oh and all of those games were in solo lane. All 10 of them. Its all I've played for weeks now. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 21 2013,05:30
Solo queue is not a good measure of one's abilities. Had those been ranked games, they would carry more weight. Although what you show is good, it's not convincing evidence.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 21 2013,11:28
Riot employee CertainlyT talking about nerfs to certain champs (like AP Yi and AP Trynd):QUOTE Players have no inherent right in this game to playstyles that do not meaningfully engage their opponent in a way that can be responded to. Nice to see Riot take that stance. ![]() Posted by Stranger on Feb. 21 2013,11:45
< http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs....carries >Interesting article on the early game AD builds. I know we have had many discussions on what our prefrences are. The big thing i take away from this is. Build AD early and attack speed late. Not sure what runes you guys were using for ADC but i was pretty sure at one time someone was running all attack speed runes, prolly not the best idea. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 21 2013,12:38
So I should be able to be on tonight.
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 21 2013,13:23
I'll be on tonight aswell. And the all Attack speed was me, changed it though. It helped, but I'm using a different page now that I like a bit better. I know a lot of others were doing the all attack speed thing too a long while back, thats where I got the idea from.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 21 2013,13:44
im in for tonight also.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 21 2013,13:46
i don't like this page. Leisher screwed it all up by putting a gigantic pic of the littlest dude in the league up..
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 21 2013,16:29
(Stranger @ Feb. 21 2013,16:46) QUOTE i don't like this page. Leisher screwed it all up by putting a gigantic pic of the littlest dude in the league up.. Tough shit. The world needs more monuments to Teemo. As for AS, you read too much into the guy's conclusions. He was mostly talking items. I still use all AS runes, but only on Teemo. I changed my ADCs simply for farming, as damage is obviously more valuable than AS early game. However, mid-late game 19 or so damage doesn't even enter the same realm as 38% AS. It's missed, but not that much if I can get the farm. Anyway, to suggest AS should always be last is a bit wrong. As an example: Two ADCs face off, one has IE, the other a BT and Bersearker Greaves, oh and he also has all AS runes. Guess who wins. I know because I've been on both sides of that fight. Guy number 2 is hitting twice as fast and has heal. It's no contest. I can give you more examples, but I'm typing on an iPad in a theater (play practice), and it sucks to type on. There are too many variables and situations to declare one way is always better than another. That's what is great about this game, you can build to fit your needs, strategy, strength, etc. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 21 2013,16:30
P.S. I'll be on but it might be closer to 10. Kids...
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 21 2013,17:03
BAM resized.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 21 2013,18:42
If you are an expert at last hitting minions, you don't need AD runes. But if you aren't, you need it. Yes, late game, blah blah blah. But when you can't get the CS early game, you opponent is beating you to IE, etc, etc and then you are in trouble and your early attack speed doesn't matter.So, as long as your CS doesn't suffer from AS runes, then it's all cool. Posted by Stranger on Feb. 22 2013,05:46
i finally got to check out League Replay lastnight. I'm a little dissapointed that the fog of war isn't lifted and you can't fastforward, rewind or slowdown any of the action. It's hard to see whats really going on if you can't do any of that stuff. I hope that Riot can get their official replay system going cause that would be nice. But it is cool none-the-less. By the way, very good work on coming back that last game. I can't remember one time where we decided to just go push middle and get into a big ole team fight. They had a good team that woulda destroyed us in a teamfight. We played our game of hit and run and controlled all parts of the map. Eventhough they prolly coulda ended it when we got aced in the lategame, we took advantage of them when they didn't . And so far my count on the double jungle record is 4-1. Not bad. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 22 2013,06:15
I agree, the double jungle is going unusually well. Even when I and we fed like motherfuckers last night.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 22 2013,07:03
Make sure you have the latest version of replay. It works fine for me. No fog of war, ff, rw, pause, speed control, etc. Just like it was before that patch that broke it.They had their tri-bush warded. That's how they knew we were there. Watching Ramus, we had time to kill his red before he got there. As we started his red, he was finishing up his wolves. Then everyone beelined to their red to gank us. We can avoid this in the future by taking a path that avoids their tri-bush. Scooty was getting frustrated about stuff last night and was on the verge of causing issues. . . Keep that in check. Don't get mad at us because we don't know that Ren can tank a ton of damage and dish it out too. We've seen him in what, 3 games? 2? We don't know him yet. You telling us he can still doesn't give us a feel for what he can do. We take it one way and over estimate you and charge in when you intend to retreat. When we see him enough, we'll understand better when to run and when to join you. And making comments like "I didn't know Rammus was a squishy" doesn't help. Comments like "Yep, you're going to wait for me to die before joining" don't help either. Call a target, or fall back if one is not called. I didn't go in because I would have been facing two VERY bursty champs with 75% health. It was a 2 v 2 at that moment with them able to do far more damage than I/we could at that moment. It was incorrect to engage. It was also incorrect for Stranger to keep jungling instead of joining the fight. But I recognized that, and held back. You needed to as well. Count on your team for support, but be more aware of when it's not coming. Yes, the whole fight could have been handled differently by all parties involved. And pointing out mistakes at the moment is 100% acceptable. But constructive is better than snarky. You called me out for letting you die, as if I MADE you engage them right then, in a very combative and snarky way. I pointed out Strangers mistake in a much more constructive way (in my opinion). And I shouldn't have engaged at all either. But when I have someone getting snarky and pissing me off, I make bad calls too. So, in summary, point out when the wrong target is being focused, call out when someone is jungling too much, etc. But do it in a non-combative, constructive tone. Other than that, Scooty is doing well against bottom lane in most of the games. I feed good about him being in that position. Ranked: Leisher needs to learn a new mid champ? Gordon needs a secondary top champ. This is assuming we are going to continue with this strategy and go ranked. If not, then never mind. I'm going to bring Rengar into some games. I'm thinking Skarner could be a good secondary for Stranger? Or maybe Nunu or Anivia? I'm thinking about champs with stuns/slows. Rammus might even be cool. Up to you though. Or Udyr? I can't remember who all you've played now. I like the dual jungle. We've never gotten good at learning who counters who, when it's safe to engage the enemy in a team fight, how to initiate a team fight, how to react to an initiation by the enemy in a team fight, etc. Playing dual jungle, we only fight fights we know we can win. When we have an obvious advantage. I think this is way better for us given our overall skill level as a team. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 22 2013,07:13
your mom needs to learn a secondary top lane champ
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 22 2013,08:25
QUOTE Scooty was getting frustrated about stuff last night and was on the verge of causing issues. . . Keep that in check. Yeah, I noticed. The furious typing after a few of his deaths was a pretty clear indication that he was mildly raging. Scooty, please allow me to give you my perspective on a four specific moments that stood out to me last night regarding you: 1. We're well into the game. Our junglers are already roaming, and have died to a 4 v 2 battle. Kat got 2 of those kills. I'm in mid against Kat, Gordo is at top against Akali, and Scooty is at bot against whomever was down there. Anyway, the point is that the game didn't just begin, we were a few minutes into the laning phase, and I was doing fine. This Kat was NOT very good at bursting and harassing. That's when I heard Scooty say he was coming mid. I thought, "Ok...he must be roaming, maybe we'll get a kill." Then I hear him start talking about how someone needs to get to bot or that turret is going down, which it does go down with nobody playing defense. Scooty, I had NO IDEA why you were coming mid. None. I realize we had discussed it on the forum, BUT we never said it's an automatic switch. Nor was it stated that only you and I must switch. So I guess what I didn't understand is why didn't you ask in comms if I wanted to do the switch? I hadn't died, wasn't getting overly harassed, and really didn't need it at the time. On top of that, why do you think the proper switch would've been with you that game? You were bot against two people. Is that really the best spot for squishy Teemo? If a switch would have needed to be made that game, it needed to happen IMMEDIATELY, not a few minutes into the laning phase (long enough for your turret to be easily knocked over with a single push), and the switch should have sent me top vs Akali, not bot for a 1v2. You and Singed could have then figured out who would be best to face Kat or the 1v2. Anyway, the point is that as a team from the loading screen until "Minions have spawned" we need to discuss any switches that need to occur and do it then. Obviously, adjustments can be made later, but they need to be discussed, not assumed. 2. This was post the dragon fiasco, which I'll talk about later. You were a bit too aggressive going after one of them. I was saying, pull back, pull back, and you ignored me only to have 2 more jump out kill you, and kill me. My fault for sticking around when I knew it was a bad move, but at the same time, more than anyone else on the team, you tend to lose focus when you smell blood. The thing that annoyed me though was that I heard you huff after you died. I immediately took that as somehow it was my fault that you led us into a 3v2. 3. The last one, we were retreating from a push and Cake said, "don't leave Teemo". You turned and got killed while me and...Singed? kept running and lived. That was appreciated, but I hope you weren't expecting us to engage with you. If that's the case, you should have kept running. We were low health/mana, and had three chasing with full health/mana. (It's why we were all running.) It was either one of us dies or all three. You could have left me behind, and I wouldn't have bitched about it. That being said, Scooty was dead on about that dragon fight in the second game. I heard Cake say we were baiting them, but I never heard that communicated until he said it after 2-3 of us had died. We handled that moment badly. And that's something I noticed last night, our comms get shitty in games when we're not rolling. We need to relax a bit more. Put less sarcasm into our comments. Discuss what we're doing, whether it's engaging, retreating, or baiting. When we're winning we sound like the damn videos of the U.S. military running ops. When we're losing, it's lots of dead air between snarky comments. Stop it. QUOTE Leisher needs to learn a new mid champ? Agreed. I was actually giving this thought last night. However, I don't know who. I could absolutely do that easy thing and bring out Ez, MF, or Varus mid. The team does lack an AD if Scooty isn't playing one. Those three who be easy learns because I have lots of experience with two of them, and the other is one I like playing. However, if I go AP, who would you guys like to see? LeBlanc has the high mobility I like. Anivia has massive damage potential, and that ridiculous 6 second CD on his ult, which would be huge during team fights. (I'd have to buy Anivia, but own LeBlanc.) How about Ziggs? Again, I'd need to save up for him, but during his free week, I tried him, and loved him. QUOTE I like the dual jungle. We've never gotten good at learning who counters who, when it's safe to engage the enemy in a team fight, how to initiate a team fight, how to react to an initiation by the enemy in a team fight, etc. Playing dual jungle, we only fight fights we know we can win. When we have an obvious advantage. I think this is way better for us given our overall skill level as a team. I like dual jungle too, but I feel you underestimate us as a normal meta team. We're fine in team fights when they're done on our terms. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 22 2013,09:18
< Health bars are getting changed. >Also, they're toying with a new system for bans. If folks are toxic, instead of a ban, and them playing a smurf account, they're going to force them to play in matches with positive players. They'll have limited chat ability, and if they misbehave they get banned. Sounds like these games will be mandatory if they want their account back. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 22 2013,10:08
So they are going to punish good players by forcing them to play with an asshole?
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 22 2013,10:21
yeah that would be kinda shitty.. they should just IP address ban people that are toxic that way they can't smurf.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 22 2013,10:37
Putting in one asshole with a group of otherwise well-adjusted folk will have one of two outcomes:1) asshole learns to develop social skills 2) asshole learns nothing, everyone else pulls the choke chain on his very short leash. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 22 2013,10:46
I don't play this game to help people grow up.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 22 2013,10:58
(GORDON @ Feb. 22 2013,12:46) QUOTE I don't play this game to help people grow up. Then pull the chain if they get out of line. I'm betting that's what the dudes at the top want. "We had to ban all these assholes, the decent folk of the community brought the ax down themselves, not us." Posted by GORDON on Feb. 22 2013,11:01
Sheeeeit, I pull the chain if I even suspect they are an ass.Strangely, I have never reported a person who kept their mouth shut (unless they quit the game midway through). Posted by GORDON on Feb. 22 2013,11:01
Any word on why peeps lost their honorable ribbons?
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 22 2013,11:14
Yeah, look back a few pages. I posted an article about this happening. They boosted the requirements as they thought too many people had it, and got it too easily.Also, they lowered the requirements for the other ribbons. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 22 2013,12:40
Yeah I just thought maybe they had posted the actual thresholds for those ribbons.
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 22 2013,14:14
Going to be doing all kinds of testing tonight with different champions to try and find the best fit for that 1v2 bottom lane. Having a lot of trouble holding the lane/farming/not getting turret dove...etc Near impossible to train in solo queue aswell, as the closest I can get is solo top. . .
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 22 2013,18:57
Anybody playing tonight? . . . Its friday.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 22 2013,19:11
I'm ready.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 23 2013,07:47
< http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs....inst-by >HAH! this article applies directly to us and our wildly successful double jungle comp as of late. We have been throwing off the other teams "OODA Loop". Perfect! Posted by GORDON on Feb. 23 2013,10:51
(Stranger @ Feb. 23 2013,10:47) QUOTE < http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs....inst-by > HAH! this article applies directly to us and our wildly successful double jungle comp as of late. We have been throwing off the other teams "OODA Loop". Perfect! Required reading Posted by Leisher on Feb. 23 2013,11:11
I should be available this evening.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 23 2013,13:14
Me too.Was walking through walmart this afternoon. In the electronics section, a couple guys down the aisle were talking... I heard, "Mumble mumble BLITZCRANK mumble mumble..." I sort of got a little closer. One guy was talking about how funny Blitz's grab was. I said, "I prefer Singed." I was at least twice as old as those guys. They lit up and were like, "You play League too?" and I was all like, "Constantly." Then I got to hear a long "cool story bro" about how one guy got owned by Singed the other night. I thought about mentioning how they were soon to get owned by our Double Jungle, but decided to just keep that to myself. :-D Posted by Stranger on Feb. 23 2013,14:47
i should be on too, but prolly not until midnight or so..
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 23 2013,15:10
I'll be on
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 24 2013,13:03
![]() So i started training Garen for that near impossible 2v1 lane bot, so I thought Tim might like this ;D Posted by Leisher on Feb. 25 2013,07:10
I think the funniest part of this is that he's completely wrong. Let's say you're playing chess, but you only like using the pawns. Fun should be part of the experience, but you still have to try and win, which means you might not be able to play Heimerdinger bot... ![]() Posted by GORDON on Feb. 25 2013,07:21
So that game last night.. were they double jungling?
Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 25 2013,08:08
No, they were not. Lux was support bottom.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 25 2013,08:09
On another note. As far as our ranked games go, the good thing about losing them all is that we will end up in Bronze V. With other Bronze V teams. Then I bet we start winning more.I'm also looking at other people in my bracket. One has 194 wins and over 100 games in the league. First time I've seen that badge. 100 games, but he's in bronze V. Looked at his match history and this guy suuuuuuuuuuucks. 3:7 win loss ratio. I REALLY feel for the people that get stuck with him. But anyways, made me wonder where he was placed in the beginning. Bronze I? II? Who knows. But, he lost enough games to drop to III. I'm also finding closer games. Used to be one team would just WRECK the other. They seem to be more even now. My conclusion is that the really crappy people are falling to the bottom of the pile, as they should. The better people are moving up. So, given enough time, you will be placed with people that are actually at your skill level. If you are having trouble winning games, stop playing for a while. Let your bracket self correct, then jump back in. I'm at the top of Bronze III now, needing 2 out of 3 wins to get back into Bronze II. Just hope I don't get teamed up with 3:7 guy. . . Other thing I've noticed is that YOU MUST CARRY YOUR TEAM. If you want even the slightest chance of winning, you must be playing your best. And your best better be better than 4 out of 5 of the enemies. You WILL have people feeding on your team. You have to compensate for that. We are smart disciplined people. Playing better than the rest of the Bronze players won't be that difficult. Last, there are silver/gold smurfs in Bronze. What a bunch of fucking pussies. . . They take a champ and then WRECK the other team. Had a silver Kayle on my team yesterday. She took mid and was counter jungling Amumu, ganking bot and top and racking up the kills. Mostly ignored her own lane because Fidd was afraid to leave his turret. That was an easy win and it was over by minute 5. Had this person on my team through 4 queue dodges. At any point, he could have ended up on the other team resulting in a loss for me. So, there are pussy ringers running around in the league as well. Second accounts that lose their opening 10 games on purpose to get placed with newbs they can wreck. Then there are times that no matter how well you do, your team will just refuse to win. Had one game as Noc. I went 8/5/7. Not a great score, but the rest of my team was 3/12/5 or so. We were just WRECKED. But by actually playing well and not being an idiot, I still did well. I think this helps minimize the number of points you lose when you lose the game too. You just have to hope there are at least 2 other people who aren't idiots. Posted by Trooper on Feb. 25 2013,09:53
Last nights game was awesome, and that's about it. Lets keep it up!
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 27 2013,07:32
I'm out tonight. Taking my oldest to see Mary Poppins. If I get on, it won't be earlier than 11. I should be good for Thursday, and I think the weekend...
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 27 2013,08:15
i will be on tonight though.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 27 2013,08:17
Had one of the worst hitler's ever last night, so I think I'm out tonight, too.Wife wants to watch TV anyway. All those DVR'd episodes of Walking Dead that we haven't watched yet. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 27 2013,08:22
You should watch them on Sundays like everyone else instead of bitching on Sunday night that no one is available to play!I'll take the opportunity to go to bed early then. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 27 2013,08:25
You are not the boss of when I watch TV. Who are you, Comrade Nielsen Ratings?
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 27 2013,10:11
That Hitler just had a shitty attitude. His play wasn't so bad that we had no chance. I mean, we did win. I did notice he was pretty worthless in team fights.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 27 2013,10:30
(Leisher @ Feb. 27 2013,13:11) QUOTE That Hitler just had a shitty attitude. His play wasn't so bad that we had no chance. I mean, we did win. I did notice he was pretty worthless in team fights. No, he said that was our fault for running around like chickens with our heads cut off. Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 28 2013,09:54
Looks like I'm out tonight too. Most likely working.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 28 2013,10:04
I need younger, lazier friends.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 28 2013,10:12
Looks like I'm playing Saints Row tonight. QUOTE I need younger, lazier friends. So more people can complain about you getting sleepy at 10 p.m. EST? Posted by Trooper on Feb. 28 2013,11:02
I can get one of my friends to take Randy's place, or better yet. . . Lets play with Theo???
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 28 2013,11:28
I am all for playing. However, I'd want Gordo, Stranger, Theo, and you...not a combination of a few of you and some randoms like BigBallsMcGee. I've no desire to practice a different strategy with some random who won't be committed to it. We dealt with someone like that the other night, and while we won, it wasn't fun. If we get us 5 on, are we dumping double jungle? Are we playing the meta? If we go meta: Me - ADC, Stranger - Support, Gordo - Jungle, Scooty - mid, Theo - top. If we go double jungle: Gordo - lane, Theo - lane, Stranger - jungle, and either me mid with Teemo and Scooty jungle ADC or Scooty mid and me jungle ADC. Posted by Stranger on Feb. 28 2013,11:51
ill be on for sure tonight .
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 28 2013,13:30
I'll think about it. It's less fun with strays. And I have more TV I could watch tonight.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 28 2013,13:45
I'm up for whatever.. If only half of us are on thats fine, i can solo q
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 28 2013,14:07
I'd love to fill the adc jungle position with Ronnie tonight if need be. If not, laning is not a problem either. Whatever works.
Posted by Trooper on Feb. 28 2013,14:08
And I just asked Theo if hes up for playing tonight, assuming he is, that'll make it 5 so we can do our double jungle.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 28 2013,18:02
Well here I am.
Posted by Stranger on Mar. 01 2013,05:09
(GORDON @ Feb. 28 2013,21:02) QUOTE Well here I am. Rock you like a hurricane!! reminded me of DIO! Posted by GORDON on Mar. 01 2013,05:11
Why would a Scorpions song remind you of Dio?Boom, nailed it. When I wrote the post I was thinking f the Lords of Acid song, "Sex Bomb" which has the line, "Well here I am babydoll... a free man." Which I think is a quote from a movie, I just don't know which. Posted by Stranger on Mar. 01 2013,05:34
Great start to a friday morning! A lil Dio in to start the day will be sure to have me ready to rock later tonight. Thanks!!
Posted by Stranger on Mar. 01 2013,05:50
< http://www.reignofgaming.net/news....otlight >Also, tons of changes in today's patch. And i found this article on gold production, the link wasn't posting for some reason so i just copied and pasted it. i found the Champion part to be really interesting. If your feeding your not really worth that much gold to the other team. But if you can kill the other guy that is legendary, you get paid. Minions There are three lanes, and each lane spawns a wave of minions every 30 seconds. A wave consists of: 1.3 melee minions Gold value - 20 + .5*minute/3 2.3 ranged minions Gold value - 15 + .5*minute/3 3.In addition, every third wave has a siege minion (and every other wave, post-35 minutes). Gold value - 40 + minute/3 In total, this means that the flow of minion gold is approximately (118 + 3.333 gold/3 minutes)/30 seconds So at the beginning of the game, a laner can get up to 118 gold every 30 seconds (higher by 20 than every passive gold source in the game combined), just from minions. And of course, this is just for comparison; nothing stops a laner from getting some of these passive gold sources (and every laner will have at least the 48gold/30 seconds from base passive gold). Monsters The jungler has his own 'minions' to clear. 1.Wolves Gold value - 63 + .81/min 2.Golems Gold value - 70 + 1.03/min 3.Wraiths 39 + .88/min One clear gives you about 172 gold, plus an additional 3-ish gold every minute Champions Champions are worth an amount of gold that is inherently anti-snowbally. The base gold value for a champion is 300 gold. However, if the champion has a 1-kill spree, he is worth 360. With 2 kills, he becomes worth 432, and the third kill ups the bounty gold to 500. On the other hand, deaths bring your gold value down: 300->261->183->128->90->63->44->32->21->15. This means if you kill your lane opponent and he comes back and kills you, he's 60 gold ahead, ceteris paribus. So if you kill somebody and you're low on health, GO BACK. But what's interesting about these numbers is the following: If you last-hit all of the minions, you get the gold equivalent of a kill per minute and a half (that's 20 kills in a 30 minute game). On top of that, the value of kills continually will decrease with previous kills, while the value of minions only goes up. This is why last-hitting is far more important than getting kills. If you miss out on a last-hitting harassing and going for kills, and the kill attempt fails, you are just behind. Worse, if their jungler shows up, or they outplay you, not only have they killed you or forced you to back (causing you to miss minion gold), but they are already ahead of you in gold from CSing properly. This is why it's often better to let a low-health opponent stay in lane. If you dive them and try to kill them, you risk a counter-gank or getting outplayed (or just killed by the tower), and losing your advantage. If you just continue to zone them, you still gain part of the advantage of a kill: they can't kill minions. Objectives Turrets give 150 gold to every member of your team, or 750 gold. For comparison, if each laner clears 1 wave (354-ish), and the jungler does a full-clear (172 gold), you get 526 (plus a little for how late in the game it is). So even if your team has to drop EVERYTHING they're doing to get a turret, the gold it gives you is worthwhile. And odds are, if you're pushing down a tower, you're getting at least the minion gold for that wave (118). Dragons give 190 gold to every member of your team, or 950 gold. This means, given the above numbers, dragon is worth about a full minute of laning and clearing. Not to mention the fact that by taking dragon, you deny the other team the opportunity to do so. Baron gives 300 gold to every member of your team, or 1500 gold. And a huge buff. It's pretty awesome. You also deny the other team the opportunity to take it by taking it. Wards Wards give 25 gold! This means that killing 1 ward every 50 seconds gives you about as much gold as a Philosopher's Stone! This also means that, if you know where an enemy ward is, it's pretty much always worth it to get a pink ward over a green ward, no matter who you are in what lane. You deny them vision, and you make up 25 gold of the 50 gold diference. Per Kill abilities/items Avarice Blade - (this means you have to kill 1.5 minions every wave to equal Kage's Lucky Pick, and 3 minions every wave to equal Philosopher's Stone) If you kill 12 minions/minute, or 2 minions/10seconds, Avarice Blade effectively gives you a total of 7 gold/10 seconds (3 passively, and 4 from minions). Is Bankplank back? Ashe - Each point of Hawkshot gives you 1 gold/minion kill. If you kill 12 minions/minute, or 2 minions/10 seconds, each point in Hawkshot effectively gives you 2gold/10seconds. 2 points is like having a Kage's Lucky Pick. 5 points in Hawkshot gives you 10 gold/10seconds. For comparison, a support with Gold Quints, Greed, and Philo Stone gets 10gold/10seconds from those three things. Gangplank - Parley gives you 4/5/6/7/8 bonus gold if it lands the killing blow. Its cooldown is 5 seconds, which is basically enough to Q every minion in a wave except when cannon creeps show up, for 24/30/36/42/48 bonus gold/30 seconds. That's as much as people normally get from passive gold. Woah. Twisted Fate - Twisted's Fate's passive is 2 points in hawkshot for every laner and your jungler. That's 12gold/10 seconds for laners and 4.5 gold/10 seconds for your jungler, for a total of 16.5 gold/10 seconds. Overall Focusing on objectives and minions is a better, more consistent source of gold than going for kills. Why? 1.Getting more kills increases the value the other team gets from killing you, while minions do not. 2.You can zone somebody without killing them and still get ahead, without the risk of trying to dive them for a kill. 3.On top of that, if they are low, they can't contest objectives like towers or dragon. 4.There is a LOT of gold to be had from minions. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 01 2013,07:34
That's a really good breakdown of gold. I am 100% sure I'll be on tonight. Probably 10ish. Tomorrow looks to be the same. If we have our core 5 on, should we try double jungle in ranked or do still have some polishing to do? I know I need to start working on a different mid just so I have a backup. I'm leaning towards Anivia or LeBlanc. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 01 2013,07:43
I'm ready. Will be on tonight. If Singed get eliminated/taken in Ranked, let me know who I should be up top, and I will play a refresher game or two with that character today. Nasus? Difficult because he is slow and not ranged. But possible. Or I can be one of the junglers, but Cake just gotta tell me step by step what to do in the first 10 minutes. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 01 2013,07:46
The only ranked catch is if we don't get Singed or Teemo. Not sure how practiced you guys are with other champs in those lanes. I'm game for jumping in and trying, or we can practice other champs. I've been practicing Noc, Rengar and Naut in jungle. Naut for when Stranger is out and I run with a DPS in jungle.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 01 2013,07:49
(GORDON @ Mar. 01 2013,10:43) QUOTE I'm ready. Will be on tonight. If Singed get eliminated/taken in Ranked, let me know who I should be up top, and I will play a refresher game or two with that character today. Nasus? Difficult because he is slow and not ranged. But possible. Or I can be one of the junglers, but Cake just gotta tell me step by step what to do in the first 10 minutes. Any top champ you want to play up there. Watched a Nasus OWN scooty yesterday, but that was because Scooty didn't harass well enough and Nasus built his Q to uber levels. Hell, you can even take Ryze up there if you wanted. It's not like we are running a meta. . . So, any champ you think you can use to compete against the champs you expect to see up there. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 01 2013,07:54
QUOTE The only ranked catch is if we don't get Singed or Teemo. Not sure how practiced you guys are with other champs in those lanes. Like I said, I want to start training up Anivia or LeBlanc, and I could always just throw MF or Ezreal mid. Not like I have to be AP. I think Nasus just got buffed, and I'd rather see him than Ryze. Nasus has that nice AoE and the best slow in the game. Posted by Stranger on Mar. 01 2013,08:09
I also like the Nasus myself. You can build him really tanky and still do tons of damage IF you get your Q farmed up and thats important to a Nasus. And that would allow me to go with Hecarim and be a bigger damage dealer, I have really been loving playing him lately and got a good build that really works for him. Eventhough he just got nerfed so to say, its not much of a change. Infact they actually buffed his early game which was his real problem in my opinion.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 01 2013,10:23
(Cakedaddy @ Mar. 01 2013,10:49) QUOTE (GORDON @ Mar. 01 2013,10:43) QUOTE I'm ready. Will be on tonight. If Singed get eliminated/taken in Ranked, let me know who I should be up top, and I will play a refresher game or two with that character today. Nasus? Difficult because he is slow and not ranged. But possible. Or I can be one of the junglers, but Cake just gotta tell me step by step what to do in the first 10 minutes. Any top champ you want to play up there. Watched a Nasus OWN scooty yesterday, but that was because Scooty didn't harass well enough and Nasus built his Q to uber levels. Hell, you can even take Ryze up there if you wanted. It's not like we are running a meta. . . So, any champ you think you can use to compete against the champs you expect to see up there. A Ryze up top might be interesting. Slow, but I can live under my turret and para/strike anyone who gets within tower range trying to jump me. Solo farm for about 10 minutes, then become more powerful that you can possibly imagine... Posted by GORDON on Mar. 01 2013,10:24
(Leisher @ Mar. 01 2013,10:54) QUOTE QUOTE The only ranked catch is if we don't get Singed or Teemo. Not sure how practiced you guys are with other champs in those lanes. Like I said, I want to start training up Anivia or LeBlanc, and I could always just throw MF or Ezreal mid. Not like I have to be AP. I think Nasus just got buffed, and I'd rather see him than Ryze. Nasus has that nice AoE and the best slow in the game. Nasus's AOE thingy is AP based, and never very good, IMO, since I don't build Nasus AP. I will take a look at his current skills today since the buff and see what can be done with him. Posted by Trooper on Mar. 01 2013,10:46
I harassed the hell out of him, but with is passive lifesteal bonus, and his natural tankiness, and a crappy jungler who totally under estimated Nasus. . . It was very difficult to zone him out. Olaf is one of the strongest 1v2 champions in the game, as you really only have to build health on him for him to become a HUGE threat. I'm going to keep training him up, as i've been seeing a ton of him in LCS. Would like to see an Ashe make her way into our strat aswell. Been dicking around with her the last week, and find her to be extremely useful with all that slow. I'm not a good candidate, as I keep forgetting to turn my Q on during fights. Just saying.
Posted by Trooper on Mar. 01 2013,10:48
Also, we need a Syndra player! Somebody step up to do it, or I will! Shes extremely difficult to play, but holy hell is she strong! This would be good for Tim I think, mid lane.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 01 2013,11:24
I could play Ashe or Syndra. Although, I don't own Syndra, and I'm well under the IP needed at the moment. Next time she's free I'll give her a look.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 01 2013,12:18
< Smart Ping >Read that article so you have a clue what's going on if you see them in game tonight. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 01 2013,12:30
That's going to take a little practice, especially since the entire team is usually in voice and we dont need no fancy pings most of the time.
Posted by Trooper on Mar. 01 2013,13:32
Seeing as there is about a 2 second delay in steam, as apposed to a zero delay ingame ping, they're very useful. Pinging is an essential tool for a team in order to better synergize in my opinion. Along with warding, we need to be pinging much more often then we are. Serveral advantages:1. Forces you to look at the minimap to see what/where the ping is, which ups your map awareness. 2. only about a second or so after you ping, the warning/command will be vocal via steam chat. 3. Much easier/quicker to vocalize an order. **for example 1."Syndra is sitting in that bush over there behind dragon, but you know the one like in front of Red buff? Not the one below red buff. . . The one thats in between baron and red. ." ..etc Or. . . . 1. Alert ping "Syndra is in that bush" 2. On my way ping from jungler "Teemo, come rush their blue" 3. Missing ping "Mid is missing" . . . Alert ping "they're headed that way, care bot" 4. You may find it a little tough to get used to at first, hitting ALT or CTRL or G or V all the time to ping things out, but you'll get used to it quick enough. Another suggestion (if you have any kind of gaming mouse or keyboard) hotkey those 4 pings to your mouse buttons or keyboard macro buttons, that's what I'm doing. 5. Keeps voice chatter to a minimum, while still receiving just as much/more precise commands. 6. One of the other major focuses is to keep you looking over at your minimap as much as possible. The more map awareness we have (teamed with the wards' vision control) the easier our split pushing/laning/counter jungling will flow) 7. One last thing I wanted to point out, after watching a lot of the LCS games, I noticed how every single player excluding the ADC for obvious reasons, would buy wards, and at least 2 or 3 every time they back to buy items. I'm going to watch a few more, and pin point every place they always put them. They'll put regular wards in certain places, and pink wards in other places. Basically it all comes down to where the clock is throughout the duration of the game, so I'll be working on and throwing up an extensive warding guide up here with maps and everything. Basically to show where we should be warding, with what kind of ward, under certain situations in the game (winning or losing the turret count). Thats all for now. Posted by Stranger on Mar. 01 2013,13:54
quick and easy guide on where to ward..2 entrances to your jungle (top and bottom) same with the enemies entrances. Both red and blue buffs on your side and the enemies. Dragon and Baron. Simple really, any ward placement helps. Posted by Trooper on Mar. 01 2013,15:22
OLAF**All values at level 18** Health 2115 Health Regen 46.4 every second Armor 71 Magic Resist 52.5 Attack Damage 117.1 Attack Speed 1.013% Lifesteal 0 Spell Vamp 0 Armor Pen. 0 Cooldown Reduction 0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- **All values Level 18 with items** Health 4665 (+2550) Health Regen 56.03 every second (+9.63) Armor 116 (+45) Magic Resist 102.5 (+50) Attack Damage 197.1 (+80) Attack Speed 1.013% Lifesteal 0 Spell Vamp 0 Armor Pen. 0 Cooldown Reduction 40% -------------------------------------------------------------------------- **All values Level 18 with items and Vicious Strikes and Ragnarok active** **Vicious Strikes** Cooldown 9.6 sec (normally 16 sec) with 40% CDR For 6 seconds, Olaf's attack damage is increased by 35 base damage +1% of his max health. Olaf gains 21% lifesteal and spell vamp. **Ragnarok(Ult)** Cooldown 60 sec (normally 100 sec) with 40% CDR Breaks all crowd control effects. For 6 seconds, Olaf is immune to disables, gains 60 armor and magic resist and 30 armor penetration. Health 4665 Health Regen 56.03 every second Armor 176 (+60) Magic Resist 162.5 (+60) Attack Damage 278.75 (+161.65) Lifesteal 21% +20% of damage delt Spell Vamp 21% +20% of damage delt Armor Pen. 30 (+30) Cooldown Reduction 40% -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***********ITEMS**************** 1. Ionian Boots of Lucidity -10% Cooldown reduction 2. Spirit Visage -50 Magic resist -200 Health -20% Cooldown reduction -Increase health regen, lifesteal, spellvamp 20% 3. The Black Cleaver -200 Health -50 Attack damage -10% Cooldown reduction 4. Warmogs -1000 Health -Restores 1% of maximum health every 5 sec. 5. Frozen Mallet -700 Health -30 Attack damage -Basic attacs slow movement for 1.5 sec 40% -40% for ranged attacks 6. Sunfire Cape -450 Health -45 armor -Deals 40 magic damage per second to nearby foes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- **Last 3 abilities/Passive with items** **Undertow** Cooldown 3.2 sec (normally 8 sec) with 40% CDR Olaf throws an axe at target location dealing 457.1 (538.75 with Vicious Strikes active) physical damage to units it passes through and slowing them by 40% for 2.5 seconds. Slow fades over duration. If Olaf picks up the axe, the ability's cooldown is reduced by 4.5 sec. **Reckless Swing** Cooldown 2 sec (normally 5 sec) with 40% CDR Olaf deals 340 true damage to his target and inflicts 136 true damage to himself. **Berserker Rage (Passive)** For each 1% of health missing, Olaf's attack speed is increased by 1%. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- **Theory** Olaf is a bruiser. A champion who can tank almost as much as a normal tank with his ult active, and just a little less than a tank without it active, while still dishing out serious damage. Hes one of the best champions for locking onto the ADC's and the AP nukers to keep them zoned, and constantly damaging and slowing retreating threats in order to reach and kill them for several reasons. 1. He builds a ton of health and small amounts of resistances (armor/magic resist) making him perfect for engaging and zoning the ADC/AP Nukers. Once he locks onto lets say Caitlyn for example, not only will he be bruising her hardcore with all of his instant damage output, but he'll force her to either: A. retreat / B. turn her focus to me. 2. With his majorly low cooldowns, his Ragnarok makes him perfect for rushing in with the tank to immediately lock the ADC/AP nukers down without anything or anyone stopping him for 6 seconds. . . NO CC!! His armor and resist get jacked up aswell making him sustain that rush easier. Upon reaching the ADC/AP Nukers his Vicious Strikes will make his hits hurt, a lot. He'll also be able to slam anyone with 340 true damage every 2 seconds with is Reckless Swing. 3. When the chase starts, Olaf will begin throwing his axe at the falling back target, slowing them by 40% for 2.5 seconds and dealing 457.1 (538.75 with Vicious Strikes active) damage every 3.2 seconds, unless he is able to pick his axe back up while chasing giving him a now instant cooldown. When he finally reaches the target, his frozen mallet will keep the target slowed 40% every hit. At this point Olaf has taken quite a large amount of damage making the damage output even higher due to his Berserker Rage (Passive) jacking his attackspeed up! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- One thought I had. . . Saw it in the Curse vs. CLG matchup the first week of LCS. They had Olaf playing the 1v2 lane against the ADC and Support. At the start they had mid help Olaf secure the blue buff, while the jungle and adc secured the red buff for Xin (jungle). This made it extremely easy for Olaf to not only sustain, but farm up a lot more efficiently having no mana problems. For us. . . Steve (Top lan) helps Olaf secure blue buff, Olaf tanking so Steve won't take any damage. Olaf immediately backs, picks up an extra pink ward, and teleports to his lane in bottom if running won't get him to the turret before it gets pushed. Randy and Ronnie would start golems, and move the rest of the way through red wraiths and wolves. THIS IS ALL MY OWN ORIGINAL WORK! No copy and paste done here. Posted by Trooper on Mar. 01 2013,15:31
(Stranger @ Mar. 01 2013,13:54) QUOTE quick and easy guide on where to ward.. 2 entrances to your jungle (top and bottom) same with the enemies entrances. Both red and blue buffs on your side and the enemies. Dragon and Baron. Simple really, any ward placement helps. This works, but we'd be essentially wasting wards in places we don't need to, and potentially putting said warder in danger of a gank being way over extended. If we're losing the turret push, we don't need wards in there jungle, and this is why. 1. We can't nor should we EVER venture that far into enemy territory if we're losing in turrets. It would be best to keep OUR jungle warded to better respond to their split pushes. 2. You're putting said warder that far away from base into enemy territory/jungle, the chances of them being ganked are VERY high. If we're winning the turret push, we don't need wards in our own jungle and this is why: 1. enemy will most likely be doing what was previously stated above, warding their own jungle, never venturing dangerously out into our territory to ward irrelevant places or counter jungling. Therefore, we needn't bother wasting our wards in our own jungle/lanes. Pink wards are more important in certain places in BOTH situations, to better shut the team down even more. If we're winning, us keeping them in fog of war in their own jungle confines them to their base and closest turret in lane, giving us full reign over their jungle, aswell as our own. If we're losing, we keep them in the dark in OUR jungle, giving us full vision of split pushs/ganks from the enemy team. Making them a bit more weary to enter our jungle, and giving us more opportunities to farm and catch up with the winning team. Still. You put pinks in certain more common places, and regulars in other places depending on the above odds. Posted by Stranger on Mar. 01 2013,17:03
Unexpected band practice session tonight. I'll be on but might be a lil later
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 01 2013,18:25
You need to practice the triangle?
Posted by Stranger on Mar. 01 2013,18:34
I only play cowbell...Done now, should be on in 30-40 Posted by Trooper on Mar. 02 2013,11:47
I'll be on tonight. Was grounded last night, so sorry for not showing.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 03 2013,02:12
So, of course I bought Quinn. Holy OP Batman. Learned her VERY quickly as she plays somewhat like Nidalee, but easier. Not sure on her build order yet, but damn does she snowball easy. I haven't owned any games yet as I'm still too new with her. But with a good team behind (in front of) her, she can rack up the kills quickly. She is REALLY fast as the bird. Just played against a Graves. He hit harder with his basic attacks and abilities. But when I was able to stack my stuff, I had more DPS than he did.Anyway, looking forward to using her in our double jungle thing. She's not really a jungler, but will make a good ganker. Posted by Trooper on Mar. 04 2013,10:37
Found Akali to be an amazing jungler. Just throwing that out there.
Posted by Stranger on Mar. 04 2013,11:45
(Trooper @ Mar. 04 2013,13:37) QUOTE Found Akali to be an amazing jungler. Just throwing that out there. Basically anything goes for us now that we have been trying the double jungle. We just need to be aware of our team comp as a whole though. Like Cake saying that he wants to try Quinn in the jungle, thats fine and all but we just need to be sure someone on the team is somewhat tanky. I don't think we need full on tanks anymore with our hit and run guerrila warfare that we employ. Thats why i started building my Hecarim to be a bigger damage dealer and less tank cause in those little 3v2 or 2v2 skirmishes that happen it seems like the harder hitting teams come out on top. With this in mind i'm prolly gonna start bringing Kha'zix into the jungle mix. He is more of an assasin type and im not sure if he would fit into all of our team comps but there are places for him. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 04 2013,13:32
Would be fun to run Rengar and Kha'zix. Just because.I still don't think it matters if we have a tanky champ on our team any more. We don't team fight. . . we attack a weak enemy and move on. I think the higher damage output we can achieve, the better our success rate will be with our current strategy. We never fight a fair fight and our durability is irrelevant because we will burst them dead before they can us. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 04 2013,13:38
Even when we do have a tank they just immediately skip him and kill Leisher, anyway.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 04 2013,13:39
I'm assuming no game tonight, poker night?
Posted by Stranger on Mar. 04 2013,13:42
Kha'zix, Rengar would be pretty fun. Along with teemo and an Akali, we would have so much stealth teams would almost have to run around with oracles just to see us. I was thinking of buying Diana for the same kind of bursty champ but she's AP so if we needed some more AP i could roll with her and if we needed more AD i could go Kha'zix Posted by Trooper on Mar. 04 2013,14:54
I'll be on and playing.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 05 2013,09:42
Unless I'm forgetting something, I should be on this evening.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 05 2013,10:49
I should be as well.
Posted by Trooper on Mar. 05 2013,11:39
Same here.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 05 2013,16:07
I can probably make myself available since other people have given advance notice.This may sound wacky... but I think I'd like to give Ryze another shot, even possibly at top with our double junglers. Or mid. Whatev. Been playing a few practice games, and he is faster than he used to be. If I can keep from feeding until he gets his first couple items, he becomes a hard hitter. He will insta-nuke almost any non-tank fully built. Couple him with someone like Kayle (I think?) who can throw the invulnerable on him when he gets focused, and we win. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 05 2013,16:10
Ha... the Mac client has been released. Our general pool of players is going to get a lot less skilled once those non-gamer gamers get leveled up.Only thing easier to kill would be an XBox client gamer. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 05 2013,18:09
Correction: Ryze doesn't begin to do much damage until after level 15 or so, and has 3-4 built items. Until then he is squishy and doesn't hit that hard... his only redeeming spell until then is a no-miss stun.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 05 2013,21:21
What can we do about bottom lane? It seems that Scooty is not enjoying himself down there. He's only happy when the junglers are down there and when no one helps him, he wanders from his lane and pops up in random places. There's no communication coming from him other than the updates that bottom is getting killed. He can't farm and can't keep their carry from farming.So, what are the possible solutions? Second topic: Junglers need to ward and counter ward more. Stranger used to do that a lot, but since switching to a damage dealer, he's stopped buying wards/pink eye. Solution: Stop doing that. :-) We still have to ward and buy pink eye. I need to remember to place my wards when I buy them. Third topic: I was going to mention only seeing Singed top lane but I think that's a lost cause. Never mind. :-) Fourth topic: I'd like to see a new mid champion. :-) Fifth topic: Are we EVER going to go ranked? If not, then topics 3 and 4 are irrelevant and can be stricken from the record. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 05 2013,21:44
I was going to make a suggestion but then I saw topic 3 so I guess GFY.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 05 2013,22:23
Actually I was going to try Anivia but I was worried about my ping. I'd happily try some other mids, it's why I own them.And I'm all for ranked BUT I think we need to figure out bot lane first. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 06 2013,06:12
![]() I want. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 06 2013,07:52
(Leisher @ Mar. 06 2013,01:23) QUOTE Actually I was going to try Anivia but I was worried about my ping. I'd happily try some other mids, it's why I own them. And I'm all for ranked BUT I think we need to figure out bot lane first. You try Annivia and I'll do Ryze and that way I won't feel bad being the only one sucking. Also I was going to suggest Singed solo bottom since I have experience fighting 2 peeps in a lane. Will be different when that opponent is an ADC, but it shouldn't be too bad as long as they can't turret dive me pre-level 6. But someone said I wasn't leaving top lane last night so he can GFH. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 06 2013,08:21
Singed players sure are hostile.< This thread > is causing a bit of a stir. Apparently, it's LoL comedy gold. Posted by Stranger on Mar. 06 2013,08:49
I think that i'm going to have to shelf the Kha'zix double jungle. The first game wasn't so bad cause we got off to a fast start, but when we got killed immediately in the second game it put me sooooo far behind. I couldn't get any farm and could hardly leave the jungle to help anyone. He CAN do lots of damage but if i get behind at all its a bad situation. Kha'zix rely's on his farm to build up and the double jungle isn't his place to do that. At least with Hecarim or Nautilus i could have some presense even if i got behind early, but not with Kha'zix. That was a learning experience and i'm not going to give up on him i just think he needs to be in a lane. I would like to try him in mid sometime if ever given the chance. As far as the wards go, i was still buying them but not as much as i would have liked cause i was so far behind that second game. I also started with Wriggles both games and had that ward, obviously this isn't enough but trying to be a bigger damage dealer something has got to give. I think if we are going to double jungle it's going to be all of our responsibilities, Sure when i play support i can ward the hell outta the map and it has not effect on my build but if im not a support i need to build other items. But i was buying wards throughout both games, its just a habbit for me cause it comes natural since i play so much support. As far as bot lane... Well i think that Singed would be better suited for it, but its going to be tough on whoever is down there. We know this coming into the game, its the sacrifice we make with double jungle. But in hopes that we can snowball top or mid, all we need is someone to hold off as much as possible. Maybe an idea would be to swap top and bottom lanes after about 10-15 minutes in hopes that we can send a stronger solo down there to deal with the duo team and put the weaker bot laner up against a hopefully weaker top lane enemy. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 06 2013,11:12
You think I was kidding? Who's buying me that Teemo statue dammit?!I didn't care for Kha'zix jungle. Not because you didn't play him well, but because I think we missed our tank. Our five man lineup was: Singed, Teemo, Akali, Quinn, and Kha'zix. Where is the tankiness? Our Singed is more of a damage guy right now, and more importantly, more of a solo lane pusher. Where is the CC? I think Hecarim's lifesteal makes him a lot tankier, and thus more viable, due to the current health meta. Speaking of our lineups, has anyone noticed that Volibear is being seen a LOT more? Again, due to health being the new primary defense attribute, if we have a Volibear player, he may want to explore that route... Can Volibear dual jungle? Can Volibear hold top? Onto other topics: BOT - Scooty either needs to find a champ that works bot or move to top. Akali is obviously not the answer. Whatever happened to Kat? Can't a good Jayce zone people out? Karthus can zone people out really well once he gets his aoe. How about Lux? Play her as a support. She's got nice aoe attacks that help her quickly dispatch minion waves. Not to mention they slow and damage champs, and she has that stun. Her ult would be a nice game changer too. Syndra is a hell of a zoner too. So is Anivia. There's many champs that can work, but the key is that whoever is bot has to realize they are going to get the least amount of farm early game. So basically, it's EXACTLY like playing support except your ADC isn't in lane with you. You should never be out of range of your turret. Will they get shots in on it? Sure. However, if you're not dying, you're not feeding. This also means bot will be primed for ganks, a LOT. TEEMO - I know I need to switch up a bit, BUT I was thinking last night about Teemo. Obviously, he hits fast and hard by mid game. What if I dropped ignite (losing probably a kill a game) and instead took Teleport? By mid game, I normally have a deathcap and a hurricane. I'm hitting close to twice a second, and for a good amount of damage. I'm dropping entire minion waves in about 6 shots (3 seconds). Wouldn't it make sense for me to use teleport to quickly push lanes and towers over just having a single damage spell with a long cooldown, and that I stop using by mid game? Posted by Trooper on Mar. 06 2013,12:49
I'll figure out bot somehow. Like i've said may times before, there is no way to practice a 1v2 lane in solo queue. So I have to do all my practicing playing with you guys, and so far i've found every single champion i've played down there to be very difficult. Turret diving is the main thing, they'll do it to me constantly. Along with the fact that there really is no defending my turret, the adc chews it up and I can't do anything about it. I also usually only get 1 maybe 2 ganks bottom lane if i'm lucky every game, which I think is yet another issue.Their adc gets super super fed bottom, this is bad. This is why we lose games most of the time i think. I'll keep trying new things till i find something that works. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 06 2013,13:19
(Trooper @ Mar. 06 2013,15:49) QUOTE Their adc gets super super fed bottom, this is bad. This is why we lose games most of the time i think. I'll keep trying new things till i find something that works. No I think we lose because Singed "never leaves top." Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 06 2013,13:41
I am always behind when double jungling too. Hell, I'm behind when single jungling. It's comes with the job. The key is, picking the right fights/ganks. We did a MUCH better job of that first game than second. Second, we were 'defending' mid against their mass push, then dying when we pushed back. Had we stayed in a defensive stance and not left our turret, we wouldn't have handed them all those kills. We have no tank. No initiator. We can NOT team fight. Ever. If the odds are even, then we don't fight it. We are bursty as hell. First game last night, late game, I was calling targets. Their team was somewhat spread out and ours happened to be together. Scooty actually called for a retreat (but he was in a crappy 'we suck' mood anyway). I more insistently called Vayne as our target. Me and one other person killed her instantly. Then I called the next target, boom, dead. Thirst target, etc. Next thing we know, four of them are dead, I wasn't hurt at all and we might have lost one. Four of us pushed their mid lane hard. That was the moment that pushed the game over the edge and we won. Point is, we bursted lone targets, communicated, won. Second game, we were team fighting mid, feeding them like crazy, making bad calls and lost. First game, I had a sight stone as one of my items. I was behind Vayne in levels the entire game. But, I never fought alone. So I won way more fights than I lost. The only solo fights we had were against Rengar and that was because we had him so shut down he was no threat. Yes, their Vayne/carry got fed, but top was completely useless and mid was under control. Our strategy is sound as long as we follow our own rules. I like having Kha and I think you just need to learn to play behind the enemies. First game, Kha and Quinn were inseparable. Second game, we were rarely together. Ton of hit and run first game, way too many team fights in mid second game. When we play correctly, we don't need a tank because the fights don't last long enough for us to miss one.Bottom doesn't get ganked because their support always wards it and it's a 3v2 fight. They will always react and we will miss the kill. Mid and top is always a 3v1 with a lot of damage being thrown. Kills are plentiful. That's why I always call top/mid. Demoralize them early and make for a long bad game for them. I'm thinking we need to bring mid down for bottom ganks. Give us a 2:1 advantage and might even be able to brute force take the turret. But more often than not, our bottom champ is beat down and vulnerable if a gank is attempted. It's not all that uncommon for a top champ to fight two champs. That's why we thought it would be good to have one of our many tops cover bottom. There MUST be a way to both farm bottom and not feed. Last hitting between turret hits isn't that hard. Instead of bursting the wave with abilities to kill them all quickly, last hit in between turret hits. This keeps the minion waves closer to your turret. If you find it hard to last hit, change your runes/masteries/items to make it easier. Changing champs may not be the answer. Change your build. But, speaking of champs, there are a lot of champs that are capable of facing two enemies and scoring kills. It happens all the time at top. So simply holding a lane at bottom and keeping things under control shouldn't be out of the question. We wouldn't have put Scooty down there if we didn't think we had the ability to do this. But lately, it seems he doesn't want to. He complains and then lone wolfs and that's not good. And if he doesn't want to, then we live with that and change things up. But don't say "I can do it" and then play like you did last night. That's no fun for anyone. As far as training for ranked and learning new champs: Yes, it's frustrating when the only practice that happens is with our team instead of racking up losses for strangers. But if that's what it takes, I'll pay that price. It's just going to take longer. But ranked is way more fun and rewarding than blind pick. I'm getting tired of blind pick. VERY tired of it. To me, it's like Trammel in UO. There's no risk/reward and the rules are skewed so everyone can do whatever they want without upsetting their opponents. If you don't want to upset us by being the guy that sucks as Ryze while you learn him, learn him with strangers!! Will you lose? Will you get trash talked? Yes. But you can always mute everyone too. I was jungling as Quinn which goes WAY against the meta and got some trash for it. Ask me if I care! I was able to play a better Quinn for you because of it. I did it for you. I put up with assholes. For you. Or, we can not play ranked. That's fine too. I'm not going to stop playing if we never go ranked. I will just stop trying so hard to get there. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 06 2013,13:42
(GORDON @ Mar. 06 2013,16:19) QUOTE (Trooper @ Mar. 06 2013,15:49) QUOTE Their adc gets super super fed bottom, this is bad. This is why we lose games most of the time i think. I'll keep trying new things till i find something that works. No I think we lose because Singed "never leaves top." I never said that Singed never leaves top. I'm saying that all we ever see up there is Singed. Posted by Stranger on Mar. 06 2013,13:54
Im more than willing to go bottom and hold the line. Scooty knows how to jungle and loves to roam so lets let him have at it. That way none of us can complain about him loan wolfing. i sometimes think that Scooty isn't having fun unless he is "carrying" and getting all the kills
Posted by Stranger on Mar. 06 2013,13:56
And i kinda dont mind if someone is pushing one lane at all times. If we are going to be a split push team then we should prolly have someone constantly pushing one lane and keeping that pressure up. It all depends obviously on whats going on in the game at the time, but in general i like someone that is just pushing away at that top lane.
Posted by Trooper on Mar. 06 2013,14:33
I can do it. I just need to keep practicing and messing with things.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 06 2013,14:36
Double Jungling is guaranteed that the junglers will be a little behind in the farm. There is no way to avoid it, and is intentional.The point of double jungling is to throw the other team almost completely off their farm. Our junglers fall behind, but their various team members get shut out completely as they try to adapt to it on the fly and die and/or leave their lane and stop farming in response. Throwing the other team into confusion is at least half the tactic. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 06 2013,14:39
(Stranger @ Mar. 06 2013,16:56) QUOTE And i kinda dont mind if someone is pushing one lane at all times. If we are going to be a split push team then we should prolly have someone constantly pushing one lane and keeping that pressure up. It all depends obviously on whats going on in the game at the time, but in general i like someone that is just pushing away at that top lane. I was 2 seconds from getting their inhibitor last night in the sneak attack/teleport gambit. Volibear came running to me faster than I have ever seen a character move... he was in run mode, and also had those "Base Defense" boots which gives him a massive speed burst out of his spawn. Two more seconds and I'd have had the inhibitor, and it would have changed that endgame significantly. Posted by Trooper on Mar. 06 2013,15:00
QUOTE Volibear came running to me faster than I have ever seen a character move... he was in run mode When voli gets on all fours to chase and flip someone, he gets a 30% movement speed bonus when running towards an enemy champion. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 06 2013,16:54
(Trooper @ Mar. 06 2013,18:00) QUOTE QUOTE Volibear came running to me faster than I have ever seen a character move... he was in run mode When voli gets on all fours to chase and flip someone, he gets a 30% movement speed bonus when running towards an enemy champion. Yes, i know that. But it was those boots that made him supercharged. I bet he was moving 650+. Posted by Trooper on Mar. 06 2013,17:43
Anyone playing tonight? I'm in.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 06 2013,17:48
If everyone is in prior to 10pm, I will show up. Otherwise no.9:30 preferred. Posted by Stranger on Mar. 06 2013,18:08
Tonight unfortunately isn't going to work for me. I'm good the next three days tho.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 06 2013,18:30
(GORDON @ Mar. 06 2013,17:39) QUOTE (Stranger @ Mar. 06 2013,16:56) QUOTE And i kinda dont mind if someone is pushing one lane at all times. If we are going to be a split push team then we should prolly have someone constantly pushing one lane and keeping that pressure up. It all depends obviously on whats going on in the game at the time, but in general i like someone that is just pushing away at that top lane. I was 2 seconds from getting their inhibitor last night in the sneak attack/teleport gambit. Volibear came running to me faster than I have ever seen a character move... he was in run mode, and also had those "Base Defense" boots which gives him a massive speed burst out of his spawn. Two more seconds and I'd have had the inhibitor, and it would have changed that endgame significantly. I was dead and watching you do that. Had you just stayed on the inhib, you'd have gotten it. As it was, you pulled off, danced a bit, went back and hit it again, then got chased down and killed. I could see what you were doing, trying to have your cake and eat it too. But in the end, since you died anyway, you might as well have taken the inhib with you. But since you didn't plan on dying, you didn't. At this point in the game, it was a punt. They had us out leveled, out farmed and out played. I don't think getting that inhib would have mattered. They were too far ahead and we were too far off our game to recover. SCOOTY: It's not enough to say "I'll do it". You have to WANT to do it. Like Stranger said, I get the impression you are happiest when you can just do what you want, get all the farm you can and score a bunch of kills. I guess that would put you mid or maybe top. But not bottom or jungle. Yes, you roam when you jungle, but as game two last night showed, splitting the junglers loses games for us. You and I would have to work as a team. And I'm not sure that would go over well as I'm the one that normally calls the shots. Even last night when saying "Everyone go top and get whoeveritwas." You didn't go. You had your reason, but instead of voicing your concern, you just didn't go. When questioned, you stated cause you didn't know I was coming mid. Instead of just ignoring the order, mention your concern and I can say "I'm on my way to cover mid". Point is, you aren't always ready to just follow my orders. And that would be bad if we are the gank team. It seems like Stranger just trusts me and follows my lead. You don't. So, I'm not sure Scooty and I would make the best jungle team. Because the jungle team doesn't mean lone wolf. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 06 2013,18:35
Yeah, I squirreled around a little bit when they Voli rushed me, not sure if it was the whole team. It wasn't so I went back, took a few more swipes, then enough peeps showed up to kill me. Sucked overall.
Posted by Stranger on Mar. 07 2013,05:32
Scooty, i got to watch that last game from the other night and i think you were playing pretty good with Olaf considering your circumstances. Volibear was zoning you out pretty good and Vayne was getting pretty farmed but after 15 mins you were only down maybe 10-15 cs, not to bad for a 2v1. But my suggestion would be to max his Q first so you can farm much better. You maxed his E which is great for 1v1 trades but if you're gonna be going 2v1 you just wanna farm under the turret as best you can. His Q will clear waves in one hit when maxed and you can farm from range in that manner. I think that Olaf is kinda the ideal 2v1 laner. He is beefy can deal damage can hit from range and farm under the turret. Cho is another champ i think could be good in a 2v1. Or maybe even Mordekiser he doesn't use mana and you can just spam that wave clear attack that he has. Posted by Stranger on Mar. 07 2013,09:56
< http://www.reignofgaming.net/ >Uh oh! incoming Singed nerfs... gotta scroll down a bit to see them but they look significant. Granted this is only on the PBE and things could change before they hit live. Our team is ruined!!!!!!! Posted by GORDON on Mar. 07 2013,10:15
Eh. They are nerfs, but not big ones. The flip will be reduced from 900+ to 750+ at end game. Losing the reduction of stuns/slows by 25% isn't great, but also not TOO terrible. Will mainly hurt his escapability. But at least he still isn't a tank and still isn't a heavy damage dealer, and is no longer the fastest natural champ in the game. Sheesh. Posted by Stranger on Mar. 07 2013,12:59
anyone got plans to be on tonight?
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 07 2013,13:49
It's possible I am just out for the night, but I'm hoping to be on by 10. It's possible that I get on earlier, but I'm not promising anything.
Posted by Trooper on Mar. 07 2013,14:09
I'm on.
Posted by Trooper on Mar. 07 2013,19:05
Where did Gordo go? Thought he said he was up to play tonight!
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 08 2013,07:03
I'll be on all weekend, although probably 10ish each night (kids are up later on weekends). Last night, once I got home, ate, got the kid to bed, etc. it was 11. I just called it a night. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 08 2013,07:46
I checked back at 10. Cake had gone to bed. Leisher wasn't around.Stranger gave me shit for not being able to play "without your boyfriend." I called his mother a whore. I lose often enough with the entire team available and on voice. I don't need to also lose with a bunch of people I don't know. +++++++++ I plan on being on tonight. Leisher, man up and tell your wife to handle things for one night and be on by 9:30. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 08 2013,08:59
QUOTE Leisher, man up and tell your wife to handle things for one night and be on by 9:30. It has nothing to do with "manning up". I like my kids. Beyond that, there's a 90% chance that even if 5 people got on this forum today and pledged to all be on at 9:30 exactly, there would still be at least one person who isn't ready until 10. So, I'm not going to skip out on a few minutes with my kids, AND owe my wife a night where I put them to bed while she sits down stairs just so I can sit in voice chat listening to you bitch about whomever isn't on yet. While I'm in a LoL mood... 1. We ran into a very difficult team comp the other night. Even split pushing, we were easily killed due to the constant stuns. What could we have done differently? Is that a comp we should look into as well? Should we just add Taric to our ban list for ranked, so we can only be hit by that team comp in normal? Taric + Sion = pretty impossible duo. Perhaps that should be our junglers? 2. I am not happy with my Teemo build right now. I'm not sure if I should be rushing to the big AP stick or BotRK first. I've been heading the AP route, but I'm going to try the BotRK route first tonight. It'll give me attack speed, attack damage, and sustain early. Plus it might fool our opponents into thinking I'm going AD, and thus, they may avoid magic resist items early on... 3. I'll work on another AP mid, but I also don't see a reason I can't go Ez, Ashe (she got a great buff), or MF mid too. This would be especially effective if we had double stunning junglers. 4. I think that Volibear/Singed lineup we had the other night was great for our hit and run style. Both could close gaps, and both make enemies prioritize running over fighting. The funny part of that is they rarely get away, which means pretty easy kills with little damage taken. Would a Volibear/Singed/Sion/Taric/Ezreal team be too tanky? Posted by GORDON on Mar. 08 2013,09:05
Yeah, I don't like my kid because sometimes the wife puts him to bed without me!
Posted by Trooper on Mar. 08 2013,10:02
I'll be on tonight. Randy doesn't like me playing bottom anymore, so I guess that position is now open? Not sure where that'll put me, but i'm ready for whatever.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 08 2013,10:40
(GORDON @ Mar. 08 2013,12:05) QUOTE Yeah, I don't like my kid because sometimes the wife puts him to bed without me! I didn't know which response to go with, so feel free to pick one: -Call me when you have two more kids to put to bed each night. -It's a bit early to be developing guilt over your bad parenting isn't it? -If I find out you're slacking on your other parental responsibilities, I'll take my kid out of that home. -I must be the only one in our group who let's his kid(s) interfere with his LoL time. Imagine if I had to get up with them in the mornings! I'd never be able to play late, and would probably get grumpy when folks aren't on early! QUOTE Randy doesn't like me playing bottom anymore Actually, I think you were fine there the other night with Volibear, and I think you'd probably do well with Taric/Sion (hold your stun until the enemy gets frisky, then stun their damage dealer while you retreat). If I might be blunt, I think Cake is not enjoying the complaints when you get run over. I think your approach to bot, in the double jungle lineup is wrong. 1. Change your mentality. You're not building a champ that's getting 100 kills. You're building a tank, and preferably one that will be critical in ganks and team fights via a stun or AOE. 2. Don't be in a huge rush to get to bot when the game starts. Let the enemy push the minions into your turret. That's where you want them. If they're pushed, let your junglers know there's gank potential. Once they're dead, and your lane gets pushed a bit, perhaps leave lane to join a gank in mid or top, unless you guys decide the turret needs to go down. 3. Play defensive. DO NOT HARASS! Save all of your mana and summoner spells for when they try to dive you. Go all out at their ADC. If you can kill that person, even if you die, it's more of a win for us because their damage dealer is now losing farm. 4. Choose the right champ for the job. Volibear worked out well, and with the current health meta, he's everywhere. Sion/Taric are tanks with stuns. Lux can be a damage dealer AND she has a stun, a slow/aoe attack for waves and champs, and a global ult. Soraka can be a total bitch to deal with if she's dropping her aoe attacks and is built to deal damage that way. This will sound crazy, but Heimerdinger might even work. He has an aoe blind and turrets that a good Heimer can use to control an area. Just try different ones until we find the one(s) that's right for you. 5. Don't play to win your lane. Play to not lose it. Oh, and on a personal note, junglers H-A-T-E hearing how a lane never sees ganks during the game. Even if it's true, it's all in how you point it out. Don't yell, scream, curse, sound defeated, be accusatory, etc. Simply say something like, "bot is positioned for a gank". The jungler should then respond with whether or not they can make it just then, and when. If they can't, deal with it, but don't die to save a single turret. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 08 2013,10:42
I'm always on.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 08 2013,10:52
I choose this one.(Leisher @ Mar. 08 2013,13:40) QUOTE -If I find out you're slacking on your other parental responsibilities, I'll take my kid out of that home.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 08 2013,10:53
(TheCatt @ Mar. 08 2013,13:42) QUOTE I'm always on. Do you partake? Posted by Trooper on Mar. 08 2013,11:34
I'm going to give something a try tonight that Cake mentioned a few nights ago during one of our long pointless and angry discussions ;] heheh
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 08 2013,11:56
QUOTE I'm going to give something a try tonight that Cake mentioned a few nights ago If it fails, please try my suggestion. Posted by Trooper on Mar. 08 2013,14:46
(Leisher @ Mar. 08 2013,11:56) QUOTE QUOTE I'm going to give something a try tonight that Cake mentioned a few nights ago If it fails, please try my suggestion. I will! Cake mentioned Sion aswell, in more of a snarky way than anything. . . Regardless, I'll be trying it. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 09 2013,08:11
Sorry I disappeared last night.We got new carpet on Monday. Last night the wife came home from being out drinking and found our son puking his taco supper all over the new carpet. She started flipping her shit and it got pretty intense. Spent about 2 hours scrubbing puke carpet instead of playing. Lots of fun. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 09 2013,08:25
(GORDON @ Mar. 08 2013,13:53) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Mar. 08 2013,13:42) QUOTE I'm always on. Do you partake? I would help your team the most by being on the other team. But, no, I don't actually play. But if I did, I'd just make things worse. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 09 2013,09:59
If you want to learn, you can join us. It would benefit us in the matchmaking system by (usually) putting us against ANOTHER team that also has a noob or two. So it sin't like you wouldn't always be going up against pros or anything.It is a time suck, though. Don't start if you can't commit. ;-) Posted by Leisher on Mar. 09 2013,12:08
QUOTE Sorry I disappeared last night. We were glad to hear that you didn't have a true emergency. Although, you should know that after much deliberation, the group figured the emergency that was the gimp had gotten loose. As for the games last night... QUOTE I will! Cake mentioned Sion aswell, in more of a snarky way than anything. . . Regardless, I'll be trying it. I never saw Sion, Volibear, Taric, etc. nor anything I suggested. I saw you play TF, and then go mid with Ryze. Although we didn't have success in the games you played TF, I liked your ability to get around the board. I didn't like Ryze as much. In fact, I question playing Ryze since Gordo is playing him as well. I mean, it's fine if we have guys familiar with the same champ, but if we're trying to make Gordo not be as reliant on Singed, why take his secondary champ from him? We REALLY need to examine our team comp and figure out how we compliment one another. The teams that dominate us have heavy CC and AOE. We handle everyone else. You'd think after playing this game for so long, we'd have this figured out. I'm going to break our losses down into three simple things: 1. Enemy team comp. Sometimes there is simply nothing we can do about it. The pros don't face this issue because they don't play normal blind. We can't prevent our counter a Taric/Sion combo via normal blind. 2. Early feeding. We will never get really successful until we stop feeding. This applies to everyone. Those of us not paying attention, not warding, chasing, doing stupid things, making stupid decisions, fighting unwillable fights, etc. We need to stop giving teams 10+ kill leads. Fighting from behind can be fun, but good teams don't let teams come back. 3. Not pushing our advantage. Gordo missed the last game of the night, but that was absolute text book. The enemy team never recovered from our early success and we simply didn't let up. We didn't stall pushes, go back to shop every time we could afford one new item, we met them on our terms, etc. It resulted in one of the fastest surrenders I've seen in a while. Two of us never even died. Posted by Trooper on Mar. 09 2013,14:12
I played Ryze simply as an example. First game was tough, as everybody was feeding. Second game, very easy to show what Ryze COULD do with the proper build procedures and play. Its all about the chalice right off the bat, and using all that extra mana regen + blue every now and then to farm farm farm farm farm farm farm. 100 by 15 minutes, 200 by 30 minutes. This will allow you to then rush ROTA and so on. . . .
Posted by Trooper on Mar. 09 2013,14:16
And if I may, seeing as Tim only plays Teemo, gimme a mid a few games? Lets see what happens. Singed is more than capable of running against 2 champions, and Teemo is a viable top as always. I'm just not good with the 2v1 and I'm tired of always failing and being blamed for my "unsteady" play. People don't seem to be interested in the "learning" process, so, somebody with more experience run it! I'll do what I know. 1v1.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 09 2013,15:43
Wow, now I am doubly sad I had to drop out, I missed getting schooled on how to play Ryze by someone who doesn't suck.
Posted by Trooper on Mar. 09 2013,17:05
(GORDON @ Mar. 09 2013,15:43) QUOTE Wow, now I am doubly sad I had to drop out, I missed getting schooled on how to play Ryze by someone who doesn't suck. Gordon 1 Scooty -9000 Posted by GORDON on Mar. 09 2013,18:15
QUOTE Second game, very easy to show what Ryze COULD do with the proper build procedures and play. Since I did it all wrong. Got it. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 10 2013,15:55
FYI to all. I'm stepping down as team captain and handing it over to Scooty. And as his first act as team captain, I have been kicked off the team.But seriously. I am letting him run the show from now on. So all tactical/strategical/etc questions should be directed at him. And I don't think I'm really kicked off the team, but, he did say that. I'm sure he'll be communicating any changes in the near future. Thank you. Posted by Trooper on Mar. 10 2013,15:56
We're going back to meta, and me and Leisher will be running bottom lane. I'll be taking Taric, Cake can go mid, Stranger Jungle, Gordo top. I'd request a MF as a lane partner? MF and Taric work amazing together.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 10 2013,16:09
I quit.I think I quit. Posted by Trooper on Mar. 10 2013,16:18
Yeah I don't get this at all either. Hes just bein a drama queen.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 10 2013,16:29
I still quit, but if I hadn't quit I was going to say that I think it is OK to not do double jungle now and then, either as a response to their responding to it* or just to break us out of the routine of it.*** Last night, the last game, they were pretty quick to pull one of the 2 damage peeps they had hammering me, so they had 2 peeps in the jungle responding to our double junglers. We never compensated for that by switching back to unbalance them again. ** I think we sometimes get into a routine of doing things a certain way and are slower to respond to changing battlefield conditions. But I quit so it doesn't matter. uninstalled LOL and Steam. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 10 2013,17:35
And Steam? That's a bit too far.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 10 2013,18:03
(TheCatt @ Mar. 10 2013,20:35) QUOTE And Steam? That's a bit too far. And all my browsers. Fuck it. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 10 2013,18:14
I'm waiting for DTMan to go down.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 10 2013,18:15
(GORDON @ Mar. 10 2013,20:03) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Mar. 10 2013,20:35) QUOTE And Steam? That's a bit too far. And all my browsers. Fuck it. Then he degaussed his hard disk. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 10 2013,18:16
And I tweaked the p-ram, and glazed...
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 10 2013,18:34
Then he launched all his computer components into a supermassive black hole and lobotomized himself so he'd never be tempted to use technology again.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 10 2013,18:36
Because fuck this game.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 10 2013,18:42
With a few exceptions, I had more fun doing 4x4 Halo with 7 other people I knew in the same house than any other game instance that required a random matchmaking service.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 10 2013,18:42
Someone need a hug?
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 10 2013,18:56
Gordo has his plague cats to subdue his rage.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 10 2013,19:33
Plague cats have all met their makers.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 11 2013,08:55
![]() Posted by GORDON on Mar. 11 2013,17:54
It is my understanding that half the team is out tonight for their weekly Monday night all-man gay orgy bareback sexpile.As such, I will just watch some DVRd Walking Deads. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 11 2013,18:09
(GORDON @ Mar. 11 2013,19:54) QUOTE As such, I will just watch some DVRd Walking Deads. You mean you don't have to obsessively watch them the exact time they premiere, thereby cutting into precious gaming time? Wow. Such technology exists. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 11 2013,18:24
(Malcolm @ Mar. 11 2013,21:09) QUOTE (GORDON @ Mar. 11 2013,19:54) QUOTE As such, I will just watch some DVRd Walking Deads. You mean you don't have to obsessively watch them the exact time they premiere, thereby cutting into precious gaming time? Wow. Such technology exists. I KNOW! I have often lamented that more people around here don't know how to time shift. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 11 2013,21:49
The first thing people talk about at the weekly Monday night all-man gay orgy bareback sexpile is The Walking Dead. I like to avoid spoilers, thus I watch the show. Plus, that's the show I watch with the wife. So there's QT there as well. You'd think that 6 days of the week is enough, but apparently, you need more men in your life. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 12 2013,08:11
We have company every week and watch it together. I guess I could game with it on in the back ground.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 12 2013,09:47
I WILL be on by 9:30. Probably sooner. If we've got 5, let's just go right to ranked. You guys decide if you want to double jungle or go back to the meta. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 12 2013,10:26
I'll be ready to go at 9:30 and am down for any play style, position and champ.
Posted by Trooper on Mar. 12 2013,11:22
Apparently I'm the new leader. We'll discuss this in chat tonight before we start. Its going to be up to what everybody else thinks, so I guess we'll take a pole or what not and figure this out.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 12 2013,12:14
There has never been a leader. There has been an autonomous collective that would defer to the judgment of someone else from time to time. I don't think anyone here is going to respond well to someone being "in charge." Cake can't "quit being leader" because he never had the job. The first time someone gives me an order I am gone. Except this time for real. :-) And I think I speak for everyone else here. SO. Game on. Posted by Trooper on Mar. 12 2013,12:19
Somebody has to lead the charges and make the calls/orders. That's just how this game works.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 12 2013,12:19
Oh is that how the game works?
Posted by Trooper on Mar. 12 2013,13:37
This can be discussed in chat tonight aswell. Whatever the team thinks should happen, that's what we'll do. If people want someone calling the shots and giving orders, we'll do that. If not, we won't. We're a team, so we all have to have a say in what we do towards making our Team ELO rise. We'll get wrecked in tournaments if we can't agree on things and make certain decisions. Communicate, that's what we have to do. Got a problem with something? Think something needs to change? Voice it tonight before we get going, that way it can be discussed and a verdict can be reached.
Posted by Stranger on Mar. 12 2013,13:43
ive got band practice tonight, shouldn't affect me being on by 9:30 but definetly no later than 10.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 12 2013,13:55
I'll think about it. There's no way in hell I will have someone barking orders at me, but maybe I'll get bored enough to pop in.I don't think "tact" runs in the Cakedaddy genetic line. Let me know how it all works out. ;-) Posted by GORDON on Mar. 12 2013,14:34
Here's a little lesson about leading this group of ex vets.We don't have a "leader." Cake can't resign from that position, because it doesn't exist. We USUALLY defer to his judgment on situations from time to time, but not 100% always. We are all free to call the ball when we see an opportunity. I frequently say, "Push this lane" when I see a good situation. I frequently say, "Leaving this group to cover top" when we are getting beaten in team fights and we need to be split pushing. I also frequently ask for advice if I am not sure what I should be doing at any particular moment. I sometimes make a call and don't get the help I was expecting. We don't like anyone saying "I am in charge now." You would have a better chance if Cake hadn't said anything about putting you "in charge," and tonight just saying, "Hey guys, there is a strategy I want to try that is hard to explain, so how about let me call the shots in-game in this one, and we'll see how it goes?" You would have had unanimous acceptance. That would not have been bossy. That would have used tact to get people to do what you wanted them to do. If you want a group with a clear chain of command, this aint the one. Also, I aint quitting shit. This is the group I have been gaming with for about 20 years. If there are problems with people who have problems with authority, then that's too bad. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 12 2013,18:24
I've been called the team leader in many posts. So, we actually have had a team leader. I'm just so good at making you do what I want that you don't even notice it.It is funny that Scooty: 1. Thought I had the power to name him as leader. 2. Didn't try to fight it at all and ran with it. :-) Living with Scooty, and playing this game is getting hard. :-) So, rather than being told how everything is being done wrong, and how we should all play like him because he's the best at everything, I figured I'd just play the game the best I can and go with the flow. I told him I had three options: 1. Not play the game any more. 2. Not play the game with him. 3. Or not be team leader. For the record, he doesn't trash all of us. He just has a 15 minute explanation about how I am wrong and he is right. It's getting old. :-) Plus, he's back to changing lanes and champs again. It's hard to have a team plan when it's so hard to keep everyone on it. I feel like a little league football coach where all the dads come to me with suggestions on how I could be running the team better. Except there is only one dad and none of my kids listen to me. heheh Posted by Leisher on Mar. 13 2013,09:24
Looks like there's a patch dropping tonight. No word on what will be included, but Singed and Taric nerfs are rumored. Hey Stranger, do you buy the Ravenous Hydra for Hec? Posted by Stranger on Mar. 13 2013,10:02
(Leisher @ Mar. 13 2013,12:24) QUOTE Hey Stranger, do you buy the Ravenous Hydra for Hec? No, i don't. I have been going with the Iceborn Guantlet for my last item, it just gives him everything he needs. I would consider it after my core build because it would work nice on him. I just find that items that give some tankieness along with damage are the best for him. Because when his W is on cooldown he is actually quite squishy. I wouldn't mind trying it sometime though, i was building it on Shyvanna and i liked using it with her. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 13 2013,11:12
About time they nerfed Singed! As one of the lesser-played characters, they should be doing all they can to make him even less played. I mean, they reason you rarely see him now is because everyone knows he is OP and needs to be nerfed so they don't choose him just to be fair to the other team.
Posted by Trooper on Mar. 13 2013,14:09
Singed is like Volibear, except way less cool cause he's not a bear. Bears eat beets. Bears, beets, battlestar galactica. . . < For those who fail to recognize the refrence. . . > Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 13 2013,21:36
FYI: We aren't rated on TT yet. So we are getting a mix of enemies. Which explains the first two games.So we are 1:3 right now with that win. Not sure if we want to win any more before being put in a bracket. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 13 2013,21:51
Ryze shuts down Singed.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 14 2013,07:52
Last night was fun. It was frustrating shaking off the rust, and learning the hard way not to play an immobile champ against a solid diving team, but game three I thought we were back on the same page as a team. I will be on tonight and should be on around 9-10 Friday. Saturday is questionable. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 14 2013,08:13
As Ryze, top against Singed, I bought 2 heal potions right when the game started. 7 minutes later, Singed still hadn't touched me and I still had both potions. I eventually just let a wave of minions hit me before they got to the turret so the turret wouldn't steal the kills, and I used the 2 potions to heal the minion damage and free up the inventory slot.As for the really funny, "I hate when the enemy Singed is better" comment, the problem is that when I am Singed I usually don't have 2 enemy peeps feeding me hard. He ended the game with something like 12 kills, and only 1 or 2 was from me, and I was the squishy one. The first time he killed me I looked at the stats and that was when I said, "How in the hell does Singed have 8 kills?" So put your funny little sayings in a sack, those of you who have funny things to say about my Singed. Posted by Stranger on Mar. 14 2013,12:07
< http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs....on-buff >Interesting article on the Baron buff. i never really knew exactly what it did, and we should be more conscience of getting it whenever we can. We've been better at dragon so its a start. BTW.. i will be on tonight too Posted by Leisher on Mar. 14 2013,13:50
QUOTE As for the really funny, "I hate when the enemy Singed is better" comment, the problem is that when I am Singed I usually don't have 2 enemy peeps feeding me hard. He ended the game with something like 12 kills, and only 1 or 2 was from me, and I was the squishy one. The first time he killed me I looked at the stats and that was when I said, "How in the hell does Singed have 8 kills?" Just out of curiosity, have you considered what it means that Singed got 8 kills, and you didn't realize he was getting them until after he killed you the first time? Did you also happen to notice that your Teemo was getting fed, and that we won that game? Also, as an FYI, Teemo is the squishy one, not Ryze. QUOTE About time they nerfed Singed! As one of the lesser-played characters, they should be doing all they can to make him even less played. We played 3 ranked TT games last night. Singed was in all three, and you didn't get him in at least 2 of those games. Just sayin'... QUOTE So put your funny little sayings in a sack, those of you who have funny things to say about my Singed. You have "Singed hubris". Posted by GORDON on Mar. 14 2013,14:03
(Leisher @ Mar. 14 2013,16:50) QUOTE QUOTE As for the really funny, "I hate when the enemy Singed is better" comment, the problem is that when I am Singed I usually don't have 2 enemy peeps feeding me hard. He ended the game with something like 12 kills, and only 1 or 2 was from me, and I was the squishy one. The first time he killed me I looked at the stats and that was when I said, "How in the hell does Singed have 8 kills?" Just out of curiosity, have you considered what it means that Singed got 8 kills, and you didn't realize he was getting them until after he killed you the first time? I can think of a couple things it means. 1. I was constantly saying "Singed is missing" and peeps were still exposed. 2. It was my first time in the top row on the new TT and I didn't have much a clue what I was doing. I eventually started coming to the bottom row, but it isn't exactly second nature to me. 3. As such, I was so focused on playing an unfamiliar champ in an unfamiliar role in an unfamiliar lane that I couldn't focus a lot of attention of how my teammates were doing. In my own defense, I responded every time you guys called me for help... which I believe was zero times. And no, I was so fazed by the game overall that I didn't notice that Teemo was fed. No idea what the final scores were, but I knew I wasn't the feeder. It was more like, "OK Gordo be sure to hit your ult this time before the attack not like last time when you forgot." But by the end of the game I wasn't forgetting. All in all, I really liked taking Ryze top. But don't criticize me for defending myself for a comment that was directed at me. Cake drew first blood, not me. In this topic, not the game. No idea who got first blood in game. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 14 2013,14:12
(Leisher @ Mar. 14 2013,16:50) QUOTE You have "Singed hubris". I have a great Singed. It is how I keep all of you interested and satisfied. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 14 2013,14:17
My point is, their Singed went 8/0/something, and ours never does that. . . I've said before, it seems you play more of a support Singed. You don't score many kills, but you enable a fair amount.Top lane on TT is all about ganking. Ever notice how often I'm coming down to make something happen? I push my lane out a bit then sneak on down. Go back top, push lane back, repeat. That's what their Singed was doing. Which this time I'm not judging you, just saying. I'm not going to tease you for learning something new and missing some stuff. Now, 20 games from now, if you still aren't doing it. . . I'm going to tease you. :-) But ganking from top lane is easy on TT cause it's so close. We should probably gank from bottom lane more often too. And I wasn't used to play against Singed on TT. By third game, had him more figured out. Even with his 8 kills, we still kept him under control (he got 5 more kills the rest of the game) and we won the game. Singed ain't sheeeiiit. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 14 2013,14:31
(Cakedaddy @ Mar. 14 2013,17:17) QUOTE My point is, their Singed went 8/0/something, and ours never does that. . . I've said before, it seems you play more of a support Singed. You don't score many kills, but you enable a fair amount.. A few nights ago on SR my Singed, solo bottom against 2 guys, was something like 12/1/10. Because, as I said then, I had enemy peeps willing to feed. If I recall, that team surrendered pretty quick. But usually peeps don't want to feed me and I'm like WTF REPORT. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 14 2013,14:33
As for my top-lane, ganking, well yeah Singed was able to push minions and come down, because his gas clears entire waves in 4 seconds. Ryze doesn't have that ability, and unless I burn my ult/bouncy balls he can't clear minions very fast. Thus, they were always pushed to my turret and I wasn't free to come down and try to gank unless I was willing to let the turret take damage.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 14 2013,15:22
Then why didn't you just be Singed top?
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 14 2013,18:30
What?
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 15 2013,10:56
1. We suck and will always suck.2. We should be sure to play out our series tonight, in case there actually are Singed nerfs coming down the pike. Of course, by saying that, everyone we play tonight will pick Singed before we do. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 15 2013,15:18
I could be reading it wrong, but I think we are currently ranked #1 in Bronze V.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 15 2013,15:57
Agreed. There are four teams in the promotion series. We won our first one, two others have lost one and there's one team that hasn't played a game yet. So, we are ahead of them because we have a win. We are also still ahead of BlackKnightsofBrittania who are in Sixth place.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 15 2013,15:59
Also, Theo thought he was the first on the team to get a triple kill. He was not. That was our third one. We have had no quadras or penta though. I think he thought he was the first because we have zero in the third multi kill slot, which is Quadra.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 15 2013,17:05
Bought Rammus a long time ago to play with. Tried him again tonight. Not bad.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 15 2013,17:49
When I was trying Rammus out our team had a hard time coordinating with his taunt. Rammus would taunt and no one would follow through with taking out everyone who was taunted.Maybe everybody else has learned to suck less since then. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 15 2013,18:39
Rammus only taunts one person. So, maybe you were using him wrong. :-)
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 15 2013,18:46
I meant multiple times. I couldn't EVER get anyone to take out the guy I taunted because I was, apparently, taunting the wrong person.Sometimes you people really piss me off. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 15 2013,20:20
Can't you literally taunt them over voice?
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 15 2013,20:58
Nah, it's an actual ability in game. You "taunt" them and they auto-attack you for X amount of time. Basically ties them up for that time period so they can't evade.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 16 2013,17:01
Is anyone in tonight?
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 18 2013,11:50
There's a new ARAM map coming soon. I'm sure Gordon is chomping at the bit to play it. Unless I get busted early, I am out tonight. I should be on Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday though. (Might be 10ish Wed.) Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2013,09:35
Anyone else on tonight?
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2013,09:44
I will, but this week will be later for me. Kid is in the school play, it starts this weekend, so this week is late dress rehearsals and whatnot. 10-10:30 for me for the next few days.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2013,10:29
QUOTE I will, but this week will be later for me. Kid is in the school play, it starts this weekend, so this week is late dress rehearsals and whatnot. 10-10:30 for me for the next few days. Well, on behalf of everyone who has had real life/family/work issues cause them to be late... "You are such an asshole! We're sick of waiting for you to get on!" (Although to keep others from getting too high on their horse...he's letting us know in advance...) Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2013,11:34
Getting on later means you love your kids more. Isn't that the new rule?
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2013,11:40
I think only someone with severe parental guilt could reach that conclusion.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2013,11:43
I made a decision a minute ago.I am going to write it up in my will that when I die, my tombstone reads, "Here lies Gordo. Leisher loves the cock. So does Cakedaddy" Except using your real names. Really dumb and immature, but goddam, it's like I am almost looking forward to death just so I can get that headstone up. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2013,11:53
You won't have the balls. Plus, I'd love it. I'd be immortalized permanently in a way that people ARE going to talk about. People with IQs above 10 will know your little statement is an insult (and imagine if they research my love life to confirm...I LOVE the idea of future people looking into all the women I've slept with. I don't know if anyone could ever get me a better gift.), so the historians will be wondering if you were a petty man or if this was some sort of joke. Now get serious about this because I think you've got 2, maybe 3 years left. I base that on your ability to stay awake and not be crotchety. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2013,11:58
Revision"Here lies Gordo. Leisher loves the cock. Follow the trail of herpes for proof. Cakedaddy loves the cock too, but was never able to find a dude willing to give it to him so there is no trail to follow." Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2013,12:11
Still the best gift ever. Sadly, your herpes line gives you an immediate lack of credibility. I'm sure by the time your tombstone is relevant our medical records will all be public. Someone standing at your grave will be able to instantly look up my lack of herpes. As for your rip on Cakedaddy, you lose credibility there too. I'm sure his doctor's notes contain information about him losing his rectal cherry... Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2013,12:40
"Here lies Gordo. He was awesome.His buddy Leisher loved the cock. His grave is at *GPS Coordinates* Leave dildos there in lieu of flowers. Cakedaddy was.. .something. *GPS Coordinates*" Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2013,12:52
STILL the best gift ever. (You honestly aren't getting past that.)Also, considering you'll be dead long before I will, those coordinates will have to be tacked on later. I'm betting that never happens. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2013,12:58
I'm not saying it wouldn't be an awesome gift. Be even better if there was some NATIONAL TREASURE style runaround with gps coordinates all over the place.And why would you think I am not the type of person to do something like that? If my last act on the planet can be to insult and degrade my friends, why, I would move mountains to make that happen. My offsprings might be embarrassed by it... but I plan on raising my son right, so he will think it is hilarious. Perhaps suggest Cakedaddy was a big fan of being on the receiving end of bukake, and his grave is at *GPS Coordinates* Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2013,13:03
QUOTE Be even better if there was some NATIONAL TREASURE style runaround with gps coordinates all over the place. I don't understand why nobody is working on this right now. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2013,13:04
(Leisher @ Mar. 19 2013,16:03) QUOTE QUOTE Be even better if there was some NATIONAL TREASURE style runaround with gps coordinates all over the place. I don't understand why nobody is working on this right now. I think we are. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2013,13:41
So besides you and I, nobody else chimed in to say they're getting on tonight or would be off. I hate them all. And what happened to Trooper. One minute he's the fucking LoL ambassador, the next he's completely disappeared. Posted by Stranger on Mar. 19 2013,13:47
im not sure yet if ill be able to get on tonight. Sure will try to be though
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 19 2013,14:17
I'll be on if others are. Wouldn't complain if they weren't either. Wife wants to play more Torchlight II. Scooty will not be on. His RL is taking him afk again. Will be another extended absence.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2013,17:13
Then I'm not playing tonight. Too many questionable folks.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2013,18:07
I'm home early. So whatever.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 19 2013,18:44
I'm not questionable. Just saying I'm not dependent on it.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2013,21:42
So we're in Bronze IV in 3v3 and there are two teams that struck me as funny in our division:TwoBrosandStranger glad we aren't ronnie Ha! Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 19 2013,22:12
Yep Bronze IV. Seems when we don't have the anchor that is the rest of our team, we can really excel.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 20 2013,05:09
BazingBAM.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 20 2013,13:27
Reminder: I won't be available until about 10:30 tonight. If no one is on then, I will assume no one is playing this evening.
Posted by Trooper on Mar. 20 2013,14:47
I KNOW WHAT PANDO IS! Its a service that League of Legends uses. What it is, what it does. . .etc haven't gotta clue. Just saw it pop-up while I was reinstalling my League of Legends Client as one of the files downloaded.
Posted by Trooper on Mar. 20 2013,14:47
Pando Media Booster is it's full name.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 20 2013,21:46
As for our difference of opinion...In the first 3 minutes, 2 fights happened that started as a 2v1, our advantage. < http://www.dtman.com/covert/Gordonopolis_Ryze.lrf > In one, Jax jumped you not knowing I was in the weeds. You immediately pulled back as I stunned Jax and attacked. This is when Khazix appeared and engaged you. But, I had attacked Jax, you flashed out, and both of them targeted me. If you had targeted Jax with me, the outcome of that fight may have been different. The second fight was under their turret. Granted, you were wounded, but I stunned Khazix and attacked, leaving him with 260ish health. You immediately pulled back as Jax appeared. You were gone, so both attacked me. I said I was going to be aggressive with my stun/attack/melee, as soon as I hit level 2. You didn't say anything so I thought you were going to back me up. At level 2 Ryze can do about 350 points of damage instantly, with a stun added in. Another 200 damage 3 seconds later. But he needs support because he runs slow and squishy. Me starting that game out 0/4/0 without any kills at all for our team is what killed us. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 20 2013,22:22
I can't open that file at the moment. My version of LoLReplay is too old. QUOTE In one, Jax jumped you not knowing I was in the weeds. You immediately pulled back as I stunned Jax and attacked. This is when Khazix appeared and engaged you. But, I had attacked Jax, you flashed out, and both of them targeted me. If you had targeted Jax with me, the outcome of that fight may have been different. You are vastly overestimating the damage Ashe can take. She is one of the squishiest champs in the game, but at least she has ZERO escape abilities! Go look at how quickly she got melted each fight. Look at who they focused every time there was a team fight. You know what abilities I have at lvl 2? Eagle Eye, which reveals the map and gives me additional gold for all kills, and the 6 arrow shot that has a 15 second cooldown, which if I remember correctly, I had just used. So I was down to autoattacks. Take a look and see what kind of damage my autoattacks were doing. I honestly don't know, but I had boots and a Doran's blade, so...not much. Like I said, with Teemo, it'd be different. He's better in early fights thanks to his blind, but Ashe isn't standing with two bruisers. Both of whom you admit were targeting me, until I left the fight. QUOTE The second fight was under their turret. Granted, you were wounded, but I stunned Khazix and attacked, leaving him with 260ish health. You immediately pulled back as Jax appeared. You were gone, so both attacked me. Again, look at levels, builds, etc. We were pushed WAY too far with no eyes on Jax, who has the ability to jump over walls, which he did. We're also not talking. Why are we trying to engage an enemy at his turret at low level? Particularly enemies that have stronger early games than we do? WE, as in all of us, are playing way too aggressively. QUOTE I said I was going to be aggressive with my stun/attack/melee, as soon as I hit level 2. You didn't say anything so I thought you were going to back me up. Actually, I said "ok", but I thought you meant harassing. I wish we had a replay of our chat because I even thought you said that. If you plan on killing folks, we need to call out targets before we make moves or we're not coordinated. You stunned Veigar early, but I had no clue it was coming and was actually pulling back when you did it or I would have shot him a few times. QUOTE At level 2 Ryze can do about 350 points of damage instantly, with a stun added in. Another 200 damage 3 seconds later. That Veigar I just mentioned didn't look that hurt. If he was, our bad for not talking about the attack first or maybe we get the kill there. If he wasn't, then perhaps those numbers are off or you're not considering all the variables like MR? And when you did stun him, was Kha'zix right there, and a minion wave? (Trying to remember...) Listen, at no point am I sitting here blaming you for the loss or anything. It's a team game, and nobody played well tonight. My complaint is us ALWAYS putting ourselves into a hole and trying to play out of it. We should just start games by giving the enemy team an extra 3K in gold. QUOTE But he needs support because he runs slow and squishy. Me starting that game out 0/4/0 without any kills at all for our team is what killed us. Again, Ashe is far squishier than Ryze. In fact, I've heard Ryze referred to as the "Tank Mage" lots of times. Now here's the part that I have to ask about and don't take this the wrong way, but are you implying I was the support champ? Because if so, then I NEVER would have selected an ADC for her AS so I could build LS...as a support... I would have taken a tank/bruiser. If not, then why do you think you, specifically, going 0/4/0 is what lost us the game? If you're the support, you're not the one who should be getting the kills...right? Whomever is the damage dealer needs to be the one getting the farm and the kills. Ganks and attacks need to be setup around them. They're the one the good teams are going to focus. Obviously, we can have more than one, but we shouldn't be in lane together unless fast pushing or ganking. And that sums up what I thought of tonight: A complete breakdown of everything we know about the game and how we normally play. Seriously, what were we thinking with two squishies with no escape abilities together? We just did everything wrong tonight. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 21 2013,06:10
Everything you just said has merit. I wish we could play the exact same game but do what I see in my head to see if it would work, then I could just shut the fuck up about it when I was wrong.I know our mantra is, "Run, and don't give up kills," and for the most part I agree with that, but sometimes, from time to time, I think we would be better off trying to fight our way through trouble instead of just running. Now and then we encounter teams that just cut right through us... I'd love to be that team. "Run, don't give up kills" doesn't really work for us anyway, though, does it. We are almost always behind in kills. Frequently by a lot. Maybe we need to rethink our entire lineup and strategy. Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 21 2013,09:02
Here's how I saw that fight:Gordon hiding in weeds waiting for opportunity, Leisher farming minions. All good. Jax jumps past Gordon in weeds on to Leisher in lane. Jax kicks the shit out of Ashe at this level, Leisher MUST pull back. Less than a second later, Leisher sees Kha coming from above. Kha attacks Ashe, Jax is stunned. Leisher flashes away as Kha turns to focus Gordon. Gordon finishes his dump doing 250 of 750 points of damage and retreats up into the jungle. Leisher immediately responds by heading up into jungle as well. By the time Gordon makes it into Ashe's range, he's very hurt almost dead. I responded late to the fight as no one called anything out. I noticed stuff in the mini map. In my opinion, as soon as Jax made a move 1v2, you KNOW he's got back up. Had Leisher stayed, the combined attack from Jax and Kha would have killed him. Jax is dodging Ashe's basic attacks and then stuns. And, looking at the video again: Ryze stuns Jax and dumps, including dropping ignite. Does a total of 250 points of damage to Jax. Very much lower than the 350 points you think you are doing. Kha and Jax turn on Ryze and Ryze is running away. Jax and Kha chase. They do not land their attacks until Ryze crosses the middle buff area thing. And that's when Ashe is getting back into the fight. In less than 4 seconds, Ryze is dead and that's including Ryze dropping another stun. They still caught and killed. The biggest problem for us is people not knowing how any exchange is going to go. Before any fight starts, we should be able to say in our heads "I'm going to do X amount of damage to him, he's going to do Y amount to me". And when X is greater than Y, you attack. Too many times, an engagement starts with "I'm not sure how this is going to turn out, but I hope it works out better for me, but if it doesn't, I'll just start running away and escape". Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 21 2013,09:05
Also, I would like to see Leisher use Ashe's eagle more often. There were times when he would over extend and get caught. An eagle shot into the jungle above before/as you were heading out would have tipped you off and saved you. Before heading into the unknown, use the eagle shot.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 22 2013,08:29
I'm on tonight.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 22 2013,09:20
10:30ish for me, but I can go late.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 22 2013,10:05
I'm in.
Posted by Stranger on Mar. 22 2013,13:56
im prolly gonna be out.. ive got a few family things to do and i've gotta work tmrow.. bummer. saturday night should be a go though
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 22 2013,13:59
We need to find new team mates.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 22 2013,15:19
Good ones this time.
Posted by Stranger on Mar. 22 2013,18:34
I might still be able to play tonight. Just not too late
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 23 2013,14:08
I will be on tonight, but it will be late. No earlier than 11.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 23 2013,16:50
I'm available.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 23 2013,17:35
Ditto
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 23 2013,19:38
Looking like 11:30. Going to go get pizza.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 23 2013,20:01
You know they invented delivery, don't you?
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 23 2013,20:56
(Cakedaddy @ Mar. 23 2013,23:01) QUOTE You know they invented delivery, don't you? We are at the edge of everybody's delivery ranges, and are hard to find. Easier to just go get it so it is there in a timely fashion, and still hot. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 26 2013,13:07
I will be on between 9-9:30. Ditto for tomorrow.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 29 2013,16:06
There's a big slow patch.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 30 2013,13:09
Leisher just got a new dog and named it Teemo.And I bet it leaves little mushroom-like bombs all over his yard. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 30 2013,14:46
The wife saw a picture of Teemo and realized the coloring matched. Hello Teemo.I should be available tonight. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 30 2013,14:48
Me too.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 30 2013,18:59
Then why aren't you?
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 31 2013,10:25
2 hour season final of The Walking Dead tonight. I am probably out tonight. See you Monday night.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 31 2013,11:45
Yeah but dont you have Easter Teemo?
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 01 2013,15:06
Is it still poker night?
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 01 2013,15:17
Torchlight II is happening, but I don't know how late.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 01 2013,15:49
Then Golf Foxtrot Yankee.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 01 2013,16:02
Yeah, I was really looking forward to playing tonight. Then Cake happened...
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 01 2013,16:36
Yep. Sucks.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 01 2013,16:37
CakeHappened
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 01 2013,17:26
TL is supposed to have started by now, but hasn't. So maybe it's not.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 01 2013,18:01
I will check back 10/10:15 to see if anyone is on.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 01 2013,18:13
10-10:15 sounds good to me
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 03 2013,16:01
So is there a game tonight or is Cake gong to snub us again?
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 03 2013,16:15
(GORDON @ Apr. 03 2013,18:01) QUOTE So is there a game tonight or is Cake gong to snub us again? In his defense, the male strip club by his house is only open until the end of the week. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 04 2013,09:34
I am in tonight, and Friday, but will only be available Saturday after late. There is a birthday party I am expected to attend. It will probably be lame, so I will try to duck out prior to midnight.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 04 2013,10:29
I am in tonight around 10. Tomorrow, but potentially after an early movie (so maybe 10 again), and I think I'll be late on Saturday too.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 09 2013,17:49
I am out the next few nights. Doing some night work that's got me afk from about 7pm to 1am. I'm going to try VERY hard to be available Friday night. But it will probably be late.
Posted by Stranger on Apr. 10 2013,09:50
< http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/04/patch-35-balance-update.html#more >a patch came out last night, heres the patch notes. a few things of note: Kayle cast range nerfs.. (poor Gordo, just as he's learning her) Nami and Nautilus buffs! i personally like both of these, usually my champs are getting nerfed. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 10 2013,10:12
Since CakeHappened, I'm going to finish off Dead Space 2 tonight and tomorrow. I'm about 75% done with it.And the Kayle nerfs were just to keep her from casting abilities from off screen. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 10 2013,10:39
I didn't even know Kayle's support spells had that kind of range. "... completely off the screen from her opponents." I don't see why this is a big deal, if I am far behind the person I am buffing, and that person is ranged and away from the person he is attacking. "Waaaah I can't even see the person buffing my opponent who is far away because i should be able to see everyone all the time." I hate people. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 10 2013,22:06
They're going to balance champs for specific maps:QUOTE "First off, you’ve deserved a response to this thread for a long time, and I’m sorry we haven’t been able to give you one until now. We’ve been well aware of how the Dominion and TT communities have felt left behind and ignored, but we wanted to make sure we had a plan that we were confident in and committed to before commenting, because we don’t want to make any more empty promises. Dominion’s fun (it’s fast). So is Twisted Treeline. But they both share one key problem – League of Legends is competitively balanced for Classic gameplay on Summoner’s Rift. Our original goal was to create rulesets that would result in balanced experiences across all game modes with the same champion stats. We’ve experimented with itemization, game pacing, map features, and other design elements. While we’ve had limited success here, there’s still room for improvement, so we’re going to take the plunge: in the near future™, we’re going to be implementing map-specific balance changes for individual champions. This is going to take a few patches to implement, but we’re actively working on the tech, and we’re already got a bunch of specific balance changes in mind that we’re iterating on. We’re sure there will be lots of questions regarding the initiative, so we’ll announce more specifics when the time comes. I’ll actually be joining the live design team to head up map-specific balance for TT and Dominion. Remember that this is just the foundation for support - we’ve got some other tentative plans that we’re exploring to enhance both maps farther down the line!" Translation: Because you're too stupid to buy one of the three items that reveal Teemo's mushrooms, we're going to nerf the fuck out of him. Actually, I'll be ok with this if it means buffing Teemo on SR. Plus, maybe they can do something about the bruiser x3 meta on TT. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 11 2013,05:11
So, champs will have different numbers based on which map you are playing?
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 11 2013,05:47
That's what they are implying. So basically, you can bet that everyone banned or played the most on TT or Dominion is going to be nerfed. The two that really stand out in my mind are Teemo and Heimerdinger. Due to his mushrooms, Teemo is pretty bad ass on both TT and Dominion, while Heimerdinger is supposed to be a lock down turret holder on Dominion. Heimerdinger is supposedly pretty awesome on Dominion. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 11 2013,06:11
i like this change, it might actually make supports and zero cs champs viable. i've always had a problem with TT and never performed as well cause the team make-ups never really made sence to me. You put 2 champs in one lane and fight over the cs, never understood that concept. and having a full-time jungler doesn't seem to work either, so im all for the changes. i must admit though, i did enjoy the last couple times i did play it. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 11 2013,06:17
< This woman made the mistake of chasing Singed IRL. >
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 11 2013,07:09
QUOTE You put 2 champs in one lane and fight over the cs, never understood that concept. That is incorrect. Many teams do this, and screw themselves. Top is getting fed as they're usually 1v1, while bot should be operating like bot on SR. One person is farming, while the other harasses and/or jungles. (Jungling on the new TT is possible, but it involves lots of ganking too.) For example, if you, me, and Gordo played TT, our team comp would be: Me - Teemo or Vayne (The two champs I play on TT the most.) Gordo - Singed, Ryze, or Kayle (Gordo is adding Kayle, and maybe some others, because if Singed gets taken/banned, then a Ryze/Teemo team is too squishy and gets rolled.) You - Any bruiser you play (Naut, Hec, Udyr, etc.), but NOT a squishy support (Leona and Taric are fine). Gordo would go top, most likely, while you would support me at bot, while also jungling. The thing about TT is that strategies are far more varied than SR. You've got to adjust quickly, and you cannot give up kills. TT is a snowballing map. In SR, you can come back from a massive kill deficit, but in TT, IF the other team knows what they're doing, you're very fucked, very quickly. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 11 2013,10:24
The shop looks like it's getting a change making it easier to shop. Oh, and on the PBE you current;y cannot stack more than 5 health potions. I expect to see that change on the live servers pretty quick. This is intended to stop people, like our hitler from the other night, from giving themselves ridiculous amounts of sustain, and encourage more interaction between champions. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 11 2013,12:12
< Cosplayers >
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 11 2013,12:39
Annie out of fuckin nowhere.
Posted by Stranger on Apr. 11 2013,12:50
i knew it.. Ezreal IS a woman!!
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 11 2013,13:01
Shit, I knew that all along. That's why I always call him Justin Beiber.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 12 2013,05:18
What's the plan for tonight?
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 12 2013,06:28
Cake is going to be trying really hard to get on, and it'll be late. Scooty moved to Zimbabwe. Stranger will be on, or maybe not. You will be on, but playing Defense Grid until others get on. Theo will be on. I will be on. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 12 2013,06:54
ill be on.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 12 2013,07:32
Zimbabwe is a terrible choice. That place has really become a shithole in the last 10 years.
Posted by Stranger on Apr. 12 2013,07:53
< http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs....lements >< http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs....ning-by > Here are two good articles on teamfights and rolls within them (part1 and part2). We really need to get better at our team fighting if we wanna get to the next level. Sure we are better at split pushing and winning the little skirmishes but sometimes the 5v5 is just inevitable and you've gotta buck up and fight it out as a team. I know i took something from the second article in particular. As a support i need to be better at sitting back with the AD and peeling off anyone that comes in on them by providing the cc for them to get away. And our AD can only focus who is closest to them, staying in the back of the team. So when we say weve gotta focus so and so, sure thats the plan, but we can't let our squishies go in unprotected and get bursted. We've gotta let the other team make the first mistake and let them dive our lines then burst them. I know all these things happen so fast when teamfights breakout, but we've gotta get better at this. My personal goal is to be a better protector of AD and keep them alive at all cost. So if someone else goes diving in and gets blown up sorry, im prolly gonna be back and protecting whos important. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 12 2013,09:26
Riot is changing alot of the prices of skin here pretty soon, and it looks like Leisher will be refunded a few RP for his purchase of Astronaut Teemo.Furthermore, Hippalus also clarified everyone who owns Astronaut Teemo, Lion Dance Kogmaw, and Piltover Customs Blitzcrank will be getting a 470 RP refund! "The 3 Legendaries that are being reduced will have the difference refunded to all owners, since Legendary is a price protected skin tier." Posted by Leisher on Apr. 12 2013,10:56
I agree that we need to improve team fighting, and I think we've been going about it all wrong. First of all, technically, we don't need to team fight unless we're behind. Team fights are a bigger risk for teams that are ahead. If they win, they're not really gaining as much as what a team that is losing would gain by winning. Thus, I think we keep to our strategy to avoid team confrontations when we're winning. Keep doing the split push thing. (I know for a fact that the LowElo crew does this and they're ranked MUCH higher than we are...) When we're losing, we need to force a team fight to happen somewhere near one of our turrets or if we can catch them completely off guard somewhere like Baron. Otherwise, we should be traveling as a team trying to get one of them away from the rest, kill them, and thus, the board gets safer for us to travel as it's now a 5v4. Second, as you point out, and as I've complained about elsewhere we must protect our squishies better. It starts with our squishies positioning themselves properly, but beyond that we're asking them to build all damage, but then not protecting them in team fights? As Stranger said, that isn't what the pros do. I would HIGHLY recommend folks get on YouTube and search for Protatomonster. He is the host of LoL's Top 5 Plays of the Week. There's about 124 episodes or so, and each episode is about 4 minutes long, but features great plays that we can learn from. Sure, there are some amazing individual efforts, but you'll see awesome examples of initiations, tanks protecting their squishies, what a support can do to turn a fight, etc. < Here's Week 1. > Posted by GORDON on Apr. 12 2013,11:02
Cake may not be on tonight. Seems that he is in Day 2 of an all-nighter.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 12 2013,11:32
Well that sucks.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 12 2013,14:39
I am going to be gaming tonight, but I'm not sure if I'll be playing Torchlight or LoL. Wife is giving me the OK for LoL though.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 12 2013,14:54
I'll be ready to go around 10pm.
Posted by Stranger on Apr. 13 2013,20:55
Heading home now. Should be on soonish.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 13 2013,21:18
Wasn't sure if we were playing tonight after last night's blowout.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 14 2013,18:14
Played a game as Urgot tonight. Hmmm. I might try him in the jungle. He has long range to help ensure kills and his ult would pull the target back into the fight. Plus, he's just fun to play.Normally, his ult has little utility because you can't use it as ADC because he'd just put him self in danger with their adc/support. But grabbing and throwing and enemy into a gank. . . much better idea. So, I might give that a try. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 15 2013,11:48
I plan on playing tonight, and most likely tomorrow.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 15 2013,14:02
Out, on the road til Wed.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 15 2013,17:57
You haven't discovered hotel Internet and laptops yet?I am so tired of people not being as dedicated as I am. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 17 2013,17:39
Too tired. Need sleep. Will certainly be playing tomorrow night.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 17 2013,18:27
You are just so much fail.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 18 2013,07:12
(GORDON @ Apr. 17 2013,19:39) QUOTE Too tired. Need sleep. Will certainly be playing tomorrow night. ![]() Posted by Leisher on Apr. 18 2013,09:09
I'll be on tonight.Lots of questions about this video showing a new 1v1 and 2v2 game mode. Also Heimer has three turrets... Posted by GORDON on Apr. 18 2013,17:50
So sleepy.I think I have that disease where when you get up early and then are busy all day, then you get sleepy at night time. So hurry up and let's play. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 18 2013,18:08
That's not a disease. That's being old.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 18 2013,18:16
QUOTE Being old is a disease, you gotta hustle up a cure
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 18 2013,18:19
I am all about making things home-made these days... anybody got a good meth recipe? That'll wake me up.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 19 2013,06:58
The Morty Seinfeld thing is killing me. Remember when Elaine scheduled the meetings in the late afternoon because old people get sleepy? Maybe we should start playing LoL around 6 a.m. so we get Gordo at the peak of his day? Posted by Leisher on Apr. 19 2013,12:07
I will be on.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 19 2013,16:09
Because of cakedaddy if i am on at all tonight, it will be late.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 19 2013,19:29
I made you old?
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 19 2013,19:30
We've been waiting online for you for quite a while. At least I show up.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 20 2013,00:10
When you said late, I figured after 10pm. I forgot that 8pm was late for you.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 20 2013,10:08
I wasn't sure when I would be home when I first wrote the update. I was earlier than I thought I'd be.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 20 2013,12:02
I think I will be available tonight.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 21 2013,00:07
I've had three responses to the recruitment thread. Tyler was the first one.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 21 2013,00:12
The second one called me bro.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 21 2013,09:08
Don't forget to go to:< http://www.teamspeak.com/?page=downloads > to download TS Posted by GORDON on Apr. 21 2013,11:00
I liked the new.guy.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 21 2013,13:54
I installed teamspeak. Have you?
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 21 2013,21:58
That was a good support we had since our normal support was gone. Not implying anything. But, he was really good.
Posted by Stranger on Apr. 22 2013,08:33
yeah, im sure a gold level jungler would look pretty good on our team too.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 22 2013,12:37
I didn't notice if that other support was really good or not. I honestly wasn't on screen with him except for team fights. Being a gold player, I'm certain he had to be pretty good. Was he so good that we wouldn't have won those games without him? By the way, best move we made last night, imho, was me and Gordo swapping lanes based on the enemy team comp. Darius couldn't get traction on me, and Mundo spent more time up top then he should have. We need to do more of that. I do not think I'm going to play tonight or tomorrow. I've got all day meetings tomorrow that end with me giving a presentation to key employees, and then first thing Wednesday morning I'm giving a presentation to our board. I'm going to be going to bed early both nights. Please consider me out until Thursday, although Wednesday after golf is a slight possibility. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 22 2013,19:14
You people that don't play because of a work schedule disgust me.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 22 2013,20:24
I have been staying up until the wee hours on work nights for... what... 15 years? playing games with you people. I would guess my average hours of sleep per night over that time period is about 5.It gets tiring. I have a head of gray hair. I developed a nerve disease. I blame all of that on Cakedaddy. If I weren't so ridiculously good looking, my life would be tragic. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 22 2013,21:15
I would venture a guess that you get the most sleep out of all of us.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 23 2013,05:07
It's weird how everyone is different.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 23 2013,13:52
Good news, everyone.On thursday my wife and kid are going out of town for a long weekend, leaving me home alone. I have nothing to do except stay up late playing LOL Thursday night until Monday. Hell, I may not even get dressed some of those days, and will be playing naked. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 24 2013,12:33
I assume we are all on tonight.Contact our new guy if you have his contact info and let him know. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 24 2013,13:56
I'll be on.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 24 2013,14:18
Actually, it's golf night, which means Stranger and I would likely be out.However, golf was canceled. Stranger is still going to play though and I'm going to have dinner with the wife. We will both be on at normal time, 9:30-ish Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 24 2013,21:59
Is the Leisher mid, Chaotic ADC switch our new setup? If so, is Leisher beginning training on new mid champs? Or are you mid only when you can get Teemo?I bought Jarvin the other night. Played one 3v5 bot game and won. So, I think I'm ready for prime time (Per Gordon's standards). I really want to get some new jungle champs in my line up. Ren and Noc have not been as effective as I'd like and Naut just doesn't feel right. It's probably me. . . but I don't know what to change up to fix things. So, maybe a different champ will fit the way I'm playing lately. I feel like I need to be more bruiser than full AD. Maybe I should try a more tanky Noc. Give up some damage for some health/armor/resist. But anyway, Jarvin was pretty cool. He's got a really high movement speed so he can cover distances quickly. I just have to practice his Q, E, R combo. Also, an early FYI, I'm going to be out Mon-Thur next week. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 25 2013,06:29
QUOTE Is the Leisher mid, Chaotic ADC switch our new setup? I don't know. I thought I sensed some frustration last night from him regarding his mid play, but I might be wrong. I think he was a bit relived to move down to ADC though. QUOTE If so, is Leisher beginning training on new mid champs? I honestly think "Teemo for the win". I cannot stress that enough. I feel that I usually do so well in mid that it frees the jungler up to focus other lanes. Now granted, I've had bad games there, but typically, we're winning if I mid Teemo. (The stats back me up on that too if you drop the Ryze/Teemo TT games.) That being said, I know I can't just play him forever. I also own Heimerdinger, Akali, LeBlanc, Anivia, Annie, Katarina, Kayle, and Twisted Fate. I have a great interest in adding Ziggs, Lux, and possibly Karthus or Kassadin to the mix as well. Who do you guys want to see me use? QUOTE I bought Jarvin the other night. There are people who think he's the best champion in the game. High damage, a tank, great initiator, massive gap closer, etc. I look forward to seeing him jungle. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 25 2013,07:00
i have no problem with Leisher playing mid if he wants it, and i've got no problem with him playing Teemo alot but expanding his roster is a must as im sure he already knows. The only suggestion i would have is to learn to play someone that you can roam with alot more. I like it when a mid can push their lane and then go and gank top or bottom, so maybe make your descision on having that ability. TF, Ziggs, Lux and Karthus can all have a presense on lanes with those long range/global ults. that was the first game that i had played support with Chaotic and we got him 3 kills in no time. I'm pretty sure we can make some pretty good combos down there. Not sure how he or Leisher feel about this so i will leave that up to the rest of you. And i love the Jarvan jungle! he is prolly one of the top picks for the pro's right now, he's just got a lot working for him. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 25 2013,09:30
QUOTE i have no problem with Leisher playing mid if he wants it, I will go where I'm needed. I enjoy mid and ADC equally. Although, I am honestly a bit more excited about moving to mid and playing champs I don't often play. I'm still a carry, so there's really not much difference. QUOTE i've got no problem with him playing Teemo alot He's all I'll play tonight unless he gets picked prior to me getting him. In that case, I will bring out Akali. QUOTE The only suggestion i would have is to learn to play someone that you can roam with alot more. Roaming doesn't have a ton to do with a champion, but more about situations. Yeah, speed can help, but I can't roam if my lane isn't pushed. If you see my lane pushed, and you're getting pushed back, don't be shy to call out for an assist. As Teemo its pretty easy to push out and force folks to B thanks to my constant harassing. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 25 2013,21:54
QUOTE I also own Heimerdinger, Akali, LeBlanc, Anivia, Annie, Katarina, Kayle, and Twisted Fate. Obviously my list of mids still include Teemo, and I missed Ryze (I don't like him). I also bought Lux tonight, and I'm thisclose to buying Ziggs. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 25 2013,22:04
I recommend learning from your current pool of new champs before buying Ziggs. That way, if a new OP mid comes out, you still have enough IP to buy it. Unless you want to spend RP. I'm just sayin'. . . I always try to keep a pool of 10k IP for the OP champ release.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 25 2013,22:05
I think for the most part, we have to stick to hit and run/no team fights in ranked games. If the enemy team forces the issue, well, then, we lose. Bottom line, we can't team fight. We can't. So, we TRY to create an environment where we make them play our game, and lose when it doesn't work. Or, we try to team fight them, playing their game, and lose to them because we can't team fight. Until we learn to team fight, we can't. In theory, yes, we need to team fight. But, we can't. So, we don't.In non-ranked games, team fight the shit out of them. That's where we practice the stuff we suck at. When we are in a ranked game, we play the only game we can. Hit and run gank stuff. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 26 2013,06:14
QUOTE I recommend learning from your current pool of new champs before buying Ziggs. That way, if a new OP mid comes out, you still have enough IP to buy it. Unless you want to spend RP. I'm just sayin'. . . I always try to keep a pool of 10k IP for the OP champ release. I have 13K right now, and that's after buying Lux yesterday. I am pondering Ziggs because I tried him during a free week, and basically just loved him immediately. Tons of harass, and escapability, which match my play style. As for the OP of the month, I'm kind of hoping Heimer is going to become that soon. It's why I've been practicing him up in my spare time lately. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 26 2013,09:16
im kinda waiting to see some new champs soon.. you don't have to be pro with these guys to play them and it shouldn't be that hard to get a feel for what a champ does. I mean, Leisher played Akali for the second time ever yesterday and he had tons of kills, a very well played game.Its not like we are winning every game we play when we have Singed, Teemo and Nocturne so lets try something new for once. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 26 2013,10:11
QUOTE im kinda waiting to see some new champs soon.. you don't have to be pro with these guys to play them and it shouldn't be that hard to get a feel for what a champ does. I mean, Leisher played Akali for the second time ever yesterday and he had tons of kills, a very well played game. Its not like we are winning every game we play when we have Singed, Teemo and Nocturne so lets try something new for once. I don't think this is a fair statement. I think it implies something that isn't true. I mean, I get what you're saying and I agree that we need to have more champs, but at the same time, we keep playing ranked games. Nobody wants to jump into a ranked game playing a champ for the first time. Nobody wants to let their teammates down. We need to play some non-ranked games to practice new champs and team fights. Also, even if someone gets the hang of a champ in the game, it doesn't mean their teammates do. If I don't know what visual cues to look for, and know what's coming, I might miss an opportunity. I know this from experience because nobody saw as many different champs night to night as me playing ADC because my support was always changing. ![]() Posted by GORDON on Apr. 28 2013,20:48
For Kayle, her recommended builds on SR are AP, and her recommended builds on TT are AD+Speed, so yeah, they built TT to be a fast slugfest.I bet Tryndaqueer would be good in TT for that reason. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 29 2013,09:44
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgMMxTofZ5A >This is a good video on an auto-attack key binding that is really good for ADC's but will work for anybody. Leisher should check this out maybe you will get something out of this. I knew of this from seeing something on it before and when i was playing Zyra the other night it made me think of it. Funny that they used Zyra in this video as an example because i had an almost exact similar situation the other night. i knew there was a way to chase people down or run away and get more autoattacks in (its called kiting, you may have heard of it before). This could help all of us if we get used to it, but it would take a little getting used to. < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSX_H4cUyh0&list=SPFD43DB539651D5C3 > and here is another video on the smartcasting we talked about a week or so ago. its short but maybe it will help you understand it better. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 30 2013,07:06
Looks like a massive patch today. Cake is out until Friday night. I've been on and off practicing my mid champs. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 30 2013,17:39
Due to a schedule change, I could be on tonight. If I can stay awake that is.
Posted by Stranger on Apr. 30 2013,18:39
ill be on.. new ARAM is pretty cool. no more custome games!
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 30 2013,21:48
Fizz was silver III.And Theo was seeded into silver something. . . then fell to Silver V. Posted by Stranger on May 01 2013,06:55
< http://www.reignofgaming.net/blogs....jungler >This is an article i would like Cake to read. i know he keeps saying he has troubles building tanky bruiser from the jungle. Personally i always liked Spirit of Ancient Golem first, but i usually get Locket or Aegis as my second item. Infact when i run Nautilus if i get the gold i will purchase all three of these items and then add in a Warmogs. Super Tanky, i love this build. Posted by Leisher on May 01 2013,07:11
Fizz was a tough lane match up for first time TF because he would jump over the minions and be on me instantly. Fine with other champs, but TF doesn't have a good escape. If I happened to have my gold card up, I could escape, but otherwise, I was toast. I think I'd like to try out Fizz, BUT his problem is that he's tough early game, and damn near worthless late game. That Fizz got really fed early on, and then became more and more of a non-factor as the game went on. I just wish I could stop picking third so I can try counter picking our opponents. Posted by Stranger on May 01 2013,07:23
(Leisher @ May 01 2013,10:11) QUOTE I just wish I could stop picking third so I can try counter picking our opponents. so are u saying u want to pick later? Posted by Leisher on May 01 2013,07:37
Yes, but haven't we experimented with that and found it to be random?Although, considering the guy who launches is always first, and I seem to always be third, maybe that's not the case? Posted by Stranger on May 01 2013,07:40
i really like having a TF on our team, we just need to work out the level 6 ganks. Getting jungle and TF to gank at the same time and turning bot lane into a 4v2, hopefully killing both enemies killing tower and getting the AD snowballing. So i would like us to try and work that out in future games. Also TF is a notorius split pusher. He can be pushing away at a lane and if the other team decides to push our mid he can get back to the team fight in time. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 01 2013,08:15
It's not the build, the team comp, etc.It is our execution of the team fight that is suffering. Build and team comp are only as good as your execution. We could have the best equipment and the best coach in the NBA, but we'd still lose games if we couldn't execute the plays. Stop talking about composition and builds. Start talking about how to make the fight happen. Yes, I will initiate. But what happens next? The 'plan' seems to stop after we figure out who is initiating. I initiate. What does Gordon do? What does Leisher do? Etc. Please, someone, anyone, describe or explain the plan after initiation. Right now, our plan is: 1. Initiate. 2. Win the team fight. Need more info. Posted by Leisher on May 01 2013,11:54
I thought I broke down a plan of attack for team fighting < here. > Please give it a read.It may not be perfect, but it's a start to the conversation. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 05 2013,16:26
I've just achieved the impossible. . . .Promoted out of bronze 5 into bronze 4. What sucks is that it was more luck than anything else. Both promo games I played, and won, the teams were extremely lopsided. The first started bad, but by mid game, we rolled them. Second game, we dominated from start to early surrender. Had I been on the other team in either game, I'd have lost. At bronze, anything, it's all about the luck of the team draw. Unless you are amazing and can carry your team no matter what. I must admit though, I did have some bad ass key plays as Jarvin in the second game. But, I'll add that I think my team could have won it 4 v 5 with one of us sitting in spawn the whole game. The enemy team was just that bad. Posted by Leisher on May 06 2013,12:11
![]() Posted by Cakedaddy on May 07 2013,06:13
I should be available tonight if others are. If others are not, that's ok too. Have not played torchlight in forever.
Posted by Leisher on May 07 2013,06:50
I will probably not be available as I'm working a double. There's a very small possibility that I might be able to sneak on at some point since I have LoL installed here, but I'm not sure. If I did, I wouldn't have voice. If things change during the day, I will let you all know. Posted by Leisher on May 07 2013,08:14
![]() Posted by GORDON on May 07 2013,10:24
Doubt it tonight. pretty sick
Posted by GORDON on May 07 2013,14:01
Upgrade to maybe. Slept all day and blew about a gallon of multicolored phlegm out of my lungs, feeling slightly better.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 08 2013,09:19
Probably out tonight.
Posted by Leisher on May 08 2013,09:34
We're probably going to scare Chaotic away with our unavailability. We've rarely been this bad about not being available. We'll see where the evening takes me, but if Stranger wants to skip the bar tonight and play LoL, I will too. With Venerable, that'd most likely give us 5 (assuming Gordo will be on).Cake, would you rather us wait so you can be there when we're promoted? I am 100% for tomorrow night. Posted by Leisher on May 08 2013,10:00
< Item sets that work like runes and masteries are coming. >
Posted by Leisher on May 08 2013,20:47
Just as an FYI, we will no longer be playing promotion games with Venerable Sage to avoid facing teams full of silver players to offset his gold status.Not sure how Riot thinks many silver = 1 gold player, but whatever. We're back to 85 points, which is one win away from another promotion series. So everyone get their bronze level ass on tonight. Posted by GORDON on May 08 2013,20:53
Yeah... 3 Silver-3 players against us seems kind of fucked. I didn't think it could be because of VS.
Posted by Leisher on May 09 2013,18:10
It's 9:10, and I don't see anyone on. I'm going to watch an hour long show with the wife as I figure IF anyone gets on, it won't be until 10ish. Posted by GORDON on May 09 2013,18:39
9:40, don't see anyone.
Posted by GORDON on May 09 2013,19:13
No word from Cake at all. Stranger a no-show. Aiden in Zimbabwe.We done? Posted by Stranger on May 10 2013,08:17
i was the old man that needed sleep last night, I was out by 10:30. If i'm not on, please go ahead and play ranked without me, thats why we have more than 5 on our team. I will be on tonight to play for sure though.
Posted by Leisher on May 10 2013,11:02
QUOTE If i'm not on, please go ahead and play ranked without me, thats why we have more than 5 on our team. We can't. Here's the problem: With you, me, Gordo, Cake, and Chaotic we get matched up against other Bronze players. Once we add Venerable we get multiple Silver players because he's a Gold player. We could add Theo, but then he's bumping me out of mid or Gordo out of top, and who's playing support? Honestly, you're more critical than me, Gordo, or Cake right now because if we really needed to, we could grab Theo (or Scooty if he still had a computer) and they could fill in top, mid, or jungle. If we really wanted to get around you being out, we'd need to recruit another Bronze support player. QUOTE I will be on tonight to play for sure though. I hope to be on, but I'm not certain. If I get on, it'll be anywhere from 10-12. I'll be on Saturday night for sure. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 10 2013,18:29
I just pulled a double double kind of thing. Worked from Wednesday morning till this morning with two 2 hour naps thrown in. Too busy and sore to stay in touch. Still recovering today, but will be on tonight. Should be available Saturday night too.
Posted by GORDON on May 10 2013,21:12
Leisher has already come and gone.
Posted by Malcolm on May 11 2013,09:08
(GORDON @ May 10 2013,23:12) QUOTE Leisher has already come and gone. Giggity. Posted by Chaotic Obsidian on May 11 2013,21:55
If we want to get any better, we have to TRY to get better. In practice as it is right now, we only play ranked games. We don't try new strats, we don't go into games with an objectives in mind. We have to change that. For us to get better, we must PRACTICE better. That means we try new things in practice, not just play ranked games against Gold and Silver ELO players. We should all step back for a second and evaluate what we want out of this team. If we want Bronze, silver, gold, plat, diamond, challenger, and then start PRACTICING to BE that level. We have to not only want it, we have to try for it.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 12 2013,15:47
My availability:VERY limited for a while. Sun - Available Mon - Available Tue-Sun - Not available Mon - Thu - Not available Fri - Not available Sat-Fri - Available So, ya, for like a week and a half, I'm not available. If anything in the schedule changes, I'll be available. But I don't anticipate that. Feel free to recruit another player, play with Theo, Venerable, etc. But you will probably all miss me too much. It will be too much of a painful reminder of my absence to play without me. Which is fine too. Posted by GORDON on May 12 2013,15:58
Something about, "I hate people who don't play because of their work schedules" or however it went.
Posted by Malcolm on May 12 2013,17:33
It takes work to have fun, goddamnit.
Posted by Leisher on May 12 2013,18:36
QUOTE If we want to get any better, we have to TRY to get better. In practice as it is right now, we only play ranked games. We don't try new strats, we don't go into games with an objectives in mind. We have to change that. For us to get better, we must PRACTICE better. That means we try new things in practice, not just play ranked games against Gold and Silver ELO players. We should all step back for a second and evaluate what we want out of this team. If we want Bronze, silver, gold, plat, diamond, challenger, and then start PRACTICING to BE that level. We have to not only want it, we have to try for it. I agree with that, however I would argue that we also NEED to win the promotion series we've been fighting for. We have a system in place, and provided we don't get setup against gold and silver players, we will win the games with our current roles/setups/strategy. So let's practice, but let's not ignore where we are in the standings. I think we need to work on the promotion now before we lose Cake for a while, and then work on new strategies. QUOTE It takes work to have fun, goddamnit. Right? Sadly, the game is fun as hell, but it IS a competition. Same thing as playing any sport. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 12 2013,18:50
See, the difference is:I'm off because I'm AT work. You people are off because you have to work some time in the future or because you worked some time in the past. Gordon: "I had to leave the house today and I'm all tuckered out. I'm going to bed early." Gordon: "I have to get up in the morning, like everyone else that's playing, because of work. I have to get my rest so I'm not tuckered out for work." Leisher: "I have to talk to people tomorrow. I'll need to get to bed early cause my vagina is making me." Me: "I've been up for 27 hours straight and have another 17 hours of work for tomorrow. I only have time for a few games." Me: "I started working at 3am this morning and worked until 3pm. I have to go back to work tonight at 3am. But, I took a 2 hour nap and made sure I was awake by 9:30 so I could play." So, ya. People that don't play because of work disgust me. Because it's different than people who are AT work. Posted by GORDON on May 12 2013,18:55
My life has been so much more pleasant since I started blocking people on the forum.
Posted by TheCatt on May 12 2013,19:12
This sounds like the most fun game ever.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 12 2013,19:47
If this was a game where we could just switch to the winning team in the middle of a fight, it might be more fun so that we could win all the time.
Posted by GORDON on May 12 2013,20:42
(TheCatt @ May 12 2013,22:12) QUOTE This sounds like the most fun game ever. Aren't many games that have kept us playing for years. Posted by Leisher on May 13 2013,12:56
![]() Posted by GORDON on May 13 2013,15:18
So everyone is on tonight, yeah?
Posted by Leisher on May 13 2013,16:46
I am.
Posted by GORDON on May 13 2013,18:44
Since Team Speak showed up now I never know where to look for people to see if they are online. Some people get in Steam, and some people just get in game but don't bother with steam, and then people have to go into different platforms and message people a fuck you all I hate you.
Posted by Leisher on May 13 2013,21:54
I get into game and Steam. I don't jump into Team Voice just yet. BTW, status isn't the best indicator if someone is there or not. Steam and LoL will put you into Away status if you don't move your mouse after x amount of minutes. When I log in nightly, if nobody is on, I'll sit back, watch TV, and play games on a tablet or my phone. Can't hurt to message me and see if I'm there. Posted by GORDON on May 14 2013,19:20
After trouncing the other team when we jumped into a game as a duo, Leisher and I decided that we really shine when the enemy team is not organized and not very good.It is the skilled teams that are our Achilles' heel. Posted by Malcolm on May 14 2013,19:24
QUOTE Leisher and I decided that we really shine when the enemy team is not organized and not very good. If only LoL had the equivalent of a crazy old John Madden commentator to spout such lines. Posted by Leisher on May 15 2013,08:25
So the ice event is over, and I have no idea if I "qualified" with 10 wins or not. I still have the icon...
Posted by TheCatt on May 16 2013,18:07
Maybe it's your < keyboards >
Posted by GORDON on May 17 2013,09:17
I forget, are peeps playing tonight?
Posted by Leisher on May 17 2013,11:36
I probably will be out. Tomorrow seems to be 80%. Sunday 100%.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 17 2013,18:49
I might be on sunday night.
Posted by Leisher on May 23 2013,10:22
Remember that 1v1 map some of you peeps said would never be for the regular players?< We're getting it. > It just won't be anytime soon. Also, I will be on tomorrow for sure if anyone else will be, and there's a possibility tonight. Posted by GORDON on May 23 2013,10:48
Drive-In tomorrow night. Maybe REAL late, post midnight.Saturday looks free so far. Posted by Malcolm on May 24 2013,11:59
< Sounds like a lot of work >.
Posted by GORDON on May 24 2013,15:46
We know people who know people who live in a big house with the rest of their team and do nothing but practice LOL 14 hours a day. There is big money in the tournaments.
Posted by Malcolm on May 24 2013,17:36
(GORDON @ May 24 2013,17:46) QUOTE We know people who know people who live in a big house with the rest of their team and do nothing but practice LOL 14 hours a day. There is big money in the tournaments. Damn. Even my job lets me leave after the standard 8. I suppose I could let you in on the couple of gold dudes I know so they can give you pointers. Posted by Leisher on May 24 2013,20:38
QUOTE We know people who know people who live in a big house with the rest of their team and do nothing but practice LOL 14 hours a day. There is big money in the tournaments. I wonder if there are labor laws, particularly child labor laws, that are being ignored at the moment since this is still under the radar stuff... Posted by Cakedaddy on May 25 2013,19:38
On the road, but have Internet. Patching the laptop and will run some through put test games to see if I'm going to be available.
Posted by GORDON on May 25 2013,19:42
No one else besides me is on anyway
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 26 2013,16:26
That's exactly why I didn't bother logging on. . . Fully patched and ran a test bot game. Definitely playable. I am back for this week. Only test not done is voice comms, but I've never had a problem with that on this laptop, so, should be fine. Posted by Leisher on May 27 2013,09:45
I see Chaotic on right now, so I'll message him that the gang will be returning this evening...maybe.I'll be on. Until then, enjoy this: Posted by GORDON on May 27 2013,09:52
Was that supposed to be the Baron at the end? My kid is going to love that vid.
Posted by Leisher on May 27 2013,10:41
Needs more Teemo.
Posted by GORDON on May 27 2013,11:29
One of us needs to pick up Lux. Just played a whatever-round with my kid, and I player her... goddam.With just the recommended loadout, her laser beam ult is doing 1k+ damage, and as we know she can be WAY behind the rest of her team and get double/triple kills with it. Also, at full recommended loadout, it refreshes in less than 50 seconds. If not played too crazy, it is never not available for team fights. So. Someone needs to start playing her. Posted by Leisher on May 27 2013,13:54
Lux against bots is a bit easier than Lux against humans as bots tend to move in straight lines.Now considering I'm the AP mid, I can only assume you're talking to me specifically about playing her. I do own her, and I have played her. However, We have a certain team comp that we're running with right now, and I'm not sure she fits. Posted by GORDON on May 27 2013,14:16
I'm not married to the strategy of fixed team comps, so no, I was not addressing you specifically.
Posted by Leisher on May 27 2013,15:21
Well, you had to have been addressing me because I'm AP Mid and that's where she goes.
Posted by GORDON on May 27 2013,16:15
Never mind.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 27 2013,18:57
She COULD be support too. But I'm not sure Leisher wants to start playing mid.
Posted by Leisher on May 28 2013,06:25
How that conversation should have gone:Gordo: "Hey Leish, try Lux out, she's kinda bad ass." Leisher: "Ok, I'll run with her the first time we break away from this current team comp." But Gordo's gotta make shit all complicated. ![]() As for last night... It was fun. I thought it was a perfect way to get back into the swing of things after a break. Chaotic was on his game, and made some excellent calls. Everyone played very well. Even the goof off game was fun despite the loss. Had we not all switched roles and champs for fun or played it straight, I think we would have easily won. I don't mind playing with James. Yeah, he's a chatterbox, and yeah, he's still working out the bugs in his game, but he's a good person, so it's ok. Hopefully, we can play some ranked tonight. Posted by Cakedaddy on May 28 2013,09:17
There was a lack of actual target calling, so I tried to step in to cover that. I find we do better when a target is actually named. Granted, we should all just know who the target is. . . but it helps to say it so we all know.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 29 2013,01:19
I didn't like the video. I only saw a few of the champs using their abilities like they would in the game. Other than that, it was just fight scenes that didn't reflect how it happens in the game. Ryze doesn't have a knock back. Noc never used his fear. He cast his ult, but didn't zip in for the attack and he never used his Q. I expected to see Annie stun or do her fireball. I wanted to see fiddle fear and life drain TF. I wanted to see Kat use her ult. Trynd's rage doesn't cool down that fast and he doesn't cast it while going in to battle. Unless that was supposed to be his heal. I dunno. It was good animation and stuff, but didn't reflect game play very well. What map has a bunch of stuff falling over on it that you have to dodge?
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 29 2013,01:25
Just had my first close solo queue game in a very long time. I got Amumu even. I didn't do that well. I kept missing my bandages, so a lot of kills got away. Our team was also very blood thirsty and didn't push well. We had a HUGE gold and kill lead, but could never get control of the game.Late game, we started dancing around baron. I even started it once and our wards showed the enemy team coming in and we pulled off. Both teams hung around the area for a long time just waiting for something to happen. Then, I saw 4 of them grouping in a bush. I threw my bandage out and caught Kat. I popped my ult while my team rushed in. I'm spamming my spells and taking damage. Watched my health. At 20%, I popped my Zonya's. My team didn't focus real well, but we managed to pull out a win in the fight. Their Thresh support was their lone survivor and we had Ashe and Zed. They pushed top all the way in for the win, killing Zed while he tried to defend top inhibitor. He should have waited at the Nexus turrets. First fun solo queue game in a long time. Posted by Leisher on May 29 2013,06:27
(Cakedaddy @ May 29 2013,04:19) QUOTE I didn't like the video. I only saw a few of the champs using their abilities like they would in the game. Other than that, it was just fight scenes that didn't reflect how it happens in the game. Ryze doesn't have a knock back. Noc never used his fear. He cast his ult, but didn't zip in for the attack and he never used his Q. I expected to see Annie stun or do her fireball. I wanted to see fiddle fear and life drain TF. I wanted to see Kat use her ult. Trynd's rage doesn't cool down that fast and he doesn't cast it while going in to battle. Unless that was supposed to be his heal. I dunno. It was good animation and stuff, but didn't reflect game play very well. What map has a bunch of stuff falling over on it that you have to dodge? I love that you just ripped a cinematic that Riot created for fun and enjoyment because it technically doesn't represent actual game play. The best part is that you're right. Would it really have been so hard to showcase a team fight in the arena, that just happened to occur at Baron? Onto last night, that was fun. Chaotic wasn't as on with his calls as the previous night, but we still pulled out some wins. That first game was terrible. I blame Stranger ![]() Best Teemo NA got to make an appearance, which is always a treat for everyone involved. I still think we need to be far less aggressive early game. I know that I've really been working on it, but as Gordo would say, "Other lanes seemed to be handing the other team lots of kills" in the first game. Our aoe team comp depends on being able to keep up with or surpass the enemy team's damage. If we allow them to get way ahead in gold via kills, then our team comp is useless. Posted by GORDON on May 29 2013,08:08
(Leisher @ May 29 2013,09:27) QUOTE I still think we need to be far less aggressive early game. I know that I've really been working on it, but as Gordo would say, "Other lanes seemed to be handing the other team lots of kills" in the first game. I gave up the 2 early kills that first game, because Volibear's 33% low-health-regen kept fucking me out of what are usually sure kills, and I didn't adjust my playstyle for it. My bad. In the end we all ended up with 3-5 kills each, and 6-7 deaths each. We all sucked equally that game. Posted by Leisher on May 29 2013,10:16
(GORDON @ May 29 2013,11:08) QUOTE (Leisher @ May 29 2013,09:27) QUOTE I still think we need to be far less aggressive early game. I know that I've really been working on it, but as Gordo would say, "Other lanes seemed to be handing the other team lots of kills" in the first game. In the end we all ended up with 3-5 kills each, and 6-7 deaths each. We all sucked equally that game. Well, to quote another Gordonism, "My deaths came late game when they were all fed." ![]() And actually, that is the truth. Being Keenan, I have to get up close and personal, there's no way around it. My ult means diving directly into the middle of as many enemies as possible, and my E means body checking as many as possible. So if the enemy team is fed, I'm fucked more so with Kennan than with other characters. Posted by GORDON on May 29 2013,11:21
I already said my bad, and explained what I did wrong that game. You aren't getting a bj out of it, too.
Posted by GORDON on May 29 2013,18:40
I am putting my kid to bed tonight, I will be available 10:15/10:30.
Posted by GORDON on May 29 2013,20:12
(Cakedaddy @ May 29 2013,04:19) QUOTE I didn't like the video. I only saw a few of the champs using their abilities like they would in the game. This vid shows a lot of the little character abilities that you don't notice the first time, since showing them exactly as they are in-game would look dumb. Posted by Leisher on May 30 2013,08:18
QUOTE I already said my bad, and explained what I did wrong that game. You aren't getting a bj out of it, too. Racist. Posted by GORDON on May 30 2013,09:08
No you are the one who is racist.
Posted by Leisher on May 30 2013,11:52
I plan to be on tonight.
Posted by Leisher on May 31 2013,22:37
I figured that getting promoted was a good time to call it a night because I didn't want us to go lose a game and lose our high.Great playing to all tonight. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 02 2013,17:04
I can play for a bit tonight. Not too late though.Monday - Thursday, I'm unavailable. Friday-Sunday, I'm available. That is my schedule for the foreseeable future. When I'm on, I'm ready to play. Lately, messaging people is getting me responses, but no games. Not sure how to read when someone says they want to play, then they stop communicating and their status goes "away" or they are playing other Steam games. I'm ready when everyone else is. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 05 2013,18:59
I believe I will be out Friday, until midnight-ish. Going out.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 07 2013,16:12
Stay up late. I want to play, but I can't always so 'no' to social invites.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 07 2013,18:29
What have we told you about making friends? I guess we need to ridicule you even more.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 07 2013,18:31
Just make sure you don't do it on a weeknight after 10pm, or he'll be too tired.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 07 2013,21:47
Zing!
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 07 2013,23:09
Sorry. Started leaving at midnight, didn't get to the door til 2.
Posted by Stranger on Jun. 08 2013,08:13
i tried to stay up as late as i could. I had to work this morning and bailed at around 1. I'll be on tonight though if anyone else is on.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 08 2013,15:03
I'm glad I didn't try real hard to stay up then after working two jobs all week long.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 08 2013,15:41
I was on all night, but two of you were in AWAY status the whole time. Then Chaotic was, and Stranger didn't get on until after midnight.I will be on tonight. However, I'm going to dinner with the wife, and won't be on until 10ish. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 08 2013,19:41
Did you try messaging anyone? Like you always tell us to do? From now on, if I don't hear from people by 10:30, I'm going to start jumping into solo queues.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 08 2013,21:37
BTW, I am going out west for 10 days or so, this Thursday. They tell me not even cell phones work out there. Also there are bears and wolves where I will be.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 09 2013,13:39
(Cakedaddy @ Jun. 08 2013,22:41) QUOTE Did you try messaging anyone? Like you always tell us to do? From now on, if I don't hear from people by 10:30, I'm going to start jumping into solo queues. I tell you to message ME. If I get on and three of you are in AWAY status in LoL and Steam, and the others are offline, I'm not messaging people. If you wanted to play, you'd be available. You're always AFK. Stranger is either not on or in BL2. Gordo plays Defense Grid until people are ready. Chaotic is AWAY a lot. When I'm ready, I'm online and in game. I don't need time to eat or kick out visitors or whatever else people need to do AFTER they log on... As for 10:30, Gordo and I will have issues with that. Typically, we're the first two on and are ALWAYS waiting for you. We're ready by 9-9:30 nightly and you aren't on until 10. Thus, you making such a demand is ludicrous. I will be on tonight. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 09 2013,18:41
You are always in 'away' status and have asked us to message you anyway. I'm just asking for the same. Like you, I am at my keyboard watching Netflix, surfing, working, etc. Game might go 'away', but I'm still there.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 10 2013,17:28
hey we playing tonight?
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 11 2013,09:25
FYI, it has been discussed that 2 things are going to happen in future games:1. We will be choosing champions with an eye to who counters who. Last person to pick their champ will have a LOLcounter.com (or whatever) page open on their second monitor, relaying information. 2. I am adding Volibear to my frequently played champs, and I will build him exactly like the Voli that beat our asses the other night, including copying his runes and masteries buildouts. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 11 2013,10:32
QUOTE 1. We will be choosing champions with an eye to who counters who. Last person to pick their champ will have a LOLcounter.com (or whatever) page open on their second monitor, relaying information. The problem is that not enough of us know enough champions. We can do this to an extent, and should, but we can't go into matches thinking "I'll pick X because they counter Y even though I've never or rarely played X." Also, don't forget that we have a team aoe comp right now. Switching away 1 or 2 pieces can ruin that comp. Is that an issue? For me, yes because I probably wouldn't play Kennen if the team wasn't doing an aoe comp. But yes, we should absolutely be looking for mismatches. On a different note... Sona and Sejuani are getting nerfs. Singed had some of his stuff tweaked as well. I'm thisclose to adding Ziggs to my arsenal. Posted by Stranger on Jun. 11 2013,12:12
< http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3536570 >These are the patch notes.. Singed didn't get changed at all. The big changes are in the jungle,creeps will spawn at the same time as blue and red now and they will respawn sooner. Also blue and red will give more xp. and there were some changes to jungle items, notably wriggles lantern and the spirit items. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 11 2013,12:21
QUOTE Singed didn't get changed at all. You didn't read closely enough. Singed got changed in two ways: 1. He can no longer flip you if you flash away. One of the other will occur, but not both. Meaning, if he does land it, your flash will be up where before it would be gone. 2. This affects 9 characters, and Singed is the most notable, since Gordo plays him... All aoe slows will no longer take as long to recover your speed from once you leave the area affected. Previously, as you left an area with an aoe slow, your speed would slowly recover. Now it'll be much faster. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 11 2013,23:28
One thing I learned last week is how at home I am in Bronze. We don't want to go silver. Playing that silver team that trolls bronze by starting a new team and reseeding showed me that we have a TON of improving to do before hitting silver. In fact, I think it would be a mistake to ever hit silver. That team completely rolled us. Same champs we've faced dozens of times and we couldn't do ANYTHING against them. Just highlights how little we actually know about this game.We can pick a champ B that counters champ A. But if we don't know HOW they counter them, then it's meaningless. You added Voli to your list, but who does he counter and why? We have often said "Ryze counters Singed". But does he? Just because that one Ryze countered our Singed? This post is coming off more negative than I mean it to. . . . Point is. . . Bronze is fun! Posted by Leisher on Jun. 12 2013,11:19
QUOTE One thing I learned last week is how at home I am in Bronze. We don't want to go silver. Playing that silver team that trolls bronze by starting a new team and reseeding showed me that we have a TON of improving to do before hitting silver. In fact, I think it would be a mistake to ever hit silver. That team completely rolled us. Same champs we've faced dozens of times and we couldn't do ANYTHING against them. Just highlights how little we actually know about this game. I think you should just quit playing the game if that's your attitude. ![]() I'm not saying we don't have lots of improving and learning to do still. Hell, even the pros talk about how they're always learning new things. You honestly think of all the games we've played that we haven't played Silver or Gold people and beaten them? I guarantee it's happened. I'd like to point out that "two champ and only good at one, kill stealing" Theo is Silver V. The endless chatter box/nice guy Cognito1 is Bronze I and he doesn't even know how to place wards! Chaotic is Bronze I. Venerable Sage is Gold V, and I can't point to anything in his game that stands out as superior. I think a LOT of the new ranking system has to do with just playing a lot, and who you get teamed up with... I honestly think that as a team, we belong around Silver V-IV right now. (Both TT and SR.) I put us there mainly because we're not playing a dozen games a day like a lot of the kids that play. Over the past four weeks we've played as a full team...twice? We cannot worry about our rankings until we get some consistency in play time. Gordo and I are jonesing for LoL so badly we actually duo queued ranked last night. We went 1-1. The first game started off with me claiming ADC, and one minute later someone deciding he would play it, and I can "eat his ballz". Meanwhile, another player said he's Platinum, I'm wrong to claim anything because I was last in the pick order per Riot's own official announcement (WTF?), and if we just shut up and do as we're told, he'll carry us to victory. The second game started off with someone volunteering to play support, and every chatting in a friendly way. One person asked me to play Varus to counter the enemy Caitlyn. Guess which game we won and which we lost? Guess which game had a feeding ADC/support combo and a guy with a superiority complex telling everyone else how to play the game? Guess which game had a summoner named "iwillrap3you"? The game before Gordo got on, I soloed and was ADC with a guy who said he was "bullied into support, and fuck us all". He then proceeded to argue with the mid player the whole game, and never dropped a single ward. Solo/Duo can be a lot of fun, but more often than not, it's a nightmare of retards. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 12 2013,11:37
That first game was the horrible one. It was comparable to the duos I played with Cake the other night, except this time I wasn't actually making any mistakes.Leisher was jungling, I think, and he was doing fine. Mid and/r bottom were feeding hard, though... and at top, as Singed, Teemo got thrown against me, and I actually killed him for first blood. And we had a gank on him soon after, so I was like 1/0/1. Mr Awesome starts riding my ass that I didn't buy the right boots. A little later in the game and the score is like 10-20, we are losing because others are feeding hard. I am like 2/1/5. Mr Awesome starts riding me HARD about how I am not playing right. I bet he made 30 or 40 comments all about me. When we down by 15, he is still going at me, and I am 4/2/10 (ish). He started talking about how my enitre play style is fucked, and I am supposed to be the initiator and up front. I said that I seem to be flipping and starting fights quite a bit. He said there was more to it than that. I just apologized for losing the game for us. He didn't get the hint and just started raving about how people need to listen better and keep learning new things and not "play the game like you do in random matchups" or some such thing. Just completely horrible and the exact reason I don't like playing with hitlers. Then the second game was fun, even though it seemed like the people we were playing had never played those champions before, and if they weren't in ranked you would have guessed their level at about 23. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 12 2013,11:55
The "Mr. Awesome" (not his real name) game was funny because three of the people on our team had the silver border meaning they were ranked last season. The entire other team, Gordo, and I did not have borders. Yes, the people with the borders were the three people who got decimated. I started off 2/0/1, while Gordo started off well as he said. However, our mid (the "platinum" Mr. Awesome) was getting his ass KICKED by the enemy Diana. He was always in full retreat or dead. I've never seen a mid forced to b so much in laning phase. As for bot, in the words of Mr. Awesome, they went 8-21 in the laning phase. Team fight phase was even worse. Our ADC would routinely run from fights with full health and mana as soon as they started so when Fiora and Kat would do their ults, and have the enemy team way down, there was nobody there to finish them off. That game was a great example of why solo/duo has such a bad reputation. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 12 2013,12:16
How do you look up details of your matches that weren't a part of your team? I'd like to search Mr. Awesome's stats and ranking to see what level he really was, but it only shows me my stats.I'd still like to know how to do the above, but I found him on lolking.net. Motherfucker isn't even seeded. That was his 7th seeding match. 7 of his prior 10 games were Howling Abyss matches, one was a TT, and the other SR game he played Master Yi in the jungle. What an asshole. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 12 2013,16:48
You can't really get details. When in their profile, you can look at their 'Ranked' page to see where they are ranked (B3, S1, etc), but no details. I think it lists games won as well. If you click on the leagues tab, it shows your info. Bug? Don't know. But the only thing you can do is look at someone's match history and see their over all rank.When people play the 'pick order' card, I always say "The only people who go by pick order are the people that didn't call their lane soon enough and are going to steal someone else's". Yes, that is a douche move. I never take anyone's rank claim as truth. When I play solo, I play with the thought that I am going to have to play my best game ever. I count on NO ONE and I play to not die. I know that I will have to carry the team to victory by myself or we will lose. And honestly, I have my best games when I play like that with you guys. :-) I play every game with the expectation to lose. Basically, I keep a very low level of expectations so that I'm not pissed when it turns out bad. However, I KNOW I'm becoming a better player playing in these conditions. I pay more attention to who I'm fighting, etc. I am a more skilled player because of solo queue. Often, one of my top goals is to not be the guy the team starts raging against and blaming for the loss. Not because I care what they think but because then I know I'm having a good game. Doing better with a 2/1/4 score isn't a good game. It's an adequate game. 6/2/12 is getting better. 10/2/19 is a good game. I go for the good game. Or, I make sure my carry has that game and I end up at 4/4/27. Played two games last night. First game, I got Amumu. I went 16/0/12 (I don't remember exactly how may assists). Our carry went 17/10/15. We won the game for us. I took an early lead with kills. 4/0/1 which gave me a pretty good advantage in 1v1's. I was getting shit from top lane because I wasn't helping him enough. Even though I had ganked 3 times up there and mid 2 times and could never make it to bottom because I was babysitting top and mid. This is when I play my "Know how you know you are a bad player? You start blaming your team mates for your failures." macro. It doesn't shut them up, but, your other team mates generally agree with you. Top and mid, even with all of my help, did really poorly. OH, and the guy that took mid was fighting with another guy who also wanted mid. One picked Lux and the other was, mundo maybe? I don't remember. But he sucked there. Lux did poorly the first half of the game as support, but really came alive second half. She had 2 VERY KEY saves on me, one right after the other. I had a LOT of enemies on my ass and I'm at like 50 hp. She stunned and slowed, twice, over the walls to save me. Anyways, I snowballed to the point where I would fight Ashe and Voli 1v2 and win with half my health left over. I would MELT Ashe and then voli took a few extra seconds. Then I continued my split push to take their bottom inhib turret before I retreated. Point is, I played a great game, and that's what allowed us to win. Bottom lane did their job, but top and bottom failed hard core. Actually, our mid was Talon. And he kept trying to 1v1 enemies over and over and over and would NEVER win. I ignored him. Didn't help him, etc. However, I WOULD clean up after him. I never entered a situation where I wasn't 80% sure I would survive, etc. And that's how I went 16/0/12. Then I played another game. Got Sej for that game. My first two deaths were from following our mid Sion's orders. Died both times. Lost my momentum (was 2/0/1 prior) and was an average game for me. Their mid, Kassaden was having a good game and snowballing. They won. Sion did the most bitching on our team, and to the other team. I pointed out that my score was better than his (because he picked me to blame because I wasn't tanky enough) and that he didn't play even close to well enough to be raging against his own team for our loss. I got 2 honorables and a team work that game. Pointing out someone's ignorance doesn't shut them up, but everyone else likes you. But anyway, I'm in another promo series in solo and each time I get one, I do better and better. I'm getting better because I'm playing with idiots and having to play better than my abilities allow. So when I do play solo, it's easier. :-) If you never have a game, in solo or team games, where you are awesome (15/2/20 or 4/4/29), then you are not bringing anything to the team. Ya, I said that. :-) You are merely doing your job. We always have to have one person doing really well in order to win. Because odds are, the other team has someone snowballing. So, if you never snowball, then you are always being carried, and never doing the carrying. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 13 2013,11:13
Once I leave today, I am off until Tuesday. Gordo is out, and Cake is out until the weekend, so...Stranger if you see me on tonight, maybe we can Duo and finish my seeding (4 games to go)? As for the weekend, I figure we can run with Cognito1 if we just want to do normals, or grab Theo or Venerable if we want to play ranked. Posted by Stranger on Jun. 14 2013,08:09
I'll be on tonight to do some games. If you wanna duo q some Leisher i'm all for it. If we can get 5 then we can run some ranked 5's. I'm not working tmrow so i'm gonna make it a late night. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 15 2013,15:08
I have no idea if I'll be on tonight or not. Currently, there is no power at the house.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 15 2013,15:17
Pay your bill, they will turn it back on.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 15 2013,16:01
My neighbor with the full work crew that was supposed to be building a patio doesn't think you're funny.Poor bastard. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 15 2013,16:21
Tell them someone invented hand tools that dont need electricity.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 15 2013,18:20
Well, if you see any Amish people, tell them to head this way.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 15 2013,22:40
Had a very busy week last week. Then went up north to ride (holy fuck it was amazing) and now I'm home. Will be available Sunday night.Next week, I'm still busy Mon-Thursday nights because I haven't been able to hire anyone. I'm having difficulty finding someone to do back ground checks for me. ;-) My days are open though, so I'll be able to get the hiring done this week for sure which will hopefully open up some evenings for me. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 17 2013,19:22
Entered bronze 4 again. As long as there is one other person who is good on my team, we can win. So it's getting easier to move up the ranks.I wish we could take more advantage of Gordon's vacation. :-) Posted by GORDON on Jun. 17 2013,19:34
If.you find you are betted off without me, please dont hesitate to say so.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 18 2013,10:18
I have been sitting here all morning trying to figure out which of my responses is the funniest and/or most hurtful.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 18 2013,11:03
I think you should post them all and let us vote.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 18 2013,11:19
I'd prefer to see many insults as well.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 19 2013,00:45
Just plowed through Bronze 4 and in a promo series for 3. Just played my best game as Ziggs ever. Told them I was better at jungle than mid. . . they didn't care. I was dead on with my satchel charge. I was being chased down by Voli. Every time he used his charge, I'd use either my satchel or my mines to keep distance. Then two other enemies showed up so I stopped and killed Voli real quick using my satchel for the killing blow and to shoot me out of the fight. Made it around a wall but Morg landed her stun and then they got me. I was awesome.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 19 2013,12:48
Hurray. Won my first promo game. Second was just a train wreck of a team. HORRIBLE bans and the other team got some OP champs. And then people played like morons. Third game, we were losing early game, then winning mid game. Then we had an afk and we would lose every fight by about 300hp. With our fifth, we would have dominated. So, no promo. Thanks solo queue!!! But I'm an awesome Sej now.OH, my first game, I was even stuck with support! I went 2/2/13 as Nid. The other team surrendered. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 19 2013,23:26
Can Skarner flash while he's pulling someone to pull them a really far distance?
Posted by Stranger on Jun. 20 2013,06:30
(Cakedaddy @ Jun. 20 2013,02:26) QUOTE Can Skarner flash while he's pulling someone to pull them a really far distance? No. its not possible to do any other actions but move while ulting. You can use ghost or shurelia's before and get a big speed boost and pull them extra distance. This got me thinking.. i wonder if you could pull off a Skarner ult into a Thresh lantern for some serious max distance. I kinda doubt it though, that would just be a broken mechanic. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 20 2013,06:37
QUOTE i wonder if you could pull off a Skarner ult into a Thresh lantern for some serious max distance. That would become the best initiate in the game by a mile. We should run it in a bot game to test, and if it works, bring it into ranked. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 21 2013,09:22
< The loading screen is changing > to encourage better behavior.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 21 2013,10:44
btw, I'll be around tonight and tomorrow...maybe. I know Gordo is still out west, and who knows if Cake will be on or not. Ditto for Chaotic. I might watch a flick with the wife tonight, or get online. I don't know. Tomorrow I'll definitely be online. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 22 2013,15:05
(Leisher @ Jun. 21 2013,12:22) QUOTE < The loading screen is changing > to encourage better behavior. Less information.... yes, that is truly the way to weed out the assholes. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 22 2013,19:54
Everyone here lies. 11pm and I'm the only one on since 8pm.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 22 2013,20:58
I never lie. And i will not be available until tuesday.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 22 2013,21:47
You may never lie, but you are always wrong, which is pretty much the same thing.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 23 2013,20:24
Monday night. Back monday night.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 24 2013,08:27
We had another yet another power outage caused by a storm that came out of nowhere.Two years of big storms with no loss of power, and then back to back weekends of power loss, and only one of which was caused by a storm. I might be on tonight, we'll see what my mood is like. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 24 2013,11:40
Looks like Al Gore was right.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 24 2013,20:00
Just as well peeps aren't playing tonight. Wife is uploading like a gillian pics from the vacation, killing my ping.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 24 2013,20:11
I'm sure everyone understands that those elk images won't upload themselves.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 25 2013,06:10
(GORDON @ Jun. 24 2013,23:00) QUOTE Just as well peeps aren't playing tonight. Wife is uploading like a gillian pics from the vacation, killing my ping. I was scrolling through my FB feed today, and realized that your wife is currently doing a virtual version of the vacation slideshow that people dreaded when visiting friends. BTW, I was on last night, but Stranger wasn't, you were in AWAY status (in game), and Cake was in Snooze (in Steam), and not logged on at all. No Chaotic either. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 25 2013,08:17
I had to run a practice game to remind my fingers how to play, then went afk with the game still on. Or something.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 25 2013,08:19
I will be around this evening by 10 at the latest.
Posted by Stranger on Jun. 25 2013,09:35
i'll also be on.. but you guys are gonna have to peel me off of Borderlands newest DLC. I'll be ready for a good game of LOL too. Feeling pretty good after me and Cake went 3-0 in ranked the other night. I got to go solo top with Garen and even got called a pro Thresh after going 3-1-18 in one game. But the big bummer was that i was only getting anywhere from 3-6 LP per win!!! Me and Cake thought that maybe it was cause he was Bronze4 and i'm Bronze1, but i Lolkinged each person we played with and against the next day and each and every one of them was from Bronze4 to Silver4. So not sure why i'm getting such low LP from my solo-Q wins. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 25 2013,11:21
I'm out till Friday night. . . again. When playing with Stranger, I was only getting 15 points per game. Before him, I was getting 20-25 points. Even when not playing with him now, I'm only getting 15. And that sucks. I'm wondering if the game isn't ranking me higher when scoring than my bronze 4.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 25 2013,11:48
< Map specific nerfs coming soon. > Guess who the first and only champ on the TT list is... SINGED!!!So of all the champions in the game, all 107 or whatever of them, Singed is the one getting nerfed, and Teemo is completely worthless thanks to cheap items that reveal his mushrooms. Seems like someone at Riot hates us. The best part is that some assholes actually asked if Teemo's mushrooms will be nerfed next, and Riot indicated yes. WTF? Because buying an item to reveal them is too difficult? Fuck Riot. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 25 2013,15:41
They should just have one champion, but then differentiate them with a different color for every player. This guarantees that one player cannot be good with a particular champ that other players can't deal with. Every player will have identical abilities and no particular strength or weakness compared to other champs.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 25 2013,23:18
I finally got 20 points again for a win. And I think I got 20 points because it put me at 99 points. 94 points, I think "Cool. Next game gets me into promo round". 99 points makes me think "Fuck you riot".
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 26 2013,23:12
Was forced to go mid and took Ziggs. Played a damn fine game. Even saved the ass hole jungler who took my spot. I almost didn't. But I did. I found that when I sabotage games where I'm forced to play with an asshole, I lost too many games. I lost my last promo series due to douche bags, and was pissed. Lost a whole series of games until I was almost down to zero points. So then I decided that I'd rather move up in the ranks rather than make a few assholes lose. So I've just been playing as good as I can no matter where I'm forced to play. And I've been winning again. But there were like 5 games in a row where people would play the 'pick order' card and take jungle from me. So I though "Fuck you then. We are losing this game." I would score kills that didn't matter and completely fail when it counted. Undetected sabotage. But I figured it was hurting me more than it hurt them. So now I just call people dicks and assholes during champ selection when they do it."Quit complaining" they say. I say "I'm not complaining. I'm just calling a dick a dick." Posted by Leisher on Jun. 27 2013,07:38
< Udyr is the next ultimate skin. >
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2013,07:48
I wish I had more tolerance for the people in solo queue.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 27 2013,08:47
Me too.
Posted by Stranger on Jun. 27 2013,08:56
(GORDON @ Jun. 27 2013,10:48) QUOTE I wish I had more tolerance for the people in solo queue. i had a great solo-q experiance lastnight. I was support Thresh and Vayne was my AD. As you know i always start my game with 3 wards and the explorer ward. Plus with my lantern i can have pretty good coverage of all the bushes in the area. one bush in the lane wasn't warded yet and Leona was obviously in there, but what does he do? Facecheck it! why not? Instagibbed.. His response, "all i ask for is wards, its all you have to do, i'll take care of everything else" So he bought a ward placed it in that bush when he got back to lane. HAH! If he was such a great AD he would know better than to facecheck such bushes against a Leona and Trist combo.. He then goes on to blame me for all of these bad initiations i do while he focuses the tanky Leona. Solo Q can be such a pain in the ass, but it can be even worse when your a support, terrible AD's have someone else they can blame their shitty game on. On a lighter note, i ran Nautilus jungle the next game and we owned. And i only lost 3 LP for the loss and gained 6LP for the win. I can't complain that i'm gaining twice as much LP as i lose.. i guess.... but my promo series looks so far away when i only have 25 LP. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2013,09:24
(Cakedaddy @ Jun. 27 2013,11:47) QUOTE Me too. I haven't yet gotten to the point where I can have fun joining a game and then sabotaging people who are dicks. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 27 2013,10:24
I am an awesome Ziggs.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 27 2013,11:08
Again, I'm awesome at Ziggs. Bronze 3 now. Once I decided I didn't want to lose again, I didn't. I can't remember the last ranked game I lost.I bet I'm the first from our group to hit silver. Two games ago, Largest killing spree: 8 Total kills that game: 8 I died one time in early laning. I spent 19 seconds dead that game. Game I just played, largest spree: 6. 11 total kills. 42 seconds spent dead. I died one time at level 14. Playing to not die earns you a ton of kills and assists. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 27 2013,12:00
I'm thinking of adding Lissandra to my list. She's like a Sej lite.Q: Slows the first target it hits, damages everything it hits. W: Does damage and roots (not sure if it's a full stun). It's short (1.1 - 1.5 seconds), but has a cool down of 14 - 10 seconds. E: Does damage and provides a closer/escape ability. R: Stuns and enemy and slows all surrounding enemies. Damages everyone in the area. Her passive allows me to cast an ability with no mana cost every 18 seconds or less. Less if I'm impairing enemies' movement with abilities. I like coming out of the jungle with some CC. Posted by Stranger on Jun. 27 2013,12:05
(Cakedaddy @ Jun. 27 2013,15:00) QUOTE R: Stuns and enemy and slows all surrounding enemies. Damages everyone in the area. Her R can be cast on enemies or herself. If cast on herself its like a Zhonya's putting her in stasis for a few seconds and damaging surrounding enemies. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 27 2013,12:07
Yes, that too.And, for the record, I still think Yorick from the jungle would be cool. No major CC with him, but having two of me running into the fight will do a lot of damage. Or I can cast it on the ADC and have two ADCs shooting at the enemy. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 27 2013,13:59
QUOTE I haven't yet gotten to the point where I can have fun joining a game and then sabotaging people who are dicks. I'm too competitive for that. QUOTE I bet I'm the first from our group to hit silver. That's not impressive. One of us never plays solo queue. One of us rarely plays. One of us plays more BL2 than LoL. Theo is a silver player, and he was never an impressive player. Get to Gold. That'll impress me. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2013,17:36
I a warmed up with Singed, Kayle, and if my wife will stop having fake emergencies, Volibear. Will run a jungle Nunu and support Soraka.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 28 2013,07:06
(GORDON @ Jun. 27 2013,12:24) QUOTE (Cakedaddy @ Jun. 27 2013,11:47) QUOTE Me too. I haven't yet gotten to the point where I can have fun joining a game and then sabotaging people who are dicks. Yep. Because that's all it's about. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 28 2013,08:26
My bad for misunderstanding your previous post in which you talked about how you were sabotaging dicks in solo queue.Anyone going to be on tonight? Posted by Stranger on Jun. 28 2013,09:21
i'll be on.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 28 2013,12:48
I should be on this evening.
Posted by Stranger on Jun. 28 2013,13:34
< http://www.lolnexus.com/scouter >i found a webpage that will show your current matchup in the game that you are playing right at the time. It has to be a game that is currently being played live. All you've gotta do is type in anyones name that is in your game (your team or the other) and it will show you the following: -current solo-q rank (seasons 1,2 & 3) -number of normal wins -ranked W/L -games played with that champion and the KDA with that champ -and current runes and masteries Pretty cool little tool. try it next time you que up. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 28 2013,14:07
(Stranger @ Jun. 28 2013,16:34) QUOTE < http://www.lolnexus.com/scouter > i found a webpage that will show your current matchup in the game that you are playing right at the time. It has to be a game that is currently being played live. You almost need a "coach" with you telling you all that info so you can focus on playing the game. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 28 2013,15:59
I guess our town's fireworks are tonight. If they're not canceled thanks to the rain, I probably won't be on until late, if at all.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 28 2013,17:10
(GORDON @ Jun. 28 2013,11:26) QUOTE My bad for misunderstanding your previous post in which you talked about how you were sabotaging dicks in solo queue. Anyone going to be on tonight? You didn't misunderstand. I did do that. But that's not all I did. I also learned new champs and how to play them against real people. I have become a MUCH better player, for my team, having played all of these games. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 28 2013,19:22
And that's great, but I can't stomach the idiots. Makes me not want to play at all. So I don't play with them.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 29 2013,18:46
DAMN them is some long fireworks.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 30 2013,17:00
I'll be ready later tonight.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 30 2013,17:09
I am 50/50 if I'll be on tonight. Ditto for tomorrow. If I am, it might be later than normal.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 30 2013,19:29
Ah. I just got done asking Cake if you died or something.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 01 2013,10:33
I should be back into the swing of things Thursday, and hopefully making some late night appearances before then.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 01 2013,19:31
< Changes to Yorick are coming. >
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 01 2013,23:38
Wish I understood the points system. Just lost a game where the enemy has a silver player on their team. Silver TOTALLY carried their whole team. When we lost, I lost 14 points. Figured it was because we lost to a team with a silver. Then I played another game with a silver on MY team. Thought we were for sure going to lose because jungle was stolen and I ended up with ADC graves. I played SUPER passive and just farmed. Out farmed the enemy Urgot (?) by about 30% the whole time. I scored an early kill when Urgot over estimated his damage and I killed him first. Later, he got me back. When team fights broke out, I just spammed my abilities and tried to stay alive. Missed a handful of easy kills by not aiming my super easy ult correctly. But having farmed so well, I had some big items (first was blood thirster). So I started doing heavy damage. When team fights really got going, our whole team was scoring kills and bursting the enemy down hard. We won at 34 minutes. I got 24 points for that game? Why? We dominated them. We had a silver. I didn't do awesomely at adc. I don't get it. Because I played out of my normal lane and the game knew that? Their B3x2, B4x3 team was expected to beat our S5, B4, B3x3 team? Four of my teammates were rated Bronze or Silver from season 2, they have one Bronze from season 2. So, we had way more experience. And yet I got so many points?Wacky. Anyway, 1 loss, 1 win. Neted 10 points for the night. So, the same number of points as Stranger if he won both of them. :-) Posted by GORDON on Jul. 02 2013,19:24
You People should have had the good sense to plan your lives away from LOL when I was on vacation. Dumbasses.
Posted by Stranger on Jul. 03 2013,11:57
< http://www.surrenderat20.net/ >THE NEXT CHAMPION IS A GUN WIELDING BLACK MAN!! I'm guessing that his ult summons a car full of homies that perform a drive-by causing (X) amount of physical damage. After a short distance car breaks down and homies jump out to rob nearest champ of (X) amount of gold. < http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013....un.html > pics of Lucian, the gun templar. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 03 2013,11:59
QUOTE I'm guessing that his ult summons a car full of homies that perform a drive-by causing (X) amount of physical damage. I might actually join you if that's the case. Well, maybe if there's another ability where he can flash his grill at opponents, stunning/blinding them. Posted by Stranger on Jul. 03 2013,12:03
(Malcolm @ Jul. 03 2013,14:59) QUOTE I might actually join you if that's the case. Well, maybe if there's another ability where he can flash his grill at opponents, stunning/blinding them. haha! That would just be fantastic!! Posted by GORDON on Jul. 06 2013,13:30
If it rains, I am out tonight, going to the drive-in. Cake said he might be on Sunday night. I should be available Sunday night.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 07 2013,14:25
I don't know if I'll be available tonight or not. I will try, but no guarantee.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 07 2013,18:29
Is anyone on tonight, or can I go do other things?
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 08 2013,10:41
I think I will be out again tonight, but then I'll be back to my normal availability. UPDATE: The above statement just became 50/50 instead of definitely out. My plans tonight have probably been moved to tomorrow night. Please keep in mind that I have a mid who wants to join us (RifleScout). He is Silver 1 and seems to be really good. That means that when Chaotic isn't around I can move to ADC and RS can take mid. If both of them are on and someone else is out, I can move to the missing person's role. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 08 2013,21:28
Whomever can be on Tuesday night by 10, please do so. I will try to be on by 9, but 10 is far more realistic. riflescout will be on, and I'd like to jump into a game with him. I already know Chaotic is out, and I assume Cake is out, so hopefully we can get Stranger and Cognito1 or Venerable Sage on. Yes Gordo, I just assume you'll be on. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 08 2013,21:49
SHould be.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 09 2013,10:26
I'm going to see a flick with the wife tonight, which should get me home in time, but I might be slightly late. I'm shooting for 10-10:15. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 10 2013,07:13
Big patch today.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 10 2013,07:32
Patched.
Posted by Trooper on Jul. 12 2013,18:26
Currently repairing my installation. Seems after you spend 4+ months away from the servers, your patch wants to error out a third of the way through. . . Hoping to join in tonight nonetheless.Oh, and I'm back by the way ;D Posted by Trooper on Jul. 13 2013,00:28
Practicing up on my manaless mid champions. Garen and Akali have been the focus.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 13 2013,16:42
Will be home by 11 tonight.
Posted by Trooper on Jul. 14 2013,15:06
Going to keep practicing my Mid lane game, but this time I've taken into consideration your concerns for my champion selection. Working with Lux Jax and Pantheon, I've always seemed to show acceptable results with those 3, so I plan on upping my game with them a bit. Will also be on tonight.
Posted by Trooper on Jul. 14 2013,15:48
< http://www.twitch.tv/scootypoofjr >All of our games are recorded and immediately posted here at the end of the night. It's actually a live recording, so anyone not in-game can watch my screen live from this site, but when I end the broadcast at the end of the night, it instantly saves everything I broadcasted as a video, so you can watch it again later. Only downside is you're watching my game, from my perspective. Still. Really cool. If you want to see our previous broadcasts to watch our games and critique, just click videos on the right side next to the chat button, and a tab with the most recent broadcasts should show. I'll keep them named so you know what is what. Excuse my annoying electronic music btw ;D Posted by GORDON on Jul. 14 2013,19:03
Can you see both teams in real time?
Posted by Trooper on Jul. 14 2013,19:39
No. Its nothing like LOL Replay. It's broadcasting exactly what I see on my PC screen with a small delay, and when I shut the broadcast down, it saves everything as a video that you can then watch later. So, you'll only get to watch me play I guess, but nonetheless, I could really use the critique so it's all good.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 14 2013,20:18
Pro athletes/< http://www.joystiq.com/2013....says-us > Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 14 2013,21:47
(GORDON @ Jul. 14 2013,22:18) QUOTE Pro athletes/ < http://www.joystiq.com/2013....says-us > Bull the fuck shit. They're ... something. But "athlete" isn't the right term. Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 15 2013,03:51
As far as the government is concerned, that's close enough.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 15 2013,06:15
(Malcolm @ Jul. 15 2013,00:47) QUOTE (GORDON @ Jul. 14 2013,22:18) QUOTE Pro athletes/ < http://www.joystiq.com/2013....says-us > Bull the fuck shit. They're ... something. But "athlete" isn't the right term. As long as NASCAR drivers are considered athletes, I don't understand any criticism of this decision. Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 15 2013,07:15
(Leisher @ Jul. 15 2013,08:15) QUOTE As long as NASCAR drivers are considered athletes, I don't understand any criticism of this decision. At least driving NASCAR is apparently a good sustained cardio workout. Not sure the same can be said of LoL. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,07:23
(TPRJones @ Jul. 15 2013,09:15) QUOTE (Leisher @ Jul. 15 2013,08:15) QUOTE As long as NASCAR drivers are considered athletes, I don't understand any criticism of this decision. At least driving NASCAR is apparently a good sustained cardio workout. Not sure the same can be said of LoL. Agreed. Tell me that driving for hours on end in a car going triple digit MPH, in a fire suit, safety gear, etc., isn't physically demanding. Drivers have been known to sweat out a few pounds or more during the longer events. Then take into account the other few dozen moving objects on the road. Fuck, Go-Kart racing is more of a real sport than LoL. Playing LoL requires as much "athleticism" as playing chess. No, chess is not a fucking sport, either. Neither is checkers or poker. They are hobbies or games people play. Some people are obscenely good and play professionally. They are not athletes in the same sense as a football player, golfer, or even curling or shuffleboard. Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 15 2013,07:36
I went looking to see what the Latin was for one that plays games to see if I could find a better word to start using, but apparently it's basically athlete. The physical aspect is a modern addition to the word; traditionally it meant anyone that played games regularly, yes including things like checkers and chess.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 15 2013,07:53
QUOTE I went looking to see what the Latin was for one that plays games to see if I could find a better word to start using, but apparently it's basically athlete. The physical aspect is a modern addition to the word; traditionally it meant anyone that played games regularly, yes including things like checkers and chess. There's the win. QUOTE Agreed. Tell me that driving for hours on end in a car going triple digit MPH, in a fire suit, safety gear, etc., isn't physically demanding. Drivers have been known to sweat out a few pounds or more during the longer events. Then take into account the other few dozen moving objects on the road. Fuck, Go-Kart racing is more of a real sport than LoL. I disagree. Put a LoL player in a sweat suit or a hot room, and they'll drop pounds too. It's actually bad for you to be sitting for extended periods of time, and both activities have that. I've never thought of NASCAR as a true "sport", nor its drivers as athletes, although by TPR's definition above, I guess I concede they are since chess and checkers players would be too. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,08:14
I'm willing to go with the modern twist. From wikipedia...QUOTE Athletic sports or contests, are competitions which are primarily based on human, physical competition, demanding the qualities of stamina, fitness, and skill. Athletic sports form the bulk of popular sporting activities, with other major forms including motorsports, precision sports, extreme sports and animal sports. Emphasis mine. Let's talk about "precision" sports since that's about the only one I think LoL, or any game, could fall under. Easy example is archery. Again, if you don't think that's enough physicality, I encourage you to draw back a bowstring with an appreciable load and see what it's like. Then there's shit like croquet, golf, darts, billiards, and even air hockey ... all of which kind of fall into a grey area for me due to the hand-eye coordination and muscle memory requirements, yet lack some physicality. I'm willing to let golf and billiards slide as they have fundamental aspects of the game (teeing off and breaking, respectively) that require substantial kinetic force. Air hockey involves quite a bit of movement, despite its arcade game status. I'll even cut croquet slack because those mallets don't lift themselves. Darts is really, really, really, really pushing it.I suppose the bit about all the electronic/video game "sports" is that your physical action translates into a virtual reaction that exists solely in 0s and 1s. You go "click," some math is artificially crunched, and based on your input plus the local environment, some results are rendered. In and of itself, I can't call LoL a sport. Can it be involved in sport-like things, like a LoL marathon where it's "play til you drop?" Yeah. Can you measure stats about it, like any sport? Sure. Does it have a specific set of strategies tactics to achieve victory? Yup. However, just because something walks, talks, and swims like a duck doesn't mean it's a duck. It could just be a very close and convincing simulation. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,08:15
QUOTE There's the win. Old Latin is a win? Do you still use your salary (salarium) to buy salt exclusively? QUOTE Put a LoL player in a sweat suit or a hot room, and they'll drop pounds too. No LoL player does that. If you want to have the LoL Death Valley Outdoor Tourney, I'll chalk that up to "sport." Posted by Leisher on Jul. 15 2013,12:05
(Malcolm @ Jul. 15 2013,11:15) QUOTE QUOTE There's the win. Old Latin is a win? Do you still use your salary (salarium) to buy salt exclusively? QUOTE Put a LoL player in a sweat suit or a hot room, and they'll drop pounds too. No LoL player does that. If you want to have the LoL Death Valley Outdoor Tourney, I'll chalk that up to "sport." Old latin is a win because it's better than your argument. So if I wear a sweatsuit on my commute, and I move 100 miles away from my job, I become an "athlete"? You're drawing a line in the sand that is arbitrary and nobody else can see except for you. How much physical activity does it take for you to deem someone an athlete? Who made you the person that determines such things? Last I checked the governing body said, "athlete" when it came to LoL. It does take a level of physical skill to become a pro in LoL. It's a level of physicality that most LoL players will never have. Granted, a LOT of it is practice and an understanding of the game, but the point remains that there is a physical skill on display. There's impressive twitch reflexes and muscle memory on display. Really, really fast eye-hand coordination. Those last two sentences can be said about multiple sports where practice and the faster reflexes really separate the amateurs from the pros. Golf. Bowling. Car racing. Darts. Billiards. etc. Poker is a sport. Look Malcolm, I'm with you, I really am. I think it's a bit ridiculous if looking at it strictly through a prism of physicality. However, your argument is making me ask where the line gets drawn, and more importantly, why? Taking this question away from LoL for a moment, Tiger Woods is considered an athlete. Why? Millions of people do what he does daily. Many of them actually carry their own bags as they walk. The VAST majority exert more physical energy because they hit more shots, and walk farther around the course on errand shots or looking for balls. None of them are considered athletes though. Why? I'd argue that athlete is treated a bit too tightly. Is Greg Raymer an athlete? Not by appearance, but have you ever sat and done one thing for 20 hours straight for 3-4 days straight? Isn't there a level of physicality there? So tun sum all this up, I guess I'm asking where do you draw the line and why? Why is Prince Fielder an athlete, and why wouldn't a physically fit professional LoL player also fit your criteria for "athlete"? Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 15 2013,12:10
QUOTE Last I checked the governing body said, "athlete" when it came to LoL. Point of order: "the government" labeling it so is no more or less valid than any other person doing so. Government is just people who get paid with taxpayer dollars, they have no more moral authority on any topic than anyone else. Just because "the government" says something is so does not make it so. Posted by Trooper on Jul. 15 2013,12:10
He quoted Wikipedia as fact. Did nobody else catch this?!
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 15 2013,12:35
(TPRJones @ Jul. 15 2013,15:10) QUOTE QUOTE Last I checked the governing body said, "athlete" when it came to LoL. Point of order: "the government" labeling it so is no more or less valid than any other person doing so. Government is just people who get paid with taxpayer dollars, they have no more moral authority on any topic than anyone else. Just because "the government" says something is so does not make it so. Actually, they do when it comes to the law of the land. Their decision allows international LoL players to now come here on athlete visas. I also don't think this is a "moral authority" discussion. Is it? I do agree with the point you're trying to make, especially since it's the exact same point I made to Malcolm, but I don't agree that the government's decision has zero impact on this debate. Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 15 2013,12:43
It has consequences, but I wouldn't go so far as to say "impact".But I think you know where I am coming from. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 15 2013,12:53
If LOL players themselves had been allowed to design the visas that foreign peeps use to enter the country for competitions, it would be called the "Gay Faggot Noobs Who Need To Learn English" Visa.But it's the government, so they just went with what they had. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,13:18
QUOTE So if I wear a sweatsuit on my commute, and I move 100 miles away from my job, I become an "athlete"? What? Like if you do a 100-mile ultra marathon for your commute to work every day? Yeah, that's an athlete. Running is a fucking sport. Are you driving with the windows rolled up in the dead of summer to see how long you can last or trying to beat your previous best time? Eh, maybe. But that's really just playing with yourself. The competition part is rather important. If your next door neighbour\coworker starts driving alongside you and you're racing to work in some competitive way, then that's sporty enough for me.QUOTE How much physical activity does it take for you to deem someone an athlete? More than clicking a mouse, typing on a keyboard, talking on voice chat, and maintaining verticality and consciousness. Otherwise, typing itself could be a "sport" and that seems absurd. If you stretch things far enough, anything can be competition and anything beyond being dead could be considered physical activity. You burn calories during respiration, but breathing isn't a sport nor is seeing who lives the longest.QUOTE Who made you the person that determines such things? Last I checked the governing body said, "athlete" when it came to LoL. Me, especially as far as my personal definitions of "sport" and "athlete" go. And fuck the government. Do I need to go over the various bullshit definitions they've made that contradict reality? The government thinks codeine + NSAID has less potential for abuse than bud. The government thinks you can drive before you vote before you drink.QUOTE It does take a level of physical skill to become a pro in LoL. I do not deny this. It takes a level of physical skill to play baseball or quarters (the drinking games), but I don't call that shit a sport. I might hear an argument for beer pong, though. QUOTE There's impressive twitch reflexes and muscle memory on display. Really, really fast eye-hand coordination. Yeah, so does close up sleight-of-hand magic. Not a sport. Maybe if the magicians were having a contest to see who could pick the most pockets in the audience while making their way to the stage or something, that'd be sport-like. QUOTE Tiger Woods is considered an athlete. Why? Mainly because golf is "traditionally" considered a sport. "Darts" is also in that category. And while this is a weak sentence, when you swing a club, there's a lot more anatomical mechanics going on than just using your typical computer movements. Darts ... eh, less so. That's got to be the bare minimum for me, I believe. Shuffleboard is more physical than darts. My biggest gripe is the digital nature of the output in LoL and vid games in general. Madden NFL is not a sport. Football is. Madden NFL only knows how to play football according to its code, its physics. The far more interesting question comes in hybridizing things, like with Kinect or Wii. That's crossing some lines. If you throw a bowling ball with a Wii controller, it's pretty much the same motion as actual bowling, just with the world's lightest gear. That still brings up the earlier point that it's bowling according to Wii physics, which isn't the same as reality. If I call something a "sport" with no modifiers (like "video game sport" or "electronic sport"), it must have a significant physical component, be competitive, and be subject to the physics of reality. I can't call CoD or CS or any FPS a real "sport" because, for starters, I've not seen an engine anywhere close to allowing arbitrary destructible buildings. I'm tired of having to rush defenders in a fortified area when I have grenades, rockets, missiles, and bombs that could be used to level the place. That's one small example. I'm not an LoL dude, but I bet some champ has a fire/explosion ability that incinerates your opponents but leaves vegetation untouched. "Hey, that jungler is killing us." Smoke him out and burn the mother down. QUOTE Is Greg Raymer an athlete? Not by appearance, but have you ever sat and done one thing for 20 hours straight for 3-4 days straight? Isn't there a level of physicality there? At uni, I'd coding sessions from hell that sound like this, except that's nowhere near as fun as poker. It was not an athletic endeavour, although some degree of stamina and mental acuity came into play. QUOTE Why is Prince Fielder an athlete, and why wouldn't a physically fit professional LoL player also fit your criteria for "athlete"? Baseball is undeniably more physical than LoL play, especially at the professional level. If you care to debate that, we'll compare injuries among pro players in both those areas. While Prince Fielder isn't the most athletic-looking dude there is, he does possess athletic ability. He runs, fields, throws, hits, and catches in a game that admittedly is the slowest moving of the "big" pro sports, and he's not particularly good at any of them except the hitting part. They are, however, all significant physical activities subject to the laws of physics of this world. Might a physically fit LoL player fare a bit better than one who's out of shape? Let's pretend he's someone capable of doing an Ironman without serious issue. He's a fit dude who plays a video game where his job is to punch in some keypad/mouse combos and shuttle a cursor around the screen, precisely clicking on various targets for various reasons, in as timely a fashion as possible. He's less likely to have a heart attack during a game. His muscle movements are largely a matter of twitch, not force. Additional mass on his biceps or quads really doesn't help him. That's opposed to a dude who's less fit playing a game where a spheroid comes hurtling feet or inches from your body (or sometimes batters get drilled) up to 100mph plus some change. Your job is to take a narrow piece of formed wood and attempt to hit it as squarely as possible while not putting yourself out in the attempt. Or alternatively, since Prince is actually a first baseman, attempt to glove a hit ball off a bat. Line drives move fucking fast sometimes when you got a pro MLB batter that nails a pitch on his sweet spot. 1) Both dudes are professional competitors in their respective team games. I'll assume Mr. Ironman is, for the sake of argument. 2) Both dudes have some physical chores to handle, but Prince has way, way, way more. Let's assume that the UI for LoL can be made such that some physical feedback mechanisms are in place. Like a retarded "hammer strength ring the bell game" except that the harder you click down on the mouse button, for example, the larger your AoE radius is. It could even be absurd, like your champ's movement speed is controlled by your ass running on a treadmill during the game. Let's take it down to the bare minimum and say LoL is or can be made as physically demanding as darts. 3) Prince Fielder is still subject to all the wacky conditions of the real world. Bats shatter. Rain delays. Doping. Seagulls descending upon the field en masse. Managers or players having mental breakdowns during a game. At the extreme end, you've got < this >. I argue there is no baseball sim in the world that ever has or will be written that's robust enough to account for that shit unless it explicitly accounts for it. There's an infinite list of random WTF chaos that reality offers from which video game reality insulates you. That is at the root of my argument. Is there an engine of sufficient complexity such that I'll say, "Yeah, close enough to real physics?" I guess in theory. This world lets me do whatever I can get away with. Video game worlds do not. If they don't like you doing something, it's a "bug" and it's patched. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,13:52
(Trooper @ Jul. 15 2013,14:10) QUOTE He quoted Wikipedia as fact. Did nobody else catch this?! Not fact, just a place to start the argument. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 15 2013,14:58
QUOTE If your next door neighbour\coworker starts driving alongside you and you're racing to work in some competitive way, then that's sporty enough for me. I'm a driving athlete too. I drive every day. Competing with other drivers trying to get ahead of them and make it from point A to point B on stretches of road before they do. And since I don't have A/C, on days like today, I'm sweating. I compete every day, in my car. I don't compete with my neighbor every day. But random strangers that enter the field of battle to duel. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 15 2013,15:02
I'm guessing nobody really believes they are athletes (except the players themselves). It's a marketing thing. Rather than get them work visas, cause that's really what they are doing, they market the game as a 'sport' to draw a larger crowd. League players are WAY closer to air traffic controllers than hockey players. And NASCAR drivers are closer to truck drivers than marathon runners.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,15:13
(Cakedaddy @ Jul. 15 2013,16:58) QUOTE QUOTE If your next door neighbour\coworker starts driving alongside you and you're racing to work in some competitive way, then that's sporty enough for me. I'm a driving athlete too. I drive every day. Competing with other drivers trying to get ahead of them and make it from point A to point B on stretches of road before they do. And since I don't have A/C, on days like today, I'm sweating. I compete every day, in my car. I don't compete with my neighbor every day. But random strangers that enter the field of battle to duel. You do that for hours on end at at time and it's the real reason behind why you drive? You compare yourself with dudes on the leader board to see who's doing better? Where's this board? If all of the above checks out and if the name of your sport is "who can get to the intersection the quickest," then so be it. Just don't expect to see it on ESPN any time soon. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,15:18
(Cakedaddy @ Jul. 15 2013,17:02) QUOTE I'm guessing nobody really believes they are athletes (except the players themselves). It's a marketing thing. Rather than get them work visas, cause that's really what they are doing, they market the game as a 'sport' to draw a larger crowd. League players are WAY closer to air traffic controllers than hockey players. And NASCAR drivers are closer to truck drivers than marathon runners. I get the legal/bureaucratic aspects. I'd simply prefer if they'd differentiate between the current "sports" and the electronic/digital/vid gaming/whatever ones that pop up. As for that NASCAR thing, ain't no truck can make left turns like that. Mythbusters did a thing where they ran a NASCAR race. The dude who got picked to wear the real suit and drive the real car was stoked at first. By the end, he was like, "Man, fuck this shit, I'm dead tired." Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 15 2013,15:28
(Malcolm @ Jul. 15 2013,18:13) QUOTE (Cakedaddy @ Jul. 15 2013,16:58) QUOTE QUOTE If your next door neighbour\coworker starts driving alongside you and you're racing to work in some competitive way, then that's sporty enough for me. I'm a driving athlete too. I drive every day. Competing with other drivers trying to get ahead of them and make it from point A to point B on stretches of road before they do. And since I don't have A/C, on days like today, I'm sweating. I compete every day, in my car. I don't compete with my neighbor every day. But random strangers that enter the field of battle to duel. You do that for hours on end at at time and it's the real reason behind why you drive? You compare yourself with dudes on the leader board to see who's doing better? Where's this board? If all of the above checks out and if the name of your sport is "who can get to the intersection the quickest," then so be it. Just don't expect to see it on ESPN any time soon. All your reasons why it's not a sport are just as dumb as my reasons it is. So, if I play basketball with friends 3 days a week. Play flag football 2 days a week and play lacrosse on the weekend. But we never keep score. Never have a tournament. Just play our hardest to win that game, then meet up again next time, make teams based on who's there, repeat. We aren't athletes because there's no leader board? Posted by Trooper on Jul. 15 2013,15:34
K really though, back on topic. This is a League thread. Played ADC in mid earlier today, thought it worked out really well. My team didn't really agree, obviously, they never do. Anyway, I think it's a good way to throw off the enemy team making them counter themselves esentially. I picked Caitlyn for her range, but I'm sure most ranged adc's would do. Just a thought. Yes that means we'd have a mage down bot with the support, but I've seen that done many times and it works fine. Your thoughts? Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,15:39
Even if you aren't keeping score, the spirit of competition is there in that the opposing team is trying to stop your progress on the field and you both give enough of shit to put forth that effort. That's why when peewee football teams let the loser kid walk a TD in, it officially makes that particular game not really a game, it's a gimme. The outcome is predetermined. There is no way to change it.You can be athletic and not engage in sport. Maybe in your case there, you can chuck score out the window and still be an athlete. Hadn't considered that case. Come to think of it, even if you completely disregard the final, you are still acknowledging the fact someone scored during certain points in the game, so that's competition of a sort. You probably have a general sense of when one side's trouncing another but if it's closer, well, that's why pro leagues keep scores. But if there's no standings, yeah, I guess you can still be called an athlete in that case. Back to the driving thing ... Are you the only one playing or are all the other drivers acknowledging the same rule set as you? Or aren't they playing at all? Posted by Trooper on Jul. 15 2013,16:15
Nevermind, I forgot this was the argue pointless topics completely unrelated to the thread, thread. Carry on.
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 15 2013,16:34
(Trooper @ Jul. 15 2013,19:15) QUOTE Nevermind, I forgot this was the argue pointless topics completely unrelated to the thread, thread. Carry on. Just be glad LoL is still being mentioned in the past few pages. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,20:22
DTMan has a loud, proud history of thread jacking. There's still 90 pages of LoL here.
Posted by Trooper on Jul. 16 2013,07:33
Cracked me up this morning, NPR mentioned Riot AND League this morning related to this very arguement. . Lets just say the folks at the station agreed with the idea of calling pro gamers athletes. I just thought it was really cool that NPR did a story on not only gaming, but Riot and League, and spoke highly of both.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 16 2013,11:59
I'm going to address Malcolm's wall of text elsewhere when I have time. So let's get the LoL thread back on track... ![]() Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 16 2013,12:17
Where did that come from? From the faces, I know I know that artist but I can't quite place who it is...
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 16 2013,12:23
I think I saw it listed as fan art.
Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 16 2013,12:27
Yes, but by whom? No artist link?Probably posted by someone that stole it without crediting the source. *sigh* EDIT: Wait, did you think I thought that it was official Riot art? Heh. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 16 2013,12:40
< Fed Teemo - JonMierder (EUW) >.
Posted by Trooper on Jul. 16 2013,20:55
![]() WUT. REALLY. I have to play ranked against CLG Saint Vicious? Are you for real reals?!?! He rocked us too. . . . In other news, I'm about to graduate to the Silver tear! I've got 70 points atm, so only about 5 or so more games and I've got Silver status. One thing I've learned in all the ranked games I've played thus far, it's pointless to play with hitlers. . If you can duo with somebody, you've got a much much higher chance of advancing and winning. Met a random tonight in a ranked game who liked my play style, so we duo'd up and ended up rocking a few games to get my score back to normal, I think I'll be playing with him more often. Has class and doesn't trash anybody or make retarded jokes in chat all game long, has voice comms, and knew how to play several roles very proficiently. I think I might have found the final member for TKV, that way we can run 5v5 skirmishes and create an A team and B team. Also, still waiting on your thoughts for switching the adc and mid AP. . . Nobody commented on that, you were too busy arguing about stupid crap hahaha. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 16 2013,21:37
We've been having a lot of luck running the normal meta lately. If you were going to run an ADC, I'd just assume you run it in bot lane with support and let the AP stay mid. If we played better/smarter, we wouldn't have to go gimicky on people.
Posted by Stranger on Jul. 17 2013,04:04
Saintvicious plays for team Curse, not CLG. That wasn't him, he wouldn't be in your ELO, and besides he plays jungle and only jungle, watch his stream.And as far as AD mid.. NO, just NO.. don't try and reinvent the wheel. Posted by Trooper on Jul. 17 2013,05:56
Alllllrighty thennn.
Posted by Trooper on Jul. 17 2013,06:00
St vicious played for CLG before Curse, fyi. I do watch most of their streams, mostly Voyboy and Nintendude. We figured out at the beginning of the match that it was a joke, so I was joking aswell, thought it might get a few laughs.
Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 17 2013,06:46
Laughs?! LoL is srs bsns!!! No laughing!
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 17 2013,08:59
I don't mind trying things. We ran double jungle for a while too. But, there has to be some reason for it. We tried the "Let's throw them off their game" with double jungle. I don't think switching ADC with AP mid covers "throwing them off their game". I guess it COULD get our ADC fed faster as they get all the XP now. But, it makes them more vulnerable to ganks as they have no support. And really, the ADC gets power from items instead of levels. Where, the AP mid gets their power from spells as well as items. So, they need both. They'd be losing their level advantage sharing XP with the support.I dunno. I don't see where ADC mid is radical enough to mean much. Speaking of double jungle, I wonder how much better it would be with Sej instead of Noc/Rengar like we used to run. Move the ADC to mid, so they aren't laning against two people. An ADC SHOULD be able to lane against an AP mid. Top is top. Bottom would have to be a bruiser as well though. We lose our support, but the jungle people could share warding and support items. Not sure what champ would work well bottom against two enemies though. It's not enough to just keep them from killing your turret. You'd have to be able to farm and keep them from farming freely as well. A ranged bruiser of some kind. I dunno. But double jungle was fun. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 17 2013,09:23
Not for nothing, but we ran ADC mid quite a few times in the past. I always did it with MF. I'm pretty sure we've seen Ashe in mid before too. ADC mid used to be pretty common even for the pros. I had great success in the laning phase, and we figured out that most AP mids have AP protection runes as they expect to face an AP champ, not an ADC. Thus I could do more damage. They also routinely got hit HARD by my Q, which would force them way back since they can't front line. That also cut them off from farm. It was common for me to send an AP packing to another lane. The problem was our win rate wasn't great. Good teams would adjust. I'd get ganked often. Other lanes wouldn't hold up their end. Etc. Perhaps we'd be better at it now though? As for double jungle, what about a Sej/Taric combo? Why Taric? Because of his stun. (Sion would work too or Nasus and his slow.) We could be ultra aggressive early on, and probably get a lot of kills. The key would be to not let up. Just continue pressing the whole game. Posted by Stranger on Jul. 17 2013,09:47
(Cakedaddy @ Jul. 17 2013,11:59) QUOTE the ADC gets power from items instead of levels. Where, the AP mid gets their power from spells as well as items. So, they need both. They'd be losing their level advantage sharing XP with the support. This is basically the reason you don't see AD's in a solo lane. They need items, more than levels. Where as AP's need levels moreso than items. The AD's usually don't have as good of escapabilities or cc. And AP's would lose out on valuable XP by splitting it with support. This is why assasin solo lanes and casters like Pantheon and Chogath work solo lane. They dole out damage with thier abilities and not thier autoattacks. so levels help them more. It doesn't matter if thier abilites scale off of AD or AP. But AP items are generally cheaper than AD so AP solo lanes are ideal because your abilities deal the damage, you get higher in levels faster and your items are cheaper than an AD. Not that running and AD in mid can't work because anything can happen at bronze and silver level. But if you want to build a team the most effiecient way you don't generally send an AD to solo a lane, and an AP to split valuable XP. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 17 2013,13:58
I'm thinking Sej/Zac. Lots and lots of CC and damage. Sej and Jarvin could be fun. I'm diggin' CC lately. Loves me some CC. Sej/Hec would do a ton of damage and they are both pretty mobile. Double gank mid, split and do simultaneous ganks top and bottom, meet in mid again, go counter jungle, etc.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 17 2013,14:31
1. Big patch today.2. nevermind. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 19 2013,09:10
I'm out tonight, but will be on tomorrow night. Saw Cognito1 online for the first time in a while last night, but haven't seen riflescout or chaotic since the weekend. Played a single game as Lucian on the PBE yesterday, and so far, his kit doesn't impress me. His ult is going to be either devastating or we'll be laughing at how badly the person playing him misses. The biggest key to him: come at him from different directions. Don't group up, and he's worthless. Posted by Trooper on Jul. 19 2013,11:27
I can take Leisher's place tonight if need be, always available.
Posted by Trooper on Jul. 19 2013,17:08
Actually I lied. I've finally gotten around to assembling my ranked team, tonight is going to be our pilot game (first game together). **(XTRAKT) Dead Bloom vs. (TKV) The Knights of Vindication** You guys better be on, and you better bring your A game ;D we've all got established roles, and will be warmed up and ready to take you guys head on. This should be fun! Posted by GORDON on Jul. 19 2013,17:24
Leisher is already out. No word from Cake or Stranger or anyone else.
Posted by Trooper on Jul. 20 2013,00:29
Hopefully tomorrow both teams can get their full roster online to play a real match-up! Was still fun none the less, had a lot of fun despite all the unnecessary trash talk from the "Classy, we don't talk trash ever" Cakedaddy. . . hahah Soon his pride and cockiness will put him flat on his back =p Good games, well played gentlemen. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 20 2013,01:56
I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to my team mates. Not my fault you were listening to me.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2013,10:35
(Trooper @ Jul. 20 2013,03:29) QUOTE Hopefully tomorrow both teams can get their full roster online to play a real match-up! If your team hadn't been beaten 4 games out of 5, would it have been a "real match-up" then? Posted by Trooper on Jul. 20 2013,16:02
Idk what you're talking about, we played 3 games. You won 2, we won 1. 3rd match-up was a very close match too, so you got us barely. I also had two substitutes on my team that aren't on the XTRAKT roster. . . So. Yeah. You can call it what you like, but I prefer to look at the reality of the situation. You got lucky! It's also only going to be a matter of time before Rifle gets tired of carrying a bunch of players that aren't even equal to half his own ELO status, and when that day comes, your team will take a very hard hit. At least all of my teammates are the same ELO as me, so I won't ever have to worry about losing any players. And congratulations beating a team that had been assembled in 3 hours! We'll have to take you guys on again after we get as much experience working with each other as you guys do. What, 3 years worth of playing? Yeah. You guys are in trouble if we keep this rivalry going =] Until then, enjoy your pitiful victory while it lasts =P Oh and Cake, you know I could hear every word you said clearly, and I know that was your intention too. That was not cool at all, and I really don't want to play with you anymore after that crap. A little would have been alright, but you took it wayyyyyyyy to far. . You lost a lot of respect and class for your team in my book! You're no better than a Ohio State fan at this point! Tsk tsk tsk. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2013,17:53
Excuses excuses. Spanked hard, and the only person surprised by it was you. And you KNOW the only reason you won the game you won was because we had 40% of our team afk for ten minutes.Those games werent even close to as hard as the games we usually play. Posted by Trooper on Jul. 20 2013,18:07
So your excuses are valid, but mine aren't hahah. I see how it is.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 20 2013,18:19
We weren't talking all night about how we were going to own you. You were though. We proved you wrong. You lost.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2013,19:41
(Trooper @ Jul. 20 2013,21:07) QUOTE So your excuses are valid, but mine aren't hahah. I see how it is. Furthermore, I wasn't impressed by any individual person's play on that team, no matter what their rank. My 7 year old kid plays better than your team, and he can barely reach all the keys because his hands are so small. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 20 2013,21:58
I assume video of these ass whoopings exist?
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2013,22:26
Unless my game recorder glitched. I haven't watched a vid in a while.
Posted by Stranger on Jul. 23 2013,07:16
i saw we got bronze 3. nice!! Like George and Weezie, we're moving on up.I saw that Theo is off the team, not sure if someone removed him or he just quit. i'm assuming he just quit and went to the dark side. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 23 2013,08:15
QUOTE i saw we got bronze 3. nice!! Like George and Weezie, we're moving on up. We got it over the weekend. QUOTE I saw that Theo is off the team, not sure if someone removed him or he just quit. He was removed to make room for a new member. It was not done in a malicious way or anything. However, I think he is also on Scooty's team. Posted by Stranger on Jul. 23 2013,13:30
< http://www.azubu.tv/channel/live_small.do?cn_id=2125982474001# >This is a video of CLG's bot laners Doublelift and Chauster playing their new smurf accounts against Bronze level players. He puts a tweet out on his stream at the beggining saying he's starting a new account to get to Challenger level. All i i know is that i watched about the first 15 mins of the game he was 17-0-2. It was pretty hilarious to see how easily they just rolled those Bronzies. Posted by Stranger on Jul. 23 2013,13:54
the funniest shit is reading what everyone else says in the chat. They have no clue..
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 23 2013,16:35
Obviously the guy is good or he wouldn't be a pro, but what's impressive about him stomping Bronze players and then talking smack about it?Although, that first game...I don't know who he was playing, but I've never seen people that bad. Never. He was right about those guys playing worse than bots. They never even tried to farm!!! Teemo as the ADC with Garen support? Where are those matchups when we play? This is like Jerry Rice in his prime showing up at an intramural flag football game, and mocking the people who can't cover him. Anyway, I took screenshots of his runes/masteries to learn from them, and I was happy to see he built the same way I do. However, I was super impressed with whoever was playing Nami. That dude is awesome. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 29 2013,18:57
We made the promotion series in 3v3 last night.... and now today, when we haven't played, we already lost a game? What the hell?
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 29 2013,18:58
Scooty was waiting to play after you. He waited the entire game, and I was going to log, but I felt bad, so we played. Ran into a pretty solid team comp. Long and well fought match, but we lost. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 29 2013,19:06
Never occurred to me we wouldn't run the series with the same team that won 4 games in a row to get into the series.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 01 2013,11:44
Since you didn't play any of the games that got the team into Bronze II, does that mean you are never aloud to play SR with the team again?I figured that if you are on the team, you can play the games. On a side note, Sej has a "Bear Cavalry" skin. It's not awesome, but it's something. Should I get it so she's skinned or hold out for something better? Posted by GORDON on Aug. 01 2013,14:32
not the same thing at all. i helped get us to the series, and i wanted to run the series.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 01 2013,23:21
Then I guess we have to define the parameters of the team. Is TT only Gordon, Cake, Leisher? Should we create a separate team if others want to go 3v3? We had three people on. The option was TT or play non-ranked 5v5 with strangers. It never occurred to me that some games would be off limits to some teammates. But if they are, lets spell it out so we don't step on toes again.Also: Night project is finally over. I am available week nights again. That sucked. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 02 2013,06:02
I am probably out tonight, but may get on really late 12-2. I should be on Saturday.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2013,08:02
There are a ton of people on the roster now, just do whatever with whoever, especially 5v5 which I suck at. And I have dropped the mindset that we have a core 3v3 team too, so dont wait for me. I no longer care.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2013,21:41
I only play ARAM now. FYI.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 03 2013,09:11
(GORDON @ Aug. 03 2013,00:41) QUOTE I only play ARAM now. FYI. Since I was not on last night I don't know what this statement means. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 03 2013,11:24
There is no hidden meaning. I am now an ARAManiac.Also, I don't think I have ever been on the winning team of an ARAM game. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 03 2013,11:36
(GORDON @ Aug. 03 2013,14:24) QUOTE There is no hidden meaning. I am now an ARAManiac. Also, I don't think I have ever been on the winning team of an ARAM game. Fine, don't tell me. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 03 2013,11:48
STranger and I played some ARAMs last night with one or two others, and a hitler or 2.One hitler had the really good wisdom of getting mad and telling us to dodge Nidalee's spears, so he was awesome. I had Sion twice in a row, randomly. So now I know how much I suck at Sion. TKV is doing much better at 5v5 since I have been away, going up at least 2 ranks, so now we know I was holding back the team. I am not considered to be an essential element of the 3v3 team, so I don't care about that any more, either. No one gives a shit if you suck in ARAM, so that's the game for me. As soon as someone on the TKV rolls rides my ass for not playing some random champ correctly in ARAM, and I doubt it will be long before that happens, I will probably quit the game entirely, only turning it on to play some custom games with my kid from time to time. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 03 2013,11:59
On a somewhat related note, I decided that I don't really like playing with high school kids. I'm too old to put up with that shit. I know we wanted to fill the ranks, but it just isn't fun for me because I don't have the patience to deal with them. And I don't want to have the patience. Because I am too old for that shit.I love the fact I have been playing the game since they were in junior high, gaming online since they were in kindergarten, and computer gaming in general since before they were born, and they still tell me that I should look into Flash because it is much better, or some other really basic thing. I can't tell them to go fuck themselves because you guys want them on the team, and it could loosely be interpreted as child abuse. I just dont have the patience any more. Sorry. Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 03 2013,13:13
Some of them are better than all of us and have good advice that we should follow.About a year and a half ago, I always took ghost instead of flash until you all told me flash was better. Even though I still thought ghost was better and could explain a good sounding reason why. But, I tried ghost anyways. I found that it is better than ghost. I used to take Zonya's on Sej because it let me initiate and live a little bit longer soaking up more damage. Sometimes it let me escape the fight even. But someone questioned why I took it and made a suggestion for another item. When I took a look at the math, I found that I actually was better off with the other item and now I take that one. It also opened my eyes to something very obvious, and I change my build order now too. Sometimes the highschoolers who have more time to play more games and read more websites and watch more pro matches actually have valuable things to say that us old timers should listen to. I don't think we are doing better because you aren't playing. I think it's because we've recruited an uber mid that decimates the other teams. Rifle, who is by far the best person on our team, offered to leave a game and duo queue with cognito, who is by far the worst person on our team for two reasons. 1. To coach cognito and help him improve. 2. So that Leisher and I could play on the 5v5 team because when we logged on at the same time, we had 7 people on the team. Cognito volunteered to step down because he knew he was the weakest link. And he said no one had to duo with him because he didn't want to drag them down. Rifle offered to go with him for the reasons above. Yes, they are highschoolers, but they also understand teamwork and sportsmanship. We have been riding you for years about the game. When the new kids started doing that, you didn't like it. I understand that. They haven't earned the right to banter with you the way we can. Tell them to shut the fuck up then. I doubt that will make them leave the team. If it does, good riddance because I want people with thicker skins on my team. At that same time, don't think that everything someone says, or any advice someone gives is just being a dick to you and doesn't deserve to be listened to because you've been gaming since before they were born. It's a new game. A new generation of gamers. They have skills and can be intelligent. Cut them some slack. Lastly, if you want a private team that only we play on, then lets do that. I REALLY didn't know TT was that sacred to you. We've been in and out of promo series a number of times. I didn't know this promo series was the golden one. But really, it turns out that you just wanted TT to be for us. And that's fine. If you only want to play this game with us, then we'll create "The Threeve Amigos" and only play with you, me and leisher. And of course someone is going to tell you you suck in ARAM. It's the Internet. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 03 2013,13:35
QUOTE One hitler had the really good wisdom of getting mad and telling us to dodge Nidalee's spears, so he was awesome. That's a good tip. Why didn't we think of that? QUOTE TKV is doing much better at 5v5 since I have been away, going up at least 2 ranks, so now we know I was holding back the team. I would honestly say the biggest factor in our turnaround is having someone call the games. QUOTE I am not considered to be an essential element of the 3v3 team, so I don't care about that any more, either. Here's the thing: There is not a single one of us that is considered "essential" anymore. Not one. Not even Riflescout. We play ranked games almost exclusively unless we're training, and then we're in normals or goofing off in ARAM. We've played ranked without Stranger, you, Cake, Rifle, Chaotic, etc. and that list includes me. I did not want to play that 3v3, but I felt bad for Scooty because he waited 40 minutes to play with us. I did not know it was ranked until the game was launched. If I had been asked, I would have suggested we not play ranked, and not because I think Scooty lost us the game, but because I hadn't played a game with him in forever on that map. I would have felt the same way about most of the current TKV peeps in the same situation. And FYI, you absolutely kicked ass earlier that evening. If you want, I'd be more than willing to say that TKV TT ranked should be the three of us. We can tell everyone. Although, would we be able to stop Rifle, Sniper, and Chaotic if they went to play a TT ranked game? No, however, I'm pretty sure they'd honor our request. Cake and I could have played that ranked game with Scooty under the other TKV guild banner, and should have. QUOTE No one gives a shit if you suck in ARAM, so that's the game for me. As soon as someone on the TKV rolls rides my ass for not playing some random champ correctly in ARAM, and I doubt it will be long before that happens, I will probably quit the game entirely, only turning it on to play some custom games with my kid from time to time. If you quit, you quit. That's on you. However, I will tell you that every single person, including Rifle takes criticism, and I've yet to hear anyone say "Gordo is a dick" or anything like that about anyone else. Nobody is being personal, and there's always been good natured ribbing in all team sports/events/etc. If you feel it goes to far, say something. I'll back you up, and have when I told Rifle to cut out the chatter in game. QUOTE On a somewhat related note, I decided that I don't really like playing with high school kids. I'm too old to put up with that shit. I know we wanted to fill the ranks, but it just isn't fun for me because I don't have the patience to deal with them. And I don't want to have the patience. Because I am too old for that shit. I love the fact I have been playing the game since they were in junior high, gaming online since they were in kindergarten, and computer gaming in general since before they were born, and they still tell me that I should look into Flash because it is much better, or some other really basic thing. I can't tell them to go fuck themselves because you guys want them on the team, and it could loosely be interpreted as child abuse. I just dont have the patience any more. Sorry. Listen I get that. There's a whole old lion, young lion mentality at play here. You need to get past it. I did, and I'm playing much better for it. Remember when I was the ADC? Then I was mid? Now I can play anywhere, and I just fill whatever is needed, including support. The game never gets remotely boring because I could be anywhere as any champ. On top of that, the game has started slowing down for me, and I'm starting to really understand it even more than before. It's like a golf swing. If you have a bad habit in your golf swing and you practice every day, you are simply reinforcing that bad habit. You're not getting better. However, if you have someone working with you to correct that bad habit, you get better. About a week ago, I carried (their words) that team of youngsters. Pulled off a Quadrakill after my ult had already been burned as Keenen, which means the kills were simply coming from plays. Gordo, we sucked at this game. Seriously. We were far worse than we ever thought. Playing with these guys has completely changed the way we play and look at the game. If you don't want to listen to them for advice, listen to Cake, Stranger, and I as we've all gotten vastly better, and are dropping our old habits. You are too, you just don't realize it. Notice how much your roster has expanded? Notice how much you kicked ass with a champ not named Singed the other night? A champ I've been recommending you play for over a year... ![]() Do what I did: Drop the ego, and ask for help. Talk about champs, roles, builds, runes, masteries, etc. You'd be surprised at how willing these new guys and your previous teammates (us) will be to help you out. Final note: Cake and I aren't writing these walls of text because we want you to quit. Are there going to be some humbling moments when you realize you've been doing something wrong, as you realize you should sit because there's a better top laner on, etc? Of course, but we ALL have to do that. Is Chaotic a better ADC than me? Not especially. He's good, but there isn't a huge ton of difference between us. We both can roll or get behind. We're both aggressive. Yet, I happily turn my role over to him because he's FAR superior at calling games. Rifle is better at mid than me. Cake a better jungle. Stranger a better support (although I have a much better winning rate...ha!). However, I now fill any role and somehow I'm asked to play in most of the team's games (even non-TKV games). So stop getting down on yourself, and follow the exact same path Cake and I did. Hell, let's match the 5v5 team in ranks with our 3v3 team. Any more words of quitting out of you and I'll write the Marine Corps and tell them to transfer your records to the Coast Guard. Posted by Trooper on Aug. 03 2013,15:26
Stranger and I had a good hour at least of discussion on how to improve my support game last night, regarding champions/runes/masteries/items. . . etcReally glad he gave me those pointers too, because it made me think about a lot of things I was neglecting. I rolled our support role last night, it was freaking awesome, and I honestly owe it to Strangers tips before we got started. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 05 2013,12:11
Apparently Chaotic is on vacation as of this morning, and Cake is back to every night. So if you're reading this Stranger, try to get on a night or two this week. We'll get the band back together in bot lane. BTW, I'm spectating while at work, and Rifle just got another Penta. Posted by Stranger on Aug. 05 2013,12:41
i will be looking to get on a few times this week. I'm also going to be on vacation starting friday and will be gone till the following sunday so i'll miss the next two weekends.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 06 2013,10:42
I should be on the rest of this week.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 06 2013,12:03
The only night I don't believe I'll be on is Wednesday.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 06 2013,18:31
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 09 2013,12:59
I will be on after 10 tonight, probably closer to 11. Might be the same Saturday. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 09 2013,13:36
I'll be on by about 10. Sorry. More bad Voli flips for you guys.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 11 2013,01:03
3 games as taric and I think I'm already a better support than Stranger. Know how I know? 1 kill in 3 games.
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 11 2013,06:44
(Cakedaddy @ Aug. 11 2013,04:03) QUOTE 3 games as taric and I think I'm already a better support than Stranger. Know how I know? 1 kill in 3 games. Nice! But sometimes u gotta learn to carry as the support when ur teammates don't know how to finish off the kill. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 11 2013,09:47
Who is Stranger? Does he play with us? ![]() Posted by Leisher on Aug. 11 2013,17:23
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 11 2013,17:39
Thatsa good one.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 11 2013,18:38
Roles:I am not married to top. I would not mind going other positions. I feel I could do equally well, right now, as mid or ADC. I would be "ok" as jungle, and a disaster as support. I wouldn't mind changing up now and then. I miss Morgana and Ryze. edit - I don't know I own any "pure" ADC champs. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 12 2013,13:41
Since I'm at work, if I get bored I can do the occasional bot game. I did one with Master Yi, and he is stupid OP. Point and click ftw.
Posted by Trooper on Aug. 12 2013,19:25
Not that easy when you play real players. They don't just let you stand there and point and click, you're a glass cannon essentially, it's extremely easy to shut him down when your team is organized. CC is king, his ult was de-buffed to make him stoppable.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 13 2013,09:34
Duh. I am very aware of the difference between bots and humans. However, I find his kit to be ridiculously easy. In fact, I'd say he's the easiest champ in the game. I say this as a Trynd player which is a character that has received similar criticism.Yi's abilities are: Q: point and click W: heal E: increase damage for 5 seconds R: increased speed, attack speed, and immune to slows Not a skill shot in sight. E, Q into fights and W to heal. Use R when needed. Cool down reductions are so easy to achieve that I found his alpha strike almost permanently available. Compare him to another glass cannon, Tryndamere. Trynd- Q: used to heal but consumes rage. W: blood scream (slow or enemy ad reduced) E: spinning slash R: infinite rage (invulnerable for 5 seconds) His Q requires strategy because as your rage builds, you do more damage. Heal yourself, and your damage drops significantly. Don't use the heal and that rage decays out of combat. His E can either be used to reduce enemy ad or slow them if their backs are to you but not both. It's cool down is long enough that you can usually only use it once during an engagement so choose wisely. His W is an actual skill shot. His R is like smite. You've got to know when to use it. Too early and you wasted it. Too late and you're dead. And before you get all offended by my shredding of Yi keep in mind that I'm not being mean, just pointing out facts. Kind of like you did way back in the day about Tryndamere. ![]() Yi isn't being banned a lot right now for his kit, but because he's a bit OP. riot would agree since nerfs have already been announced. Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 14 2013,21:07
Leisher, do you have your Teemo card yet?< https://serve.com/leagueoflegends/ > Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 14 2013,22:26
I'm totally going to get one of those cards. It's free to get and add money via direct deposit. It costs me $1.65 to do it through Quickbooks.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 15 2013,04:20
(Cakedaddy @ Aug. 15 2013,00:07) QUOTE Leisher, do you have your Teemo card yet? < https://serve.com/leagueoflegends/ > Ha, funny. My amazon.com visa, though, has a better payoff. Just using it to pay the monthly bills I get about $30 credit every month on amazon. Though I would get one anyway if there were a Singed. But I'd stop using it after I got my 1k RP. Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 15 2013,10:06
Looks like you get 1RP for every $3 you spend.You get 1k for sign up. 1k for putting money on it the first time. 10k for a direct deposit of >$20 100RP / purchase for your first 10 purchases. I plan to sign up, direct deposit $21, buy 10 small things and probably be done. Putting money on is free and I didn't see anything about monthly maint crap eating up my $20. So, I'm going to milk the full 13k out of it. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 15 2013,15:22
90% sure I'm out tonight. And I am getting a Teemo card.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 15 2013,15:24
My wife says AmEx cards have a yearly fee.
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 15 2013,15:50
I have an AmEx Blue that has no yearly fee.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 15 2013,15:56
No wonder her bank just got bought out.
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 15 2013,16:17
I have an AmEx without fee as well. They vary. But this card isn't a credit card, right? It's a spending card.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 15 2013,21:59
Correct. Not a credit card. Prepaid.On another note, I got my first penta!! It was in an ARAM game. But, I'll take it. I was Ziggs. Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 16 2013,07:35
Signed up. Also picked Teemo because the other champs are lame. Ya, I play Vi, but Teemo still looks better on the card.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 16 2013,11:46
Just signed up and already received my first 1,000 RP.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 16 2013,16:47
I will be on close to 10. Going to watch the Phineas and Ferb/Marvel special with the kids.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 18 2013,14:21
Here are the Yi "fixes" coming:Buff's for high elo viability Meditate: Damage reduction is now 50/55/60/65/70% (changed from 40/47.5/55/62.5/70%) Nerfs to prevent stomping in low elo's AttackSpeedPerLevel: is now 2 (down from 2.75) Wuju Style Passive Attack Damage bonus changed to a flat percent across all ranks (10%) Highlander Now passively reduces the remaining cooldown for Master Yi's basic abilities by 70% on a kill or assist rather than 18 seconds on kill or 9 seconds on assist Posted by Stranger on Aug. 18 2013,14:56
Anyone plan on playing tonight? I'm finally home and look forward to playing a few games.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 18 2013,15:10
I might be on. I'm a bit under the weather, so I'm not 100% on playing or not.In different news, Cognito told me Chaotic will be cutting down his LoL hours dramatically when he gets back to college. Can't fault the man for that. He's got his priorities straight. However, that means we're going to be down our ADC. So either I'm stepping back into that role as primary or someone else can, and I'll take over elsewhere. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 18 2013,15:57
I have a pretty good time with ADC if it comes to that.Also, I shouldn't be on tonight because I have to be up by 5am, but I will probable play for a bit, anyway. Just try to not start past 10. Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 19 2013,22:56
I swear, I am NEVER playing with James again. So tired of having quality people on and having to hold his hand in games and lose all night long. Granted, we are trying different champs, different roles, so it's not "all his fault". But, we play that way because we can't play a serious game.Tired of playing shit games just because we have lesser ability people on and no one can tell them we don't want to play with them. Said at the beginning of the night that I was just going to solo queue. REALLY wish I had. A whole night of losing. Yay. At least I think James had fun. If an "A" team is on, and we aren't playing, then I'm soloing. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 20 2013,07:59
I told you to solo so I could watch a movie. You didn't.It wasn't a whole night. It was 2-3 games, and we won the last one. Plus, it was all ARAM. By the way, Rifle is now on the forums. He's setup like Scooty. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 20 2013,13:20
Actually I haven't had time to set it up yet
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 20 2013,13:44
Yeah, you took too long so I set it up.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 20 2013,14:02
Oh, word. I was going to get to it when my buzz was gone. kept screwing it up w/buzz so i gave up
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 20 2013,18:25
< Hacked >QUOTE League of Legends is hacked, with crucial user info accessed
One of the world's most popular online video games falls prey to a security breach involving usernames, e-mail addresses, salted passwords, and 120,000 salted credit card numbers. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 20 2013,18:31
Yeah, they had an announcement up on the client this morning. They've asked folks to change their passwords, and the credit card stuff is from 2011. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 20 2013,18:32
QUOTE The salted data is somewhat protected, but if users have easily guessable passwords, their information could be susceptible to theft, Riot Games warned. Hey, Rock ... QUOTE As for Riot Games, the company is instituting new security features, such as e-mail verification and two-factor authentication, and is also requiring users to change their passwords to "stronger ones that are much harder to guess." Meet hard place. Although, I assume you can tick the "remember this password" option somewhere. Posted by RifleScout on Aug. 20 2013,19:07
I definitely agree with u caked about cognito1. When we have a good team on we need to use them
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 20 2013,19:12
(RifleScout @ Aug. 20 2013,22:07) QUOTE I definitely agree with u caked about cognito1. When we have a good team on we need to use them I think you just made Cake's year. Posted by RifleScout on Aug. 20 2013,20:03
I am glad i could support you.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 20 2013,21:05
Ok, so, besides Cog not being part of one. . . Who is the good team?:-) Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 20 2013,22:54
Considering switching back to a damage jungle. FYI.
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 21 2013,07:02
(Cakedaddy @ Aug. 21 2013,01:54) QUOTE Considering switching back to a damage jungle. FYI. Do whatever you think works best for you, but the team would be losing someone that can soak up some damage. Most jungler's are there for the cc anyways, like Sej, the more cc you can deliver during a teamfight the better. usually top, mid and AD can do enough damage. Personally when i jungle i always go for tanky and cooldown reduction. One of the reasons ive been building all tank items on my supports is because we usually dont have anyone that can stick around in a teamfight. But as support i don't have enough income to really become a full on tank. So like i said, its up to you how you feel the most effective. But i've always thought tanky initiatiors with lots of cc and cooldown reduction are the way to go. I can see in solo q building for more damage cause you can never be sure what your team is gonna be like, but with Rifle, Leisher and others they usually can deal enough damage if you ask me. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 21 2013,10:37
Holy fucking shit!!!The new password requirements are insane, and you're forced to change your password before logging on. Posted by RifleScout on Aug. 21 2013,11:50
just change password then change ti right back to what it was. And i think our best team would be leisher support sniper or mark adc/top me mid and alex jungle. But when one of them are nto on stranger would be next, cant really count tyler anymore. And i do like the sej for the cc and tankiness.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 21 2013,15:41
Mm hmm.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 21 2013,18:58
Ya, solo queue as a tank is about as effective as being support in solo. No matter how good you are, all you can do is watch your team around you fail.As far as our team. . . the damage dealers need to step up if I'm to stay tanky. :-) Posted by GORDON on Aug. 21 2013,19:01
Yeah, good luck with the A Team. Step up, you damage dealers!
Posted by RifleScout on Aug. 21 2013,20:15
If we have a tanky top and/or support then a damage dealer jungle would be fine, otherwise we need the tankiness.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 22 2013,05:31
Do you A TEAM people need me to set you up a private forum so we shitty second stringers can't eavesdrop on your strategy meetings? I could totally do that.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 22 2013,07:45
Big patch today. < Patch Notes >Lucian is out. Nerfs for Yi, Twitch, Zac, Blade of the Ruined King, etc. Arcade Hecarim is also out, which seems like a must purchase for Stranger. Posted by RifleScout on Aug. 22 2013,19:13
I think with Tyler being gone we need someone to call plays mainly for team fights and after team fights. If no one has any problems with it I could try to be the play caller. I know that i am still somewhat adjusting to playing with a team rather than solo que but I think I have become more of a team player. Again if you have any problems with it I would be more than happy to let someone else call the plays.
Posted by Trooper on Aug. 22 2013,19:54
There can only be one Scooty Poof. . . . . Madness.
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 23 2013,11:21
Been a long week of work for me, had to make up tons of work since i was gone last week. I'll be on tonight for sure.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 23 2013,12:00
I will be on, but not until 10-11.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 23 2013,13:15
Don't wait for me.
Posted by RifleScout on Aug. 23 2013,13:18
i wont be on till about 11-12 i close tonight, but i will be on
Posted by RifleScout on Aug. 23 2013,13:27
I have a suggestion for when we don't have stranger or sniper. We should put Leisher as support, Caked jungle, Mark adc, and Scooty top. Because without stranger we don't have very many aggressive/useful supports. In my opinion Alistar is a better support than Taric. And I have seen Mark's adc and he is actually a scary adc. But again its up to you guys also. I mean after all, this is a team.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 23 2013,13:34
Mm hmm.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 23 2013,13:48
We should rename this thread "League of Passive Aggression".Also, I disagree with your last post Rifle. I'll explain later. Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 23 2013,14:36
This all seems like so much fun. I can see the appeal.
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 23 2013,14:40
(TPRJones @ Aug. 23 2013,17:36) QUOTE This all seems like so much fun. I can see the appeal. Win Posted by Leisher on Aug. 23 2013,14:50
It's a great that's often ruined by human behavior.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 23 2013,19:00
Ya, "Human Behavior" ruins everything.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 23 2013,19:59
Also, no more 'Switzerland' bullshit! None of us want to play with Cog. Don't make me be the only asshole who makes sure we don't!
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 24 2013,21:10
Played a couple bot games as Leona to learn her abilities. Very easy to play, but still melee.So I bought thresh. LOOOONG range basic attack. Wacky E that I'm getting used to. Need to remember to throw the lantern for the shield. Over all, his abilities are easy to use, etc. Just have to work on timing. But not too much. Just went 47/3 in a bot game. Soloed baron. Ended the game with 7k unspent gold. Was tanking turrets to kill them. Would harvest minions for health. So, I'm ready for a real game now. Posted by RifleScout on Aug. 25 2013,18:31
I wont be on during the week or tonight till i get my labtop back. (got grounded for a bit lol, parents op)
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 25 2013,21:18
$5 gets you 650 RP and $20 gets you 2800. The 13k, when bought in bulk, would cost about $85. $50 for 7200 and $35 for 5000.So, 1RP per $3 spent is a HORRIBLE return. But, 13k for the $25 I put on the card and then spend is free. Sign up for a card - Free Put money on it - Free Spend that money - Free Get 13k RP for doing that - Priceless. Thank you AmEx. But, there is one catch. You get a minimum of 1RP for using the card. So, you could buy a pack of gum for $.50 and get one RP for it. So, you could increase your return by doing hundreds of micro transactions. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2013,22:44
Ok, yeah, as long as there isn't a fee, it's a good deal.Just signed up and already got my initial 1k RP. I chose the Lux card... nice boobies. Posted by Stranger on Aug. 26 2013,05:16
From my understanding you only get the 10k RP with a direct deposit only, meaning that you can't just put money on it from your bank. I've read a couple of different comments on this on the LOL forums and some people are saying it needs to be from your employer, but im not sure if thats true. Can you guys confirm this? cause i'm not going to have my employer change my direct deposit for some RP.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 26 2013,06:11
QUOTE From my understanding you only get the 10k RP with a direct deposit only, meaning that you can't just put money on it from your bank. I've read a couple of different comments on this on the LOL forums and some people are saying it needs to be from your employer, but im not sure if thats true. Can you guys confirm this? cause i'm not going to have my employer change my direct deposit for some RP. It says right in the marketing that the 10k bonus is for direct deposit. Direct deposit gets setup from sources of income, so yes, your employer. "Just go to your payroll lady and say the following: I want to set aside some money for Christmas. Can you please setup a direct deposit of $20 (or whatever) from all future checks so that it goes to this card?" Then cancel the direct deposit and/or the card whenever you want. Posted by Stranger on Aug. 26 2013,06:32
Ahhh... thats crap. The lady that does our payroll is a lazy fat slob and she would just bitch and moan if she had to do something out of the ordinary. When i asked her about splitting up my paycheck into two different accounts a while back she acted like i was asking for her first born. I'd just prefer not to even deal with it then.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 26 2013,06:55
Once you sign up, you'll have access to the Serve.com site. Within, you'll find a simple form to fill out that will handle the issue for you. Print it. Check mark a box, add an amount, sign it, and hand it to your payroll. She can't complain because it's her job. If she does, see her supervisor. After Christmas, cancel the DD and the card. Done. I just turned my form in and it took my payroll lady about 20 seconds to enter in the information. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 26 2013,09:14
Be sure to cancel the DD, give it a month or two to make sure it actually stops, THEN close the Amex account.I used to do payroll for my battalion in the Marines and that was a common mistake. Fucktards change and close their old account to something local before the DD has had time to process and switch over... then their funds end up in limbo. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 26 2013,10:59
Apparently, it will miss my next paycheck (Wednesday), but will hit in two weeks. I'll let you know when I see 10k RP show up on my account.
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 26 2013,13:08
< http://www.forbes.com/sites....an-hour >LOL sells out finals at the Staples Center in under an hour! Posted by GORDON on Aug. 26 2013,13:13
(Stranger @ Aug. 26 2013,16:08) QUOTE < http://www.forbes.com/sites....an-hour > LOL sells out finals at the Staples Center in under an hour! But haven't you heard? Valve keeps telling us that DOTA2 has better numbers than LOL. Judging by the number of DOTA2 articles I have seen in PC Gamer for the last few months, I have no reason to believe Valve is giving them money. Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 26 2013,13:53
![]() Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 26 2013,16:10
I'm predicting South Korea will open the first RTS uni that offers some type of "associates/bachelors/doctors degree of digital warfare and virtual resource management."
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 26 2013,16:18
(TheCatt @ Aug. 26 2013,16:53) QUOTE ![]() That cartoon came out before the Air Force was giving medals to drone pilots when they successfully bomb a wedding party. Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 26 2013,16:20
(Malcolm @ Aug. 26 2013,19:10) QUOTE I'm predicting South Korea will open the first RTS uni that offers some type of "associates/bachelors/doctors degree of digital warfare and virtual resource management." Maybe Gordon can enroll. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 26 2013,16:52
(TheCatt @ Aug. 26 2013,18:20) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Aug. 26 2013,19:10) QUOTE I'm predicting South Korea will open the first RTS uni that offers some type of "associates/bachelors/doctors degree of digital warfare and virtual resource management." Maybe Gordon can enroll. ![]() Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 26 2013,18:42
I do my own payroll, so it's easy for me to do a single direct deposit.Also, no need to "cancel" the card. It's prepaid, not a credit card. Just stop putting money on it. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 26 2013,18:44
(Malcolm @ Aug. 26 2013,19:52) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Aug. 26 2013,18:20) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Aug. 26 2013,19:10) QUOTE I'm predicting South Korea will open the first RTS uni that offers some type of "associates/bachelors/doctors degree of digital warfare and virtual resource management." Maybe Gordon can enroll. ![]() I purposely don't post images in the LiveJournal thread because they have that "burn" added. QUOTE Judging by the number of DOTA2 articles I have seen in PC Gamer for the last few months, I have no reason to believe Valve is giving them money. When I subscribed to that magazine, I often wondered why they had nothing but articles about DOTA2, and barely ever talked about LoL. QUOTE That cartoon came out before the Air Force was giving medals to drone pilots when they successfully bomb a wedding party. What kind of medals do Marines get when they commit war crimes and/or make gay porn? Posted by GORDON on Aug. 26 2013,19:26
Navy Cross.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 26 2013,19:39
Ha!
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 26 2013,21:34
< Don't mess with Pendragon. >
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 26 2013,23:03
I don't know that I'll be on Tuesday night. Only getting 3.5 hours of sleep tonight (thanks Leisher). If we don't have a full team on, I'm gonna take a night off.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 27 2013,05:05
I logged in, said hi, then my internet dropped.
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 29 2013,10:30
i know it sounds kinda crazy, but what do you guys think of a Ashe support? She has lots of cc and vision, i would build her tanky with cooldown reduction to keep her ult up alot. Her ult is an awesome initiate, something that helps when you can get that out of a support. And it scales off of AP so i might even get some AP to do some extra damage. It could be an agressive lane by having two ranged AD's on bot. Just a thought, and wanted to know what you guys think. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 29 2013,11:52
It's definitely an interesting concept. There's no doubt that she'd win the harass in lane. Where you'd get into trouble is the multiple shot arrow, which would be a key harass tool. You'd need to make sure that you hit the enemy and as few minions as possible. You'd also need to pull off enemies so your ADC can get that last hit. Worth a try in normals. Posted by Stranger on Aug. 29 2013,12:47
plus with the way her passive works, the first auto attack would be a crit everytime. So hide in the bush, volly to slow, and first hit crit will do lots of damage to start a trade, AD should be able to handle the rest from there. and if it doesn't the perma slow Q or Ult assures they can't get away.
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 30 2013,06:59
i tried the Ashe support in a solo q normal game last night. I wasn't totally impressed with it nor was i disappointed. Lane phase worked pretty good, it was me and Quinn vs. a Lucian and Soraka. The poke was good having two ranged AD's and the slows worked pretty well. My problem was when it got to mid game. Maybe it was because the other team had two beefy tanks in Shen and Udyr that just couldn't be slowed down with my volly shots, but i figured the slows would be a little bit more effective. And building support items meant i was doing zero damage, like Shen just stood there and took down our tower while i put everything i had onto him and i swear his hp wasn't moving. I kinda expected this but it was pretty pitiful, Sona could do more damage easily at this point. My idea with the build was to support tho, i built sightstone and philostone like any support should. I also built Black Cleaver so that when i volly shot i would armor shred enemies, and since i was at max cooldown of 40% i could spam that all day and put max stacks on them. So while i wasn't doing any damage our team could easily take down the Shen and Udyr without a problem when i got a couple of vollies on them. I also built Zeke's Herald for the teamwide AD and lifesteal bonuses, this also had cooldown reduction on it. With these two items and the cooldown boots i was able to get the 40% cooldown cause i wanted the ult to be up as often as possible because this was the only ability that really felt effective as a support. Having my ult up every 40 seconds is pretty sweet and being able to initiate from the backline as a support is just plane awesome for teamfights. The game lasted way too long, like 50 mins so i actually was able to build an IE towards the end and actually get to do some damage. If i was to do anything different i would prolly change my masteries, as the defence didn't seem to make a difference, if i got caught out i was dead, period. Not something that i will prolly bring to a ranked game yet, but with the proper team and some work it might be ok. Having an ult like that on support with such low cooldown is really good for team fights. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 30 2013,08:06
Stranger and I played an epic ARAM match last night. The match went on for 35 minutes, and by the end, both teams only had their nexus remaining. We ended up losing in the end, but it was the most fun I've had in a match in recent memory.The game started with Stranger getting Ziggs, then trading me for Mundo. A random on our team wanted to trade me Pantheon for Ziggs, but I declined. We also had an Ahri and a Morganna. The enemy team was Fiora, Wukong, Darius, Janna, and Jayce. So we had the poke, in theory, but up close, they'd kick our ass. Stranger did most of the ass kicking early on. He was carrying the team and ended at 18/17/39. Second most kills with Mundo! Late game, I channeled my inner Platinum and honestly had one of the best games I've ever played. I finished at 31/13/26. I was frustrating the enemy team enough that Fiora had the primary goal of avoiding all my teammates and diving me every chance she got. I wish I had been recording it. As Rifle would say, "the plays". Had our teammates been a touch better or had they been in voice so we could coordinate attacks, I think we would have won easily. As it was our Panth went 11/25/22, Ahri went 11/20/39, and our Morganna went 3/14/46. I've really been digging ARAM lately. I just like playing with the different champs. I've also been noticing that Fiora can probably be talked about as OP lately. She's a dominating force on TT and ARAM due to the small size of the maps, and the newer items like the Ravenous Hydra that makes her ult crazy good. I should be on late tonight and later Sunday, but out for sure Saturday, and probably Monday. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 30 2013,10:10
I shoudl be on tonight.If I am in another game message me in TEAMSPEAK which I keep open on my second screen, and therefor will see the message in a timely manner. Or something. i dunno. Steam messages just open under my full screen game on the main monitor and I don't see them. Posted by RifleScout on Aug. 30 2013,19:57
i should be able to be on till late tonight
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 31 2013,07:15
Finally made it to my promotion series for Silver!! Just gotta win 3 of my next 5!
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 31 2013,09:52
Sorry about missing last night. I have the flu or something. Don't know if I'll make it on tonight or not.Congrats stranger!!!! If we're on and nobody else is I can try to help you win that series. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 31 2013,11:57
I waited til midnight.
Posted by RifleScout on Aug. 31 2013,20:03
Im on tonight
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 01 2013,20:38
Just dominated a solo queue ranked game as Singed. Their top Garen fed me 3-0 early, and an attempted gank up top got me a double kill. When the score was 6-0 I had 6 kills. ;-)Their Gallo was annoying, though. He was the best on their team. Posted by RifleScout on Sep. 02 2013,17:03
very nice gordo.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 02 2013,17:44
Thanks!
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 03 2013,18:25
So, it seems that I had Rifle convinced that I was a 14 year old prostitute living in lower Manhattan.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 03 2013,18:26
(Cakedaddy @ Sep. 03 2013,21:25) QUOTE So, it seems that I had Rifle convinced that I was a 14 year old prostitute living in lower Manhattan. You're not? Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 03 2013,18:30
Alex the Artist (9:14): Playin' tonight?riflescout (9:14): We will see if my parents remember to come get the labtop or nor If they forget yes Alex the Artist (9:15): heheh good plan How long is your sentance? riflescout (9:15): ![]() I think it is up they just don't want me playing it during week like even after school I'm going to ask them about that soon seeing how I work now and don't have nearly as much time on the weekends so they might make an exception Alex the Artist (9:17): I see You should move out and stop living under their rules. riflescout (9:17): Yep strict parents op Alex the Artist (9:17): hehe riflescout (9:18): Lol I'm 16 cm that Fk that* Alex the Artist (9:18): I moved out when I was 14. You'll be fine. riflescout (9:18): Really where did u work Alex the Artist (9:18): The streets man. riflescout (9:18): Or did u Hmmm what did u live in Alex the Artist (9:19): An appartment in lower mahatten. riflescout (9:19): With who friends Or relatives Alex the Artist (9:20): Ummmmm. No one. I did it all on my own. riflescout (9:20): Wow how did u get enough money U must have totem paid good on the street Alex the Artist (9:20): Prostitution. But I don't like to talk about it. riflescout (9:20): Ummm That's fine Alex the Artist (9:21): I mean. I don't like to brag. I made a TON of money. I had all the women convinced I was 32. riflescout (9:22): Lol how Alex the Artist (9:22): I'm just sayin. You could move out and be a prostitue too. At least then you could play lol. riflescout (9:22): Were u just big in some areas Lol ya ill be fine Alex the Artist (9:22): It's an option. riflescout (9:23): I'm gona save some money while I'm at home then ill prob get a full ride and go live at colage and play there Alex the Artist (9:23): That's like forever from now though. But probably a better plan. riflescout (9:23): U just pulled my leg didn't u I asked Gordon lol Alex the Artist (9:24): Holy geez dude. . . . riflescout (9:24): But I prob won't do that I mean is have to live to downtown or somethin Alex the Artist (9:25): Not if you are a high class prostitue. Just be a high class one. riflescout (9:26): Lol how am I gona do that There aren't many hoes where I live Alex the Artist (9:26): Then you'll have the market cornered! riflescout (9:26): Not that would pay to have sex with me anyway I won't get any business lol Alex the Artist (9:27): Not with that attitude! riflescout (9:29): Lol ur such a lier Good try bud Posted by GORDON on Sep. 03 2013,18:34
My 2013 New Year resolution was to stop having sex for money... just like it is every year... so I don't even want in on this conversation.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 03 2013,19:45
(GORDON @ Sep. 03 2013,20:34) QUOTE My 2013 New Year resolution was to stop having sex for money... just like it is every year So you're giving it to Cake for free now? Posted by Trooper on Sep. 03 2013,21:23
Naw. Cake is expensive, nobody can afford his rates.
Posted by RifleScout on Sep. 03 2013,21:27
haha when i said i asked gordo i really didnt untill like 3min later lol i was bluffing
Posted by RifleScout on Sep. 04 2013,19:33
I find that the best way to beat kennen in team fights is to not all group for his ult but stay close enough so that you dont get zoned off. Also try not to fight in tight spaces like in the jungle. People that can jump out of his ult are also good vs him such as corkie, ez, and other people with blinks/jumps. In other words, dont get cought as a group.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 04 2013,21:54
Ultra epic come back tonight. We were down 5 kills to 22. 15 minutes later, we forced a surrender.They had a diamond Lee Sin that was owning top and farming me in my jungle like it was his job. He was snowballing out of control. Then we slowed down. Started calling plays WAY better. Then we stole baron. We had it warded, watched, baited then aced them while I smite sniped the baron. That was the turning point. It was by no means over for them at that point. We were still way behind. But we carried that momentum forward and they never recovered. Best part, Lee was trash talking us. Here's the file: < LOL Replay file > Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 04 2013,22:21
Just watched it in fast forward.You can see us slowly wake up. I think the real turning point was when we made a solid stand in bottom lane. We lost the fight, but you could see that we were starting to get it together. REALLY big difference in team response the second half of the game compared to first half. First half, there was very late, or no response to team mates in trouble. Second half, responding to each other was a much bigger priority. And you could see it when Rifle was being chased toward our top lane. Gordon and I responded first, Scooty and Stranger I think recalled and entered the fight from base. But Gordon and I engaged, even though Rifle had escaped. But we provided enough CC that Rifle flashed back in and got a kill, then followed with another quick one. At this point, we were grouped and they were coming in one at a time or in pairs and we cleaned them up. We dominated the game after that. So, you could see a definite momentum shift from them to us about mid way through the 30 minute game. Posted by Stranger on Sep. 05 2013,09:51
Also i checked that Lee Sins profile and he is on a Challenger 1 5v5 team! And in case you didn't know, there can only be 100 people or teams in Challenger at any one time, so thats a rare feat. He was really really good, somehow his team let him down tho. And that team he was on last night no longer exists, so we made another team disband!
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 05 2013,11:20
Ugh, today I am reminded why I hate solo queue. I am glad I had a good run up to my getting ranked, but now I may be done with that... again. So many fucking whining assholes. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 05 2013,16:00
Hey.... I am out Saturday night cause peeps are coming over... I wont be on til midnight or 1, anyway. So get on tonight and tomorrow.Or, if you hate my black ass, skip it and only log in Saturday night. Racists. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 05 2013,16:17
(GORDON @ Sep. 05 2013,14:20) QUOTE Ugh, today I am reminded why I hate solo queue. I am glad I had a good run up to my getting ranked, but now I may be done with that... again. So many fucking whining assholes. Bummer. I was seeing improvements in your play coming from it. And I know how you like to please me. And enjoy Bronze II while it lasts. Until you are REALLY good and can pretty much win 1v5, you will lose games. I was bronze 3, down to bronze 5 to bronze 4 to 5 to 3 and in a series for 2 down to 4 again. I have officially stopped caring about my solo rank (well, 90% not caring anyway). Too many times I'm in a role I can't play, and the people in my role can't play either. So I lose and can't do anything about it. But, now I know that role/champ a little better and am that much better for my team. Suffering solo queue is the ONLY way to get better. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 05 2013,16:18
(Stranger @ Sep. 05 2013,12:51) QUOTE that team he was on last night no longer exists, so we made another team disband! We've been doing that since 1998. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 05 2013,22:14
I'm going to start calling plays again. Rifle. You are fired. :-) You are too blood thirsty and leave the objectives too often.Dragon is a priority again. We are desperately lacking in ADC and support. My jungling is WAY off. I feel like I need to change champs to try to wake it up. I dunno. I'm going more support like with wards and stuff. Going to pick up pink eye more often as well. And I haven't been able to play as often as in the past and miss way too many skill shots. Posted by Stranger on Sep. 06 2013,03:51
(Cakedaddy @ Sep. 06 2013,01:14) QUOTE My jungling is WAY off. I feel like I need to change champs to try to wake it up. I dunno. I'm going more support like with wards and stuff. Going to pick up pink eye more often as well. And I haven't been able to play as often as in the past and miss way too many skill shots. Play some more Jarvan again, easy to play and you have a good record with him. Or maybe even Vi or Nocturne. I think you've gotten to comfortable with Sej and your skillshots prolly diminished. Or I wouldn't mind running jungle sometimes if you wanna change things up. I still run a pretty mean Naut and Hec, and could always do a Skarner or Udyr. Just a thought, but im always support when im on. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 06 2013,12:38
So hey we got whooped pretty hard last night, eh?
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 06 2013,13:05
QUOTE I'm going to start calling plays again. Rifle. You are fired. :-) You are too blood thirsty and leave the objectives too often. I would agree that of late, our matches seem to focus champ kills over objectives. One thing that was absolutely hammered home last weekend during the pro games is how Cloud 9 does something every time they get an advantage after killing an enemy champ. They immediately press their 5v4 or whatever to get an objective. That might mean a tower or dragon, but they're not just walking away. They're taking more, and it simply snowballs... Cake, if you're going to call games, I would recommend checking out a few C9 games since they're steamrolling the pros, and watch how they capitalize on everything. In fact, I'd honestly ask you how you can call plays if you don't watch some pro games. We need someone calling plays who really gets overall strategy, and can keep us on point. IMHO, this is one of our team's biggest weaknesses. QUOTE Dragon is a priority again. This is sooooooo critical to the support. (Ditto for towers) QUOTE We are desperately lacking in ADC and support. Agreed 100%. I have been rather frustrated lately because unless Stranger is on, I simply cannot go ADC. Posted by Stranger on Sep. 06 2013,13:17
(Leisher @ Sep. 06 2013,16:05) QUOTE One thing that was absolutely hammered home last weekend during the pro games is how Cloud 9 does something every time they get an advantage after killing an enemy champ. They immediately press their 5v4 or whatever to get an objective. That might mean a tower or dragon, but they're not just walking away. They're taking more, and it simply snowballs... This, this, this, this!!! i agree 200% i have watched ALOT and i mean alot of the LCS spring and summer splits. C9 has absolutley hammered the competition and they focus on an objective any time they have even a 1 man advantage. They weren't in the spring split, but they have turned the North American scene upside down since they have shown. objectives > kills. Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 06 2013,16:23
I remember when i was playing LoL that almost everyone had no clue about overall strategy and every match was made about kills. Time and time again my team won only because I was the only one on the map taking down the objectives, even though my kill ratio was crap because that wasn't what I was there for. I was crap at LoL, but just paying attention to the end goal of the game was enough to even that out.Don't be those guys. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 06 2013,17:19
Just thought of this and didn't want to forget again. If anyone wants the 10k bonus RP on their AmEx LoL card, let me know. I can put your card info into my account and pay 'me' the $20. Then you can pay me back the $22 ($1.45 QB fee and $.55 for my time, effort, and awesomeness). Or $21.45 if you are a cheap bastard. But no paypal! They hit you with fees and then I'm losing money and I can't afford that. Money order is perfect cause your check will probably bounce.Just kidding with payment options. I can direct deposit to your account if you want. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 06 2013,17:29
Rifle: MUST stop kill stealing. Yes, kill securing is one thing. But when there are 4 of us and one of them and they are stunned/CCed, you can let it go.When you snowball and start farming the bronze players, it's funny when we are winning. But when we are losing, it's hurting us too much. Yes, there are the occasional games (5/22 come back) where you over farming helps us, but, we are still in bronze. Have not had a good showing in a B3 promo series, etc. Playing this way isn't going to get us out of bronze, let alone work in silver/gold/plat/chall. We have to start functioning as a proper team. Scooty said he was going all attack speed/crit chance in the hopes of stealing a kill every once in a while. Told him to stop modding his build to counter our poor team play. We are all trying to address our weaknesses and become better players. This is your post. :-) Your challenge, or whatever, is: From now on, the only enemy champ you are aloud to kill is the enemy mid champ. Gank bottom/top, counter jungle and fight, etc. But do NOT kill anyone but their mid. Even if it's a 1v1 at their blue and you can kill their jungler! Our ADCs are claiming they can't do their job cause they aren't getting kills. Leave the kills for them. If they don't secure them, or make good use of them, then we know we need to address that. But as long as they don't get the option to kill, then they can use the excuse "ya I'm doing bad, cause I can't get any kills!". Break out of the "must kill no matter what the cost" rut. Play Plat!! And I was thinking. . . A funny name for our team could be "4 Bronze and a Platinum". Posted by Trooper on Sep. 06 2013,18:19
For all you aspiring ADC's, check this 1 hour lecture out, it'll improve your game.< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oPLc6DZvz8 > Posted by GORDON on Sep. 06 2013,18:51
Just wanted to throw out there that I can also play mid, and an "ok" jungle. I think mixing up our roles over a long night would help keep our minds awake, and out of routine thinking.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 06 2013,19:11
(Cakedaddy @ Sep. 06 2013,20:19) QUOTE Just thought of this and didn't want to forget again. If anyone wants the 10k bonus RP on their AmEx LoL card, let me know. I can put your card info into my account and pay 'me' the $20. Then you can pay me back the $22 ($1.45 QB fee and $.55 for my time, effort, and awesomeness). Or $21.45 if you are a cheap bastard. But no paypal! They hit you with fees and then I'm losing money and I can't afford that. Money order is perfect cause your check will probably bounce. Just kidding with payment options. I can direct deposit to your account if you want. I have my card I just need to get you the numbers. Will prolly put them in a text document and then zip it with a pword, for security. I dunno. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 06 2013,19:15
(Cakedaddy @ Sep. 06 2013,20:29) QUOTE Rifle: MUST stop kill stealing. Yes, kill securing is one thing. But when there are 4 of us and one of them and they are stunned/CCed, you can let it go. When you snowball and start farming the bronze players, it's funny when we are winning. But when we are losing, it's hurting us too much. Yes, there are the occasional games (5/22 come back) where you over farming helps us, but, we are still in bronze. Have not had a good showing in a B3 promo series, etc. Playing this way isn't going to get us out of bronze, let alone work in silver/gold/plat/chall. We have to start functioning as a proper team. Scooty said he was going all attack speed/crit chance in the hopes of stealing a kill every once in a while. Told him to stop modding his build to counter our poor team play. We are all trying to address our weaknesses and become better players. This is your post. :-) Your challenge, or whatever, is: From now on, the only enemy champ you are aloud to kill is the enemy mid champ. Gank bottom/top, counter jungle and fight, etc. But do NOT kill anyone but their mid. Even if it's a 1v1 at their blue and you can kill their jungler! Our ADCs are claiming they can't do their job cause they aren't getting kills. Leave the kills for them. If they don't secure them, or make good use of them, then we know we need to address that. But as long as they don't get the option to kill, then they can use the excuse "ya I'm doing bad, cause I can't get any kills!". Break out of the "must kill no matter what the cost" rut. Play Plat!! And I was thinking. . . A funny name for our team could be "4 Bronze and a Platinum". No. I think you're off base here. Look, I fully get that we need to get the ADC farmed up, but a farmed mid, top, or even jungler can carry a team. Hell, we once got our asses kicked by a fed support Kayle! Any lane can get fed and carry. It just so happens our best player is in mid. Yes, I realize that the ADC needs to get farmed up and that would be ideal, but blaming Rifle for KSing is NOT the correct answer. Not even in the right area code. The ADC isn't being held back because the mid is getting all the kills mid game, because by then the ADC is already way behind as we've been doing such a shit job in the laning phase. I mean, don't you think it's odd that all the enemy teams lately are leaving laning phase with their ADCs having multiple kills and double the farm of our ADC? That's not mid's fault. I mean, telling mid he can't get any kills except their mid? Really? Let's waste an hour of our lives as we learn what a massive mistake that would be... Our three biggest problems right now are: 1. Not pressing advantages. 2. Too much focus on champ kills. 3. Inconsistencies in bot lane. We need to fix those issues first. Then we can worry about peeps KSing from the carries. (Note that word is plural.) BTW, I felt the need to make this post because I'm one of this team's ADCs, and I do not feel Rifle getting all the kills is a factor into why I'm not getting farmed up. Hell, Stranger is the king of KSing as support, and that shit never bugged me either because we were usually winning our lane. Right now, I can't even remember the last time we won a bot lane. My complaint is that I never gets to play the role because I'm always supporting, and when I'm not, there's usually a pretender running support. I honestly mean no disrespect by that, but the role takes a commitment that I simply don't see from most attempting it. That list isn't just 1 or even 2 people either. (Hell, or even 3...) Sorry for the long rant. I guess I'm just trying to say let's cut the shit and get to the real problem. Our bot lane situation sucks. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 06 2013,19:25
All problems need to be addressed. No reason we can't address them all at once. A 27/5/5 mid and a 3/7/8 ADC in a game we are losing is bad. One person with all the loot means killing that one person shuts our team down.No, Rifle's not the reason we are losing. Not even close. But it's a bad habit that should be addressed. A fed lane is one thing. A hyper fed to the detriment to the rest of the team lane is another. And it's bad. Our bottom lane situation: We need a new full time support player. Even when Stranger is on, someone else is playing it. We need a new full time ADC. Even when Chaotic is on, someone else is playing it. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 06 2013,19:39
QUOTE All problems need to be addressed. No reason we can't address them all at once. That's fair, but I don't see the other issues being brought up... QUOTE Our bottom lane situation: We need a new full time support player. Even when Stranger is on, someone else is playing it. We need a new full time ADC. Even when Chaotic is on, someone else is playing it. Just WTF. I don't even know how to respond to that. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 06 2013,23:40
WTF what?
Posted by Stranger on Sep. 07 2013,03:36
I can't think of a time that I've been on and not played support. I don't understand that comment
Posted by Trooper on Sep. 07 2013,14:13
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oPLc6DZvz8 > A lot of us need to watch this video, because this guy contradicts everything we do/say. Ezreal is not powerful under his own turret, he's actually very weak, but extremely strong under yours. Also, just a lot of things none of us knew about the mechanics of bottom lane. Watch it. Posted by RifleScout on Sep. 07 2013,16:18
(Cakedaddy @ Sep. 06 2013,17:29) QUOTE Rifle: MUST stop kill stealing. Yes, kill securing is one thing. But when there are 4 of us and one of them and they are stunned/CCed, you can let it go. When you snowball and start farming the bronze players, it's funny when we are winning. But when we are losing, it's hurting us too much. Yes, there are the occasional games (5/22 come back) where you over farming helps us, but, we are still in bronze. Have not had a good showing in a B3 promo series, etc. Playing this way isn't going to get us out of bronze, let alone work in silver/gold/plat/chall. We have to start functioning as a proper team. Scooty said he was going all attack speed/crit chance in the hopes of stealing a kill every once in a while. Told him to stop modding his build to counter our poor team play. We are all trying to address our weaknesses and become better players. This is your post. :-) Your challenge, or whatever, is: From now on, the only enemy champ you are aloud to kill is the enemy mid champ. Gank bottom/top, counter jungle and fight, etc. But do NOT kill anyone but their mid. Even if it's a 1v1 at their blue and you can kill their jungler! Our ADCs are claiming they can't do their job cause they aren't getting kills. Leave the kills for them. If they don't secure them, or make good use of them, then we know we need to address that. But as long as they don't get the option to kill, then they can use the excuse "ya I'm doing bad, cause I can't get any kills!". Break out of the "must kill no matter what the cost" rut. Play Plat!! And I was thinking. . . A funny name for our team could be "4 Bronze and a Platinum". [URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8W5GAFxHOI] whole thing is good but if you don't have much spare time just watch like 38:30-39:20. Very important if you want to get better, this is why i know when to go in but a lot of times i need my team to know to go in also. Knowing when to turn around is very critical, sometimes you need to take a chance to see if you can be able to turn it. Like he says, you have to experiment until you figure out the abilities/potential of champions. I have tried many times, a lot of them i failed, but now I know when i can turn and when i can't. Posted by RifleScout on Sep. 07 2013,16:21
(RifleScout @ Sep. 07 2013,16:18) QUOTE I have tried many times, a lot of them i failed, but now I know when i can turn and when i can't. I played a game the other day as akali, j4 was chasing me, renek, and naut. We all had around 300 hp and he had half. I knew together we could take him so i pinged it, renek went in with dash stunned but then instead of fighting dashed over wall. Naut used his pull to run away instead of going in. I went in and that is when renek dashed over the wall. I ended up getting j4 to 100 hp but died because they left. They then turned and killed him, but because they didn't know to turn and was hesitant i died when i could have lived. This is something, as a team, need to learn this is also why a lot of times when i ping to go in u just have to trust me. Another example is when i was playing adc as varus. Tim was playing with me so he can testify to this. Yi was one shotting everyone, he had about 25 kills with full build. He and 2 others were killing the top tower with no minions and i noticed one was backing off and the tower switched to yi. I told Tim to go in with me but he didn't and said we would die. I went in anyway by myself, I ulted yi and killed him before he was unsnared and immediately the others ran away and i saved the tower. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 07 2013,17:04
I wouldn't say he contradicts everything we say and do. It's all pretty basic and obvious stuff. We just have to get better at doing it.No one said that Ez is powerful under his turret. They said he could still farm. I'll also add, that as obvious as all that is, doesn't mean we can do it. ADC has to get last hits, poke the enemy, stay even with his support, push the lane, but not too hard, etc, etc. Everyone knows this, and if everyone could do this, there would be no bronze bracket. Knowing it, and being able to do it are two different things. This will all come with practice, of course. Posted by Trooper on Sep. 07 2013,18:35
QUOTE They said he could still farm. He may be able to farm under his turret, but he'll only be able to do so effectively with his Q and E. This opens up several advantages for you, if you're keeping him under his turret. He can no longer successfully trade off evenly with you, because he's too busy farming, will be manaless very quickly, and if you continue harassing him down, he won't be able to turn the fight if his jungle comes for gank because he won't have any mana, and he won't have any health to sustain. So yes, you're right, he can still farm under his turret, but he's now completely giving up his advantage over you, and will be extremely far behind. Also, his Q cooldown is about 3-4 seconds, so he STILL won't be able to get all the farm, the turret will still get one here and there, even if he's extremely good at farming under turret. You shouldn't have any trouble farming under his turret at all, so this will open up a window to spend more concentration on harassing him when he comes out to last hit. Under absolutely no circumstances, should you NOT push somebody under their turret, it gives you way too much of an advantage. Now, if you can or can't do these things, is up for debate. If you can't do these things effectively, bottom lane will have a tough time gaining that advantage. QUOTE push the lane, but not too hard You should push it as hard as possible, if you have the ability. Unless you can zone the enemy carry out and freeze the lane, you should always push hard to gain the momentum advantage. QUOTE Everyone knows this, and if everyone could do this, there would be no bronze bracket. Not everybody knows every single one of these things, that's why there is a bronze bracket. They may have figured out some of this stuff, but I see lots of enemy ADC's missing out on a lot of these tatics. QUOTE Knowing it, and being able to do it are two different things. This will all come with practice, of course. And it will take practice, but you actually have to try it in order to learn when it's safe to do it, and when it isn't. I don't see any of our carries doing these things. Our carries play very passive, concentrating only on farm giving up the harassment aspect, giving up the lane momentum allowing themselves to be pushed under their own turrets easily, and hardly ever take advantage of the support's harassment/agro. Too often have I gone in to harass, and end up agro'ing the ADC's counter harassment, to see OUR carry still standing there last hitting minions, paying no attention to the clear trade-off advantage being presented. Pros don't get EVERY single last hit in bottom lane, some last hits should be given up to avoid an unfair trade-off (mainly the ranged minions), and sometimes harassment is more important than a last hit. If the enemy carry is giving you all the free harassment, focus more on that, and wait to farm up when you've harassed their ADC out of lane. Harassment is so important for so many reasons. The more they aren't in lane, the more opportunities you get to free farm with no worries, and the more you're able to push the momentum further under their turret. Harassing also opens up more opportunities to get a kill. But, in situations where you're harassing, and they're harassing back harder, or they're healing all of your pokes and harassing isn't giving you much of an advantage, focus more on the farming, and call your jungler as much as possible when applicable to gain that push momentum back. . . . We have to practice this stuff, and at first it will be grinding and result in a few extra losses because we aren't good at it. . . But that will be the only way to learn. If we ignore these mechanics, we'll never leave bronze. Posted by RifleScout on Sep. 07 2013,19:54
(Trooper @ Sep. 07 2013,18:35) QUOTE He can no longer successfully trade off evenly with you, because he's too busy farming, will be manaless very quickly, If he is smart/good he will say "hes pushing hard im jsut gona harrase him then gank plz". A smart ez would also build tear if he knows he's being pushed, farming with his q is what he would do not even under turret. If you try to harrase him turret will get you, hes not melee. Posted by RifleScout on Sep. 07 2013,19:58
(Trooper @ Sep. 07 2013,18:35) QUOTE Under absolutely no circumstances, should you NOT push somebody under their turret, it gives you way too much of an advantage. If you push hard they will just gank and give the adc free kills, kills for the adc is more gold than a wave or two of cs. So it really gives u a disadvantage and it makes it ahrd to get the caster minons if you push hard because he can harrase you when you try to cs. Posted by RifleScout on Sep. 07 2013,20:10
(Trooper @ Sep. 07 2013,18:35) QUOTE I don't see any of our carries doing these things. Our carries play very passive, concentrating only on farm giving up the harassment aspect, giving up the lane momentum allowing themselves to be pushed under their own turrets easily, and hardly ever take advantage of the support's harassment/agro. Too often have I gone in to harass, and end up agro'ing the ADC's counter harassment, to see OUR carry still standing there last hitting minions, paying no attention to the clear trade-off advantage being presented. Pros don't get EVERY single last hit in bottom lane, some last hits should be given up to avoid an unfair trade-off (mainly the ranged minions), and sometimes harassment is more important than a last hit. If the enemy carry is giving you all the free harassment, focus more on that, and wait to farm up when you've harassed their ADC out of lane. Harassment is so important for so many reasons. The more they aren't in lane, the more opportunities you get to free farm with no worries, and the more you're able to push the momentum further under their turret. Harassing also opens up more opportunities to get a kill. But, in situations where you're harassing, and they're harassing back harder, or they're healing all of your pokes and harassing isn't giving you much of an advantage, focus more on the farming, and call your jungler as much as possible when applicable to gain that push momentum back. . . . First of all if you look at the games we lose their adc always has more cs (most of them you are the adc, not calling you out or anything). The support is supposed to protect his carry and only go in when there is a clear opening and YOUR adc is READY and knows to go in. If you wait to farm up when he is pushed out of lane you will get so little cs that when he comes back to lane he will rape you because of the huge gold advantage you gave him. Do the pros constantly push or do they last hit? They will harass but they don't push under their turret because they know the danger, they will also not harass too much because that will push the lane. One more thing, If you know that trading is good when you can heal the damage back, why do you play nunu support? The best way to play bot lane is to poke when they open themselves up to it but still cs. And to wait for your jungler to get the kills unless you have a clear advantage. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 08 2013,11:00
I reloaded my client last night in an attempt to fix my end game crashing.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 09 2013,18:07
That ARAM game the other night where Alex he Artist was Nidalee....It is insane that he went the ENTIRE game without items... because he never died.... and he still had a shitload of kills and assists. End of the game, we won, and he had a clean item list. Insane. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 09 2013,21:59
That is mostly because I am awesome though. Was that your point?
Posted by Stranger on Sep. 10 2013,06:22
Straight from Morello's mouth.Now, let's put this thread on a good note; let me tell you two must-haves for Season 4 to ship successfully in my mind; We're going to significantly improve, and ultimately fix, jungle and support gold flow. I feel this is one of the most painful areas of League, and one that can be fixed. A lot of the satisfaction in League is growing in power over time, getting items, and transitioning from early to late game with items. It's definitely a problem that 2/5 of players don't get to do this. Season 4 changes will address this problem, and very likely throw balance into a tailspin for preseason. Eggs, omelettes, etc. We'll work hard to get that fleshed out and tuned before S4 starts properly. Wards and the map vision system need to be overhauled. This is part-and-parcel with the above as Support gold largely suffers due to ward gold burden, but there are a multitude of other problems like snowballing, few real interesting ward decision-making opportunities, and few people involved with the vision game. Details have to wait, but the new system will address these issues glad to see they are going to address this issue. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 10 2013,18:42
Brought my shit to play, but this hotel internet sucks. Just played a test game. Started at 140ms ping, and ten minutes into the game I was hitting 5 "squares" of lag and was disconnecting/reconnecting every 10 seconds. About 10 minutes later the lag cleared somewhat, but I still had noticeable delays when clicking things.So, unplayable. And I paid for the faster speed, too, so that is really irritating. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 10 2013,20:49
Impossible to get real games in blind pick. Holy geez.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 10 2013,20:53
Or in ranked. Just got a support veigar. Yay.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 10 2013,21:31
If their Lulu had been in the game, we'd have been fucked. 4v5 and we still had a hard time winning. No wards, no support. Veigar went full AP and wasn't shy about collecting CS.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 10 2013,21:31
Support Veiger fucked us up on a solo queue game when I was stuck being ADC with a support that, to my knowledge, never healed me once.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 11 2013,05:47
Sometime during the evening I received my 10K Riot Points. Time to splurge on something. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 11 2013,17:00
(GORDON @ Sep. 10 2013,21:42) QUOTE Brought my shit to play, but this hotel internet sucks. Just played a test game. Started at 140ms ping, and ten minutes into the game I was hitting 5 "squares" of lag and was disconnecting/reconnecting every 10 seconds. About 10 minutes later the lag cleared somewhat, but I still had noticeable delays when clicking things. So, unplayable. And I paid for the faster speed, too, so that is really irritating. Yeah, this internet sucks hard. Since I paid extra for it, I am going to name names. Yeah, this "Extended Stay Hotel" has free wireless internet, but when you sign in you get the option to pay extra for "Higher Speed" internet. I'm here for 4 days and it was cheaper to pay $15 for a week than $4 a day for 4 days. I just played a test LOL game by myself. Starting ping: 160. Average ping during game: 600. Over 1000 a lot of the time. Multiple "Attempting to Reconnect." Checked out their rules and conditions: they say that all file sharing software is automatically blocked. I wonder if their software is seeing my LOL data stream and throttling it. Called the company who took my money for the "higher speed" internet, INNFLUX. They told me I was never promised high speeds, merely "higher" than the free internet. What a bunch of cocksuckers. After 9pm the hotel router begins to disappear entirely from the wireless list. But fuck it, I am only paying $100 a night for the hotel room, what do I expect, anyway? Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 13 2013,19:30
where is the team?
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 13 2013,19:46
Patching.Pretty tired, not sure if I would do well. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 14 2013,08:51
Pretty sure I won't be on until Sunday night.
Posted by Stranger on Sep. 17 2013,13:35
< http://www.thearmpit.net/eng....borland >Wes Borland, former guitar player from Limp Bizkit helped with the making of the World Championship theme song for LOL. The first half of the song is your typical epic sounding Lord of the Rings tune, you can almost hear the horns of Gondor. Im sure Wes didn't have much to do with that part. But the second half is all Wes laying down his unmistakable crunchy, rythmic riffs. Pretty cool. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 17 2013,14:41
Very cool song, good ol' Wes.I have always thought Limp Bizkit was underrated due to Fred's antics. The music was always tizzight. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 17 2013,14:55
QUOTE I have always thought Limp Bizkit was underrated due to Fred's antics. The music was always tizzight. Fred Durst may be the worst lyricist, rapper, and musician I've ever seen in proportion to the success he's achieved in the industry. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 18 2013,17:53
Figured out a way to bypass this hotel's router/throttling and get in the DMZ.... I have the Windows firewall on, so shold be good in small doses. Anyway, I was just able to play a game with no disconnects and a ping around 180. So, I can be on tomorrow night if everyone else can. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 18 2013,18:46
I see no barriers to me being available on the 19th. Or the 18th. or the 20th, 21th, 22th, ethc.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 19 2013,05:49
I should be on tonight around 9-9:30
Posted by RifleScout on Sep. 19 2013,12:39
I should be on tonight as well at about 9-10 but im not going to start a game later that 11 i need at least 6 hrs of sleep haha.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 19 2013,13:01
< Moron eats ghost pepper before playing. >
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 23 2013,18:21
< Looks like Vi's counter is about to appear. >I'll check the PBE tomorrow and see if someone new is there. Posted by RifleScout on Sep. 24 2013,09:22
i will be able to be on longer tonight i have 2hr delay tomorrow
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 24 2013,10:06
I'll be on after 9:30 or so.Let's just say around 10. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 25 2013,11:25
< Jinx is Vi's counter. >Also big patch hitting late tonight. (3.12) Posted by GORDON on Sep. 25 2013,12:46
Holy shit they made a Jinx. Now I am going to call Zigg's "Jinx" like I always do and confuse errybody.
Posted by Stranger on Sep. 25 2013,13:14
(GORDON @ Sep. 25 2013,15:46) QUOTE Holy shit they made a Jinx. Now I am going to call Zigg's "Jinx" like I always do and confuse errybody. Nahh.. you only confuse yourself. The rest of us already know their names. ![]() Posted by Leisher on Sep. 26 2013,09:18
![]() Posted by GORDON on Sep. 26 2013,09:45
Ha, just that line?
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 26 2013,10:30
Apparently you can leave him a message.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 26 2013,10:32
What does one say to Teemo?
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 26 2013,10:35
I love you.
Posted by RifleScout on Sep. 26 2013,12:28
Leisher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE YOU (no homo) lol. Thank you for the gift, you made my day ![]() Posted by Leisher on Sep. 27 2013,06:32
I bought Jinx this morning on the PBE. She appears to be an ADC. I'll try her out later when the crowds die down (there's a wait time to log into the PBE right now).
Posted by Stranger on Sep. 27 2013,07:50
< http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/09/926-pbe-update-jinx.html#more >Yep, she is an ADC. Donsn't have the gap closer like most of the recent released champs have. But gets speed boost from her passive. I like her kit though, long range and some cc. Prolly a late game terror. Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 01 2013,22:15
So, I've been trying to get in enough wins with the silver TT team to get silver for this year. I knew I had at least 5 (after a win tonight). Wanted to see if . . .Oh, hell, long story short. If you look at your team info, there is an exclamation point for each item (TT or SR) that when hovered over, tells you how many games you need to win to qualify for that team. So, now I know I need two more wins. Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 01 2013,22:22
Holy shit does Jinx have some range. And hits HARD too. First glance, seems to be a must purchase OP champ to take advantage of till she's nurfed.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 03 2013,12:05
I have given Jinx a try, and unlike my first impression of Lucian, she's awesome. She seems very much built for killing champions. Her passive gives her 175% movement speed that decays over 4 seconds if a champ or tower she was doing damage to in the last 3 seconds dies. Her Q just swaps weapons between a rocket launcher (aoe damage, more range, more damage, and drain mana...they also use mana...) and a mini gun (all basic attacks gain additional AS of 2.5 stacking 3 times to a total bonus of 130%. (Only benefits her first rocket shot if she switches.) Her W is a straight line skill shot. It does some physical damage, but also reveals and slows that target. (Basically worthless against minions.) Her E is a skill placement. Three "mines" called Chompers that go down in a straight line. They last 5 seconds and damage and slow enemy champs, but they are also only activated by enemy champs. (Again, worthless against minions. ) Her R is a global ult. Basically, think Ashe's arrow or Ezreal's bolt, but her's is a big ass missile that speeds up as it travels and does aoe. It doesn't seem to hit minions. I LOVE Jinx thus far, and right now she's a day one buy for me. I'll be on tonight around 9-9:30. I need 4 more wins for Silver rewards for Season 4. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 03 2013,17:17
Wanted to play tonight, but I am getting disconnects every 90 seconds or so, so that sucks.I am in the same hotel where I hacked my way into the DMZ a few weeks ago, but they closed that hole. Assholes. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 03 2013,18:06
Just logged on at 9:05 p.m. and for the first time in a looooong time, nobody in my friend list is logged on.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 03 2013,18:10
We were all on and looking for you last weekend.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 03 2013,18:17
I was at Mackinac Island.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 03 2013,18:22
I saw the pics of you and your beard.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 03 2013,21:52
Whoops. I just figured out how we qualified for a promo match.We were playing TKV. But only that last game. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 04 2013,06:41
I had a feeling that's what happened. Oh well, I need three more wins. On that topic, we should sit down and discuss the gimmick comps that we see so often on TT. Why can't we run one? The difference between the good Garen we saw, and the bad one was staggering. Not so much in how they fought, because honestly, the good Garen I was able to push around more... No, it was their builds. The good Garen took forever to dent, while the bad one we could melt in two seconds. That good Garen was built with a specific purpose in mind, and it was probably "match up with their AP". Also, remember that 5v5 all AD and Heimer down the middle with everyone buying Doran's? I wonder if it'd work on TT. Also, we should run that comp one time for fun. Hell, we're in Bronze, and it might net us some really easy, quick wins. Just played Jinx again, and just loving her. I think she really fits my natural play style. Aggressive, heavy attack speed, duelist. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 04 2013,09:43
Patch 3.13 will be hitting the PBE "soon". It will contain the Heimer reworked kit. Posted by RifleScout on Oct. 04 2013,12:27
lol caked that is all your fault ![]() Posted by RifleScout on Oct. 04 2013,12:31
I think we should do the 5 adc mid thing as well, on my other ranked team we faced it and i called it before match started so we were ready and we beat them rather badly. But if you dont know it is coming it is hard to beat. As for TT we do need a comp that works well the maokia, teemo, rengar works well but only vs some champs. We need another comp that can beat the comps that beats our first comp. Posted by Stranger on Oct. 04 2013,13:15
World championship from the Staples Center is live tonight.< http://www.twitch.tv/riotgames > Link to the stream. Doesn't start until 11 pm for us though, and if it goes a full five games then it wont be done till really late. Ill be on tonight but i really wanna watch this so im not sure if ill be playing. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 04 2013,13:42
I'll be on to play. I can watch the replays of the world championship at work.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 04 2013,16:04
I'm working tonight. Won't be on at all.Awesome when one of our most mia team mates is mia so he can watch other people play. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 04 2013,17:35
I'll be on between 10 and 11. Apparently there is a lot of sex happening tonight.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 05 2013,20:08
Whoa these games of League of Legends are so much fun! I feel bad for peeps who aren't playing.
Posted by RifleScout on Oct. 06 2013,11:39
I found out one of my big flaws, I try to make to big of plays. The problem is most of them require a huge risk which i take and most of the time it bites me in the ass.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 06 2013,14:07
(GORDON @ Oct. 05 2013,22:08) QUOTE Whoa these games of League of Legends are so much fun! I feel bad for peeps who aren't playing. You sound like a Mark Twain character trying to convince me to paint a fence for you. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 06 2013,15:33
Well, a fella doesn't get to whitewash every day!
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 07 2013,13:13
Hey Gordo, what was that AI team comp you were testing yourself against way back when?I want to throw Jinx against it during lunch tomorrow. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 07 2013,15:28
(Leisher @ Oct. 07 2013,16:13) QUOTE Hey Gordo, what was that AI team comp you were testing yourself against way back when? I want to throw Jinx against it during lunch tomorrow. I don't even remember. Mostly AD, IIRC. Support AI don't support well in custom games. Got to get dumb AI who can push their lanes fast so you have to hurry before you get overrun. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 08 2013,16:20
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 08 2013,16:51
Oh, she's Tank Girl.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 08 2013,17:02
The good thing about staying in a really shitty hotel is that there isn't anyone else here with which to share the wireless internet. I can play tonight. Until Norman Bates breaks in and stabs me. Posted by Stranger on Oct. 09 2013,03:47
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fES4xl2namY&feature=youtu.be >< http://www.youtube.com/watch?a....tjOsYIU > Maybe 2 of the best LOL vids I've ever seen! Riot says its going to keep all 4 one and it will come back out later this year. This is hilarious, 5 blitz vs. 5 blitz I wanna do it! Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 09 2013,06:55
Now that's something I might redownload to try.I want to see 10 Jax leaping around at each other. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 09 2013,07:01
You have to alter your client to host those 5v5 games, and it's a violation of the TOS. They are banning folks who do it. They're not banning folks who randomly join their game though...They said they might allow such a mode in the future. While I could see it being hilarious, and perhaps even a really good training tool, I can also see it getting old really fast. Posted by Stranger on Oct. 09 2013,07:18
actually, i read they havent been banning people.Here is a Riot post i saw about that. Contrary to earlier implications, no one has been banned for playing this game mode nor will anyone be banned for playing during the remainder of the time it is accessible. One For All will be making its reappearance before the new year with a bunch of new features (including matchmaking!), so you won't have to wait too long before you see it again. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 09 2013,08:11
QUOTE "Hey All, I'm glad you guys are having fun with this, but for the moment I'd strongly recommend not playing in these games. This feature was left incomplete and we can not guarantee that certain champion combinations will not crash your game, the game server, or worse. Additionally, as a reminder, injecting code into your game client to access this mode is a violation of our Terms of Service. (http://beta.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse)" QUOTE "I can't answer your first question unfortunately, since I'm not in Player Support. To be safe though I'd just not do it; we're likely only filtering for people who have hosted the game. And yeah, this would be a cool mode to get out, it's just not there right now. Hopefully someday I'll be able to get it to you guys. ![]() QUOTE "I'm not in Player Support, but I would be surprised if we'd ban someone for happening to join the "wrong" custom game lobby. Creating the lobby requires to you to make changes to your game client though, and so those people are drastically more at risk (and according to this thread we've handed out some bans already)." QUOTE "It's not quite as simple as that, unfortunately. This isn't a completed feature, and we can't guarantee that it won't either harm people's machines, accounts, or even the game servers themselves."
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 09 2013,08:15
Considering folks had to alter their client to get it to work, that's bannable right there, but I have a feeling they probably pulled back because of the positive response. And I stand by the "fun for a few minutes" thing. I equate this with the "Hide and Seek" game Rifle showed up. It's fun, but gets old. In different news, Ahri, Fizz, Zed, and Kassadin are all being looked at for nerfs based on feedback from players. Morello says they might change Ahri's burst damage so she gets bonuses if she taunts you. That's a good idea. Also, they think Olaf might still be UP. Zyra is going to be nerfed or changed because of how annoying she is as a support. They're trying to figure out how to nerf support Zyra without hurting mid Zyra. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 09 2013,18:55
Did peeps stop playing during the week? I finally have a good internet connection at a hotel and almost no one is on.Leisher was on. He's still cool. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 10 2013,05:58
Jinx is out, and I have purchased her.
Posted by Stranger on Oct. 10 2013,06:29
(Leisher @ Oct. 10 2013,08:58) QUOTE Jinx is out, and I have purchased her. Sweet! i wanna play support to that.. I'll be on tonight for sure Posted by Leisher on Oct. 11 2013,09:39
The Heimer and Xerath patch went on after I stopped playing on the PBE yesterday. Tried out Heimer during lunch today, and he's not ready for prime time. His Q is still his turrets, and he gets three now. His W are rockets, but no longer auto hit. They're a skill shot now of 5 rockets, and the closer your cursor is to you, the wider the spread. I like this change. His E is vastly improved. It's now like a grenade and much faster than the random and very slow energy ball he had before. His R is...pretty terrible right now. It basically let's you cast your next spell for free, and it'll have more perks. Like your Q places a fourth turret that last 8 seconds and does mega damage. I don't know though. Overall, he still feels crazy weak. Mainly because his turrets are so incredibly weak. Without them, he's nothing. They admit they have some work to do yet, and honestly, I don't know if they can properly get him balanced without making him OP. < Here's a massive post > with videos and stats for the new Heimer, Xerath, Ahri, and TONS of nerfs/buffs for other champs/items that hit the PBE yesterday. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 12 2013,20:30
Just played an ARAM.I was Veiger, and we had a Singed on our team with the Augmented skin. I thought we were in good shape if we had a good Singed. I kept paralyzing people with Veiger's stun circle and dropped that sledgehammer spell out of the sky, and Singed kept flipping them before it hit. Every time he saved someone, that champ got a triple kill... Singed single handedly cost us the game. Singed players are the worst what with their flipping people out of other peoples' spells. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 12 2013,20:56
Also, wtf. Almost a week straight and all I have seen on is Leisher. Peeps done?
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 13 2013,07:38
I'll be on tonight, but not until The Walking Dead is over. If I see sparse numbers, I'll be heading to BL2. And no Gordo, I don't think peeps are done, but there is a "perfect storm" right now keeping folks away. -Season 3 is ending at the end of this month, so climbing the ladder is pointless at this point. -Cake is working nights. -Stranger isn't on a ton, and now has distractions with DC's MOBA and BL2. -I played BL2 last night after seeing your post about nobody being on. In fact, I didn't get on Friday for the same reason. ARAM is fun, but right now I'm missing SR games. If we can't play SR ranked, I'd rather get some BL2 time in or Sleeping Dogs or GTA V or Gunpoint, etc. -Rifle has mostly been on. -Chaotic's school schedule has made his appearances sporadic. -Cognito has a firewall he can't get around. -Sniper was on vacation and is busy at work. -Venerable Sage has been getting on again lately. -Varamyr was on a lot this week. -You were on. I think my first point is a huge factor. When the next massive patch hits, watch and see how business picks back up. The next mega patch should be the only that sets the tone for season 4. In the meantime, we're essentially in the "off season". Posted by GORDON on Oct. 13 2013,08:37
I've never been interested in climbing the ladder.
Posted by Stranger on Oct. 13 2013,13:39
I was on Friday night.. it was at about 12:30 but I was on. i'll be on tonight. I'd love to play some Borderlands since its been a bit but i'm down for whatever
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 16 2013,05:29
Fun games last night. The gold ADC we were running with had a great attitude.I'll be on tonight around 10. Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 17 2013,22:22
After the game we just played, I think if Stranger and I team up, we can be diamond by the end of the season.Another epic comeback. Teemo vs Trynd top Annie vs Kass mid Twitch/Leona vs Cait/Nid bot Sej vs Hec jungle Annie was getting owned. I even started camping mid to minimize damage. Teemo was getting owned by Trynd. Teemo and Annie suuuuuuucked really bad. Twitch was a really good ADC. lolskill had him rated at 2000. The lowest on our team. But he played way above that score. Stranger and I recognized early that he was our only hope. I became glued to Twitched. We made it our mission to make sure he lived and scored kills. (Jealous yet Leisher?!) I literally ignored Annie and Teemo. My eyes were focused on Twitch. Where he was, I was. I would dash for some CC and damage, but I'd never get too far away. If someone made a move on him, (Trynd or Kass mostly), I'd get on them and try to minimize the damage. I know Stranger was doing the same, but honestly, I wasn't watching him either. I felt like a goalie putting myself between the enemy and our carry. The game continued like this for a while. We were hanging in there, but still losing. Enemy owned the map and everything on it. Then, mid game. . . They pushed mid, we tried to stop them and got aced. They continued pushing mid and got our inhibitor. Then they decided to go baron. We all spawned at pretty much the same time and ran to try to contest. I was sure it would be dead before we got there and we'd get aced again. But, it was still early enough that they were having a hard time with it. As we get there, Leona opened with her Ult (I think and took out their Trynd. The rest of our team converged on a VERY beat up enemy team. Ults went flying and we got 4 of the enemies. Kass ulted over the wall for the escape. OH, and in the middle of all this, I smite stole baron. With 4 of them down, and us all still pretty healthy, we pushed mid. We had no minions though as they had supers spawning mid. I tanked the turret as the team killed it. With a sliver of health remaining, their turret goes down with Kass watching, knowing he can't stop it. Then we take their inhib. I hit some heals and let my warmog's heal me as we all went bottom. By the time we got there, I was back to half health. We were pushing against 4 of them to get bottom tower. Then we decided to pull back, spend money and refresh everything. This was the turning point of the game. And also when their Nid quit. Watching the replay, after we took mid, she started jungling while we pushed bottom. She was in our jungle near our blue when she stopped running, sat there for a bit, then disconnected. She was very under leveled, had been feeding hard core. I'm smelling a rage quit. I'm guessing her team was not being very supportive. Right before the baron fight, we were down by 9200 gold. After the baron fight, it was around 6k behind. But we slowly caught up as momentum stayed with us for the rest of the game. Then we killed another baron, pushed their base down to one nexus turret. Then made one more push for the win. Epic come back. Epic game. Yes, they lost Nid, but, I think they were better off without her. When she left, she was 3-5 levels behind everyone with a score of 1/12/?. She was a non issue. Our teemo and Annie were both VERY negative at the end as well. BUT, they at least brought damage to the late game fights letting Twitch continue to carry us. It's amazing how much better a game runs when the ADC is allowed to do his job. :-) And congrats to Stranger as that game was his final win for his promo to silver. Posted by Stranger on Oct. 18 2013,06:54
One of the best comebacks i've ever been a part of!I had guessed and said we may have been down 6k gold before the epic Baron fight, but 10K?! WOW! i didn't even realize Cake had stole it till it was all over because of all the ults lighting up the screen like the 4th of July. However he pulled it off i don't know, cause it was complete madness, just a moshpit of bodies flying around. I believe Cake had even said that his smite had just came up at the very instant he used it. If we woulda arrived even 1 second later we prolly woulda been aced. The timing of us running there with no vision and dropping all ults at once and the smite steal was unbelievable. That shit was stuff of legends right there! I know we've all been in games where someone made a great steal and it was awesome or it sucked cause the other team pulled off some bullshit. But we literally had our backs to the wall and it was our only hope to even give us a sliver of a chance at a comeback. This is the one time that i've seen a baron fight truely turn the tides of a game. Expecially for a team down 10k in gold! I never wanted to win a game more because i was in game 5 of my promo series. It was the third or fourth time i had been there and lost every time. If i woulda lost my chances at silver for the season would have been greatly diminished (although i did find out they extended the season for a few days). I've gotta give Cake credit for bitting the bullet and dodging our first game, we had a terrible team comp and it was looking like a loss for sure. So props to Cake for saving my ass on that one!! I've never had a game put me in such a good mood. I woke up this morning with a smile on my face and nothing can ruin it. Its hilarious, how can one game do that? i feel like such a dork but it was really one of the all time best games i've ever played in. Twitch had said that he was in a promo series himself and had failed every time so he was in the same situation as me. With all that was on the line and the pressure i put on Cake not to suck, we just wanted it more. Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 18 2013,23:22
You had to end that with "I really needed Cake to not suck"?!
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 19 2013,09:30
Knights won our promo series last night and the 5v5 team is now Bronze I.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 19 2013,10:40
You guys went 3 more games after I left? That was like 2am.
Posted by Stranger on Oct. 19 2013,13:52
(Leisher @ Oct. 19 2013,12:30) QUOTE Knights won our promo series last night and the 5v5 team is now Bronze I. Awesome! And to think that team started out bronze 5! Maybe we can get silver before seasons end. I've got a few places to go tonight but I'll be on. Prolly sometime after 11. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 20 2013,16:30
Hey, just FYI, and I know the main response will be to "just deal with it," but the last 4 times I have faced Aatrox in lane, he has crushed me.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 20 2013,17:07
Ha, just played Singed in an ARAM. Went 18/12/29, with the fewest deaths on the team. That was pretty funny. Helped set up a Pentakill for Tristiana.... I made sure to not flip her 4th kill because I would have robbed her.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 21 2013,10:21
Tidbits of news and interest from Riot over the past week:QUOTE Q: Any plans for some sort of loyalty reward type thing, like playing for 2 years gives you x RP? A: We have been looking into a plan for this and are currently working out the details. - DontHassleDaHoff QUOTE one of the common situations is that most players don't have significant quantities of IP lying around. QUOTE Q: Is there ever any chance players will be able to temporarily gift a skin to a teammate when trading champions in draft mode? (For example, I have Old Saint Zilean and Mighty Jax. I've often wanted to, when picking that champion for other people, be able to let them use that skin.) A: That's a cool idea! Never considered it before. - Udyr On the PBE, once a turret is destroyed, it no longer appears on the mini-map. There are 14 new mastery icons on the PBE, but no news on what they're for yet. Note: They do NOT apply to any existing masteries. QUOTE "We're currently working on a bunch of stuff that's planned for release during the Pre-Season of Season 4. That includes a number of adjustments to fighters, things to improve the overall state of support and jungle play plus some other stuff we're still finalizing. Not all of that will be released at once and the fighter stuff won't be part of the first pre-season patch. We'll talk details closer to the time, right now we're really focusing on getting the core of the changes sorted out. One thing I can mention at the moment though is that we're looking to create more distinctive niches for fighters. Right now a number of our fighters are somewhat interchangeable in terms of the gameplay experience they offer and what they bring to a team. As a result if you're after a figher picking whoever's got the best chance of winning the laning phase is a common choice, which can result in a small pool of regular picks. Other roles, such as supports for example, have much more defined niches (pick Leona for an early kill lane/strong dive initiations, Janna for a really defensive peel role, Blitzcrank for a opportunistic pick comp, Zyra for an AOE/anti melee pick etc). That's not to say support balance is perfect, or that defining clear niches for fighters will be a simple, immediate solution to fighter issues. It is however a direction we believe can do a lot to help create a situation where a sizable number of fighters are seen as attractive picks at the same time." This one is huge, < Team Builder. > Think solo queue except you pre-select your preferred position, and then it places you with other folks to complete a 5 man team. There's a fuck ton of info into that article. ![]() QUOTE Q: How long do you have to play league to be consider a "Veteran" A: "Our current thinking around "Veteran" is around account creation age. So if you've been playing for 1 year, you'd be a 1 year Veteran." - DontHassleDaHoff QUOTE Q: I'm curious how many players are paying customers. A: "Yeah that type of info is locked up tight. All I can say is that most players never spend a dime, even players that make it to the top 1% of the rankings, and we're OK with that." - Hippalus QUOTE In our research, we were surprised that role preferences were pretty diverse. When we surveyed players and asked what their preferred role was, about 15% of players preferred playing Support, 14% of players preferred playing Jungle, and 5% of players were willing to fill any role. You can Mystery Gift someone for 490 RP during this year's Harrowing, and they can get any skin for a character, including Ultimate skins. Turret indicators are coming to training and bot games. They will allow you to see turret range, so you can take that knowledge into regular games. Technically, this could be considered a small buff for Teemo on TT. QUOTE Dominion and Twisted Treeline Item Changes Blackfire Torch Total Cost increased to 2650 from 2400 Recipe cost increased to 970 from 720 Active duration reduced to 20% of targets MAX HP in magic damage over 4 seconds down from 6 seconds ( for clarity - this is a buff ) Grez's Spectral Lantern Stealth-detecting mist duration lowered to 5 seconds from 10, reveal lowered to 3 seconds from 6 seconds. Hextech Sweeper Stealth-detecting mist duration lowered to 5 seconds from 10, reveal lowered to 3 seconds from 6 seconds. Sanguine Blade Total cost increased to 2275 from 2175 Recipe Cost increased to 600 from 500. Attack Damage increasaed to 50 from 40 The Lightbringer Total cost increased to 2700 from 2325 Recipe Cost increased to 575 from 200 Stealth-detecting mist duration lowered to 5 seconds from 10, reveal lowered to 3 seconds from 6 seconds. Harrowing ward skins are now permanent. QUOTE "The price is 490 RP [ per mystery gift ] and he will receive a skin that is valued between 520RP and 3250RP" "Standard gifting rules, 3 gifts per day" "No, you don't get to pick the skin or champion. You just pick the friend and they get a random skin for a random champion." "Harrowing Mystery Gifting will be a pure random draw. PFE will have the same chance as Freljord Ashe." QUOTE We're buffing support gold a lot - we're going to have to do a lot of champ-specific changes (and yes, some nerfs) because they've never been balanced to scale at all. If they get to scale, then it needs to be reasonable in how and why. More on this soon." TT is no longer "beta". Champs getting LOTS of work right now are Sivir, Kassadin, Ahri, Xerath, Morgana, Skarner, Heimerdinger, and Zed. Also, saw something about Rengar's changes going live "soon". Posted by Leisher on Oct. 22 2013,09:57
The PBE is completely changing. They're going to be restricting access to far fewer players, and they'll be hand picked. They're going to expect you to give constant and quality feedback, and they'll be booting folks from the program all the time. They're also going to start putting content in that is much farther out in the development cycle. So instead of just the next champ, folks on the PBE might see the next 3 or 4 champs. In different news: -It occurred to me the other night that Rifle is still calling plays. I thought we were having Cake take the point on this? -I was looking for a good Kennen guide (I realized my AP runes and masteries have stuff that doesn't apply to him...), and found a ridiculously high ranked < Singed build > (look at the ratings!) and < a Maokai build. > They're S3, which will end soon, but thought you guys might want to see them. -Pretty sure I'll be on most nights by 10. That gives me time to put the kids to bed, visit with the wife, and kill whomever BL2 wants me to kill that day. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 22 2013,18:22
1. Love the "enter solo queue as top" function. That is the main reason I don't solo more.... no one gets the lanes they want, everyone gets pissed, I don't like playing with pissed off people.2. That is pretty close to my Singed build, but the masteries/runes are pretty different from what I do. I will look in to it. 3. My internet at this hotel seems to be pretty good, but I have had an absolutely shit day and will be going to sleep early. SHOULD be on the rest of the week. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 23 2013,10:20
< Here comes the preseason. >Pretty interesting list of changes. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 23 2013,11:59
I plan on being on tonight.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 24 2013,09:22
Good games last night. I particularly enjoyed beating a team with three plats. Here are the nerfs for Jinx on the PBE right now: QUOTE Jinx Switcheroo ( Q ) - mini gun total attack speed lowered to 30/55/80/105/130 from 50/70/90/110/130% Switcheroo ( Q ) cooldown now .9 from 1. Zap (W) - base damage lowered to 10/60/110/160/210 from 30/75/120/165/210. Zap (W)- mana cost increased to 50/60/70/80/90 from 45/55/65/75/85 Flame Chompers ( E ) - mana cost increased to 75 at all ranks from 50. < Lots of new info on the upcoming preseason changes. > Where that fourth jungle camp is located is interesting. I'll be on tonight around 10ish. Earlier if I get my BL2 task done quickly. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 25 2013,04:46
It might be the laptop and hotel internet, but I dont think I can hang up top any more against the higher ranks our plat brings in. all I ever see up there is Ren and Aatrox and they just kick my ass.
Posted by Stranger on Oct. 25 2013,11:34
< http://www.lolsummoners.com/stats/rankings# >Interesting stats on solo-q rankings. Just under 1,000,000 NA players. 31% Bronze 42% Silver 17% Gold 6% Plat 2% Diamond .005% Challenger Posted by RifleScout on Oct. 25 2013,19:18
(Stranger @ Oct. 25 2013,11:34) QUOTE < http://www.lolsummoners.com/stats/rankings# > Interesting stats on solo-q rankings. Just under 1,000,000 NA players. 31% Bronze 42% Silver 17% Gold 6% Plat 2% Diamond .005% Challenger i looked me up and i'm in the top 4%. Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 27 2013,02:28
Holy hyper carry Kassadin.Just had an epic game. Jinx, Kass, Jayce, Mao, and Vi (me) vs. Cait, Zyra, Irelia, Jax, Le Blanc Our first pick guy stole adc (pick order bro) and insta locked Jinx. After all the lanes were called, no one called support, of course. I was last pick. Someone mentions "No support?" I said "Is there ever?" They agreed. So, picks continued. Kass and Mao locked next. Mao said "bottom". Jinx asked him to take exhaust, Mao declined with root and slow. So, I got jungle. Thank you. Load screen starts and I scout the teams. With 1% of each other. Our Jinx is supposed to be pretty decent though (compared to other bronze). Cool. Game starts. Jinx doesn't leave spawn. Game continues, Jinx doesn't leave spawn. Yay. AFK insta locking adc. I get to my red and Jax stole it. I go right to his with my smite. He's pulling his red AWAY from the bushes. Ok. . . I wait and smite steal. He's at 30% health, I'm full, Kass pings on his way. I attack. It's Jax, and early, so I'm not doing much. I see their top coming. Then their mid responds, then our Jayce. Kass and I get pinched and die. 2 - 0 exchange. Blah. Game continues, Jayce is feeding Irelia, kinda bad. Not train wreck bad. But "stop it now, idiot" bad. Mau is holding bot and going full tank/AP mao. Getting fed too. Kass is winning his lane by a kill or two, but losing CS. Over all, we are holding out, except for top. Then roaming starts. And we just clicked. We were where we needed to be to support each other. Bait, turn, double kill. We didn't lose any exchanges. We were keeping the lanes pushing in their direction instead of ours. Except for top. Irelia is pushing hard. We would get an advantage, but couldn't go strong with it because of the top split push. But, we were whittling them away, bit by bit. They were damaging us too, but, we were actually getting a pretty decent kill lead. Kass was starting to rape and could insta pop Cait. And if we could keep the rest busy/slow long enough, he'd kill them too. Jax would disappear in about 3 seconds. Etc. We were pushing mid hard at this point, they were still trying to split push top. So, whoever was the most hurt would go back for D. At one point, me, Kass and Mao were down to about 11% health each, and Jax came in, full health. I dashed, but he jumped and stunned me. But, my dash brought up my shield, and I had hit a heal potion. They turn and burst him. Big chunk gone. Then I start hitting him and he's spinning/dodging. Kass and Mao still lay into him. Mao roots and me and Kass hit him. Now Jax is trying to run, Kass ult, dead. It was quite awesome. We continue our assault. Making ZERO mistakes. Yes, we would die, but it was never more than one of us, and it was never because we were alone getting blue or something stupid like that. :-) Then, at end game, we are all back, we all shopped and we started a hard push up mid. They were split pushing and we were sprinting up mid, not even waiting for our minions. Irelia is split pushing top again with Zyra. Jax is pushing bottom back (again, we always had the minions pushing them). We get to mid and Cait and Le Blanc are defending their inhib turret. Kass dives POW, Cait explodes, but he doesn't kill her. I dash at her while Kass ults out of the turret. I'm tanking, and he kills her. LB was getting pounded by Mao and Jayce. I take two more hits from the turret then let the minions take over. Turret goes down quick. Irelia continues to push top. We are taking their inhib while she is taking our inhib turret. Base race! But, we are so beefed up at this point that we just roll them. We are tanking BOTH nexus turrets while we kill Jax and Zyra. Continue tanking while we kill both turrets. By the time the second dropped, I was down to 25% health. I had been tanking the whole time. Irelia takes our inhib and recalls. Kass holds her off while we hit the Nexus. Mao roots her, we keep hitting nexus. She ends up dying to someone's ability and then the nexus blows up. 4v5. HARD core team work. Played the entire game NOT TO FUCKING DIE!! and it worked fucking perfect. We had the kill lead, by a LOT, had all the lanes pushed one tower deep, won with a mid push, never took the dragon, never went baron. They took all towers top lane, but didn't kill the top inhib (watched the replay. She recalled when it was at 10%), took all of mid lane, except the inhib. Two towers bottom lane. We had over twice the kills the entire game, but didn't catch up in gold until 30 minutes in. They had a 2-4k gold lead till then. The second to last team fight of the game, we met right in the middle of mid lane. But we were 4v4. Zyra was worried about their bottom lane. She was fighting the minions at the spot where their first tower would have been. Our minions did not have a strong push, their second tower was NOT in danger. As we group up in mid, their Jax peals away from the group and starts fighting the wraiths. Zyra is pinging bot lane repeatedly. She REALLY did not like our minions there for some reason. Le Blanc starts heading that way, and Irelia is heading towards top. Kass ults and insta pops Cait who was at 70% health due to a Mao present she just took to the face. We push. LB and Zyra get bottom pushing our way and head back to mid. Irelia changed her mind about going top when Cait died and was in the area. Jax finished wraiths and came in behind us while we were killing their second mid turret. Then ended up converging pretty well, focused well, and in the end, 3 of us died. Kass lived. They push our mid hard, and Kass holds them. They take our inhib turret and start on the inhib. But, they separate again. Kass bursts Jax, who was at 30% health and kills him. This stops their inhib bashing and they retreat. Meanwhile, we are spawning and heading in. This is the push that wins the game for us. We push mid hard. LB stops at blue on the way back. We are pushing hard. Irelia goes top. We are pushing. Cait is waiting at their inhib turret as we kill their second mid turret. LB is taking the time to get all three creeps at blue while we kill their turret. Irelia pushes top. Zyra recalls from bot to defend with Cait. As we roll up on the inhib turret, Cait is actually alone, but Zyra is at their nexus turrets and on her way. That's when Kass dives, etc, as read above. So, a couple details were off above. The replay refreshed my memory. Epic game. Epic example of how playing not to die can win games. Well, that and a hyper carry Kass. End score was 40 to 20. They had a 5k gold lead at 20 minutes and even in kills. 14 minutes later, we win with twice the kills and 2k more gold. Posted by Stranger on Oct. 27 2013,06:48
< http://sittingonacouch.com/podcast/leagueoflegends/jungle-lol/ >Hey cake, i'd like you to check out this podcast. They talk about their jungle builds with Jarvan and VI. Also lee sin and Elise, but for this check it out. They start talking about J4 at about 7:30 and Vi at 17:00 A few notes I take from the builds. Masteries 21-9-0 Runes Ar Pen reds AD quints Armor yellows Mag resist blues Build Ancient Golem and tank items afterward.. Not sure what you've been building but maybe check it out and see if you like it. Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 27 2013,16:43
What is the definition of 21/9. 21 for AP is different from AD. 21 for Jarvin would be different from 21 for Trynd, etc. They need to give more info.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 28 2013,09:39
< How vision is going to work in S4. >-Vision wards are no longer invisible, are cheaper, and have 5 hit points. -Each team member can now only place 3 "stealth" (the green ones) wards and 1 vision ward at any given time. -Every has a new slot for trinkets. Trinkets are free and do 1 of 3 functions. Read the article for more. < How supports are changing in S4. > Alistar has been singled out as a champ that will need a slight rework due to the changes. They think he'll be too powerful. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 29 2013,07:14
I am at work until 1 a.m. tonight babysitting servers.As this usually involves a lot of sitting around, I will try to get on, but I won't have headphones. I'll install TS though so I can hear. Posted by Stranger on Oct. 29 2013,07:28
Some dude talking more about season 4 changes. Its starting to look really cool and changing alot of what needs to be done. I'm hoping they start implementing these shortly after the season ends.Quote from Cloud668 (Reddit translator) Hello, this is Misaya from Team WE. S4 testing in Los Angeles concluded just a few days ago, so today I'm here to share some of the changes. Firstly, I think these S4 changes will make the game more competitive and interesting. In the S4 preseason tournaments, there will be much fewer level 1 fights. Minions spawn at 1:00 and jungle camps spawn at 1:30 (on the test client now, but subject to changes). The appearance of Trinkets (3 abilities: a 60s ward, clairvoyance, and a small stealth detection) will let level 1 fights be less feasible. Level 1 fights will be very rare in future ranked and tournament games. Another thing to note is that the gold from First Blood before 4 minutes is also reduced to 240. Who would sacrifice lane experience for so little gold in a level 1 fight? The changes to the vision system and the positions of bushes will let skirmishes happen more often. Whoever can best utilize the new Trinkets (a 7th item slot dedicated to vision items) will directly decide your vision control and come out ahead in skirmishes. How to use Trinkets should be the first thing to learn; they are definitely the most important items in this version of the game. Big changes to the assist system and support role will let the support have more carrying power. In this version, supports can get gold from various sources (masteries, assists, towers, new items, and the gold ADs obtain). In the testing, I found out that gold from assists are just way too much. During testing, Madlife would always have a lot of items. One time, when he was supporting me, he had Philosopher's Stone, Ruby Sightstone, and potions before 8 minutes. We won that match easily. If support and AD can win bot lane, the support can definitely carry. I believe many different supports will appear in future tournaments ![]() The changes to jungle involve a new jungle camp and itemization changes. I've got to say that right now, the gold increase from jungle items is too much, especially Wriggles Lantern (giving an additional 40% gold of jungle creeps in testing). Several other items also give pretty good gold. The increase to assist gold will let the jungler, who is already roaming all game, get more gold. The new jungle camp is definitely a blessing in the preseason. It gives decent experience and gold, and isn't hard to take down. It also gives balance to the map, letting every quarter of the map have 3 jungle camps, making jungle diversity richer. The S4 changes are definitely interesting, and we had a lot of fun in testing. Support is no longer negligible, and the changes to masteries also let AP become more interesting. Although support and junglers are becoming stronger, the damage of AP and AD will also increase due to masteries changes. This version of the game will need the AP to be more active in roaming in tandem with the jungler, since there are more resources to contest on the map. How to help the jungle and other lanes get more jungle resources and tower gold will the main objective of the new season. During testing, we found that every game proceeded very quickly. The gold increase from first tier turrets (the killer of the first tier turret will get 250 gold + 75 gold to everyone), will let the game develop faster. On the whole, the game rhythm will develop from active early game fights: towers, dragon, and buffs will all become extremely important objectives to contest. The Sightstone will also let the winning side get more chances to attack, while the defending side will also have some ability to strike back. The changes to Baron buff (the buff holding side will receive a buff similar to Mobility boots and a percentage increase to tower damage). So with the buff, the speed of taking down towers is like...I think a TF with Lich Bane and Deathcap can take down an inhibitor turret in 2 blue cards? Baron buff no longer gives any fighting power, so the defending side has to actively attack, or else the towers go down way too fast. After testing, I am truly looking forward to the preseason. This will definitely be a very fun version. We've been playing the S3 version for a very long time. Even though S3 is an excellent version, I am still eager for the new version, because the changes are very interesting and attractive. Nobody knows which champions and what strategies will become mainstream in the preseason tournaments. Are you guys excited for the new season? Let's await the Preseason together! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Baron buff now grants a huge percent of bonus damage to towers and out-of-combat MS boost - Baron buff no longer grants health regeneration and bonus AD/AP - Minions now spawn at 1:00 (changed from 1:30) - Monster camps now spawn at 1:30 (changed from 2:05) - Outer towers (possibly all towers) now grant 250 gold to the killer and 75 to all other allies - First blood within the first 4 minutes now grants 240 gold (down from 400) - There is a new jungle item that gives significantly increased gold income from killing monsters - Mid laners will gain increased damage from the revised Masteries, but they’ll also need to roam more, as there will be more objectives to secure - The support on bot lane has a much larger potential to carry if the lane is won Posted by Leisher on Oct. 29 2013,14:52
< Game flow changes >Also, ranked queues are going to be disabled tonight at 10:30 EST and the servers brought down at midnight. Posted by Stranger on Oct. 30 2013,11:17
Anyone interested in doing a mystery gift swap? It cost 490RP and you're garanteed a skin worth at least 520RP. Since most skins are 975RP its prolly gonna be a good deal. i'm willing to do a few swaps so lemme know. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 30 2013,12:03
I'm in.
Posted by Stranger on Oct. 30 2013,12:13
(GORDON @ Oct. 30 2013,15:03) QUOTE I'm in. Cool! I just got paid today and wanna spend some cash. I'll be on tonight Posted by GORDON on Oct. 30 2013,12:33
Got my 10k RP for my Serve card and feeling NRich.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 30 2013,12:37
I would do a swap too. In fact, I had already sent a mystery gift. So whoever sends me one will get one in return. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 30 2013,12:39
Me too. I sent 3.
Posted by Stranger on Oct. 30 2013,12:48
right on! ill be sending out some too
Posted by Stranger on Oct. 30 2013,12:58
Gordo told me he's hoping for a Karma or Poppy skin.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 30 2013,13:36
(Stranger @ Oct. 30 2013,15:58) QUOTE Gordo told me he's hoping for a Karma or Poppy skin. I bought all those earlier today. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 30 2013,13:47
I have a couple blank rune pages... once the new season changes go in, someone show me how to set up a support set for those times in solo queue when I am last in the pick order.
Posted by Stranger on Oct. 30 2013,13:55
(GORDON @ Oct. 30 2013,16:47) QUOTE I have a couple blank rune pages... once the new season changes go in, someone show me how to set up a support set for those times in solo queue when I am last in the pick order. good idea on waiting for the new season changes.. I have a feeling support rune pages are gonna change alot. I have also read that the runes themselves are gonna change somewhat. No clue what or how they are gonna change, just wait and see i guess. Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 30 2013,15:23
If you got one of them there Serve cards, you wouldn't HAVE to spend cash!** Note to self: Change your direct deposit info from Gordon's card back to your own. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 30 2013,16:50
They buffed Morgana a bit... I tried her out in a custom game, and damn, I can now win a 1v5 with her, pretty easily. Never could before.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 31 2013,07:38
Got an Alistar skin from Stranger. YAY!
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 31 2013,07:39
(Cakedaddy @ Oct. 30 2013,18:23) QUOTE ** Note to self: Change your direct deposit info from Gordon's card back to your own. Oooooh, that's right, you did it like that. Subliminal note to Cake: leave the DD info alone... it's just fine... Posted by Stranger on Oct. 31 2013,07:53
(GORDON @ Oct. 31 2013,10:38) QUOTE Got an Alistar skin from Stranger. YAY! What one? Infernal Alistar is a cool skin Posted by GORDON on Oct. 31 2013,07:54
Longhorn.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 31 2013,08:52
Gordo got me Battle Bunny Riven.Stranger got me Temple Jax. Apparently, Riot is hinting that I need to play top lane more. ![]() Posted by Stranger on Oct. 31 2013,09:15
(Leisher @ Oct. 31 2013,11:52) QUOTE Gordo got me Battle Bunny Riven. Stranger got me Temple Jax. Apparently, Riot is hinting that I need to play top lane more. ![]() Hah.. thats the one with the funny sombrero looking hat isn't it? So much for banning Jax anymore Posted by Leisher on Oct. 31 2013,09:30
< The jungle changes >
Posted by Stranger on Oct. 31 2013,11:29
Cake, were you interested in the mystery gift swap? i know how stingy you can be with that RP.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 31 2013,21:57
You can give me one if you want. That won't cost me any RP!I like spending my RP on limited edition special skins. Oh. Wait. . . Posted by Stranger on Nov. 01 2013,05:15
Got Sasquatch Nunu from Leisher! Legacy skin! Currently its not for sale and hasn't been since 2011, so i'm happy i got this one. New Nunu main here Posted by RifleScout on Nov. 01 2013,14:18
Be on at like 12ish
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 04 2013,10:41
For Stranger Posted by Leisher on Nov. 05 2013,10:39
Hmmm....![]() The new masteries ![]() Offense Tier 1 Feast (1 Rank) - Each time you kill a unit restore 2 health and 1 mana Fury (4 Ranks) - Gain 1.25/2.5/3.75/5% increased Attack Speed Sorcery (4 Ranks) - Gain 1.25/2.5/3.75/5% Cooldown Reduction Butcher (1 Rank) - Deal 2 additional damage versus minions with basic attacks and single target spells (does not included Damage over time effects or Area of Effect spells) Tier 2 Doubled Edge Sword (1 Rank) - Melee: Deal an additional 2% damage and receive 1% additional damage. Ranged: Deal and recieve an additional 1.5% damage Brute Force (3 Ranks) - +4/8/12 Attack Damage at level 18 (+0.22/0.44/0.66 per level) Mental Force (3 Ranks) - +6/12/18 Ability Power at level 18 (+.33/.66/.99 per level) Tier 3 Spell Weaving (1 Rank) - Damaging an enemy champion with an auto attack increases your spell damage by 1% stacking up to 3 times. (Max 3% damage increase) Martial Mastery (1 Rank) (Req Brute Force) - +5 Attack Damage Arcane Mastery (1 Rank) (Req Mental Force)- +8 Ability Power Executioner (3 Ranks) - Increases damage dealt to champions below 20/35/50% health by 5% Tier 4 Blade Weaving (1 Rank)(Req Spell Weaving) - Damaging an enemy champion with a spell increases your basic attack damage by 1% stacking up to 3 times. (Max 3% damage increase) This cannot be trigger more than once per second Warlord (3 Ranks) -Increases Bonus Attack Damage by 2/3.5/5% Archmage (3 Ranks) - Increases Ability Power by 2/3.5/5% Dangerous Game (1 Rank) (Req Executioner)- Killing a champion restores 5% of your missing health and mana Tier 5 Frenzy (1 Rank) - Critical hits increases your attack speed by 5% for 3 seconds (stacks up to 3 times) Devastating Strikes (3 Ranks) - +2/4/6% Armor and Magic penetration Arcane Blade (1 Rank) - Your basic attacks also deal bonus magic damage equal to 5% of your Ability Power Tier 6 Havoc (1 Rank) - 3% Increased Damage Defense Tier 1 Block (2 Ranks) - Reduce incoming damage from champion basic attacks by 1/2 Recovery (2 Ranks) - +1 health per 5 seconds Enchanted Armor (2 Ranks) - Increase your bonus Armor and Magic Resistance by 2.5/5% Tough Skin (2 Ranks) - Reduce damage taken from neutral monsters by 1/2, This does not effect lane minions Tier 2 Unyielding (1 Rank)(Req Block) - Melee - Reduce all incoming damage from champions by 2 Ranged - Reduce all incoming damage from champions by 1 Veteran Scars (3 Ranks) - +12/24/36 Health Bladed Armor (1 Rank) - Enemy monsters that attack you bleed dealing damage equal to 1% of their current health each second.\nThis does not work against lane minions. Tier 3 Oppression (1 Rank) - Reduces damage taken by 3% from enemies that have impaired movement (Slows, snares, taunts, stuns, etc) Juggernaut (1 Rank)(Req Veteran Scars) - +3% Maximum Health Hardiness (3 Ranks) - +2/3.5/5 Armor Resistance (3 Ranks) - +2/3.5/5 Magic Resistance Tier 4 Perseverance (3 Ranks) - +1/2/3% of your missing health every 5 seconds Swiftness (1 Rank) - Reduce the effectiveness of slows by 10% Reinforced Armor (1 Rank)(Req Hardiness) - Reduces damage taken by critical strikes by 10% Evasive (1 Rank)(Req Resistance) - Reduces damage taken by 4% from Area of Effect magic damage Tier 5 Second Wind (1 Rank)(Req Perseverance) - Increase all sources of incoming healing by 10% when below 25% health Legendary Guardian (4 Ranks) - +1/2/3/4 Armor and 0.5/1/1.5/2 Magic Resistance for each nearby enemy champion Runic Shield (1 Rank) - Start the game with a 50 health shield. This shield regenerates each time you respawn Tier 6 Tenacious (1 Rank) - Reduces the duration of crowd control effects by 15% Utility Tier 1 Phasewalker (1 Rank) - Reduces the casting time of Recall by 1 second Fleet of Foot (3 Ranks) - +0.5/1/1.5% movement speed Meditation (3 Ranks) - +1/2/3 mana regen per 5 Scout (1 Rank) - Increases the cast range of wards and trinket items by 10% Tier 2 Conjuror (1 Rank) - Summoned units, traps, and cloness have 10% increased duration. This does not work on wards Summoner's Insight (3 Ranks) - Reduces the cooldown of Summoner Spells by 4/7/10% Strength of Spirit (1 Rank)(Req Meditation) - Gain Health Regeneration equal to 10% of your Mana Regeneration Alchemist (1 Rank) - Increases the duration of your potions and elixirs by 10% Tier 3 Greed (3 Ranks) - +.5/1/1.5 gold every 10 seconds Runic Affinity (1 Rank) - Increases the duration of shrine, relic, quest, and neutral monster buffs by 20% Vampirism (3 Ranks) - +1/2/3% lifesteal and spellvamp Culinary Master (1 Rank)(Req Alchemist) - Your health potions are upgraded into Biscuits that restore 20 health and 10 mana instantly upon consumption Tier 4 Wealth (1 Rank) (Req Greed)- +40 Starting Gold Bandit (1 Rank) - Melee: Grants an additional 15 Gold on Champion kill or assist Ranged: You gain an 3 gold each time you attack an enemy champion. This cannot trigger on the same champion more than once every 5 seconds Expanded Mind (3 Ranks) - +2/3.5/5% increased maximum mana Inspiration (2 Ranks) - +5 experience every 10 seconds while near a higher level allied champion Tier 5 Scavenger (1 Rank) (Req Bandit)- +1 Gold each time an ally kills a nearby lane minion Intelligence (3 Rank) - +2/3.5/5% Cooldown Reduction and reduces the cooldown of Activated Items by 4/7/10% Tier 6 Wanderer (1 Rank) - Gain 5% increased movement speed out of combat" Posted by Leisher on Nov. 05 2013,19:09
Played a bit on the PBE today with the new masteries. They need to be nerfed.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 08 2013,11:04
< Interesting and short Q&A about vision, jungle, and game flow in S4. >I might take the weekend off from LoL and play BL2. Not sure yet. Just not feeling any passion for LoL because I know S4 changes everything. I've been more into ARAM games than SR. I think us being so far from any promotion, and the season only 3 days from ending is helping make the decision for me. Posted by Stranger on Nov. 08 2013,12:40
ill be on. ill play whatever LOL or any other game for that matter. If anyone wants to play another game to try something else for a night i'm all ears. I noticed that Cake was playing Path of Exile a few days ago. I played that when it was in beta a few months ago and it was pretty cool. Its supposedly a better version of Diablo 3 Mechwarrior is a free to play game that is now out of beta and i've toyed around with that a few times, pretty cool mech game. Those were just a few that came to mind that are free and i thought were pretty fun. If anyone else has any suggestions say something. Or we can just play more LOL im always down for that. And of course BL2 is always an option, i didn't know anyone has been playing it though. Posted by Leisher on Nov. 08 2013,14:09
To my knowledge, I'm the only one playing BL2. I'm going through it with Axton and trying to level him up to take on some of the invincibles. I have numerous multiplayer games I'd like to run through at some point, but none of the ones you mention ![]() Magika (I know Cake has played that), Castle Defenders, Monaco, etc. would be fun. I wouldn't mind getting back into some TA or SC and definitely TA 2 when it hits. I've also got quite a few single player games I still need to knock off when I have time. In fact, I should be playing one of those over BL2. However, don't be fooled by me talking these other games. I'm not bored with LoL, I'm simply not interested in ranked for S3 because we don't have enough time to do anything with it. S3 ends Monday, and I'm pretty sure at least two of us won't be on Saturday... I'm probably going to be a bit sporadic until that S4 patch goes live. Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 08 2013,14:37
Team work for S4 changes? Playing smart changes?I dunno. I don't think champ builds/masteries/runes were our biggest problems. Learning to not do dumb things and to play as a team were. And that's not going to change for season 4. I've been playing ranked and practicing my support. I'm a pro leona now. I'm betting her abilities don't change much in season 4 and I'll still need to anticipate enemy movement for my ult, etc. I think it's hurting us taking this long break from LOL. Path of Exile. Meh. Spent a bit of time in it the other night with my wife. We like Titan Quest and Torchlight. Although this game plays almost exactly the same, it did have a good feel to it. I think the biggest problem I have with it is the economy. We spent a whole bunch of time grinding and collecting loot out in the wild. Had full packs and went back to town to sell it. Except, you don't sell it. You trade it. There is no gold/silver/etc that I see. I can trade in a bunch of low level items for some low level parts to 'orbs' and 'scrolls'. Then bigger items cost 5 'orbs' and 3 'scrolls' and stuff. I don't seem to have any control on what I'm getting for what I'm turning in. So, if I want 10 orbs to buy a new sword, but I'm getting scrolls, well, too bad, maybe. I don't know how to haggle with the NPC vendors. You might be able to. But I didn't see it. We weren't interested in learning a new economic model to play the game, so we don't plan to get back into it. As far as game play, story line, etc. It was much closer to Titan Quest than Torchlight. Skill tree is CRAZY huge. Like MASSIVE ENORMOUSLY huge. Which was cool and impressive. Scooty is playing World of Tanks (aka 'Tiny Tankies' as my wife calls it to drive him nuts) and loves it. Wants me to try it. Looks boring to me. Here's my observation: Game starts. Drive your tank closer to enemy and park in some trees/bushes to hide. Watch the screen as the scouts continue forward. 30-90 seconds later, enemy spotted. Zoom in on them and take aim. Aim is based on your shot dispersion indicator growing smaller the longer you aim. When the circle is tight enough, click to fire. Wait for it. Wait for it. Wait for it. BOOM round impacts target location. Meanwhile, target cursor is tightening up ready for the next shot. Wait, he's moving, moving my mouse to lead the target, my dispersion range jumps to max again, start waiting for it to tighten again, he's turning, move my mouse again, wait. Point is, a ton of waiting, not much firing, and when you do hit, very non-rewarding results. Didn't pen armor. Did 10% damage. Missed. Someone else kills before your round hits. You start getting hit while sitting and aiming. Now you have to move, etc. He did change from artillery to tank killer, which puts him up close in the action. Now, you face off against an enemy on a street. Exchange fire and hope you do more damage than him. Smart to travel in packs to focus/destroy enemies faster, etc. But still a lot of driving, stop, aim, don't move, cursor small enough, FIRE, blah impact. Tanks don't even explode. They just instantly change from a functioning tank to one with smoke coming out and it's tracks busted up. But he's spent many many hours grinding to buy upgrades. Not my thing. I'm playing TQ and TL2 nightly watching LOL to see if the team joins. But no one is ever there. I think Rifle is giving up on his diamond dreams because he's stuck at low platinum 1. Can't get close to his promo series. In summary, I'm playing other games now too, waiting for the LoL team to show up. I think we should keep playing to keep improving as a team. Some aspects of the game might be changing, but team work and playing smart is still going to apply. Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 11 2013,13:37
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XmBoQpu6X8 >Most of them are stupid. But watch 6:57 and 12:34. Posted by Leisher on Nov. 12 2013,09:31
I just checked and I got my S3 icon, but launched a custom to check and no border. Not sure if that just loads for non-customs...?I won't quit that team yet, because why not in case bridges are mended. Also, "the" patch is being discussed for next week. So if they stay on schedule, we'll see S4 preseason truly begin next week. I should be on here and there this week. Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 18 2013,00:35
I'm like a pro diamond level Ziggs player now. I can score all the kills and farm that Rifle does in mid, without all the dumb plays and feeding. :-)I'm like 9 for 10 in my last 10 ziggs games. The one I lost, my team was doing horrible and surrendered at 20. I never had a chance to take off. Mid/late game, I do SO much damage that my idiot teammates can start score kills and we win team fights. Having a high win rate with Rengar jungle as well. Key to winning bronze games is playing a champ that can snowball and carry. I don't know how Stranger ever got out of bronze maining support. That's quite a feat, in my opinion. Posted by Stranger on Nov. 20 2013,06:39
first part of the preseason patch hits late tonight!
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 20 2013,13:04
I don't think it did...
Posted by Stranger on Nov. 20 2013,14:45
Tonight..
Posted by Stranger on Nov. 21 2013,05:27
Preseason patch should be up later today. Don't forget that you will have to set all your masteries as they have changed quite a bit. I will be on tonight to test out all the new changes.
Posted by Stranger on Nov. 21 2013,13:57
WOW.. i'm seeing some great stuff for tanky supports. Leona is gonna be a boss, so tanky. Carry Leona all day!
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 21 2013,16:16
patch
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 23 2013,08:11
One for All only lasts until December 2nd. I think it'll be my preferred mode until that time.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 23 2013,08:38
I don't care for it much. If one champ naturally counters another, then you multiply that advantage by five. Fun if you are the n the winning side.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 23 2013,12:49
I like it because it has all the randomness of ARAM, the learning of champs you don't play often, and the casualness of ARAM. We got countered? Who cares? Try something crazy to win. The only game that wasn't a ton fun was the Katarina game, and that's because Rifle wasn't in voice, and I had to hear peeps complaining about it the whole game. I still had fun with it though. Doing new things in a casual situation is a lot more fun then getting hammered in ranked. It's just a nice change of pace before the season starts. Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 23 2013,18:31
It is something that I might do instead of ARAM, but not my main mode of play. I want to hit the new season with the knowledge and understanding of the 4th season stuff. Ranked games are way different than normal games. So practicing in ranked right now when it doesn't matter is free practice. Once season 4 starts, the only safe way to practice is in normals where you have idiots or people trying new stuff. Hard to get a good team comp in normals. So then you have to practice in ranked games that actually matter.I'm not going to waste the preseason practice. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 25 2013,08:32
I've got to admit, the Janna vs. Shyvana win was pretty epic.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 25 2013,15:04
Meh. The shyvannas were just epically stupid. It's like beating a retard at checkers. It's not very rewarding.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 25 2013,15:05
YOU aren't very rewarding.Burn. Posted by Stranger on Nov. 26 2013,12:10
So last night we did a One For All game and we got Lee Sin. Cake had mentioned that he was gonna go AP so our whole team wasn't doing physical damage. And i basically said that would be the dumbest thing you could do and i just wanted to clear myself up on that and show you what i mean by that.Here is a link to Lee Sin's abilities on Wiki: < http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Lee_Sin > Now when you look at his abilities here is what you get: Q- all physical damage and scales off of AD. W- a shield that scales off of AP E- Does magic damage but scales off of AD R- Physical damage that scales off of AD And of course all autoattacks always do physical damage. So now, if you were to get all AP items the only thing you would be increasing is his shield by 80% of your total AP. That doesn't mean that all of your attacks are now doing magic damage. Yes, his E does magic damage but getting more AD is the only way to get that ability to do more damage. So just throwing some AP on any ole champ will not automatically change your damage type. < http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Shyvana > I know that Gordo had mentioned the other night that since Shyvana's fire does magic damage that she should just build AP. Well it doesn't work that way, sure you can build AP on Shyvana but you will only be helping out her E and her R. Those abilities are not your main damage dealers and are on long cooldowns. So you will always build AD and tank items on her. So i hope this clears things up a little on that because i got a little huffy with Cake because he mentioned building AP on Lee Sin. Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 26 2013,22:20
So. . . .Where is everyone going? All I know is: Gordon wants out of top and Leisher wants a permanent position. What's the status of Rifle? I'm guessing he'll be moving on to bigger and better teams and we'll be able to count on him less. I'm guessing Drexian will fill our fifth for us, but will also be on different teams as his primaries. Do we want to try to recruit. . . again. . . Over all, I haven't had a problem with our recruiting efforts, except that they normally think they can do better without us after we don't carry them to gold. But, while they are with us, they are generally good team mates for the most part. I'm down for whatever. I have been practicing jungle, mid, support and ADC. I have not been doing top, but I can. So, I guess call what you want so I know what to start practicing. I'm considering going support primary, fill secondary. Not trying to step on toes. . . But, Stranger is available maybe once a week or so and we need a steady support. Perhaps he's ready for a change as well. Just when support gets a buff. :-) Posted by Leisher on Nov. 27 2013,08:18
I'm game to play any lane.I think the role I'm least familiar with at this point would be jungle, not that it matters. I will leave my role for the team to decide. Rifle will be around. He's also indicated that he wouldn't mind going top if someone else wanted mid. Drex is a fantastic teacher, and has the same, don't give up mindset. I think he'd be a huge asset to continue playing with. As for recruiting, I think it'll depend on Stranger, Rifle, and Drex. Let's see where things stand, and if we need to grab someone, we do it, but we be more up front about what we're looking for... Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 27 2013,20:54
We are going to have two teams. . . one that is all bronze players and one that includes our plat players. When the plat people aren't playing, we are on our bronze team. When they are, we are on the other team. Are we playing the same role on both teams? We will need to recruit a bronze or two for the bronze team.And then the big question, when will everyone be ready to start season 4? Lastly, I'm getting really tired of ARAM and 1 for All. Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 27 2013,20:54
Gordon would like Mid.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 27 2013,20:56
I'm pretty much ready.Can go mid or top. Anything else, I am unpracticed. Would like to learn support so I can solo more then when I get stuck with it I can be somewhat proficient and I wont hate every second of it. Posted by Leisher on Nov. 28 2013,09:23
QUOTE And then the big question, when will everyone be ready to start season 4? I'm ready now. During these holidays I expect to be sporadic, but as I stated previously, if we have "the" 5 for either team, let's do it. I'm going where ever you guys tell me to go. I want a permanent position on the bronze team. I'll be willing to move around with the plats. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2013,16:09
Cake's last game was December 1.Leisher's was November 23. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 06 2013,20:32
Sorry bud, been very busy these evenngs. I'm out tonight and tomorrow. Should be available Sunday. I was on Tuesday but nobody was on.
Posted by RifleScout on Dec. 06 2013,20:33
i will still play with u guys for sure, your fun ![]() Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 08 2013,20:58
Any idea how long the black out is going to last? Starting to shop for a team to play with but don't want to commit if ours is coming back.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 08 2013,21:00
I couldn't bring myself to play a TT with Cake and a hitler, tonight. I just have no interest in playing with strangers on the team. If we can't get a consistent team online, I will be out.
Posted by Stranger on Dec. 09 2013,04:54
With my wife scheduled to give birth this week i can't promise anything, i will be on when i can. I have actually been on quite a bit this last week and never saw more than Gordo and Rifle so it looks like just about everyone has been taking time off.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 09 2013,14:32
I was on every night for a couple/few weeks with no shows everywhere (except for Gordon. Dude has no life) and stopped logging in and waiting for people like a bitch.I guess I'm waiting for people to say "Ok, I'm back and this is when I can play" instead of just logging on every night and waiting and then logging back out 2 hours later. Posted by Paul on Dec. 10 2013,15:31
I know nothing of you game, but saw this was LoL related.![]() Posted by GORDON on Dec. 12 2013,18:40
ARAM Pentakill as Teemo![]() Posted by Leisher on Dec. 13 2013,10:04
Congrats, but with that build? Did they all DC? ![]() The new champ looks overly complex, and OP. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2013,12:36
(Leisher @ Dec. 13 2013,13:04) QUOTE Congrats, but with that build? Did they all DC? ![]() The new champ looks overly complex, and OP. It was a mess of a fight. 4 of them went down to mushrooms, the poison shot, and just shooting darts at them. 3 of my team were dead, the 4th was on his way in from respawn, so I was there alone. The last of the enemy team was about 85% hurt, and hiding under his twin Nexus towers. I could hear him mentally saying, "Fuck your penta" to me, telepathically. I Flashed in, took the killing shot for the penta, and got the hell out before the towers killed me. Was very exciting. I bought the new champ and have played him 3 times... he IS complicated. Not sure about OP yet... the E, which has the potential to do a lot of unanswerable damage, is modified by AP, which none of his other abilities is, so you really have no other reason to buy any AP items. Also, he is melee and seems to be very weak early game. Also, when activating the ult, I have died 90% of the time while doing it. So.... I dunno. Like every other champ they will say OP for the first 3 days, then people will get pissed at you in ranked because the champ is so weak, then in about a month some Asian team will figure out how to play him and he will be OP again. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2013,12:38
Also, the reason I came to this thread in the first place:Goodbye, Stranger. His wife just had the baby and I figure he's gonna be done now. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2013,14:12
Ronnie is gone for the foreseeable future, and cakedaddy has a new team. Is TKV done?
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 16 2013,14:43
Well, I've been busy with work and family commitments, so I haven't gotten on. Didn't want to promise an "I'll be back ____" since I didn't know.I had planned to return soon, but if you're the only one logging in who is making TKV his priority, why bother? I'll simply move onto new games and whatnot. Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 16 2013,15:24
I was tired of playing solo queue/aram/one4all. I wanted a team to play with. When I mentioned that I was 'applying' for teams, Gordon's response was something similar to 'fuck that'. So I figured he wasn't interested in getting on a new team.I found a team so I had people to play with as a team. I'm by no means abandoning TKV or not making it a priority. It's just hard to be the only one making a 5 person thing a priority. I guess I could go back to sitting there waiting for the other people to sign in so it looks like I'm making TKV a priority again. . . but that's not that much fun. I'm ready to go. I'm still logged in most nights, I've just been entertaining myself with other people right now. I've always considered this a team game and not playing on a team sucked. So, when my team is ready to go, so am I. And since when has the team been Gordon's priority. It's always been just about him like everything else in life. Selfish bastard. But seriously, I'm ready to go any time and don't blame me for the team falling apart when I'm the only one on still practicing and trying to improve my team skills! Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2013,16:32
Just wondered since a couple times recently you have gone to play with your new friends even when I was there waiting to play.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 16 2013,16:44
Someone pick a fun, more casual game during steam sale and I'll play.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 16 2013,17:04
Hell, if you do that I might join you. Depends on the game.Any of you like racing? Some friends and I do racing games a few nights a week. There's usually some more space. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 16 2013,17:06
I like racing. I'm not super good at it. I used to rule Mario Kart 64, but that was a long time ago.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 16 2013,17:20
It's a very mixed group. Roughly average, overall, you will probably not get tromped ... too badly. ![]() Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2013,17:47
My problem with that is I find racing games pretty boring. I watch the new Forenza4 (or whatever) commercials and I think LOOKS BORING.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 16 2013,19:11
The only racing games I tend to like are the < ones where you outfit the car with guns > or < destroy things with the car >. Occasionally, < cars masquerading as tanks >.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2013,19:13
I wish they would rerelease X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter so it could handle resolutions better than 640x480. I'd play the shit out of that.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 16 2013,19:17
(Malcolm @ Dec. 16 2013,22:11) QUOTE The only racing games I tend to like are the < ones where you outfit the car with guns > or < destroy things with the car >. Occasionally, < cars masquerading as tanks >. Those were all good games. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 16 2013,19:24
(GORDON @ Dec. 16 2013,21:13) QUOTE I wish they would rerelease X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter so it could handle resolutions better than 640x480. I'd play the shit out of that. QUOTE Development of video games based upon other Lucasfilm properties will now be assumed by Disney Interactive Studios or licensed to third parties. There's a chance. They'd be dumb-asses not to release more games in the ... Rogue Squadron Battlefront X-Wing TIE Fighter Dark Forces Jedi Knight whatever ... series because fuck knows they'd still sell. Revamps of old properties would probably be quicker and cheaper than brand new titles, too. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2013,19:25
I'd rebuy it. And buy a new flight stick with which to play it.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 16 2013,19:28
(GORDON @ Dec. 16 2013,21:25) QUOTE I'd rebuy it. And buy a new flight stick with which to play it. Good news: Disney is totally developing more Star Wars games. QUOTE After the purchase of Lucasfilm by The Walt Disney Company in 2012, Disney Interactive assumed the role of developing Star Wars games ... Bad news: QUOTE ... for the casual gaming market ... Eh, maybe still not bad? Ugly news: QUOTE ... while Electronic Arts would develop Star Wars games for the core gaming market through an exclusive license (although LucasArts did retain the ability to license Star Wars games to other developers for the casual gaming market). Fuck a duck. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2013,19:30
fuuuuck
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 16 2013,19:32
(GORDON @ Dec. 16 2013,21:30) QUOTE fuuuuck "The Empire's login servers are experiencing difficulties. Please wait for us to make room for you in deep space. Estimated wait time: about as long as it takes the Millennium Falcon to make the Kessel Run." Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 16 2013,19:49
Because you just want to do ARAM. Which is fine. You should play what you like. It has never bothered me to play with randoms. At this point, I'm hoping the team gets back on and we start playing. And that's what I'm preparing for. That's why I just play SR. That's what we play as a team. ARAM does very little for preparing you for real games. I just want to become a better player of the game. Every time I launch, it's me practicing for when we all start playing again. And the best practice is going to be in SR games. That's why I'm playing them.So, you might see it as me ignoring you or picking other people over you. But in reality, it is me trying to become a better player. For you. Everything is for you. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2013,19:51
7 parsecs? ha
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2013,19:52
No, when someone else is on i want to duo, at the very least. I didn't want to that one night, but every night since then I am ready. but you have a new team now, so I am just going to go fuck myself.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 16 2013,19:59
For like 2 weeks straight, all we did was aram.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2013,20:00
(Cakedaddy @ Dec. 16 2013,22:59) QUOTE For like 2 weeks straight, all we did was aram. The other night you kept launching aram games. I commented on it. you didn't respond. Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 16 2013,20:02
Because in my heart, I knew you wanted to play aram. So I launched them. For you.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2013,20:03
I have learned a lot from aram games, but i am willing to branch out now.When you aren't busy with your new team, that is. Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 16 2013,21:22
(TheCatt @ Dec. 16 2013,21:17) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Dec. 16 2013,22:11) QUOTE The only racing games I tend to like are the < ones where you outfit the car with guns > or < destroy things with the car >. Occasionally, < cars masquerading as tanks >. Those were all good games. The two we play the most currently are < Gas Guzzlers Extreme > and < FlatOut: Ultimate Carnage >, both of which would probably fit your preferences. Forza? Bah, that's not racing, that's train simulator for cars. Posted by Paul on Dec. 17 2013,04:33
![]() < How the data was collected: > How this data was collected: "The League of Legends client has a feature that lets you view the match history of other players. < Some folks on the Internet > reverse engineered the way the client talks to the LoL servers, so the data can be scraped programmatically. The data contains a field for lag, rounded to the nearest millisecond." Posted by Stranger on Dec. 17 2013,06:25
By the way, i'm not done. Yes, it will be a little harder than before but i will be making time to get on. I'm a gamer and my wife knows i'm a gamer. Now that my boy is getting into a bit of a routine it looks like week nights after 9 should be pretty good for me. Weekends should be ok too, but long 8 hour sessions might be hard without some breaks in there to feed or change a shitty diaper. I do plan on being on tonight, so if anyone is on i'll play. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 17 2013,10:11
(Paul @ Dec. 17 2013,07:33) QUOTE ![]() What he fuck is going on there at 50ms. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2013,10:21
QUOTE What he fuck is going on there at 50ms. Could be just dumb-asses who are slacking off at workplaces with good connections. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 17 2013,10:28
My average ping is close to 90. Looks like that's typical.One night we played against a team on which 14 was their highest ping (you used to be able to see everyones ping). We suspect that was the dev team at Riot playing on their own servers. We beat them, and soon after that a bunch of changes went in that crippled our play style, which at the time was to turtle heavy if we were losing. Complete coincidence. Posted by Stranger on Dec. 17 2013,11:01
the low pings are usually for the west coast players, Riot's servers are located in Cali so most of them players get around a 20 ping, that is if you have a decent provider ofcourse. If you check out the forums there are alot of people that are begging for an east coast server to accomodate us, but i don't think its that much of an issue myself. I'm always right at 75-80 ping Posted by GORDON on Dec. 17 2013,11:03
There are occasional lag spikes that are noticeable, but typically I don't see any delay (that I am aware of... that might account for the "3500 points of damage hit me instantaneously" moments) in the gameplay.My problem is that I have the fingers of a 40 year old and the peripheral nervous system of an 80 year old. Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 17 2013,19:03
And the ass of a 16 year old. At least that's what Leisher is always saying.
Posted by Paul on Dec. 17 2013,19:34
I swear I thought his ass was 18!
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 18 2013,13:20
QUOTE And the ass of a 16 year old. At least that's what Leisher is always saying. This is true. Although, I never specified "what". Hint: I wasn't talking about a human. Now, can we talk LoL? I thought about doing this private message style, but I've had conversations with a few folks and I want to get their opinions public, AND potentially grab the interest of some forum dwellers who aren't playing LoL... This is going to be a wall of text, so please allow me my long windedness. I've been pondering LoL a ton lately, and here's where I'm at: I don't want to stop playing LoL, but I want to move on from LoL. Let me explain. I LOVE LoL. Love it. Still watch videos. Still keep up on news. Etc. However, for three years, it's been all we do. I've skipped exercising for it. Skipped family time. Watched entire evenings disappear in the blink of an eye countless times. Skipped sleep for it. Fallen WAY behind on TV/movie viewing and book reading. I have a Steam list of 200 games that need to be played. Etc. Seriously, I've had Skyrim for 5 months and haven't touched it. GTAV for 2 months and haven't touched it. I needed the short break I took, and honestly, I'm enjoying it. However, I'm dying to get back. That worries me. While I absolutely love the game, I want to do other things. I don't want to auto log in every night at 9:30, get 3 games in, and go to bed 4-6 days a week. It's fun, but at the same time, not. Now before anyone debates this, I can simply not play as much. And believe me, if I get completely countered here, I will do just that...knowing I'll play as much as I did before. Besides LoL being an absolute blast to play, I think about our ultimate objective, which is to be a competitive team. I think we have been, and would be again. That being said, none of us are getting any younger, and the rules keep changing. At some point, one has to accept that they'll never be at Worlds, so why play all the time? What more are we looking to accomplish besides have fun and do our best? TRUE! But I want other experiences too! And that's where I'm going with this... I know for a fact that a little variation is what more than just I desire. I want to also play other games. I want to not feel like I can't even get into Steam for fear of being pestered until I play LoL. And you must admit, that's where we were for quite some time. Currently, I own the following multiplayer games on Steam that I've never had a chance to play: The Ship Magicka Dungeon Defenders Awesomenauts Monaco Torchlight II (played some, but it IS multi capable) Multi games I want to try, but don't own: Planetary Annihilation Payday Payday 2 Multi games I'd like to revisit or never got a chance to really play: Total Annihilation Supreme Commander Left 4 Dead Left 4 Dead 2 BL2 So yeah, please understand that in no way am I sitting here saying let's end our multi gaming. I'm saying let's branch out and start playing some other games. Let's get more of our forum folks involved. I believe TPR plays Monaco. Awesomenauts is apparently a 3 on 3 game. (I own 3 copies for some reason.) Point is we've got a pool of gamers to draw upon right here, but they don't play LoL. I know there are games on that list I'm forgetting or not thinking of or that we don't know is out there or will be out there. LoL is awesome. Will be awesome. But is an incredible time sink. I will be FINE continuing to play it, and I will have a ball as I've done before. However, I'd rather get into some new games. Try new things. Make new memories. Get new people in the mix. Etc. LoL will always be there, but we're missing out on lots of cheap new gaming experiences that seem to hit Steam daily. Are we married to LoL for the long haul or can we start seeing other games? Thoughts? (BTW, the more I read this post, the more I recognize it as a cry for help to break my LoL addiction.) Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 18 2013,13:32
QUOTE Payday Payday 2 Left 4 Dead Left 4 Dead 2 BL2 I could pick these up fairly quickly as they're just point and shoot. Any type of strategy game requires a learning curve. Haven't tried Payday yet and still have some BL2 to finish (maybe the second season of DLC, too). Posted by GORDON on Dec. 18 2013,13:33
I have SupCom loaded and me and my son multi from time to time.We could do some research and see if Serious Sam 3 ever got their multi shit unfucked. Posted by Stranger on Dec. 18 2013,13:52
Torchlight2, Monaco, Magicka, Payday2, i'll play any of those. Others sound good too but i don't know much about them.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 18 2013,15:43
Just when we score 10k+ RP for skins and stuff, you want to quit. . . .The thing with LoL for me is that I know I haven't hit my full potential yet. I keep getting better, so it drives me to keep playing. No, I never planned on making a living off of it. Never even figured I'd be on a small tournament winning team. And I guess it's impossible to be on a team that just always wins because you will get matched with better and better teams. So, it's kind of a no win situation. There will always be teams that are better than us. My only problem with moving on to another game is. . . I don't think we will. There have been multi games out since TA. How many did we play? Diablo 2 anyone?!? Baulder's Gate. Only two of us played UO. SupCom. SupCom 2. etc, etc, etc. Borderlands 2 was the first game EVER that we finished as a group. Before UO, Leisher and I played Diablo. Got SOOOO close to the end and he bailed on me for UO. Had to finish it by myself. LoL was the first game we all liked to play, and DID play together. I'm open for other stuff by all means. But I think if we stop playing LoL, we will stop multi'ing games. Posted by Trooper on Dec. 18 2013,17:03
< Top Lane Gaming > is holding a League of Legends tournament. 3000 prize pot, looks pretty cool. 40 bucks gets your team registered, and the games are played on the 27th 28th and 29th of December.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 18 2013,19:09
QUOTE Just when we score 10k+ RP for skins and stuff, you want to quit. . . . Not what I said exactly, but yeah that RP was in my head. I still have 4K in my account. Understand that I love LoL. I really do. It's awesome. I'm just getting annoyed that I'm missing out on so much more. I don't want GTAV still sitting on my desk unplayed a year from now. Ditto for Skyrim. I'm going to spend at least $100 on games via Steam over the next week, and I'd like to actually try my purchases. I don't want to log on nightly and feel like I have to play a specific game. There were a lot of nights in LoL over the past year that I was relived when nobody could get on. I felt like I actually had control over my night. QUOTE The thing with LoL for me is that I know I haven't hit my full potential yet. I keep getting better, so it drives me to keep playing. No, I never planned on making a living off of it. Never even figured I'd be on a small tournament winning team. And I guess it's impossible to be on a team that just always wins because you will get matched with better and better teams. So, it's kind of a no win situation. There will always be teams that are better than us. As you know, I have been feeling "wasted" on our team for quite some time. So I get that. And again, this has NOTHING to do with LoL. This is not a negative statement against it. I'm just saying that while I love the game I can't keep playing it forever exclusively. I just can't do it. It's been three years! I'm not saying I won't want to play LoL again, but I want to play other games! So do other people! QUOTE My only problem with moving on to another game is. . . I don't think we will. There have been multi games out since TA. How many did we play? Diablo 2 anyone?!? Baulder's Gate. Only two of us played UO. SupCom. SupCom 2. etc, etc, etc. Borderlands 2 was the first game EVER that we finished as a group. Before UO, Leisher and I played Diablo. Got SOOOO close to the end and he bailed on me for UO. Had to finish it by myself. LoL was the first game we all liked to play, and DID play together. This is absolutely a fair concern. I agree with you, and I'm a bit worried about it too. However, it worked pretty fucking well for LoL. It worked well for BL2, "the only game we've ever finished". (BTW, three years straight of a game is finishing it, on top of finishing it, on top of finishing it...) We also played a ton of Duke Nukem. A ton of whatever versions of Red Alert we could. Total Annihilation. And yes, even UO. You can try and pretend that I didn't introduce you to the game, and I was around for a long time before you took over the guild, but that all happened. I loved UO, but it got tiring to play because of three things: 1. At the time I was working 13 out of every 14 days. That was for 2 and a half years. 2. It became "mandatory gaming" instead of fun gaming. What worries me is, for me, that's where LoL was heading. 3. I'm not as wrapped up in PvP as you are. I'm more so than before, but it's still not what defines a game for me as it does for you. And not for nothing, but several of us play a lot of offline games too. ![]() Point being, if we put the effort into it, we'll play. Also, the vast majority of the games on the list are non-story games. Thus, it's not appointment gaming. It's not mandatory for everyone to be there. We only have three for Payday? So what? Two people can play BL2 and have fun. Ditto for most of the games on the list. In fact, I envision our TS server has having multiple channels for different games, and folks can hop into the ones they're interested in instead of the whole thing being a single channel for a single game. QUOTE But I think if we stop playing LoL, we will stop multi'ing games. Really think about that statement, about the discussion currently going on, and the response it has received. Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 18 2013,20:30
We never even made it out of Bronze. No. We did not finish LoL.I remember you being in UO, but I don't remember playing with you. I can name, from day one, almost all of the adventures Gordon and I had. From "pushing the stick" at the mountain, to him turning grey and being attacked all the time, to Kronos and Za taking us under their wings and teaching us how to PVP. With you, I remember logging in, making it to the forge area, getting chased by a lich and you telling me to run into a small house where the lich trapped and killed me. I think I remember hitting some dungeons with you. But that's about it. Yes, you introduced us to the game. Introduced us to Eldar (Za, Kronos, et). Gave us a home, guild, in game friends. But I honestly don't remember playing with you! By the time we had enough skill to actually do stuff, you were pretty much done with the game. Agreed, we played a TON of game pre-UO as well. Most of them were due to you as well. You knew the games to play, and we played them. However, from UO forward, Gordon and I muti'ed game after game after game after game. For years. Decades? Getting there. . . We ALWAYS had games we were playing. I would venture to say that there hasn't been a time span >30 days, since 1996 that Gordon and I didn't mutli something. You were the offline gaming king. Undisputed reigning champion of the world. You could total up all the games that all of us have played, and we still wouldn't come close to the number of games you've played. I know that. That was the 10 year span where you were 99% MIA from gaming! You can look back through the history of the gaming threads here and there would be dozens and dozens of threads dedicated to one multi game or another, that never launched. We've tried this before. It fails. When left up to "When it happens, it happens", it doesn't happen. And yes, I saw multiple channels as well. TPR racing with his friends. Me TL2 with my family. Gordon masturbating to pron. You alone in your single player game room. :-) But ya, a 'hub' for multi gaming. If we don't play LoL, or schedule a storyline game commitment. . . our multi gaming dies here. That's my prediction. Again, I hope I'm proven wrong. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 18 2013,21:17
QUOTE 2. It became "mandatory gaming" instead of fun gaming. What worries me is, for me, that's where LoL was heading. That's what kills games for me. Which works directly at cross purposes with getting truly competitive in a team-based PvP environment. Even if every member is a natural savant at the game itself, the teamwork ends up being at least as important. Getting four to five grown-ass adults together with lives, wives, jobs, friends, families, kids, whatever, for long stretches of time with regular frequency is not a trivial thing. The more people you go up against, the more time you have to drop. Like I said, that's assuming you've mastered the rules of the game. BL2 worked because we weren't forced to practice to play the game, we just played. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 18 2013,21:17
QUOTE We never even made it out of Bronze. No. We did not finish LoL. I think winning Worlds would be finishing LoL, and I don't think that's going to happen. QUOTE I remember you being in UO, but I don't remember playing with you. I can name, from day one, almost all of the adventures Gordon and I had. From "pushing the stick" at the mountain, to him turning grey and being attacked all the time, to Kronos and Za taking us under their wings and teaching us how to PVP. With you, I remember logging in, making it to the forge area, getting chased by a lich and you telling me to run into a small house where the lich trapped and killed me. I think I remember hitting some dungeons with you. But that's about it. Yes, you introduced us to the game. Introduced us to Eldar (Za, Kronos, et). Gave us a home, guild, in game friends. But I honestly don't remember playing with you! By the time we had enough skill to actually do stuff, you were pretty much done with the game. Yeah, I had a big head start on you guys. I actually did more PvP stuff with the original crew and then you guys took over when my real life started interfering with my gaming time. I don't regret having offline stuff going on, obviously, but I do wish our time in game has meshed together more. QUOTE Agreed, we played a TON of game pre-UO as well. Most of them were due to you as well. You knew the games to play, and we played them. However, from UO forward, Gordon and I muti'ed game after game after game after game. For years. Decades? Getting there. . . We ALWAYS had games we were playing. I would venture to say that there hasn't been a time span >30 days, since 1996 that Gordon and I didn't mutli something. Again, in that time frame, I was doing the relationship thing, which pulled me away from having time for multi gaming. However, I'm where you guys were and have more time now. Plus, I'm more into PvP than I was then. QUOTE You were the offline gaming king. Undisputed reigning champion of the world. You could total up all the games that all of us have played, and we still wouldn't come close to the number of games you've played. I know that. That was the 10 year span where you were 99% MIA from gaming! True story. I'll never lose my love for being able to hop on and off at will. Pause games to watch something on TV. Skip gaming to spend time with the wife and kids. Etc. QUOTE If we don't play LoL, or schedule a storyline game commitment. . . our multi gaming dies here. That's my prediction. Again, I hope I'm proven wrong. But...I'm in a different place now. I'm on more of a schedule. We've got more folks around now. You, me, and Gordo were always the steady Eddies, but throw Stranger into that now too. Yeah, he's not on nightly, but he's there enough, and is much better than Lou Bruce. Malcolm, Catt, and TPR are already playing the types of games I've listed out. Troy is still gaming. Trooper is obviously available. Rifle would probably be up for playing some different stuff. Hell, even Gordo's kid will eventually be an option. Don't look at this in a negative, "well if we quit LoL, that's it" sort of way. Look at it like, "Ok, the group's interest in LoL seems to be dying, but here 's a lot of interest in keeping our multi going in new games." I can't speak for Gordo, but I know Stranger and I discussed it a bit today, and we're both very geeked about trying some new stuff out. I really want to try out some of these smaller games like Monaco and Awesomenauts. I've always been wanting to get a group into L4D just to do the acheivements. Payday gets good reviews, and seems to be cops and robbers for PC gamers. And despite me getting my ass kicked by you guys in TA multi, I look forward to that again. I miss those epic, several hours long games. So stop being negative Nancy, and let's see about a TS server, and get going. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 18 2013,21:18
QUOTE Getting four to five grown-ass adults together with lives, wives, jobs, friends, families, kids, whatever, for long stretches of time with regular frequency is not a trivial thing. The more people you go up against, the more time you have to drop. Like I said, that's assuming you've mastered the rules of the game. BL2 worked because we weren't forced to practice to play the game, we just played. Word. Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 19 2013,06:39
Indeed.I'm certainly interested. If it's ever been 75% or more off on Steam (and isn't a realistic shooter, those make me motion sick) I probably own it so count me in. L4D2 versus can be a very good choice for eight players, the rest of the games mentioned I have no real comment on, but most of them I'd join you in at least to try it. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2013,10:18
QUOTE L4D2 versus can be a very good choice for eight players... Most fun I ever had doing competitive FPS was Halo 2 with seven other folk in the same house. Four upstairs in one room, four downstairs in another. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 07 2014,09:48
Goddam, finally broke my 6 game ARAM losing streak, as Poppy. Didn't get my "first win of the day" bonus at all, yesterday. Game 3 in that streak I thought I was in good shape as Janna, and we were crushing them and I had a very positive score, then I lost connection when we still had 3 turrets and a nexus left. When I restarted the game I got there just in time to watch our nexus blow up.I guess I was the only one who dropped. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 07 2014,16:35
I remember when you wouldn't play with strangers and thought ARAM was stupid.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 07 2014,18:02
I remember when you were shut up.
Posted by Stranger on Jan. 11 2014,23:15
Played an ARAM... got Ziggs... first Penta in 3 years!... 2-0 in 2014...Im OP!!
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 12 2014,07:11
(Stranger @ Jan. 12 2014,02:15) QUOTE Played an ARAM... got Ziggs... first Penta in 3 years!... 2-0 in 2014...Im OP!! Ha. My first and only penta ever was Teemo in ARAM. After that it was hard finishing the game with this huge, throbbing erection getting in the way. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 12 2014,08:54
(GORDON @ Jan. 12 2014,10:11) QUOTE (Stranger @ Jan. 12 2014,02:15) QUOTE Played an ARAM... got Ziggs... first Penta in 3 years!... 2-0 in 2014...Im OP!! Ha. My first and only penta ever was Teemo in ARAM. After that it was hard finishing the game with this huge, throbbing erection getting in the way. Next time don't invite Cake over while you game. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 12 2014,11:15
(TheCatt @ Jan. 12 2014,11:54) QUOTE (GORDON @ Jan. 12 2014,10:11) QUOTE (Stranger @ Jan. 12 2014,02:15) QUOTE Played an ARAM... got Ziggs... first Penta in 3 years!... 2-0 in 2014...Im OP!! Ha. My first and only penta ever was Teemo in ARAM. After that it was hard finishing the game with this huge, throbbing erection getting in the way. Next time don't invite Cake over while you game. ZING! Posted by GORDON on Jan. 18 2014,12:15
Just went clean in an ARAM as Caitlyn.![]() Posted by GORDON on Jan. 20 2014,20:24
All night just trying to get my "1st win of he day" bonus and all night I get teams with Yis that go 3/15 and Kha'Zixes who go 4/12.Had an Evelyn go 3/43 earlier. Claimed he wasn't feeding. ![]() I wish these guys were on the other team now and then. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 21 2014,14:14
Peeps seem to be missing the game, but seem hesitant to come back.What if we only made "LOL Night" one night a week for sure and then any other night peeps are on and they feel like it.... But this is the wrinkle I am most interested in... We don't have assigned roles. Every game we all switch every single game, in a pattern. Basically, Game 1 you play top. Game 2 mid. Game 3 jungle, game 4 ADC, game 5 support. Then game 6 you go back top. I got so sick of full time top when we were playing, I really wanted to do something different, but everyone had an assigned role. I think if we are forced to change every game it will make it fresh again, keep us out of the rut, AND we will play the game better overall as we learn each position. I have been playing a shitload of ARAM lately and it seems like my best games are when I am playing one of my non-traditional champions. I have gone clean with high kills and no deaths with Janna, Caitlin, Veigar, and Lux. Have gotten a penta with Teemo. I do really well when playing ranged ADC like Twitch and MF when I don't try to be fancy with them, and just play ADC. I generally do well with Moaki and Veigar. It is fun changing up every time. Just a thought. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 21 2014,14:32
Hey. Remember when you HATED aram and would get PISSED when it's name simply came up in conversation? If we wanted you to be done for the night, we just had to say "aram" and you'd log off instantly and we'd all laugh at you. Just kidding. That last part didn't happen. (or did it. . .)Point is, we told you that aram could be fun, and you eventually figured out that it can be. Now. A new word. . . Payday: The Heist. I'm ok with a LoL date night. Once our 100% dedication to the game dropped, my interest in the game dropped to 0%. As Leisher always said, LoL is only fun when you are competitive. And we can only be competitive with constant practice and game time. The other night was the first time I even logged into the game since we started playing other stuff. I see no reason to be in the game any more. But, I'll play if that's what's being played. The passion just isn't there any more. I'll run around the board casting spells with you guys though. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 21 2014,15:52
I feel like right now I am better at the game than I have ever been.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 21 2014,16:02
Helps that people here aren't playing to make fun of you.And... how could you be worse? Posted by GORDON on Jan. 21 2014,16:03
Your mom hasn't been coming around as much distracting me with mouth love as I play.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 21 2014,17:06
FINALLY broke my ARAM losing streak with Amumu, 6/5/27.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 21 2014,17:28
BTW, y'all seem to enjoy reminding me that I used to hate ARAM. Remember that night with Karma? I am now pretty good at doing her.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 21 2014,17:30
(GORDON @ Jan. 21 2014,20:28) QUOTE I am now pretty good at doing her. Awwwwwww yeah. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 21 2014,17:33
I use 4 fingers with her.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 26 2014,10:18
In an ARAM, up against a team hitting us with all AP. We have a Taric. When asked why he was building armor items against an AP team, he says, "Because I'm Taric."
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 30 2014,17:38
Just missed getting a pentakill as Fiora just now, by a wukong who had been a dick from the beginning who lunged in to steal the 5th kill. He gloated about it afterwards.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 14 2014,06:22
My last three games, all normals but still some of the best ones i've played in a long time.game 1: Hecarim jungle, 10-2-13.. VICTORY game 2: Ashe AD, 13-1-5.. VICTORY game 3: Hecarim jungle, 7-4-11.. VICTORY I totally suck at AD but somehow i pulled off the greatest AD game i've ever played last night. Still, not my preferred roll. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 20 2014,11:26
There seems to be a 6v6 summoners rift PVP available, today.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 05 2014,17:17
Getting pretty good with Viktor for some reason.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 07 2014,19:29
Finally saw a team with a Trynd win an ARAM. That's like 1 out of 25.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 08 2014,13:36
Which one of you assholes crashed the North American server in the middle of my game?
Posted by Stranger on Mar. 13 2014,08:43
The other night i logged in to play some League and saw that the "Teambuilder" game mode was up and running for a beta test on the live servers. I decided to try this and see how it was.I first decided that i wanted to play support because i have been playing jungle alot lately and wanted to get some support games in before i start playing some solo ranked cause its been a while. So you have the choice to host the game or join someone elses, i just joined someone elses. I then got to chose who i wanted to play, and what roll. Being support needless to say i got into a game in about 5 seconds. Here i could see what everyone else was playing and where they were at. Also you could chat with the team to set up strategies and whatnot. I immediatley saw someone had chosed to play Blitz in mid, i don't think we had an AD or Top yet but it was enough for me to see that i didn't want to be apart of that team. Good thing was i had the choice to leave the game before getting involved in some bullshit game. So i get back into que and find a much better team makeup this time, Garen top, Shyvana jungle, Nid mid, Jinx AD and Thresh support. This was cool with all and you can sit in the lobbie as long as you like until everyone confirms they are ready. Game goes off as normal and we win The cool thing about this is that everybody gets to play what they want. I've gotta believe this would cut down on trolls that get upset when they don't get who and what they want. This obviously doens't stop someone from trying something new and being really bad at it, but it lets you practice a roll you wanna learn. If i wanna get better at AD carry i can roll that all night long if i wish, pretty cool. This was only available until yesterday night i believe but i know its been on beta server a few times so its gotta be close to being live full time. As of now it can only be played in normals and not ranked cause there is no way to do a banning phase. I like it and hope to see it soon, because if we ever do play this game again and have the normal 4 of us we could set up our team the way we like and cut down on the Hitler factor. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 13 2014,09:31
I like the new system, I hope it goes live soon.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 13 2014,17:13
Just won an ARAM in 10:17, nobody afk.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 16 2014,19:01
Seems that often in ARAM, an early weak team is strong late game. Just played as Veigar. We managed to stay in the game long enough to farm and level and shop. We got pushed all the way back to our Nexus, our inhibitor was dead, and we hadn't killed any of their towers. Then we came back and won without losing another tower.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 24 2014,12:31
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Team builder is live. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 01 2014,07:30
U.R.F. mode is live.. I wasn't sure if this was an April Fools joke or what, but i guess its not. URF stands for Ultra Rapid Fire mode, basically all mana has been removed and cooldowns are something like 80%. You can just spam abilities like crazy. This sounds like a ton of fun and from what i've read on the forums the people are saying its the best game mode to come along. Riot says its the future of the game and it will become live next preseason, we'll see if that remains to be true. But this would really change the game if they are gonna go that direction with it. I guess its live to play for the next week. Checkout the video of it in this link. < http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014....ml#more > Posted by Stranger on Apr. 01 2014,09:43
This is for real.. i've just watched a stream and it was awesome. Alistar, continuous knockups and knockbacks Ezreal warping all over the place and shooting ult like every 10 seconds Lulu, can you say perma-squirrel. Hilarious. Nidalee, endless spears. Prolly not even fair It really looks like we've been playing the game in slow motion for the past few years. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 01 2014,09:45
URF is 100% a joke. Did you watch the video?"Given the number of Global bans that Kassadin receives, it was obvious that people didn't want him in the game. So, he's been deleted. He's no longer in the game. We also deleted Ryze." The Lulu rapid firing her squirrel spell was funny. She was 1v1ing someone and dominated. I'm not sure who she was fighting because they were a squirrel the whole time. Was watching an Ez running around near mid and while crossing from one side to the other, he hit no fewer than 8 Teemo mushrooms. But they nerfed him so he couldn't do that any more. Zillion's ult got nurfed cause he could res 3 champs. Looks like a crazy mode to play, but, it's 100% a joke. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 01 2014,09:48
not a joke..
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 01 2014,09:49
Yeah, it could be a lot of fun and may even increase casual play, but the hardcore base that is LoL would hate it enough to kill the competitive circuit. I call April Fools on this one. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 01 2014,09:51
as far as being the future of the game, yeah prolly just a joke. but being able to play it right now, not a joke. i am watching someone stream it right now.Can someone log on to see? Gordo? Posted by GORDON on Apr. 01 2014,09:53
(Stranger @ Apr. 01 2014,12:51) QUOTE Can someone log on to see? Gordo? Patching... Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 01 2014,09:54
(Stranger @ Apr. 01 2014,11:51) QUOTE as far as being the future of the game, yeah prolly just a joke. but being able to play it right now, not a joke. i am watching someone stream it right now. Oh, that I don't doubt at all. The best April Fools jokes have teeth, and putting the mode into the game would qualify. ![]() Bet it won't be around anymore by this time next week, though. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 01 2014,09:55
Yes. You can play this mode for the next week. NOT the future of the game or permanent.And Teemo muchrooms are limited to 20 at a time. Which as far as Teemo nurfs go, isn't too bad. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 01 2014,09:56
I don't have time to launch a game, but there it is in the pvp options.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 01 2014,09:56
What would a good team comp be? I'm guessing two with aoe stun and the rest with aoe damage?I'm going to laugh when Leisher plays this mode and become hooked on the game again. No WAY he doesn't try 20 mushroom Teemo. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 01 2014,09:57
I would take Janna and turn it into Tornado Alley. I bet you could get 3 at once, all day long.
Posted by Stranger on Apr. 01 2014,09:57
< http://www.twitch.tv/wingsofdeath#/wingsofdeath >This guy is streaming it. looks like hella fun, prolly gonna play some of this tonight to check it out. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 01 2014,10:02
(Cakedaddy @ Apr. 01 2014,12:56) QUOTE What would a good team comp be? I'm guessing two with aoe stun and the rest with aoe damage? I'm going to laugh when Leisher plays this mode and become hooked on the game again. No WAY he doesn't try 20 mushroom Teemo. i don't know.. i think it anything goes. I just watched this guy streaming play an Urgot and Ezreal Jungle and do pretty damn well. Supports are now on par with everyone else, its kind of a big equalizer if you ask me. Posted by Stranger on Apr. 01 2014,10:12
(Cakedaddy @ Apr. 01 2014,12:56) QUOTE I'm going to laugh when Leisher plays this mode and become hooked on the game again. No WAY he doesn't try 20 mushroom Teemo. It would be like giving a crackhead, heroin... As he has said before. LOL Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 01 2014,10:28
QUOTE It would be like giving a crackhead, heroin... As he has said before. LOL Remember that scene from Pulp Fiction where Uma Thurman thinks Travolta's smack is blow? Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 01 2014,11:42
I think I might have to reinstall to play this mode. I play Jax, and imagining what I could do with no mana constraints is ... man.
Posted by Stranger on Apr. 01 2014,12:10
Brand has a perma-stun.. Just spam QQQQQQQ. a 2 second stun on a 1 1/2 second cooldown.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 01 2014,13:29
Just played a game as Ziggs. Intense. VERY high kill game. 60+ each team. If I don't lose track of what I'm doing and land shots, I can 1v1 people I could NEVER 1v1 before due to my high burst damage. Hmmm. I wonder what Viegar would be like.I would have multiple mine fields out covering a large area. Ult every 20 seconds. My qwe spells would cool down faster than I could spam them. I took Revive and Teleport. Didn't spend much time dead and was all over the board. They would both be up more often than not when I died. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 01 2014,13:47
I've just come to terms that you guys aren't coming back. I don't want you back. Stay out of my game.Stranger is exempted from that. He and I have played somewhat recently. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 01 2014,13:56
I had planned to never go back, but since you're now telling me to stay away. Well, it's back to LoL for me! Full time too. I'll be on tonight. Am I the only one who notices that Riot puts a LOT of work into gimmick modes like this one, yet does nothing to evolve the actual game. You know, the one their professional league plays? It's like these are nothing more than shiny objects to keep people playing, and spending money on new champs/skins. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 01 2014,15:13
I will not be on tonight. Honoring Gordon's wishes. Plus, I have plans.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 02 2014,07:12
QUOTE Well, it's back to LoL for me! Full time too. I'll be on tonight. April Fool's. I wish I could give away my skins and RP. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 02 2014,10:00
Did you guys play last night? How was 20 mushroom Teemo? Had one in a game last night and he was a non issue. I don't think I hit any more mushrooms in that game than a normal one. Although, his toxic shock was wrecking Ziggs. He had a good build, but his mushrooms did nothing.Spectated a Nidalee game. Lots of spears, but could still be shut down if you got close to her. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 02 2014,10:02
(Leisher @ Apr. 02 2014,10:12) QUOTE QUOTE Well, it's back to LoL for me! Full time too. I'll be on tonight. April Fool's. I wish I could give away my skins and RP. Is there an ebay market for lol accounts? Posted by Stranger on Apr. 02 2014,10:12
No, i didnt' get online last night but i will be on early tonight and be on for a while. I'll be down to play either LOL or Mechwarrior depends on what everyone else wants to do (if anyone is on at all that is). I'd like to play at least a game or two of LOL just to check out the new URF mode.As far as giving away RP.. I think they still have the random skin gifts you can gifts us, ill be more than happy to take some! O Posted by GORDON on Apr. 02 2014,10:44
You guys should play LOL tonight. I think I will be busy watching my new Dredd bluray.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 02 2014,11:52
QUOTE Is there an ebay market for lol accounts? I just looked, and sadly, there are LoL accounts on ebay. Saw a Platinum for $250. Nobody had bid on it yet. Buying an account for the level (Gold/Platinum) is pathetic, however I could see buying one for the champs/skins if you're getting a good enough price. Think of the money and time it'd save you. Then you'd just need to change the name, and delete all the friends in the list. QUOTE I'll be down to play either LOL or Mechwarrior depends on what everyone else wants to do If I get on, it won't be until after 10. Ditto for tomorrow. I will not be playing LoL. QUOTE As far as giving away RP.. I think they still have the random skin gifts you can gifts us, ill be more than happy to take some! If I give them away it'll be to Rifle or someone else on my friends list that isn't also a MW:O player. I don't want to give you a reason to keep playing LoL. ![]() Posted by GORDON on Apr. 02 2014,16:40
QUOTE With the introduction of Ultra Rapid Fire mode and our ultra rapid game pacing, the summoner spell Revive was (ironically) killing other summoner spells as the best ultra rapid fire choice of all. Ultimately, for the good of League of Legends and its ultra rapid fire future, we've decided that disabling Revive was the best decision to accelerate your end game fantasies.
We've also disabled Revive on regular queues of Summoner's Rift as we set the stage for the future of League of Legends. We apologize for the inconvenience!p Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 02 2014,16:43
The story last night was that the URF mode burned through all the revives and they ran out.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 02 2014,17:15
That's what the client alert says. Clicking on it to the webpage, you get the above.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 02 2014,19:10
Ahh. Ya. I did not click it.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 05 2014,01:52
I decided to play a few normal games. Normal draft. I'm 5 for 5 since returning to the game. Getting owned early game/laning. Coming back strong mid/late game. Better described as, when I'm not laning. For some reason, I keep ending up top. The one support game I played was using the new mode where you pick who and where you play. Is top the new support? Meaning, the position no one wants to play. My first normal game, I went 8/0/14 as MauKai. Since then, my games have not been real strong. But, I'm doing well in team fights with my stuns and cookies and helping turn the game around for us each time. Except for the first game where we dominated, all my other games have been come backs from deficits. Especially the last game. We were down 11 to 19 kills. They had an inhib down and we hadn't gotten any of their second turrets. The surrender vote went up and three picked to surrender. I said "Instead of surrendering, we should start grouping up". The surrender vote failed and we played on. We didn't group up though either. Continued doing poorly, but weren't losing hard core any more. Mainly because we were pinned in our base and couldn't split up that much. It took a few plays for our carry MF to stick with the group, but once she did, we steamrolled. We had a strong fight in our base 3v4 that we won. Our carry and one other were split pushing bottom lane. They killed the one enemy playing defense and pushed all the way through the bottom inhib. They died when the enemy team spawned. Meanwhile, our jungle Sej took down the second mid turret. From then on, we played as a solid group. Everyone fought in the cookies. We had good target prioritization. Didn't over chase targets. The enemy never presented a solid threat from then on. We pushed their mid inhib down and then fell back and took baron. The game ended before baron wore off.5 for 5. I'm thinking about going pro. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 05 2014,17:48
So I stopped playing SR because I didn't like all the top/bottom/mid drama, and god help you if you have an off game. But I want to try URF, so I load up a game. Everybody calls their lanes, I waited for last so everybody else gets what they want first, and I end up with support. That's fine. I like playing Janna. So I lock in with her, and then all of a sudden the guy who called bot starts crying that he wants to lane with the person who called top because they are premade, that person didn't mean to call top, etc etc. But I am already locked in. And the drama and being angry starts.Fuck. I quit playing that mode solo because people do that sometimes, and my first time back in like half a year, it is the first thing I hit. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 10 2014,07:37
Ugh. Played about 5 ARAMs last night. When I got a champ I could play well, someone always dodged. It was a night of tanks, for me. And even though I personally always had a winning game, lost every god damned one. Grrrr.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 16 2014,18:49
Just got fucking OWNED in an ARAM by a team that had skins we'd never heard of... "Vancouver Amumu" is one I can remember. Their Katerina got a penta kill at 4:30. They won the game in about 12 minutes.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 25 2014,16:25
" /all - Report MF for feeding" (was just running to enemy nexus over and over, never fired a shot)MF - "I am only feeding because I am tired of all the trolls in this game and I decided why not join them." Also, MF's player name was, "Dota2Superior." MF ended the game 0/19/8. When we were ABOUT TO WIN ANYWAY, she fired off her ult a couple times because we were acing the other team over and over. Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 25 2014,21:06
I was going to say "Too bad they aren't as mature as the MWO players who just launch games and immediately disconnect trying to farm wins for free mechs." But then I thought "Hey, I have a good number of mechs now. I could probably farm gold by doing that. I just rapid fire games and then disconnect, repeat with other mechs." So, I guess I should join them. :-)
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 26 2014,09:55
(Cakedaddy @ Apr. 26 2014,00:06) QUOTE I was going to say "Too bad they aren't as mature as the MWO players who just launch games and immediately disconnect trying to farm wins for free mechs." But then I thought "Hey, I have a good number of mechs now. I could probably farm gold by doing that. I just rapid fire games and then disconnect, repeat with other mechs." So, I guess I should join them. :-) Get better bait. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 28 2014,16:25
Wow.... Brand is easy.
Posted by GORDON on May 11 2014,20:27
I think everyone should play about 400 games of ARAM like I have in the last half year and then we could reform as a team and be comfortable with any role.
Posted by GORDON on May 12 2014,19:24
"Whistler Village Twitch." What the hell.
Posted by Stranger on May 15 2014,08:03
You like League of Legends? You like Fantasy Football? Well here you go, Fantasy LOL!!!< http://fantasy.lolesports.com/ > I must admit, i watch way more LOL than i play these days. I also prolly know more than i should about these guys. Posted by GORDON on May 15 2014,08:05
I am still playing 1-3 games nearly every night, getting my 1st win of the day bonus.I have 70 champs now. Posted by Stranger on May 15 2014,08:10
I actually played a game of ARAM last night.. Got Sion, BLAH! played horribly and made me not want to play another game..I do get the itch to play more but ARAM's don't do it for me. And the new champ, Braum looks really fun to play, and he's a support! Posted by GORDON on May 15 2014,08:15
I would love to get back on Summoner's Rift, but I don't want to do it solo. I would do Duo or greater, but not solo.
Posted by Leisher on May 15 2014,08:19
QUOTE You like League of Legends? You like Fantasy Football? Well here you go, Fantasy LOL!!! That's both really cool and really stupid. QUOTE I am still playing 1-3 games nearly every night Technically, you're playing a game mode that is similar to LoL. ![]() I get doing that though. I play several games of MW:O nightly to get first win of the day bonuses. Posted by Stranger on May 15 2014,08:23
Would it be weird if i said i kinda wanna play fantasty LOL???you can create 4,6 or 8 player leagues... Posted by Leisher on May 15 2014,10:18
I wouldn't call it weird. To each his own, if that's what excites you, do it.There are fantasy baseball, football, hockey, basketball, etc. leagues, so why not a fantasy LoL league? Posted by GORDON on May 24 2014,20:01
Saturday night.... bunch of unstable people are on, as usual. You go through about 6 queues before someone DOESN'T dodge because they are mad.... but when I finally got in a game as Kayle our Tristiana was mad because another player would not trade him Nidalee. Tristiana decided to feed and was vocal about it in allchat. Opposing team was sympathetic to our plight so their Vayne decided to feed to us to even things up. Our Trist was such a douche that after their first turret fell they just stayed in spawn and let us win so we could all report Trist as soon as possible.Best display of sportsmanship I have ever seen in this game. Posted by GORDON on May 29 2014,17:03
Remember "All for One" where the entire team has the same champ? Now there's "All for One: Mirror Mode." All 10 champs on the field are the same.
Posted by GORDON on May 29 2014,20:01
All Brauns (new tank): dullAll Sorakas (I played her AD, only one to do that on either team): was getting fun near the end once I had the PD and IE. I had the fewest deaths, the most assists, the second highest number of kills, and the only positive K:D ratio. So far peeps are picking tanks and supports. The first vote we had 4 Brands, 3 Brauns, and then random characters... Brauns won the vote. Makes sense. Posted by GORDON on May 29 2014,20:48
10 Teemos on an ARAM map. 30 mushrooms in play most of the time. I led the kills, 2nd to fewest deaths, and middling in assists. We had one go go AD, and most of the rest of us went AD/AP hybrid. 4 of us had the Hextech Gunblade, none of the other team did. We beat them at about a 2:1 ratio. Interesting.
Posted by Stranger on May 30 2014,09:29
Is All for One only available on the ARAM map? I really liked that the last time they had it you could play on Summoner's Rift, it gave you the chance to run jungle setups, or AD, or tanky. Yeah, you can still do that on ARAM but you get the lane phase and ganking before the team fights. I found that alot more fun.
Posted by GORDON on May 30 2014,09:51
ARAM only, I believe.Every game peeps were voting in tanks or supports. If there isn't a majority, a random pick is made. That last game had a vote for 4 Braums and 3 Sonas, but there wasn't a majority, so my solo selection of Teemo was the pick, heh. Posted by Stranger on May 30 2014,09:56
Thats great, i love that any pick can be taken. I've got a good weekend for gaming for once so i'll be on tonight. Ill be playing some MW:O and LOL. If you're on we can duo
Posted by GORDON on May 30 2014,09:58
Word.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 09 2014,19:53
Both Stranger and Scooty in game at the same time... most I've seen online in a coon's age.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 20 2014,18:28
RIOT actually pays you to quit the company within 60 days if you don't feel like it is a good place to work.< http://www.pcgamer.com/2014....program > Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 23 2014,07:07
What price dedication and loyalty? Seems like a good idea to me. Pretty smart. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 24 2014,09:23
For those of you that still play it, Summoner's Rift is getting a looooooooooooooooooong overdue face lift. However, note that it's still months away. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 03 2014,06:36
< Riot shuts down LoL public chat rooms because they're such a mess. >
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 05 2014,08:09
For another 12 hours you can get this tshirt.< http://www.teefury.com/?&c3ch=email&c3nid=Mailchimp > Posted by GORDON on Jul. 05 2014,17:28
3rd time I saw a game with a tryndamir win... but their team had Twitch, Fiddle, and Brand.... 3 of the hardest hitters on ARAM. So they made up for trynd.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 05 2014,17:28
(GORDON @ Jul. 05 2014,11:09) QUOTE For another 12 hours you can get this tshirt. < http://www.teefury.com/?&c3ch=email&c3nid=Mailchimp > 3 hours left Posted by Stranger on Jul. 07 2014,08:36
Played quite a few different games this weekend just to see if anything stirred my interest again. MW:O: Desperatly needs community warfare, until then i've gotten bored with the game. Planetside 2: saw an article on PC gamer that said this game has come along way so i decided to try it again. This game actually has community warfare with a huge map and 3 different warring factions. Was fun, but i was getting my ass handed to me so it kinda supressed the fun. Hard game Torchlight 2: Fun game, i had a good time playing this in short stints. Very underrated game Borderlands 2: i need to play co-op to enjoy this game anymore LOL: funny how after 3 years i still enjoyed this game the most. What is this Sins of a Solar Empire game? looks like a RTS, not sure if i wanna get into another RTS game. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 07 2014,08:59
That post should probably be in the < Multiplayer discussion >.
Posted by Stranger on Jul. 07 2014,09:02
yeah, was gonna be a longer post about LOL, but i got caught up in work and just posted what i had done
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 09 2014,18:07
This is a new thing, at the end of a game you can hit "Share" and it gives you a webpage showing how awesome you are.< http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en....9342685 > Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 12 2014,21:13
Riot gagged me.I can't have a little status message any more. Mine used to say "RIOT get no more $ from me" or something like that. That message is gone, along with the field where it would be entered. Or, maybe the moved it. But, so far, it looks like they gagged me. Posted by Stranger on Jul. 14 2014,05:25
This might be due to the fact that Riot is changing the public chat rooms or any public messages i'm assuming.I was on Saturday night and didn't notice any changes to those status messages, but none of my friends were on ![]() Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 14 2014,06:39
I see other people's status messages. Mine is gone. Or, it's moved from where it used to be.
Posted by Stranger on Jul. 14 2014,06:41
oh really? well then i'd have to think you've been gagged.
Posted by Stranger on Jul. 16 2014,07:51
Jungle timers have been added to the game!•Jungle timers currently track the next spawn time of: enemy / team Elder Lizard, enemy / team Ancient Golem, Dragon, and Baron •Timers will only start tracking a camp if you or a teammate directly witness a monster camp being fully cleared (similar to minimap icons) •If you manage to snipe Baron or Dragon without vision, the timer will set itself off •You can access jungle timers by pressing TAB (default key) through the scoreboard. They'll be at the top of the screen. •We've also updated monster minimap icons! Check them out! Pretty cool new feature to Summoners Rift, you get a timer to see when jungle monsters/dragon/Baron respawn but only if you saw that monster die. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 16 2014,08:10
I had a bad night last night. Lots of losses (for my team, not me personally), and had a couple of the worst trolls ever. In that game I was a squishy Cass and we had a Rammus on our team, and one time I grabbed the health icon a second before him. I was at 20% health, he was at 80% health. He starts going off on me. And the other team had a zilean... Rammus starts rushing them, getting Zilean's bomb over his head, and he would Q to get me me as fast as he could so he could blow up on me. Killed me twice that way. When I called him on it his duo buddy Amumu started in how they were reporting me for negative attitude. And that they were going to rape me.But even the other team was calling him on his bullshit, so it is fine. But it was the only game I ever just gave up and sat in spawn at minute 15 because it just wasn't fun. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 17 2014,17:18
Doom bots!! They have a new, temp, version of bot games. I just played level one, of three. They play like normal bots, but all of their abilities are super charged. As in, they do multiples. As in, when Viegar drops the dark matter, instead of one pillar/explosion, there are three. Ez can be at his base and when he launches his ult down the middle, two others shoot down the other two lanes. Zyra was dropping 3 plants at a time. So, any projectiles were tripled and some times quadrupled. Made starting VERY hard because they are super OP. But once you get items, armor, resist, they become much more manageable. By mid game, we were doing pretty well. By level 16, we were acing them easily. But, that was level one. You can't play level two until you unlock it. I unlocked it after winning one game. Not sure if you have to win. Level three, is actually level 5. That is still locked for me. Have to do level two still.Interesting spin. I was expecting bots with fast cool downs, lots of mana and health, etc. But when I saw the abilities were all jacked up, it made it more interesting. However, seems like a LOT of work for something that's only going to be around for 10 days or so. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 17 2014,18:32
Just did one.1. Was very strange being on SR again. Has been a very long time for me. 2. We were up against a Blitz, Veigar, Morgana, and Malhazar. AP monsters, and when 2 or more were together their spells just melted you no matter how much armor and resist you had. My team wasn't very good playing bot strategy.... they would not backdoor when i told them to in order to take out their inhibitors and keep them from rushing our base.... they were always reacting instead of being proactive... so we ended up losing. I reported the entire enemy team for using hacks. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 17 2014,19:41
Launched another and got a message, "The queue is huge. We'll get you when we get you." I gave up at minute 6.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 17 2014,20:00
(GORDON @ Jul. 17 2014,21:41) QUOTE Launched another and got a message, "The queue is huge. We'll get you when we get you." I gave up at minute 6. Your mom had the same message up. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 17 2014,20:08
I feel a new custom title coming on.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 17 2014,21:55
Played level 2. Enemy champs start picking up abilities from other champs. Veigar went to an egg on death. Zyra would split in two like Leblanc. Morgana had victor's lasers. Etc. Didn't see them all.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 18 2014,11:01
We have to try level 3 tonight. Maybe there will be a prize.
Posted by Stranger on Jul. 18 2014,12:31
I've got the day off work and tried a level 1 and lost. Then I played a level 2 and figured we'd be crushed, but somehow won. Very fun and tough game mode, I'll be on to play all night.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 18 2014,12:44
You have to play against the AI logic..... which I have done a shitload of. The AI are better than they were a year ago when I was playing them exclusively, and they are obviously cheating mother fuckers now, but they can still be tricked because it is still a computer program running them. Last night in the Level 2 game with Cake, I personally, solo, destroyed 4 turrets and 2 inhibitors while the rest of my team had the AI team tied up elsewhere. I don't want to say I won the game, but I won the game.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 18 2014,17:49
Except that I took out the entire top lane while you pushed with the team in the middle, but all you. Berzerker.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 18 2014,17:52
(Cakedaddy @ Jul. 18 2014,20:49) QUOTE Except that I took out the entire top lane while you pushed with the team in the middle, but all you. Berzerker. I took out two entire lanes alone. I commented to you how nice it was to actually have backup at one point. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 18 2014,17:54
The Twitch shop appears to be broken in ARAM. Zero items in the "recommended" shop page.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 19 2014,23:21
On lolnexus.com, when you look at your game, it gives you a link to click to join your team in curse voice. Never did it thought. The game I just played, two people had channels setup and were telling people to connect. So I dl'ed it real quick and joined. WOW. What a difference voice makes in a game! 3 of us were in it. The other team's players were WAY better than us. Owning us early to mid game. But once team fights started, targets were called, attacks were planned, etc. We ended up winning. Now, it wasn't 'all us baby', because our carry, who was not in the channel, did really well. But, the three of us were able to peel, time our CC, etc. Made a huge difference. There was no client setup, and when I launched it, it automatically connected me to their channel. It builds a temp channel and sends you to it based on your game ID and stuff. It was pretty cool.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2014,06:19
I can't believe it isn't 50% people playing their shitty music over the channel.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 20 2014,12:39
I didn't do real well that game either. Had twice as many deaths as kills. However, I had solid initiates. My death would often result in 2+ kills on my team. But there were times where I would just get owned and die. Bottom line, I wasn't playing very well. Then there was GP, who also wasn't playing very well. And they were vocally trashing him and in game talking about him. He was doing really dumb stuff. But not THAT much dumber than me. So, being in the 'voice club' afforded me some protection, it seems. It's probably the fact that trashing someone over the Internet is easy. But doing it via voice is probably a little harder.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 22 2014,07:28
These would be more fun if they'd go with actual counters or even stuck to their own lore. For example, where was Kha'Zix in this video? And not having Teemo show up to defeat Darius is criminal. Posted by Stranger on Jul. 22 2014,08:08
Riot is taking a firm stance on banning toxic players. I'd be careful calling anyone a "homo" or "fag" anymore, that might get you an instant 14 day ban. Pretty good to see they are being proactive, how much it helps will remain to be seen but its a step in the right direction. Here is the post i saw it in: Today is the start of tests where we'll be using a new machine learning approach + Player Support manual reviews to target extreme cases of toxicity (such as intentional feeding, racism, death threats, homophobia, etc) and handing out pretty severe penalties such as 14-day or permanent bans. Players that get permanent bans will see a ban code of 2500 during these tests. We'll be testing 1 server at a time in small doses to monitor the effectiveness of the system carefully and minimize false positives. All Riot regions will get the same test at some point in the future. Depending on the results of the tests, we'll be rolling this system out more permanently on all servers. In the past, we've avoided publicly naming and shaming players; however, we've learned in recent months that being transparent is extremely critical to the playerbase's trust in our systems, so we've decided to do a compromise. If players complain about unfair bans for this particular system (so, have a ban year code of 2500), we're going to be fully transparent and posting the chat logs that resulted in the ban. Some players have also asked why we've taken such an aggressive stance when we've been focused on reform; well, the key here is that for most players, reform approaches are quite effective. But, for a number of players, reform attempts have been very unsuccessful which forces us to remove some of these players from League entirely. In addition, we'll be talking about this effort in more detail and about another system that will be addressing Leavers/AFKs very severely in the future. We'll do these in the usual channels like the League forums. I just wanted to mention this briefly on Twitter today in case some players were confused why they see some players getting banned until 2500 year codes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by GORDON on Jul. 22 2014,09:21
I have never called anyone a fag or a homo in the game. I'm good, ban away.
Posted by Stranger on Jul. 22 2014,09:31
(GORDON @ Jul. 22 2014,12:21) QUOTE I have never called anyone a fag or a homo in the game. I'm good, ban away. No, but now you tell everyone that you love them after everygame. Eventhough i know for a fact that you actually hate everyone. You're such a troll. lol Posted by GORDON on Jul. 22 2014,11:23
(Stranger @ Jul. 22 2014,12:31) QUOTE (GORDON @ Jul. 22 2014,12:21) QUOTE I have never called anyone a fag or a homo in the game. I'm good, ban away. No, but now you tell everyone that you love them after everygame. Eventhough i know for a fact that you actually hate everyone. You're such a troll. lol Actually, I am honestly trying to counteract all the negativity. People should be nicer to each other. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 22 2014,12:19
(GORDON @ Jul. 22 2014,14:23) QUOTE (Stranger @ Jul. 22 2014,12:31) QUOTE (GORDON @ Jul. 22 2014,12:21) QUOTE I have never called anyone a fag or a homo in the game. I'm good, ban away. No, but now you tell everyone that you love them after everygame. Eventhough i know for a fact that you actually hate everyone. You're such a troll. lol Actually, I am honestly trying to counteract all the negativity. People should be nicer to each other. When you say things like this, all I hear is this: Posted by GORDON on Jul. 22 2014,17:15
(Leisher @ Jul. 22 2014,10:28) QUOTE These would be more fun if they'd go with actual counters or even stuck to their own lore. For example, where was Kha'Zix in this video? And not having Teemo show up to defeat Darius is criminal. I could watch Zyra do her thing in that vid, but I think I would quickly lose interest. Then about ten minutes later I would be interested again.... Posted by GORDON on Jul. 27 2014,18:04
Who wants to duo with me so I can get ranked.
Posted by Stranger on Jul. 28 2014,06:23
ill duo, i've only got 3 of my 10 placement games in so far so i'm down. I'll be on tonight.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 28 2014,06:32
Cake and I went 2 games last night. I am currently 1:1. The game we lost our 5th was only connected about 50% of the time, and when he was he complained of a 6400 ping. Reported that dick.I was a decent mid-Morgana in the game we lost, and a pretty good support Janna in the one we won. As Morgana I was up against a pretty good Orianna. He had amazing timing on the Flashes to avoid entanglement. But our ADC is the one who kept dropping so it didn't matter. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 28 2014,08:49
I was Vi the first game. Didn't do well, but I blame our Darius. He kept going into fights too soon (alone) and the rest of us would try to clean up/recover from what he'd start. It never worked out well. He did a TON of bitching about our dial up carry, but would repeatedly do dumb things. And then I would, because I'm bad at following people into dumb situations thinking they know something I don't and I don't want to leave them hanging. Just bad judgement on my part. But, he started it.Second game I was a 15/8/something mid Ziggs. Whole team was there. Everyone did what they were supposed to. Our carry wasn't that good (MF with a negative k/d ratio), but Gordon was good support, our top, Olaf knew what he was doing. Our jungler was a dick though. Not that good. Would never share his blue. In fact, if I was in the area, he would smite it so I couldn't get it. During roaming, and we are in the enemy jungle, he would smite it so I couldn't get it. Normally, he'd die with it and then I'd kill the person who killed him. So, I still ended up with it, but, he was a dick. Did a TON of jungling near team fights, but would ignore them. Just kept clearing the jungle. But, he was Udyr, so he could tank a bunch when he did decide to fight allowing us to score kills. But he was one of the worst junglers I've seen in a while. Capable of more. Just a dick. But we won, so fuck him. Posted by Stranger on Jul. 29 2014,06:05
a few things from last night..-Ban Yasuo! -Cakedaddy could use a few lessons on Leona -AD is still by far my worst position -Gordo likes to "blow" 'em under the turret And a little birdie told me last night that they talked to Leisher over the weekends and they said he might come back to LOL... i told this birdie he was full of shit, cause i ain't buyin' it. Posted by RifleScout on Jul. 29 2014,14:44
(Stranger @ Jul. 29 2014,06:05) QUOTE a few things from last night.. -Ban Yasuo! -Cakedaddy could use a few lessons on Leona -AD is still by far my worst position -Gordo likes to "blow" 'em under the turret And a little birdie told me last night that they talked to Leisher over the weekends and they said he might come back to LOL... i told this birdie he was full of shit, cause i ain't buyin' it. that little birdie is back too you know lol. talking shit over here eh randy?? Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 29 2014,16:45
I was an AWESOME leona. Stupid brozne queue.My problem was that gordon is by far the most passive adc I've ever seen. I did not adjust well enough to that. I really had no idea how to support him. Not blaming him. He should do his thing as adc. I just didn't know what to do. And Leisher treats lol like an old girlfriend that cheated on him. Wants nothing to do with her. But it would be cool if he figured out a way to still be friends with her. Lastly. Stranger does not equal Randy. Fyi. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 29 2014,17:55
That game when you were my support... was that the game with a support Blitz and they kept us completely back on our heels and it was all I could do to even stay near the minions and try to last hit them?Because the game before you joined, Ranked in duo queue with Stranger, I went 7/1/whatever with MF and we kicked ass in our lane. Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 29 2014,18:38
They had a Maokai.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 29 2014,19:22
(Cakedaddy @ Jul. 29 2014,21:38) QUOTE They had a Maokai. .... I was Twitch and they had MF and Moaki? Posted by GORDON on Jul. 29 2014,20:26
Just had an ARAM. Our team scored 78 kills. My Janna went 6/10/55. 55 assists may be a personal record.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 30 2014,08:17
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posted by GORDON on Jul. 30 2014,17:33
Big patch today.
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 30 2014,17:56
MOBA shit.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 30 2014,17:58
Big Rock, Paper, Scissors patch today.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2014,19:00
(TheCatt @ Jul. 30 2014,19:56) QUOTE MOBA shit. I'm starting to like RPS more. Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 31 2014,03:41
(GORDON @ Jul. 30 2014,20:58) QUOTE Big Rock, Paper, Scissors patch today. lol Posted by GORDON on Jul. 31 2014,07:34
(TheCatt @ Jul. 31 2014,06:41) QUOTE (GORDON @ Jul. 30 2014,20:58) QUOTE Big Rock, Paper, Scissors patch today. lol There is a mode of the game called "draft pick" where each team pics champs 1-2 at a time, each able to counter the other team's champs. I want to see you build your spreadsheet that shows which champ perfectly defeats the other so you can win more than 60% of your games right at draft time. You, personally. I want to see you go Platinum just by using that big ol' brain of yours better than everyone else. Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 31 2014,07:50
Platinum V, bitch.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 31 2014,07:54
Liar.
Posted by Stranger on Jul. 31 2014,07:55
(TheCatt @ Jul. 31 2014,10:50) QUOTE Platinum V, bitch. then you should definetly join us. we need to be carried. Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 31 2014,08:33
(GORDON @ Jul. 31 2014,10:34) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Jul. 31 2014,06:41) QUOTE (GORDON @ Jul. 30 2014,20:58) QUOTE Big Rock, Paper, Scissors patch today. lol There is a mode of the game called "draft pick" where each team pics champs 1-2 at a time, each able to counter the other team's champs. I want to see you build your spreadsheet that shows which champ perfectly defeats the other so you can win more than 60% of your games right at draft time. You, personally. I want to see you go Platinum just by using that big ol' brain of yours better than everyone else. Achievement unlocked: Get Gordon's Goat. It's just not my type of game. I'm not an action game person, that's all. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 31 2014,09:33
QUOTE I want to see you build your spreadsheet that shows which champ perfectly defeats the other so you can win more than 60% of your games right at draft time. You, personally. I want to see you go Platinum just by using that big ol' brain of yours better than everyone else. Also heavily dependent upon the humans you have controlling them. Need to factor that in. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 31 2014,10:28
(TheCatt @ Jul. 31 2014,11:33) QUOTE Achievement unlocked: Get Gordon's Goat. Yeah, I had a feeling you'd figure that. I didn't know how to be any more casual while disagreeing with your simplistic assessment of the genre, though. Trust me, people talk about who-counters-who all the time, but depending on the player and the map the spreadsheet only matters a small part of the time. Less than half, I would venture to say. Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 31 2014,10:52
It is Rock Paper Scissors, though. Except that each champ can be played on one of a few ways, so sometimes a champ might be a Rock but someone else turns that same champ into Scissors. So it's really RPS to the 79 1/3rd power.
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 31 2014,11:43
(GORDON @ Jul. 31 2014,13:28) QUOTE Trust me, people talk about who-counters-who all the time, but depending on the player and the map the spreadsheet only matters a small part of the time. Less than half, I would venture to say. I admitted it was a "trumped up" version of RPS, there's the up trumping. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 31 2014,12:40
(TheCatt @ Jul. 31 2014,14:43) QUOTE (GORDON @ Jul. 31 2014,13:28) QUOTE Trust me, people talk about who-counters-who all the time, but depending on the player and the map the spreadsheet only matters a small part of the time. Less than half, I would venture to say. I admitted it was a "trumped up" version of RPS, there's the up trumping. Yeah but by that definition there is nothing in the universe that isn't a trumped up version of RPS. So I guess you're right. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 31 2014,13:23
QUOTE Yeah but by that definition there is nothing in the universe that isn't a trumped up version of RPS. You'd need a pure twitch game for that. Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 31 2014,13:34
(GORDON @ Jul. 31 2014,14:40) QUOTE Yeah but by that definition there is nothing in the universe that isn't a trumped up version of RPS. For games that have a good balance between multiple choices of class - or some other element that has similar mechanics - this is a correct statement. Sadly lots of games fail to have a good balance. Also many games don't have multiple choices of class. For those games this would not be true. Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 31 2014,14:20
(TPRJones @ Jul. 31 2014,16:34) QUOTE (GORDON @ Jul. 31 2014,14:40) QUOTE Yeah but by that definition there is nothing in the universe that isn't a trumped up version of RPS. For games that have a good balance between multiple choices of class - or some other element that has similar mechanics - this is a correct statement. Sadly lots of games fail to have a good balance. Also many games don't have multiple choices of class. For those games this would not be true. Of course, at that point, perhaps the weapons become the RPS. LOL is LARPS. live action rock paper scissors. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 31 2014,14:29
I think physics is just a trumped up version of rock paper scissors, featuring motion, force, and gravity.
Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 31 2014,14:43
Which beats which in that scenario?
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 31 2014,14:45
Gravity is a force.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 31 2014,14:51
(TPRJones @ Jul. 31 2014,16:43) QUOTE Which beats which in that scenario? Instead of RSP, wouldn't it be SWEMG (Strong, Weak, Electro-Magnetic, Gravimetric)? I mean, motion comes about because of force, one source of which could be gravity. Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 31 2014,15:01
Okay. Five is fine. But the question remains: if this is a form of RSP, then these items can be ranked in terms of which one beats which in a fight. Go.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 31 2014,15:16
You'd need different power rankings based on the distance between you and the dude throwing the other force. If you're too far away, strong doesn't beat anything. But if you move closer together, then strong starts to beat everything. We need proximity-based RPS to describe physics correctly. Even then, you can combine forces which is not something RPS accounts for. Does a pair paper-scissors beat a rock? Does a pair of rock-scissors beat paper?
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 01 2014,19:28
anyone getting on tonight?
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 03 2014,21:00
Heading to Memphis tomorrow. Will not be on til next weekend, Sunday-ish.I need 5 more ranked games to get ranked. Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 04 2014,05:25
Platinum IV, bitches!
Posted by Stranger on Aug. 05 2014,21:03
just won my last 3 games in a row in my provisional matches to get silver 5, right where I ended last season. Played a great Kog Ad, good Shyvana top and good Ziggs mid.. not my normal rolls but I'm happy with my performance.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 06 2014,08:18
Remember to be careful. You can drop levels now. In other words, you can go from Silver to Bronze.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 13 2014,23:10
New champ so OP that the store is shutting down due to overwhelming demand.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 17 2014,18:50
whew, finally won one. 2 more losses and I would be 10/10 aram losses.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 18 2014,17:36
Interest was beginning to rise but I had a feeling it would drop off when I went on vacation for a week.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 20 2014,16:26
Just played my first game as Teemo. Was in ARAM. Holy geez what a win button he is!! Was godlike right off the bat. Then everyone was primarying me, so I started dying. But I still pulled off more multi-kills and carried the team. Went 18/4/14. OP!!
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 20 2014,17:43
I have been shut down as Teemo. Depends on whether or not you have one half-good player on the other team.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 20 2014,17:58
I read:"I suck. You are awesome." Thank you! Posted by GORDON on Aug. 20 2014,18:26
JUST played a Teemo, actually. Was owning with the shrooms, then their Miss Fortune got a Lightbringer, and that was it.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 20 2014,18:28
I hardly used my mushrooms. We had them pinned down most of the game.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 20 2014,18:31
(Cakedaddy @ Aug. 20 2014,21:28) QUOTE I hardly used my mushrooms. We had them pinned down most of the game. Their MF was skinned and knew what she was doing. i didn't die much, but the shrooms kept them off me because they were afraid to get anywhere near me because they knew I was surrounded by shrooms. I even pulled off a couple stealth kills on Veigar... they would go by me with him in the back and he would die with a Q and 3 basic attacks. But once MF was taking out my shrooms, they steamrolled my team. The rest of us weren't enough to scare them. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 20 2014,18:32
Which, of course, means that a Lightbringer is the paper to Teemo's mushroom rock.
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 20 2014,18:44
(GORDON @ Aug. 20 2014,21:32) QUOTE Which, of course, means that a Lightbringer is the paper to Teemo's mushroom rock. see? Posted by GORDON on Aug. 20 2014,18:52
But it's an item compared to an ability. It's complicated.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 20 2014,19:53
There was a duo from last night on my team who were big dicks, and I put them on mute. I don't do that super often... I bet I have muted 25 people, total.Both of them were on the enemy team just now. So muting them doesn't keep you from getting in a game with them again. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 20 2014,20:36
On a serious bad streak on ARAM. My individual playing ranges from decent to good to occasionally awesome, but I bet I have lost 80% of the last 30 or so games.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 21 2014,09:48
(GORDON @ Aug. 20 2014,21:32) QUOTE Which, of course, means that a Lightbringer is the paper to Teemo's mushroom rock. The me from two years ago called and said, "Yeah, no shit. I tell you that during every TT game." Posted by GORDON on Aug. 23 2014,15:44
I was just telling the story, I wasn't implying that I just learned that.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 23 2014,17:28
The me from two years ago said "Both of you quit trying to get into each others' pants. It's annoying."In other news, Scooty and I are becoming quite the duo bottom team. We won two out of our first 3 games. That's almost undefeated! Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 23 2014,17:28
(GORDON @ Aug. 20 2014,23:36) QUOTE On a serious bad streak on ARAM. My individual playing ranges from decent to good to occasionally awesome, but I bet I have lost 80% of the last 30 or so games. I'm impressed that you never have any bad games. :-) Posted by GORDON on Aug. 23 2014,20:07
(Cakedaddy @ Aug. 23 2014,20:28) QUOTE (GORDON @ Aug. 20 2014,23:36) QUOTE On a serious bad streak on ARAM. My individual playing ranges from decent to good to occasionally awesome, but I bet I have lost 80% of the last 30 or so games. I'm impressed that you never have any bad games. :-) I can't remember the last time I got personally crushed in an ARAM.... I'm too careful any more. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 24 2014,18:00
I almost mentioned this the other night but I know no one gives a fuck...Stranger and I were trying to get into a game Friday or something, and the servers were getting DDOSed. I could barely get into the forums and people were complaining about "lizard Squad," linking people to their twitter feed where they were bragging about it, live, while it happened. Today I see the FBI is after them, now. < http://www.pcgamer.com/2014....nd-more > Posted by GORDON on Aug. 27 2014,19:19
My last 10 games:8 wins 1 loss 1 loss prevented score Posted by GORDON on Sep. 02 2014,11:03
Current match history: 8 wins, 2 losses.With 4 of us on SR I believe we have won every game on which I was the support. Soraka is a real asshole. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 02 2014,19:16
Ugh. Had a team where Draven didn't show up at all the first 10 minutes, and Nunu kept quitting because he was a whiner. So there goes my chance for a 10/10 match history, this go round.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 04 2014,10:37
< PC Gamer article about humor in MOBAs. >Have we found out why they don't ever mention League of Legends? Posted by GORDON on Sep. 04 2014,13:37
They seem to have been on the Valve payroll for over a year, now. I remember one month I am reading full monthly articles and LOL strategy guides, and the next month DOTA2 went beta and you never heard of LOL again.I let my subscription lapse and I wish PCG would cut the shit so I can renew it, but not until. I would write them an email but why would they ever address or admit it? I would bet a dollar that a "what about LOL?" letter has never hit their LTTE pages. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 05 2014,05:48
I honestly think it's been over a year. I dropped them 2-3 years ago, and even back then I barely saw LoL mentioned. Maybe they don't play LoL, and instead are huge DOTA2 players. I'd get that, but wouldn't you still at least mention the most played game in the world? In other news, < Riot is rebooting LoL's lore. > I'm very big into story lines in games, and not once did I ever give two shits about anyone's lore in LoL. The game itself doesn't lend itself to telling a story. I'm betting this is more for the LoL RPG that's been rumored. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 05 2014,07:31
And Valve probably isn't even bribing them, Valve probably pointed out to PCG that print magazines are a medium in decline, and asked how PCG enjoyed all the advertising that Valve pays for.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 05 2014,18:25
Just played an ARAM. I was Brand. I did very well.Our team was winning in kills, it was like 40 to 20. Yet they were pushing us back, had our inhibitor dead and we still didn't have a single turret kill. We pushed then back, killed their first turret. They pushed us back to our nexus... were 1 hit from victory, we pushed them back. Enemy Yi darted out of the bushes too soon to attempt a backdoor, we caught him and killed him. If he had waited one second we would have passed him and couldn't have caught him. We took their inhibitor turret. They pushed us back to our half-health nexus, took it down to one hit, we killed them and pushed them back. We took their inhibitor. They pushed us back to our half-health nexus, had it within a hit of winning, we killed them and pushed them back. Aced them. Won the game. I have won games with a 100-health nexus before, but never after 3 times and a near-backdoor. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 06 2014,20:05
Silver bitches!! Untethered from you assholes, I do pretty good. ;-)
Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 07 2014,05:08
(Cakedaddy @ Sep. 06 2014,23:05) QUOTE Silver bitches!! Untethered from you assholes, I do pretty good. ;-) That's why I won't let you bitches taint my Platinum. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 07 2014,08:50
taint
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 08 2014,00:37
Promo series to get to silver 4 already. Flyin' up that ladder!!
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 08 2014,07:26
I got placed in Bronze 1 last night after Stranger sabotaged me. I am pondering whether I want to make a run at silver, or not.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 08 2014,09:22
Probably shouldn't.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 08 2014,12:09
Leaning toward no. I would if I had a lot of peer pressure, but I would not take more than 1 shot at the playoffs, or whatever they are called, for promotion.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 08 2014,12:22
Why would there be peer pressure?
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 08 2014,12:32
I have a lot of other friends who like me to play League with them. But they all live in like South Dakota so you wouldn't know them.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 08 2014,12:35
(GORDON @ Sep. 08 2014,14:32) QUOTE I have a lot of other friends who like me to play League with them. But they all live in like South Dakota so you wouldn't know them. Bullshit. No one lives in South Dakota. They survive the bleakness. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 08 2014,12:37
Sioux Falls has a very active gaming community.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 08 2014,21:57
I've won 14 out of my last 17 ranked games. I'm on a 7 game ranked win streak. I think I'm going pro next season.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 09 2014,07:11
(GORDON @ Sep. 08 2014,14:37) QUOTE Sioux Falls has a very active gaming community. Sioux Falls has a community? Posted by GORDON on Sep. 09 2014,07:12
Dynamic and vibrant.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 10 2014,13:00
< Ascension mode coming + new map. >Cool, but still gimmicky. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 11 2014,18:17
Just played a game as Shaco. Getting burned out on Vi and Amumu. And that makes me start playing them poorly. Getting tired of Shaco counter jungles so decided to give him a try. Just played one of those "Team Builder" games so I would be guaranteed jungle.Just went 20/6/10. Owned Yi's jungle. Got more of his buffs than he did. However, the players in the game were horrible. They had a really good Yorik who was really giving us some trouble. But everyone else was not very good. We had a Renekten that only wanted to split push. Would pick a lane, top or bottom, and start pushing the minions until he died. Repeat. Over and over and over. So, my score isn't all that cool because it was like playing just above the AI. The enemies would often stop running, even though they got away from me, and let me score the death blow. Yi would stop to heal and die. So, again, my score is artificially inflated. However, DAMN does Shaco hit fucking hard. His jungle clearing is super fast and he takes hardly any damage from them. When chasing him, it seems he's invisible forever. When playing as him, it's over in half a second! But I was insta popping Yi and Ashe mid and late game. I could 1v1 Blitz and take about 10% damage. They may have had shitty builds as well letting me do all this damage. But, one thing is for sure. He's not as hard as I thought he would be. I remember trying him a long time ago and failing big time. Not now. Very straight forward. Not sure if his kit changed or if I've just got a better understanding of things. But ya. Going to be jungling with him more. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 13 2014,01:01
Took me a while to get an aram win tonight. I did good to great, didn't have any stinker games and the one when I was.... ummm..... Ezreal (I think) I had 23 kills/9 deaths.... the teams just couldn't get it done.One game every member of the enemy team had long-range poke.... yeah, all RANDOM. I really with they would get rid of swapping and rerolling. At least make it twice as long to regen rerolls. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 01 2014,19:33
Damn, they changed some shit. I got soraka in an aram, and they totally changed her spells and shit. no more mana regen. starcall is a targetable spell. healing someone takes away her health.... soraka seems a lot less support, all of a sudden.And then in aram they were placing their own turrets where our turrets got destroyed. no idea what was happening there. Posted by Trooper on Oct. 02 2014,19:47
![]() League of Nicolas Cage. That is all. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 15 2014,16:40
Sion got a big boost. Now he can rush you like Hecarim (saw one bypass 2 turrets to kill a guy in a single charge), resurrect like Zilean (saw him not die 4 times one game, like he had guardian angel armor), he's still a tank, and now he does a lot of damage, too.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2014,10:29
Apparently there's an updated Summoner's Rift and there are a couple new icons up for grabs for winning on it for the next couple days. I'll be on tonight.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 17 2014,18:20
In ARAM there's a "Poro King" mode... you throw Poros like snowballs, and... there are rewards and stuff. It's different. Pretty fun.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 18 2014,10:43
Played the Poro King mode last night. You pick your own champ in a Blind Pick fashion but play on the ARAM map. The Poro throw has a very long range. If you hit something, you can activate the spell a second time and teleport to the thing you hit. It also does damage. At various times (which I don't think were random, but I don't know the trigger) a Poro King would appear and fight for one side or the other. He's a massive, slow moving poro that fights with your team. I never really saw him doing much as far as damage and stuff. Wasn't a real game changer. However, while he's summoned for your side, you can teleport to him after you res to get back to the fight faster. Instead of running from spawn allllllll the way back to the fight, you zip over to the king really fast.Also, season. . .' whatever' just started. 4? 5? Anyway, ranks are reset. Jungle got a HUGE re-do. All new jungle items. Many new jungle spawns. The jungle items affect what smite does. One item makes smite slow enemy champs by 50% for 3 seconds. One items makes it do AOE damage. Etc. I don't remember all of them. But smite is not just for crumping NPCs any more. The dragon has a stacking buff system. The first time your team kills him, you get a movement speed buff. Second time, a damage buff, 3rd time, an armor buff, etc. I don't remember the actual buffs. But there are 5 or 6 of them. Killing dragon is even more important now. There are small, wandering jungle minions that do stuff. Drop temporary buffs (one is speed and I don't know who all gets to use it), another one implies someone can see you, but I don't know who. The jungle clearing pattern is different. People don't start with red or blue any more. I did and no one leashed and I damn near died to the blue spawn. Had to recall immediately as I used both (you can only afford 2 health potions at start up now) of my potions to stay alive. Towers are different as they shoot lasers now instead of balls. They will also give you buffs if there are no enemies (champs or minions) around. So, you can pause at an inner turret for a bit and pick up a big armor buff that falls off slowly after you leave the turret. Just all kinds of changes. Feels like the biggest changes ever. However, the over all core has not changed. You still lane, team fight, etc. But damn. The jungle changes are huge. Really threw junglers a bone in this update. Posted by Stranger on Dec. 18 2014,10:55
Summoner's Rift looks a lot better now. And the jungle gives players many more paths to follow with the updates, it should open up more champs you can play in the jungle now too. I like it
Posted by Trooper on Dec. 31 2014,20:00
Just started playing this again after a 6 month break. And it turns out I'm still really really good at it.
Posted by Trooper on Jan. 01 2015,19:07
Just qualified for my promotional series, finally decided I'd crawl out of Bronze 1.
Posted by Trooper on Jan. 03 2015,15:30
Gordon! Me and Cake are starting up another League of Legends ranked team. Wanted to know if you'd like to play with us? Planning on playing nightly around 8:30pm, and figured we'd hold the Top lane position open for you. What do you think?
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 03 2015,16:12
Maybe.
Posted by Trooper on Jan. 03 2015,20:02
We're working all night tonight till about 6am, same as last night. Was planning on starting tomorrow. Started the recruitimg process earlier today, so ill be trying a few guys out tomorrow, and we should be ready to start practicing tomorrow with a full team. Hope youre still interested, itd be nice to not have to hunt for a skilled top player.
Posted by Trooper on Jan. 04 2015,16:55
Starting a little early tonight Gordon, we'll be in voice. Just doing draft picks, don't have a full 5 yet.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 04 2015,17:32
And he said "If Gordon doesn't play tonight, he's off the team."Just kidding. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 04 2015,17:37
![]() TBH I am not available til after 9 most evenings anyway. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 05 2015,05:01
Not sure if you are going to want to count on me in a ranked team. 3 games of SR is about all I can take in one evening. I find the games long and mentally tiring.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 05 2015,12:34
Good team name: Sideboob
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 06 2015,16:18
There's going to be a 2014 "Don't Be A Dick" reward. Something for peeps never banned/whatever.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 06 2015,20:48
Riot is going to try to improve peering in North America and for some reason this is news instead of what they should have done a long time ago.< http://kotaku.com/league-....7872200 > Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 07 2015,10:39
< Colleges start offering scholarships for LOL players >
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 07 2015,11:18
QUOTE will offer 20 scholarships for high level League of Legends players I wonder what their definition of "high level" is. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 07 2015,11:21
I don't know, but I'm picturing you starring in a remake of Back To School.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 07 2015,11:27
Admissions dudes and dudettes... I am level 30 in LOL.... that is literally the highest level you can achieve in the game... you should totally give me a full ride
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 07 2015,11:29
QUOTE I don't know, but I'm picturing you starring in a remake of Back To School. He's not rich enough to buy his way in... ![]() This is a cool move and shows that gaming is becoming far more mainstream than ever. Although, being more realistic, it seems more like marketing. "Look at us kids! We're so cool we sponsor pro LoL players!" Plus, they're treating them like student athletes, right? Are we going to start discussing eligibility? Are there going to be contracts signed to lock them into school so they can't just leave and get paid by a corporate sponsor, which is the current system? There isn't a soul in our group who would have a prayer at this, not even Rifle who was, by FAR, the highest ranked player. Posted by Trooper on Jan. 07 2015,15:21
And of course, U MICH Ann Arbor is undefeated ;D
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 29 2015,08:03
< Download music from the game for free. >I remember some of the character launch songs being pretty cool. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 01 2015,13:04
Why people get cranky when they get older:Because after all these years, you still need to tell people DONT FOCUS THE TANK over and over. You realize that the universe is cranking out noobs faster than you can educate them, you get tired of it, and you get cranky. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 25 2015,08:46
< Dude has no hands, still better at Rock, Scissors, Paper than all of yall >
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 25 2015,10:36
I skimmed through it. I saw he had a left-hand keyboard under his toes... what else does he use for control?
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 02 2015,19:39
Just had an ARAM end with a score of 92 to 85, lasting almost an hour. Both teams at the end agreed it was a good, close game.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 21 2015,20:11
Jesus christ look at RIOT's new HQ.< http://www.pcgamer.com/league-....uarters > Posted by GORDON on Apr. 25 2015,20:06
They must have improved peering or something, my avg ping for the last 4 days has dropped from 120 to 75.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 28 2015,18:45
It is pretty cool to be me because Riot monitors my playing. As soon as I get good at a champ, they nerf him. They figure if he is easy enough for me to play well, he must be OP.Ryze is up next on the chopping block. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 29 2015,19:58
They added the winter-event snowball to the list of summoner spells.... does anyone know if it is permanent? It completely changes ARAM. Now before you know it people are behind you.... not good if you are a squishy.
Posted by GORDON on May 15 2015,17:10
My win/loss score in ARAM is currently 583/582. Too close to 50/50 to matter, but it is the first time I remember actually having a positive score.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 07 2015,12:48
(GORDON @ Apr. 29 2015,22:58) QUOTE They added the winter-event snowball to the list of summoner spells.... does anyone know if it is permanent? It completely changes ARAM. Now before you know it people are behind you.... not good if you are a squishy. They nerfed this down, btw. Half the range and twice the cooldown. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 07 2015,12:51
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One of my coworkers is Diamond, it turns out. Another is Platinum.You guys suck. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 07 2015,15:46
My nervous system is just straight-up not fast enough to pull off some of the stuff I see.And, I've never paid to use the illegal cheat programs. Not saying everyone uses them, but they exist. And probably more importantly, the lack of an east coast North America server screws me over. My 80ms ping vs. a 15ms for some cock on the west coast gives me a good disadvantage. I'd enjoy seeing ranking stats for people, based on their average pings. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 07 2015,16:08
Uninstalled LoL officially last night. Haven't logged in for 6 months and needed the space because iTunes is a space sucking piece of shit.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 07 2015,16:39
I had assumed you uninstalled it over a year ago.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 28 2015,19:53
"The metal piece on Sion's jaw is the crown of Jarvan I."
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 03 2015,21:49
Penta as Kog'Maw, woohoo
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2015,20:33
I pondered before wondering if there is a correlation between ping and rank. in the big picture.Apparently, very much so. My 100ish ping to California DOES affect my game. < http://www.elophant.com/league-....iod=all > Posted by GORDON on Aug. 11 2015,17:12
(GORDON @ Jun. 07 2015,18:46) QUOTE And probably more importantly, the lack of an east coast North America server screws me over. My 80ms ping vs. a 15ms for some cock on the west coast gives me a good disadvantage. I'd enjoy seeing ranking stats for people, based on their average pings. Holy fucking shit. They are moving the NA server from Portland, OR to Chicago. That's like probably the most realistic best-case scenario for me. < http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en....er-move > Posted by GORDON on Aug. 11 2015,17:50
If I am reading this trace route correctly I am going to go from 14 hops and an 85ms ping to about 6 hops and a 40ms ping, conservative estimate.I'm going Gold, baby. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 18 2015,16:27
Server moves to Chicago 1 week from today! Sweet!
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2015,16:30
Server moved today... I am only down to a 50 ping. I had hoped for better.Hopefully they are still working peering deals. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 26 2015,05:11
Sometimes the ping is 40, sometimes it is 55. One thing for sure, I've never seen green "Ping Status" bars before.Another good thing about this server move is that when one of your teammates joins a game that they only have 15 minutes to play, then call for a surrender at 15 when they have to leave, then when everybody votes to not surrender they can just feed over and over with a much better ping. So there's that. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 01 2015,18:43
I seem to be 42-43 every game, now, which is pretty close to my guesstimate.Not that anyone cares, fuck you guys. Posted by Stranger on Sep. 18 2015,06:28
actually played in a game with both Gordon and Cake last night! They both said hi to each other through me. making progress boys. THE BAND IS GETTING BACK TOGETHER! Posted by GORDON on Oct. 02 2015,18:43
The logic behind a smurf account for ARAM:I have my main account with like 80 champs, but that makes it a huge crap shoot in ARAM for getting a viable champ. I've started a smurf account for ARAM, and I will only be getting the good ARAM champs. This serves two purposes.... a full team of smurf accounts not only has the higher percentage of getting the good champs, but it also means the other team is forced into less viable ARAM champs. It's kind of devious. Posted by Stranger on Nov. 05 2015,08:13
< Huge changes coming to season 6! >-revamping of all ADs and items -All new mastery trees -The Rift Herald, a neutral monster like dragon that spawns in Baron Pit before Baron @ 20 mins. -Champion mastery and crafting system -New champ select process and ability to que ranked games with 1,2,3,4 or 5 players Season ends on the 11th and looks like I won't make Silver like I did the past two seasons, but I started playing again late in the season. I like that we can now play ranked games with more people now. Cake and I duo quite a bit, but it would be nice to have a 3rd or 4th and not have to play normals. So Gordon, get ready to play some ranked next season, I'm gonna make you play. Scooty still plays and so does Riflescout. I talked to Rifle the other day and he plays for the University of Toledo team, said they had just beat Ohio State and Illinois. He's Diamond 5, and really good. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 05 2015,12:41
I never see anyone on.... I got out of the habit of even looking at my friend list because it usually says zero are online.
Posted by Stranger on Nov. 11 2015,10:38
< Patch notes for preseason 6 >Lots of cool changes. Remember to redo all your masteries as all three trees have changed. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 11 2015,14:01
Yeah I jumped into a game to test my new internet speeds (no change in ping) and I didn't know about the changes. Mana potions have been removed, which makes AP champs really weak at early levels. Didn't even know I didn't have any masteries for that game.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 04 2015,12:02
< Stuck in ELO hell? It's probably you that's the problem. >
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 04 2015,12:05
I do better with a competent team. If we have an ADC who finishes up 1/12/8, my score will be poor as well because I tend to play like I have a competent team around me. If my team can't back my plays, or don't make good plays for me to back, I tend to die more.I'm not the best player in the game, but it isn't a coincidence that I tend to lose games that are basically 4v6 because someone on our team is feeding the other team like crazy. Posted by Stranger on Dec. 04 2015,13:19
This one time I was on a team, and we sucked! Top, feed... jungle, feed... mid, feed... ADC, feed.. Support never fed, he was good.Anyways, we weren't good until we got one diamond level player on the team to carry us. He was a kid, and he was reeealllllly good. Then he couldn't put up with the feeding anymore and left to greener pastures. I blame my team for holding me down and keeping me from my rightful place in diamond, at least platinum. We argued, blamed, and downright hated each other at times. ...greatest gaming experience of my life, would do it all over again. I'll be on tonight ![]() ![]() Posted by Leisher on Dec. 04 2015,13:28
Trust me, it was you.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 09 2015,16:54
If you're planning on playing tonight, start patching now. Lots of people like me have been patching for over an hour, and Riot doesn't seem to be addressing it.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 10 2015,18:52
The Snowball Fight game is back for a couple weeks.... I like it better than ARAM because it takes place on the same map, but you can pick your champ. I am 2/0 so far.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 13 2015,13:06
(GORDON @ Aug. 11 2015,20:50) QUOTE If I am reading this trace route correctly I am going to go from 14 hops and an 85ms ping to about 6 hops and a 40ms ping, conservative estimate. I'm going Gold, baby. I am steady at 39. FYI. Posted by Stranger on Dec. 14 2015,07:41
I'm usually at 25 ping, very nice. Very noticeable difference from the 100 ping I used to get a year ago.BTW Gordo.. did you get the snowball I sent ya? Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2015,10:23
(Stranger @ Dec. 14 2015,10:41) QUOTE I'm usually at 25 ping, very nice. Very noticeable difference from the 100 ping I used to get a year ago. BTW Gordo.. did you get the snowball I sent ya? Yeah but I wasn't sure what it was. Posted by Stranger on Dec. 14 2015,10:43
(GORDON @ Dec. 14 2015,13:23) QUOTE (Stranger @ Dec. 14 2015,10:41) QUOTE I'm usually at 25 ping, very nice. Very noticeable difference from the 100 ping I used to get a year ago. BTW Gordo.. did you get the snowball I sent ya? Yeah but I wasn't sure what it was. basically for 100IP you can gift someone one of 4 random summoner icons and they also get a 1 game IP boost. Its just part of the snowdown event. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2015,11:06
Oooohhh. I liked the "snowball to the face" line.Thanks. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2015,15:05
< China > thanks you all for your economic support.
Posted by Stranger on Dec. 29 2015,10:29
Yesterday I qued up a ranked game and the normal draft process goes on. I take Malphite top and then the next guy "CreepingDeath" selects Fiora jungle.. Ok, not a common jungle pick, but whatever anything can work in Bronze so I was alright with it. He goes on to assure the team he is a Fiora main and has played many games with Fiora (heard that story many times).As the game is loading up I check out LolNexus to see everyones experience with their champs, runes and masteries setups etc.. I notice that this Fiora on my team wasn't kidding, he has played almost 1700 games with Fiora, This season alone!!! Now this is just an absurd amount of games for just one champ in less than a year. Even 300+ games is uncommon to see but 1700!! I'm thinking something is wrong here why is this person only bronze 3? They play this game and this champ like its their job. But oh well, maybe I will be carried to an easy victory. Game starts and ive got a Teemo top that is making farming a pain in the ass for me (fuck Teemo!). And so Fiora comes for a gank because I'm pushed to my tower. I'm pretty low on mana so I wasn't gonna be much of a help but surely this Fiora main can take out a squishy Teemo with ease.. Nope, he chased Teemo well back into his tower range and gives up first blood... He continues to feed and the game ends in a loss 25 minutes later with Fiora going 4-15-6. How can someone who has played so many games with one champ be this bad? They were not trolling, actually trying to win but just a bad player overall. So afterwards I wanted to see some more info on this Fiora main. I went to LOLskill.com and searched for the < most played games with Fiora. > and low and behold look who tops the charts, IN THE WORLD!! No other person in the world has played more games as Fiora since the beginning of Season 5! I checked their summoner profile on < OP.GG > and this person has played 2158 ranked games in one season!!!... Yet they are still only Bronze 3. That comes out to playing 6 games a day everyday for one calendar year! I know lots of people don't have a life and gaming is all they do. But to think you wouldn't get any better after that many hours of game play seems almost impossible. Just a funny story that I wanted to share because of the information that I just happened to come across. By the way, he isn't even the worst. I did a little digging and found a Korean Bronze Ashe main that has played 4330 games as Ashe in season 5 alone. Now this is just unfathomable to me! I guess being a Korean makes it much more believable. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 29 2015,10:49
Practically a celebrity.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 07 2016,15:13
"Poro King" is done. I played 37 games as Heimerdinger, and won 28 of them.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 14 2016,12:06
< Riot released a free album of LoL songs. >
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 14 2016,13:20
(Leisher @ Jan. 14 2016,15:06) QUOTE < Riot released a free album of LoL songs. > Downloaded it earlier today. Try to keep up LOL Posted by GORDON on Jan. 19 2016,15:40
Jesus fuck.We were about to win. I was dead. We had 3 guys on the nexus, it was half-health and dropping. We had it easily. They all broke off to get one more kill. They all died. Our minions got the nexus down to 35 points of health when they were cleared. Enemy team came back, took out a turret, an inhibitor, two more turrets, and won the game. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 26 2016,13:18
< There's an official app for that. >
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 18 2016,11:12
< Guy gets a pentakill and steals baron...while dead. >
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