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Topic: Borderlands 2
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Posted by Leisher on Aug. 17 2011,07:41

< The original Borderlands thread for those who didn't play it...and you should. >

< Weaponry. >

< Screenshots. >

< Trailer. >

Posted by Leisher on Feb. 23 2012,07:47

< September 18th. >

Seriously, if you never played the first one, and you like FPSs, you really, really should give it a look. It's fantastic.

Posted by Stranger on Jul. 06 2012,09:32

< http://www.borderlands2.com/preorder/#premiereclub >

Oh yes i will be preordering this one! a new character class, special guns, a golden key among other things! This game will be interfering with my League play, but oh well..

Sooooo many weapons to choose from, sooooo many guns, soooo much looting, whats not to love about this game!

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 06 2012,10:22

If you buy it on the PC we can play online co-op. Might even talk some of these other folks into joining us (it still plays 4 right?).

It'd be easier to play online than always meeting up to play on a dual screen TV with an X-Box.

Welcome to the 90s...

Posted by Stranger on Jul. 06 2012,11:35

unless i get a new PC by september then i don't think that will be hapenning. My PC wont be good enough to play that game. So will be getting it for Xbox, and it can be played on xbox live so we don't have to split screen. i did it in the first game all the time. And yes, it will still be 4 player co-op

Posted by Stranger on Jul. 06 2012,11:38

didn't you tell me one time that PC and Xbox players can game together now? you would think so cause its all Microsoft.

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 06 2012,11:42

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and it can be played on xbox live so we don't have to split

Pretty sure my X-Box Live account expired and I have no intention of paying $60 for a game, and then another $50 just to play it online occasionally. Particularly not for a FPS, which are FAR superior with a keyboard/mouse. Not to mention that I'd be going backwards in terms of technology, and thus, not seeing as pretty of a game. (Brand new PC versus 6 year old X-Box...)

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didn't you tell me one time that PC and Xbox players can game together now? you would think so cause its all Microsoft.

They can for certain games, but not for most. If Steam is out for X-Box, then maybe...

Posted by Stranger on Jul. 06 2012,13:26

Bummer, i was looking forward to a co-op kill/loot fest..

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 06 2012,13:44

I'm pretty sure I haven't turned my X-Box on since LoL came into my life. Can't justify the cost for another Live subscription just to play Borderlands. Plus, on the PC it'll be cheaper, look better, sound better, have cheaper DLCs, I don't need a $50 annual account to play with friends, and I can use a keyboard/mouse.

That's tough competition for the X-Box.

I highly recommend you save yourself $110, and put it towards a PC to play the game on...

Posted by WSGrundy on Jul. 07 2012,13:28

(Leisher @ Jul. 06 2012,11:42)

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didn't you tell me one time that PC and Xbox players can game together now? you would think so cause its all Microsoft.

They can for certain games, but not for most. If Steam is out for X-Box, then maybe...

They did it for the game shadowrun but that was it. There was talk of auto aiming help for the console players but still lagged behind.

I think PS3 and PC players can play Portal 2 together.

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 12 2012,06:27

< New video. >

Posted by Leisher on Aug. 17 2012,13:53

< Another trailer. >

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 26 2012,10:29

(Leisher @ Jul. 06 2012,12:22)

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If you buy it on the PC we can play online co-op. Might even talk some of these other folks into joining us (it still plays 4 right?).

Who's in on this? I'm seriously considering picking this up, preorder, as a PC game for multiplayer purposes, which is something I don't think has happened since the days of X-Wing v. TIE Fighter (and when I find a way to make my 17-button Firebird joystick work, we can fire that up).

If it's anything like the first one, it will constantly remind you that, like Gauntlet, it was meant to be played with all the characters there. Nothing worse that loot drops full of shit you can't use since cash becomes meaningless after a bit. Maybe they've found a better endgame use for it than death, though. I can think of lots.

Posted by Leisher on Aug. 27 2012,11:01

I would be up for it Malcolm, but getting two more will be an issue.

Judging by the responses from the rest of the forum dwellers, few took my advice and tried out Borderlands.

Only Stranger and myself have played it and are clamoring for the sequel. However, Stranger is getting it for X-Box because he doesn't have a PC to run it yet.

Posted by Stranger on Aug. 27 2012,11:08

I have preordered! but i had to go the 360 route cause i won't have my new PC for another few months and i refuse to wait that long to play this game.

So if anyone wants to play some co-op on the Xbox when it comes out lemme know. I know that most of you here are gonna hate on the 360 cause you have such sweet PC's but i don't care. So GFY!!

And since my old co-op partner (ahem....Leisher) is gonna let me down and not gonna roll with me on the Xbox anymore, im in need of some new friends to play this wonderfully gory loot fest with.

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 27 2012,11:17

Going to be another few lifetimes before I drop cash on a console again.

Posted by GORDON on Aug. 27 2012,12:07

(Leisher @ Aug. 27 2012,14:01)

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I would be up for it Malcolm, but getting two more will be an issue.

Looks interesting, but honestly just don't have the time. 95% of my gaming time goes to LoL. I play some Civ5 or TF2 when the guild isn't around.

I have about 10 games in Steam I bought on sale and never installed as it is. And 4 games in boxes next to my computer that I never installed.

Posted by Leisher on Aug. 27 2012,12:25

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And since my old co-op partner (ahem....Leisher) is gonna let me down and not gonna roll with me on the Xbox anymore, im in need of some new friends to play this wonderfully gory loot fest with.

Again, sorry but I'm not going to pay $50 for an X-Box Live account just to play a single game online. Not to mention the $60 for the game itself.

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I play some Civ5 or TF2 when the guild isn't around.

You should dump TF2.

Borderlands is one of those games that comes out of nowhere. It reminded me a lot of Half-Life in how nobody talked about it, and then it gets released, and Wham! it's one of the biggest games out there. It's different. It has a great style, multiple characters, co-op, loot galore, lots of humor, etc.

It's the game we were begging the industry to make before LoL.

Posted by GORDON on Aug. 27 2012,12:28

Hilarious... I just checked my Steam library, and I have Borderlands. I must have bought it on sale and immediately forgot about it.

Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 27 2012,12:38

(Leisher @ Aug. 27 2012,14:25)

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You should dump TF2.

On the contrary, everyone should try it again. Mann vs. Machine has completely changed everything, and makes the reason most people left (too many weapons differentiation blurring class lines) a moot point.

Admittedly a couple of weeks later it'll be deleted again. But it'll be a very fun couple of weeks.

Posted by Leisher on Aug. 27 2012,12:50

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Mann vs. Machine has completely changed everything, and makes the reason most people left (too many weapons differentiation blurring class lines) a moot point.

They lost me with the hats, various new weapons, in game store (or whatever), etc.

It seemed like balance had to go out the window in the name of microtransactions.

Instead of all the stupid bullshit that made the game inaccessible to new players and former players they should have focused on new maps, new ways to play, and a sequel.

Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 27 2012,13:56

I don't think they ever gave up on balance, but they did get a little carried away on the choices to the point where balance become annoyingly difficult to maintain. But on the bright side you can craft anything that you can buy, if you are patient enough. Unlike some F2P games where only money gets you some important things.

Anyway, they gave that a rest and instead spent time making new maps and new ways to play. And the fact that it's coop with no competition between players levels the playing field of weapon options.

Again, I'm not sure what the longevity will be on it, but it's well worth trying out if there was ever a point in time where you actually liked the game.

Posted by GORDON on Aug. 27 2012,14:12

I liked the hats... as a sniper, it made their heads bigger in my crosshairs.

I go hatless for that very reason.

I really loved when they came out with the "No Cheating" halos... it was a little round, glowing target.

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 27 2012,14:23

Borderlands is like sci-fi Diablo done FPS style, but it's primarily you and your teammates. Granted, AI bots aren't nearly as challenging as other people, but jacking up the difficulty to max seems preferable to the scenario outlined below.

The last time I had actual fun playing a FPS against other random people was Halo 2, and that was because there were four of us with spare time, around the same competency level, that worked well together. Hell, we didn't even have voice comms. We were kicking ass. Had a good sniper, an aggressive spearhead-type rusher, a sneaky bastard, and I was as deadly as anyone you could find dual wielding a SMG and revolver, in mid-air or otherwise. A couple of us could shotgun headblast sword-rushers in mid-stride. I can't tell you the number of kills I got just standing in front of sometime with an energy sword, daring them to come at me.

Then came the first weapons patch and we figured we all had to relearn out play styles. That's dangerously close to crossing the line from "game" to "chore" for me. On the flip side, the DLC in Borderlands contained the most fucking insane, intense PvM combat I can remember since I first laid hands on a Gravis Gamepad and played Doom. They had to handicap the players explicitly to make it interesting and it's completely artificial, but it's still a pain in the ass even if you're a maxed out, fully decked character.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 10 2012,07:44

Preordered along with Fallout: New Vegas: Ultimate Edition ($30) and Interplay's Fallout 3-Pack (Fallout 1, 2, BoS: Tactics, $20). Anticipating a hard-ass winter since last year's barely registered.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 10 2012,11:50

Had Roland, the turret dude, in the last one. He was support gold, but he wasn't the greatest for taking or absorbing damage. Thinking about the Gunzerker or the Assassin.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 10 2012,12:47

< http://www.gamenguide.com/article....aya.htm >

Here's a link to see the different skill trees of each charecter.

Whats cool about B2 is that each champ has 3 skill trees to chose from so in co-op if you had 2 Zero's playing at the same time then one could be a melee assassin, and the other one could be built as a sniper. SWEET...

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 10 2012,13:52

The Mechnomancer info seems to be missing.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 10 2012,13:55

I've read that Gearbox is keeping that hush for now. I've also read that if you preordered then she will be free when released, which is sometime in october i guess.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 11 2012,06:34

Pre-ordering...for PC.

Sorry Stranger!

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 11 2012,07:18

thats ok.. Plenty of other peeps play it online. Starting next tuesday LOL will be on the backburner for a while.. HAPPY GAMING

Posted by WSGrundy on Sep. 11 2012,08:38

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 11 2012,09:16

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Starting next tuesday LOL will be on the backburner for a while..

I think you can skip Borderlands 2 one or two nights a week for LoL.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 11 2012,09:33

I'd like to think so, but....... Part one was one of my favorite games of all time and i've been waiting almost 2 years for this one.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 11 2012,10:29

There's a new trailer out that's live action. It's pretty cool.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 11 2012,16:57

I feel sorry for people who play FPS on consoles. It's like using AOL for your isp.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 11 2012,17:46

I could not agree with you more Cake.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 12 2012,06:52

i feel sorry for elitist PC douchebags that are so narrow minded and think a game cant be fun on a console.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 12 2012,06:58

(Stranger @ Sep. 12 2012,09:52)

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i feel sorry for elitist PC douchebags that are so narrow minded and think a game cant be fun on a console.

i feel sorry for people who... are... stupid heads

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 12 2012,07:19

(Stranger @ Sep. 12 2012,08:52)

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i feel sorry for elitist PC douchebags that are so narrow minded and think a game cant be fun on a console.

It's not the lack of fun, it's the lack of precision and control during gameplay. Keyboard + mouse beats any console control device I've ever seen.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 12 2012,07:28

I remember Windows Live dropped all PC/Xbox cros platform play because the PC peeps just annihilated the XBox peeps. They talked about adding in "cheats" to the XBox to help aim and stuff, but they still couldn't crank up the aimbot high enough to be competitive.

I like playing Wipeout HD on my big screen TV/PS3, though. So whatever. I just dont do it very often because in addition to better games my PC also has porn on it.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 12 2012,07:37

i get the aiming part of it, but i don't like walking around pressing buttons. It just feels clunky to me, I have never been able to get used to that. To me the controller just feels better and walking around is much easier.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 12 2012,07:40

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i feel sorry for elitist PC douchebags that are so narrow minded and think a game cant be fun on a console.

Said the elitist Mac user...

I've had great fun co-oping the Halo series and Borderlands with Stranger on the X-Box, and would this time if not for the cost (I let my X-Box Live subscription expire).

Yeah, the controls suck, and the code actually cheats for you, but it's still great fun.

Hopefully, he'll be on a PC for Borderlands 3.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 13 2012,08:06

< http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=147008 >

Here is some juicy info for those of you that have preordered and will get a golden key.

Do you open it right away, or wait till your a higher level? since this item will depend on what level you are when you open it, it makes it a tough decision.

And from what i've read so far, gold keys are only available if you preorder and you cannot get them in game... at least not yet.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 13 2012,08:39

From what I can tell, it gives you kick-ass loot but anything in the gold chests can show up as normal loot if the randomizer smiles on you.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 13 2012,08:53

According to the gearbox community manager:

"the loot inside the Golden Chest is always of “very rare” (purple) quality and scaled to your character’s level at the moment you open the chest."

But there is "ultra rare" and "legendary items", so i guess it will be something very nice, but prolly not worth waiting till level 50 to open it. Just my opionion.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 13 2012,09:10

Eh, I was throwing away purples like pennies somewhere near the last third of the original.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 13 2012,09:19

agreed, towards endgame when your at max level purple weapons are being thrown at ya everywhere.

But it will help early to mid game, and since B2 has lockers to store weapons you can always use it for a second or third character when leveling them up.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 13 2012,17:22

First of all, there are a lot of fun games on consoles. They just aren't FPS.

Wanting to play a game on a better platform makes one elitist? I think it makes you smart!!

Yes, walking around with a controller is easier than walking around with a keyboard. But why are you walking around? Sit your ass down when you play the game. I think you might like playing on the PC way better if you do that.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 13 2012,17:36

Granted, it is sometimes nice to game on the couch.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 17 2012,09:42

So who are you guys gonna play first?

Axton the commando- nuke turrets that shoot rockets, Thats the build i would prolly go for

Maya the siren- Lots of utility with her. Can be a healer, damage dealer, or all sorts of crowd control

Zer0 the assassin- Either a shotgunning sword swinging bursty assassin, or a sniper that can max damage up to 999x. Thats insane!!

Salvador the gunzerker- can you say dual wielding 2 legendary rocket launchers?!?!?!?!!!

I'm not really sure who i wanna roll with first. What a dillema!!

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 17 2012,10:00

I still haven't pre-ordered the game, but have until midnight. I'm debating not getting it yet, and just waiting for a Steam sale. The fact that I'm even thinking about ordering it at full price says a lot about the quality of the first game.

(Again, if you haven't played it yet, and you love FPS games, you owe it to yourself to get the damn thing and play it. It is easily one of the most underrated games ever.)

I was looking at either the turret guy or the new class. Although, the assassin might be a nice counter to the tank I played in the first game...

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 17 2012,10:36

Leisher if you don't end up buying it then you can come over and splitscreen with me.. Just like old times!!!!!!!

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 17 2012,11:39

Did the Roland turret/support thing last time. Rockets, occasional equipment crates, and missiles got shot out, I believe. My class add-on meant infinite ammo. All my gun levels were a minimum of 30, and a few were maxed. I simply couldn't absorb the damage when my partner (playing the Siren, whatever her name is) would phase and all the fucking critters attacked me. Turret cooldown took too long, too.

Think I'll go Zer0. I still can't believe they dropped PvP in this game. It could be fucking awesome.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 17 2012,11:53

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Leisher if you don't end up buying it then you can come over and splitscreen with me.. Just like old times!!!!!!!

Yeah, I considered that, but the problem is that my kids are older and require more work. It'd be impossible for me to get away as often.

Plus, there's League of Legends, which we play on the weekends, and when we normally do 5 man games...

My debate is:
-Spend $60 now on a great game and get the new class for free.
-Wait and keep playing the games I bought during the summer Steam sale, and then buy BL2 and the DLCs later in package deals.

The only problem with that is that I don't want to wait. This is one of the few games that I'm willing to pay full price to play now.

As for co-op, I was the tank and Stranger was the guy with the bird. We had a really good combo. I'd charge in and take all the damage while he and his bird sniped enemies. It was a blast.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 17 2012,13:01

That bird is a kill stealing sumbitch. In no world should a fucking bird outstrip a missile launching turret for destruction.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 17 2012,13:20

FEED BLOODWING! FEEEEEEED!!!

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 17 2012,13:28

In a way i am looking forward to that time in my life when the kid is grown and gone, i can sell the acreage and all the time that takes up, and i can move into a condo where someone else does the yardwork and fixes the plumbing.... so i can do nothing but sit around and own punks 10 hours a day, every day. Have 2-dayto long LAN parties with the boys. That sort of thing.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 17 2012,21:18

Hey Stranger, I am actually playing Borderlands 2 right now.

PCs are awesome.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 18 2012,04:32

< http://www.gametrailers.com/reviews/67hmp4/borderlands-2-review >

An excellent 10 minute review of what is, to me, the most anticipated game of the year!

F-YOU LEISHER! im so envious right now. Who did you pick?

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 18 2012,05:34

I went with Zero. Sniping and stealth seems like it'll be fun.

One thing that irritated me right out of the gate was the "Loyalty Reward". There's something there for you if you played the first game, which I did, a LOT. However, none of those save games are on my system, so it doesn't know that. Makes me want to play the first one again.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 18 2012,05:53

The Loyalty Reward is just a set of skins or different "heads" for each of the charecters. They are pretty cool, but not all that important in the end since you will be finding new ones as you go. I won't be able to get that reward either as my saved game from the first game is on my old X-box, and that was trashed a few years ago.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 18 2012,06:05

I played through the first "boss", and here are my thoughts:

1. The opening isn't as cool as the first game's opening. Mainly because the song isn't as good. Thy did add a nice twist to the original opening moment though...

2. Claptrap is awesome. Listen to him closely when you get to an area where the ground is shaking.

3. I was disappointed about my loyalty reward, but I do think I have a saved game on my old system that was pretty far along. I'm going to check tonight.

4. I didn't get anything yet for my pre-order. I'll follow up more on that later.

5. I haven't really done shit yet except finish the "introduction" area.

We need to get four people on here playing this game co-op.

It's just too much fun.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 18 2012,07:28

Mine ships in another 1.5 weeks.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 18 2012,08:12

Hmm, at least when there's 5 classes, there'll be a bit of variety in team formation. Planning to go Zer0 for co-op, Leish?

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 19 2012,04:22

So yesterday i sign in and put in the code for my "premier club" membership and low and behold i get 2 golden keys!

I then found this on thier forums a bit later on. Leisher, if you said you were having problems maybe this will help

Shift is our way to reward fans like you with additional in-game items for Borderlands 2, such as Golden Keys, loot, and other goodies.

My understanding is that you get a bonus Golden Key only if you link your Shift account to any given platform (PSN, Steam Xbox 360) from within Borderlands 2 -- not the site itself. Upon linking your Shift account from in-game (Main Menu -> Extras -> Shift Code) the Golden Key is automatically added to your inventory not sent as a code in a separate e-mail.

We're working to clarify the details on both the Shift site and in the confirmation e-mails we send out.

i've read that alot of people are having troubles with this whole "shift" signup and getting in the premier club. So here is their forums link, there is lots of information to be found on there.

< http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/forumdisplay.php?f=139 >

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 19 2012,06:15

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Planning to go Zer0 for co-op, Leish?

I don't know about him for co-op. I think I could use him again, but I'd build him differently.

Right now I'm building him with Melee in mind. The goal is to walk into battles invisible, kill someone, go invisible again, and repeat until everyone is dead.

However, in co-op I'd build him as a sniper.

Speaking of co-op, I'm willing and able, but I'd have to do it outside of LoL. I'm trying to get Gordo to give the game a try. He just bought the original...

Are you on my Steam list Malcolm? My tag there is Leisher just like here.

I love that they really upped the dialogue in this game. The one liners that the enemy and Claptrap drop are hilarious.

Going to the console thing, you'll need every bit of the aiming assistant you can get. The psychos move differently in this game, and actually duck and weave. I have moments of difficulty with the accurate mouse. I can't imagine how tough it'd be on a thumb stick.

Last night when I launched the game everything popped up for me. I got my Gearbox weapons, I got my key, etc.

So I don't know if I need this "Shift" thing, but I'll check it out.

By the way, let's set a rule right now: NO SPOILERS in this thread!!!!

One of us is bound to get way ahead in the game, so don't ruin anything for folks farther back in the story.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 19 2012,08:15

Not on Steam. My game doesn't ship for another 10 days or so (bought other things with it).

My buddy got this yesterday, so I saw a bit of the gameplay. I also saw him walk up to a golden chest (him unaware, me fully aware) and open it with his key, which was kind of funny, but also kind of informative.

He's going with the Siren, Maya. Was around level 7-10 when I saw him, but she looks to be the most versatile for skills -- healer, damage, or crowd control. Doesn't look like there are gun types tied to classes anymore, nor separate gun skills. On the flip side, being able to choose your quest rewards is awesome.

Up until he opened the golden chest, he was barely getting by solo'ing critters half his level. The psychos do indeed move like psychos, too. I always figured doing Moxxxi's DLC on the original Borderlands would be ten times easier with a mouse and keyboard. However, once he started brandishing the purple weapons, most everything except the most heavily armoured critters were dropping in 3-4 shots. Difference was night and day.

EDIT: After watching about five minutes of game footage last night, I said, "For the third one, they ought to get me or the dude that does Bender's voice to be Claptrap."

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 19 2012,08:21

As for co-op, I've got loads of experience with turret dude from the original, I'm sure turret dude in the sequel isn't too different. It'd be either him or the zerker.

EDIT: Holy jeebus, turret dude's defensive + heavy offense skill trees look like they'd be insanely destructive. 2x turrets plus 2x guns w\ slag bullets plus missile volleys.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 19 2012,08:27

Once i got to the golden chest i just turned off the game. The urge to open it right then and there was too much for me to handle. But since i've got 2 keys now, i'll prolly just go ahead and open it up when i get to level 10.

It will be a nice early weapon to use for my other characters i use and should be good till level 15-20 im guessing. Then i plan on using the other one at around level 20. After that purple guns should be pretty common.

Im level 8 right now and i've already found a purple pistol that shoots lobbing fire shots. Pretty cool with its scope on i can lob a shot or two in an area and watch them phychos burn and soften em up.

I decided to go with the Gunzerker just so i could lay waste and be tanky at the same time. But i must admit, its been pretty hard playing him solo. His Gunzerk mode is incredibly innacurate at such a low level, but if you do happen to put some rounds on someone, GOODNIGHT!

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 19 2012,10:53

I haven't seen the Golden Chest yet...

Although, I've only played about 3 hours total. I've gone though, and I assume he represents the main quest. So through the intro, and have completed a few missions in the first town. I have NOT gone very far with Claptrap my guess is that's where I'll see the Golden Chest.

I'm also kind of a completionist, so I take my time going through games as I want to see everything. I'll get to the chest when I get there. Hopefully, I'll have two golden keys when I get there.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 19 2012,11:12

The chests are in a place called Sanctuary. It's a city and they call it out by name. Pay attention when you're there, especially if you put your brain on autopilot when looting containers. There's no prompt for, "Do you want to use your key," or anything. It just opens.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 19 2012,11:15

Thanks for the tip. I have not reached Sanctuary yet.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 19 2012,11:27

There is a tiny little icon that pops up next to it when you approach it, but if you're not paying attention you prolly wont see it.

It is located by the "new you" station in sanctuary, it should be pretty obvioius if your aware of this.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 19 2012,16:11

This is why I don't co-op with people here. Some are already playing the game and will know it before going through it as a group. I'd hate my first time through to be tainted by someone knowing when to duck and what room to not go into because they've already been there.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 19 2012,21:42

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Borderlands is too awesome to sit around and wait for people to maybe get on around 11 so you can play it.

It's also entirely too large to co-op unless you're dedicated.

It's also so much fun that you'll play through it multiple times as different classes.

I get what you're saying, but I don't really agree. When Stranger and I co-oped the first one, I'm pretty sure he already played through most of it, but that didn't affect his enjoyment. Didn't affect mine as I played through it myself first on X-Box and then on the PC.

Anyway, the point is if we actually had a group of folks who wanted to go through it, it's the best co-op shooter ever. Period. Nothing else is close. You'd have one of each class bringing different specialties to the fights. The monsters and loot are jacked up to reflect four players in game. It makes sense to divide loot up to make sure the guy who needs to sniper rifle, gets the sniper rifles, etc.

I've just arrived in Sanctuary, and I found the golden chest. Haven't opened it.

I've barely scratched the game, and I'm already excited about my next playthrough with the turret guy.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 19 2012,21:48

Yeah, this is a pretty big glitch. I hope it happens to me.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 20 2012,06:06

< 10+ hour Torque expansion rumor. >

< Minecraft Easter Egg in BL2. > (Spoilers might be at that last video. I didn't notice any, but just be warned.)

Also, thanks Stranger. I got my 2nd golden key last night by signing up for Shift. Now I just need to figure out when to use one of them...

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 20 2012,06:53

I opened my first box at level 10 last night. Got 2 purple grenade mods... they are nice and do some good damage, but no special effects or elemental damage of any sorts. so meh... kind of a bummer there.

I also got onto xbox live and tried the co-op for the first time. Matchmaking is really easy and its easy to find people that are on the same level as you and even at the same part of the story as you are.

Obviously you are at the mercy of whomever you get pair with. I actually got lucky and joined a game with someone that wasn't a stupid ass kid and we worked together well at getting objectives done and sharing weapons. As we kept playing other players would drop in and out and it had no effect on us playing our game but the difficulty ramped up pretty significantly.

This game really shines when the multiplayer madness gets going. Needless to say, there is a neverending stream of enemies to kill so teamwork is really important, cause you're gonna die, alot. But your teammates can revive you so the fights have a nice ebb and flow if you know how each character works.

I play the Salvador and the other guy was playing zero, at one time we had two zero's and two zerkers playing at the same time and WOW, the action on screen was insane. Playing solo just doesn't do this game justice, i'm only level 14 right now and i must say this game outdoes the first one by a mile, enemies are much harder and smarter and the story is hilarious.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 20 2012,07:29

There's no way in fucking hell I'll randomly co-op. That's like jamming your dick in a garbage disposal and hoping it doesn't get sliced off.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 20 2012,07:39

Stranger is a big fan of solo queue in LoL too.

I think he's a swinger.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 20 2012,07:42

That's a good way to get video game AIDS.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 20 2012,07:59

The great thing about Borderlands is that if you don't like it you can drop out at any time. No penalty, no reporting, no trolling. Jump in and out at your will, it doesn't effect anyone else.

Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 20 2012,08:08

So it's more like Chat Roulette, then.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 20 2012,08:49

I played the first BL, with all of the expansions as part of a group of four. We only played it when the rest of the group was available. So, we co-oped the entire game, with no one moving ahead, or being left behind. And it didn't take that long. It really is the only way to play these games. You guys are like a bunch of little kids just ripping into everything on Christmas morning and not enjoying the full experience because you just can't wait. I can't imagine playing a co-op game like this one by myself.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 20 2012,09:57

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First of all, why are you here trying to give us shit if you've already got three people to play with? Go play with them, and stop being negative towards this group. Perhaps if you actually tried to play with this group, you'd have more success. I don't ever remember you wanting to co-op Borderlands, and I've mentioned that I was up for playing L4D2 co-op, but you never asked me to join in.

Secondly, you play LoL almost every single night with people from this forum.

Third, BL2 is massive. By all accounts it's much larger than the first game. It's going to take some time to get through. Randomly getting on some nights, not others, getting on at 11, then bitching when others have to log off at 1, etc. isn't going to cut it.

Fourth, this thread was full of co-op talk, and not once did you interject to say anything like, "Hey let's co-op this game", and instead you have simply said things like, "this is why I don't co-op with this group."

Fifth, this is just a mess from start to finish:

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It really is the only way to play these games. You guys are like a bunch of little kids just ripping into everything on Christmas morning and not enjoying the full experience because you just can't wait. I can't imagine playing a co-op game like this one by myself.

You're not seriously trying to dictate to people how they should play games are you?

We could go on for days about why a person might choose to play alone. Perhaps they're too excited because the Borderlands series is awesome? Perhaps they don't mind actually using a product they spent their money on even if it means seeing the story before their friends? Perhaps they want to create various characters for use in solo play, and co-op, and maybe not just a single co-op group? Perhaps they don't want to have someone criticizing their play and talking over some of the game's one liners? Perhaps they want to explore the world as much as possible and find easter eggs instead of making a mad dash through missions? Maybe they don't mind playing through the game more than once?

Seriously, a million different reasons.

Let me ask you this: Sex is the ultimate co-op experience, right? (If you answered "no" you're doing it wrong.) So why do people still masturbate even though they have a partner willing and able?

Because sometimes it's easier to do things alone, and the end result, when you factor out all the headaches, can be more enjoyable.

In my case, this is the first game in YEARS that I've purchased at full price. I'm choosing to not sit on my thumbs, and wait for Malcolm's to be shipped, Stranger to get a PC, Gordo to play through the first one, or for you to stop complaining about us, and actually suggest some co-op.

Others here are in the same boat as you'd know if you read the entire thread.

Now if you want to stop putting us down, and instead start suggesting co-op I'm listening. Malcolm wants to co-op, and I'm sure we could talk Gordon into it too. I'd be more than happy to create a brand new character, and not say shit about anything that occurs in game.

And let's be honest, just how far into the game do you think I'm going to progress when I get about 2-3 hours a week that isn't spent on family, work, or LoL?

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 20 2012,10:44

I'm not even remotely worried about having a character "get held back" or whatever by co-op play. So what? You can always keep a dude on the sidelines for that so everyone's sync'd up. I also guarantee I'll play through this with at least a couple different classes, so I'm not even worried about clashing character classes during co-op.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 20 2012,16:05

I've stopped trying to co-op since Diablo 2 came out. One of the last games I paid full price for. By the time we all got it and were ready to go, you (Leisher) had already beat it. It instantly killed any attempt to co-op it. And, as you know, it never was. Knowing the history of playing ahead by this group, I've never attempted to get a co-op group together. You guys don't subscribe to the same play style. You play the game solo, then replay it co-op with spoilers. It would be too easy for you to ruin something, either by accident, or out of frustration (because we can't figure it out and you already know the solution). All of the exciting revelations during the game are at risk of being ruined when you co-op with someone who's played it already.

And I will be playing with my old BL group. Right after we finish L4D2 (which you played through once, maybe even twice before I even bought the game) and Neverwinter Nights 2. Yes, those are old games. But, I bet they are still going to be fun to play, even today. Then BL2 will be on sale and we'll buy and play that, and have just as much fun as you are now, for half the price. We might even have MORE fun with all the updates and bugs removed. And it's not like we are sitting around doing nothing between games. There are years worth of games in our Steam libraries that we can solo play.

LoL is hardly co-op. It's multiplayer. Not co-op. There's nothing you could do that would ruin the storyline. Because there isn't one!

I'm not dictating how you HAVE to play. I'm saying that the game is much more fun when playing with other people. BL is built to be co-oped. And to play it any other way is removing a whole section of the game's fun. Yes, you can play by yourself and have fun. But it's MORE fun when played with others. The first time through a game (with a good story) is always best the first time through. And dropping co-op for the first run through is nuts, in my opinion. Why remove that part of the game?!?

So, in summary:
1. I learned LONG ago that this group does not wait for the rest of the group. Busting ass through the game solo is > co-oping for some reason.
2. If a game is built to be co-oped, then it should be. Playing it any other way is handicapping the amount of fun you can have with the game. Still fun? Yes. Less fun? Yes.
3. Not dictating how you should play. Saying you are crazy for playing the way you play! Again, soloing a co-op game is gimping the fun level.
4. I didn't participate in, or try to organize, a co-op session here because I know you don't subscribe to 1-3. And that's why I don't co-op with this group. Except for Gordon. He has the ability/desire to subscribe to 1-3.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 20 2012,16:24

Yeah, I really am pretty great.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 20 2012,18:04

(Cakedaddy @ Sep. 20 2012,18:05)

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So, in summary:
1. I learned LONG ago that this group does not wait for the rest of the group. Busting ass through the game solo is > co-oping for some reason.
2. If a game is built to be co-oped, then it should be. Playing it any other way is handicapping the amount of fun you can have with the game. Still fun? Yes. Less fun? Yes.
3. Not dictating how you should play. Saying you are crazy for playing the way you play! Again, soloing a co-op game is gimping the fun level.
4. I didn't participate in, or try to organize, a co-op session here because I know you don't subscribe to 1-3. And that's why I don't co-op with this group. Except for Gordon. He has the ability/desire to subscribe to 1-3.

In response to all of that, the amount of effort it would take to coordinate four people going through a game only when all schedules allowed ... fucking Christ, that would take FOREVER. It'd almost need to be intentionally managed.

As for the spoiling things, damn, do you make sure all the people you see movies with haven't seen them either? I can't even imagine what listening to music is like.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 21 2012,00:35

I've multi'd plenty of games with my core group.

Neverwinter Nights
L4D
Titan Quest
BL

That's some that jumps to mind. I know there have been others. It's not that hard to coordinate. The games are fun. People WANT to play them. It's not like we are pulling teeth. We play LoL every night, because it's fun. That could just as easily be any other game out there. The 'overhead' of coordinating multiplay is exaggerated here.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 21 2012,04:28

The first Serious Sam.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 21 2012,07:58

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This is completely wrong.

Diablo sucks. That's why I didn't get too into co-oping it. I never found that game to be much fun at all. I just didn't see the point. At the time, I was far more into FPS games.

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Knowing the history of playing ahead by this group, I've never attempted to get a co-op group together. You guys don't subscribe to the same play style. You play the game solo, then replay it co-op with spoilers. It would be too easy for you to ruin something, either by accident, or out of frustration (because we can't figure it out and you already know the solution). All of the exciting revelations during the game are at risk of being ruined when you co-op with someone who's played it already.

This is also bullshit.

Sorry, but trying to co-op Diablo, and not succeeding shouldn't equal "quit forever". That's a bitch attitude.

We've played Duke Nukem, Total Annihilation, Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, that one Triad game (remember that?), various Command & Conquer games, League of Legends, Team Fortress 1 & 2, Counter Strike, EVE (some more than others), Serious Sam 2, etc.

I even tried playing Neverwinter Nights with you guys, but stopped after the first night was 3 hours of making zero progress in game, and just standing around fighting each other (in game) or fucking around with items, spells, etc. You want to talk about no fun at all...

The point is: show me a history of us not having time to game. You can't because we play together all the time. So that negates that entire aspect of your argument.

It also invalidates the concept of getting all these folks together as being impossible. It's not. It can be done, but people have to try. So while I agree with you that there isn't that much overhead into getting people together, I'm saying that you aren't even bothering to try. At least when it comes to me, and the denizens of these forums.

And to be fair, who has been the biggest question mark in LoL over the past year? You. If we said the last few months it'd be Stranger, but over the year, you're the one who has had the most internet/computer issues. You're the only one who won't get on the forums and indicate if you'll be on that night. Gordo and I have spent countless nights chatting in Steam or sitting there with the game launched while doing other things only to have you never get online. Or, and this is even better, we've waited while you finished playing some other game, like L4D2.

Now that's not suggesting that you're the only person who makes us wait, doesn't show up, etc., but you're definitely the champ of it.

While you play with your "core group" because we "ruin games", I've co-oped through multiple Halos and Borderlands with Stranger. Guess what? I went through all those stories for the first time while playing with him.

The only reason he and I aren't playing through Borderlands 2 is because he's on the X-Box version, and I bought the PC version.

I've also begged folks around here to co-op L4D and then L4D2. Two games that I would like to point out take about 15 minutes per level, and are meant to be played over and over again, not just once through. So suggesting someone shouldn't go through them first is like saying someone should play a game of Madden before multiing it because they will spoil the ending...

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Your opinions are meaningless when it comes to co-op. Any game that can be played by 1 or more people means it's as legit when 1 person is playing it or more than one. The only exception to this are games like LoL. If it's a story driven game though, solo is just fine.

Sometimes folks just want to game alone, or nobody else is interested in playing that game, so they punch through alone. Did you never play Diablo II just because nobody would play with you?

Considering me, you, and Gordo are the only folks on these forums who have been around since the beginning, and played all the games I listed, #4 is about me, not "this group", particularly since you removed Gordo from the equation.

We game constantly. CONSTANTLY. Yet you want to make excuses about why we don't "co-op" and blame it on me. Seriously, what other games have you ever tried to co-op with me in particular? (I should point out that Serious Sam 2 was co-op, but that doesn't count because our success there doesn't fit your argument.)

At the end of the day, this is all about you.

YOU don't want anyone playing through the game before YOU. YOU are worried that someone might leak a spoiler. YOU aren't going to pay full price at the moment, so YOU expect people who are dying to play this game to wait for YOU to get around to buying it and playing it.

Everyone needs to play on YOUR schedule and YOUR way.

Seriously though, it's all my fault. You once tried to "co-op" Diablo II with me, and I didn't have my heart into it. Ignore the YEARS of co-op and multi-gaming we've done since.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 21 2012,09:26

Hey, lets keep this a thread about Borderlands!! not about your past experiences with co-op gaming. If ya don't like it SO WHAT! no hair off our ass.

But if i can put in my 2 cents i would say this. Borderlands is about the LOOT! Its about finding them truely rare weapons that make your game experiance that much more fun. So yes, its kinda like christmas cause you never know whats in that next chest, or what that boss is gonna drop.

So knowing the story in advance has no bearing whatsoever on the enjoyment of the game. Infact, after the first playthough they ramp up the difficulty for the second and i've even heard the third for B2. And the weapon drops are even better for those playthroughs. Yes, B2 has a story, and its much better than the first...

Ahh fuck it!! i don't need to explain this game to someone who doesn't get it. I enjoy it and thats all i really care about. Sure, i wish i was co-op with Leisher, he's one of my best friends (love you Leisher!) but i don't have that choice right now. But i'm not letting that ruin my experiance.

So back to Borderlands. Anyone find a sweet new weapon yet?

Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 21 2012,16:04

No. I never played Diablo 2 because I didn't have anyone to co-op it with.

You and I co-oped Diablo, until you quit to play UO. We were going to co-op Baulder's Gate, but Gordon ruined that. After we all spent however long it was to create our characters, go through the tutorials, etc. Gordon decided it would be more fun to start killing all the towns folk, and then us. I think we tried one more time after that with Gordon promising not to be a griefer. But that time fell apart too because we never did co-op it. Another game I bought but never played because my co-op partners ditched me. Yes, we co-oped Serious Sam 2. The rest of those games are multi player. Not co-op. You don't co-op with someone through Command and Conquer, Eve, TA, etc. And speaking of UO, I don't remember the early days of EA UO. I remember spending all of my time with Gordon pushing the stick so that we were big enough to play with everyone else. By the time we were, I think you were done with the game. Most recently, when we were playing on that player run server, we were all playing out of the forge. You bought your own house outside of Brit and spent hours playing by yourself. I think we were on the same screen maybe 5 times for about 2 minutes each. Point being, besides SS2, those games are horrible examples of co-op. Because they aren't. We didn't cooperatively play through C&C games. In fact, I'd say it was the exact opposite! Unless you and Gordon cooperatively ganged up on me every game. And then it still doesn't count. I'll also point out that I never played the story lines of those games. I only skirmished. That was the only reason I played those games, and the only way I played them.

I have not once said that we don't game together. Not once. I have said that we don't co-op together. Out of all the co-op games that have come and gone, how many have we actually co-oped? A very very very small percentage.

I would love to co-op games with you. However, you would never play by my rules. So it could never work out. I'm not the only one with these rules. I remember when NW2 came out. We discussed co-oping it here. But, as soon as it came out, Vince and I believe you both bought it and immediately played through it. Even Gordon didn't want to co-op with you guys at that point.

There was ONE night where I was playing L4D2 since we started playing LoL.

You golf. You have poker night. You have kids you put to bed late. You are up at the lake. We wait on you more than I think you realize. I'll keep the title of Champ (because I'm the best at everything I do!). But you have your own issues. I'll say here what I said to Gordon one night "Tell Leisher to pretend I was golfing last night".

And I would say this is about both of us. You have very loose rules when it comes to co-op. I have very strict rules. My core group believes in those, and you and Stranger believe in yours. Should I try to suggest you not play BL2 until the whole group is ready? Would that have been possible? I am ALL about mulit/co-op gaming. If you check my logs, you'll see that 80% of my gaming is done in one form of mulit or another. If I knew without a doubt that you'd play by my rules, I would buy BL2 right now and we'd multi it. But you don't want to. We have differing views on this. So, I don't try. I'd be happy to co-op L4D with you, since I've already been through it. But we won't because there are better games to play.

To me, soloing a good co-op game is like playing a flight simulator without a joystick. I would buy ANY game to co-op with people. It's my favorite type of game. But if my partners ditched me, the game would never be played again, unless I found a new group. I love flight sims and buy them all the time. But if my joystick broke and they stopped making joysticks, those games would never be played again.

So, you can blame me for not co-oping. That's fine. But it just comes down to us having different views on the subject. I have my rules and you have yours and they don't mix.

Stranger:
"This is about BL2, not co-oping! Stop talking about it! But here's my two cents. . . ."
And I think you are crazy to say that BL2 is about the loot and then the storyline. You are almost implying that BL2 doesn't need a storyline because it has loot. If there's no point to opening the chest, you are just grinding for the sake of grinding. And that's only fun for so long. You have to have a story line pushing you to open that next chest.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 21 2012,17:05

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You have to have a story line pushing you to open that next chest.

No, I just need a wave of critters coming at me that force me to look for a better gun.

On a completely unrelated note, a certain package arrived today. Let's see if it installs.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 21 2012,17:25

My first exposure to Steam is it tacking on about an hour of install time with its fucking updates. I'm starting out with a real "fuck you" kind of feeling towards it.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 21 2012,18:10

First impression of Steam's UI is complete and total ass for response time. Can't find you via search, Leish. I'm EchoVerbatim. Try to look me up. Maybe the bandwidth is just fucked because it's downloading.

EDIT: Holy fuck, search just pulled its head out of its ass.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 21 2012,20:26

In partial defense of Cake, the main reason I can think of co-op exclusively is the battles are more intense. There's no fucking difficulty slider.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 22 2012,09:32

Fucking invisible mouse cursor. Finally figured it out.

Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 22 2012,12:08

Who needs DMX when we've got Malcolm?

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 24 2012,07:51

When's this co-op thing kicking off and who's in? I'd prefer to field a team of four for obvious reasons.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 25 2012,08:56

I used my second gold key at level 20. i got 2 class mods, one for the Zer0 and the other for Maya. They look really usefull but im playing with Salvadore. So both my keys netted me a few crappy items. Bummer...

But i did find a corrosive fastball grenade with the red text that says "Forget the curveball Ricky. Give 'em the heater!"

How cool is that?! a game that takes quotes from the greatest movie of all time... Major League!!

Oh yeah, i should add that when you throw it, its not the typical lob. It comes flying outta your hand like a 100 mph fastball!! so cool..

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 25 2012,12:48

Completely forgot about this thread, I apologize.

Let me quick hit points for Cake, and then I'll address the new stuff in a different post. So unless you're Cake, you can probably skip this.

-I did quit Diablo for UO. I don't apologize for that, but I do apologize for not explaining further my distaste for the series when discussing co-oping Diablo II.
-What I said about NWN2? I was wrong. THIS is my co-op experience with you guys in a long RPG, and why I didn't return.
-You keep saying "you guys". Who is "you guys"? It's me. Who else was around back then?
-Co-Op vs. Multi is Tomato Tomatoe to me. The point is that we're playing together online. Just because we're on different teams or not fighting the AI doesn't mean it couldn't be a co-op game.
-I was around a lot with you guys in the official UO, but with the second go around I was never on when you guys were on. I knew I wouldn't commit to it fully as it wasn't the same, which is why I tried to do my own thing. I didn't want you guys to waste resources on me.
-99% sure I never received an invite to play NW2. Didn't even know there was interest in doing so, and if there was, see what I said four points ago.
-You playing L4D when LoL was going wasn't an issue. It was the fact that I had mentioned it about a million times in the forums, but never got an invite. Worrying about spoilers in that game is like being pissed at the weather man because he told you what time the sun is coming up tomorrow.
-I do golf and play poker and all that fun stuff. However, why is anyone waiting for me on those nights? I stated a long time ago that I would NOT get on those nights. The fact that I do sometimes is because I'm leaving the bar early or skipping euchre to come play LoL instead. So no, nobody should be waiting for me those nights. The point I was making is that I'm pretty up front about my schedule. Ditto for Gordon. You're not as good. Most nights when we don't play, I'm usually watching TV or playing something else while Gordon and I exchange messages in Steam chat about how gay everyone else is...
-Telling someone how to enjoy a game is like telling them the correct way to eat a peanut butter cup. If a game says 1-4 people, guess how many folks can play it... You can say whatever you want about enjoyment, but to some people, getting a group together and waiting to play something you're really excited to play might be a bigger hassle and headache than it's worth.
-If someone doesn't want spoilers, I will not spoil anything for them. Please don't assume that I, or anyone else here, can't keep a secret. I've got a whole movie forum full of spoiler free reviews to prove my point.

And just so we don't keep going back and forth on this since it's not really a debate, and it's exhausting to read through and type this stuff...please allow me to summarize:

Instead of coming here and bashing everyone for not playing co-ops your way and assigning us all the personalities of walking spoilers who aren't fit to co-op with you based on...well, you haven't really presented ANY evidence aside from Gordo ruining Baldur's Gate, but somehow he was still worthy to co-op with...

Anyway, if you see a game that interests you, post about it. Send out the co-op invitation. I've got no problem NOT playing through a game. In fact, if you've noticed the game I've been playing recently, it's been FEAR 3. Why? Because I knew Malcolm was getting his copy of Borderlands 2 soon and wants to co-op. I wasn't even 10% of the way through it. I've also seriously given thought to joining Gordo in Borderlands, but Malcolm asked, and Gordo never did, so...next post...

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 25 2012,12:50

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When's this co-op thing kicking off and who's in? I'd prefer to field a team of four for obvious reasons.

I'm in.

Cake claims if we didn't play through, he'd come down off his high horse and join us. We'll see, although I don't want to spend the next year trying to get through the main storyline...

Who would the fourth be? I don't know. Maybe Gordo if he likes BL? TPR? Catt? Anyone?

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That sucks. It should be at least something specific to your class or a weapon you use a lot.

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But i did find a corrosive fastball grenade with the red text that says "Forget the curveball Ricky. Give 'em the heater!"

How cool is that?! a game that takes quotes from the greatest movie of all time... Major League!!

Oh yeah, i should add that when you throw it, its not the typical lob. It comes flying outta your hand like a 100 mph fastball!! so cool..

That's awesome.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 25 2012,14:14

I've only played 3 of the 4 classes. Gotten as far as meeting Sir Hammerlock. Knowing that gameplay is easier and less interesting when I'm solo'ing is what's keeping me from progressing further. It'd be like playing Thief on the easiest difficulty level -- you just miss too damn much because the cool objectives are hidden unless you jack it up to maximum. I've got Fallout for single player fun, too.

I might be able to pull in another person or two, but I'm not sure. Their schedules are unpredictable. Mine, apart from weekends, tends to suck as well, at least recently.

The archiver in me won't let me burn the gold key knowing that it might not be items pertinent to my class, and it's just purple.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 26 2012,06:27

I will probably jump in. Burning through the first game as fast as I can, so I will know the story behind 2. Currently level 18.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 26 2012,06:42

That's 3 out of 4 players.

Cake?

Stranger is pissed that he isn't playing on PC right about now

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 26 2012,07:07

(GORDON @ Sep. 26 2012,08:27)

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I will probably jump in. Burning through the first game as fast as I can, so I will know the story behind 2. Currently level 18.

Story...

There are things that come at you and try to kill you. You blast them. Occasionally, they have smaller things you pick up. All things ultimately translate to guns/ammo/grenades.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 26 2012,07:37

(Malcolm @ Sep. 26 2012,10:07)

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(GORDON @ Sep. 26 2012,08:27)

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I will probably jump in. Burning through the first game as fast as I can, so I will know the story behind 2. Currently level 18.

Story...

There are things that come at you and try to kill you. You blast them. Occasionally, they have smaller things you pick up. All things ultimately translate to guns/ammo/grenades.

Malcolm's review of Aliens:

Bitch wakes up. Goes on a cruise where the cornbread isn't very good. Solves problems with violence. Game over, man.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 26 2012,11:15

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I will probably jump in. Burning through the first game as fast as I can, so I will know the story behind 2. Currently level 18.

Play faster.

Sledge isn't that far into the game.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 26 2012,11:26

(Leisher @ Sep. 26 2012,14:15)

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I will probably jump in. Burning through the first game as fast as I can, so I will know the story behind 2. Currently level 18.

Play faster.

Sledge isn't that far into the game.

Killed Sledge last night after LOL.

Currently level 20... just reopened the "Fast Travel" system.

Vehicle combat is fun.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 26 2012,12:20

If you're looking for a story in the first Borderlands, you're not gonna find it. Even the game developers have admitted that the first game was written terrible and it was one of the priorities in making B2. Sure it had some good comidic relief, but the story was really non existent and pretty hard to follow.

B2 has stepped it up and it is downright hilarious. You really don't need to play part one to understand part 2. But you will see some of the same characters from part one, so that will help in tying things together i guess.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 26 2012,12:37

So far the story is very interesting. I liked the journal of the scientist chick. At first she is excited about doing research, in the middle she is mocking the redneck, savage inhabitants of the planet, and at the end she is killing off the last of her colleagues and bathing in her juices, or some such thing.

And the local military leader is treating me as an invader, instead of a liberator... that's interesting.

And of course, the overarching search for "the vault."

There's obviously more going on here than it seems.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 26 2012,12:58

Fleshing out the game world with realistic details isn't the strong point of BL1 or 2.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 27 2012,07:15

I'll bring this up again so it doesn't get lose in the shuffle...

-I have completely stopped playing BL2, and was only into it as far as the first town. I'm ready to restart with a brand new character.

-Gordo is currently rushing through BL so he's up to date on the story.

-Malcolm is standing by ready to play. Although, I think he's farther in, so he'll have to promise to let the other three lead, so he doesn't give away any spoilers.

-Stranger would join us in a heartbeat if he had the PC version.

-Cake wants to play BL2, and would in a heartbeat if we played his way. Well, here we are...

-No idea if anyone else in the forums plays it or has interest?

So Malcolm and I are ready to go. I figure we'll wait until Gordo says he's finished BL and there's three. Whomever wants to be the 4th, please let us know.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 27 2012,07:21

I've made it up to about level 3, just in the first town as well, right after the first boss. Haven't made it to the point where the special abilities activate. Had to get used to the physics of the game (compared to the other Fallout physics hardwired into my brain) down, along with shaking out any annoying tech issues.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 27 2012,12:43

On October 7 I am starting a big project that is going to last 7-14 days, and am not going to have any time for gaming at all, more than likely.

So we might want to wait until after that.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 27 2012,15:20

(GORDON @ Sep. 27 2012,14:43)

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On October 7 I am starting a big project that is going to last 7-14 days, and am not going to have any time for gaming at all, more than likely.

So we might want to wait until after that.

I'm in no tremendous hurry. I don't plan to solo much on BG2. Like I said, I've got Fallout 1, 2, New Vegas, and BoS for that. Worst I might do is co-op with other folk in the meantime.

I'd still be down for playing with y'all because the dude I went through BG1 with, he's simply addicted to crowd control/mage-type classes. I'm not especially fond of tanks, so we were going through with Lilith and Roland in the first one. Not the greatest combo.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 27 2012,16:02

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On October 7 I am starting a big project that is going to last 7-14 days, and am not going to have any time for gaming at all, more than likely.

So we might want to wait until after that.

You'll have as much time as I tell you to have.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 28 2012,12:07

Cake is in.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 28 2012,13:15

(Leisher @ Sep. 28 2012,14:07)

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Cake is in.

Like the opposite of coming out?

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 28 2012,13:17

(Malcolm @ Sep. 28 2012,16:15)

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(Leisher @ Sep. 28 2012,14:07)

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Cake is in.

Like the opposite of coming out?

He did that a long time ago.

Posted by Stranger on Sep. 28 2012,13:35

have fun... wish i could play with ya'll.. (wipes tear from eye)

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 29 2012,10:25

The live action commercial I saw on the tv actually made me smile.

Best version I could find on the web.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 29 2012,10:40

How far are you in BL, G?

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 29 2012,10:54

Ummmm..... got stuck on the mission getting 10 cans of dog food to the dude with the scrap yard. All of a sudden my weapons weren't doing any damage to the bad guys. So, I went back and cleaned up every mission in Firestone, and the Arid Badlands. Obviously easy because of my higher levels, but I want to be completest, and maybe get another level or 2 before I go back to the dog food hunt.

Speaking of which, I started getting loot drops of these little sparkly balls that apparently give me neat abilities like "+2 to find rare loot," and stuff like that. I can't find these things in my inventory slots once I "use" them... so what... am I swallowing them? What's going on with those things?

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 29 2012,10:59

< All items in BL >. Don't know. Class mod? Artifacts?

EDIT: What class you playing? Shall we move this to the BG thread?

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 29 2012,11:00

Ahhh, "Artifacts." I get it now.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 29 2012,11:01

(Malcolm @ Sep. 29 2012,13:59)

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EDIT: What class you playing? Shall we move this to the BG thread?

Is there are BL1 thread? Sure, go there.

I am playing the chick (Siren?) because at first I thought it was a 3rd person game and I wanted to look at chick ass instead of dude ass.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 30 2012,09:35

Imported from the LoL thread...

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(GORDON @ Sep. 27 2012,11:08)

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(Malcolm @ Sep. 27 2012,10:14)

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I'm going to be out of town until tomorrow afternoon, but this weekend would be as good a time as any to kick off.

I assume you aren't going to let me wait until it is on sale.

I paid full price. It's the first game I've bought for full price in years.

BL2 was the first game I ever preordered, followed a couple days after by Wasteland 2.

New class also comes out in a couple weeks. I really want to see how that's going to shakedown. D347-TP looks awesome.

That's a robot the new class can summon to kick ass for her. Skills trees aren't released yet, either. One's supposed to be the tree infamously referred to by one of the devs as the "girlfriend tree," i.e., for folks that want to play with you but suck. Another's supposed to focus on Deathtrap. Don't know about the other.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 30 2012,11:17

I read an interview with the developers about the new class.

They say it's a class for "non-gamers to play". It apparently makes the game easier.

Not sure how, but they indicated that this is the class to have your girlfriend play if she doesn't play games, and you want her to try.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 30 2012,14:19

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Gaige's skill tree features player challenge level variances. This would make her both the easiest and the most difficult character to play.

Whatever the fuck that means.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 01 2012,09:39

Ive now made it to playthrough 2. I'm currently level 30, which seems to be about right cause the enemies at the beggining of part two start off at level 30 so i know im right on track.

I didn't finish all of the sidequests, cause there are soooo goddamn many of them and once i was about 5 levels above them i didn't see any reason to go back to them and earn hardly and xp and just get shitty guns that i would never use anyways.

I did manage to find 2 legendary gold weapons.. A level 25 rocket launcher that fires 11 shots at once and only cost one rocket to fire. Holy shit this thing does some serious damage! i suspect this weapon will be useful till about level 35 or so and then the enemies will prolly just laugh at that pussy ass shit. The second weapon is a level 31 shotgun that im not totally sure what does yet. Im not at that level. So at least i will have a couple of legendaries for the middle levels for any other characters that i create, cause you can store your weapons for your others to use.

This game is pretty damn tough, and be prepared to die alot. One of the the bosses took a group of 4 of us almost 40 minutes to kill!! do not try and fight enemies and quests that are more than 2 or 3 levels above you. We fought a badass constructor which was about 5 levels above us and basically got our asses handed to us. Constructors aren't even bosses! You will get owned!!

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 01 2012,10:21

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I didn't finish all of the sidequests, cause there are soooo goddamn many of them and once i was about 5 levels above them i didn't see any reason to go back to them and earn hardly and xp and just get shitty guns that i would never use anyways.

I hit those up right away specifically for better items.

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A level 25 rocket launcher that fires 11 shots at once and only cost one rocket to fire.

My least favourite weapon type from BL1. The reloads on them take forever. By the time I got off a salvo, whatever I was shooting at either charged me or was firing back with something that reloaded lots faster.

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One of the the bosses took a group of 4 of us almost 40 minutes to kill!!

Terramorphus?

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 01 2012,10:36

I agree with rocket launchers being shitty in the first, But they are much harder hitting this time. Therefore the rocket ammo is much more scarce and pretty damn expensive to buy. But if you find a good one, they are nice for getting you out of a pinch.

And i won't comment on the boss that took that long since there are a few people on these boards that might consider it a spoiler. Not that i think it is, but somebody is really sensitive to knowing anything and i don't wanna ruin that for them.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 01 2012,10:42

(Stranger @ Oct. 01 2012,12:36)

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I agree with rocket launchers being shitty in the first, But they are much harder hitting this time. Therefore the rocket ammo is much more scarce and pretty damn expensive to buy.

Except in the very early going, ammo price was never an issue. I also think Salvador has a class mod which affects team ammo regeneration. Once I had that going in BL1, ammo was never an issue again.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 01 2012,11:30

i run Salvador and he has many ways of increasing his magazine size, ammo capacity and ammo regen. So no, i don't have any problems with running outta ammo at my level. Early game was a different story tho. I also don't have any problems with buying it, but if you are in a place that you are dying alot then you will lose your bankroll pretty fast. You just need to be at a place that has an ammo station, cause if you're out in the middle of a quest you're not gonna have much luck finding the rocket ammo.

And also, when in gunzerker mode salvador steadily regens all his ammo... except rockets!! kinda sucks but if he did then you would never need another weapon cause they are that strong.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 02 2012,08:00

10% off at Amazon, or so my e-mail leads me to believe. I'd bet Steam is going to have a discount on it at some point, though.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 02 2012,13:45

Green Man Gaming has/had it for 37.50 after discounts and coupons.

I'm going to upgrade my video card, and buy one that comes with BL2.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 02 2012,14:51

Well, according to Gordon you have until somewhere around the21st.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 02 2012,14:57

(Leisher @ Oct. 02 2012,17:51)

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Well, according to Gordon you have until somewhere around the21st.

Yeah we're going to be busy. If anyone has energy for gaming for those 2 weeks then we aren't working hard enough.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 03 2012,09:55

If any of you guys follow twitter, Randy Pitchford (@DuvalMagic) from gearbox is giving away Shift codes that are good for a free gold key, there are different codes for each platform.

Be aware that these are time sensitive and the codes are only good for 2 hours at a time. He just posted some codes that will be good from 2pm till 4pm EST. Kinda sucks since most of us are at work. But he did say there is a good chance that more codes will be made available this evening, so be on the lookout.

I have read on the forums that he has done this a few times and they have had mixed results cause the "Shift" system is still getting all the bugs out. But im reading that this is something they wanna be able to implement more in the future too. So if you don't already have one, might as well make a twitter account and follow this guy for some free shit.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 03 2012,10:12

The hell's a Shift code?

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 03 2012,10:44

when you're in the main menu of the game you go to extras or something and there is a "Shift" signup. Basically you just put your e-mail address in and you're linked up. I did it when i first got the game so i can't be sure exactly what area of the menu its under. but if you look around you will find it.

Basically you just need to have a Shift account and then when you get the code you enter it ingame. But like i said earlier, its definetly a work in process as Gearbox is working out all the kinks. But Randy Pitchford has mentioned bigger and better things through the Shift codes when its up and running correctly.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 03 2012,10:48

Yeah, but what is it, actually? What's the Shift system? What's its purpose?

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 03 2012,10:58

im not really sure what the purpose is. Im guessing a way to give stuff away for promotions. Cause when i signed up originally i got a second gold key, and i believe Leisher said he did too. It's a bit confusing to everybody right now. But hey, if they are gonna give free stuff away, im in.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 03 2012,11:00

(Stranger @ Oct. 03 2012,12:58)

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Isn't that how the Joker took out all those people in Gotham during a parade a couple decades ago?

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 05 2012,10:49

Ordered it. $38 on Amazon, + $4 to ship, - $11 free money from my Amazon Visa card. $30 total.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 05 2012,10:59

11 days til the new class gets shipped.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 05 2012,11:09

Probably 16 days until I have time to start playing it.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 09 2012,05:12

< http://www.joystiq.com/2012....ater-to >

Mechromancer is coming out a week early! you can download starting today

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 09 2012,09:22

Fucking awesome.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 09 2012,10:42

Skill trees look like crap for Gaige.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 09 2012,11:58

yeah, not sure what to think about it right now. but ill be giving her a test drive tonight to see what she's like.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 09 2012,12:33

When I first starting writing this post, I was kind of hating Gaige. As I started to read the skill descriptions, I've changed my opinion. She looks extremely promising, provided you think you can manage your combat stats beyond just gun choice and making sure you have enough ammo.

Best Friends Forever skill tree: boost Deathtrap. Makes sense.
Little Big Trouble skill tree: assloads of elemental damage/resist bonuses, plus more Deathtrap abilities. Alright, let's see about that third one.

Order Chaos skill tree: This has to be the "achievement/skill-based" tree I read about. There's a couple Deathtrap skills, but what's with these fucking anarchy and discord stacks? Why do 75% of the "skills" in this tree seem to leech from one ability and give to another?

Killing an enemy boosts my shield, but hurts my health? Wtf?

Anarchy stacks boost gun damage, but hurt accuracy. It's switched on by killing something, totally drained to zero once you reload before fully emptying a mag?

Discord is activated by reloading before your mag is empty? Boosts accuracy and fire rate. Alright, semi-interesting.

The midair jump shot that causes explosions? That's like pogo'ing with an automatic weapon, I guess.

A health leech melee attack that depends on anarchy and how low your remaining health is? Weird.

As the tree suggests, this is a seemingly random pile of crap boost/nerf give and take skills. But, with a bit of strategy, I could see it being a kill machine.

Anarchy: I suppose this'd be useful if Deathtrap is distracting a boss. You can unload on him at point blank while DT takes the heat. It has the effect of shotgun-ifying anything you're shooting. Guess it might be useful if you're zerg swarmed, too.

Discord: You get to boost either damage (anarchy) or you can go accuracy and rapid fire (discord).

Point blank fighting:
Health leech melee attack makes the "enemy kill = shield boost + health nerf" skill from earlier more interesting. You'll be losing shields, losing health, and killing things. Killing things means losing health (though not fatally I bet), gaining shields (which means your shield regen goes down dramatically), and then you can melee for more health based upon how little you have currently. You survive by killing in terms of volume to keep shields charged. This can be augmented either with the elemental damage tree or DT-boost tree. I guess you can jump around like a ping-pong ball and cause explosions with anarchy, too.

Distance fighting:
Sit back, use elemental damage and DT to kill everything.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 11 2012,09:48

< http://www.theverge.com/gaming....lc-hits >

The first of the four scheduled DLC's is coming out on the Oct. 16!! it includes,

-A new rarity/quality level for gear, “Seraph.” (There’s already: white, green, blue, purple, orange… and eTech (magenta)
-A Seraph Vendor who sells top-level gear, but only accepts Seraph crystals as payment
-A new hovercraft vehicle (and enemy hovercraft vehicles as well).
-New weapons to include: Rockets, Saws and Harpoons.
-A boss with a raid lockout whereby the boss is locked if one or more players have slain the boss already that day.

Lots of stuff for the first DLC. No mention on a level cap increase yet...

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 11 2012,10:41

I may have to buy the premiere club membership now. Goddamnit.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 11 2012,10:49

No, the premier club was only for the people that preordered the game. What you want is the season pass, you get all four of the DLC's as they come out for the price of three, ($30). I believe this deal will be ongoing and even after all four DLC's have been released you could still buy the season pass and get all four of them for cheaper than buying them individually. But this is just speculation so if you do plan on getting all DLC's then better buy them soon. I am.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 11 2012,11:08

(Stranger @ Oct. 11 2012,12:49)

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Oh yeah, that's the thing.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 13 2012,09:34

Arrived. Installing.

PROBABLY no time to really play for another week, though.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 13 2012,16:06

Downloading now.

Who's playing what class? Are we going to have a strategy (team comp) or just wing it?

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 13 2012,16:43

I played the Siren through the first game. By the end was pretty good with the Phase walk and SMG.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 13 2012,16:44

I began playing the sniper and could go that route again or the turret guy.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 13 2012,16:51

Where can one read and learn about the classes?

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 13 2012,16:54

I also enjoyed sniping a lot, too. That was my highest skill weapon class at the end.

No reason we can't all be good snipers. We can all plink peeps before we rush in.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 13 2012,16:59

(Cakedaddy @ Oct. 13 2012,18:51)

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Where can one read and learn about the classes?

< Here > and < here >.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 13 2012,17:18

(GORDON @ Oct. 13 2012,18:54)

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I also enjoyed sniping a lot, too. That was my highest skill weapon class at the end.

No reason we can't all be good snipers. We can all plink peeps before we rush in.

Unlike the first one, weapon types are not tied to particular classes. From what I can tell about classes and play styles...

Axton: support role. Lives and dies by the turret. All his skill trees focus on specializing the turret for one or more strategies. Anyone who's been Roland from BL1 has a proper idea. Axton is shitty front-liner and in between turret cooldowns is fucking useless.

Salvador: tank, front-liner. Just needs to keep firing and has skill trees to maximize ammo, minimize reload time, and absorb pain. The more lead he's slinging, the better. Minimizing cooldown for him is important.

Maya: rather versatile. Can go crowd control, elemental, or healer.

Zer0: stealth up close and personal or long range sniping. Not good at killing enemies en masse, but useful if you've got a specific target, like a boss, or you just want to pick off critters one by one. Unlike Lilith from BL1, he is vulnerable during stealth.

Gaige: I think she might be the most destructive character after Salvador. Has two normal skills tree (Deathtrap, elemental) and one weird-ass one which allows you to redistribute some gun attributes using early reload as a switch.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 13 2012,19:07

Does everyone have to have the DLC for someone in your party to play the 5th character.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 13 2012,19:24

I don't know. I know I got an extra skin or something since I had a BL1 saved game on my system. But it was really dumb looking so I didn't pick it when I built my Siren.

I will play the Siren.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 13 2012,20:57

(Cakedaddy @ Oct. 13 2012,21:07)

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Does everyone have to have the DLC for someone in your party to play the 5th character.

I see nothing that explicitly says everyone needs it.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 15 2012,15:23

Got the Season Pass today. DLC with new levels and such drops tomorrow. Season pass is $30 for that DLC plus three to-be-released ones. Otherwise, I bet they're $10-20 each when not on special and bought individually.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 16 2012,08:26

(Cakedaddy @ Oct. 13 2012,22:07)

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Does everyone have to have the DLC for someone in your party to play the 5th character.

There was a compatability patch that came along with the mechromancer download that allowed those without her to be able to co-op with someone else that did.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 21 2012,17:09

I'm ready when everyone else is.

Are we going to discuss team composition or just kill stuff as whatever character we want? I still have no idea which class I want to play.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 21 2012,19:36

(Cakedaddy @ Oct. 21 2012,19:09)

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I'm ready when everyone else is.

Are we going to discuss team composition or just kill stuff as whatever character we want? I still have no idea which class I want to play.

I'm ready whenever. I'd prefer as full a spread of classes as possible so as to abuse the widest range of class add-ons, abilities, skills, etc. as possible.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 21 2012,21:47

That's what I was thinking too. But then, I've been accused of having dumb gaming 'rules' and didn't know if everyone would be like "dude. It's borderlands. Just kill shit."

So, since I have no idea, or preference, I'll wait to see what others are picking and fill in where needed, I think.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 22 2012,05:06

Siren.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 22 2012,06:56

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I'm ready whenever. I'd prefer as full a spread of classes as possible so as to abuse the widest range of class add-ons, abilities, skills, etc. as possible.

I have agreed with this since the beginning. And as I said earlier, I'll play Zero or the turret guy. My pick will be based on if someone else wants one of those characters. If so, I'll take the other one.

Although, if I'm being honest, since I started the game with Zero, and will probably continue that game at some point, I think I'd like to be the turret guy...

QUOTE

That's what I was thinking too. But then, I've been accused of having dumb gaming 'rules' and didn't know if everyone would be like "dude. It's borderlands. Just kill shit."

How did you not become a politician? You're so full of shit. You know that your dumb gaming rules apply only to not playing with people who have played the game before you.

As for availability, I can't play Monday nights, but I'm ready to play whenever too. I figure nights Malcolm isn't available to go through BL2, we can head back into LoL.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 22 2012,07:07

can i play?

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 22 2012,07:17

G: Maya
Leish: Axton
I'll take Zer0 unless Cake really wants it. Which would leave him with Salvador.

EDIT: Although, I'm seriously considering Gaige.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 22 2012,08:08

(Stranger @ Oct. 22 2012,10:07)

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can i play?

Ha!

Because we already had our four set prior to you getting a PC, I don't think it'd be fair to kick someone out to bring you in...unless they bump the number of players in co-op up...

However, I will play BL2 and its DLC with you in Co-op. I just have to be farther in the story with this group or Cake will quit.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 22 2012,09:09

Hell, I'd be in for a second co-op campaign. Could take Gaige over there and Zer0 in the former.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 22 2012,09:31

Hey, don't get me wrong, im not asking anyone to be kicked out of a team. But the point of Borderlands is to pick it up and play whenever. You don't have to have 4 people on all the time to be able to play. We all know how hard it is to get everyone on at the same time to plan games, if only 2 or 3 people are on you can still have a good time. Actually having more people that you know play the game makes it much better for getting something together.

So if you four wanna do your thing thats fine. But not playing with me cause your in another game is kinda rediculous. Yeah, i've played through the first playthrough and that prolly counts me out from being able to play with Cake, cause somehow i might ruin the game for him. But if noone wants to jump in a game with me cause of this then.. well.. i don't know what to say about that. Game as you wish.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 22 2012,09:54

If my group ever plays without me, they are fired.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 22 2012,10:23

Thank you Gordon for making my point for me.

Do you know these clowns actually looked up how many hours I've played? I think they're more worried about me cheating on them than their wives!

As I said earlier Stranger, I will happily play through BL2 with you, and apparently Malcolm will too. I just want to stay behind the other group in the story.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 22 2012,10:45

ok, maybe im missing something here. whats your point again?

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 22 2012,12:33

Just re-read the whole thread...

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 22 2012,15:15

I'm happy with Salvador. Lock me in with Salvador.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 22 2012,17:41

Looks like the final tally...

Cake: Salvador
G: Maya
Leish: Axton
Me: Zer0

I definitely want to try out Gaige, though, next. Just for the ordered chaos tree if nothing else.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 23 2012,09:33

Are we starting this evening?

Just FYI, I can usually be on between 9-9:30 p.m. EST and can play until 1 a.m. (later on weekends...except for Walking Dead night)

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 23 2012,09:37

Tuesday evenings are not good for me. Other than that, I'm online most evenings.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 23 2012,09:46

Mondays and Tuesdays are out.

Plan on Wednesday?

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 23 2012,09:53

I'm in. Going to have to shake the Fallout 3 physics from my system.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 23 2012,10:47

I believe Wednesday works for me. Time? Usually after 9 is best for me.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 23 2012,11:22

I'm available beforehand, but whatever. Got a standard 9 - 5 gig I got to worry about. Everyone else have day jobs? I only ask because you three spent the previous weekend working goddamn near straight through from what I can tell.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 23 2012,12:02

Special circumstances.

Most of us have places to be at 7am, but we typically still play til midnight or so those nights.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 23 2012,13:54

Yes, day job. I'm actually ready before 9pm, so 9pm works for me. Wednesday works as well.

We shooting for a once a week thing, on the fly talk about it here thing, twice a week regular?

I'm free most nights except Saturday and Sunday. Sunday is Walking Dead night. Saturday we have regular visitors. I can start gaming after midnight though. Or, I can game early on either day.

So, we are down to Wednesday through Friday and weekend during the day.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 23 2012,13:55

Voice comms. Using Steam or is there a built in comm system?

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 23 2012,13:59

We are all on Steam if that's what we need to do.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 23 2012,15:09

I'd have to pick up a headset/mic thingy.

EDIT: I'd be up for twice a week. In addition, I'm on call every few weeks for techie support for work.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 23 2012,15:18

I would say twice a week, minimum. Otherwise we are playing for 18 months.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 23 2012,17:30

I'd say mic/headset is mandatory. Someone out of comms = Leroy Jenkins.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 23 2012,17:57

2-3 times a week.

And yes, headset and mic via Steam.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 24 2012,07:26

Technically, Zer0 doesn't talk. I'll see if I can find a short-term solution (swipe a headset from work).

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 24 2012,12:43

Got errands to run in the early evening. Gunning for 8-9pm for when I come back. Might have to kill the mic if the roommates draw the shitty 5am start shift for their jobs.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2012,13:25

Do they beat you if you disturb their slumber? We can get you a number for a battered womens shelter.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 24 2012,14:51

Says the man who can't let his cat in the house anymore because it has the plague.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2012,15:04

I can't hear you over the sounds of your roommates disciplining you.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2012,16:36

Never played multi in this game before... just launched, and apparently it knows my Steam profile. So I guess you invite other peeps from your Steam friend list, and that's how you multi?

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2012,18:43

SInce Malcolm stood us up with no message, we stopped waiting at 9:45 and dumped out to play LOL. Let us know if you are still wanting to play. And if you are, don't leave us hanging unless your internet is out or something.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 24 2012,18:54

Son of a bitch. You're on EST? It's 9pm CST here. My bad.

EDIT: Call out a time tomorrow and I'll set my clock an hour early. I got a blank evening.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2012,22:06

Eastern Time Zone is the only correct time zone.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 24 2012,22:11

Shit I learned from the first outing...

1) the wiki has more detailed skill info than the game descriptions
2) think I need to turn my graphics down or get a higher powered laptop
3) we just need to get every enemy to chase us to the spot with the big gun

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 24 2012,23:22

Things I learned. My guy can't tank shit. Doesn't have good damage so can't burst kill anything. Not sure what purpose he's supposed to serve yet.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 25 2012,05:15

You know that your character gets tougher and more skilled as the game goes on, yes?

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 25 2012,05:23

(Cakedaddy @ Oct. 25 2012,02:22)

QUOTE

Things I learned. My guy can't tank shit. Doesn't have good damage so can't burst kill anything. Not sure what purpose he's supposed to serve yet.

If you are thinking that ol Sal can "Tank" in the traditional way then it just isn't going to happen. My Sal is level 50 right now and i can tell you that i started with the Brawn tree build and its ok for the first playthrough. But when you get to the second playthrough you will still get downed all the time.

I found that Sal is really hard to play for the first 15 to 20 levels. He is really reliant on having two good guns and they are hard to find at them low levels. Not to mention his accuracy while rampaging is so stupidly inaccurate, its literally spray and pray.

I can tell you though that Sal becomes beastmode around level 30. I switched from the brawn tree to Gunlust and Rampage and i can tell you he is SO much better this way. Carry around two shotties, and proc moneyshot like crazy. He seriously can deal some real damage in this way.

So i suggest to build into the brawn tree for the first 20 levels or so then respec over to the rampage, gunlust tree for serious damage output, you will get downed a little more but with "down not out" skill, you will be able to fight your way out of it much easier.

Don't think of Sal as a tank, it just isn't going to happen. Even at max level Brawn he can maybe take a few more shots, but i found its not worth it. Do more damage and you will stay alive that way.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 25 2012,06:46

QUOTE

3) we just need to get every enemy to chase us to the spot with the big gun

Yep. More than once I'd drop a turret, and my team would run away from it leading the enemies out of its range.

The best turret moment was in that room with the midget riding the monster. I dropped it at the entrance trapping both those tough assholes in there with it.

My biggest problem with the turret was remembering to drop it...

QUOTE

Things I learned. My guy can't tank shit. Doesn't have good damage so can't burst kill anything. Not sure what purpose he's supposed to serve yet.

As Stranger points out, Brick isn't in this game. No truly invincible tank. I'd take his advice, and then use cover more often. I'd watch you charge straight into enemies and go down pretty quickly. Nobody is that tanky. With all enemies focusing fire on you, you're toast. It also doesn't help when you run out 1000 yards in front of us. If this was LoL, you'd be screaming at us for being so far out of position.

Gordo and his sniper rifle should be that far out. You, Malcom, and I should be working together at the front lines. He's got the stealth and melee, I've got the turret and a machine gun (ho ho ho), and you're the dual wielding mini-tank.

Things I noticed:
1. If you are reviving someone, don't shoot or it stops the revive. Don't revive them 99% of the way and then pull off, only to leave them to die. Just run up, crouch, and do the revive. Watch the bar, and your shield/health. During the fight on the boats, I started reviving Gordo with full shield/health, and by the time I made it back to cover I had no shields, and 7 health. I think it's worth it though, as I think I saw us getting 100xp for each revive, and that adds up.

2. I thought we did a fairly decent job of splitting loot. Just be aware of what your teammates use, and let them have first dibs on those items:

-Leisher- Machine Guns & Pistols (Although, I think we should all sport at least one pistol as a backup gun.)

-Cake- Shotguns

-Gordon- Sniper Rifles

-Malcolm- SMGs

3. When it comes to shields, I think the best shields should go to Cake first, then Malcolm, then me, and finally Gordo. That's based on who is throwing themselves into danger the most. IF we see playstyles that warrant a change to that, we can talk about it then.

It wouldn't make sense for the sniper to sport a shield with 1000 hp and a 2 second recharge delay, while the mini tank has a shield with 400 hp and a 5 second delay.

3. Don't open any chests unless Gordo is there or he whines.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 25 2012,07:28

(Cakedaddy @ Oct. 25 2012,01:22)

QUOTE

Things I learned. My guy can't tank shit. Doesn't have good damage so can't burst kill anything. Not sure what purpose he's supposed to serve yet.

He's got an entire skill tree dedicated to soaking up damage and being more durable in general.

EDIT: As pointed out, you won't be like Arnold in Commando, though.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 25 2012,07:36

I'm waiting for the other two weapon equip slots to open up. Two projectile choices blows.

If I ever can't close to melee, I'll have a sniper. But I ought to be up front with a SMG, shotty, and the sword (which becomes fucking deadly the more I read into the skill trees). Zer0's cooldown is also noticeably short. Long as I stay alive, I should be alive to go invis quite a bit. Only lasts a short time so I ought to be up close and personal.

As for shields, eventually the turrets will provide cover for you with a force field. The hell's it called ... phalanx shield skill or something. Again, < the wiki > has real number where the game has vague prose descriptions, although there's still bullshit ambiguity like "low" health.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 25 2012,09:32

Tonight? Time?

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 25 2012,10:40

I'll be on and gordo said he'd be on. 9-9:30. EASTERN!!!!!

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 25 2012,10:45

I'll set my sundial.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 25 2012,13:01

I do go shotgun heavy, and that's why I'm rushing in. They don't work long range, obviously. I'm using cover more and trying to flank. I'll be going SMG as well because I'm finding that to be the best dual wield option. Shotguns are slow firing and/or small magazine. I don't loot a lot of ammo because my zerker skill refreshes it. Not as much as I originally thought. But I can spam it every 45 seconds and refresh between/during fights. I'm actually using my zerker skill as a heal more than for killing. My gun selection is just so weak right now. But getting an instant 50% heal just before death is cool.

I keep a backup pistol, but I haven't learned how to change weapons (from inventory) fast. So, it isn't being used.

I want a bigger mini map and to zoom it in some to track allies better. The one time I was extremely split from you guys, I mentioned 'bad guys over here' and went there. You guys went a completely different direction. So, I'm not just leaving. That was a miscommunication. But with my heal, I do plan to be the first in the room, city, etc. I think I have the most survivability.

My skill tree is going to be damage based, instead of tank. Yes, I thought I'd be more tanky. But I'd rather change my play style by using cover and flanking rather than just charging in. I prefer playing that way anyway. I normally play a sniper in games like this, so the 'charge in tank' would be a big change. I will probably be more commando style of play, but being bait when needed as well.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 25 2012,13:01

I also think the reward weapon from missions is based on who takes the mission, or who turns it in. So, if Gordon managed all the missions, our rewards would always be snipers. So splitting the missions might be wise as well.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 25 2012,13:02

9 EST works for me too.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 25 2012,13:08

(Cakedaddy @ Oct. 25 2012,15:01)

QUOTE

How can the mission reward system tell since characters don't have weapon affinities anymore? Maybe some quest rewards are random but I bet others are hard-coded. Claptrap actually had an audio file that said, "I'll give you a shotgun" compared to Hammerlock's, "I'll give you a sniper rifle" line.

I'll be using SMGs and shotties up close. In between stealthing, I'll either be flanking critters in the thick of things (I get bonuses if I attack ones that aren't attacking me) or keeping my distance until the cooldown. Also found out the duration of my special affects the damage. Longer I stay invis per use, the more damage I do when I attack and break. Less time I spend invis, the quicker the cooldown.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 25 2012,17:51

Will be ready in 10-15 minutes. Scotch on standby. Got to adjust graphics shyte.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 25 2012,17:54

I love scotch. Scotchy scotch scotch.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 25 2012,18:00

Verdict is ... I need to think about getting a new laptop after the phone. Graphics have been adjusted in the downward direction and the action is much smoother. A glass a scotch away from being ready.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 25 2012,21:09

Graphics adjustment made a big difference. Need a 4-man vehicle. Need to hit level 11 to use those SMGs.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 25 2012,21:51

< Zer0 build I'm yoinking >.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 26 2012,05:03

< http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/community >

Make sure to get your golden keys this weekend. Yeah, its a total crapshoot on what you get, but purples are really good in this game. Even at level 50, they are worth it and still pretty rare. I've now gotten about 5 extra keys from following Randy Pitchfords twitter account (@DuvalMagic). But this is the first time Gearbox has put a solid time on when they will release these codes.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 26 2012,08:28

Goddamnit. If they're scheduling giving away this shit ... just goddamnit. I might check that out.

EDIT: Fuck, first code's today at 6. Looks like I've got about an hour after I get back from work to decide.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 26 2012,09:39

So how do you get these things? Just log into Borderlands at the designated time, and check your Shift stuff?

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 26 2012,09:54

It looks like it says that it will be on the "Borderlands Facebook" and the "Gearbox Software Twitter" pages. They will be good for three hours at a time. Those times posted are Central time. So for us East costers the first one will be available from 7-10pm tonight, and the next at midnight till 3am.

And yes, you need to have a shift account if you don't already have one. Its easy, and can be done ingame, just sign up with an e-mail address. Then when you get the code just go ingame and enter in the shift code and the key is yours.

For those of you who don't have facebook or twitter ill post the codes on here when they are made available.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 26 2012,10:16

(Stranger @ Oct. 26 2012,11:54)

QUOTE

For those of you who don't have facebook or twitter ill post the codes on here when they are made available.

I'm sold. You're going to post the 5am CST one?

EDIT: If we intro some purple guns into our game, you will see a noticeable difference.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 26 2012,14:34

I had BL2 up and was waiting for the codes, but now I have to run to my kid's school. Let's make sure we get the codes posted here...

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 26 2012,14:37

I've got to take the kid to Straights-Only Boy Scouts, so I will prolly miss it completely.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 26 2012,15:26

The first code goes until 10, but that is past your bed time...

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 26 2012,16:09

Staying up late tonight cuz tomorrow is sleepin day.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 26 2012,16:15

PC SHiFT Code: WTC33-SBCCT-35CCJ-ZBW3T-CJX66

I'll be on tonight for LoL or BL2.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 26 2012,16:21

Yeah figures. Just left home.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 26 2012,17:11

I'll be available for BL2, but it sounds like G is scouting.

EDIT: Code redeemed. I got 4 keys now, looks like, in total.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Oct. 26 2012,17:13

The Twitter PC code is different.

WTKJJ-566JC-WXJT3-BTJT3-6BTBH

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 26 2012,17:20

Both work. I got another.

EDIT: Even if we only redeem 1 or 2 keys in our game, we should be demi-gods for a few levels.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 26 2012,17:56

Will be Fallouting (3). Going to check back around 9/10 CST/EST.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 26 2012,18:14

(GORDON @ Oct. 26 2012,19:21)

QUOTE

Yeah figures. Just left home.

You left home 20 minutes after the code went live...

The FB and Twitter codes are different, and do indeed give you a key each.

I'm online now and willing to try the new TT or BL2.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 26 2012,18:45

The 2 codes worked for me just now.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 26 2012,19:05

New code at 11 CST. Anyone up for anything between now and then?

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 26 2012,21:06

Twitter: PC SHIFT Code for a Golden Key in Borderlands 2: KJWT3-FXFBC-5XJJB-TTB3T-6TRCH

Facebook: PC SHiFT Code: WTC33-SBCCT-35CCJ-ZBW3T-CJX66

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 26 2012,23:34

I can get at the Twitter code, but Facebook is being a bitch and wanting me to log in.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 27 2012,05:41

< http://orcz.com/Borderl....27_2012 >

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 27 2012,09:06

These are the Noon EST ones. One set to go...

PC SHiFT Code for a Golden Key in Borderlands 2: KBCB3-THXT5-CX3TB-3TT33-TW5ZS [Active for 3 Hours

PC SHiFT Code: 535TB-FK5K3-3W5KJ-SBK3B-R6RRX

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 27 2012,09:33

(Malcolm @ Oct. 27 2012,08:41)

QUOTE

< http://orcz.com/Borderl....27_2012 >

That means one more set after the noon one.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 27 2012,09:36

10 keys, bitches.

EDIT: Anyone get the early ones except me?

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 27 2012,11:04

QUOTE

EDIT: Anyone get the early ones except me?

I was asleep.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 27 2012,13:15

Saturday, October 27 - 3PM CDT (1PM PST / 9PM London Europe / 7AM (Sunday) Sydney Australia)

Codes from twitter:

PC:C3WT3-W96BK-K6JTB-JB3JJ-3J6CS

Codes from facebook:

PC SHiFT Code: WT53J-Z5WWB-3W5K3-HJWJJ-XBJ3H

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 27 2012,13:18

I have 9 now, and I have used 2.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 27 2012,13:42

Had 1 key from the pre-order. Got 10 from the codes. Got 1 from signing up for SHiFT. Another for linking to it from BL2. Fawesome.

EDIT: Burned one and got the purple launcher.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 27 2012,15:01

PC SHiFT Code for a Golden Key in Borderlands 2: C3WT3-W96BK-K6JTB-JB3JJ-3J6CS

PC SHiFT Code: WT53J-Z5WWB-3W5K3-HJWJJ-XBJ3H

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 27 2012,15:13

Suppose tonight's out? Something about Walking Dead night or some such shyte?

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 27 2012,20:45

We've missed an assload of location-based challenges.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 27 2012,20:59

WinPC: KTKJT-Z3K9H-FJ33T-J33T3-BBKH6

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 28 2012,08:49

(Leisher @ Oct. 27 2012,22:59)

QUOTE

WinPC: KTKJT-Z3K9H-FJ33T-J33T3-BBKH6

Where's that from?

EDIT: Pitchfork, you bastard.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 28 2012,08:52

Yeah, he threw one out late last night, and the three of us were playing LoL. I happened to notice it between games.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 29 2012,09:49

1) Anyone for tonight?
2) Shall we use any more keys? I'm somewhat inclined to say no. The chances of getting a practical purple gun of your type you're hoping for are crap compared to getting a purple thing you don't want but will just sell for cash.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 29 2012,10:14

1) Not unless I get knocked out of poker super early.
2) Yeah, I'm going to say no for now. That SMG I got is melting folks right now, so why do I need something new? I'll wait until the SMG starts losing effectiveness.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 29 2012,10:26

What level are you all at? Any badass weapons from the gold chests? im sure you guys have about 10 a piece now after the weekend of give aways.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 29 2012,10:32

We're lvl 13. Not sure who received the best weapon so far, but there were a couple of duds.

I think most of us have at least 9 gold keys now.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 29 2012,10:33

G's used 2 keys. Leish, Cake, and I used one each. I got a single purple missile launcher from mine. I think I'm the only one not packing a purple as a standard weapon.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 29 2012,10:39

All three of my weapons are purple.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 29 2012,10:48

Some purples are better than golds, and many times the level of the weapon is much more important than the color, but not always. I did have a gold level 30 shotty that was pretty solid until i got to level 40. But on most occasions i found a level 35 green was better than a level 30 blue or even purple.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 29 2012,10:55

(Leisher @ Oct. 29 2012,12:39)

QUOTE

All three of my weapons are purple.

Think I got a blue SMG, green pistol, green sniper, green shotty, purple launcher.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 29 2012,10:58

(Stranger @ Oct. 29 2012,12:48)

QUOTE

I remember BL1 handing out some blue weapons that demonstrated no statistical differences from golds or purples. I also know BL1 weapons had hidden attributes (like stability during aiming/firing) that they didn't display. I was hoping they'd lay all that out for the sequel. I guess people can only handle comparing so many arrows at once.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 29 2012,11:11

Yes, there are guns that do things that you would have no idea what they do until you fire them. Some will have cool visual effects, or riccochet, or i even found one that talked.. Hilarious!

Sometimes i try and compare similar guns by looking at what they are worth, but that doesn't always seem to add up either. I've had blue guns that do less damage, accurace, ect. and yet it's worth more than a purple with better stats all around. Not sure how that happens. My advice is to get to know the manufacturers, like all Tediors will act like a grenade when you reload, and Jacobs tend to have the highest damage but they are semi-auto. and Hyperion are always elemental weapons. This helps me when deciding between two simialar guns.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 29 2012,13:49

< New DLC >.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 30 2012,17:36

More SHIFT codes starting tomorrow at 11 EST. They seem to be for Halloween themed skins.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 30 2012,23:13

& I took the day off. How fortuitous.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 31 2012,06:57

According to the article these codes will be good through Sunday.

So no day off required.

By the way, it's obviously Halloween, so while I'll be on tonight, it might not be until 10 or so. I'm down for BL2 or LoL.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 31 2012,10:59

< Spooky Salvador >

< Spooky Maya >

< Spooky Axton >

< Spooky Zero >

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 31 2012,12:17

< Page that keeps a running tab of SHiFT codes >.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 31 2012,12:18

(Leisher @ Oct. 31 2012,12:59)

QUOTE

< Spooky Maya >

Goddamn. That's more eyeshadow than Darryl Hannah in Bladerunner.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 31 2012,13:32

Stay off the XBox.

< http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20136922 >

Perma-death hack that will kill you even if you don't do it.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 31 2012,14:40

New code for Zer0's skin.

EDIT: Gaige's comes out at 4/6/7 PST/CST/EST.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 31 2012,14:47

(Leisher @ Oct. 31 2012,08:57)

QUOTE

...it might not be until 10 or so. I'm down for BL2 or LoL.

I'd go for BL2 if the narcoleptics can hack it.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 31 2012,14:48

By the by, there's an really easy way to dupe items, so if you play online with the random matchmaker and see dudes packing eight of the same gun, that's why.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 31 2012,17:20

(Malcolm @ Oct. 31 2012,15:18)

QUOTE

(Leisher @ Oct. 31 2012,12:59)

QUOTE

< Spooky Maya >

Goddamn. That's more eyeshadow than Darryl Hannah in Bladerunner.

I'm pretty sure that all female Halloween costumes are supposed to be "sexy (noun)" not spooky

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 31 2012,18:55

Nothing tonight?

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 31 2012,19:00

I'm ready

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 31 2012,19:03

Leish is playing Arkham Asylum and Cake is MIA.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 31 2012,21:50

Just FYI Malcolm, I am commonly in games according to Steam, but actually walked away from my PC hours ago. Tonight was an example of that.

So after we logged, I jumped back in to see if the vendors changed items. I went to the gun store and went right for the ammo machine. I got done, turned around, and there's a lvl 13 Vault Hunter standing there talking to Marcus. I immediately figured someone jumped into my game, but I discovered I could talk to him. He was AI, and said it's nice to meet another vault hunter, and threw me a better shield than I equipped.

Wonder how many other little secrets like that are out there?

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 01 2012,09:37

Same graphics as a typical player?

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 01 2012,09:47

< Slots results for Moxxi's >.

More interesting wins (I think the slots are anything but random, too)...

QUOTE

x3 Legs: Blue Weapon or Purple Weapon
x3 Marcus: Purple Weapon
x3 Borderlands logo: Orange Weapon
x3 Eridium Bar (1): 4 Eridium
x3 Eridium Bars (2): 8 Eridium
x3 Eridium Stack (3): 16 Eridium

Leish landed a triple Marcus last night. I kept wandering what 3 BL logos is. Guess I know now.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 01 2012,10:28

(Malcolm @ Nov. 01 2012,12:37)

QUOTE

Same graphics as a typical player?

Yes and no.

He definitely stood out from the AI, but didn't look like any of the 5 player characters.

He even had his guns strapped to his body the way a player does...

Posted by Stranger on Nov. 01 2012,10:38

Thats so cool! i haven't seen anything like that so far. I do know that there is a robot called Jimmy Jenkins that can be found in many different places and you're supposed to kill him when you see him. I personally haven't seen that either.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 01 2012,12:38

Easter Eggs are the best. It honestly adds so much to a game to come across hidden stuff like that.

The only disappointing thing about BL2 so far? I miss Brick. I loved the tank style of play in the original BL. I know you can kinda get there with Salvadore, but it's not the same. I miss getting into huge fire fights, and then just dropping my guns, and punching people to death.

I'll be on tonight between 9-10. Let's continue pushing through!

Posted by Stranger on Nov. 01 2012,13:24

you all playing B2 tonight? if not i'll be on for some LOL.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 01 2012,13:33

The lack of a true damage sponge encourages a play style other than "Rush everything through the front door."

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 01 2012,13:53

(Leisher @ Nov. 01 2012,14:38)

QUOTE

I'll be on tonight between 9-10. Let's continue pushing through!

Game on.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 01 2012,13:58

QUOTE

you all playing B2 tonight? if not i'll be on for some LOL.

If no, BL2, I'd be up for LoL. I don't work tomorrow, so I'll be playing something.

QUOTE

The lack of a true damage sponge encourages a play style other than "Rush everything through the front door."

True, but I think that might be where BL2 lacks a bit. I think Zero and Siren feel a bit too similar. I would have dumped one for a tank.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 01 2012,14:03

Maya can go very elemental or heal oriented (long- or mid-range). Zer0 is built to deal damage up close and personal, just not take it. You could go up close with Maya, but her skills trees don't go that way. You could also go sniper with Zer0 but his ability in general seems kind of wasted if he's standing out of range.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 01 2012,17:38

I'll be ready in about an hour. Got another dog in the house today.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 01 2012,18:00

Switched off my shitty audio codec that was yanking away my game sound yesterday. Wonder if it killed the mic functionality in the process.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 01 2012,18:10

What up with your sound.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 01 2012,18:15

I don't know. It gets confused when I have it differentiate between the USB headset and the headphone jacks.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 01 2012,18:16

Mobo sound drivers?

What brand?

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 01 2012,18:18

IDT Audio Codec running on HP.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 01 2012,18:21

What?

It's an HP computer? And you don't really know what kind of mobo is in it but it is a sound driver called IDT? Is that what you're saying?

Or is there a sound card?

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 01 2012,18:29

You should totally drop him and pick me up.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 01 2012,18:32

Goddamnit. I'd have to spend more than two minutes looking up the problem and solution. Ready to go now anyhow.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 01 2012,18:36

(GORDON @ Nov. 01 2012,20:21)

QUOTE

What?

It's an HP computer? And you don't really know what kind of mobo is in it but it is a sound driver called IDT? Is that what you're saying?

Or is there a sound card?

Hewlett-Packard 181B. Suck it, Trebek. Suck it long and suck it hard.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 01 2012,18:37

Well, yeah. There's probably an easy solution but I can't give it to you with the scant info you have provided.

If it is an HP computer, just go to the HP page and get the official sound driver for your PC.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 01 2012,18:38

Sound recorder works. Mic seems fine. I win.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 02 2012,07:14

Next time we play, we might want to start earlier for our sniper, Morty Seinfeld. Hour earlier?

Posted by Stranger on Nov. 02 2012,07:37

I finally traded my 360 version in for the PC version yesterday. I decided to use Axton to get used to the controls. And i must say it was so much easier to play him rather than Salvador. My first death wasn't until i fought Flynt, i was level 7! Sal is really tough to begin with, but he owns as the levels go up.

Not sure what build Leisher is thinking of going but im pretty sure im going down the middle tree to start. I've seen the nuke turret in action and its pretty damn sweet. Then im gonna hit up the guerrilla tree on the left to get the "scorched earth" skill to add rockets to the turret.

I really think that Axton could be a better tanky player than Sal if you spec'd him out that way. He can have serious shield regen and his turret can serve as a decoy to take aggro. But from what i've found in this game, you're much better served by doing as much damage as you can. Kill them before they kill you.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 02 2012,07:54

Maybe with a couple Phalanx-ready turrets. Cooldown on it is too long.

Posted by Stranger on Nov. 02 2012,08:16

(Malcolm @ Nov. 02 2012,10:54)

QUOTE

Maybe with a couple Phalanx-ready turrets. Cooldown on it is too long.

Well yeah, if you were going the tanky route then you would get the top skill in the survival tree, gemini (two turrets) and resourceful gives 25% cooldown.

Not to mention "willing" in the guerrilla tree is awesome. +75% recharge rate and +60% recharge delay means your shields are gonna be up quite a bit.

Posted by Stranger on Nov. 02 2012,11:15

Also if anyone wants to start a new game or if you just wanna jump into a game anytime im cool with that. i'll prolly have each character at different levels so i would be able to play any game.

Or if you wanna power level your character up i can help with that too. I know in B1 i had like a level 30 hunter and Liesher had a level 1 Brick and he couldn't do shit but die for a couple hours but in no time he was at like level 20.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 02 2012,11:45

I saw you online last night and started a new Mechromancer. Anytime we have time and we're both online, I'm up for playing.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 02 2012,11:52

(Leisher @ Nov. 02 2012,13:45)

QUOTE

I saw you online last night and started a new Mechromancer. Anytime we have time and we're both online, I'm up for playing.

I'd take a ride on that train if it's available.

Posted by Stranger on Nov. 02 2012,11:56

i saw you were starting one right when i was logging off. I'm cool with whoever wants to join. I'll start a new character if we all wanna go from level one. Not sure what everyone's gaming plans are for tonight but im up for anything.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 02 2012,12:01

The only dude I've got leveled up past 3 is the Assassin going with Leish, Cake, and G. I've got level 3s for each of the other classes, except mechro.

Posted by Stranger on Nov. 02 2012,12:19

I've only got my Axton at level 7 right now. Kinda sucks cause when i traded in my game i lost about 8 legendaries, 10 keys and about 8,000 badass points. But i must say its ALOT better on the PC. Looks much better and aiming with a mouse is so much easier. But getting all the movement and left hand buttons down is taking some getting used to.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 02 2012,17:23

Anything happening tonight, anyone?

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 02 2012,18:49

I'll be on at 10.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 03 2012,12:46

Jesus Christ, we all must be Mr. Magoo (Leish, G, Cake, me). 5 goddamn vault symbols in Sanctuary and we've found zero. I just stumbled across one while spidermaning.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 03 2012,18:13

Found the fifth. We have literally walked by three of them within ten feet and we all missed them every fucking time. The other two were found by spidermaning.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 05 2012,07:55

Been hitting the shops the past few days. Found a better everything except a shotty (which, at 70x19 shock damage, is a fucking shield killer as is, granted). Finally got around to spending badass points, too.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 05 2012,08:20

There are more Shift codes going out today. Not sure what they're for...

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 05 2012,08:20

Remember, remember the Fifth of November,
The Gunpowder Treason and Plot,
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 05 2012,08:23

Gold keys. No expiry date on the current code. Will probably sunset before I get home, though.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 05 2012,14:33

Gold key code from today's facebook is still good. There's another gold key code from youtube, also still good.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 05 2012,17:26

(Malcolm @ Oct. 31 2012,14:17)

QUOTE

< Page that keeps a running tab of SHiFT codes >.

Can this somehow be stickified? It's keeping track of codes, expiration time, on a running basis.

By the by, codes are still good, so abuse 'em while you got 'em.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 05 2012,17:55

I just used them.

Just keep quoting the shift code page whenever new codes pop up.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 07 2012,07:26

Codes are expired now. Also been a bit since last we played. I got new guns, a new shield, and a new class mod to try out (+22% or so team critical damage ... keep those headshots coming). Tonight?

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 07 2012,11:20

I will be on between 9-9:30

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 07 2012,11:44

Damnit. I should've checked my calendar this week before saying anything. Going to < this > tonight. On the job front, there's a deploy to our prod environment this week and I'm going to have to, at a minimum, keep an eye on my phone tomorrow night. If something goes seriously wrong, I'd have to go fix it.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 07 2012,18:26

(Malcolm @ Nov. 07 2012,14:44)

QUOTE

Don't know how I missed this earlier. I have been sitting in game waiting for peeps to show up.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 07 2012,18:27

And Bob Dylan? What, you need to take a nap in a folding chair?

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 08 2012,07:15

(GORDON @ Nov. 07 2012,20:27)

QUOTE

And Bob Dylan? What, you need to take a nap in a folding chair?

In hindsight, I could've missed that show and not given one good goddamn. It was well below was I was expecting. Wasn't really going to see Dylan. Mark Knopfler (the guitarist/vocalist from Dire Straits) was the real reason and he proceeded to disappoint the fuck out of me by not playing "Money for Nothing" or "Sultans of Swing." Mark was the only thing that saved the show from being hideous. Bob didn't sing or touch a guitar the entire goddamned show. He nearly fell over during the first bow. His voice sounds like someone scrubbed his vocal cords with steel wool and then sanded them down.

EDIT: I should be on tonight, in spite of my on call status for work. Technically speaking, nothing should go wrong.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 08 2012,08:20

(Malcolm @ Nov. 08 2012,10:15)

QUOTE

EDIT: I should be on tonight, in spite of my on call status for work. Technically speaking, nothing should go wrong.

Let's hope the Main Blow Jibber guy doesn't get sick and they need to call you in, the Assistant Blow Jibber guy.

God, I've been watching too much "League."

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 08 2012,09:16

It's more the "main dude that says reboot the server." Normally, it's in case something blows up after hours. This particular night, we've got an app + DB deploy to the prod environment.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 08 2012,09:55

So does that mean we're playing BL2 tonight or LoL?

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 08 2012,10:24

(Leisher @ Nov. 08 2012,11:55)

QUOTE

So does that mean we're playing BL2 tonight or LoL?

I'd make an attempt at BL2. Nothing ought to go wrong and my shit should be done around 6pm CST. I might have to keep one ear near a phone. That's about it, I'd hope.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 08 2012,11:52

Lets aim for BL2. If he gets a call, it's easy enough to shut that down and change games.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 08 2012,16:25

Things are currently looking good. Just babysitting some long-running SQL scripts. All the changes done by server support (where fuck ups usually occur) went fine, so I don't have to do anything but alt-tab into the remote desktop and glance at it occasionally.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,08:13

< Weapons in BL2 >.

< BL2 weapons with modifiers and what the hell they mean >.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,19:08

I assume nothing doing?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,19:09

I don't know where Captain Faggot is. Texted him but no response.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,19:53

I'd suggest we try to reconvene tomorrow.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,20:36

I am out tomorrow, maybe home by midnight or 1.

Cakedaddy is suck for not showing up tonight;

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 10 2012,09:23

(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,22:36)

QUOTE

I am out tomorrow, maybe home by midnight or 1.

Cakedaddy is suck for not showing up tonight;

Was probably out practicing for the LoL tourneys he's always worried not having enough people for. Maybe out recruiting.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 10 2012,09:28

< Codes >. Yes, new ones.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 10 2012,10:21

< Moxxi slot machine distribution >. Granted, only 22,362 spins, but better than nothing.

I know I hit two triple legs in a row once, that's approximately the odds of hitting triple logos.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 10 2012,10:44

Interesting things I've learned about elements from the wiki...

1) Torgue always has explosive damage.
2) Explosive is the all-purpose "I need to kill things" element.
3) Slagged enemies take double damage. G needs a slag snipey, especially for badasses. Slag, phaselock, kill.
4) Electricity destroys shields. If G has a fully charged amp shield with a nice electric snipey, he could probably take out any enemy shield we encounter with a single mag.
5) Corrosive eats through robots. Fire eats through flesh.

What those markers on the right side of your inventory items means (the red "x" and the yellow star)...
Yellow star: Marks item as favourite. Just makes it easier for you to spot it from among all your other items. Useful if you want to distinguish useful weapons from unsorted loot. It has no functional value.
Red x: Marks item as trash. When you are on the shop screen, you can hit delete to "sell trash." Anything marked as such is sold all at once.

Why you technically have infinite bank storage...
In Sanctuary's in the Crimson Raider HQ, every character has a bank. Starts out with 2 slots, you can buy black market SDUs to bump it to 16, I think. Every account has access to the Stash in Sanctuary, which has a permanent 4 slots to let you transfer items between characters. Want more bank space?

Start a new character, get him to Sanctuary. This isn't exactly trivial. Even more annoying, bank upgrades are purchased with eridium. You can't buy that shit anywhere nor transfer it using the Stash. If you really wanted to farm storage mules, you'd have a low-level character host a game with two other lows plus one high to escort them through to Sanctuary. That still doesn't solve the eridium problem. I guess enough gambling at Moxxi's using the same low host/high escort cheat might, with enough time and cash.

Slot machine estimates...
full bank upgrades: 4 + 8 + 12 + 16 + 20 = 60 eridium per character

chances of getting at least 4 eridium from a Moxxi slot machine: 3.6%

about...
75% of that 3.6% is 4 eridium
20% of that 3.6% is 8 eridium
5% of that 3.6% is 12 eridium

every 100 pulls, you'd expect 3-4 eridium wins

15 wins at 4 eridium (low end) = 60 (estimate 400-500 pulls)
5 wins at 12 eridium (high end) = 60 (estimate 100-200 pulls)

If you want to be safe, you'd take the low end, multiply it by 1.25 - 1.5 (or 2.0 if you're really thinking the machine cheats) to get 625 - 750 pulls to get enough eridium to max out a bank.

Note that slot machine pull cost depends on host's max level and story progress, but if you're around level 10, it's about $120, I believe. Take 750*120 = 90K cash needed to max out a bank per character.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 10 2012,12:46

Then the night we were hitting eridium left and right was a fluke...

Stranger and I will be playing tonight, but 10-11ish. My wife wants to watch LoTR...sexy right?

I'm going to host because he's too high in level, and my mechromancer hasn't even made it to sanctuary (NO SPOILERS!!!)

If anyone is on that late, you'll probably be welcome to join us.

Although, if Cake and Gordo are on and Malcolm isn't, I'll probably recommend we play LoL.

Oh, and in 15 minutes of jumping into Stranger's game last night (he's where we are in the story), I saw a sniper rifle that does 575 damage and was a slag elemental weapon.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 10 2012,13:16

QUOTE

Then the night we were hitting eridium left and right was a fluke...

Like I said, this is ~22K spins. A good sample size for this sort of thing requires millions, if not billions, of points. I don't know if the odds are constant, seeded randomly based on (host + characters) or just host or whatever combination of factors. Gearbox could have put in more than one distribution. Triple logos has a 1 in 5000 chance, according that that no doubt inaccurate pie chart. For reference, the odds of getting a royal flush during a game of five card draw are in the 1 in 42000 range. After the double triple leg, I got a triple marcus, which is .0146^2 * 0.0018 = about a 1 in 2.5 million shot. Fuck, the odds could adjust based on how often you play.

QUOTE

I'm going to host because he's too high in level, and my mechromancer hasn't even made it to sanctuary

I got a siren I could throw in.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 10 2012,19:16

(Malcolm @ Nov. 10 2012,11:28)

QUOTE

< Codes >. Yes, new ones.

Bump. Even newer ones.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 10 2012,19:51

Won't be BL2'ing tonight. Other things. LoL away.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 11 2012,10:10

(Malcolm @ Nov. 10 2012,21:16)

QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Nov. 10 2012,11:28)

QUOTE

< Codes >. Yes, new ones.

Bump. Even newer ones.

And again.

EDIT: This code looks to have a finite quantity of keys available. They last as long as they last.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 12 2012,19:34

Wednesday? Also thinking of burning another purple key, but I got decent blue/green gear already.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 12 2012,19:47

I should be in Wed.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 12 2012,20:28

I am in Wednesday

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 13 2012,10:17

Patch today.

< Notes >

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 13 2012,12:39

(Cakedaddy @ Nov. 13 2012,14:35)

QUOTE

New champ was added too. Have not tried him. Not sure of his op'ness yet.

Wrong game.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 13 2012,13:33

I'm in Wednesday night. What time?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 13 2012,13:45

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 14 2012,07:36

< Code >.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 14 2012,09:20

Why do they give away so much free shit?

Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 14 2012,10:31

They want you to vote for them?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 14 2012,10:53

Ha.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 14 2012,10:56

(Cakedaddy @ Nov. 14 2012,13:31)

QUOTE

They want you to vote for them?

Well done.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 14 2012,13:38

BTW, more codes over the next few days, and another patch today.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 14 2012,14:11

(GORDON @ Nov. 14 2012,11:20)

QUOTE

Why do they give away so much free shit?

1) Because it costs them literally nothing.
2) The run a few weekends ago was a test, I think.
3) Drives traffic to their facebook/youtube/twitter/wherever the fuck the code is posted.
4) They're not unbalancing anything by handing out all the keys. You can twink your characters with minimal effort and resources. It's actually encouraged by the game itself: the Stash in Sanctuary, the badass bonuses applying to all characters across the account, repeated boss battles for legendary drops, etc.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 14 2012,17:56

Will be in game in about 5-10 minutes.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 15 2012,07:31

In retrospect, that center platform in the arena wasn't the best place to fortify in the later stages.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 15 2012,08:37

(Malcolm @ Nov. 15 2012,10:31)

QUOTE

In retrospect, that center platform in the arena wasn't the best place to fortify in the later stages.

It generally kept the ground peeps off of us, except for the grenade throwers. Some of the upper level peeps liked to jump. I can't really think of any other place that would have saved us from getting rushed completely.

And personally, I know there were some grumbles, but I liked how last night played out. Keeping Malcolm alive from afar from wave after wave of assholes was one of those gaming moments I will not soon forget.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 15 2012,08:50

Thoughts:

1) Towards the end of the last wave, we'd get three groups of two enemies each pinning us there in a three-pronged crossfire. There aren't enough strategically placed crates to make it truly defensible. It was good to a point, we just tried to use it too long.

2) How in the fuck do you get the bonus objectives of killing 30+ bandits with crits? I can only think of intentionally doing what we did last night, three snipers up above (intentionally die to get there), one dude (probably assassin) runs around to distract.

3) I can't believe we got through the 5th wave. I had second winds from G's phaselock, gun kills, melee kills, and corrode/fire RoT damage.

If you like that, then the Moxxi DLC from BL1 is for you. I know that the GameStop preorder had something called the Creature Slaughter Dome. Wonder if it's some arena place where you can test out your weapons on various critters instead of just humanoids.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 15 2012,08:52

Also, I've got a theory...

I think that Angel, in spite of her self-identification as an AI, may be a Siren. I don't know if she's human, mechanical, digital, or amalgamation thereof but she keeps saying "phaseshift," once last night and once at the beginning. Lilith had phasewalk in BL1, Maya has phaselock in BL2.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 15 2012,09:00

QUOTE

And personally, I know there were some grumbles, but I liked how last night played out.

Who was grumbling? The only grumbling I heard was not doing the story mission where someone (you) said, "Can you finally put in this power cell?"

Or are you talking about me being irritated that we all died during that fight after being bullied into staying up to play, because the LAST person to criticize anyone else for wanting to go to bed should be you sir.

Actually, the more I think about it, perhaps Cake said something?

And I know Malcolm said something along the lines of it feeling like a cheap victory.

I agree with you both. It was memorable, but I'd like to do it again, and do it right. I wonder if that option is available to us? If not, I guess I'll see it on the next playthrough.

Let's check as soon as we get in game tonight, and if we can do it again, we'll vote on it. Otherwise, we'll head back into the story.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 15 2012,09:21

I think there were some folk intent on going to the Fridge to get reacquainted with Sancutary, then I hit the travel button for Fink's Slaughterhouse.

My label of a cheap victory is about half-serious. My buddy and I got through most of Moxxi's Underdome in BL1 because his phasewalk made his invis long enough for me to snipe perpetually (ammo regen mod + turret) from the penalty box. Yeah, I know it's technically not cheating, but it feels like a less than complete completion. Though, I was kind of impressed the raging goliaths were able to jump up and engage you three. I have a strong desire to find ways to get those optional headshot goals. They have to lead to something interesting. Think we may need to let the raging goliaths do more work for us whenever possible.

In other news, about the "disable Tiny Tina's mines" challenge...
Turns out there are two distinct kinds of mines around the Tundra Express region (where we hit the train last night). Some, laid out by other folk, are red. Some, laid out by Tiny specifically, are pink. Only the pink ones can be disabled. The red ones just explode regardless if you get too close.

Posted by Stranger on Nov. 15 2012,09:51

How do you know if the update downloads on steam? i think i read somewhere that all i gotta do is restart steam. is this correct? or do i need to find the patch somewhere?

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 15 2012,10:05

When you launch the game it will download it

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 15 2012,10:38

Yeah. A small alert box appears. If you aren't watching, you can easily miss it.

Posted by Stranger on Nov. 15 2012,11:27

cool. thanks... u all playing tonight?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 15 2012,12:28

Playing something, don't know what yet.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 15 2012,12:53

Well, if we're playing BL2, let's continue on the story out of the gate, so we can get to the finish line. That'll make our playing schedule and partners more flexible.

I'm really looking forward to my second playthrus.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 15 2012,14:55

The second playthrough is interesting because of the True Vault Hunter mode that's supposed to up the ante on the enemies.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 15 2012,15:02

Will be on tonight. Time?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 15 2012,15:18

Me 9. Everyone else probably later and gay.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 15 2012,15:24

(Leisher @ Nov. 15 2012,14:53)

QUOTE

We just going to kick the sidequests to the wayside? Technically speaking, the arena wasn't required and that was about the most fun I've had thus far in BL2.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 15 2012,15:36

(Malcolm @ Nov. 14 2012,10:36)

QUOTE

< Code >.

Bump.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 15 2012,15:37

Latest code was from the 14th. Where's the new one?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 15 2012,15:40

It was from last night. I didn't have it. It was new to me.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 15 2012,17:19

(Malcolm @ Nov. 15 2012,18:24)

QUOTE

(Leisher @ Nov. 15 2012,14:53)

QUOTE

We just going to kick the sidequests to the wayside? Technically speaking, the arena wasn't required and that was about the most fun I've had thus far in BL2.

Not what I said.

I'll be on sometime between 9-10. My kids are at the watermark and will be home at any time between no and 9 or so. I'll get on after they're in bed.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 15 2012,17:45

I probably won't be on until 915 or so. More car things. I swear to fuck, everyone that touched my car yesterday except me is a fucking moron. I'm starting to get that really possessive "Can I see your common sense credentials" feeling I usually only get when letting others near my computer.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 16 2012,07:53

I did some checking on Moxxi's tip jar.

~$10K: achievement unlocked (not a badass challenge)
~$20K: Miss Moxxi's Bad Touch ... corrosive SMG
~$40K: Mixx Moxxi's Good Touch ... fire SMG ... this gun is given about every ~$40K worth of tips.

In addition, badass tokens are unlimited in quantity. Each character you make starts with blank challenges. Completing challenges earns badass ranks earns badass tokens. Tokens gives you bonuses that get applied to all characters across an account. The amount of badass ranks it takes to get a token goes up exponentially proportional to the number of tokens earned (exponent is 1.8). There are 14 stats you can boost with a token, initially at 1% each. As you apply more tokens to a stat, the benefit decreases, eventually flattening out at 0.1%.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 16 2012,08:56

Thoughts on the Slaughterhouse arena...

1) Aside from a buzzard or two, it was mainly human enemies. That says to me we need fire for flesh, shock for shields, slag for setup.

2) Everyone needs one of each gun type to maximize ammo usage.

3) A static position does not work in all circumstances. When there are swarms of lowly critters trying to get us (normal psychos, midgets, rats, etc.) we can beat them back pretty solidly. When there are 2-3 small groups of badasses drilling us from separate angles, it's time to move to one corner and start the "slag and murder" process.

4) If a wave is coming to an end (they are discrete), whittle down the crowd to one enemy. Leave him be while everyone goes around and loots. The first time around, the containers will be there.

5) Phaselocked enemies are ten times easier to headshot.

6) The optional goals (critical hit kills) sound like a bitch, but doable with enough discipline.

7) I'm just guessing here, but it seems easier to snipe and headshot folk from the viewing elevator as opposed to on the field.

Posted by Stranger on Nov. 16 2012,11:35

< http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=198961 >

New DLC is dropping on the 20th! gonna have to buy the season pass tonight

< http://www.ign.com/article....gue-dlc >

another article about the DLC

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 16 2012,12:20

QUOTE

In addition, Mr. Torgue's Campaign of Carnage features appearances from fan-favorite characters like Tiny Tina and Mad Moxxi!

G's daughter and our favourite casino operator make an appearance.

EDIT:

QUOTE

Torgue’s campaign mixes Borderlands 2’s typical mission structure with the Circles of Slaughter seen in the main game, using horde mode-style battles to punctuate story missions throughout its running time, which is roughly the same as the previous expansion.

Ooooh, and wave/horde type assaults like in the Slaughterhouse.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 16 2012,16:33

Anything happening tonight?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 16 2012,16:53

There is at your Mom's house.

Oh, don't get so huffy... I will just be there cleaning.

Her vagina.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 16 2012,17:59

< Another weekend run >.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 16 2012,19:22

I assume no BL2 tonight?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 16 2012,19:23

At least not for a bit. LOL is starting.

Play LOL.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 16 2012,19:43

(GORDON @ Nov. 16 2012,21:23)

QUOTE

At least not for a bit. LOL is starting.

Play LOL.

The dudes I know who aren't you that play LoL are the same dudes I know that play(ed) shit like Gunbound, WoW, Starcraft. Those dudes almost universally worry the hell out of me. I'm not saying you're them or I'll become them or other combination of pronouns and verbs. I'm saying there's a world of them out there. I couldn't imagine putting up with them as an opponent or teammate. I could only put up with the pricks in UO because you were either just a precast exp/ebolt/para/poison/purple/hally whack or recall away from dealing with them.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 17 2012,13:30

The "other" Vault Hunter guy showed up in my game again. This time he was in Scooter's under the stairs where that one lootable box is sitting all alone.

Gave me a blue assault rifle.

I wonder if he's here during every game, and I'm just not noticing him...?

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 17 2012,16:28

I occasionally hit "talk" for the NPCs because their lines are amusing sometimes. Haven't noticed any anonymous vault hunters giving me things. Are you sure you aren't on PCP?

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 17 2012,22:09

Yep.

Both times I've checked him out closely, and then when I finally talk to him, he says something about fellow vault hunter, then asks if I can use this...and hands me a blue weapon.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 18 2012,09:23

Was out shopping yesterday and the item of the day was a slag SMG. Awesome. I buy it and spin the wheel at Moxxi's once. Trip triple eridium. Figured I'd quit while I was ahead.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 18 2012,16:06

Anything tonight? We've got about a dozen sidequests to pick from.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 18 2012,16:09

I'm in, 9ish.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 18 2012,18:42

Something just dawned on me...

1) nothing happening tonight
2) Mondays and Tuesday are typically out
3) this week, from Wednesday evening to Sunday afternoon I'll be out of town

So uh, Christ on a crutch, next Wednesday?

EDIT: I'd expect something similar around the Jesus-Santa Gift Extravaganza five weeks from now.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 18 2012,19:34

Nothing happens Sundays. The Walking Dead is on.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 19 2012,07:04

(Leisher @ Nov. 18 2012,21:34)

QUOTE

Nothing happens Sundays. The Walking Dead is on.

Yeah, I'd say that's an accurate description of that show.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 19 2012,07:19

(Malcolm @ Nov. 19 2012,10:04)

QUOTE

(Leisher @ Nov. 18 2012,21:34)

QUOTE

Nothing happens Sundays. The Walking Dead is on.

Yeah, I'd say that's an accurate description of that show.

Reality Malcolm

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 20 2012,10:34

So, this came out today...

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 20 2012,10:38

Looks like lots of Bay-splosions.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 20 2012,18:22

hehehe It has "The Forge" in it. Awesome.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 21 2012,12:36

That is Badassaurus. I assume at some point you either drive or destroy it.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 25 2012,08:26

Well, I bought the game from the Steam sale. We'll see if I can learn anything.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 25 2012,09:49

I'm back, biatches.

Although, it's rather bad timing that it's at the beginning of the 3-day no play period.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 25 2012,09:54

Been playing through 2 as Axton, currently level 12, or so. Auto turrets rule.

Being able to hear all the dialogue and shit, because there aren't 4 people pushing 4 buttons at once everywhere on everything, each of which triggers dialogue, is nice. Handsome Jack is actually hilarious. I completely missed the "Ass Stallion" jokes when I played with the group.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 25 2012,10:12

The Claptrap party was fucking hilarious.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 25 2012,14:44

< Leish's "mysterious" NPC vault hunter >. Ran into him today.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 25 2012,14:49

Level 3. I die a lot. I run out of ammo a lot.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 25 2012,16:02

Catt, if you're having problems switch to Axton or the Mechromancer.

The turret or Deathtrap will do a lot of the killing for you.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 25 2012,16:06

Does one have to pay to unlock the mechromancer?

Also, Catt, you should have started with BL1. Fun game, and a lot of the stuff in BL2 will make more sense with proper context.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 25 2012,16:07

Gordo is right about BL1. A lot of the story features folks from the first game. In fact, aside from Handsome Jack, I think everyone returns from the first game.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 25 2012,17:28

I am playing Axton. I'm level 4 now, turret isn't until 5 if I understand correctly. I finally have a full complement of guns types, and haven't died since I learned to switch between them better. Have died 4 times so far, but finally have 2 second chance lives now. Oh, shield at level 3 helped a lot too. And learning to run. And crouch.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 25 2012,18:01

OK, bought 1 as well, since it was only $7.50 GOTY edition.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 25 2012,18:51

(TheCatt @ Nov. 25 2012,21:01)

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OK, bought 1 as well, since it was only $7.50 GOTY edition.

I think the mood music in 1 is better.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 25 2012,20:04

(GORDON @ Nov. 25 2012,18:06)

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Does one have to pay to unlock the mechromancer?

Free with preorder, otherwise, I think $10.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 25 2012,21:14

Humor is better in 2 though.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 25 2012,21:15

(Leisher @ Nov. 26 2012,00:14)

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Humor is better in 2 though.

Yes, there's nothing in game 1 like Handsome Jack.

BL1 humor spoiler below:

The chick who was going batshit insane from too much solitude giving her underwear to the first person she met in 2 years was pretty funny, though.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 26 2012,12:07

Another code was released today.

Also, < go here > and vote for BL2. Gearbox says good things will happen if they win...

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 26 2012,12:36

(Malcolm @ Nov. 16 2012,20:59)

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< Another weekend run >.

Just bumping this.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 26 2012,17:45

Well, here's something I'm not used to: Enemies respawn whenever you travel back to where they were.

I'm used to Dragon Age-You clear em out, they're gone.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 26 2012,21:02

They respawn, but it never gets annoying because you can usually travel past them if you don't feel like fighting them.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 27 2012,05:44

There was some mission where they kept respawning as I went up and down stairs. That was annoying, but taught me to stop doing that.

Falling in the icy water, however, I did not learn as fast. Fell in twice last night. Survived... but sucked. I was perched on a glacier sniping enemies and I either accidentally moved off, or a grenade moved me. Oooooops.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 27 2012,05:59

Many enemies have the ability to move you. A good tactic for you would be to position yourself so that you're a good distance from the enemies, before they go aggro, and start sniping. They'll run at you, but you should drop a few or most before they get there. Then switch to close range weapons, and drop your turret if needed.

If you have trouble with mobility, make sure you lean towards guns with bigger magazines and quick reload times. Sure that other gun might hit for double the damage, but that's at 5 shots every ten seconds, while the SMG you're holding hits them 50 times in that span...

Also, when you're fighting bosses, or really tough enemies, try to focus them. If they take you down, you can then focus on a weaker enemy while you're dying and get that second wind. Since you're using Axton, your turret will get you a lot of second winds.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 27 2012,06:12

Ahhh, didn't realize the turret could get me a second wind, good to know. I got some weapon yesterday that confused me. I loaded it up, and the aiming icon was a grid of yellow boxes.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 27 2012,07:22

Always snipe before engaging. Don't be afraid to use grenades. I prefer MIRVs.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 27 2012,07:24

I like the singularity grenades. Even if you miss, you don't...

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 27 2012,07:25

MIRVs pretty much can't miss. Mine shoots out about 10 other grenades from it. BAY-SPLOSIONS!

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 27 2012,09:26

(Malcolm @ Nov. 27 2012,10:22)

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Always snipe before engaging. Don't be afraid to use grenades. I prefer MIRVs.

Problem with grenades is that you can only hold 3, right? I got a grenade modifier the other day, but rarely get grenades to pick up. Boom and Bewm had several, but that's about it.

And I keep running out of sniping ammo on big missions.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 27 2012,10:09

There are ways to increase your ammo capacity, but not until later on. Early going, you'll be running out of ammo often. Keep one gun of each type and loot everything. Always load up on ammo before leaving an ammo shop.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 27 2012,10:55

So far I have never bought ammo, but will probably need to start doing that eventually. I've been trying to save my favorite weapons (sniper), using junkier weapons, saving the better ones for when I need them.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 27 2012,11:12

Ammo will become less of a problem once you hit Sanctuary and will continue to dwindle in importance after that. Up until then, it's cheap ($10-20 per mag/clip depending on type). Always walk away from the ammo store completely full. The only time I had ammo trouble after that was the arena we went through; that was an edge case.

Going solo as Axton, though, deploy that turret as much as possible because it will draw a lot of fire. During cooldown, take cover and wait until redeploy. Get skills/relics/class mods that lower cooldown.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 27 2012,11:18

Speaking of which, I've started gathering skill points, but not sure how to use them. Any advice for Axton? Put it in the turret?

< Build suggestion >

Doesn't say what order to put them in though, like turret first, or healing, or which?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 27 2012,11:29

(TheCatt @ Nov. 27 2012,14:18)

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Basically, do whatever suits your play style.... or, at least, the play style you wish to pursue. I am putting all of my points into Axton's turret in my solo play, but there are the other paths, as well.

Out of curiosity, you have a good gaming mouse, yes? I can't imagine trying to play a FPS any more without a mouse with a high refresh rate and programmable sensitivity right on the hardware.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 27 2012,11:31

The thing I like to keep in mind is that I'm building up to the last item in a particular skill tree. For Axton, the one that's most popular is the tree that ends with the dual turret ability.

Guerilla: Sentry, Willing, Scorched Earth (if you want rocket turrets)
Gunpowder: Seems like it's mainly about increasing character gun damage/reload/etc. Haven't explored/though about this branch much yet. The Longbow turrets don't seem to be that awesome to me.
Survival: All about making Axton a bitch to kill. Dual turret tree, develop this one. Preparation, Phalanx, Resourceful, Grit, Gemini, Quick Charge.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 27 2012,11:33

That is not how I built my Axton, and honestly, do it however it fits your play style. Don't feel like you have to copy what works for someone else.

For example, that build goes for the shields and skips the two turrets. So that guy probably stays close to his turrets.

I don't. I drop my turret and then run headfirst into enemies. I don't need that shield.

I'm currently building towards the ability to drop two turrets at the same time. It'll be like having my own army.

And I echo what Malcolm says: "Loot everything." Even if you're full on ammo, keep opening chests for money, eridium, and the bad ass points that come with opening chests.

Always be looting.

Take everything you can back to town and sell it. Build your bankroll up.

And yes, you'll be able to increase the amount of ammo you can carry later in the game.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 27 2012,11:33

Don't sweat making the wrong skills choices, either. Eventually you'll find a "change me" station which will, for a small fee, allow you to reallocate all your skills points however you want. This means you can pull your solo Axton into a co-op game, respec him to fit the team dynamic, and reverse later on for cheap.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 27 2012,12:36

(GORDON @ Nov. 27 2012,14:29)

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Out of curiosity, you have a good gaming mouse, yes? I can't imagine trying to play a FPS any more without a mouse with a high refresh rate and programmable sensitivity right on the hardware.

I have a Logitech G5, I think.
According to Amazon, I have programmable sensitivity:

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In-game sensitivity switching
Get instant access to three sensitivity levels— 400 dpi, 800 dpi, and 2000 dpi. Shift from pixel-precise targeting to fast-twitch maneuvers without pausing the action.

A 1000 reports/second, bi-directional connection delivers blazing speed and instant acceleration.

So it sounds nice. I havent tried the sensitivity switching yet.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 27 2012,13:04

I have the G5 or G7... the number is on the top of the mouse and it is rubbed off. But yes, you have a gaming mouse. So good. It was Quake 3 (or so) when I decided the standard Microsoft Laser Mouse with its 200 DPI was no longer cutting it.

Personally, I like a lower sensitivity setting when I am sniping and zoomed in, for more precise sniping. You might try that.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 27 2012,13:06

More codes released via Twitter today.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 27 2012,13:11

(Leisher @ Nov. 27 2012,16:06)

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More codes released via Twitter today.

They aren't on the codes page yet... only ones I see there are from the 26th and expired.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 27 2012,13:12

(GORDON @ Nov. 26 2012,15:36)

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(Malcolm @ Nov. 16 2012,20:59)

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< Another weekend run >.

Just bumping this.

again

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 27 2012,14:05

PS3: C3WBT-TX6C3-T55CB-HTWTJ-KZHB5 PC: 535JT-SBJ5C-WF33J-JBTBT-Z35WX X360: KJKJ3-ZBT3F-F9RB6-56JTB-ZKZXF

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 27 2012,14:43

(Leisher @ Nov. 27 2012,16:05)

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PS3: C3WBT-TX6C3-T55CB-HTWTJ-KZHB5 PC: 535JT-SBJ5C-WF33J-JBTBT-Z35WX X360: KJKJ3-ZBT3F-F9RB6-56JTB-ZKZXF

What's your source? Curious. Not on orcz yet.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 27 2012,15:57

Gary Pitchford via Twitter

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 27 2012,17:12

Any ideas about creature leveling? Do creatures spawn at a given level given where they are, or in relation to your level, or some combo? Generally, enemies have been around my own level, or slightly lower. Accidentally stumbled on a place full of 12s (I'm 9) today.

I tend to wander/explore instead of just following the plot/quests.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 27 2012,17:16

Certain areas are made, I believe, keyed into level X (your level). Some areas might go X-1 or X+1, for a simple example.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 27 2012,17:17

(Leisher @ Nov. 27 2012,17:57)

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Gary Pitchford via Twitter

Randy Pitchfork?

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 27 2012,17:42

Randy Pitchford

President of Gearbox Software

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 28 2012,13:09

Tonight? After our, what, 1.5 week hiatus?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 28 2012,13:15

Your hiatus. My Axton is level 12 or something.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 28 2012,13:45

I'm level 9!

What level is your group stuff up to?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 28 2012,13:54

I don't even remember. 20ish?

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 28 2012,15:41

I think 22-25, somewhere in there.

I'll be on, possibly early, but I might get pulled away for a moment to do some insurance thing.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 28 2012,16:32

Killing someone for the money?

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 28 2012,17:21

(Cakedaddy @ Nov. 28 2012,19:32)

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Killing someone for the money?

Usually worth it.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 28 2012,21:11

More code on Orcz.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 29 2012,05:47

Funny. Last night my internet dropped, so I went to the basement to look at the modem.

Which is when I saw my water heater was starting to leak, completely unrelated to the modem, which came back on a minute later.

So I was able to fix the valve in the water heater before it blew out. Because I went to the basement at midnight to check the modem.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 29 2012,06:29

I've got a sniper rifle for you. It does 681 damage and another 100 or so per sec in elemental. It's good against shields. Got it out of the golden chest after you logged.

Something I may have stumbled upon with the golden chest and the slots...

I think what you get might be based upon what you're holding.

When I opened the chest I had 3 sniper rifles in my inventory along with an assault rifle and a handgun.

My existing sniper rifles were all in the 300 points of damage range.

When I was playing slots I had all the sniper rifles in my inventory and it started giving me more sniper rifles. I got one that does 500+ and another doing just less than 650.

It makes me wonder if the game tries to match equipment you're carrying?

We should get all the best handguns, grenades, shields, or whatever and give them to one person and then have them open the chest to see what happens.

Malcolm, you seem to be on the wikis or whatever, has this already been tried?

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 29 2012,07:32

To my knowledge...

- item generation has more possibilities than BL1 (which was already in the tens or hundreds of millions, I think ... certainly millions) ... one does not increase the number of possibilities by placing weird dependencies on random factors like what people have in their backpacks
- item generation is affected by the host's level
- item generation for the gold chest is no different than normal item generation except it restricts the colour to purple or higher
- claim is "more players = more monsters = better loot" ... whether it's because "more monsters = more rolls of the dice" or more players directly means better loot remains to be seen
- I have never read any reports of items you're holding affecting loot generation or anything else besides level

As someone on the wiki said, "You can roll a 20-sided die 100 times and never see a 20. That's not even an odd occurrence in the grand scheme of things." I will say I took out Crawmerax in BL1 near 100 times and never saw a cyan drop, though.

I've seen G pull two snipeys. Didn't someone burn through two keys and get nothing but four class mods or something? I've seen combat rifles pulled when you aren't holding any. I've seen launchers pulled when no one's holding any.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 29 2012,07:44

It just seemed to be an odd coincidence that I started the night with 3 sniper rifles doing 300 or so damage each with various elemental components, and ended the night with more than 1 doing double that damage.

Yeah, sometimes there are odd boosts, but the game absolutely bases some stats in the items on your level.

My mechromancer was level 15 or so and had a sniper rifle doing 125 or something. I walked up to a gun machine and they were selling one in the normal list that did 340+. I bought it, and never saw any other sniper rifles (in her game) doing close to that damage for 6 levels at least.

On top of that, that specific sniper rifle was usable at her low level, yet check the machines in our game, and you'll find ones doing similar damage, but their level will be around 22-23 where we are...

And here's a funny little support email from Gearbox:

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 29 2012,07:51

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My mechromancer was level 15 or so and had a sniper rifle doing 125 or something. I walked up to a gun machine and they were selling one in the normal list that did 340+. I bought it, and never saw any other sniper rifles (in her game) doing close to that damage for 6 levels at least.

I've still got a pistol that's level 15 (I'm now 23) that still does more damage than any other pistol of any colour I've seen thus far. It's blue. That implies there's a purple version that could be pulling more. The stats displayed to you in game are only part of the overall stats of the gun. There are other factors they hide from you. Jacking up the damage might mean killing stability, for instance.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 29 2012,08:29

There are some guns I throw away despite higher damage. In fact, this is what Cake and I were talking about last night. We both hate the assault rifles that shoot in arcs. Those are essentially grenade launchers. The problem is that most of the enemies in the game are ultra mobile or even fly, so I find them to be difficult to use, and the damage isn't that superior usually.

I thought blue was better than purple...

Isn't it white, green, purple, blue, orange, and ?.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 29 2012,08:36

White, Green, Blue, Purple, Orange

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 29 2012,08:39

Consider the colour of a weapon to be a tag affixed to it. Colour represents nothing more than how many standard deviations away the weapon generation was from "normal." This is why a level 20 white weapon will kick the ass of a level 15 purple more often than not. The level affects how powerful an item can be. After the generator gets through distributing all numbers, it gets highlighted a particular hue.

Rarity...

White < Green < Blue < Purple < Orange

EDIT: Check the challenges related to each loot category and you'll see the numbers go down for challenges as colour rarity goes up.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 29 2012,11:25

9 or 10pm EST tonight?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 29 2012,11:39

Don't know. I was stressing half the night about my badly leaking water heater in the basement, and my day still started at 6:30am as usual.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 29 2012,12:16

I'll take his place

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 29 2012,12:37

I'll plan for 9.

In fact, I might even try to start a chat with someone (so I have sound...more on that in a minute), then launch the game and just leave it up until we're actually ready to go. That way you guys can jump into both whenever and shop, loot containers in town, play slots, etc.

Thus, when everyone's on, we should be ready to go right away...

Ok, let's talk bugs. I have seen two bugs that affect my game:
1. If I don't start a Steam voice chat before I launch BL2, I'll have no in game sound.
2. Some games, and only multiplayer games, I will have full ammo according to my weapons, and the ammo vending machine, however if I go up to a chest with ammo I can take them all. Grenades are the only exception.

That second one will be why you see me empty an entire chest of all ammo, or why I wait until everyone else has gotten their ammo. I hit E and it grabs everything. Doesn't happen in solo games though, or in every multi game...

Oh yeah, let's be selective about what we're grabbing and when. There's too much "speed looting"and I don't think we're ensuring our team is built the way it should be built.

For example: If Cake is building Gunzerker as our tank, then he should have the best shields. Although, Malcolm probably has equal claim because he's doing a lot of melee attacks. I would be next based on me usually being right behind those two with my turret. Gordo should have the worst shields since he's the sniper.

I try to focus a variety of weapons, but I've got some love for assault rifles. There's a reason the Commando gets mods specifically for assault rifles... Right now my loadout is sniper, assault rifle, pistol, and rocket launcher. The only one I would like the "best" in our group is the assault rifle. The rest can be hand me downs or middle of the road stuff.

Gordo is the sniper and should have the best sniper rifle in the group.

Cake does loads with shotguns.

Malcolm seems to grab good pistols and SMGs.

I don't think grenades matter...?

Anyway, just wanted to point this out because I think we should focus on maximizing our roles. I don't want to see us get into a situation where our tank has a shield with 800 capacity, while our sniper has one with 3000 and resistance to melee damage.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 29 2012,12:41

Your sniper would.never choose a shield that reduces melee damage, for he is not a fucktard. Just last night i finally got a shield that did better than 700, just fyi.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 29 2012,12:45

You can selectively loot mags from ammo dumps. It's just a thin line between "tap to grab one" and "hold to grab everything."

Gun choice is mainly affected by preference & what mods are available to boost them. There are relics that specifically boost certain attrs for gun types. But class mods are different. Assassin mods are keyed to pistol or snipeys, for guns, or just melee. My looting is simply due to the fact that more loot means more cash means more things to buy. While I'm always on the lookout for better guns than I have currently, I ran tell within a second or so of glancing at an item if I'll give a shit about it. If I do and it's an SMG, I usually grab it. Other than that, I just grab it if it looks like cash fodder.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 29 2012,12:45

(GORDON @ Nov. 29 2012,14:41)

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Your sniper would.never choose a shield that reduces melee damage, for he is not a fucktard. Just last night i finally got a shield that did better than 700, just fyi.

You should probably get an amp shield so it boosts your damage output.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 29 2012,13:18

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Your sniper would.never choose a shield that reduces melee damage, for he is not a fucktard. Just last night i finally got a shield that did better than 700, just fyi.

Your Commando wasn't implying you did, don't be so defensive. It was an example. The sniper is usually part of my examples because he is usually the farthest from fights where he should be...

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You can selectively loot mags from ammo dumps. It's just a thin line between "tap to grab one" and "hold to grab everything."

No, I know how the game works. I'm saying that despite having full ammo, if I go to a chest with ammo, it will show it as if I need it. It won't have the red line through it, and I can take it even though I don't need it. That is a bug. In my solo games, and half the multi games, all the ammo will have the red line, and whether I hold or tap "E", the ammo does not move.

Because of this bug, I don't want to stand there staring at icons in chests, while bring up different weapons and my inventory screen to see what ammo I need. Thus, I just grab an entire chest, particularly if you've all gone over it already or it's out of the way, and you won't ever come near it.

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Gun choice is mainly affected by preference & what mods are available to boost them. There are relics that specifically boost certain attrs for gun types. But class mods are different. Assassin mods are keyed to pistol or snipeys, for guns, or just melee. My looting is simply due to the fact that more loot means more cash means more things to buy. While I'm always on the lookout for better guns than I have currently, I ran tell within a second or so of glancing at an item if I'll give a shit about it. If I do and it's an SMG, I usually grab it. Other than that, I just grab it if it looks like cash fodder.

Again, I know how the game works

My speech was simply about making sure the right folks are getting the right items. We're all in such a mad rush to grab loot so we can play slots that it's out of control.

Remember the Wildlife Exploitation Center we went through last night? Remember all the fights and chests? Know how many items I picked up during that entire map? When we got back to the vending machines in the beginning I sold a shitty relic, shitty pistol, and a shitty shield. Everything else in my inventory was what I brought. (Cake later gave me that assault rifle he found on that map.)

If a mod is in a chest for an Assassin, nobody should be picking it up except you, unless they've asked you if you want it.

If there's a sniper rifle, the sniper should get first dibs. If there's a assault rifle, the commando. Shotguns for the gunzerker. Etc.

Hell, I started the night off last night giving Cake items that I had picked up and saved for him while playing as my mechromancer.

We ALL have been guilty of this crime, so don't think I'm picking on anyone. It's just that the issue really stood out to me last night. Not just because I walked out of that entire map holding three items, but also because my weapons were kind of shitty.

My assault rifle, at that time, was doing 160 or so per shot. That's terrible. I had a mediocre pistol that was hard to aim, and two sniper rifles. Why? Because those were the best guns I had available to me at that point.

If someone else had heavy hitting guns sitting in their inventory not being used, well it fucks us all.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 29 2012,13:24

Jesus, 160? I've had a rifle I picked up in the arena that I never use that does in excess of 200.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 29 2012,13:46

That's my point.

It's supposed to be co-op not every man for himself.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 29 2012,13:48

We don't exactly have HUDs that display our preferred weapons and stats. Hell, I picked up my 1200 shield from the shop.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 29 2012,15:32

Some weapons are obvious, like giving sniper rifles to the sniper or melee based weapons to the guy with a sword. Class specific mods are no brainers...

But you're right, which is why I'm pointing out what I carry.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 29 2012,16:49

I also think that what is shitty to some, is gold to another because they have not seen/had access to, the same weapons. Just because one has a 200+ assault weapons, doesn't mean we have all found one. There have been times where I'll be looking at something and think it's pretty good, then it's gone with someone calling it 'shitty'. I don't say anything because there's normally stuff happening and lots of stuff spawns. But, now I am cause it's a good time to bring it up. Don't assume everyone has the same weapon qualities as you do.

I have actually been using a couple assault weapons more than anything else. When in gunzerker mode, I like having two fast shooting weapons with lots of ammo and damage. Unfortunately, theses are the guns that lob the ammo at them. So, I have to be all up in the monster's business aiming at the ground. But when I do, it seems to melt the monsters pretty good. In my other two slots, I've got either pistols or shotguns depending on current loot status. I have at least one of every other gun/ammo type for those times when I'm out of preferred ammo types. I have 40k+ right now, so I'm not too concerned with selling stuff. I just want better weapons.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 29 2012,17:30

(Leisher @ Nov. 29 2012,16:18)

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Your sniper would.never choose a shield that reduces melee damage, for he is not a fucktard. Just last night i finally got a shield that did better than 700, just fyi.

Your Commando wasn't implying you did, don't be so defensive. It was an example. The sniper is usually part of my examples because he is usually the farthest from fights where he should be...

I was just pitching in my 2 cents. i was not being defensive. YOU are the one being DEFENSIVE. Also something about making you eat your own recycled shit or something.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 29 2012,17:38

Gold key weekend starting the 30th.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 29 2012,20:05

Took a stupid delivery 5 packages in <90 seconds mission. Bah.

Also took a mission to kill someone with a slag weapon, did it. Then, I was supposed to kill 25 bandits with said weapon. Apparently I failed to equip it, and now cannot finish that damned mission,.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 29 2012,20:47

(TheCatt @ Nov. 29 2012,23:05)

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1. I did several dry runs of that "deliver the packages" mission, to get the exact travel route down. I ended up doing the actual mission in about 45 seconds.

2. Peeps respawn. Equip the gun and get your count up. You will actually visit the ammo store several times before you get to 25.

I did those within the last week, so they are fresh.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 30 2012,07:24

Up for finishing the side quests tonight? Only got 3 left, I think.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 30 2012,07:25

(TheCatt @ Nov. 29 2012,22:05)

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Took a stupid delivery 5 packages in <90 seconds mission. Bah.

Wait until you make it to a place called the Highlands and take a quest called "Arms Dealing."

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 30 2012,07:52

Yeah, like Gordon said, I probably need to go there first and map it out. Trying to find the mailboxes cold was awful. At one point, I fell into the water while getting attacked, and ended up under a pier.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 30 2012,07:57

The delivery missions would have to suck solo. We did the both so far with all four of us. First one in one shot. Second one took two tries.

EDIT: Come to think of it, instead of just mapping it, kill the fuckers that spawn there and then start.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 30 2012,10:03

Yeah, so I ended up going back to find all the mailboxes first. They are a lot harder to find without mission flags. At any rate, I found 4 of the 5. But, while doing that, I cleared out all of the enemies. I then went back, took the mission, and finished it with 36 seconds to spare.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 30 2012,12:25

Out tonight. Peeps coming over, and also moving my desk downstairs to the basement.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 30 2012,12:31

Slots BOOM

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 30 2012,12:38

Go ahead and play without me if it is just those low level side missions. Catt can play.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 30 2012,12:38

So... what about money? Do I save it up for something, or blow it on slots?

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 30 2012,12:58

(TheCatt @ Nov. 30 2012,14:38)

QUOTE

So... what about money? Do I save it up for something, or blow it on slots?

Cash is good for a few things non-trade things...

1) challenge-related things ... namely the "For the Hoard" and the other one that relates to buying Items of the Day from shops ... they're fucking expensive

2) slots, also a challenge related to this (get trip triple eridium or trip logos) in addition to the normal item farming

3) Moxxi's tip jar (you will get SMGs if you tip her enough, but it's in the tens of thousands range)

4) insta-rez/respec fees

5) using cash from advanced character A to twink character B by passing items to them via Claptrap's Secret Stash

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 30 2012,15:47

(Malcolm @ Nov. 29 2012,20:38)

QUOTE

Gold key weekend starting the 30th.

10 extra golden keys showed up in my acct today.

I burned 2 so far, got decent, but not great purple weapons.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 30 2012,17:29

I got two shitty blue relics last night when I used a key. Couple decent pistols after that. By the by, first pair of FB/Twit codes expire at 9pm CST.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 30 2012,23:45

Doing this without spoilers...

Was goofing around today, and remembered my Zero who was sitting at lvl 12. Starting taking him through the game since my mechromancer is about where we are with my Axton.

Anyway, you know how you have to rescue the one guy from that big thing? Well, because I was rushing, I didn't have guns that did enough damage before he was taken. Because that happened, I have another mission elsewhere to do. That was new...

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 01 2012,04:21

*expired*

Here's the entire rest of weekend schedule:
Saturday, December 1 - Post at 11AM CT, Active until 2PM CT
Saturday, December 1 - Post at 3PM CT, Active until 6PM CT

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 01 2012,07:58

So, I like to explore, rather than just stick to the missions, etc. Yesterday, I was exploring a city, trying to see if there was an alternate way in, rather than the front door. Or, see if I could snipe people from icebergs. Well, I found an iceberg that seemed to be high enough, but I couldn't quite jump the wall. So I backed up to get a running start. Well, I fell off the edge. And onto another ledge. I couldn't see a way back up, so I decided to jump into the water... and died. Apparently if the water is in the black part of your map, it really doesn't exist.

So then I was exploring and found another part, in Dust. I was climbing ledges with my car, and kinda got stuck. Since falls have never hurt me, I just ran off the edge... and died.

So, then I was exploring again, and found a tiny ledge that I could barely fit my car onto, and was driving along. I then realized that the ledge got too narrow. I started turning the car around, and it fell off, and the screen started to do the blue tunnel graphics of death, BUT I managed to jump out of the car, and back onto the ledge, and live. My car still showed up in the mini-map, but was gone.

Apparently I should quit exploring.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 01 2012,09:31

CB53T-R99X5-5XTJJ-BB3JB-BWTKR
5TW3T-S3BHW-56TTJ-TTJJJ-96HTT

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 01 2012,11:48

We had a bridge that Cakedaddy fucked up so we couldn't walk over it.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 01 2012,13:37

When I logged off a couple nights ago, I could've sworn I had under 20 keys and I'd spent all my badass points. Haven't played since then except to log in, enter shift codes, and maybe check shops. As of this afternoon, I have 39 keys and 38 badass tokens. I don't remember where the hell I got all those keys from. I thought I was down to 17 or 18 or 19 and I'd be up to ~30 by weekend's end.

Also, last set of codes is up. However, recall that last time they had bonus codes at the end, so keep watching.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 01 2012,17:40

BL2 tonight?

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 01 2012,20:02

Yeah, like I said, an extra 10 or so ended up in my acct the other day. Didn't really think about BA pts, since I rarely cash them in, but some extras may have popped up there too.

Just got pack from a holiday party.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 01 2012,22:50

Wtf? Someone else got a 10-key boost? Anyone else?

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 02 2012,14:50

Whoa, last mission was pretty dam hard. Died at least 4 times but got second wind every time.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 02 2012,20:03

(Leisher @ Dec. 01 2012,02:45)

QUOTE

Anyway, you know how you have to rescue the one guy from that big thing? Well, because I was rushing, I didn't have guns that did enough damage before he was taken. Because that happened, I have another mission elsewhere to do. That was new...

Exact same thing happened to me, with the exact same result.

Neat.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 03 2012,04:19

Well, I missed out. What was the additional thing like?

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 03 2012,05:48

Basically a rescue mission to the same place where you save Carson in the "The Good, the Bad, and the Mordecai" mission.

Instead of a WAR Loader being there, there's a WAR Loader and a Constructor.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 03 2012,06:04

(Leisher @ Dec. 03 2012,08:48)

QUOTE

Basically a rescue mission to the same place where you save Carson in the "The Good, the Bad, and the Mordecai" mission.

Instead of a WAR Loader being there, there's a WAR Loader and a Constructor.

Haven't been there yet.... So basically, it gets even harder?

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 03 2012,06:51

It's harder because the Constructor constantly makes more bots.

However, if you have the right weapons and tactics, you'll be fine.

Just remember with the robots to aim for their joints.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 03 2012,07:31

Bots? Load up on corrosive. Miss Moxxi's Bad Touch should destroy them. Course, it's about $20K. Chews through them like Pez, though.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 03 2012,08:33

(Malcolm @ Dec. 03 2012,10:31)

QUOTE

Bots? Load up on corrosive. Miss Moxxi's Bad Touch should destroy them. Course, it's about $20K. Chews through them like Pez, though.

The problem i had with it this go.round was yeah, i was loaded up with corrode weapons.... and this thing had a strong ass shield.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 03 2012,08:34

Yeah corrosive = friend on bots. Mostly, I just focused on the single one holding the guy, and used RPG to blow it up, letting my turret do its job on everything else.

Ah, I also had grenades that target shields... whichever damage that is.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 03 2012,09:00

Oh yeah, forgot about the shields they've got.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 03 2012,09:29

At this point I've gotten everything out of the slots possible except the triple borderlands / orange weapon and the 4-eridium 12-spew.

Does anyone actually use character skins, or just sell them off?

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 03 2012,09:44

I'm L17. Was exploring today and found a new place full of L20-22 creatures. My critical headshots were no longer one shots.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 03 2012,09:46

I apply the customizations (skins/heads). If I get dupes, I sell them.

The trip triple eridium will come, just give it a bit. I've seen Leish and Cake hit it, and I have as well. I have yet to see trip logos, though.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 03 2012,10:00

Dont really care about trip eridium, unless it gives me an achievement or such. For customization - any reason to use them? Just look pretty or something?

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 03 2012,10:15

Trip logos or trip triple eridium unlocks a Sanctuary challenge. Customizations are entirely cosmetic*. However, as the '80s taught me, nothing is more important than looking cool.

* there comes a part in the game where cosmetic temporarily matters

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 03 2012,10:28

I collect all the skins I can get. I just like having options. I'll change up my character's look prior to each gaming session just because. Plus, it only takes 10 seconds.

Triple eridium is a challenge and might be an achievement, not sure.

I have yet to hit triple BL symbols or triple bells. I've hit everything else.

By the way Catt, if you're new to BL you should know that the next playthrough is even more fun as the enemies get ramped up even further.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 03 2012,10:53

Does the next playthough start over at L1, or continue on? I cant imagine much harder challenges than I was going through.

Guess I'll have to find out what a Sanctuary Challenge is.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 03 2012,11:03

(TheCatt @ Dec. 03 2012,12:53)

QUOTE

Does the next playthough start over at L1, or continue on? I cant imagine much harder challenges than I was going through.

Guess I'll have to find out what a Sanctuary Challenge is.

At the end of playthrough 1, you get all your gear and levels, etc. when you start playthrough 2. It also unlocks "True Vault Hunter" mode, which ups the difficulty level on the enemies.

QUOTE

Triple eridium is a challenge and might be an achievement, not sure.

Challenge, not achievement. Achievements mean jackshit as far as in-game rewards.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 04 2012,08:08

Finally got a ton of slot eridium last night. Got about 36 units in only 80 pulls, maxed out storage.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 04 2012,08:29

Backpack and bank storage will go a longer way in solo mode. I've almost never had my pack filled up playing co-op with 3 other folk.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 04 2012,08:43

(Malcolm @ Dec. 04 2012,11:29)

QUOTE

Backpack and bank storage will go a longer way in solo mode. I've almost never had my pack filled up playing co-op with 3 other folk.

Mine gets full on every mission.

Bank, I've never had to bother with yet. I've only got 1 item in there.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 04 2012,09:12

Banks become interesting when you're swapping guns. Ultimately, every character in your account has access to everyone else's guns once you reach Sanctuary.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 04 2012,09:59

I need to make a YouTube video called Curiosity Kills TheCatt

Of my last 8 deaths, 6 were self-inflicted in some way.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 04 2012,13:33

Well, fuck me the game just got hard.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 04 2012,13:56

What mission?

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 04 2012,14:10

Sanctuary flew up... two different missions: 1 is optional, the waves and waves of bandits in the arena. The other was those damned crystal looking monsters, and then trying to get through the eridium refinery.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 04 2012,14:34

Ah, the circle of slaughter in solo mode. That'll be interesting.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 04 2012,14:43

(Malcolm @ Dec. 04 2012,17:34)

QUOTE

Ah, the circle of slaughter in solo mode. That'll be interesting.

It's expensive... dropped $6k dying 3 times.

Wish I could hide my money... guess that's what the slot machine's for, kinda.

I saw the highest level Goliath I've ever seen. I probably just need to go back and bring fire.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 04 2012,16:25

QUOTE

1 is optional, the waves and waves of bandits in the arena.

Definitely better with a friend(s).

Fire would help since there are no robots or fire based baddies.

Try to move a lot. Use your turret as much as possible. If you're facing big Goliaths make sure there are easier enemies nearby you can get a second wind off of...

QUOTE

The other was those damned crystal looking monsters

The big ones with three legs, and each leg has a golden crystal? They're super easy to defeat. Hint: Use melee attacks.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 04 2012,16:41

And aim for the gold.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 04 2012,17:47

That's what I said.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 04 2012,19:32

Yeah, I figured it out tonight when I was going through the hole where Sanctuary used to be. I wouldn't say super easy, since Im so fragile... I ran into 5 of them at once in one place. Took my time and got through them, but damn it took a while.

Haven't gone back to the arena yet, but I burned a couple golden keys so I've got better weapons now.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 04 2012,20:47

You know that big hole where Sanctuary used to be?

Jump into it. Seriously.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 05 2012,06:27

You know what's hard without backup? Caustic Caverns.

Human enemies come at you, and are predictable. The Vorkids, Spiderants, and tentacles come from every direction, and there's a lot of them.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2012,07:11

If you're solo'ing the arena, enrage the goliaths so they take out things for you.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 05 2012,07:19

Didn't realize just how much those melee attacks helped on the legs. That's a whole different world. I was wondering why they put such a hard to kill monster in.

Caustic Caverns wasn't god awful, but man it took me a while. I think I spent 2 hours going through the missions there last night. Lots of running, turreting, regenning, etc. Died 1x.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2012,07:22

Did you listen to the ECHO recordings in the cave? I thought they mentioned something about the critters being fragile.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 05 2012,07:39

(Malcolm @ Dec. 05 2012,10:22)

QUOTE

Did you listen to the ECHO recordings in the cave? I thought they mentioned something about the critters being fragile.

Well, in retrospect, it kinda rang a bell, but I'm not very good at paying attention to words when being attacked at the same time.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 05 2012,08:22

QUOTE

Well, in retrospect, it kinda rang a bell, but I'm not very good at paying attention to words when being attacked at the same time.

Then you know what you need to work on to get better...

I usually don't pick up mission items until I've cleared an area just so I can hear the story.

As Gordo pointed out, he missed the Butt Stallion conversation, and I was pissed that everyone in my group missed "At the sound of Henshaw screaming in agony, it will be 2:30."

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2012,08:34

I just realized... Handsome Jack is this game's Cave Johnson.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2012,08:40

(GORDON @ Dec. 05 2012,10:34)

QUOTE

I just realized... Handsome Jack is this game's Cave Johnson.

< Former postmaster general, Cave Johnson >?

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 05 2012,09:17

(GORDON @ Dec. 05 2012,11:34)

QUOTE

I just realized... Handsome Jack is this game's Cave Johnson.

Every time I hear Handsome Jack, I think of Archer. Which makes him that more entertaining.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 05 2012,11:49

(Leisher @ Dec. 04 2012,23:47)

QUOTE

You know that big hole where Sanctuary used to be?

Jump into it. Seriously.

I jumped into it before jumping into it was cool. When Sanctuary was launching, I was apparently standing in the wrong place and fell in. And died.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 05 2012,12:00

(TheCatt @ Dec. 05 2012,14:49)

QUOTE

(Leisher @ Dec. 04 2012,23:47)

QUOTE

You know that big hole where Sanctuary used to be?

Jump into it. Seriously.

I jumped into it before jumping into it was cool. When Sanctuary was launching, I was apparently standing in the wrong place and fell in. And died.

What? Did you get the message that you completed the challenge? (I think it's "Jumping down the rabbit hole" or something.)

I don't even think it's possible to fall in when Sanctuary is launching as she ports you out of the city. You probably fell off the bridge she teleports you to...

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 05 2012,13:24

Yes, it is completely possible to fall in when it's launching.... the thing rises up, leaving a big hole in the middle, and if you're standing there - goodbye.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 05 2012,13:29

What? You're gone before it lifts off the ground.

I've played through that scene three times.

You get warped out across the bridge, and you watch it take off from there.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 05 2012,14:16

Right, before it lifts off. When the thing in the middle that whatshername touches to make it fly rises up. It leaves a void.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 05 2012,14:27

Here... you can fall here if you are standing very near to her

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2012,16:01

That's not what he meant when he said, "Jump in the hole it leaves."

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2012,16:04

Also one night on voice I was saying, "There is no Sanctuary" and no one got it.

It's from Logan's Run.

Here it is.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 05 2012,16:16

(GORDON @ Dec. 05 2012,19:01)

QUOTE

That's not what he meant when he said, "Jump in the hole it leaves."

I know. I'm just saying, I jumped in a hole before The Hole.

And died. I swear, I've died every way possible in this game... Just call me TPR

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2012,16:29

You're Rory.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2012,17:10

I won't be available tonight. Feel free to LoL or grab Catt.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2012,17:32

2 new codes on orcz.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2012,17:45

(Malcolm @ Dec. 05 2012,20:32)

QUOTE

2 new codes on orcz.

In the time it took you to make this post you could have also cut and pasted the codes.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2012,17:48

(GORDON @ Nov. 27 2012,16:12)

QUOTE

(GORDON @ Nov. 26 2012,15:36)

QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Nov. 16 2012,20:59)

QUOTE

< Another weekend run >.

Just bumping this.

again

Again. 6 pages back full of Catt's "omg guyz i suck lol" posts.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2012,17:51

And there were 3, there.

5T5B3-CWJSK-KRTJT-TTJJT-9HW63
WTWTJ-353WW-5F3TB-BBBJT-HJSKB
53CJJ-K5TC5-KR3BB-3B33T-XSHJB

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 06 2012,11:15

Should be available tonight.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 06 2012,12:27

I'm a maybe for tonight. I might be there on time and ready or I might be on closer to 10 or even later.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 06 2012,15:03

(GORDON @ Dec. 05 2012,19:51)

QUOTE

And there were 3, there.

5T5B3-CWJSK-KRTJT-TTJJT-9HW63
WTWTJ-353WW-5F3TB-BBBJT-HJSKB
53CJJ-K5TC5-KR3BB-3B33T-XSHJB

I only remember entering 2. Although, I apparently have entered all 3 of these codes at some point. Wtf?

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 07 2012,06:00

One of those was older.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 07 2012,19:00

Malcolm has to find his own, but everyone else can use this:
W3KTT-ZW39K-56TJ3-J333T-X9FKH
5TCTJ-XC3S5-C6JJT-3JTTT-HFBW9
K3KJ3-3RT95-KXB3B-BBTBT-CB6KH
C3C3J-KFTHW-WX3JJ-3BTJ3-ZR6B9

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 07 2012,22:41

Additional code dropped ...

WTKT3-BSJSK-5XBTT-B333T-963SF

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 09 2012,09:09

Went back last night and went through the slaughterhouse. MUCH easier with smarter weapons (fire damage), a few more levels, and just knowing what to expect. I died once, fought for my life 2x.

I upgraded a Goliath to "hulking mass of destruction," which apparently isn't quite enough for the achievement. But that dude kicked some enemy ass.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 09 2012,10:09

Ooooo.. was going through my weapons this morning after last night's hours in the challenge... I got my first orange, and never even noticed it. I just kept looking at it this morning like "Why is this weapon $5k?"

< Link >

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 10 2012,06:27

Jimmy Jenkins appeared to my Mechromancer two times this weekend. Both times were in the Wildlife Exploitation Preserve. Once in an ammo chest near the docks, and the other in a box near Bloodwing's enclosure.

In fact, I've discovered there's a trick to the boxes near Bloodwing's enclosure. I've played through that section of the game multiple times now (I'm playing through with Axton, Gaige, and Zer0.) and each time I notice monsters hop out of those boxes. Although, one of the 4 boxes has an echo recorder or something in it. Don't grab that until after you've opened all 4 boxes.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 10 2012,07:44

If you check the wiki, it says we already completed the mission that you need to leave uncompleted to make Jimmy spawn. He's got other locations, though.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 10 2012,07:57

I don't check the Wiki.

However, my mechromancer is right behind us in the story, so I don't know what mission would've been completed that stops him from spawning that she wouldn't have done...?

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 10 2012,08:21

< Vote BL2 for Game of the Year. >

Pitchford has implied that we all win if it wins...

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 10 2012,10:09

I haven't found Jimmy or the Vault Hunter either.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 10 2012,10:34

Malcolm and Stranger (?), you guys get on the wiki, right?

What are the odds of seeing Jimmy Jenkins? What mission can't you finish or he won't spawn? Stranger told me that seeing him is very rare, especially in solo and outside that one room?

What about the odds of seeing the "other" Vault Hunter in Sanctuary? I've seen him three times now.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 10 2012,10:45

QUOTE

What about the odds of seeing the "other" Vault Hunter in Sanctuary? I've seen him three times now.

He can spawn at a few different locales in Sanctuary. Wiki says 10% flat chance. I assume 10% chance to spawn, then he gets a location to spawn at. After that, there's a distribution for the blue (95%), purple (4%), and orange (0.5%) items from him.

QUOTE

What are the odds of seeing Jimmy Jenkins? What mission can't you finish or he won't spawn? Stranger told me that seeing him is very rare, especially in solo and outside that one room?

QUOTE

He appears in Opportunity, the Wildlife Exploitation Preserve ... or the Hyperion base in Thousand Cuts.

Jimmy Jenkins is a mini-loader robot that's functionally a loot midget (one of those dudes that jumps out of boxes/chests occasionally). Loot midgets seem to have fixed containers that might spawn them. In other words, Jimmy's a tiny robot that, from time to time, will pop out of certain boxes in certain areas of certain maps.

QUOTE

He can be made to appear consistently in the Wildlife Exploitation Preserve so long as the mission Doctor's Orders has not been completed.

That's the one where you pick up slag samples for Tanis. We did that on our first run through.

EDIT: As a sidenote, only the dude that lands the killing shot on Jimmy makes any progress towards the achievement.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 12 2012,16:06

Probably won't be on tonight. Been sick for the past couple days, and the trend is continuing.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 12 2012,17:51

(Malcolm @ Dec. 12 2012,19:06)

QUOTE

Probably won't be on tonight. Been sick for the past couple days, and the trend is continuing.

Herpes?

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 12 2012,19:02

(GORDON @ Dec. 12 2012,20:51)

QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Dec. 12 2012,19:06)

QUOTE

Probably won't be on tonight. Been sick for the past couple days, and the trend is continuing.

Herpes?

Can you get that from your hand?

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 12 2012,20:48

Fuck both y'all. Due to the seriousness of the sickness, I had to skip a trip to the bar Tuesday. Betting I'll be in decent enough shape to aim a gun properly tomorrow.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 12 2012,21:08

Well that wasn't a 'no.'

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 13 2012,06:51

There's an update coming out today. The X-Box has already gotten it. PS3 and PC updates are expected later on.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 13 2012,09:55

Patch looks like it'll allow you to reset your badass challenge progress to 0.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 13 2012,10:00

(Malcolm @ Dec. 13 2012,12:55)

QUOTE

Patch looks like it'll allow you to reset your badass challenge progress to 0.

Any more I just keep putting points into whatever is at the top of the list.

Aint nobody got time for that.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 13 2012,10:07

Not the tokens, the challenges. Finding Jimmy Jenkins is a challenge. After you max it out, you can knock it down to 0 and gain new tokens.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 13 2012,10:07

< Claptrap webseries. >

Mostly from the first game, and all about Claptrap...and Steve (Heyoooh!).

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 13 2012,16:39

KJ5BT-FBKSK-KXJ3T-3BTJT-FJX5C

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 13 2012,18:31

May be fucked tonight. Can't connect to Steam.

EDIT: Fine now.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 13 2012,21:53

We had the thief deduced no more than five minutes after you left.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2012,05:10

And I was asleep 10 minutes before I left.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 14 2012,06:13

I heard you yawning between 10-11.

Also, I assume the weekend will be mostly gaming free as you're seeing The Hobbit tonight, and I've got my company Christmas party tomorrow.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2012,07:21

1. Do we all have the BL2 season pass? If not, do we all have the DLC or plan to get it?
2. We plan to play through that after the story quest?

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2012,07:33

I will probably get the season pass.

You guys can prolly go through it with Catt or something since I am the party pooper who wants to be in bed by midnight during the week.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 14 2012,07:40

I don't have season pass either. The game is kinda expensive, and season pass doesn't include all DLC, which I find mildly offensive.

I am also hoping season pass goes on sale during the winter sale.

As for the thief, I just shot someone randomly. I wasn't paying attention to what they said. It still completes the mission.

Let me know if yall are up / a slot is open for re-play when you get to that point. I'm still not there.

Those golden keys finally have value to me. The game seems to shift difficulty based on major events. I had weapons 3 levels below my level, and just started dying a lot. Burned 3 keys, and was back in business.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 14 2012,07:59

I have the season pass, and thus, the first two DLC.

Catt, it does cover all the DLC. What it doesn't cover are the two things that came out this week, but that's because they weren't officially DLC. Those two things were add-ons to those who purchased the collector's edition of the game.

I consider the DLCs off the main story, and they aren't even all out yet. So if anyone wants to play them at any time, I'm game. Especially, since Gordo is opting out. However, I will not bring my Axton into them until I've finished playing through the main storyline with Cake, Gordo, and Malcolm.

That means you'll be playing with my lvl 29 Gaige or my lvl 23 Zer0.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2012,08:02

I think we've only got about two more sessions (at most) before the main storyline is done for us. At that point, both your Axton and my Zer0 will be available (all my other characters are single digit levels).

I'd like to max out my assassin to get his skill points maxed.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 14 2012,08:04

I figured we had to be close considering what has happened in the story.

I want to max out Axton too. I'm really looking forward to my second playthrough when the game gets more difficult.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2012,08:13

If I keep my current class mod for another couple levels, I think I can cheat my way to the deepest spot in my skill tree of choice. If I stealth and kill someone while invis, predator-mode gets extended and another decoy spawns. I need to couple this with the skill that makes my decoys explode for shock damage.

Posted by Stranger on Dec. 14 2012,08:40

I also have the DLC and if anyone is interested in playing im always down. Currently i have a level 30 Axton, level 17 Maya and level 11 Zero.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 14 2012,11:56

I have an L32 (33?) Axton, and that's it. But no DLC. Steam sale starts 12/20, hoping for a discount there. It's being discounted on Xbox's holiday sale.

Posted by Stranger on Dec. 14 2012,12:35

i have long imagined what kinda damage output 4 Axtons could do. All them turrets and firepower, oh yeah, that would be a sight to see.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2012,12:39

(Stranger @ Dec. 14 2012,15:35)

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i have long imagined what kinda damage output 4 Axtons could do. All them turrets and firepower, oh yeah, that would be a sight to see.

Those turret rockets do friendly fire damage, right?

I would imagine I would want to drop my turret then get the hell out of the area.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2012,13:36

I don't think the rockets do FF damage.

Posted by Stranger on Dec. 14 2012,13:42

i didn't think that they did either. But Leisher was telling me that you take damage from the turret if you stand directly behind it cause of the fire that shoots out of it. I haven't personally noticed anything like that but, maybe.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2012,13:56

My fire e-tech shotty has FF damage on.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 14 2012,14:58

(Leisher @ Dec. 14 2012,10:59)

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It covers 4 DLC.

Mechromancer, not included.
The two that came out this week, not included.
Any beyond the 4, not included.

I've really enjoyed this game, certainly beyond the $30 I paid for it, but I'm still not convinced there's $30 of value in the DLC.

I mean, $100+ for a game? Really?

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2012,14:58

Also i will be online by 10-10:30. Saturday is my morning to sleep so friday night i caffeinate for late gaming

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 14 2012,15:00

Are yall doing all side missions as well, or just the main story stuff? I assume side?

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2012,15:04

We typically do all side missions and attempt the bonus challenges, with varying success.

Last night we were a single kill away from killing 100 bandits... in the correct way... when some one screwed it up. I suspect a shield nova effect or something like that.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 14 2012,15:22

Turrets do FF.

You know that room in the Wildlife Exploitation Preserve where Jimmy Jenkins and the other mini robots spawn from those four boxes?

I dropped my turret in there when someone opened a box, and within seconds, all four of us were fighting for our life.

The bullets and rockets don't directly do damage, I think? However, the splash damage from the rockets hurts.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2012,15:31

(GORDON @ Dec. 14 2012,17:04)

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I suspect a shield nova effect or something like that.

Fuck.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2012,15:41

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It covers 4 DLC.

Mechromancer, not included.
The two that came out this week, not included.
Any beyond the 4, not included.

I assume the "two" you're referring to are...

1) Borderlands 2: Collector's Edition Pack
2) Borderlands 2: Creature Slaughterdome

The first one looks like new skins and heads with one new item. It's $5. The second was actually available if you preordered through Gamestop. They're now making it available to everyone. It's also $5. Season Pass is $30. It's good for 4 DLC that'd normally be $10 a pop. Preordering the game from anywhere netted you a golden key and access to the Mechro. Think I paid $50 for my preorder. If you got your BL2 for $30, even if you tack on the Mechro, you're at a couple Jacksons. If the Season Pass got you everything, no one would preorder. There was a ridiculous preorder ultra mega vault hunter edition or some shit that was a few hundred, I think. Lastly, remember you're talking mainly to dudes who've shelled out for a MMOG at some point in the past.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 14 2012,16:55

EA does this, everyone whines. Borderlands does it, it's ok?

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 14 2012,16:57

(GORDON @ Dec. 14 2012,18:04)

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Wow...

I didn't realize when I was first doing it that you had to do it 25/25/25/25... I thought you could kill 150, and just had to do 25 of each... needless to say I came nowhere near doing it right.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2012,17:14

(TheCatt @ Dec. 14 2012,18:55)

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EA does this, everyone whines. Borderlands does it, it's ok?

I'll leave this for Leish. His anti-EA'ness should take care of things.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 14 2012,17:29

I normally don't have a problem with a whole series of over priced DLC sets for games. Because normally I buy them so far after release that I'm paying $20 for the entire GOTY Platinum edition that includes everything ever made for the game ever. But, since I bought BL2 near release, I'm finding it hard to participate in the DLC stuff.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 16 2012,09:47

BL2 is currently murdering Dishonored at the g4tv vid game of the year thing. Talking more than a 3:1 advantage.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 17 2012,06:45

Level 36 - DONE, BITCHES.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 17 2012,07:12

Congrats! Now go through it again with the same character. It gets harder...

Not to mention the DLCs, which seem to be very worth the cost of the season pass.

Stranger and I have touched on the Campaign of Carnage DLC, and it's hilarious.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2012,07:15

(Leisher @ Dec. 17 2012,09:12)

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Stranger and I have touched on the Campaign of Carnage DLC, and it's hilarious.

Saw a bit at my buddy's. I kept hoping Mr. Torgue would body slam someone then snap into a Slim Jim.

EDIT: Also in the process of solo'ing with Axton. Just took out Midgemong. Going to escort Claptrap to his ship. I do lots of sniping, already got more sniper kills/challenges at level 7 than a 20-something Zer0. Got the turret a couple levels ago, helps immensely. Going to see if I can shoot up the double turret tree.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2012,07:52

In addition, will be out of town from Friday evening to Wednesday afternoon. Fortunately, this is just many days we'd otherwise not play, but it does mean we may want to hit Wednesday and Thursday this week ... might even finish the core sidequests and main story if Morty Seinfeld can keep awake.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 17 2012,08:04

Serenity now.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 17 2012,08:13

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EA does this, everyone whines. Borderlands does it, it's ok?

Look at their track records.

EA's history is a graveyard of beloved franchised destroyed in the name of a quick buck, and customer service that would make any state's DMV jealous.

Gearbox bundled all of their DLC into one package that is honestly low cost. By the time all four are out, you'll be talking about as much game as the main game, and for $20 less. EA doesn't do that.

Also, the two things that were released that weren't part of the Season Pass were special exclusives elsewhere. I have no issue with those being additional purchases because some folks paid more initially to get them. Charging everyone else for them later means those initial folks didn't get fucked by buying them right out of the gate.

The price point also seemed perfect for discounting. I know that sounds odd, but let's see if they aren't listed at $2.50 or 50% during the next Steam sale.

EA has gone on record as saying sales are stupid, and Valve is destroying the industry by having them...

Point being, Gearbox has more leeway because they don't have a track record as a disgustingly greedy corporation who shits on good products and customers in the name of making a buck. (Not that I'm against capitalism, but making money shouldn't involve fucking people unless you're in prostitution or porn.)

Malcolm, my mechromancer has an Assassin mod that adds 36% melee damage and gives +3 skill points in...something. Sound useful?

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2012,08:20

(GORDON @ Dec. 17 2012,10:04)

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Serenity now.

That's Frank Costanza.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2012,08:22

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Malcolm, my mechromancer has an Assassin mod that adds 36% melee damage and gives +3 skill points in...something. Sound useful?

If it's a skill I utilize, yeah. Which one?

I've been hanging on to the same class mod for about 10-15 levels now because it's got +2/+3 to a couple important skills and outstanding melee damage bonus, relative to its level. Been looking for an upgrade.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 17 2012,09:37

< Next DLC features Sir Hammerlock? >

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2012,09:45

I'm calling Sir Hammerlock's Safari right now.

EDIT: Yep, I'm right.

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Sir Hammerlock's Big Game Hunt is the third downloadable campaign add on, leaked on 14 December. The DLC is described "Danger! Excitement! Mustaches! it's time for another episode of Vault Hunter adventures, featuring Sir Hammerlock! In this week's tale, our hard-boiled heroes travel to the savage continent of Aegrus! Thei goal? To uncover the most exotic creatures Pandora has to offer, and give 'em the old one-two." Gearbox is yet to announce the release date.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 17 2012,10:07

I'm hoping season pass is on sale during the Steam sale or another sale. I would definitely do $15 for it, especially since I got the game for $30. $20 or individual ones for $5/each is a maybe. But the game has been a lot of fun.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 17 2012,10:18

(Malcolm @ Dec. 17 2012,11:20)

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(GORDON @ Dec. 17 2012,10:04)

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Serenity now.

That's Frank Costanza.

I know, who happens to be another character from the same show.

Let's get this game wrapped up.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 17 2012,15:45

5 keys - WT5TB-XC5ZC-CX3T3-BBT3B-B35WB

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2012,17:23

Awesome. Reward for getting G4TV vid game of the year.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 17 2012,18:29

(TheCatt @ Dec. 17 2012,18:45)

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5 keys - WT5TB-XC5ZC-CX3T3-BBT3B-B35WB

One code for 5 keys?

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2012,19:15

Aye. I'm up to 49 now.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 19 2012,06:56

For turret guy, initial playthrough in TVHM is MUCH easier... since I have my turret. Just finished escorting claptrap around, only died 1x when i was being careless and encountered 2 super badass monsters with my turrets depleted.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 19 2012,06:57

Will we all be on tonight?

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 19 2012,06:59

And, is it just me, or why do the pistol and SMG even exist in this game? Aside from the 5 level fight dome, I've never needed em.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,07:21

(TheCatt @ Dec. 19 2012,08:59)

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And, is it just me, or why do the pistol and SMG even exist in this game? Aside from the 5 level fight dome, I've never needed em.

SMGs and pistols are good at putting lots of rounds into the air in a short order. SMGs seem to favour fire rate while pistols generally have a better damage and reload. They both have better reload and (mostly) fire rates than assault rifles.

SMGs are "mid-range" weapons. Problem is they aren't that great at mid-range unless they're scoped and their stability is good. They're better close up, but if you're doing that, then why not go shotty? SMGs and pistols tend to have bigger mag sizes than shotguns.

There are class-specific mods that jack one weapon type over another. Lots of assassin class mods that boost pistols, for example.

They are viable weapons, though. My Zer0 has a corrosive pistol that blasts the everloving fuck out of anything in armour. It drops constructors without too much of an issue.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 19 2012,07:37

Basically what Malcolm said. Instead of shooting a target once per seconds for 75 points of damage, you're hitting it 3 times for 35 each hit.

Also, each shot from elemental weapons has a chance to do that damage.

One shot from your assault rifle might have a 30% chance to slag, and your SMG only a 15% chance, but if you're hitting 3 shots for every one of the assault rifle, odds favor the SMG if you're trying to do that elemental damage.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 19 2012,09:43

My experience has been
Assault rifle -kill with one clip
Smg -kill with 3 to 4 clips.
Dps on the smg like half or worse of assault rifle.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,09:55

Assault rifles ... fire rate doesn't do it for me sometimes, it's too fucking slow. In addition, I think there are base subtypes per type, e.g. some assault rifles are fundamentally made for long distance killing, and some kick worse than unmounted machine guns, unleashing death at close range. All the SMGs/pistols are mid to close range.

SMGs/pistols ... Pistol damage usually outdoes SMGs. As Leish points out, higher fire rates mean more chances for elemental effects. In addition, and I cannot overemphasize this, reload speed for pistols is generally fucking awesome. Reloading my assault rifle takes forever by comparison.

If all you care about it DPS, assault rifles look like the only logical automatic weapon choice. I have yet to find an assault rifle that tears through loaders like my pistol, though. I got to take into account accuracy, stability, and reload time as well. DPS don't mean a thing if you can't hit accurately. Most of the time, just setting your sights on something is good enough. However, a stable pistol/SMG (which tend to be more stable than assault rifles) can reliably dish out crit shots at a high rate because my gun isn't jumping around like a tweeking crackhead. That's how I plow through the loaders, and constructors especially; I don't hit for as much unless I crit, but I crit more often than with a rifle. I won't even go into the futility of trying to gun down a buzzard with an unstable gun.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 19 2012,10:28

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You're also forgetting reload speed and clip size.

I had an SMG that had a 1 second reload speed. It was like I never had to reload, just buy more bullets. On top of that, it had the grenade feature when you reloaded!

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I have yet to find an assault rifle that tears through loaders like my pistol, though.

I don't know where I got it, but my Mechromancer got an assault rifle (at lvl 29 and behind us in the story) that does 1900+ damage and has corrosive elemental damage. I honestly do not remember where she got it, but it drops robots fast.

She had another corrosive one I was using, but I think I'll pass it off to my Axton as the damage is more in line with our current weapons. The only problem with it is at range it sucks. It seems like the bullets fire in a circle around targets...

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,10:35

Pistol I got is scoped and can snipe with greater accuracy than my rifle. Your rifle sounds like it has accuracy and\or stability issues.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 19 2012,10:44

The second one does, the first one is pretty accurate.

First time I looked at the stats I about shit. Thought it had to be a mistake. How the hell do I have an assault rifle that does over 1900 points of damage, not even counting the elemental damage?

The gun is worth over $15,000. I just can't remember if I used a golden key with her or not, and that's how I got it...? I remember not even using it for the longest time because I didn't love it, and wasn't anywhere where robots were walking around.

Then I found robots...

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 19 2012,10:56

In TMHV, I've found 2 Orange weapons so far. Both strangely similar, grenade mods.

Each grenade spawns 10 grenades, that then each spawn 10 grenades. It's like a grenade festival every time I throw one. Wipes out a ton of enemies.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 19 2012,12:17

Hey Catt, how many hours of play is there left after you find out why Handsome Jack wanted all that Iridium?

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,12:35

(TheCatt @ Dec. 19 2012,12:56)

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Each grenade spawns 10 grenades, that then each spawn 10 grenades. It's like a grenade festival every time I throw one. Wipes out a ton of enemies.

I love MIRVs. Homing MIRVs are zen.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,12:35

(Leisher @ Dec. 19 2012,08:57)

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Will we all be on tonight?

I'll be on.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,12:37

(GORDON @ Dec. 19 2012,14:17)

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Hey Catt, how many hours of play is there left after you find out why Handsome Jack wanted all that Iridium?

Depends how much shopping and arrow comparison we do.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 19 2012,13:12

Ah, i didn't think you would know that since I thought we agreed to not play ahead of the group.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,13:14

(GORDON @ Dec. 19 2012,15:12)

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Ah, i didn't think you would know that since I thought we agreed to not play ahead of the group.

I don't need to play ahead to take note of our shopping times and make reasonable guesses.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 19 2012,13:23

Ah, I see what you did there.

For the record, I would bet 10 internet dollars that throughout our group playthrough, I have spent the least amount of time at the machines.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 19 2012,13:34

For the record, I don't give a fuck.

It's about fun, and part of the fun of playing a game with a trillion fucking guns is checking out said guns.

And the fun of multiplay is experiencing all aspects of the game together. That includes trading items back and forth.

Anyway, I figure we're close to the end considering what has happened in the story. Plus, Stranger said we'd be around lvl 30 at the end, and we're all at lvl 29.

I want to finish this playthrough for two reasons:
1. So I'm then free to use Axton in a second playthrough with Stranger and whomever wants to join us without restriction on nights or advancing in the storyline.
2. So we can focus on LoL some more.

Also, Randy Pitchford is tweeting about awards and awesome stats for BL2 right now, so keep an eye out for codes...

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 19 2012,13:44

(Leisher @ Dec. 19 2012,16:34)

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For the record, I don't give a fuck.

nice

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 19 2012,13:51

(GORDON @ Dec. 19 2012,16:44)

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(Leisher @ Dec. 19 2012,16:34)

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For the record, I don't give a fuck.

nice

I thought you'd like that.

Shopping gets boring when you're not the one shopping, but it is a part of the game. Gotta give folks time.

However, that doesn't mean people can't be ready to go.

I'm going home and will jump on with Axton and will be ready to go tonight aside from giving some items to peeps that I got from my mechromancer playthru.

If you guys are serious about a strong push towards the finish line tonight, I'd suggest you all do the same.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 19 2012,13:53

I'm in. Will be there by 9.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,14:37

I usually do one circuit to check guns and shield shops for decent items of the day. After that, I'm off to the races.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,14:45

(Leisher @ Dec. 19 2012,15:34)

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Anyway, I figure we're close to the end considering what has happened in the story. Plus, Stranger said we'd be around lvl 30 at the end, and we're all at lvl 29.

There's got to be a volatility of +/- a couple levels.

We've got a least 4 sidequests (well 5, but we're going to handle Truxican stand-off). One of those is labeled (part 1). I'm just guessing it'll have 3-4 parts. Then there's another story quest. I'm willing to bet there's at least 1 more (last one has to be "kill Warrior"), maybe 2-3 more. I'd also like to hit up Terramorphus the Invincible at least once with our team. Haven't even seen a trace of how to get to that fucker yet.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 19 2012,14:48

(GORDON @ Dec. 19 2012,15:17)

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Hey Catt, how many hours of play is there left after you find out why Handsome Jack wanted all that Iridium?

I need more context than that.

Latest story mission?

Last update yall did, I felt there was 8 +/- 2 hours left, when yall posted about being almost done.

Kinda depends on if you do every optional mission, as one of them could take a while depending on how well yall do.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,14:56

The one where you smash the Eridium injectors and find out everything about Angel.

If we started tonight at 9pm CST and did the same tomorrow, we might have a shot.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 19 2012,15:47

(Malcolm @ Dec. 19 2012,17:56)

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The one where you smash the Eridium injectors and find out everything about Angel.

Yeah, I was trying to keep it spoiler free.

Was interesting thinking about it later... "Oh yeah, THAT is why we killed all those Hyperion miners, who were excavating Iridium for some reason."

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 19 2012,15:54

OK, probably about 5-8 hours. I dont want to give a spoiler, but there's something that could take from 1.5 hours to 4 hours.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,17:56

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Yeah, I was trying to keep it spoiler free.

That's fairly spoiler free. "Eridium injectors" could be used for anything and there's certainly shit you don't know about her. No details.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,18:07

KJCJ3-XKJKK-5XBBJ-TBTBB-W9HZH

Hit it now. Good for a few hours.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,22:05

Damn, I need a new SMG and new shotty.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 19 2012,22:15

I'm starting to wonder if the gold keys aren't ruining the game. They sure do make it easy. We hardly ever die. When we do, it's because of a map glitch that makes you fall, or we wander way off by ourselves where no one can save us. And we wander freely because we have such OP weapons that it's rare we find something we can't kill.

It's a fun game, but there's zero challenge.

Posted by Stranger on Dec. 20 2012,03:59

Its cause your still in playthrough one! you haven't even got to the real game yet. NOOB

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 20 2012,07:58

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I'm starting to wonder if the gold keys aren't ruining the game.

I got four shitty keys in a row last night. I'd say maybe 20-25% have an item of real usefulness. Everything else is cash fodder.

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Its cause your still in playthrough one!

Not to put too fine a point on it, but yes. The guns and enemies all key off your level. When you cap out at 50, then NPCs catch up a bit. Coupling that with TVH mode will make things more interesting than they are now, but a solid 4-man team should be able to overcome all but the zergiest of gankings.

EDIT: Let's also not forget the badass points we spend. We can theoretically switch those off.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 20 2012,08:04

(Stranger @ Dec. 20 2012,06:59)

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Its cause your still in playthrough one! you haven't even got to the real game yet. NOOB

Exactly.

Not to mention he's got three allies who keep him alive.

Think about this Cake: How many times have you been in "Fight for your life" mode during our playthrough? It's been quite a lot huh? Of those times, how many times were you revived by a teammate or shot with Gordo's healing ability?

The first playthrough is essentially "easy mode". Plus, we've stayed ahead of the difficulty curve with weapons from the gold chest, because we're hitting ALL the side missions, and are constantly off course killing folks just for the fights (gaining XP we wouldn't if we stayed on track).

Want to see how the difficulty curve works? I can use Axton to go through one of the DLCs and gain about 2-3 levels on you, then we can resume play as normal. You'll find yourself outclassed by the enemies pretty quickly. Or I can take you into my lvl 34 Mechromancer's game and to one of her missions that are listed as "Impossible" where I shoot lvl 51 enemies with rocket launchers and only do 20 damage to them.

Four guys at levels above the enemy, holding weapons that are leveled above the enemy, a turret, all the bonuses we're receiving from our badass points, and group bonuses from our class mods and relics can make for some easy fights, yet we're still always in "Fight for your life" mode...

Maybe when we get on tonight, we can all try an evening with our badass points disabled and see if that makes a bit of a difference?

When we get done with this playthrough, run through the game again solo. I know you don't think the game is designed for that, but it is, and you'll be amazed at how much stuff you missed during our playthrough. Gordo has talked about that in our games. You don't hear half the things that are said because of all the shooting and people talking in your ear.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 20 2012,08:14

Interesting shyte about Goliaths...

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Goliaths start out leveled to their area and can level up four times from their starting level. Once their helmet is shot off they become a "Raging Goliath" (or similar variance depending on the initial type). When they kill one target they become a "Badass Goliath"; two more kills, a "Super Badass Goliath"; three more kills, an "Ultimate Badass Goliath". After four more kills it levels to a "Fatal GOD-liath" (if the goliath started as a badass goliath it will be a "hulking mass of destruction" after leveling from an ultimate and will still have to level up one more time to reach its max) and killing this will unlock the Goliath, Meet David achievement. Much like players, Goliaths that level up have their health completely restored.

Lv.1 - Goliath ... initial
Lv.2 - Raging Goliath ... after helmet shot off
Lv.3 - Badass Goliath ... after 1 kill
Lv.4 - Super Badass Goliath ... after 3 total kills
Lv.5 - Ultimate Badass Goliath ... after 6 total kills ... unlocks David/Goliath achivement
Lv.6 - GOD-liath ... after 10 total kills

Speculation is evolution for varkids may be random, or influenced by combat, or influenced by the number of other varkids around. Taking out varkid pods means more XP than letting the evolved form out. On the flip side, letting them evolve high enough means better loot. In other news, that chubby varkid was ran across last night in the Caustic Caverns is a unique critter with a chance to drop a legendary launcher or shield.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 20 2012,08:18

I have a problem with the claim that more people = better loot.

My Mechromancer sees "Chubby" versions of different beasties a lot, and they always drop loot. I saw 3-4 chubby varkids and I know I've seen 3 chubby Raks.

She also seemed to have much better weapons than we did at the same lvl/spot in the game.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 20 2012,08:20

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Maybe when we get on tonight, we can all try an evening with our badass points disabled and see if that makes a bit of a difference?

Switching those on/off might not make the biggest difference to us. I do notice it with my low level Axton. 5% to him means a lot more than 5% to us.

The only time I remember us getting our asses beat was the arena fight where everyone except me was sniping from the rafters. Hell, even that was only because it wouldn't let you back in.

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Think about this Cake: How many times have you been in "Fight for your life" mode during our playthrough? It's been quite a lot huh? Of those times, how many times were you revived by a teammate or shot with Gordo's healing ability?

We can all check the one challenge about reviving downed teammates and sum our numbers. But mine's near 70s, I think.

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...you'll be amazed at how much stuff you missed during our playthrough

We're actively trying to hit all the sidequests, I assume, while leaving challenges and achievements partially complete. Anyone want me to cross-check with the wiki and see if we're missing missions?

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 20 2012,08:53

Randy Pitchford just tweeted:

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We are working on a big add-on/expansion for next year with deeper progression. I will share details and timing as we settle in with them.

And this:
KJK3B-H6JKK-KX3TT-3TBBT-R5TCK

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Start with disabling bad ass points. If that's not enough then we unequip our mods and relics. Hell, we could reset our skill points and reassign only enough to use our "ult". No other bonuses. I'll bet all that would offset the purple weapons...

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We're actively trying to hit all the sidequests, I assume, while leaving challenges and achievements partially complete. Anyone want me to cross-check with the wiki and see if we're missing missions?

No, I'm sure we'll hit most missions. I was referring more to all the details and dialogue of the story. Even atmosphere stuff like the announcements back when we were saving Claptrap.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 20 2012,08:59

We're really going to handicap ourselves this much when we're also talking about trying to finish the quests in the shortest order possible? Wouldn't taking away the badass points, relics, skill points, and mods make finishing missions take more time?

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 20 2012,09:09

I am loving our playthroughs. The company is good, I get to see all the characters, it makes things tough, etc.

What I don't enjoy is that it's taking a long time. Thus, it's holding my other characters back. Plus, Axton is someone I'm going to take to lvl 50 and I can't do anything with him as I agreed not to use him except for our play sessions. I also am very anxious to get to the second playthrough, and have less time I feel is scheduled for BL2, so if folks want to play LoL that night, we can.

I think Gordo feels pretty much the same way.

So if anyone feels like we're rushing it, know that it has nothing to do with fun level, personalities, or anything like that. It's just about being able to move forward in the game, with our characters, and to have more freedom of choice each night.

I was just suggesting those things for Cake's benefit because he thinks the game is easy. Personally, I'm fine with trucking through stomping the enemies we can stomp because I know what's waiting for us later in the DLCs and second playthroughs.

Posted by Stranger on Dec. 20 2012,09:33

< http://kotaku.com/5970038....ext-dlc >

Looks like Jan 15th is the date for Sir Hammerlock's Big Game Hunt.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 20 2012,09:35

I'm probably going to pick up the 2 $5 DLCs tomorrow or today.

Additionally, if we want to cap our ass-kicking abilities, so be it, doesn't particularly matter to me. Just wondering if we're trying to emphasize speed or exploration.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 20 2012,11:12

< 5 details about the next DLC. >

Be careful, there are minor spoilers for the DLC in there.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 20 2012,11:48

Spent a bit of time reading up on how to spawn Vermivorous the Invincible because it's supposed to have good loot (lots of purpose, occasionally orange) and it's a raid boss that you have to go out of your way to find.

Theories:
- Each varkid has a variable chance of metamorphosing into Verm.
- Some varkids are not predisposed to evolve from the state they spawn in, some are
- If a varkid is going to evolve, it'll do so within five minutes of reaching its new state ... if a badass hasn't gone to super badass in that time period, it won't ever

Consequences:
- Crowd control needed to ID "useless" varkids that don't evolve, kill them
- more varkids in play = better spawn chance
- more players = more varkids

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 20 2012,11:51

(Leisher @ Dec. 20 2012,13:12)

QUOTE

< 5 details about the next DLC. >

Be careful, there are minor spoilers for the DLC in there.

Where are my flying vehicles, goddamnit?

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 20 2012,16:35

Same plan for tonight?

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No, I'm sure we'll hit most missions. I was referring more to all the details and dialogue of the story. Even atmosphere stuff like the announcements back when we were saving Claptrap.

Some of that was genuinely bullshit, like us activating the ECHO when some other, unrelated dialog was playing, and getting stiffed. Setting a hot key that mutes the comm input also helps, as anything happening when we're all around gets amplified a shitload. We also need to call out destinations more definitively (like where we're going, what quest we're doing). We tend to set the first one well, then we start picking up additional quests or objectives and it seems like we get sidetracked. We get split up LOTS on maps where it's 2:2 or 1:3 and one group's under fire while another's wandering around. We've fucked up more than a few optional mission objectives due to comm issues. Hell, I'll freely admit to fucking up that Kai mission last night, but it's one in a long line of "goddamnit" moments.

We ought to at least scan a new area for boss-related challenges before we go charging in, as well.

Anyhow, I was referring to verifying the completeness of the mission load for Cake, pretty much because he's giving off the vibe he wants to go through all the non-DLC content there is on this playthrough, which I'll actually support.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 20 2012,17:16

Rumour has it Gearbox will release keys for Apocalypse/Armageddon Day.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 20 2012,17:54

Yeah, they ahve a stupid FB app they want yo uto sign up for to get it/them.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 20 2012,21:43

But at the end of the day, it's just punching in codes. Someone will post them to the wiki or other page.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 22 2012,00:00

By the way, that doomsday key hit. It's on that Borderlands page that Malcolm and Gordo linked...on page 23 on this thread.
WTCBB-H5WHC-5F3T3-TBT3T-HR6TJ

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 22 2012,12:32

Season pass for < $21. >

I bought.

Posted by Stranger on Dec. 23 2012,17:21

< http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming....-option >

Possible 3rd playthrough and level cap to be coming in the near future!

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 23 2012,17:53

I kinda wish I had played the DLC before doing TVH mode. But it's still fun.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 24 2012,11:13

Got the 2 $5 DLCs today. New customizations, new grenade, new arena, new Moxxi weapon.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 24 2012,12:49

OK, the DLC is totally worth it, and I don't even think I'm halfway through the Torque campaign.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 25 2012,15:51

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The Torque campaign is hilarious.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 26 2012,09:45

W3CTT-96CHC-WFBB3-B3BBT-XS66W

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 26 2012,13:28

G, Cake, Leish ... up for the Hyperion arena thing tonight?

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 26 2012,13:42

ORE CHASM

I lolled.

That was the aforementioned part of the game that could be variable.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 26 2012,13:43

Note to self: If a mission says "Level 50: Impossible" it probably is. At least, so far.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 26 2012,14:06

(Malcolm @ Dec. 26 2012,16:28)

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G, Cake, Leish ... up for the Hyperion arena thing tonight?

I should be in.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 26 2012,14:06

(GORDON @ Dec. 26 2012,17:06)

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(Malcolm @ Dec. 26 2012,16:28)

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G, Cake, Leish ... up for the Hyperion arena thing tonight?

I should be in.

That means finish the game, right?

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 26 2012,14:22

We've got an arena quest and a story quest.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 26 2012,15:05

The Hyperion Arena thing? Is that in Ore Chasm?

Don't we only have that and the "final battle" (as Mordecai called it) left?

I might be a bit late. Due to the holidays, the kids might be up a bit later than normal. I want to be on by 9-10, but it might be more like 10-10:30.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 26 2012,15:18

I think those two are it unless we'd like to hit the only non-DLC raid boss after the main quest. If that last arena fight was any indication, it's 5 rounds.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 26 2012,15:50

Lame. I went back to the Normal mode version of my game and went to the Torque DLC (spelled that way just to annoy Malcolm), but it level capped everything around L30.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 26 2012,16:08

Maybe if you spelled it properly, the weapons would level correctly.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 26 2012,22:23

One last session before we finish things, unless there's some surprise ending. That Hyperion arena was fucking brutal. Looks like we'll all be pushing level 35 by the time we're done.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 27 2012,05:20

I hit L36 by the time I finished. Ore Chasm was tough, I died 2x... oddly both at the 3rd round, not the later 2. Those bots that throw grenades/RPGs got me when I was too out in the open.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 27 2012,05:22

< Season Pass for $10.50 >

Mechromancer is $3.50 AC

Use Coupon: GMG30-DPLIM-DN831

Game itself is $21 AC.

If you use that link, you'll get $2 credit for a future purchase.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 27 2012,06:56

(TheCatt @ Dec. 27 2012,08:22)

QUOTE

< Season Pass for $10.50 >

Mechromancer is $3.50 AC

Use Coupon: GMG30-DPLIM-DN831

Game itself is $21 AC.

If you use that link, you'll get $2 credit for a future purchase.

Interesting. I bought the Mechromancer, and now I get a message that

"Thanks for being a premiere member. All characters you create with get Vault Hunter relic and a collection of Gearbox manufactured guns in their inventory"

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 27 2012,07:12

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"Thanks for being a premiere member. All characters you create with get Vault Hunter relic and a collection of Gearbox manufactured guns in their inventory"

If you preordered, you got the mech for free and also got into the premiere club or something. That gave you access to the gearbox guns. Every new character you start will have those guns. They aren't awesome, but there aren't any level requirements and they considerably beat the hell out of the starting pistol you get.

EDIT: The flying rocket grenade DLC item works the same way.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 27 2012,08:17

Update on the coupon above:

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You can use the code multiple times but only once per order.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 27 2012,10:03

I used that link and did NOT get the $2 credit. I want my $2.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 27 2012,10:58

Ah, $2 was for new customers only, sorry, Johnny.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 27 2012,10:59

Anyone not have the Season Pass already?

There's an extra copy floating around if anyone still needs it.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 27 2012,16:18

< This seems relevant >

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 27 2012,17:18

Same time tonight?

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 27 2012,18:09

Is the mechromancer class included in the season pass?

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 27 2012,18:18

(GORDON @ Dec. 27 2012,20:09)

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Is the mechromancer class included in the season pass?

No. Think the season pass is just the DLC campaigns.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 27 2012,18:32

Well who do you have to blow to get the mechromancer, and how long do you have to blow?

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 27 2012,18:59

(GORDON @ Dec. 27 2012,21:32)

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Well who do you have to blow to get the mechromancer, and how long do you have to blow?

Ooo. I could get that for you?

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 27 2012,19:11

Same question....

Just kidding. Do so, but update your Steam wish list.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 27 2012,19:12

At least 20 minutes.

The only reason I really have a wishlist is because they wanted you to have 10 items on it in order to have the chance to win one. And because I was price tracking the BL 2 Season Pass.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 28 2012,07:33

(Cakedaddy @ Dec. 20 2012,01:15)

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Cake does have a point. In TVH mode, I've been relying on found weapons for the past 8 levels, and the game is significantly harder. Most loot is 1-4 levels behind, and white/green. I've managed to find 1 orange, 1 purple, and 6 blues worth a damn in that time. The 1 orange was nice, but 9 levels below me.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 28 2012,08:44

I'd say they're making it a bit easier, but it's far from "ruining." I still say 7 of every 10 gold keys produces crap equipment. Granted, that's better than the 1 of every 100 loot drops from containers/enemies.

My loot strategy is as follows...

Whites ... cash fodder
Greens/Blues ... usually only worthwhile if they've got elemental damage or amp/roid/spike bonuses, occasionally a non-elemental blue stands on its own damage
Purples ... maybe half the purples I get are decent and of that half, only half those are practical to use
Orange ... info deficient, only found one so far

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 28 2012,09:05

Even still, we hit the Ore Chasm arena two nights ago and got our asses handed to us. We had to basically hide from the enemies just to complete it.

There was one boss in the Torque DLC that I had to game in a similar way to beat, and one that I cannot beat in the Pirate DLC. Stranger and I combined couldn't take down the Pirate one...

All of the above was/is listed as "Trivial".

My Mechromancer is a few levels above us, and she still has several missions listed as "Impossible".

Also, they are upping the cap for both players and enemies.

However, all that being said, I think it'd be fun to play a game where everything, from start to finish, is at least one level higher than the players.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 28 2012,09:22

The combo of RPG loaders providing artillery support, ion loaders providing cover, and badass loaders spawning on our platform made things bitchy. I'm still impressed we got the crit kill optionals on that one.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 28 2012,10:14

(Leisher @ Dec. 28 2012,12:05)

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Even still, we hit the Ore Chasm arena two nights ago and got our asses handed to us. We had to basically hide from the enemies just to complete it.

Ore Chasm was a sudden piece of toughness in the game, especially the RPG loaders mixed with others. I think it was the hardest part of the game. The other arena was harder for me, personally, but I was way too under-leveled for it when I went there the first time.

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There was one boss in the Torque DLC that I had to game in a similar way to beat, and one that I cannot beat in the Pirate DLC.

Which one? I have only had problems on THV with the uber-boss and L50 missions. On normal, I cleared everything pretty easily. Starts with P?

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Also, they are upping the cap for both players and enemies.

Want

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My Mechromancer is a few levels above us, and she still has several missions listed as "Impossible".

The trivial/impossible looks like it's mostly just a comparison between your level, and the "level" of the mission. Of course, as we all know, missions at the same "level" vary wildly in difficulty.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 28 2012,14:44

There's one small part of the entire game. An optional challenge in an arena that gets progressively harder. That's evidence that the game wasn't made extremely easy because of the gold keys? Blah. We walked through, with no problem, 90% of the game. There was no challenge outside of the 2 optional challenge arenas.

And to say "But the next play through is harder!" is crap too. Yes, the monsters and enemies level up, but so do the gold key weapons and everything else about your character. Gold key weapons will always out level the enemies keeping the game an easy walk through.

I think gold keys should have been used at times where normal loot wasn't getting the job done and we couldn't progress without some help.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 28 2012,16:15

Do you all still have a ton of keys? I've still got 30. And I didn't get all the early ones yall had.

Replay without any keys but with the DLC?

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 28 2012,16:22

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Which one? I have only had problems on THV with the uber-boss and L50 missions. On normal, I cleared everything pretty easily. Starts with P?

It wasn't a person... I forget the name of it. I think I was severely underleveled.

QUOTE

But you're soooooooo wrong.

Look, I'll admit that the keys DO help you out. They give you purple weapons at your level that truly shouldn't be at your level.

In fact, I think the ultimate achievement should be beating the game without a key or twinking. Something we could have established immediately once we saw how big the weapons were that the chest gave.

However, beyond that are factors you simply do not take into account.

For example, tell Gordon to dump his healing shots. Get rid of them. Let's see how easy it is to keep each other alive now. That ability alone, IMHO, has "broken" the game more than the Golden Chest. Even with all our overleveled weapons, we still routinely find ourselves on the ground in fight for your life mode.

I'll stop dropping my turret, which is essentially a fourth member that we don't need to worry about, yet draws fire. You'd shit if you saw how easy Deathtrap makes things.

There are four of us.

And let's disable all badass bonuses. Hell, mine are all between 6-10% at this point.

Also, let's stop using sniper rifles. One thing I've noticed in both games is that sniper rifles DO make the game easy. Picking people off from so far away that they can't fight back tends to make things simple.

You need to remember that the game is always throwing enemies at us. Thus, they can't ALL be able to kick our ass or they wouldn't be able to have areas respawn. At that point, the game wouldn't be fun as you wouldn't be able to explore. Some folks SHOULD be pussies compared to us.

If I was designing BL3, I think one of the things I'd focus on is keeping new areas leveled above the players, so while older areas aren't a challenge, new areas are always a challenge.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 28 2012,16:28

(Leisher @ Dec. 28 2012,19:22)

QUOTE

If I was designing BL3, I think one of the things I'd focus on is keeping new areas leveled above the players, so while older areas aren't a challenge, new areas are always a challenge.

Amen.

And it's amazing how much difference a few levels make. About 5 levels is a HUGE difference in capability, from being completely unable to fight (5 levels down) to having good combat (at level) to just wiping them off the face of the planet (5 levels up). I think that plays into it.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 28 2012,17:03

(Leisher @ Dec. 28 2012,19:22)

QUOTE

For example, tell Gordon to dump his healing shots. Get rid of them. Let's see how easy it is to keep each other alive now. That ability alone, IMHO, has "broken" the game more than the Golden Chest. Even with all our overleveled weapons, we still routinely find ourselves on the ground in fight for your life mode.

I'll stop dropping my turret, which is essentially a fourth member that we don't need to worry about, yet draws fire. You'd shit if you saw how easy Deathtrap makes things.

BTW, all of my healing abilities and shots also affect the turret. :-D

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 28 2012,17:35

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The trivial/impossible looks like it's mostly just a comparison between your level, and the "level" of the mission. Of course, as we all know, missions at the same "level" vary wildly in difficulty.

I second this.

QUOTE

Ok. Hold the phizizone.

1. What about Lynchwood? That place with the train tracks where we got rung a few times?
2. Consider that we've not leveled up the evolvers much (goliaths and especially varkids).
3. We've glossed over all the boss- and kill-related challenges unless we stumble on them (most of the time).

I will say that the ridiculous (though finite) availability of purple weapons means that I can pretty much always spin the wheel, potentially get a kick-ass gun, and slaughter a particular brand of critter. Weapon superiority allows us to slack off, split up, and launch uncoordinated assaults that succeed. The gold keys are a bit less volatile than the slots at Moxxi's, so I'm also 50% likely to get a shitty item or an item type of don't want. If anyone wants to see what the final part's like with no purple gear, I'm game.

QUOTE

I've still got 30.

51, I think. I may keep them until I hit the cap.

QUOTE

In fact, I think the ultimate achievement should be beating the game without a key or twinking.

Nah. The ultimate achievement is beating it using only white weapons. It could be an achievement, called something like "Racist" or "Honky." You could combine it with another one in which you never use your special ability and call that one "Handi Man" (from "In Living Color").

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For example, tell Gordon to dump his healing shots.

As Leish argues, that's part of his abilities, part of the game ... like gold keys, and (raid) boss farming. That's as arbitrary as calling bullshit in Gauntlet on the wizard and capping his potion usage at five per level (because, hey, you've got to kill that Death sumbitch in the mazes).

Gearbox didn't make this so people had to coordinate virtual 4-person death squads with the precision of a military raid. They made it for average people to blow shit up, and then give you every chance to get something that causes a larger explosion. If you want to make it interesting, they included lots of extra incentivized challenges, then Steam achievements, and on top of that you can make up on your own weird rules, like Honky-Handi Man. Of course, they build shit that way to drive replay value up.

I remember playing Thief on the "no kill, steal everything, do everything" rule because it made it more interesting, especially towards the end when everything was non-human and therefore fair game.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 28 2012,18:06

(Malcolm @ Dec. 28 2012,20:35)

QUOTE

In fact, I think the ultimate achievement should be beating the game without a key or twinking.

Double fuck that. ULTIMATE achievement is winning it with no weapons, melee only.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 28 2012,18:42

QUOTE

ULTIMATE achievement is winning it with no weapons, melee only.

Four Zer0s would have no problem doing that. Unless there's some cheap-ass mission where you have to shoot something from a distance (the circuit box in the first part of the game, for instance). The boss fights would be ultra-brutal, but not impossible.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 28 2012,19:14

Admittedly, my L48 Ashton has kickass melee as I found out the other day when I couldnt reload very fast. Did more damage than any other attack I had except rockets.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 29 2012,01:23

Yes, we do go down when we split up and do our own thing. I've mentioned that myself. But it's not often that we actually die. More often than not, my gun absolutely melts an enemy allowing me to survive. I don't worry about having back up because I know I'm most likely going to win. When are we in the most trouble? When there's nothing close enough to melt or someone steals the last kill while you are in fight for your life.

I would have much rather played the game as a team instead of four random people running around doing what they want and only occasionally needing help from friends. When we first started playing, where no one had used a gold key yet, we would move in as a team. Gordon sniping, I'd try to flank and we always used cover. It wasn't long before we'd all barrel in trying to get as many kills as we could before someone else got it. Just as many times as we met a true challenge, we'd split up in teams of two and clear an entire map before meeting up with each other. With the enemies supposedly beefed up for multiplay, that shouldn't have been so easy.

Of course I don't want the game to be so hard that it becomes frustrating and a chore to play through. But I feel like we played the game on easy instead of normal. I think playing with looted weapons would have added enough of a challenge that we would have had to try sometimes. When was the last time anyone actually kept and used a looted weapon? We never had to try hard at anything (except that last arena). We just walked through the game with no risk of failure of any kind.

I'm not saying the game was ruined or no fun or anything like that. I'm just saying the game was made way too easy.

As far as abilities and bonuses. The bonuses I would compare to runes and masteries. A slight bonus that would only come into play in a few battles. Abilities. . . I never saw them as crazy over powered. Yes I see your turret mow through enemies and I've been revived more than once by Gordon's balls. But more often than not, I didn't need Gordon's balls to survive. I easily killed enemies during FFYL. Gordon's ball use would have been more important had we relied on them more than we did our uber weapons. I appreciated Gordon's balls, but rarely needed them. More often than not, I was about 3 bullets away from killing an enemy to survive when Gordon's balls would hit me. A bit more effort would have been required on our parts with looted/bought weapons only. Hell, money might have even been a part of the game instead of just a steam achievement.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 29 2012,10:10

Looted makes them different? How is using a gold key different than spinning slots or farming a raid boss?

You want difficult? I propose we go thru the rest of the game with nothing higher than blue. Let's see what happens.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 29 2012,10:15

Then don't farm and don't use slots. Those are just more mechanisms to make the game easier. There's no explicit difficulty level, but keys, slots, and farming are like setting it to beginner.

I've never farmed. Whatever I get the first time is what I get.

Looted is different because purple is RARE. Not true on keys.

I'm basically doing my TVH in blue/green, since good purples have been so hard to find, and level tends to matter more than color.

OK, just checked:
All 4 primary weapons are green. 2 backups are blue.
1 modifier is white, 1 is green, 2 are blue (one blue is L35).

So yeah, that makes life harder.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 29 2012,22:28

Once we dropped Gordon, we were able to kill that damned pirate.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 30 2012,09:01

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I've never farmed. Whatever I get the first time is what I get.

Including respawns of critters when you walk over areas you've been over before? Containers you've opened before?

QUOTE

Looted is different because purple is RARE. Not true on keys.

A key provides you, at most, with what ... 2 purples? As I've said previously, half of what the gold keys give me seem to be crap and just end up getting sold. If it's not a grenade mod, class mod, or relic you don't want, it's a shitty gun or shield that goes for 10x more than what you usually get for a crappy gun in the white-blue range. Gold keys will also never give you orange loot. If I burn five keys at a goddamn gold chest, I might get ten items, and maybe one will be used regularly. If I spend a couple hours farming raid bosses (we got 1 orange and a few purple off the Warrior last night), I probably get similar results. Was that dude difficult? More than a fucking skag, yes. But a million times easier than the fucking arena fights.

In addition, if you want a purple gun, you're always $40K away. You can keep tipping Moxxi for a guaranteed purple SMG. That's actually only about $8K less than what the level 50 version sells for. Considering most guns are bought for less than half of what you sell them for, that's not a bad deal. That's a built-in game mechanic.

You can level up a varkid to Vermivorous the Invincible and farm him in Caustic Caverns, or the Warrior, or Terramorphus. I've heard of people going a week without getting an orange from any of them. They will drop at least some purple, though. In addition, you can actually hack BL2 and switch the player counter to 4, meaning the spawn engine spews out critters as though it's a full house all the time. I'll say the same shit I said months ago (Posted on: Sep. 13 2012,11:10) about gold keys...

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Eh, I was throwing away purples like pennies somewhere near the last third of the original.

They are not special. I can't even call them rare. Oranges weren't rare in BL1. I went through an entire 4-man playthrough in BL2, and I saw two oranges. That's fucking rare. Even taking away the gold key purples, I saw enough of them issue forth from the slots alone to figure they aren't an endangered species. I have yet to see, in person, a slot machine yield an orange weapon.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 30 2012,09:11

I've been playing solo. Purples are pretty damned rare. Greens/Whites are all over the place, blues on occasion. But I've only got 5 oranges in my entire playthrough (>140 hours, L49), and maybe 15 purples.

They're rare, and the game uses the slots and keys to make a de-facto ease setting.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 30 2012,11:00

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In addition, you can actually hack BL2 and switch the player counter to 4,

OK, how? And where did you get hacks like that? Interested to see what else can be done.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 30 2012,13:24

< Start here >. Word on the street is that there's also a way to hack the level at which enemies spawn.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 30 2012,13:32

Highest level enemies I've seen so far are 52. Not sure if there are higher, but damn.

3429728

Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 30 2012,15:33

Malcolm is just comparing one game 'breaking' mechanic to another. Gold keys = farming raid bosses = slots. All of those things make the game easier, which is all I've been arguing. Not saying they are exploits or cheating or anything like that. They make the game easy. Too easy. And I put breaking in quotes because I know it's not breaking the game. It made a better sentence than game 'easier making'. And to say half of the stuff you pull is crap is no good either considering we all have more keys than we would ever need to ensure drawing a complete solid gold key load out. And you have twice as many keys as I do. It would be one thing if we had just a couple keys and half were crap. But when you only need 10 keys to have a complete gold key load out and you have 30 keys. . . half of the stuff being crap doesn't matter or enter the equation at all. As I've stated, I have 20+ keys right now and haven't played with a looted item since half way through the game. All of my equipment is gold key equipment. And I have enough keys to equip 2 other characters. Half the keys drawing crap is not even close to keeping the game balanced towards a 'normal' difficulty setting.

The game was not broken. Was still fun. But we played it on the easiest setting possible. Not how I normally play games, personally. I wish we'd have kept it on normal.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 31 2012,04:39

Right, agree with Cake.

In unrelated news:

QUOTE

IGN today reported that Borderlands 2's level cap, currently at 50, will rise sometime in the first three months of next year.

It's not going to come with Sir Hammerlock's Big Game Hunt, announced and previewed today. 2K Games told IGN that Gearbox Software still is considering whether to do it as part of a DLC extension or as a separate download.

Additionally, 2K is said to be thrilled with Borderlands 2's sales performance, and is envisioning a second "season" of DLC after this one concludes. Big Game Hunt will be the third of four promised extensions.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 31 2012,13:00

New levels. About damn time. More DLC? Christ.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 31 2012,13:24

Yeah, I stopped playing with my L50 cuz you don't even gain XP. Without XP, only thing I'd want to do is take on the invincible characters, and cant do that alone.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 31 2012,15:57

If anyone wants insane hard ... there's BL1 DLC called < Moxxi's Underdome >. Included are three huge arena matches.

QUOTE

The gameplay consists of rounds and waves. Each round consists of five waves ending with a Boss wave. Every round brings an increased difficulty level. As the round number increases, the number of gameplay-altering rules increases, adding variables such as different gravity levels and modified enemy regeneration, accuracy, damage, etc. If a character is incapacitated and fails to achieve a second wind they will respawn in the Penalty Box on top of Moxxi's tower and the round will be reset. If the player is downed in a multiplayer game, they will respawn in the Penalty Box (from which they can still play an active role by sniping enemies) for the remainder of the wave.

My buddy and myself got through two of three. < Never beat this place >. There's about zero cover and twenty rounds (5x20 = 100 waves). The handicaps are what really make it evil.

Anyone ever beat these?

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 31 2012,16:06

K353J-Z5JC5-KXJBB-TBTJB-95BWZ

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 01 2013,09:37

K3CJT-FRWZK-KRBBT-BJJ33-CB6TH

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 01 2013,14:35

I kinda want a "True Death" mode. You can second wind all you want, but once you die, game over.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 01 2013,14:54

Then you get pissed at your team for not saving you.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 01 2013,15:04

(GORDON @ Jan. 01 2013,17:54)

QUOTE

Then you get pissed at your team for not saving you.

No "team' in "the catt"

although, kinda close.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 01 2013,15:24

Last night I finished a fight really hurt, and opened a chest hoping to find some health.

A fucking badass midget looter jumped out of it. Turret was on cooldown. Big fight happened. I almost had it dead, when it killed me. Then it jumped behind cover so I couldn't catch it and get second wind.

I was cussing at the computer as it is,... if that had been permadeath, well.... obviously I would be done with the game.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 01 2013,15:43

Well, 1) perma-death = option, 2) shoulda waited.

Yeah, my computer has received some abuse due to the game.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 01 2013,15:55

QUOTE

I kinda want a "True Death" mode. You can second wind all you want, but once you die, game over.

Nothing stops you from implementing such harshness on your own. Nethack is the only thing that's ever been remotely successful that uses perma-death. I suppose Diablo III is in there as well, but Nethack forces you. There's too much shit that can go wrong, like a boss fight when half your team drops Steam connection. Thrash.

Was solo'ing Captain Flynt with Maya today, I was dying, Flynt was point blank in my sights, he had the tiniest of tiny slivers of life left ... click. FUCKING RELOAD!!! GODMOTHERFUCKINGDAMNIT!!!!!! I would have curb-stomped a kitten at that point.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 01 2013,16:05

Attempting to get all my lower level characters to Sanctuary has led me to play the game in parallel 4x times recently. Almost done with it, but it's interesting how the character choice affects playstyle. I snipe the fuck out of everything, regardless.

Sal: 'Zerk as long as possible, as much ammo as possible. Murder, death, kill, up close and personnel.

Maya: Elemental all the way. She can freeze one opponent at time (with a short cooldown) and use elemental sniper/pistol/smg to do ungodly amounts of damage.

Axton & Gaige: Buff bot, shorten cooldown as much as possible. Deploy bot, stay alive until cooldown, repeat.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 09 2013,17:01

K3K33-3W9JT-6XJJT-TB3JB-HWZZF for 5 more game-breaking keys.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 10 2013,09:47

Started the Captain Scarlett DLC last night. Died 3 times without taking out the first boss in TVH mode. Granted, at least one was my fault for trying to bounce my grenade off a wall and forgetting I had stickies. Hell of a different feel from 4-man co-op.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 12 2013,10:40

< http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/communi....weekend >

BL2 tonight, anyone?

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 12 2013,14:39

Maybe. What would we do? Both my chars are up to L50

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 12 2013,19:02

Well, goddamnit. Highest I got is level 35. Was hoping Leish, Cake, or G would be on.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 12 2013,19:16

I'm never good enough for you

*sobs*

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 12 2013,19:54

(TheCatt @ Jan. 12 2013,21:16)

QUOTE

I'm never good enough for you

*sobs*

Level 35 in a 50 campaign? I'd get lit. Flipping it around makes things a cakewalk.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 13 2013,04:58

pussy

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 13 2013,09:34

Anyone manage to snag the grenade mod mentioned?

QUOTE

pussy

Next time your 50's on and I got time, I'll jump in. Zer0 needs leveling anyhow, and respec. A melee-based Zer0 is not a good choice for solo play, I'm thinking.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 13 2013,09:35

If you beat the DLCs before the main quest, do the DLCs reset or remain completed?

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 13 2013,10:10

Dunno, I didn't get DLCs until I finished main, and haven't quite finished the TVH mode.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 13 2013,10:20

So for this gear-up things, is gear just lying around, or do you actually have to kill things?

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 13 2013,10:42

(TheCatt @ Jan. 13 2013,12:20)

QUOTE

So for this gear-up things, is gear just lying around, or do you actually have to kill things?

Timer expired, but the instructions just said "Loot as normal."

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 13 2013,10:53

Well, the next one has started, it's sniper rifles now.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 13 2013,11:17

< Info from Orcz >. Looks like they're all legendary, which means "you might not see this shit if you farm for a week." Certain items drop from specific enemies, too.

BL2 is taking a run at Diablo III for instance-based MMOG king, looks like. Diablo III reportedly has over 10 million in sales, dropped in May of '12. BL2, according to Gearbox, hit 5 million in sales on 31-Oct-2012. It was released in the middle of September last year. This is still nowhere near the all-time record holder, Sims 2 and Sims (at #1 and #2, respectively). How directing miniature avatars, virtually pissing, and baking cakes doubles or quadruples the sales of shooting things is beyond me.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 13 2013,11:41

Because girls

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 13 2013,13:57

When the zombies come, we'll see how useful those skills are.

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 14 2013,10:32

More shift codes today.

PC / Mac SHiFT Code for a Golden Key In Borderlands 2: C3W3B-6B95C-SWFJJ-B3BJJ-5C6XJ [Active through January 20]

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 17 2013,06:48

< Level cap increase confirmed. >

I'm breaking from BL2 at the moment as I try to finish FarCry 3, but have every intention of getting back in to beat the new DLC that come out yesterday, and to begin my second playthrough.

Catt, Malcolm, and whomever else, be ready to fight some of these invincible monsters.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 17 2013,08:34

I've got an L50 Gaige and an L50 Ashton. I may nee to re-equip a bit (I definitely need resistive shields)

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 17 2013,08:42

Anyone want to go through some DLC to help me level my Zer0? Otherwise, he's at the start of the 2nd playthrough, so all the shops suck. He needs new guns, at least.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 17 2013,09:42

I do, but time is rare for me. I have to talk to the ball and chain

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 17 2013,10:23

I do too, but kids, FarCry 3, and LoL... Once I get done with FarCry 3, I'll be shooting back to BL2.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 17 2013,11:27

I can probably be available 1 or 2 weeknights (M-Th), starting around 8:45pm, but I have to plan at least a day in advanced.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 18 2013,15:36

Anyone tonight?

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 20 2013,10:19

Monday and Thursday I can actually do, seeing as how now one else here's going to help me level up my goddamned Zer0. I just beat "Best Minion Ever" mission with the non-Zer0 characters just to get them through Sanctuary. Going through that solo in TVH would feel tedious as shit. My weapons are shitty enough to maybe warrant using a couple keys when he gets to Sanctuary.

Loadout:

Zer0: lvl 35, $125.198 (apparently there's just never shit to spend it on)
pistol: green explosive 33 (isn't doing shit in the TVH pirate DLC)
smg: blue 31
sniper: green corrosive 34 (isn't doing shit in the TVH pirate DLC)
shotgun: green corrosive 28
rifle: blue 28
launcher: purple explosive 24
grenade: purple corrosive 30
shield: purple 31
mod: green 30
relic: blue 27

The snipey (best weapon I have according to level/colour) is barely denting the first pirate mini-boss. Nothing (rifle, launcher, shotty) hits for more DPS. The lack of fire weapons hurts, too. All the shops in the game suck up until Sanctuary.

EDIT: Oh yeah (good until 21-Jan):
5B533-HJZKC-SKX3J-BBTBB-HBCBK
KTKB3-TCZC5-9W6JT-BJBTB-6ZHTS

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 20 2013,14:23

I'd help if I could. i got to play a lot over the holidays cuz I f'ed up my back and was on a lot of drugs.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 20 2013,14:27

Anyone ever figure out if there's the equivalent of a second playthrough for any DLC? Can't even google the answer to that.

EDIT: It's looking like the answer is pretty much "no." DLC quests can be done once, whether it's the first playthrough or second, your call.

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 22 2013,06:15

< New skins and heads today. >

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 22 2013,07:03

(Leisher @ Jan. 22 2013,09:15)

QUOTE

< New skins and heads today. >

This isn't The Sims.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 22 2013,07:15

The customizations I bought came with a grenade. These new ones appear to come with zero grenades.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 24 2013,17:56

53KJ3-CK9W5-Z5XB3-T3BJT-969KW

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 24 2013,20:08

Going to run a few more missions with Axton, then make it to Sanctuary with Zer0 so I can get some decent fucking shops. Then try the pirate DLC again. Maybe I won't get wasted this time.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 27 2013,12:07

Started getting Zer0 to Sanctuary. This is the sixth time I've run this sequence of missions. Up to level 36. Better shotgun and better rifle are making a difference. Thinking of staying melee since I'm two levels away from the "kill during stealth = stealth time bonus plus extra decoy" skill. Hopefully, it'll make dealing with the plebes easier. Then I need to get the "upon decloak, decoys = shock damage" skill. Noticed in TVH mode, I'm redlining a lot more than normal. If anything with low health is around me when I drop, I can melee and kill it pretty quickly. The bitch is when nothing's nearby. I've found Tediore reloads to be insanely effective for timely second wind kills, especially if you only shoot a round or two. Usually waste my SMG ammo on it since any other non-elemental SMG tactic seems insane.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 28 2013,07:52

One level away now. Also got the "kill a goliath after letting it level four times" achievement. Actually let him go all the way up to Fatal GOD-liath. Got a purple off him in addition to other drops.

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 29 2013,13:12

5 Key code hitting in 5-10 hours.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 29 2013,13:15

(Leisher @ Jan. 29 2013,15:12)

QUOTE

5 Key code hitting in 5-10 hours.

I'm definitely storing mine up until I hit the cap now. You can farm purples from evolvers (goliaths, varkids, etc.).

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 29 2013,23:01

KJW3B-BT9WC-9K6BB-BTTJ3-WTX99, it's the fiver.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 30 2013,05:56

(Malcolm @ Jan. 30 2013,02:01)

QUOTE

KJW3B-BT9WC-9K6BB-BTTJ3-WTX99, it's the fiver.

When I entered it just now, it said, "Sorry already redeemed."

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 30 2013,06:34

It expired.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 30 2013,07:21

(Leisher @ Jan. 30 2013,08:34)

QUOTE

It expired.

Said it was only good for "a short while." I managed to punch it in after I came back from the bar.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 30 2013,08:59

(Malcolm @ Jan. 30 2013,10:21)

QUOTE

(Leisher @ Jan. 30 2013,08:34)

QUOTE

It expired.

Said it was only good for "a short while." I managed to punch it in after I came back from the bar.

If you had skipped the bar you would have posted it sooner, and we could have used it last night.

Your drinking is becoming a problem for us.

That makes you an alcoholic.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 30 2013,09:11

QUOTE

If you had skipped the bar you would have posted it sooner, and we could have used it last night.

If your browsers weren't so bogged down by the malware from all the male pr0n sites you and Cake frequent, you could check the codes yourself.

QUOTE

Your drinking is becoming a problem for us.

I'm more of a problem sober.

Posted by Trooper on Jan. 30 2013,16:24

QUOTE

If your browsers weren't so bogged down by the malware from all the male pr0n sites you and Cake frequent, you could check the codes yourself.

Cakedaddy and gay are two conflicting words, making this statement somewhat false/oxymoronic.

< This should put you up to speed on said term: "Cakedaddy" >

=D

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 31 2013,07:14

I go by what the avatars tell me.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 01 2013,10:23

CTWBT-X5ZWC-9WRB3-BJ3B3-RWF96

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 01 2013,10:43

(TheCatt @ Feb. 01 2013,12:23)

QUOTE

CTWBT-X5ZWC-9WRB3-BJ3B3-RWF96

Good until Feb 3.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2013,10:56

(Malcolm @ Feb. 01 2013,13:43)

QUOTE

(TheCatt @ Feb. 01 2013,12:23)

QUOTE

CTWBT-X5ZWC-9WRB3-BJ3B3-RWF96

Good until Feb 3.

Good thing you didn't post it. You are probably so drunk right now that you'd wait until 11:50PM on the last day to post it.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 01 2013,11:01

Not my fault your sobriety is interfering with your checking of webpages and codes.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2013,11:03

I'm sick, I am off the OH chemical groups. :-(

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 01 2013,11:08

(GORDON @ Feb. 01 2013,13:03)

QUOTE

I'm sick, I am off the OH chemical groups. :-(

Sure your doctor isn't just fucking with you?

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2013,11:11

Doctor? Who can afford the doctor? I just took myself off it until I am better. This shit has crept into my right ear and now that hurts and my balance is getting fucked.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 01 2013,11:15

Your ear? Just stopping pissing off Khan and he'll stop putting brain parasites in your head.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 01 2013,13:33

(GORDON @ Feb. 01 2013,14:11)

QUOTE

Doctor? Who can afford the doctor? I just took myself off it until I am better. This shit has crept into my right ear and now that hurts and my balance is getting fucked.

Sounds like doctor time to me.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 01 2013,13:48

I hate doctors as much as anyone, but even I see them occasionally.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2013,14:06

(TheCatt @ Feb. 01 2013,16:33)

QUOTE

(GORDON @ Feb. 01 2013,14:11)

QUOTE

Doctor? Who can afford the doctor? I just took myself off it until I am better. This shit has crept into my right ear and now that hurts and my balance is getting fucked.

Sounds like doctor time to me.

Eh. Hitting the Vitamin C and we'll see what it does by Monday.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 01 2013,14:10

I guess the odds are low it's a bacterial infection.... since that's about the only thing doctors can treat.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2013,14:45

Most of the time with things like this, all the doctors do is distract you while your body heals itself.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 01 2013,16:35

And take an hour or two of your lives, and your money.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 02 2013,08:46

C3WBT-C6F5C-HCRTJ-3J3BT-C96ZW

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 03 2013,09:59

53WTB-S9XKW-SWFT3-TJBJB-FWWZW

Maybe good for a couple more hours. Holy fuck, it's another fiver.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 03 2013,12:54

Got to Sanctuary with Zer0 at level 38. Got better gear and I'm taking a crack at the pirate DLC again shortly. Got an orange grenade off Bewm, 20x MIRV.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 03 2013,14:26

(Malcolm @ Feb. 03 2013,12:59)

QUOTE

53WTB-S9XKW-SWFT3-TJBJB-FWWZW

Maybe good for a couple more hours. Holy fuck, it's another fiver.

I keep missing the good ones.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 03 2013,17:23

(GORDON @ Feb. 03 2013,16:26)

QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Feb. 03 2013,12:59)

QUOTE

53WTB-S9XKW-SWFT3-TJBJB-FWWZW

Maybe good for a couple more hours. Holy fuck, it's another fiver.

I keep missing the good ones.

That code was only good 2-3 hours total. Caught it in the last 10 minutes or so.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 03 2013,17:59

(Malcolm @ Feb. 03 2013,14:54)

QUOTE

Got to Sanctuary with Zer0 at level 38. Got better gear and I'm taking a crack at the pirate DLC again shortly. Got an orange grenade off Bewm, 20x MIRV.

Wasted the dude with little to no problem, didn't even drop my shield. Helped he was frozen two levels below me. Also helped I had way better weapons.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 03 2013,20:28

Pirate DLC respawn is fucking retarded.

"Hey, why don't we piss everyone off by not having any spawn points near local mission markers?"
"Fucking brilliant! Do it, EVERYWHERE!"

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 03 2013,21:11

First few pirate DLC side missions are done. Up to level 39.

1) Hope the respawn points aren't as sparse in the other areas.
2) Jeebus H. Disco Dancing Christ, Zer0's "kill during stealth = more stealth time" skill is huge.

You can dance into tight groups of plebes and demolish them. If I've been hit or I can flank an unshielded critter, he's pretty much dead unless he's shielded or a badass. I've even managed to cut straight through shields. If I don't one-hit my target, I can take cover and let my 8-9 second cooldown take effect. Had I known the difference was this big, I might've respec'd and deferred the six points I invested outside the skill tree.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 04 2013,08:06

< 6th character? >

Posted by Leisher on Feb. 04 2013,11:14

< Tiny Tina racist? >

If you see racism everywhere, you're the racist.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 04 2013,11:30

QUOTE

It began when Mike Stacco, creative developer of Cryptozoic Entertainment – a creator of trading card and iOS games – sent Burch the tweet, “Hey. I really like BL2′s writing, but Tiny Tina’s trope of “white girl talkin’ like them urban folk!!” has got to go.”

Maybe when that dudes graduates to a company that makes things beyond shitty licensed card/board and iOS games, I'll listen to him. Then again, who am I to question the dude whose company put out "Big Bang Theory" trading cards? If he's pissed at Tiny Tina being a caricature of non-black people acting black, what the fuck does he have to say about the non-nerds portraying caricatures of actual nerds?

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 04 2013,12:00

Geez, I didn't even realize she was white because I don't see the color of a persons skin.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 04 2013,14:57

I don't think people even know what racism is.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 04 2013,15:46

(TheCatt @ Feb. 04 2013,16:57)

QUOTE

I don't think people even know what racism is.

Discrimination against those who run or drive in races, damnit.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 05 2013,18:03

Back when my Zer0 was level 36, I (like an idiot) took a bunch of missions. I decided to clear them before proceeding with the pirate DLC.

One was to take out the four assassins in the Steam Works. By the time I got there, was midway through level 39, so I figured I'd destroy them all locked in at 36-37. Died about half a dozen times. Saw shit in TVH mode that was insane. One dude straight up resisted my bayoneted sniper rifle going through the back of his head. No damage. WTF? In addition, it appears the game counts you as hit at the beginning of a critter's swing for a melee attack. The following scenario happened quite a few times:

1) Nomad/psycho winds up for a hit
2) I enter stealth
3) I watch the critter follow through and hit my decoy
4) I take damage and die

WTF? It's either that or their melee swing is so wide, it's taking me out as I stand next to the decoy.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Feb. 05 2013,22:37

I'm betting AOE damage.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 06 2013,07:08

The Many Must Fall skill is making me way too apt to rush headlong into the fray.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 07 2013,18:31

CB5BB-XF65C-ZKXTT-TBBBT-TRKJZ

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 07 2013,18:33

Like a dumb-ass, I take the next story mission right as I finish the one I wanted to get out of the way. Why can't they adjust dynamically as you level? How the fuck hard can that be?

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 07 2013,21:02

W3CTB-HXR5W-S56B3-TTB33-SXTXF

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 08 2013,10:59

Up to level 40 now.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 08 2013,15:33

C3CBT-RC3XW-9WF33-BTJ3T-SB99J

Fiver.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 09 2013,11:45

Getting ready to take on Sandman in pirate DLC. Shit I've noticed in 2nd playthrough/DLC:

1) Due to TVH mode, badasses are a fuckload tougher. I actually have to be careful or they'll kill me.
2) What's with the spawns that slowly bleed out? It's like an old kung fu movie where one or two dudes rush me for a few waves.
3) Found a perfect spot to level up and farm a GODliath. Rather amusing.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 09 2013,19:53

Fuck whoever did the maps for Hayter's Folly. Every other fucking time I die, it's because of some nigh-invisible piece of scenery 100% impeding my progress. I guess stepping over a motherfucking rock is too much of a task.

EDIT: The early going, before getting to Sandman's joint, isn't that bad except for the punk-ass rabid skags. The following killed me at least five times...

1) crystal thing spawns
2) I rush in to melee and kill
3) rabid skags spawn right as I get to the crystal critter
4) I get killed because I can't recloak fast enough after hitting the crystal thing
5) fucking bullshit

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 09 2013,20:34

Don't be a Hayter.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 10 2013,12:54

Observations on going solo with a melee Zer0:

1) Your attack style is like jousting. Go invis, stampede through the crowd, take out who you can, get to the other side, wait for cooldown. Lather, rinse, repeat.

2) Out in the open with a bit of distance or against an army of plebes, you're deadly. Multiple badasses and\or enclosed spaces kills you. This seems like the opposite for the zerker, where enclosed space + zerking = death incarnate.

3) Use grenades, sniping, launchers to take out or soften the fuckers that stop your chained cloaking rushes before the main assault.

4) Use Tediore reloads, grenades, shotguns, and launchers to buy time between cooldowns or get second winds.

5) Always go with heavy hitting weapons. Rifles and SMGs just don't cut it. You don't want to have to land a few dead on bursts to do real damage. You get one shot before decloaking. You only get so many shots to get back up and you don't have the elemental buffs to make errant hits worth it. You need one quick kill to get back up, go invis, and back off.

6) Avoid the urge to rush in and destroy groups with melee before proper scouting. There's always one or two motherfuckers that cause trouble because you can't one-hit them or they're one of those suicidal bomber psychos (who are quickly becoming my goddamned pet peeve). I'm dying 10x less following this rule alone.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 10 2013,20:03

Check that. Most hated enemy is easily the Anchorman -- a tank that can jump at you, hook you and reel you in, chuck projectiles from a distance, and cover up and shield himself from frontal assault. Fuck those things.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 10 2013,20:05

Stay classy, Pandora.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 10 2013,20:36

Liking my new mod.
- +40% melee
- boosts resurgence skill +4 so every melee kill = up to 36% health regen (at low health)
- boosts killing blow skill +5 so enemies at 33% or less health take +1000% damage

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 11 2013,09:45

Oh yeah, and I think there are 2 levels of Anchormen. Those weren't very fun at first.

Posted by Leisher on Feb. 11 2013,10:31

Agreed. The anchormen are bitches.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 11 2013,11:12

Milk was a bad choice.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 11 2013,17:13

So, when I crack level 50 with Zer0, who's in for raid bosses? Seeing as how I barely see anyone hitting up BL2 in a multi mood nowadays, figure I'd check.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 13 2013,13:45

Word on the street is that codes will be dropping tomorrow.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 13 2013,14:12

(Malcolm @ Feb. 11 2013,20:13)

QUOTE

So, when I crack level 50 with Zer0, who's in for raid bosses? Seeing as how I barely see anyone hitting up BL2 in a multi mood nowadays, figure I'd check.

meeeeee

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 13 2013,15:57

(TheCatt @ Feb. 13 2013,16:12)

QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Feb. 11 2013,20:13)

QUOTE

So, when I crack level 50 with Zer0, who's in for raid bosses? Seeing as how I barely see anyone hitting up BL2 in a multi mood nowadays, figure I'd check.

meeeeee

Cool. Thinking it might be another couple weeks until I hit 50. Probably just in time for the cap raise.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 14 2013,10:06

W3KJ3-69JR5-9CXT3-JTJJT-WSCK5

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 14 2013,19:28

Catt's is for new skins and a SINGLE shotty. This is for a gold key.

WTC3B-Z5ZWC-HW6JT-JJJBJ-9FWXR

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 14 2013,20:18

Anchormen and their kind die with only moderate difficulty now. The current nemesis is the rabid stalker. Cloaker with fucking insane amount of health plus shields plus an unfairly devastating ranged attack.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 14 2013,21:02

WTF? I just died due to jumping from a ridiculous height. Fucking lying game hints. There was clearly land below me that I'd been to before.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 15 2013,04:40

(Malcolm @ Feb. 15 2013,00:02)

QUOTE

WTF? I just died due to jumping from a ridiculous height. Fucking lying game hints. There was clearly land below me that I'd been to before.

Yeah, that happened to me once as well. I mean, it was a ridiculously big jump, but still, had never died before on jumps

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 15 2013,07:22

My best guess as to why:

1) They obviously keep track of some kind of z-axis and can track if you're falling for a certain amount of time at a certain speed in the digital world.

2) Theory: something like "when you start falling for X feet at Y speed for Z seconds, you die." I think they key bit is X.

3) Why do I think this? It gives them a universal way to track "death by falling off map edge." If they set the X value to be something so far off the radar compared to normal map altitudes, they're mostly fine. In my case, and perhaps yours, we actually hit X when we jumped from that high up. I jumped off the plateau near Magnys Lighthouse trying to land back at the first encounter zone after the initial entrance. Bet I got about a third of the way down before I respawned.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 15 2013,07:26

Yes, same place for me. I think the real issue there is that the place between the first zone and the plateau is a different part of the map, game load is while you're riding the elevator up, or something.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 15 2013,07:46

I think I've fallen between map zones before.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 15 2013,08:05

Also managed to take out a grand total of one rabid stalker last night. Half the size of a psycho and they move faster.

Melee rush. Mirv 16x grenade. Couple dozen shotty blasts (four or five criticals in there) at short- to mid-range. Melee rush. Melee killshot. Had fought the fucker to a stalemate a few times prior to that. Getting tough to solo badasses without turret/Deathtrap to distract.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 15 2013,18:22

So... did some double checking. The elevator up to Magnys Lighthouse does not load a new zone, or if it does, there's no icon in the corner of the screen. Also again, kudos to the fucking dumb-ass the designed the level and put the nearest spawn point between a mission hotspot past three fucking enemy spawn areas. Seriously, fucking dumb-ass designer.

EDIT: Taking incremental jumps works. Zoning doesn't seem to factor in.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 15 2013,19:11

Hey Gordo, if you like sniping, you should spin up a Zer0. There's a skill tree that boosts crit damage to insane levels.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 15 2013,19:12

Just started a mecromancer

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 15 2013,23:15

Finished Pirate DLC. Thoughts:

1) How the fuck are you supposed to find enough treasure chests to get the booty call challenge? Fucking hell.

2) Took me a looooong time to figure out some of the sandworms at the end were QUEENS and needed killing. Key to winning was getting lucky avoiding falling rocks and not having the fucking sandworms play whack-a-mole after they downed me.

3) Decent loot at the end for me. Couple oranges, new everything except class mod (which I guess I bought earlier).

4) Rabid enemies were overly difficult. I was only able to take out the rabid stalkers due to zoning restrictions and their shitty AI.

5) There's an homage to Little Sister and Big Daddy. I was able to knock BD off a cliff, but he didn't die. He wasn't able to come back up, either. Guess I'll go back for him.

About 25-33% through level 43. Took the first level of the shock hologram skill. Fucking awesome. Shatters shields and there's 4 upgrades to go.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 16 2013,12:05

Wow. Was going over the loot I got last night...

1) orange pistol that fires shock AoE orbs that explode on impact, then shoot up vertically and explode again
2) a goddamn 20x orange rubber MIRV grenade that does ~400K after all the child grenades get done
3) relic that boosts both melee and cooldown by +8% over the last relic

All my gear (except my relic) is close to on par with my level. Good melee relics seem to be a bitch to come by.

Also like how it lets you do the last mission again. Must be how they expect you to get those pirate chests. On another note, I need to track down the melee damage calculation formula someday, and damage calculation in general. I wonder what bonuses get applied where.

Next DLC up is Mr. TORGUE's Badass Campaign of Badassery and Baddassitude. Not even going to try to dent Hyperius the Invincible and I figure I'll swing back through Pirate DLC for challenges/bosses after level 50.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 16 2013,17:13

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Posted by GORDON on Feb. 16 2013,19:53

your mom is a W3CJJ-BZR5C-ZK6T3-TT3TT-JS6T3

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 17 2013,10:14

Mr. TORGUE begins today. I noticed I can cut down entire biker gangs with just melee. If I'm accurate, I don't even uncloak once and I can chain about six kills together. That's because I can one-shot bikes regardless and one-shot crit the bikers to the tune of ~100K damage. Holy Jeebus.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 17 2013,17:00

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Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 18 2013,10:10

Pyro Pete's bar is fucking awesome. Reminds me of when I played the Gold Box games and got into bar fights. Except damn near everyone fights everyone at Pete's.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 18 2013,10:49

At first I didn't realize things were stealing $ from me at Pete's, kept wondering where my money was going.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 18 2013,10:55

(TheCatt @ Feb. 18 2013,12:49)

QUOTE

At first I didn't realize things were stealing $ from me at Pete's, kept wondering where my money was going.

Who's stealing? I do nothing but gain cash from my every visit there. Then again, I'm shooting 99.9% of each visit. Also, the bar fight tier battle. I take the mission at level 44. Notice the time gets tighter each time and I see a couple more badasses, so I figure that why's the tier 3 fight is giving me more issues. Nope, failed to see the flashing skulls next to each enemy, even after failing 3 times. Fucking level 50 difficulty. Shit, I almost pulled it off the first time.

EDIT: At level 45. Getting closer to Invincible-hunting time. Next five levels are looking to be slow as hell. I just picked up about five side quests. If they get me halfway to 46, I'll probably be lucky.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 18 2013,11:30

I cant remember the name of them. Loot Thiefs? Something. They like to take your money. Loot rat?

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 18 2013,11:32

(TheCatt @ Feb. 18 2013,13:30)

QUOTE

I cant remember the name of them. Loot Thiefs? Something. They like to take your money. Loot rat?

Oh yeah, there are some cannibal rats around, so I suppose some thieves could be there, too. Don't give them time to steal. Just shoot someone, take cover for a few seconds, and join the fray.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 18 2013,16:16

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EDIT: On a side note, most of Zer0's unlockable faces make him look like what I can only describe as a serial killer.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 18 2013,18:25

Ye gods. I would almost overlook this were it not for the Aliens: Colonial Marines debacle. Was doing side missions in TORGUE. Granted, I'm using a sniper at ultra long range to hit critters, but goddamn, come the fuck on. After two headshots, the response of a super badass enforcer should not be "flex like a backup dancer in that one Right Said Fred video." For fuck's sake, charge me, shoot back, take cover, throw a grenade, throw your gun, anything except stand there and strike a pose. They literally stood there while I shot them. Enemy AI is lacking.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 20 2013,11:34

Word is that the level cap increase might not be first quarter, but it'll be this year. Apparently some bugs came up during dev/testing.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 20 2013,16:35

Up to level 46. Wonder if I'll crack 50 by the time TORGUE DLC is done. At the Death Race mission. All the level 50 missions are now marked just as "hard" and not "impossible" at least.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 20 2013,17:15

Let me know if you ever make that L50 race, I dont think I ever did.

Or maybe I did? I tend to be a completionist. I think after you finish it, it's still available.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 21 2013,17:47

(TheCatt @ Feb. 20 2013,19:15)

QUOTE

Let me know if you ever make that L50 race, I dont think I ever did.

Or maybe I did? I tend to be a completionist. I think after you finish it, it's still available.

< Need one of these >.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 21 2013,20:00

Notes about TORGUE DLC:

1) Whoever said, "Hey, let's replace all the gun shops with TORGUE shops," deserves to be kicked in the nuts. I'd really like a fire weapon right now, but since the only things the gun shops sell seem to be explosive weapons, I'm out of luck. Good fucking job, assholes. All my guns are three levels behind me, I haven't been given any loot that's good enough to replace them and you shut off the only stores I can buy them. Fuck you.

2) Motor Mama gets a car and infinite rockets? Also seems cheap.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 22 2013,18:51

Since there aren't any guns of sufficient level in:

1) the core game or
2) pirate DLC and

also since

3) TORGUE DLC has shitty explosion-only guns in its machines,

I suppose I'm going to kill the Leviathan, again, to bring it up to my current level. Then kill it a third total time and hope to balls I get better guns. Suppose I could also start the Hammerlock DLC and fuck TORGUE until I get better guns or cap out in levels. Either way, it's fucking stupid design to screw a basic game dynamic like the gun store in a DLC. Put them alongside the TORGUE machines. Like people aren't going to fucking check out both.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 22 2013,19:37

Why is the fucking Hammerlock DLC tossing level 50 and 51 enemies at me when I'm level 46 with level 43 weapons? WHAT THE FUCK? Seriously, just how the fuck do I take these dudes down? None of my guns even dent them except the rocket launcher and by the time I get close enough to dent them with it, they kill me. I can joust them until they gang up on me or the witch doctor or whoever gets a lucky shot. Absolute fucking bullshit.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 23 2013,06:35

You whine a lot.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 23 2013,09:14

Sanctuary taking off has yet to kill me.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 23 2013,09:27

I wasn't whining, just relating an interesting tale.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 23 2013,10:28

It furthermore appears you get to rerun the Leviathan mission precisely one time.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 24 2013,09:53

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Almost beat the Tier 3 Death Race without the Afterburner. I think it's possible, you just have to run the course perfectly. Always had a couple fishtails that turned into small spinouts that cost me a few seconds, and I was always about 1-2 seconds too slow. Finally broke down and equipped the relic. Soooooooooo much easier.

Guess I'm back to the main storyline until the weapon levels go up. Least the XP isn't too horribly bad. Suppose I could use some keys, but I'd burn through at least a dozen before I had a minimal set of equipment of sufficient ass-kickingness.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 24 2013,11:55

(Malcolm @ Feb. 23 2013,13:28)

QUOTE

It furthermore appears you get to rerun the Leviathan mission precisely one time.

Not true.

Leviathan is the Pirate DLC end boss, right?

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 24 2013,12:45

(TheCatt @ Feb. 24 2013,13:55)

QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Feb. 23 2013,13:28)

QUOTE

It furthermore appears you get to rerun the Leviathan mission precisely one time.

Not true.

Leviathan is the Pirate DLC end boss, right?

Yeah. I killed him once. Then immediately after returning to pseduo-Hunter S. Thompson, the mission board lights up with the same final mission from Pirate DLC. Waited a few levels, then ran it again in the hopes I'd get at least three total runs. After the second time, turned the mission into p-HST, and no follow up from the bounty board in Oasis.

Can I just go there and kill the thing now, without the facade of a mission?

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 24 2013,15:56

Memory says yes, I think I killed him 3 times.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 24 2013,19:18

Due to me jumping back and forth between main quest and DLC, the mission generator seems to have gone a bit dodgy. I've got a slew of offered quests in Sanctuary, ranging in level from 37 to 47. Will probably hit 50 this week. Then, it's just a matter of getting weapons.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 27 2013,16:13

Midway through level 49. Finished off all the missions under 45. Starting to get new guns. My Leviathan kill limit is still 2. Can't get to his lair. No mission to trigger the trip and the backdoor from Oasis is blocked.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 27 2013,16:18

I don't remember needing the mission. You just had to show up at the right spot. Or, you had to go up the lighthouse, and then show up at the right spot.

Posted by Leisher on Feb. 28 2013,06:49

A real wedding invitation:

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 01 2013,19:53

Hit 50. Guns are still 4-5 level behind but gradually getting better. Got the first quest reward gun in a long time that I kept.

EDIT: Still not good enough to beat Tier 3 Bar Brawl at Pyro Pete's. Goddamn.

Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 02 2013,05:54

Tier 3 brawl: Remember, you only have to beat the, uh... Badass somethings, whatevers. Everyone else is irrelevant and will fight each other.

RPGs and grenades were my friend for L3.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 02 2013,09:18

Long as I'm cloaked, I'm fine. Every kill while cloaked is +2s of cloak. Problem is I can't one-shot anyone in Tier 3 unless conditions are perfect and every level 51 dude in there is blasting right through my level 43 purple shield. I have seen nothing with higher capacity, though, even the blue 45s being thrown at me. Think I almost had it once but time ran out and a couple dudes were left.

What I actually need is a roid shield with capacity around my current shield with a shorter delay/recharge. With that shield, a good bladed shotty, proper grenades, a real launcher, and preferably a Tediore or two, I bet I could take it. Ultimately, all I really need is a place that takes a combo of cash/eridium for level 50 gear. Why doesn't that place exist?

In addition, why aren't there more wild-ass shops?

How about a jetpack shop?. They obviously have the physics for geysers tossing you in midair and your enemies can fly, so why not? Tired of climbing that fucking mountain? Take the short cut.

Hell, better yet, make a shop where you can design your own gun using the parameters they'd normally generate. Make it obscenely expensive, like the sort of place you'd go to get a gun made for a raid boss run. Make one per manufacturer. Eh, come to think of it, maybe make it a bit more limited than the full gun-making procedure.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 03 2013,10:07

Fiver. KJWJ3-SCBFK-S5F3J-JBBB3-BHCJ3

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 03 2013,10:26

Looks like we aren't gathering four of us for a raid boss run anytime soon, so how about someone else with a L50 hosting a game so I can get some L50 loot?

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 10 2013,20:29

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Posted by Leisher on Mar. 14 2013,08:29

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 15 2013,18:42

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Irish SMG.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2013,16:34

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Anyone still use these?

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 24 2013,18:55

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3 keys

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 25 2013,10:36

< Date for new cap, level 60 >. Level cap comes for free for all season pass holders.

And more.

QUOTE

There will also be a new mode added onto Borderlands 2 called “Ultimate Vault Hunter’s Mode”. It will be available for free for all players. To access the mode, you’ll have to beat “True Vault Hunter Mode” and be at least level 50. A new weapon tier will also be added to the game. The new weapon tier, called Pearlescent, should be familiar to those of you who’ve played the original Borderlands. It is set to be the rarest loot in Borderlands 2.
...
Gearbox is also looking to bring a new, playable character to Borderlands 2. The character, Krieg, is a new, psycho Vault Hunter that will bring a new level of bloodiness to the game.

New character is NOT included in season pass. Think everyone will have to burn $5 for it.

Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 25 2013,11:16

Seriously, I buy the damned DLC and the character is not included?

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 25 2013,11:24

This is starting to get a bit much, even for me, if they release a second season of "new character + new DLC." I honestly don't give a fuck if they charge $100 for the ultra-mega-you-get-everything edition up front, as long as it's ironclad "I get all the new shit."

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 25 2013,12:08

Tweet Randy Pitchford your complaint.

Seriously.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 25 2013,12:41

Hmm, or perhaps some sort of tied bullshit based on the following premise: if you purchase DLC X in the past within a certain timeframe after release within a certain percentage of full retail price, you're given an option to buy the future DLC Y with a bit of a discount relative to how soon you bought X and\or what percentage of retail you paid.

Encourage early buying of X right now for a better shot at getting more folk to buy Y later. You're selling more X at full price and pissing off fewer people when they learn you're releasing Y and they'll have to buy more shit, thus increasing Y's profitability.

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 25 2013,12:51

Personally, I'm ok with everything they've done. The releases so far that were outside of the DLC were all pre-purchase exclusives. No problem there.

Asking $5 for a new character class, something that has never been promised for free, no problem.

4 DLCs for $20? Great.

Everything else has been free.

If they want to keep pushing out small things for free, great.

However, it's time to get the majority of the team working on BL3.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Mar. 25 2013,13:16

So, they are releasing new, for a cost, DLC before they've released all the DLC that's been paid for?

In other words, the Season Pass isn't fully released, but they are releasing new DLC that I have to pay for?

Or did I miss that all DLC that's been bought and paid for has been released?

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 25 2013,13:28

The very next DLC looks to be the last in the first season, they're calling it. Season pass holders also get the level 60 cap. The next DLC will also intro a new character for those willing for fork out.

They've also been speculating about a second season of DLC for a bit now.

EDIT: New character, wtf?

QUOTE

From the teaser trailer, the new character appears to be built for melee attacks in brutal close-quarters combat.

Good thing I spent all that time getting my melee Zer0 to 50.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 25 2013,16:36

QUOTE

However, it's time to get the majority of the team working on BL3.

The more I think about it, the more this is pissing me off more than anything. The cash you'll suck out of the BL2 gaming population with one more season of DLC doesn't seem to compare to implementing that same quality content in the next gen game, because fucking seriously ... BL2 already has as much or more DLC than BL1. It doesn't need a secondary melee character. Gaige is already a variation on Axton (pretty much because of the pet thing).

Jumpstarting BL3 dev with good ideas seems like a much better idea that trying to boost the BL2 endgame by tiny increments and having a played-out feel to the sequel.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 29 2013,18:14

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I'm up to 100 now.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 01 2013,07:26

QUOTE

Unnamed 4th DLC pack

With the release of the Psycho Pack, Gearbox teased the release of the fourth DLC pack for Borderlands 2 with a video showing Tiny Tina and three of the four original Vault Hunters from Borderlands play a tabletop game called "Bunkers and Badasses", similar to Dungeons & Dragons. Gearbox also stated that the DLC pack would be the "biggest yet" and be released by late June.

Any word on taking a run at some Seraphs, Leish?

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 01 2013,08:07

They lost me when the political correctness police hit Tina for "talking too black," or whatever it was.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 01 2013,09:08

1. I hated what they did regarding Tina.
2. How can they bend for that little public pressure, and then shamelessly release that Aliens game?

And yeah, but I've got to start getting my characters leveled. Done with Saint's Row now.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 01 2013,09:22

(Leisher @ Apr. 01 2013,11:08)

QUOTE

Wait, what did Gearbox actually do? I heard someone bitching about her. Did they cave?

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 01 2013,10:40

I know they said they would change how they dealt with her in the future, meaning we probably won't see her back or she'd be completely retooled.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 01 2013,11:03

Well, guess the new DLC will be the test.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 02 2013,10:49

< Huge patch and updates for BL2 hitting today. >

Includes the new Vault Hunter Mode and level cap increase.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 02 2013,13:42

< Details on the updats + SHIFT codes >

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 02 2013,17:51

That code is a fiver.

Also got the ultimate VH pack downloaded due to the season pass or premiere club or something. I might buy all the skins if they packaged them for $5, but for $1, I ain't that vain.

Am glad I stopped until the cap got upped, so I can now continue to gain XP while progressing towards missions that give me fucking level-appropriate guns.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 03 2013,17:04

Don't know if this is coincidence or not, but just played post-update for the first time. And for the first time ever, got my vehicle stuck in a stationary object.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 13 2013,19:13

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Both good til the 15th.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 14 2013,09:37

Max eridium also increased to 500.

Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 14 2013,10:16

So are there new levels of (whatever it is that eridium buys)?

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 14 2013,10:44

(TheCatt @ Apr. 14 2013,12:16)

QUOTE

So are there new levels of (whatever it is that eridium buys)?

Hmm, never checked. Let me doing some wiki'ing.

After checking ... nope. Although I think eridium is used for access to some of the Invincibles more than upgrades.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 14 2013,12:05

Even if they offered more upgrades, do you really run out of ammo? I'd buy the item and grenade upgrades, but that's it.

In other news, Jimmy Jenkins is apparently a bitch to find. If you head to the Wildlife Exploitation preserve, you'll find some spots where normal cardboard boxes and even stalker shit piles have loot boots. Jimmy Jenkins is a rare spawn loot bot. Rare enough that I've seen him maybe twice last playthrough and none this time. 4-5 loot bot spawns, 0 Jenkins.

Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 14 2013,16:13

Well, yes, I do run out of ammo.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 14 2013,17:59

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Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 14 2013,18:03

(TheCatt @ Apr. 14 2013,18:13)

QUOTE

Well, yes, I do run out of ammo.

I've not run out once. Then again, I tend to stop shooting things when they hit 75% health, and I do a lot of melee.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 14 2013,18:38

(Malcolm @ Apr. 14 2013,14:05)

QUOTE

In other news, Jimmy Jenkins is apparently a bitch to find. If you head to the Wildlife Exploitation preserve, you'll find some spots where normal cardboard boxes and even stalker shit piles have loot boots. Jimmy Jenkins is a rare spawn loot bot. Rare enough that I've seen him maybe twice last playthrough and none this time. 4-5 loot bot spawns, 0 Jenkins.

Turns out loot bots are just a subset of loot midgets that can spawn from the boxes as well. I get the feeling Jimmy's got a spawn rate no higher than 10%, even on the infamous Doctor's Orders mission.

Just to get to the boxes in the Wildlife Preserve requires bolting through half a dozen minor encounters, then having to duke it out with stalkers v. loaders v. you. After that, a super badass loader saunters forth to give battle. Once you get past that fucker, and some additional skags and stalkers inside, you've earned the right to 4 chances at a Jimmy Jenkins encounter. There is supposedly a better chance at Opportunity, but I'm going to try a few tips I got from the boards before completing the Doctor's Orders mission.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 14 2013,20:04

Finally getting some 45-47 level equipment. Making a huge-ass difference, especially the shock spike shield. I am puzzled at the way class artifacts are generated, though. I'm L50. I've got a blue L39 melee artifact that gives me +9 skills and +40% melee. I found a blue L43 artifact, identical in every way, except -1% melee damage. Wtf?

And seriously, my kingdom for a bladed/bayoneted gun.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 16 2013,08:36

Example of the new character's skills ... keep in mind he's supposed to be a variant of a psycho...

QUOTE

Fight For Your Life is replaced by Light the Fuse. During Light the Fuse you pull out a live bundle of dynamite and can move normally. The bundle explodes when the timer runs out. If you kill someone you are revived.

Getting a revive with the bundle explosion gives you +40% Movement Speed for the remainder of the time that was left in Light the Fuse.

Throw dynamite sticks with [Fire]. Detonate bundle by holding [Use].

Instead of lying on the ground bleeding, he gets to run around like the suicide psychos. If he gets a kill, then he's back up. I reiterate I still don't know why Gaige and Krieg couldn't have been saved for BL3.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 24 2013,17:56

Got my first Psycho class mod today. Weird, seeing as how his DLC doesn't even have a drop date.

EDIT: < A-ha >.

< Skill tree >. Trees:

1) Bloodlust

Focuses on ranged combat using a Bloodlust stack mechanic. Dealing damage to an enemy adds a stack of Bloodlust to a maximum of 100. Stacks decay after a few seconds if you haven’t dealt damage.

Interesting how they're doing these "stack" things for the DLC characters. Expect this shit in BL3 a lot.

2) Hellborn

Focuses on elemental effects, particularly setting oneself on fire.

You set yourself on fire, ult is the equivalent of an intrinsic fire spike shield on steroids that shoots homing fireballs at enemies. This works even at range to the tune of 1 ball per second.

3) Mania

Focuses on melee combat and Health/Fight For Your Life mechanics.

This tree looks evil as hell. You spend life with your shields down, but you're a complete, utter, total, pain in the ass bastard to kill. The ult makes you a melee tank. The melee bonuses in this tree are obscene, +10% on one tier, +50% on another, +100% on the ult. Middle skill turns FFYL into "run around like a screaming loon with dynamite" mode. On the flip side, you ARE vulnerable to friendly fire if you take a pretty much required skill here. Wonder how that plays with the Siren's "shooting = healing" skill. However, that's probably intentional because the damage is reduced. I suspect it's a way for your teammates to send you into berserk mode.

This dude is the closest to Brick from BL1, I believe.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 24 2013,18:01

QUOTE

Thoughts...

1) While the mission is active, I seem to get more robots than non-robots to spawn from the four boxes guaranteed to spawn a loot critter of some type. This is good, because Jimmy Jenkins is a robot.

2) Even with the pro-robot spawn bias, he's a rare bot. I revise my 10% to 5%.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 24 2013,18:32

Hmm, I think I figured out a solution to my Mr. Torgue's Campaign of Carnage not giving me jackshit for guns problem.

The Death Race: Tier 3 looks repeatable. Moreover, I just checked a vid of a brutally simple cheat to make losing virtually impossible. You can farm tokens, 20 a time, but an inexhaustible supply apparently.

Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 25 2013,06:09

Cheater.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 25 2013,07:15

(TheCatt @ Apr. 25 2013,08:09)

QUOTE

Cheater.

Using the afterburner relic, I can do it legit. Without the relic, I'd have to have 2 perfect laps, which hasn't happened yet. Came within a second a couple times, though. I can't believe I didn't think of the cheat before, either.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 25 2013,09:26

If you haven't been watching Twitter, the new expansion pack appears to be on it's way.

The "spokesperson" for this one is a psycho.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 30 2013,07:28

Thinking of splurging $5 for the new psycho character next month.

Posted by Malcolm on May 02 2013,17:29

W35JB-XT66C-ZWFBT-3TTT3-H9F6F

Fiver. And Leish, any closer to gunning for Seraph Guardians?

Posted by Leisher on May 02 2013,21:25

I haven't played in a bit because of LoL, but I have not lost interest.

Posted by TheCatt on May 03 2013,05:38

So... do we need to get to L60 first?

Posted by Malcolm on May 03 2013,07:11

(TheCatt @ May 03 2013,07:38)

QUOTE

So... do we need to get to L60 first?

Depends if you want more of a challenge. The raid bosses' level is determined by the VH mode you're in. True VH yields level 52 raid bosses. Ultimate VH mode will put them at 63. VH mode is set by the host.

Posted by Leisher on May 10 2013,07:21

< Kreig sounds pretty cool. >

Posted by Malcolm on May 10 2013,07:58

I've heard the Mania skill tree described as "energizer bunny from hell." Boards are buzzing that he will be a bitch and a half to knock down and bleed out. He gets exponentially more dangerous as his health gets lower. I assume you'll need to drop him half a dozen times before FFYL mode runs out quick enough to kill him.

Posted by Stranger on May 10 2013,08:16

cool. i was wondering when they were releasing him, looks like May 14. I'll prolly have to drop another $10 on this game even though i haven't played it much lately. I've been getting the itch too though, i have all the DLC's and haven't been through all of them yet.

Posted by Malcolm on May 10 2013,08:38

I keep meaning to meet up with my buddy who's got a L50 Siren so I can farm a few guns my own level. I hear the Witch Doctors from the Hammerlock DLC are still a bitch, though. Pretty much everything in that DLC was beating my ass.

Posted by Malcolm on May 10 2013,16:09

QUOTE

Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep will be the fourth and final piece of downloadable content released free for Season Pass holders, although not necessarily the final DLC released. Not much is known about it yet, outside of the fact that it involves a tabletop game similar to Dungeons and Dragons. It will be released on 25 June 2013.

Posted by TheCatt on May 10 2013,17:41

OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT SHE CAN'T "TALK BLACK" ANY MORE YOU FUCKERS

Posted by Malcolm on May 10 2013,17:53

(TheCatt @ May 10 2013,19:41)

QUOTE

OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT SHE CAN'T "TALK BLACK" ANY MORE YOU FUCKERS

Dude, "black" is totally a language. Or dialect. Or something. As history records, "badonkadonk" was the term evil white slavers used when referring to the ass of their female captives. It is clearly racist.

Posted by Malcolm on May 11 2013,10:11

Got tired of doing Jimmy Jenkins runs and not finding him. Figured since my guns were around the Motor Mamma mission level, I'd try again. After I learned she can't blast rockets through the scaffolding, it got easier to take out her bike. When she was on foot, I could literally run circles around her and melee. She got off one lucky shot that one-hit me. Fortunately, her bike was available for second wind purposes. Finally got her. Just took getting the guns up to the proper level. Now that I have the infinite TORGUE tokens mission, I can at least keep up with the pace in that DLC.

Posted by Malcolm on May 16 2013,17:46

Bought the Psycho, Krieg. Report to follow. Got about an hour for a test drive.

Posted by Malcolm on May 19 2013,10:10

Did the L45 Tier 1 Bandit Circle of Slaughter (first arena) as a L50 Zero with L47 gear. After a couple attempts at failing to get the optional objective, I rethought my strategy as the badass waves gave me much annoyance.

The gear sucks against critters hovering at L50. Not a lot of elemental spread, either ... too much corrosive.

Posted by Leisher on May 24 2013,13:23

Tiny Tina just started tweeting...

Look for the expansion pack with her new personality soon.

Posted by TheCatt on May 24 2013,14:02

Is she talking black? Cuz if not, I don't believe it's her.

Posted by TPRJones on May 24 2013,14:48

Sounds like her. Although in this case "her" would probably be Anthony Burch. But it could possibly be Ashly, the Tina character is basically just an amped-up aged-down version of her usual HAWP character.

Posted by Stranger on May 29 2013,10:09

< http://kotaku.com/four-th....9743760 >

Fourth DLC for the season pass drops June 25!

I've got lots of catching up to do.

Posted by Leisher on May 29 2013,10:16

So do I.

Posted by Stranger on May 29 2013,10:42

i played a little yesterday with my lvl 36 Axton on the third DLC and someone showed me how to spawn this giant 20 story four legged spider thing. Took 3 of us about 20-30 mins to kill.. and that was still on the first playthrough!!

It just reminded me of how much i love playing this game. Max level is now 69 (i think), and all the new content they keep putting in. Like guns that shoot swords!?!?!!! Fuck me, i'm hooked again.

Posted by Malcolm on May 29 2013,10:45

(Stranger @ May 29 2013,12:42)

QUOTE

Yeah, the Hammerlock DLC ... those dudes are drifters. I remember them from BL1. You have to shoot the eyes/lights/hotspots on their otherwise earth tone body. They drop quickly. Otherwise, blasting through their damage resistance takes way too much ammo.

Posted by Stranger on May 31 2013,07:27

< http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/ >
(play the first video, a meat bicycle built for two)

hilarious video about Krieg.

I haven't played him yet, but his personality is absolutley perfect.

Also, how do i post videos so that you can play them right from the board and not have to link to another page?

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 08 2013,08:30

i found a good way to get lots of Torgue tokens last night.. In the Torgue DLC if you go to Pyro Pete's there is a repeatable mission that lets you go in to the bar and kill tons of badasses, you just have to kill them in under 2 minutes which isn't that hard. The reward is 20 tokens and they drop about another 10 during the fight.

All Torgue vending machines have a legendary in them and i believe the most i've seen one go for is 600 tokens or so. You can build up gold, tokens, and XP pretty quickly this way, i went from level 39-42 in just under a half hour in doing this.

Once thing i have yet to find.. a Seraph crystal. i think you can get those in the first DLC but i have yet to run into a single one yet.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 08 2013,10:27

The vast majority of arena fights in the Torgue DLC are repeatable. Seraph crystals drop from "... the Invincible" raid bosses. Since we seem to lack the ability to organize a run at one of them, I guess we'll never see one up close...

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 11 2013,12:13

< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z75LQCkInoY >

Randy has got it all... except for a hot wife...

Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 11 2013,16:05

If my wife weren't hot, I'd probably work more.

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 14 2013,08:25

i'm curious what level characters everyone has as of right now, and any Oranges you may have.

I'm currently running with a level 45 Axton and i'm on the Bloodwing mission in TVHM. So about half way through the second playthrough. I'm trying to rush to level 50 cause thats when the Pearlescents start to drop.

I got a little bit of a lucky streak and got a few oranges once i got to level 40. One is a Hellfire SMG, i've got 2 orange shields, and 2 orange grenade mods.

So maybe we can get a group together sometime and try and farm some legendaries. And the new DLC comes out in 10 days so that could be fun too.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 14 2013,08:50

Level 50.5 Zer0. Everyone else is sub level 15. I've actually taken to selling my mid 40 oranges.

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 14 2013,10:13

why sell the oranges? keep them for another character, or give them away. Money is worthless in this game if you ask me.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 14 2013,10:17

(Stranger @ Jun. 14 2013,12:13)

QUOTE

why sell the oranges? keep them for another character, or give them away. Money is worthless in this game if you ask me.

There's more where those come from.

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 14 2013,10:21

True.. but they seem so rare that i just couldn't bring myself to sell them.. any luck with pearls yet?

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 14 2013,10:22

Jack and shit.

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 14 2013,10:28

Then i need to rush to get to 50.. i've been getting into Leisher's ear about playing some and he's been receptive but i don't know.

Maybe with Gordo being gone for a couple weeks we can get a night or two outta him and try for some pearls. He might need to be leveled up a bit, but if i recall he had a pretty high level Mechromancer last i knew.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 14 2013,10:30

He's got a L50 Axton & L50 mech, I thought.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 15 2013,10:38

I'd be up for any action. But my plan for more oranges is:

1) Progress in main story TVH mode until the quests start getting L50.
2) Finish up TORGUE DLC. Pop the vault, could be L50 oranges among the lot.
3) Finish up Hammerlock DLC (enemies are an absolute bitch).
4) Finish up B&B DLC (Tiny Tina).

I guess I'll hang onto spare oranges if you want them.

Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 15 2013,10:47

(Malcolm @ Jun. 14 2013,13:30)

QUOTE

He's got a L50 Axton & L50 mech, I thought.

That's what I've got.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 15 2013,10:50

Having someone around besides a goliath berserker will make flanking so much easier.

Sounds like we've got Catt, Stranger, me on board. Maybe Leish? That's a party there. Although, you'd all be bringing pets, so I imagine that might make things easier.

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 20 2013,11:53

PC: KTWTT-KXJFK-ZCF3J-JTBT3-3SHZB

If anyone is still using these codes, this is a 5 key code.. Good till the 25th.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 20 2013,12:26

Got 130 keys or something now, but the fivers always help. Mainly why I'm not too concerned about l33t l3wt anymore.

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 21 2013,09:23

I have 79.

I loaded BL2 up last night, and left the pirate DLC, which had left me...annoyed with the game. I'm a bit lost, and will need a few hours to figure out what I'm carrying and why.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 21 2013,09:39

What's wrong with the Pirate DLC?

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 21 2013,09:53

Nothing the first time through...

Then it basically resets, and it got annoying because it wasn't completely clear that it had reset. On top of that, the maps are sort of boring, and buried within each other so if you want to leave and go somewhere else quickly, you can't.

I love the BL world, and the Torque DLC is awesome, but this one just...I don't know.

I've launched BL2 two dozen times in the past few months, saw where I was, and just had zero desire left to play.

Last night I forced myself to get out and back to Sanctuary. Once there I opened my inventory and decided to call it a night and come back to it when I had the time and desire to go through that mess.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 21 2013,09:58

Didn't mind the DLC. Seemed kind of ho-hum, smaller than I'd like. The Hammerlock DLC feels different. The baddies there are a step up from TORGUE, Pirate, and the main quest. Fuck those witch doctors.

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 21 2013,10:03

i would agree and say that the Pirate DLC is my least favorite, but for the most part i enjoy playing any of the DLC's over the normal story line. But thats prolly because i get bored of the same story missions over and over again.

I was in the same situation as Leisher about a month or so ago. I got bored of the game because all i did was play solo and got to a few parts that were just to hard solo or just annoying. I decided to jump into someone elses game just for a change of pace and i was instantly drawn in again. Playing co-op is really what this game is about, solo play just seems to lose some of its fun after a while.

So Leisher.. next time you get on lemme know, or if you see me on jump into game. We can get you back to enjoying it again.

And anyone that wants to jump into game with me is more than welcome too. My Steam profile name is MadMordigan. Malcom i believe you are EchoVerbatim if i recall correctly. And Catt, i don't believe we are friends on Steam but if you wanna play just lemme know.

I'll prolly be on for a bit tonight, but i was planning on playing some LOL too if some of the guys were on.

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 21 2013,10:42

QUOTE

I was in the same situation as Leisher about a month or so ago. I got bored of the game because all i did was play solo and got to a few parts that were just to hard solo or just annoying. I decided to jump into someone elses game just for a change of pace and i was instantly drawn in again. Playing co-op is really what this game is about, solo play just seems to lose some of its fun after a while.

So Leisher.. next time you get on lemme know, or if you see me on jump into game. We can get you back to enjoying it again.

It is just so not my style or desire to jump into games with strangers. Honestly, fuck them. Especially, in this type of game. Not my thing. Never will be my thing.

Playing with friends is different. I WANT to play BL2 with you guys, BUT I'm in a mind frame about it right now where I don't want to get into a game with you all because I'm worried I'll end up wanting to quit out, and won't be able to...

Got to give me time to get my bearings in terms of missions, sort my inventory, etc. then I'll be ready to head back into some multi. I'll make it a goal to get my inventory done this weekend.

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 21 2013,11:00

don't worry about inventory shit cause all of that will be worthless gear in 5 levels anyways. What level are you at anyways?

And i'd say don't worry about quitting.. i look at B2 as one of those great games that you can come and go as you please. Play it 15 mins while waiting for other people to get on, or play it all night and try and farm shit.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 21 2013,18:17

Weapons are indeed shit worthless -5L from your enemies, so until you cap out, don't worry. There's usually a way to get a better gun. I'd say "always" but fuck you TORGUE DLC and your fucked up "no gun stores take anything but TORGUE tokens" policy.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 22 2013,10:42

BL is the new Gauntlet. Going through the story quests with random people just sucks. It feels like MMO farming. If they had some PvP going on (which they totally fucking could), it'd be a different story. Unlike Gauntlet, you now have to worry about everyone matching up, in terms of player enemy, loot, and gear levels, story progress, etc. Then there's balancing your party loadout on top of all that shit for skills, weapons, shields, elemental shyte.

If you really wanted to make life interesting and have customized quest experiences, you'd let a player take on the role of an active director (like in in L4D) and have him deal with all that shit.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 24 2013,07:52

As a reminder, the last DLC for season pass holders, Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep, drops tomorrow. Have yet to multi any DLC content, so if y'all can put down the crackpipe that is LoL...

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 25 2013,14:37

< Article about current DLC >.

QUOTE

There are a number of things you could say about Borderlands 2′s Assault on Dragon Keep DLC, but thanks to this launch trailer we can instead focus on the most important: it contains a gun that fires swords. Swords that impale your enemies and then explode.

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 25 2013,18:30

i'm on.. if anyone wants to join.. lemme know

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 26 2013,06:33

So far i'm loving the new DLC. The D&D theme, music, and just anything goes cause its all in Tiny Tina's made up world is just fantastic.. But i caught a line that Axton said at one part aaaaaaaannnndd, i think he's gay...

Tiny Tina: "With the Sorcerer's tower in sight, you think of what you're going to spend your reward money on once you rescue the queen."

Axton: "Guns and ladies. And sometimes dudes."

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 26 2013,07:20

Since Leish picked him on the first playthrough, I figured as much.

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 26 2013,07:30

(Malcolm @ Jun. 26 2013,10:20)

QUOTE

Since Leish picked him on the first playthrough, I figured as much.

Now I know why you kept asking me to "get your back".

Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 26 2013,13:59

He only said "sometimes" dudes. That's not gay.

And may he spends money on dudes to watch them fight and kill each other? Also not gay.

I downloaded the DLC thinking I might play this weekend on the part of my trip when I'm not with my kids/wife... and forgot to pack a mouse. sad.

Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 26 2013,16:03

I think he's 60/30 bi.

Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 26 2013,18:25

(TPRJones @ Jun. 26 2013,19:03)

QUOTE

I think he's 60/30 bi.

Who isnt?

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 26 2013,20:54

(TheCatt @ Jun. 26 2013,20:25)

QUOTE

(TPRJones @ Jun. 26 2013,19:03)

QUOTE

I think he's 60/30 bi.

Who isnt?

Cake and Leish. 100% gay.

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 27 2013,06:44

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 27 2013,06:57

Tri-wielding?

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 28 2013,03:52

< http://www.amazon.com/gp....m_links >

For those of us that don't already have it, great sale. BL1 GOTY edition and BL2 with season pass for $21.99!!

< http://www.amazon.com/Borderl....CORAMDM >

And here's the Krieg psycho pack for only $5. These are both good till July 3rd.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 21 2013,10:33

But wait, there's < more >.
In short, sounds sandboxy:

1) new DLC for $5 consisting of high-level enemies, loot, encounters, areas, no plot though ... involves Patricia Tannis
2) Headhunter DLC -- access to new bosses & loot ... sounds episodic ... first one is TK Baha's Bloody Harvest ... more to come, sounds like
3) higher level cap
4) extra backpack, ammo, bank expansions

I need to get a desk and chair setup so my laptop if FPS-ready again. But, seeing as how everyone's hitting that LoL crackpipe...

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 28 2013,10:45

.

From < here >.

Posted by Stranger on Aug. 27 2013,06:57

< http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming....harvest >

Yet even more DLC on the way.

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 27 2013,07:10

Order of getting things:
1) new TV
2) new desk + chair

I will then be back to BL2 mode if anyone wants to join. Still haven't cracked the Tiny Tina DLC yet.

Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 27 2013,10:13

Who knows if I'll even ever have time to play again... but I'd be up for it. still stuck at L50

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 27 2013,10:14

(TheCatt @ Aug. 27 2013,12:13)

QUOTE

Who knows if I'll even ever have time to play again... but I'd be up for it. still stuck at L50

I'm 50 plus some change. Think I'm halfway to 51?

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 29 2013,12:19

< Axton is bi >.

Posted by Leisher on Aug. 29 2013,14:11

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 04 2013,09:10

Tiny Tina just started tweeting.

Look for a new announcement or some special weekend event.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 04 2013,09:12

TV will be out of the way soon. Next step is a new computer desk/chair combo.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 04 2013,10:05

< Loot hunt. >

Starts Oct 11th, but you need to register.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 11 2013,11:22

Loot hunt begins shortly. I've registered, did anyone else?

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 11 2013,11:30

Going to get the appropriate furniture by month's end, hopefully. Then start on a dock and monitors.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 11 2013,11:33

I'm signed up too.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 11 2013,11:40

(Malcolm @ Oct. 11 2013,14:30)

QUOTE

Going to get the appropriate furniture by month's end, hopefully. Then start on a dock and monitors.

The loot hunt ends November 8th i believe. You might miss out on it if you wait that long.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 11 2013,11:42

(Leisher @ Oct. 11 2013,14:33)

QUOTE

I'm signed up too.

Do you even play this anymore? if you do lemme know id love to play some more.

Its been a while since i've played myself but i've completed Tiny Tina's.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 11 2013,11:43

I'm game when the time comes.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 11 2013,12:00

(Stranger @ Oct. 11 2013,14:42)

QUOTE

(Leisher @ Oct. 11 2013,14:33)

QUOTE

I'm signed up too.

Do you even play this anymore?

I'm waiting for Gordo or Cake to hop in here and ask this to you about LoL.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 11 2013,12:32

(Leisher @ Oct. 11 2013,15:00)

QUOTE

(Stranger @ Oct. 11 2013,14:42)

QUOTE

(Leisher @ Oct. 11 2013,14:33)

QUOTE

I'm signed up too.

Do you even play this anymore?

I'm waiting for Gordo or Cake to hop in here and ask this to you about LoL.

WHAT HE ISNT ALLOWED TO EVER PLAY OTHER GAMES???1?

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 11 2013,12:38

(GORDON @ Oct. 11 2013,15:32)

QUOTE

(Leisher @ Oct. 11 2013,15:00)

QUOTE

(Stranger @ Oct. 11 2013,14:42)

QUOTE

(Leisher @ Oct. 11 2013,14:33)

QUOTE

I'm signed up too.

Do you even play this anymore?

I'm waiting for Gordo or Cake to hop in here and ask this to you about LoL.

WHAT HE ISNT ALLOWED TO EVER PLAY OTHER GAMES???1?

Whatever.. isn't it past your bedtime Gordo?

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 11 2013,12:54

QUOTE

Whatever.. isn't it past your bedtime Gordo?

Zing!

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 11 2013,17:06

They must be having issues because the Hunt was moved back to the 12th.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 11 2013,19:23

He's got a baby on the way, and he has bedtime jokes.

edit - plus no one is on

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 13 2013,07:29

Killed Knuckledragger in two shots. Got the new gun. Was about to go hunting for Badass Marauders and saw that the objective had already been completed.

There are a LOT of people registered in this hunt...

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 17 2014,10:31

< Gearbox on BL3 possibilities > and more BL2 content.

Posted by Stranger on Feb. 17 2014,11:36

Still love this game.. i have all of the DLC's, the ultimate vault hunter upgrade 2 (so i can level to 72) and just recently picked up the last two headhunter packs. Just gotta start playing it again.

Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 09 2014,06:23

< Prequel coming, rumoured later this year >

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 09 2014,07:13

So more Handsome Jack. That could get me back into the game.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 09 2014,07:53

I'll buy it.

They messed up killing Handsome Jack. I don't think they knew he'd be such a great villain.

Although, they do have clones in the story, and the players get resurrected...

Posted by Stranger on Apr. 09 2014,08:28

This is great news! i have thrown every dollar i can at the other games and still waiting for the last DLC to come out later this month.

Needless to say, i'll be purchasing this on day one.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 21 2014,08:41

< The Pre-Sequel >.

Posted by Malcolm on May 05 2014,10:24

< Tales from the Borderlands >.

EDIT: Link fixed.

Posted by TPRJones on May 05 2014,10:26

What? Whyfor circular link?

Posted by TheCatt on May 05 2014,10:30

(TPRJones @ May 05 2014,13:26)

QUOTE

What? Whyfor circular link?

If you click it enough you get to the real one.

Posted by Malcolm on May 05 2014,10:34

(TPRJones @ May 05 2014,12:26)

QUOTE

What? Whyfor circular link?

Damnit.

Posted by Leisher on May 12 2014,11:17

I could have put this in the movies section, but there's really nothing to make it note worthy or stunning until that final line.

< John Carpenter is cooler than you think. >

The man made The Thing and Halloween. His opinion matters.

Posted by Malcolm on May 12 2014,11:22

I knew I liked John for a reason.

Posted by Leisher on May 16 2014,10:24

The Borderlands Twitter feed was promoting these, so...

Posted by Leisher on May 28 2014,11:57

< article w/15 minute gameplay video. >

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 05 2014,07:57

October 14th

< Article w/dance video. >

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 05 2014,08:29

Joy puke.

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 05 2014,08:34

(GORDON @ Jun. 05 2014,11:29)

QUOTE

Joy puke.

Do you even play video games anymore?...

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 05 2014,10:47

I didnt leave the gaming group, the gaming group left me.

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 05 2014,10:59

... i do miss the good ol' days too.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 05 2014,11:21

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 05 2014,12:08

(GORDON @ Jun. 05 2014,13:47)

QUOTE

I didnt leave the gaming group, the gaming group left me.

To be fair...

I was the one that left LoL. Why everyone else quit is on them. It's not like I was the fifth guy on a 5 man team. I was the fourth on a 5 man team...

You have continued to play LoL, well ARAM, without us. You have even gone on record as saying you enjoy it more because there's no pressure, and nobody's giving you shit for underperforming, and if they do, you mute them. (I get that, and all that was part of why I left LoL in the first place.)

However, you can't say we haven't done a lot, including actually buying you games, to keep you involved in the group.

And to be really fair, there's nothing out right now that has everyone's attention.

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 05 2014,14:19

(Leisher @ Jun. 05 2014,15:08)

QUOTE

And to be really fair, there's nothing out right now that has everyone's attention.

I wasn't the one giving me a hard time about it.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 05 2014,14:34

Agreeing with Gordon. I still play video games. But got too hard to try to get the group together.

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 05 2014,15:17

(GORDON @ Jun. 05 2014,17:19)

QUOTE

(Leisher @ Jun. 05 2014,15:08)

QUOTE

And to be really fair, there's nothing out right now that has everyone's attention.

I wasn't the one giving me a hard time about it.

Who was giving who a hard time about what?

QUOTE

Agreeing with Gordon. I still play video games. But got too hard to try to get the group together.

Agreeing with him about what? Seriously. That comment makes zero sense to me. Quote his exact words you agree with and paste them in your response.

Here are your options:

QUOTE

I didnt leave the gaming group, the gaming group left me.

QUOTE

I wasn't the one giving me a hard time about it.

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 05 2014,15:22

(Stranger @ Jun. 05 2014,11:34)

QUOTE

(GORDON @ Jun. 05 2014,11:29)

QUOTE

Joy puke.

Do you even play video games anymore?...

Did you miss this?

Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 05 2014,15:53

I was referring to "group quit me", but I would also agree with "hard time about it". So, both at this point.

Leisher and Stranger quit LoL, making LoL impossible to play as a group. Group moves on. Played a few games, none of which grabbed the group by the balls, but the group had fun playing. MW was tried, again, didn't grab group by the balls. But it did grab Leisher and Stranger. Leisher and Stranger play that game all of the time with slight distraction by Rust (another game with no group ball grabbing) but make it clear that MW has their balls and that's where they want to be. It was made clear that the game is better without me as well, so I move on. Half the group is balling MW, the other half has no home for their balls and are playing the field. One with an old ball holder.

In summary, Leisher and Stranger are balls deep in MW and have made it clear that is their primary game right now. Until MW lets go of their balls, the group won't play another game.

The band broke up with two members joining another band, and the other two not having a band to join because they are waiting for the original band to get back together and start making sweet sweet music again.

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 05 2014,16:24

Ah, well that's kind of accurate, but not 100% accurate.

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Leisher and Stranger quit LoL,

He still plays.

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making LoL impossible to play as a group

Hard to play with 4 anyway. Everyone else we played with has also quit or just quit us.

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Played a few games, none of which grabbed the group by the balls, but the group had fun playing.

Truth. We need another Steam sale so we can try some more.

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Leisher and Stranger play that game all of the time with slight distraction by Rust

Rust and other single player games. Totally off Rust at the moment though.

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It was made clear that the game is better without me as well, so I move on.

Actually, all I did was ask you not to constantly be negative about a game I enjoyed. If you take that as "the game is better without you", that's a you problem. I didn't think it was too much to ask. I never saw your declaration of quitting, and just assumed you were too busy to play lately.

It's funny because I remember you having that same conversation about LoL where you were in my shoes. Twice.

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the other half has no home for their balls and are playing the field. One with an old ball holder.

I have not been made aware of any other attempts at games, and it has been very clearly spelled out to me that I and others are not particularly welcome back in LoL.

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Until MW lets go of their balls, the group won't play another game.

I have made it quite clear that I'm more than willing to play group games, but nobody is suggesting anything. Hell, I just posted about trying World of Tanks if we were so inclined among other games. I still have games installed on my system that I simply do not want, but keep them just in case we multi. (I just looked, and that number is 7.)

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The band broke up with two members joining another band, and the other two not having a band to join because they are waiting for the original band to get back together and start making sweet sweet music again.

Aren't you the one who wouldn't show up during our hey day in LoL because you were multiing something with another group? And also the one who tried to start another band in LoL in December?

I posted most recently about wanting to multi. It was ignored. I spoke with Gordon (A guy I've bought games for) at length about it at lunch, again mentioning WoT if that would get him playing. I told Rifle again this weekend that I won't play without you guys. Stranger and I talk a lot about wishing we'd all play something again. You and I discussed it as well, but lamented the fact that we can't get everyone to agree on something.

I'm not blaming anyone, but I'm definitely pointing out that I'm not the problem here.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Jun. 05 2014,22:03

I will only add that I sit by my phone every night, waiting for someone to call. And no one does.

Posted by Stranger on Jun. 06 2014,05:39

I didn't think my one remark would spark this conversation. I just said that because i haven't seen Gordo online in a while, and Cake even less than that. Thats just according to Steam of course. To tell you the truth i haven't even been playing much of anything latley myself. If i do play its MW:O for a few matches and maybe a game of LOL, but that is pretty rare.

I don't think that anybody has ever been told not to play any games, and that is pretty rediculous if that was the case. Infact one of the main reasons i haven't played any games as much lately is because i get bored playing alone.

In all honesty, nobody left the group, nobody told others they weren't welcome to join in a game, and its nobody's fault that we haven't been playing. We played LOL for a good 3 years, that wasn't gonna last forever. Its the longest i think i have played any game so that says alot for me cause i don't usually stick to a game for that long. So now, like Cake says, we are looking for something to take us by the balls, all of us.. and that just hasn't happened yet.

I'm always up for any suggestions, but there haven't been any offered up as of late. I think that MW:O could be fun in the future but i think its got another 6 months before things really get going there. I'd always play LOL again if people wanted, but i think that ship has sailed and i can understand that. So if there are any other suggestions i'm all ears. Maybe we can continue this discussion in another thread.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 11 2014,12:01

Stupid question:

I reinstalled Borderlands 2 in order to refresh my memory of the game. None of my old save games are there, but my characters still are. Someone bought me the season pass, but I never launched any of it.... I want to, now. But I don't seem to be able to. I go into downloadable content, and a lot of it is set as "Purchased," but how do I launch it? Doesn't seem to be an option.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 11 2014,12:04

Never mind, I googled it.

I may have to run the entire game over again to get access to these other areas in the fast travel system, since my save games aren't here.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 11 2014,12:39

Nope, fast travel system fully updated.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 15 2014,05:43

In the other thread I was talking about why Borderlands was a great game... this Cracked article goes into a lot more detail but they pretty much say I am right about all things.

< http://www.cracked.com/blog....fanpage >

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So clearly: Borderlands 2 is the end result of a long history of psychological exploitation in the media. It is all the worst elements of addiction and consumerism, twisted and presented as harmless entertainment. It is an unrelenting knife twisting in the wound of our own vices.

And you know what? It's totally fucking fantastic.

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Literally every other piece of dialogue is snarkily acknowledging these tricks. In the Borderlands universe, when you die, you respawn at a save point that charges you a small fee for bringing you back from death. Every single time it happens, the fictional company in charge of the resurrection machine plays a little message thanking you for dying, and politely encouraging you to run off and make the same mistake again, or to seek vengeance on the party that just killed you. That company, by the way, is also one of the major weapons manufacturers. In one of the better snippets of writing, a calm, feminine voice gently suggests that, if you're going to seek vengeance anyway, why not buy one of their guns to do it?

Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 08 2016,14:14

So for Valentine's Day... my wife got me... Borderlands 2 with all the DLC!

You know, this game is still awesome. We've been co-oping it ever since, and finished a week or two ago. We did Torgue's campaign during the play-through, and then did Tina's afterward. Tina's DLC may be my favorite so far.

Now we're replaying in True Vault Hunter Mode, at around level 41. The game now goes up to level 72, with Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode.