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Topic: Xbox Gamertags
started by: Vince

Posted by Vince on Apr. 16 2010,05:08

I did a search but couldn't find it. I thought we had a thread at one point where people were posting their gamertags for Xbox.

Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 16 2010,05:26

que viva pancho

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 16 2010,08:58

Leisher

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 16 2010,09:36

I think it's time I buy an Xbox. I was thinking about buying a cheap used original Xbox, but before I do I figured I should ask y'all: is it worth another $100 to get a 360 instead of the original at this point? I'll probably be buying cheap used games for whichever one I get, and I'm not so much into cutting-edge FPS gaming as much as I am simpler platformers and puzzle games.

Opinions?

Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 16 2010,09:44

I like our XBox 360 cuz of all the media stuff it can do as well as play games. In fact, we 80% use it for media stuff (mp3s, movies/tv shows). Has integrated netflix if you have that.

So I'd say yes. And it has all the indie/xbla games that you can get.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 16 2010,09:50

Yeah. The 360 is worth the extra $100, easy.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 16 2010,09:53

Yep, go with the 360.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 16 2010,10:26

What can the 360 do that the PS3 can't, besides play XBox games?

Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 16 2010,10:56

Cost less.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 16 2010,11:00

PS3 isn't super expensive any more, so don't care. What else?

Posted by WSGrundy on Apr. 16 2010,16:30

(GORDON @ Apr. 16 2010,10:26)

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What can the 360 do that the PS3 can't, besides play XBox games?

Nothing.

Posted by Vince on Apr. 16 2010,16:42

(GORDON @ Apr. 16 2010,12:26)

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What can the 360 do that the PS3 can't, besides play XBox games?

Seemlessly integrates with MS Mediacenter across the network if you use that. One of the thing MS did really well with it.

And it's not Sony which is one of the most evil comapnies in existance.

Posted by Vince on Apr. 16 2010,16:47

(TPRJones @ Apr. 16 2010,11:36)

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here are loads of old school arcade games you can get off the marketplace as well as many of the old original xbox titles for download. You just need to get a 360 w/ a HD.

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 16 2010,18:40

I've got a 360 Pro (20Gig HD) on the way. And I picked up Fallout3, the Sega Genesis Collection, and Dead Rising today. Although I'll probably mostly play the downloadable stuff, it's more my sort of thing. Once I establish my gamertag I'll post it.

Are there any older (i.e. cheap used) games that are a must play that I should try out? What about original Xbox titles, are they compatible?

Posted by WSGrundy on Apr. 16 2010,19:05

go < here > for a list of old Xbox games that work on the 360. Even though it is compatible there can still be some issues like frame rate or sound loss.

Since you mentioned cheaper games I assume you just got Fallout 3 and not the Game of the Year Edition. The Game of the Year comes with all 5 expansion packs. It is still $59 but has been out for a bit and I think the price will be falling soon.

As for older games if you have not play Mass Effect(unless you PC can run it), Knights of the Old Republic, GTA IV, Elder Scrolls Oblivion, Fable I&II. You can play almost all of these on the PC but if you missed them they are cheap on the 360.

A downloadable game called Shadow Complex that jumps between $10-15 is great too.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 18 2010,07:47

(Vince @ Apr. 16 2010,19:42)

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(GORDON @ Apr. 16 2010,12:26)

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What can the 360 do that the PS3 can't, besides play XBox games?

Seemlessly integrates with MS Mediacenter across the network if you use that. One of the thing MS did really well with it.

And it's not Sony which is one of the most evil comapnies in existance.

How good is the Blu Ray playback?

Posted by Vince on Apr. 18 2010,14:00

(GORDON @ Apr. 18 2010,09:47)

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How good is the Blu Ray playback?

Have no need for it. None of my TVs are over 40". Things are moving so rapidly in media downloads, I don't see the blu-ray having much of a shelf life.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 18 2010,14:54

The answer I was fishing for was "XBox360 dos not do blu rays." ;)

And I'll bet you $10 Blu Rays are still being sold 7 years from now.

Posted by Vince on Apr. 18 2010,18:39

(GORDON @ Apr. 18 2010,16:54)

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The answer I was fishing for was "XBox360 dos not do blu rays." ;)

And I'll bet you $10 Blu Rays are still being sold 7 years from now.

Still being sold, or still the prefered media?

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 18 2010,20:01

(Vince @ Apr. 18 2010,21:39)

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(GORDON @ Apr. 18 2010,16:54)

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The answer I was fishing for was "XBox360 dos not do blu rays." ;)

And I'll bet you $10 Blu Rays are still being sold 7 years from now.

Still being sold, or still the prefered media?

Preferred media. THE way to buy movies on physical media. As popular as DVDs were last year.

The lack of broadband competition and the recent passing of "Net Neutrality" means most peeps in this country still won't have high speed internet with which to DL movies any time in the next 5 years.

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 19 2010,06:34

(GORDON @ Apr. 18 2010,22:01)

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Still being sold, or still the prefered media?

Preferred media. THE way to buy movies on physical media. As popular as DVDs were last year.

You are making an assumption here that I believe is incorrect. You are assuming that the preferred media will be a physical one. I will bet you $10 that 7 years from now the preferred way to consume media is completely divorced from physical formats (i.e. downloads or purchased as digital files on a flash drive or just streamed online, etc).

I expect we'll see high-speed access much more widespread by then than you think. Some of the stuff being tested on < Internet2 > is pretty promising and could lead to even crappy old copper being able to sustain a decent enough throughput for video enjoyment.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 19 2010,09:06

I think Internet 2 is a long way off. I think ISPs are going to be allowed to throttle the shit out of media downloads, barring the Second American Revolution (The secret one).

I take your bet.

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 19 2010,09:29

Reminder has been set for Wed 4/19/2017.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 19 2010,10:19

And what are the exact terms? I say BD will be the most popular form of media playback, and you say not?

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 19 2010,11:31

Indeed, I say the most popular will be independent of the physical medium. Probably downloads or streaming on demand, but if wide area high-speed access doesn't come into being as much as I think it will there's also the possibility of media coming on flash drives, or from kiosks where you plug in your own flash drive. Either way I don't see physical distribution of disc-based media still being the primary method within seven years.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 19 2010,11:38

Agreed.

Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 19 2010,11:47

As defined by revenue, or how?

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 19 2010,16:05

I think units would be better than dollars. That'll level the price-point playing field.

I don't know where we'll get the data to select a winner, but hopefully it'll be obvious at the time.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 19 2010,17:12

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I think units would be better than dollars. That'll level the price-point playing field.

You've got to only count units sold as permanent copies. Anything rented shouldn't count.

Even if it's sold on the iPad, but can't be transferred to another device, it shouldn't count.

Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 19 2010,17:24

I would say revenue, and Apple formats would count.

Units is a crap measurement.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 19 2010,17:37

I don't even care. Shelves at Best Buy will still be full of BDs in 7 years.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 19 2010,18:32

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Shelves at Best Buy will still be full of BDs in 7 years.

Hell, they're still mainly DVDs at this point. I expect Blu-Rays will be the majority in 7 years with DVDs consuming an aisle or two.

Want to know a massive obstacle in the way of full on digital distribution? Movies for children.

In turn, parents will be accustomed to buying physical copies of movies. Sure, they'll rent them digitally, buy they'll buy their favorites on a DVD/Blu-Ray.

When you can buy movies digitally and play them on any TV in your house, even when cable service is down, AND transmit them to your mini-van for your family vacation...that's when digital distribution will force physically media to the curb permanently.

Thinking about it, there's also an issue of storage. Hard drive space might be cheap, but consumer electronics, particularly those that would hold said digital movies are WAYYYYYYYYY behind the curve right now. The sad part is the curve isn't that tough to reach.

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 20 2010,03:55

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Anything rented shouldn't count.

I disagree. There's a very good change that this will be the primary way that media is consumed in seven years, which is part of my argument. On-demand downloading and memberships to places like Netflix are part of what will kill Blu-ray.

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Thinking about it, there's also an issue of storage

While I don't think we'l be quite to this point in seven years, in not much longer than that storage won't be a problem. Not because we'll have scads of storage (we will) but because bandwidth will be pervasive, reliable, and dirt cheap. Why store it when you can watch it on-demand through the cloud any time anywhere with connections as unlikely to break down as whatever media player you would have previously owned? But that's about 10 to 12 years away, not 7.

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Shelves at Best Buy will still be full of BDs in 7 years.

Fair enough. I say they either will be out of that business, selling them on flash drives, or hosting kiosks to sell them as digital downloads. If there are still Blu-rays on the shelves of Best Buy in seven years it's because they're marked down for quick sale and they haven't been able to shift them.

Posted by Vince on Apr. 20 2010,04:58

(TheCatt @ Apr. 19 2010,19:24)

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I would say revenue, and Apple formats would count.

Units is a crap measurement.

I agree, especially since there's no way to weed out the copies that are sold to movie rental places.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 20 2010,05:54

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memberships to places like Netflix are part of what will kill Blu-ray.

If Netflix is still renting Blu-Rays, then Best Buy will be selling them on shelves. Ditto for Amazon, Walmart, etc.

One outlet you're forgetting that is a huge player in this is Red Box. One dollar a night rentals and you get them at any gas station, convenience store, etc. They're the fastest growing video rental business, by a mile. Blockbuster is trying to sue them simply because they know if they don't stop them, it's lights out.

So keep in mind that digital distribution has to offset the ease of renting a DVD at your normal stops on the way to work or home daily, AND be in the same price range as $1.

I don't see that happening in 7 years. That model should also destroy the flash drive projection simply due to costs.

It also damages the kiosk plan simply due to cost. That $1 price point is going to be tough to beat.

Will it eventually be beat by more convenience, and potentially price? Of course, but not in the next 7 years.

You're also overlooking the market's slow nature of adapting. How many homes have internet access? Not as many as you think? I believe the number is around 50%. Fewer have broadband. How many homes have Blu-Ray? How many have cable? How many have HD TVs? How many still use VCRs? You've got to account for all those folks. Yes, they will be forced to change at some point, but not in 7 years.

There's also folks like Gordon and I, the collectors. I would argue that we're a very large part of the market. That's why you see so many box sets and extras. Digital distribution wipes us out.

And there's still something to be said for feeling a product in your hands rather than looking at text on a screen.

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Why store it when you can watch it on-demand through the cloud any time anywhere with connections as unlikely to break down as whatever media player you would have previously owned?

Again, can I access my media at any time? From anywhere? Really? So if there's another East Coast blackout and I'm driving from Toledo to Bangor, my van's TV will still be playing Spongebob to entertain my kids?

And "unlikely to break down as whatever media player you would have previously owned"? Really? There's at least one thread bitching about Time Warner's service around here somewhere. You're telling me DVD players break more often than Time Warner goes down?

Oh, and while we're on that subject, how about companies like TW trying to charge based on how much bandwidth your use? Let's say digital downloads are $2.95 a movie through Netflix. $4.95 through TW. (Rental prices.) Why wouldn't TW charge me more for the bandwidth I use when I'm renting from someone other than them?

And again, I point back to that $1 price point of Red Box.

Also, how much to purchase a movie outright so I can watch it whenever I want? Keep in mind that the studios still want their money, so it can't be super cheap. Sure you save money on packaging and shipping, but you add new costs in digital distribution and storage, especially bandwidth.

And what happens when Twilight Part 12 comes out and 40 million women try to access the movie at the same time?

All these issues get resolved in 7 years? I don't buy it.

The technology may exist to make everything you've said possible, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. It doesn't mean the backbone is there to support it. It doesn't mean the market is going to accept it. Etc.

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 20 2010,06:44

(Leisher @ Apr. 20 2010,07:54)

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If Netflix is still renting Blu-Rays, then Best Buy will be selling them on shelves. Ditto for Amazon, Walmart, etc.

They won't be. Blu-ray will be dead (or at least well on the way to dying) by then. Same goes for Redbox: they'll still be doing their thing but in different ways that don't involve Blu-rays or DVDs. Well, except for a few boxes in rural areas maybe, the same areas that still have a few VHS rental stores right now.

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It also damages the kiosk plan simply due to cost. That $1 price point is going to be tough to beat.

Are you saying it's more expensive to build a kiosk that simply copies a digital file to your flash drive than it is to build one that tracks and distributes an inventory of plastic discs?

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How many homes have internet access? Not as many as you think? I believe the number is around 50%. Fewer have broadband. How many homes have Blu-Ray?

According to government stas, about 74% of US citizens have access at home and about 62% of US homes have broadband as of June 2009.* Blu-ray penetration is harder to pin down, but the numbers I see with a google search of the experts seem to average around 25%.

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And "unlikely to break down as whatever media player you would have previously owned"? Really? There's at least one thread bitching about Time Warner's service around here somewhere. You're telling me DVD players break more often than Time Warner goes down?

Not at all. I'm saying in about 10 to 12 years I think that will be the case. Although I'm not sure that Time Warner will still be a major player in that market by then. And I phrased it that way to express that I don't think we'll ever have 100% uptime, but I do think we'll reach the point of 99.999% or better uptime, which is certainly good enough.

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Oh, and while we're on that subject, how about companies like TW trying to charge based on how much bandwidth your use?

I don't think that will last. If they push it, it'll push them out of the market that much faster. The world is changing radically, and companies can either work to find new revenue streams that work in the new world or they can go out of business. Right now they're like agrarians grumbling about the evils of those new-fangled industrialists.

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All these issues get resolved in 7 years?

No. I wish that were so, but it'll be another 15 to 20 years before it all gets resolved. But I do think within seven years enough changes will have gone on to make Blu-ray (and other physically-permanent forms of media distribution) less desirable and well on their way out.

*NOTE: I'm sure you will question this, so here are my sources:
Number of broadband subscriptions: < http://www.internetworldstats.com/am/us.htm >
Number of households: < http://www.census.gov/population/projections/nation/hh-fam/table1n.txt >
Divide one into the other to get the penetration rate. I find the implication that about 8% of homes still use dial-up to be a bit surprising, I thought that would be lower.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 20 2010,12:25

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You need a qualifier here because you're a little all over the map. You have to admit that "will be dead or on the way" is a bit too much wiggle room.

I could easily argue that any technology is on its way to dying the day it hits shelves.

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Are you saying it's more expensive to build a kiosk that simply copies a digital file to your flash drive than it is to build one that tracks and distributes an inventory of plastic discs?

It depends, what is the price point of the movies rented or sold at the kiosk and where are they located?

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According to government stas, about 74% of US citizens have access at home and about 62% of US homes have broadband as of June 2009.*

I've got issue with those numbers, but will accept them as fact for this debate to make things easy. Although, I will say that 74% is still low considering BBs started in the 70s/80s and the net as we know it in the 90s.

Still, this is a heck of a leap you're suggesting in 7 years for 38% of the population.

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Again, you need to really qualify where your position is going to be because it makes it tough to argue if I can't nail you down to something. Obviously you have time lines here that I could jump all over, but can't because I don't know if you mean Blu-Rays will be dead or just dying.

And please understand, if Netflix isn't renting them and Best Buy isn't selling them, I consider them dead, not dying. DVDs are dying, and you can still buy/rent them.

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I'll just say that I truly hope you're 100% right on this point, but I fear that's not how our country works anymore. I mean, show me some examples where the government hasn't completely hindered a true capitalism system from occurring.

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No. I wish that were so, but it'll be another 15 to 20 years before it all gets resolved. But I do think within seven years enough changes will have gone on to make Blu-ray (and other physically-permanent forms of media distribution) less desirable and well on their way out.

Again, completely contrary to your first statement in this post, and impossible to pin you down to a specific position.

I honestly think of the folks who have posted in this thread that everyone knows what's coming, what's going, etc. we're just describing it in different ways, and have slightly different expectations about how soon it will arrive.

The only reason I'm debating against your stance is because I believe you're giving the consumers entirely too much credit, especially in a weak economy. People barely know how to use their DVD players now. They certainly don't know how to use their PCs. How many of the 25% who own Blu-Rays actually plug them into the net?

On top of that, you're ignoring my argument about usage for the children. Movies for kids are why you can buy movies. Remember when VHS tapes were $100 a piece? Someone realized that parents wanted movies for their kids so they could use them to entertain their kids while they did other things. It's still a massive market. I haven't looked, but it's probably the biggest part of home movie sales, although I'm sure geeks are a close second.

Point being, they have to resolve that issue before the next wave can be accepted. If someone can't put on a flick to keep their kid entertained during a flight, car ride, etc., then the public isn't buying it.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 20 2010,12:39

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If someone can't put on a flick to keep their kid entertained during a flight, car ride, etc., then the public isn't buying it.

Could be easily taken care of by a ubiquitous, universal storage device that you can carry around, provided all involved parties play ball. While you might not be able to download anything you want at any time, anything that you do grab will be permanently stored. Download a movie from a service accessed via your TV/internet connection to a portable, external storage device. Sync it up with any third-party device. You can already sort of do that now if you get an mp3 device that hooks up to your music data source (laptop/desktop) that can also plug into your car's radio.

EDIT : Again, whether or not all the involved industries will let this happen painlessly is a matter for debate.

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 20 2010,13:19

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You need a qualifier here because you're a little all over the map. You have to admit that "will be dead or on the way" is a bit too much wiggle room.

By "well on the way" I mean that it may still be used, it may still even be sold, but it won't be the primary for most people. Sort of like VHS was a few years ago, when DVD had it beaten but it was still sort of around but no one would take it seriously anymore.

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It depends, what is the price point of the movies rented or sold at the kiosk and where are they located?

Irrelevant to this point. I'm saying if you can have a kiosk at a location renting out DVD & Blu-ray for $1, you can do the same thing (and probably cheap) with a means of digital distribution kiosk. The kiosk is in the same place and the movies are the same in either case, the only difference is swapping out the mechanics of disc handling with something with a USB port on it.

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Again, you need to really qualify where your position is going to be because it makes it tough to argue if I can't nail you down to something.

Well, I haven't actually been to the future, so I don't know for sure. Ask me again in 10 to 12 years. All I'll commit to for now is the original bet with GORDON.

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DVDs are dying...

I wouldn't go that far yet. They're still the primary means of media consumption, far outselling Blu-ray by something like a factor of 8 to 1. I would agree that they are highly likely to be no longer the primary medium within seven years, though.

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I mean, show me some examples where the government hasn't completely hindered a true capitalism system from occurring.

I wish I could. On the other hand, show me examples where the government was able to stop an important technology from advancing? Once the box is opened and all that.

The most they can do is slow things down a bit. They could sort of stop it, but only here. The rest of the world would keep advancing. In that case eventually it wouldn't matter, either the pressure to have it here too would be too strong to stop or we'd become irrelevant as a nation (given that it's an important enough technology in question, of course).

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...we're just describing it in different ways, and have slightly different expectations about how soon it will arrive.

I agree. I'm much more optimistic about the accelerating tide of progress, but there's no fundamental differences in direction here.

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The only reason I'm debating against your stance is because I believe you're giving the consumers entirely too much credit, especially in a weak economy. People barely know how to use their DVD players now. They certainly don't know how to use their PCs. How many of the 25% who own Blu-Rays actually plug them into the net?

That's actually part of why I think the change will speed up. The newer TVs and media players that handle digital that I've seen are pretty good, and very easy to use. With DVDs and Blu-ray, you have to at least be able to put the disc in right side up. Digital distribution (with the right user-friendly systems which we'll see coming along) aren't nearly that befuddling.

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On top of that, you're ignoring my argument about usage for the children.

This is admittedly something that will be a hurdle in the movement to fully streaming cloud-based systems. Until wifi gets to the point where it's always available everywhere in the country for dirt cheap, there will still be some sort of physical option involved in media distribution. But in terms of digital downloads and point-of-sale kiosks USB flash drives are a better choice. I think within seven years more diaper bags will have a flash drive pouch than have a stack of DVDs/Blu-rays. They're more convenient because you can put several onto one tiny flash drive, which means less stuff to lug around and keep track of.

So, has this thread been totally derailed yet?

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 20 2010,17:32

Back on topic, my gamertag is TPRJones

Big surprise, no?

Posted by Vince on Apr. 20 2010,19:05

I'm with TPR. I think downloading music has become the prefered method of getting music. And I think the reason car stereos now have data ports for their MP3 players is because people prefer having one place to go to get their music. And I think people will prefer to have one place to get their video.

I'm Vince, and my tag is vince66mphs

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 20 2010,20:24

At least music has gotten smarter with the DRM... mp3 is becoming a standard format, so things ARE cross platform.

Movies haven't even begun to embrace "user friendly." Quite the opposite.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 20 2010,20:51

When Netflix includes my library of DVDs in its streaming catalog, that will be my prefered method of watching movies. I'm constantly ripping and converting movies so they can be played on things other than my DVD player.

Hard copies of stuff will be around forever. Did you know they still hand out phone books to everyone? But the prefered method will be digital. The CD shelves at Best Buy have not shrunk (that I noticed anyway) over the years, but I can't tell you the last time we've bought a CD. The last physical song we've bought was an album on a micro-SD card. It even had the little tiny album cover art on it. That was copied into the MP3 library and put in a drawer.

Half of the movies watched at our house are soft copies. Granted, I'm just one person. But, it's VERY convenient (once they've been ripped/converted).

Posted by Vince on Apr. 21 2010,05:15

(GORDON @ Apr. 20 2010,22:24)

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At least music has gotten smarter with the DRM... mp3 is becoming a standard format, so things ARE cross platform.

Movies haven't even begun to embrace "user friendly." Quite the opposite.

But they only recently decided to allow Apple (and others) to distibute via MP3. Kind of a catch 22 there. They only agreed because Apple got big enough to demand it.

Speaking of DRM, did they ever start releasing updates for your Blu-ray player again, or are you just using you PS3 for them?

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 21 2010,06:08

1. Yeah, I hated to admit Apple got the mp3 ball rolling across the industry.

2. Fuck Samsung, I stopped waiting and now just use the PS3. As it is Sony, and they invented the format, it will always be updated.

Also it loads BDs in about 4 seconds, which has to be a record for all players.

Very, very happy with the PS3. Was worth it even when it was $450.

Posted by Vince on Apr. 23 2010,04:44

(GORDON @ Apr. 21 2010,08:08)

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1. Yeah, I hated to admit Apple got the mp3 ball rolling across the industry.

Agreed, brother. Agreed.

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2. Fuck Samsung, I stopped waiting and now just use the PS3. As it is Sony, and they invented the format, it will always be updated.

So in order to play the latest Blu-ray disks, you pretty much need an internet connection?

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 23 2010,04:59

(Vince @ Apr. 23 2010,07:44)

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2. Fuck Samsung, I stopped waiting and now just use the PS3. As it is Sony, and they invented the format, it will always be updated.

So in order to play the latest Blu-ray disks, you pretty much need an internet connection?

If you don't have internet somewhere in the house, you need to have update disks shipped from Samsung (or whatever manufacturer you have).

Posted by Vince on Apr. 25 2010,06:30

I was thinking about that and Leisher's issue of not everyone having an Internet connection.

Posted by WSGrundy on Apr. 25 2010,12:30

(Vince @ Apr. 25 2010,06:30)

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I was thinking about that and Leisher's issue of not everyone having an Internet connection.

Didn't read the whole tread so this could have been brought up but I tend to lean towards gordons position just because when we had the digital TV crossover I would think to myself "Who in hell is still using rabbit ears and would be affected by this?". Then I would walk into best buy or walmart and there is a giant stack of digital converter boxes and people swarmed all around them.

Last year I drove past a video store that was still renting VHS.

There is just this giant chunk of the population who to me seems to be living in the stone age and too many will still be around to make TPRJones prediction come true.

I do think it will be common enough that downloading and digital version will seem like common place to those on this board but I don't know about the nation as a whole.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 25 2010,14:22

Thing is, we are talking 'prefered', not total domination. As long as 51% of the nation is going soft copy instead of hard copy, then, it's prefered.