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Forum: Internet Links Topic: "Ask not what your country can do for you..." started by: GORDON Posted by GORDON on Sep. 02 2009,13:53
"Ask what you can do to help your President."< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....tudents > QUOTE A suggested lesson plan that calls on school kids to write letters to themselves about what they can do to help President Obama is troubling some education experts, who say it establishes the president as a "superintendent in chief" and may indoctrinate children to support him politically.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 02 2009,14:17
QUOTE Students in grades pre-K-6, for example, are encouraged to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals." QUOTE For grades 7-12, the Department of Education suggests teachers prepare by excerpting quotes from Obama's speeches on education for their students to contemplate -- and ask as questions such as "Why does President Obama want to speak with us today? How will he inspire us? How will he challenge us?" I suppose paying for all the shit he's promising would be challenging. QUOTE During the speech, "teachers can ask students to write down key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful." QUOTE Activities suggested for after the speech include asking students "what resonated with you from President Obama's speech? What lines/phrase do you remember?" What the fuck? That reads like a marketing survey. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 02 2009,14:58
To repeat myself, can you imagine the crap that would be said if fascist Bush had done this?
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 02 2009,17:12
It's already been thrown down the memory hole. I guess they realized it was too obvious.< http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post....DFjMjg= > Posted by GORDON on Sep. 02 2009,17:16
Peeps talking about keeping their kids home that day.< http://hotair.com/archive....-speech > I can see the point... but... he is the President, and I think it sends a wrong message. I'd more likely send my kid to school, and deprogram him later. If he is only exposed to one side of issues he will never learn to recognize bullshit. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 02 2009,17:43
I'd prep him w\ some annoying questions. I'd love to see some CNN footage of the Secret Service having to escort an 8-year old from the premises.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 02 2009,17:47
"How can I help the Obama Presidency?" "I would give him a copy of the Constitution, and an essay about the limited authority of the federal government." Alternatively: "I plan on being Obama's eyes and ears, and I have a list of people already who don't like Him to be given to His death troops for reeducation." Posted by GORDON on Sep. 03 2009,11:27
Leftie video distributed to public schools.QUOTE "I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama," < http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13249171?_requestid=5883011 > Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 03 2009,12:16
One of the creepiest things I've ever seen.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 04 2009,07:54
The Michael Strahan comment in the video was interesting and I agree with it 100%. "I pledge to consider myself an American, and not an African-American." People need to drop that "random ethnicity-American" crap. You either live here or you don't. Next people will call themselves "LA-New Yorkers" or something equally ridiculous. Anyway, considering all this propaganda and socialism coming out of Obama's administration, I think a very, very appropriate response would be people giving him the Nazi salute whenever he makes a public appearance. That'd ruffle some feathers. Update: I just got to the "Green" horseshit in the video. Cameron Diaz says: "So we can be on this planet forever." My favorite part is when they talk about ending slavery in the next 5 years. Meanwhile, they're supporting a party that is enslaving the entire country through policies that make them all dependent upon the government. Plus, right after they talk about ending slavery, Demi Moore says, "I pledge to be a servant to our president." Is this what it was like to live in Germany when Hitler was coming into power? Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 04 2009,11:27
(Leisher @ Sep. 04 2009,09:54) QUOTE Is this what it was like to live in Germany when Hitler was coming into power? Uh, no. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 04 2009,11:56
(Malcolm @ Sep. 04 2009,14:27) QUOTE (Leisher @ Sep. 04 2009,09:54) QUOTE Is this what it was like to live in Germany when Hitler was coming into power? Uh, no. Want to explain that "Uh, no."? I said "coming into power", not when he was leading the country. This is long before the genocide and war. I'm not saying Obama = Hitler despite the fact that they have FAR more in common than Bush and Hitler. I'm just pointing out how both were local politicians who more accidentally found themselves on the national stage than anything else. Both are socialists. Both believed they were doing the right thing. Both had the support of the media. Both had the support of the left. Both had the support of powerful citizens. Both are extremely characteristic leaders. Both pushed policies to ensure support from the masses. Etc. If you listen to Germans who happened to not be in the Nazi party during WWII, they talk about how the country had lost its fucking mind. Common sense was out the window. Government spending was out of control. Propaganda filled the streets and airwaves. So again, while I don't think Obama is planning on invading Poland, I do think our country's current political climate is closer to that of Germany pre-WWII than say China's current government. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 04 2009,12:05
I often see parallels to Stalin with the current administration, especially with this "get them while they're young" school-kid plan.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 04 2009,12:45
There's no way, no way in hell you can compare post-WWI Germany (which is what really gave Adolf the opportunity to pull off his insane vision) to the times & environment which allowed B. Rock's rather meteoric shot to the White House.When we start needing dumptrucks full of dollar bills to buy a loaf of bread, or when the other nations of Europe are extorting you in a giant international legalized protection racket, or when we're NOT the #1 superpower in the world ... maybe when that shit happens, we'll start talking. & Hitler was billions of times more charismatic than B. Rock. So, no, I don't think this is what it was like being in Germany when Hitler was cutting his teeth. Unless you'd care to make the argument that B. Rock's just replacing "Jew" w\ "Republican." After WWI, Germany was in fucking shambles. We ain't within 1000 miles of a preview of "shambles" 'round here yet. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 04 2009,12:47
(GORDON @ Sep. 04 2009,14:05) QUOTE I often see parallels to Stalin with the current administration, especially with this "get them while they're young" school-kid plan. I'd hear an argument for this. Fortunately, the admin's competency for utilizing new media to increase their popularity ranks right up there w\ their expertise in economic matters. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 04 2009,13:39
QUOTE There's no way, no way in hell you can compare post-WWI Germany (which is what really gave Adolf the opportunity to pull off his insane vision) to the times & environment which allowed B. Rock's rather meteoric shot to the White House. Actually, considering the large number of similarities I did list, I'd say my point was reached. QUOTE When we start needing dumptrucks full of dollar bills to buy a loaf of bread, or when the other nations of Europe are extorting you in a giant international legalized protection racket, or when we're NOT the #1 superpower in the world ... maybe when that shit happens, we'll start talking. It's my mistake to not specify what I was talking about. I wasn't trying to compare economic situations, or our status in the world versus Germany's at that time, etc. I was simply comparing the men and their tactics (or those around them, as I'm sure could be argued). QUOTE & Hitler was billions of times more charismatic than B. Rock. I agree with you here 100%, but keep in mind, this isn't just B Rock's show. The MSM is all about pimping him. Combine that with how they made the last 8 years seem like hell on Earth, and you've got a public who sees him as a savior despite his flawed personality. Example: Demi Moore made a promotional video in which she says "I pledge to be a servant to Barrack Obama." in the same breath that she's blasting slavery! Fucking insanity! QUOTE So, no, I don't think this is what it was like being in Germany when Hitler was cutting his teeth. Unless you'd care to make the argument that B. Rock's just replacing "Jew" w\ "Republican." After WWI, Germany was in fucking shambles. We ain't within 1000 miles of a preview of "shambles" 'round here yet. Honestly, I didn't think Bush was trying to build an empire and I do not think B Rock is going to build concentration camps. I genuinely think both men were/are doing what they felt was/is right. In B Rock's case, I just think he's young, inexperienced, and quite frankly, ignorant of reality. So no, I don't think B Rock is trying to make Republicans into the Jews of Germany, although don't you think his lists of "enemies", report your neighbor hotlines, and brown shirt ideas are at least unsettling? Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 04 2009,14:30
QUOTE Actually, considering the large number of similarities I did list, I'd say my point was reached. There's a shitload of similarities between Earth & Mars. Still a pretty big damned difference. QUOTE I genuinely think both men were/are doing what they felt was/is right. In B Rock's case, I just think he's young, inexperienced, and quite frankly, ignorant of reality. Every misguided leader in history falls into this category as well. Idi Amin thought he was doing good, too. I'm sure Napoleon thought his new order would bring peace & stability to the world (while simultaneously making himself god of it). Hell, Alexander the Great thought this way, too. The "young, inexperienced" part has little to do w\ the "ignorant of reality" part. You can be old, seasoned, & still dumb as a fucking post (when it comes to leading those around you). QUOTE ...although don't you think his lists of "enemies", report your neighbor hotlines, and brown shirt ideas are at least unsettling? Not as unsettling as his foreign & economic policies. I've still not noticed a huge change in the social/domestic situation in this country. There aren't roving bands of renegade donkeys jumping pachyderms in dark alleys at 2am. Posted by Cakedaddy on Sep. 08 2009,09:49
(GORDON @ Sep. 02 2009,07:58) QUOTE To repeat myself, can you imagine the crap that would be said if fascist Bush had done this? Turns out he did. Well, one of them did. The first Bush pres asked school kids to send him a letter explaining how they can help with issues of the time. I've heard it play over and over at the airport this morning. They may be taking it out of context because they only play the sentence where he asks for the letter. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 08 2009,09:53
Is there a difference between asking kids how they can help with the issues of the time, and asking kids how they can help President Obama?"I would help my President Obama by killing my parents if they aren't going to vote for him in 2012" but then the letter 's' is backwards as to be really cute. Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 08 2009,11:02
I think it was probably overblown, but hell, everything is these days.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 08 2009,15:27
(Cakedaddy @ Sep. 08 2009,12:49) QUOTE (GORDON @ Sep. 02 2009,07:58) QUOTE To repeat myself, can you imagine the crap that would be said if fascist Bush had done this? Turns out he did. Well, one of them did. The first Bush pres asked school kids to send him a letter explaining how they can help with issues of the time. I've heard it play over and over at the airport this morning. They may be taking it out of context because they only play the sentence where he asks for the letter. And when Bush did it, Democrats "investigated" and "held hearings." < http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion....47.html > QUOTE Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'" But ignore all that... anything Obama does is Right and Just. The most extreme response I've seen from the right regarding Obama's thing is, "I'm keeping my kid out of school that day." Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 08 2009,16:20
I stand corrected, everything was overblown then too.
Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 08 2009,16:47
Everything has always been overblown. Well, at least since people started to have free time to be outraged about silly things instead of scraping to keep their family alive.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 08 2009,16:47
Yeah, but Gephardt's still an asshole.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 08 2009,16:56
I still roll my eyes at the idea anyone thinks "education" can be fixed by the President and/or throwing more money at schools.But I still don't want scumbag politicians talking to my kids, ever. And I've decided I don't want school administrators < deciding that my kids will be exposed to it, and will shut up and listen. > "You're there, and you're silent." Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 08 2009,17:21
This is insane:QUOTE Said one parent in an e-mail to Broward School Board member Stephanie Kraft: "I will not tolerate my children being brainwashed by this man." Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer on Wednesday criticized what he called Obama's plan to "indoctrinate America's children to his socialist agenda." QUOTE In his opinion, Notter said in an interview, having childen listen to the country's elected leader "is some of the purest of civics education." Letting them choose whether to not to attend would set a bad precedent, Notter said. He compared it to students who might object to saying the Pledge of Allegiance. Actually, Notter, let's talk about the latter. You can force people to be there, since it's school, but hell if you can force them to recite that. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 08 2009,17:35
QUOTE Broward Schools Superintendent James Notter wrote in a memo to principals Thursday that students will not be allowed to opt out of viewing Obama's address. The district has encouraged civics education through programs such as Kids Voting Broward and by watching presidential inaugural addresses, Notter wrote, so letting students skip Obama's speech "does not align with our practices and responsibility to provide a well-rounded, quality education for all students." Yeah, nothing's well-rounded like zero tolerance for dissent. QUOTE Letting them choose whether to not to attend would set a bad precedent, Notter said. He compared it to students who might object to saying the Pledge of Allegiance. You can't, just can't be comparing his (thinly veiled) pandering to the Pledge of Allegiance. Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 13 2009,08:15
< tl;dr >
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 13 2009,08:23
(TPRJones @ Sep. 13 2009,11:15) QUOTE < tl;dr > tl; dr Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 13 2009,10:46
QUOTE If you get in trouble, that doesn’t mean you’re a troublemaker, it means you need to try harder to behave. If you get a bad grade, that doesn’t mean you’re stupid, it just means you need to spend more time studying. Yes, it might, you dumb-ass motherfucker. So there's no connection at all between what you do & who you are? You just aren't "trying." Hello, Neville Chamberlain. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 16 2009,07:58
His address to students was scrubbed after the uproar.< http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn....topnews > QUOTE When critics lashed out at President Obama for scheduling a speech to public school students this month, accusing him of wanting to indoctrinate children to his politics, his advisers quickly scrubbed his planned comments for potentially problematic wording. They then reached out to progressive Web sites such as the Huffington Post, liberal bloggers and Democratic pundits to make their case to a friendly audience.
Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 16 2009,11:19
I wonder what it said originally.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 16 2009,13:40
(TheCatt @ Sep. 16 2009,13:19) QUOTE I wonder what it said originally. "Who is the boss of you? ME! I am the boss of you! I am the boss of you!" |