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Forum: Internet Links Topic: What's wrong with America? started by: TheCatt Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 04 2009,19:23
< People like this. >It's a series about people who traded in (or tried to trade in) their cars in the cash for clunkers program: QUOTE I thought my trusty, rusty ride was a sure bet to qualify. But my Buick gets 19 miles per gallon, just missing the 18 m.p.g. cutoff to count as a clunker. I feel cheated; it doesn't seem like a very inclusive program. I am in the market for a car, and I was shut out.
I know they want to get the big gas guzzlers off the road, but it's unfair that a 3-year-old Hummer gets the trade-in while a 26-year-old car doesn't qualify. A lot more vehicles should be included, and the program should consider other elements -- like steady employment. It's just frustrating. I volunteered for President Obama at the phone banks. I got my transparency, but I don't particularly like what I see. Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 04 2009,19:32
He does have one point: a three year old Hummer is not a clunker. This program wasn't about clunkers at all, it was about turning in your non-PC car for a hybrid.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 05 2009,14:45
If you volunteered at any of the phone banks for a major political candidate, chances are you're a tool.Give your time away to those who tax you every other minute of the day. Posted by Troy on Aug. 05 2009,18:45
Wait, what idiot would accept $4500 for a three year old hummer worth 20-30k?I'm confused. Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 05 2009,21:25
I thought it was an additional $4500 on top of whatever the trade-in was.
Posted by Troy on Aug. 06 2009,06:13
No.It is a flat 4500 for a "clunker". Which is a vehicle that is not older than 25 years, and gets a combined MPG of less than 18. You also have to trade the car in for one that gets at least 25? or so mpg. Trading in a 3 year old hummer would be pretty dumb. Mostly we're seeing shittastic ford explorers getting traded in, you know, the car that kicked off the "crappy SUV phase" in American driving. I like this program, myself. Of all the stimulus packages/plans so far, this one is actually helping exatly who It should be helping. Also, people are buying domestic, and Ford, who weathered the storm, is seeing a good upkick in sales, according to the news. (New Ford focuses are the #1 cash for clunkers rebate car) Posted by Leisher on Aug. 06 2009,06:56
QUOTE Also, people are buying domestic Your comments about Ford are accurate, but this one isn't 100% accurate. Of the top ten cars being purchased in the clunker program, only 3-4 are American cars. Granted, the other foreign cars were probably built here, so the line of "Buy American" blurs a bit. Posted by Troy on Aug. 06 2009,07:04
Well, buying domestic more than I thought they would (is it 50%?).If I were doing this myself, I might have reservations about trading in a piece of crap for another car made by same company that made my piece of crap. I sure as hell didn't buy a Nissan last month, after all the shit I went through with the Xterra. Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 06 2009,11:33
Oh! So you can get a car from some company other than those bailed out? I just assumed it was limited to them, so I didn't even look into this at all.I've been wanting to get a Smart car, maybe now is the time. Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 06 2009,14:07
No, that type of restriction would have made it a WTO violation.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 06 2009,18:49
(Troy @ Aug. 06 2009,09:13) QUOTE I like this program, myself. Of all the stimulus packages/plans so far, this one is actually helping exatly who It should be helping. Also, people are buying domestic, and Ford, who weathered the storm, is seeing a good upkick in sales, according to the news. (New Ford focuses are the #1 cash for clunkers rebate car) So you are happy you are pitching in some cash for your neighbor to buy a new car? Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 06 2009,19:07
May as well JUST WRITE CHECKS TO EVERYONE.Or, you know, cut taxes. Posted by Troy on Aug. 07 2009,06:07
(GORDON @ Aug. 06 2009,18:49) QUOTE (Troy @ Aug. 06 2009,09:13) QUOTE I like this program, myself. Of all the stimulus packages/plans so far, this one is actually helping exatly who It should be helping. Also, people are buying domestic, and Ford, who weathered the storm, is seeing a good upkick in sales, according to the news. (New Ford focuses are the #1 cash for clunkers rebate car) So you are happy you are pitching in some cash for your neighbor to buy a new car? I like it much, much more than paying for some well connected banker who despite running his bank, and the economy into the ground, still receives a huge bonus that really doesn't help anyone. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 07 2009,06:59
One of the things that really confused me about this clunker program is why they didn't limit what you could buy. The government very recently spent billions bailing out two of the three American auto companies. Wouldn't it have been smart to stipulate that you must buy an American car if you want the cash from this program? Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 07 2009,07:04
(Leisher @ Aug. 07 2009,9:59) QUOTE Wouldn't it have been smart to stipulate that you must buy an American car if you want the cash from this program? (TheCatt @ Aug. 06 2009,17:07) QUOTE No, that type of restriction would have made it a WTO violation.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 07 2009,07:06
Then how about increasing the taxes on the foreign cars enough to offset the clunker program payouts? Essentially, the same way those foreign countries tax our cars. Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 07 2009,07:08
< People are buying more trucks, not quite like the government reported. >QUOTE What are people trading their clunkers in for? It depends on who you ask.
The government's results showed small cars as the top choice for shoppers looking for Cash for Clunker deals. But an independent analysis by Edmunds.com disputed those results, and showed that two full-size trucks and a small crossover SUV were actually among the top-ten buys. The discrepancy is a result of the methods used. Edmunds.com uses traditional sales measurements, tallying sales by make and model. The government uses a more arcane measurement method that subdivides models according to engine and transmission types, counting them as separate models. For example, the Ford Escape is available in six different versions including two- and four-wheel drive and hybrid versions. The government counts each version as a different vehicle using guidelines from the Environmental Protection Agency. Only the front wheel drive, non-hybrid version made the government's top ten list. The Ford Escape crossover SUV, instead of being the seventh-most popular vehicle under the program, as the government ranked it, was actually the best seller, according to Edmunds.com. Posted by Mommy Dearest on Aug. 07 2009,07:27
(Leisher @ Aug. 07 2009,10:06) QUOTE Then how about increasing the taxes on the foreign cars enough to offset the clunker program payouts? Essentially, the same way those foreign countries tax our cars. Those companies are taxed on the profits from usa. Just like our companies Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 07 2009,07:37
(Leisher @ Aug. 07 2009,10:06) QUOTE Then how about increasing the taxes on the foreign cars enough to offset the clunker program payouts? Same issue. Posted by Troy on Aug. 07 2009,09:03
I have no idea why someone would buy a Jeep Patriot.Are people hedonistic or something? Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 07 2009,09:53
(Troy @ Aug. 07 2009,12:03) QUOTE I have no idea why someone would buy a Jeep Patriot. Are people hedonistic or something? Are you sure that's the word you meant? Posted by Troy on Aug. 07 2009,10:26
Hahah.. oops."masochist" Posted by GORDON on Aug. 07 2009,18:30
(Troy @ Aug. 07 2009,09:07) QUOTE (GORDON @ Aug. 06 2009,18:49) QUOTE (Troy @ Aug. 06 2009,09:13) QUOTE I like this program, myself. Of all the stimulus packages/plans so far, this one is actually helping exatly who It should be helping. Also, people are buying domestic, and Ford, who weathered the storm, is seeing a good upkick in sales, according to the news. (New Ford focuses are the #1 cash for clunkers rebate car) So you are happy you are pitching in some cash for your neighbor to buy a new car? I like it much, much more than paying for some well connected banker who despite running his bank, and the economy into the ground, still receives a huge bonus that really doesn't help anyone. I don't see how these two things are related. One thing is a company that signed a contract to pay a guy no matter what. The other is you pitching in some cash so your neighbor can buy a new car. Posted by Mommy Dearest on Aug. 07 2009,20:19
(GORDON @ Aug. 07 2009,21:30) QUOTE (Troy @ Aug. 07 2009,09:07) QUOTE (GORDON @ Aug. 06 2009,18:49) QUOTE (Troy @ Aug. 06 2009,09:13) QUOTE I like this program, myself. Of all the stimulus packages/plans so far, this one is actually helping exatly who It should be helping. Also, people are buying domestic, and Ford, who weathered the storm, is seeing a good upkick in sales, according to the news. (New Ford focuses are the #1 cash for clunkers rebate car) So you are happy you are pitching in some cash for your neighbor to buy a new car? I like it much, much more than paying for some well connected banker who despite running his bank, and the economy into the ground, still receives a huge bonus that really doesn't help anyone. I don't see how these two things are related. One thing is a company that signed a contract to pay a guy no matter what. The other is you pitching in some cash so your neighbor can buy a new car. But no matter what contracts have nothing to do with Govt money. Let him sue the bank Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 08 2009,06:26
The bank would lose, and just waste money.Seriously, the bank has no reason to do that, it's just dumb. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 17 2009,11:03
The government is already screwing up this program.< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....estnews > So they can't handle hundreds of thousands of claims for this program without sucking.... I can't wait until they are getting millions of health care forms a month. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 17 2009,12:12
That's the beautiful part. The dealers are betting that the gov't will pay out. As of right now, they're all taking $4,500 hits on prices, assuming that there'll be some point in the future Diamond Joe Quimby hands out those mad, m4d duckets.
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 17 2009,14:59
I wonder just how much of a preview for health care this is. I could easily see someone needing, say, a kidney transplant being "rejected for minor oversight."
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 21 2009,10:52
Dealerships are pulling out of Cash for Clunkers because the feds aren't paying the cash.< http://www.krqe.com/dpp....8200033 > edit - you should see the Farkers in their feedback thread slamming the dealerships and defending the government... lot of loyalists around, these days. Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 21 2009,11:14
Doesn't matter, ends Monday.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 21 2009,11:50
Wonder how long it'll take to disperse funds.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 21 2009,12:21
(TheCatt @ Aug. 21 2009,14:14) QUOTE Doesn't matter, ends Monday. I'm sure the dealerships will be glad to hear that it doesn't matter. Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 21 2009,13:05
Yeah, especially those that accepted hundreds of these and are deep in the hole in they don't get paid. Won't matter to them at all.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 29 2009,12:54
The program cost taxpayers $24k per car.< http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/autos/clunkers_analysis/index.htm > I am honestly to the point where if massive loads of cash is going to be redistributed into the "economy" anyway, just give tens of thousands each to individual people. Stop filtering it through banks and other entities who keep a huge cut due to "overhead" or whatever the excuse is. I know it is a radical suggestion, but I think I could probably spend money in a more efficient manner than the government can. So give me lots and watch the economy around me improve. Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 29 2009,14:49
And don't forget the extension of the housing credit coming up - fuckers.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 03 2015,08:05
(GORDON @ Aug. 17 2009,14:03) QUOTE The government is already screwing up this program. < http://www.foxnews.com/politic....estnews > So they can't handle hundreds of thousands of claims for this program without sucking.... I can't wait until they are getting millions of health care forms a month. Boy this was a prescient statement. Posted by Troy on Jun. 03 2015,08:49
It's good, but it's not Family Guy / Bruce Jenner good.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 03 2015,09:37
I have a hard-left aunt who signs people up for Obamacare on a volunteer basis. She says the program is perfect and there have never been problems and it truly is god-tier government at work.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 03 2015,11:37
That aunt is a moron who has her head firmly buried in the sand. That sand being the unwavering belief that everything she agrees with is infallible.
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