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Posted by GORDON on Oct. 15 2008,17:25

Organized election fraud, state by state.

< http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008....l-fraud >

Stealing the election.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 20 2008,10:17

Not sure if anyone else saw it, but Yahoo ran an opinion piece as front page news all weekend claiming the ACORN scandal is more political posturing by the Republicans than actual voter fraud.

Seriously.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 20 2008,10:22

Well, if it is true that the fraudulent registrations were indeed entirely the acts of people who just wanted money ($X/registration), and that none of those registrations vote, then maybe they have a point.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 20 2008,10:28

I absolutely agree, but the past two presidential elections proved that it's not just about cash. Voter fraud was seen throughout the nation during both presidential elections, and the majority usually went towards one party's candidates.

Hell, in Florida in 2000 the Dems actually fought in court to exclude overseas military votes and include the 583 convicted felons who were somehow able to vote.

Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 20 2008,10:39

Write this down: I predict that IF McCain wins (I know it's a big if), THEN the Democrats will accuse the Republicans of voter fraud. Which will just be so funny, except not.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 20 2008,12:26

I'm still waiting for the legal anvil to fall on someone's head.

Posted by Vince on Oct. 20 2008,15:25

(TheCatt @ Oct. 20 2008,10:22)

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I could go with that if we were talking about a couple of isolated incidents. But what's the count up to now? Something like 22 states they're looking at? When almost half the states are having voter registration issues, we're talking about more than just problems with individuals screwing with the system. There's an environment that's encouraging it at some level.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 20 2008,18:14

Well, I have to figure that at the rates they were paying, they prolly aren't getting the cream of the crop. It is part-time work. I have to figure they got the same type of people that we hired when I worked as an asst mgr of a call center. Not the brightest, and not the most motivated. There were flaws with every single survey we ever did because of these people.

ACORN has said they could not throw away the blatantly invalid ones due to voter registration laws. That sounds entirely plausible to me. I can see laws that would have that effect. Rather than allow people run voter registration drives, then pick and choose which registrations to submit, require people to submit them all.

ACORN claims 1.3 million registered voters, with 13,000 workers. They say <1% of the registrations were crap. I can't find any numbers that say otherwise, nor how many states are being looked at. It's not going to be hard for me to believe that 130 (1%) to 390 (3%) of the workers were crap, especially given the wages/nature of the work.

Am I saying ACORN is innocent? No. But I have yet to see any proof that they are guilty of something other than hiring some crappy people, which happens to all kinds of companies.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 20 2008,18:27

I really fail to see the necessity of 'voter registration drives' when registering and voting is actually one of the easiest things to do , where the government is involved. As far as I am concerned. So this tells me these groups have their agendas beyond just registering people who are disenfranchised merely out of laziness and stupidity.

Posted by Vince on Oct. 20 2008,19:33

(TheCatt @ Oct. 20 2008,18:14)

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ACORN has said they could not throw away the blatantly invalid ones due to voter registration laws. That sounds entirely plausible to me. I can see laws that would have that effect. Rather than allow people run voter registration drives, then pick and choose which registrations to submit, require people to submit them all.

I'd be curious to see if they fired the guy that brought in Mickey Mouse's registration before the media got a hold of it. If not, then guilty.

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 20 2008,20:29

From what I understand ACORN are the ones that told the election officials "this stack here, these are bad, unless you really think Mickey Mouse lives in Resida" long ago, but the election officials weren't interested in hearing it. Then several months later is when the media picks up on it and the officials act surprised and offended.

I don't know about everywhere, but from my experiences in New Mexico and Texas that chain of events is consistent both with the election laws and the beauracricies that run them.

Posted by Vince on Oct. 20 2008,22:12

Well, whenever there's something that generally sucks for this country in the last few months, ACRON seems to be in the middle of it. Voter fraud, subprime mortgages, etc.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 21 2008,04:59

(GORDON @ Oct. 20 2008,21:27)

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I'm not saying they don't have an agenda at all. I believe they are registering voters that they think will vote in line with their beliefs. I just have yet to see that they knowingly tried to falsify registration data.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 21 2008,16:26

Free pizza if you steal a McCain sign.

< http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/myfox....=3.11.1 >

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 21 2008,17:35

I'm in.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 21 2008,17:36

I'm not voting against Obama. I'm voting against people who do shit like that in support of Obama.

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 21 2008,18:12

I've finally decided to vote Bob Barr.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 21 2008,19:37

The funny part about the pizza thing is that it makes McCain more of a headline than their preferred candidate.

Oh, and let's not forget that it's another example of the left side of politics' love for the freedom of speech.

Posted by Vince on Oct. 21 2008,19:46

(Leisher @ Oct. 21 2008,19:37)

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Hell, the socialist fucktards are raising hell because of some reporter's imaginary friends yelling "Kill him" about Obama at a McCain rally, yet all the assaults and destruction of property are overwhelmingly coming from the "Hope and Change" crowd. But McCain's the negative and hateful one.

I think the world's insane.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 23 2008,05:12

< ACORN worker filed 2,000 fake registrations. >

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"I regret it. I paid the price for it," he said.

Mitchell was convicted last year and spent nearly three months in prison. He's one of the few ACORN workers convicted of voter registration fraud.

Today, he lives with his wife and two boys, ages 3 and 1, in a small apartment in suburban Seattle, Washington. Mitchell said he scammed the system because, "I needed money; I had to support my family and I was new to the area. It was the only job I had."

Mitchell said ACORN threatened to close the office if he and his team didn't meet their quota to register 13 to 20 voters a day. So, without consulting their supervisors, he said, they came up with a plan.

"We came up with the idea: Let's make fraudulent cards. I tell my crew, 'I don't care how you get 'em, just get 'em,' " Mitchell recalled.

So ACORN does pay by the hour apparently, but has registration quotas.

Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 23 2008,06:09

I smell fall guy.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 23 2008,10:25

(thibodeaux @ Oct. 23 2008,08:09)

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I smell fall guy.

Yeah, but sometimes the dudes in charge of shit are insulated from the illegalities enough so that the patsy's all you get.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 23 2008,10:27

(Malcolm @ Oct. 23 2008,11:25)

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(thibodeaux @ Oct. 23 2008,08:09)

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I smell fall guy.

Yeah, but sometimes the dudes in charge of shit are insulated from the illegalities enough so that the patsy's all you get.

Just like Enron.

The captain is responsible for everything that happens on the ship. Everyone in charge of ACORN should be up on charges right now.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 23 2008,10:28

(GORDON @ Oct. 23 2008,12:27)

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(Malcolm @ Oct. 23 2008,11:25)

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(thibodeaux @ Oct. 23 2008,08:09)

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I smell fall guy.

Yeah, but sometimes the dudes in charge of shit are insulated from the illegalities enough so that the patsy's all you get.

Just like Enron.

The captain is responsible for everything that happens on the ship. Everyone in charge of ACORN should be up on charges right now.

Not according to the legal system. You need direct, concrete evidence. & if that dude just said he did everything, then it sounds like he's taking the hit.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 23 2008,10:45

(GORDON @ Oct. 23 2008,13:27)

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The captain is responsible for everything that happens on the ship. Everyone in charge of ACORN should be up on charges right now.

That's absolute crap. There's no way people can know what every other person is doing with all the people in a company.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 23 2008,11:08

If anyone wants to come from anywhere in the world to vote in Ohio, apparently that's ok, now.

Or something.

< http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live....sid=101 >

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Elections officials cannot challenge voters on Election Day or reject absentee ballots based solely on discrepancies from verifying new voter registrations, Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said yesterday in directives to counties.

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 23 2008,11:12

(TheCatt @ Oct. 23 2008,08:45)

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(GORDON @ Oct. 23 2008,13:27)

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The captain is responsible for everything that happens on the ship. Everyone in charge of ACORN should be up on charges right now.

That's absolute crap. There's no way people can know what every other person is doing with all the people in a company.

Relatedly, for America II I would like to propose that liability for the actions of a company should be shared among it's owners. If it's a sole proprietership, then those owners pay any fines or do jail time if required by the courts. If it's a publically traded company then any fines or jail sentances is split up on a per share basis.

Sure this means that investors are exposed to liability where they are not now. But on the other hand if this is the way things were done you'd have companies tripping over themselves to be as proper and ethical as possible so as to court investors. Rumors of impropriety would be as bad for their bottom line as rumors of a bad quarter's profits.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 23 2008,11:39

Interesting idea.

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 23 2008,11:49

Of course at umpteen million shares on the market, the average investor caught up in something like this would see a jail sentance on the close order of a couple of minutes. So middle-class investors wouldn't really be effected, just the big money. But it might still make a difference.

Especially when you've got CEOs who are given their bonuses in blocks of company shares.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 23 2008,12:35

(GORDON @ Oct. 23 2008,14:08)

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If anyone wants to come from anywhere in the world to vote in Ohio, apparently that's ok, now.

Or something.

< http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live....sid=101 >

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This woman is single handedly trying to make it impossible for Ohio to have a fair election. She's already been ruled against by the Ohio Supreme Court for violating the law.

I just don't understand how people can see shit like this and not see what this cunt (I apologize to our female members, but that's the best term to describe her.) is trying to do.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 23 2008,15:02

Election fraud an "honest mistake," so no charges even when they are caught.

OHIO!

< http://www.nbc4i.com/midwest....28.html >

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2008,11:38

Military absentee ballots being tossed in Virginia.

< http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archive....fai.php >

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 24 2008,12:50

(GORDON @ Oct. 24 2008,13:38)

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Military absentee ballots being tossed in Virginia.

< http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archive....fai.php >

That's some extreme bullshit. They're bitching about voters not filling out forms correctly? Fuck you. That's the same reason why it's taking me a semester to file for graduation as opposed to the 2 weeks it should've taken.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2008,13:07

It's like the state of virginia is trying to piss off their own armed citizens by disenfranchising them. I'm pretty sure wars have started that way.

Posted by Vince on Oct. 24 2008,15:20

(Malcolm @ Oct. 24 2008,12:50)

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What's worse is the forms didn't have the proper fields in order to be filled out according to the laws requirements.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 25 2008,12:32

So is a single fall guy gong to account for this?

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The folks over at ACORN - Barack Obama's favorite "community organizers" - now admit that more than 30 percent of the 1.3 million voter-registration forms they submitted this year were rejected by election officials nationwide.

< http://www.nypost.com/seven....225.htm >

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 25 2008,12:36

13 Obama workers withdrew their registrations in Ohio after they were told they were illegal.

< http://www.nypost.com/seven....152.htm >

That's swell of them.

So they are either idiots, or dishonest.

Hope. Change.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 25 2008,15:07

(GORDON @ Oct. 25 2008,14:32)

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So is a single fall guy gong to account for this?

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< http://www.nypost.com/seven....225.htm >

They're still claiming incompetency & quotas as opposed to any malicious intent. Being a moron is still legal ... for now. Evidence. Concrete. Damning. I see none. Whatever it is they're doing, it appears to be working as no one really high up on the food chain has been nicked yet. Maybe later.

Politicians & those who hang 'round them are adept at bending the law. Contrary to popular belief, a few of them have half a brain, legally speaking.

Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 25 2008,16:18

"ACORN: We're not crooked, just dumb!"

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 25 2008,18:31

I was told tonight by an otherwise intelligent person that there is no voter fraud going on, and that anything negative you hear about Obama is just right-wing lies.

It makes me very sad.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 26 2008,10:03

While I still see no evidence for this voter fraud thing, I'd certainly hear suggestions that an organization which fucks up this much of its paperwork shouldn't be allowed to register anyone else till they up their standards.

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 26 2008,10:23

With that as the rule we'd have to shut down the IRS, the DMV, the county property tax offices, etc.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 26 2008,10:25

(TPRJones @ Oct. 26 2008,12:23)

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With that as the rule we'd have to shut down the IRS, the DMV, the county property tax offices, etc.

They're all sanctioned directly by "the man." ACORN is probably a bit further removed, technically.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 27 2008,07:04

I would require all voter registration to occur at the DMV or through tax departments. Having third party organizations do it is just asking for trouble.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 27 2008,07:11

I like the "ID is required to cast a vote" idea, personally.

With all ID's being free to acquire.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 27 2008,07:34

I'm all for that, but wasn't that plan proposed across the nation and wasn't it called "biased against minorities and poor people"?

The thought process was that forcing poor people and/or minorities to actually show up somewhere and register for something might intimidate them...

I wish I was making this up.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 27 2008,08:15

Yes, I remember the uproar, but I don't care. If you've got widespread election fraud due to lax standards, you tighten things up a bit. It shouldn't be an issue at all to make people verify that they are who they say they are when they vote, yet it is. The only reason I can think of for that is malfeasance on the part of those protesting. So fuck them.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 27 2008,08:48

(GORDON @ Oct. 27 2008,10:11)

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I like the "ID is required to cast a vote" idea, personally.

With all ID's being free to acquire.

Agreed.

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 27 2008,08:52

So you guys are advocating that people must acquire government ID and be ready to display it to the appropriate officials?

What's next, Internal Passports to cross state lines?

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 27 2008,09:01

(TPRJones @ Oct. 27 2008,09:52)

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So you guys are advocating that people must acquire government ID and be ready to display it to the appropriate officials?

So you guys are advocating that people must acquire government ID and be ready to display it to the appropriate officials....when voting?

Yes.

If you don't want to vote, don't bother getting an ID.

Posted by Troy on Oct. 27 2008,09:25

(Leisher @ Oct. 27 2008,05:04)

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I would require all voter registration to occur at the DMV or through tax departments. Having third party organizations do it is just asking for trouble.

These places suck so bad even without the HEAVY burden such a program.

The DMV would be a nightmare each election eyar.

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 27 2008,09:38

(GORDON @ Oct. 27 2008,07:01)

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If you don't want to vote, don't bother getting an ID.

Hear, hear! Beaucracy: Love it or leave it!

I don't know, myself. I'd rather have some occasional voter fraud than put too much control over who can and can't vote into the hands of those currently holding office.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 27 2008,09:42

(Troy @ Oct. 27 2008,10:25)

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(Leisher @ Oct. 27 2008,05:04)

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I would require all voter registration to occur at the DMV or through tax departments. Having third party organizations do it is just asking for trouble.

These places suck so bad even without the HEAVY burden such a program.

The DMV would be a nightmare each election eyar.

I registered through the DMV, both in NC and Ohio.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 27 2008,09:43

(TPRJones @ Oct. 27 2008,10:38)

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(GORDON @ Oct. 27 2008,07:01)

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If you don't want to vote, don't bother getting an ID.

I really fail to see how proving who you are constitutes "too much control."

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 27 2008,10:23

Well, we are talking about more beauracry here. That means rules and red tape.

What if they just happen to lose your application, or someone makes a mistake in the system so that your ID goes to someone else's address, or they mispell something so that your ID is not a proper match to you under the rules, or any other number of problems. What if some of these accidents aren't really accidents, but of course that woule be hard to prove because after all all they are doing is trying to identify you.

There's a lot of potential there for misconduct. Under the current system the tendancy is to - when in doubt - count the vote. I think that's better than replacing it with a system where the tendancy is to - when in doubt - throw the vote away. The second one is easier to abuse from the inside.

Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 27 2008,11:09

This would be so much simpler if you just replaced our current system with paper ballots. Dispensed by vending machines. The proceeds of which are the only source of revenue for all levels of government.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 27 2008,11:10

You walk in with a birth certificate, they take your picture, you get your ID, you check it for misspellings, you leave. That's pretty much the standard, even for things like driver licenses, and unlike driver licenses there isn't even a test to take.

You still haven't convinced me this proposed system is worse than widespread, possibly organized voter fraud when history has shown the leadership of the free world can be decided by fewer than 500 votes. I can honestly see no room for deliberate bureaucratic red-tape, or whatever that you are suggesting can happen during an election year.

Peeps wont have to wait until an election year to get their ID's. Hell, suggest that we drop the selective service registration, and get your ID on your 18th, instead, IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO SO.

Hell, make all access to government services dependent on an ID, which I think they are, anyway. We're just adding the requirement to verify the vote.

Posted by Vince on Oct. 27 2008,20:08

(TPRJones @ Oct. 27 2008,10:23)

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What if they just happen to lose your application, or someone makes a mistake in the system so that your ID goes to someone else's address, or they mispell something so that your ID is not a proper match to you under the rules, or any other number of problems. What if some of these accidents aren't really accidents, but of course that woule be hard to prove because after all all they are doing is trying to identify you.

Women go through worse when they get married and change their last names. It's not that big of a deal. Sometimes it takes more than once to get it right.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 28 2008,12:59

Ohio judge rules "homeless" can list a park bench as primary residence, for voting purposes.

< http://dispatch.com/live....sid=101 >

Posted in this thread because while I can see it as valid for actual homeless, I can't see how this couldn't be easily abused by dishonest people.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 28 2008,13:37

(GORDON @ Oct. 28 2008,15:59)

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I think that's fine.

But I also think those 13 people should have been ass-reamed for filing fake Ohio residency claims.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 28 2008,13:40

(TheCatt @ Oct. 28 2008,14:37)

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But I also think those 13 people should have been ass-reamed for filing fake Ohio residency claims.

As we know, when it comes to the law as long as breaking it was an "honest mistake" we all forgive and forget.

Posted by Vince on Oct. 28 2008,16:08

(GORDON @ Oct. 28 2008,12:59)

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I don't know how that can be their primary residence if they can't get mail there.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 29 2008,16:27

Woman's name fraudulently used to donate $170k to the Obama campaign.

< http://corner.nationalreview.com/post....TBjMzk= >

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 29 2008,17:43

(GORDON @ Oct. 29 2008,19:27)

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Woman's name fraudulently used to donate $170k to the Obama campaign.

< http://corner.nationalreview.com/post....TBjMzk= >

Nice.

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Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign is allowing donors to use largely untraceable prepaid credit cards that could potentially be used to evade limits on how much an individual is legally allowed to give or to mask a contributor's identity, campaign officials confirmed.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 29 2008,18:40

And that's just one person they've caught, so far.

edit - One instance, that is.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 29 2008,18:55

Thank Christ we'd all that campaign finance reform to handle all this shyte.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 29 2008,18:58

(Malcolm @ Oct. 29 2008,19:55)

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Thank Christ we'd all that campaign finance reform to handle all this shyte.

No, this is straight-up lawbreaking. Obama's website was not keeping track of donations made by credit card, which means one person could give over the individual limits set by law, foreigners could donate, etc. Most mainstream media have decided it isn't newsworthy.

Note - the credit card system they have comes with address verification turned on by default. It has to be manually deactivated. But that knowledge comes from evil right wing lie websites, so it is all lies and nevermind.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 29 2008,19:04

(GORDON @ Oct. 29 2008,20:58)

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(Malcolm @ Oct. 29 2008,19:55)

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Thank Christ we'd all that campaign finance reform to handle all this shyte.

Mayhaps the incorrect things were reformed.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 29 2008,19:58

If it had been McCain, the media would be all over it. That's what needs to change.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 29 2008,20:44

(GORDON @ Oct. 29 2008,21:58)

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If it had been McCain, the media would be all over it. That's what needs to change.

As I said, Republicans don't've this PR thing figured out yet. If they did, shit'd be different. You wanna know how all this shit is possible? One party's beating the other in an extremely important aspect of modern politics.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 30 2008,06:09

Not much the Republican PR machine can do when the other side controls the media.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 30 2008,11:28

(Leisher @ Oct. 30 2008,08:09)

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Not much the Republican PR machine can do when the other side controls the media.

Maybe they should start infiltrating the media. About the only place they control the majority is radio talk shows.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 30 2008,11:31

They did, it's called "FOX News" and half the country doesn't believe a word that comes out of them despite the majority of the "biased media" scandals occurring at ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, etc.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 30 2008,14:12

(Leisher @ Oct. 30 2008,13:31)

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They did, it's called "FOX News" and half the country doesn't believe a word that comes out of them despite the majority of the "biased media" scandals occurring at ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, etc.

Complaining that the deck's stacked against you does nothing to change the fact that it's stacked against you. They have not fixed this fundamental problem -- whether or not it's fair doesn't even enter into this. Life ain't fair.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 30 2008,15:17

Who said they were whining? They have a netwok. What more would you have them do?

To truly rid the MSM of liberal bias they'd have to infiltrate every newsroom in the country and place their operatives in position to be the editors and producers, not just reporters. They'd also need to take over all college professor positions that teach future reporters.

Good luck with that.

Posted by Vince on Oct. 30 2008,15:55

(GORDON @ Oct. 29 2008,18:58)

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Saw a post on another site where a guy donated $15 three times in one sitting on his credit card using the same card and a bogus address (99999 zip). Never asked for the 3 digit code off the back of the card. He donated under William Ayers, Rezco, and I think Reverend Wright as the third. All three went through and hit his card. After the scant media attention and promises of clamping down on credit card security, he tried it again with the same card as Karl Marx and it went through again.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 30 2008,16:25

Political campaign advisor from New York fired for registering to vote in Ohio.

No charges from Ohio prosecutors, because oopsie, accidents happen!

< http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/026438.php >

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Congressman John Hall (D-Dover Plains) fired one of his long-time campaign advisers Tuesday, after learning that she’s embroiled in voter fraud investigations in Ohio. Amy Little, 49, has been a registered Democrat in New York since 1991, and Ulster County election officials said she voted in the party primary here in February.

But in October, Little registered to vote in Ohio.

Crap, we lost another vote for McCain in Ohio. I assume.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 04 2008,06:47

Election being stolen as we speak.

< http://ace.mu.nu/archives/277332.php >

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 04 2008,10:17

Armed Black Panthers blocking Republicans from entering polling places in Pennsylvania.

(How do they know they are republicans?)

With video.

< http://ace.mu.nu/archives/277352.php >

Posted by Mommy Dearest on Nov. 04 2008,11:09

Watched the video. Don't have speakers at work, saw two black guys by their vehicles. No nightsticks or blocking of doorways. Not even sure it was even a polling place?

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 04 2008,11:21

It was a polling place.

The black guy with the nightstick had been removed by police.

The other Black Panther was still there because he's the Democratic Poll Monitor...

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 04 2008,12:00

That's just great.

I was discussing with a coworker (who is anti-Republican) the differences in the way the parties cheat. When Republicans cheat they trickle-down cheat, with a few key power holders doing the cheating. When Democrats cheat they trickle-up cheat, with a larger number of individuals with much less power doing the cheating.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 04 2008,12:54

rEPUBLICAN ELECTION OBSERVERS IN NH NOT ALLOWED TO OBSERVE WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE SAME-DAY REGISTRATION/VOTING TABLES.

< http://www.nowhampshire.com/content....rations >

Stupid caps lock.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 04 2008,12:55

100,000 Georgia voters also registered to vote in Ohio or Florida.

< http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008....ed.html >

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 04 2008,12:58

(TPRJones @ Nov. 04 2008,13:00)

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This is a regular dude with a video camera.

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 04 2008,13:46

I bet Malcolm could find a way to make a camera phone into a weapon.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 04 2008,14:05

(TPRJones @ Nov. 04 2008,15:46)

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I bet Malcolm could find a way to make a camera phone into a weapon.

W\ today's chemicals & electronics, there can't usually not be a way.

Posted by unkbill on Nov. 05 2008,07:43

Anyone else hear of a news report that a truck with ballots had dumped 4 bags on a busy highway. Shutting the highway down for hours while the dumasses tried to find them all.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 13 2008,06:14

< Catholic church stops funding ACORN >

Posted by thibodeaux on Nov. 13 2008,07:59

(TheCatt @ Nov. 13 2008,07:14)

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< Catholic church stops funding ACORN >

That's a good first step, but the Church is still squarely in the Communist camp.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 29 2010,08:13

Sorry Houston, your (legitimate) votes didn't matter at all. Allegedly.

< http://patterico.com/2010....r-fraud >

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Most of the findings focused on a group called Houston Votes, a voter registration group headed by Sean Caddle, who also worked for the Service Employees International Union before coming to Houston. Among the findings were that only 1,793 of the 25,000 registrations the group submitted appeared to be valid.

The other registrations included one of a woman who registered six times in the same day; registrations of non-citizens; so many applications from one Houston Voters collector in one day that it was deemed to be beyond human capability; and 1,597 registrations that named the same person multiple times, often with different signatures. . . .

“The integrity of the voting rolls in Harris County, Texas, appears to be under an organized and systematic attack by the group operating under the name Houston Votes,” the Harris voter registrar, Leo Vasquez, charged as he passed on the documentation to the district attorney.

Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 29 2010,08:43

No surprise there. I know a couple of people that worked with that group. This past election they were the epitome of Zealous Democrat Obama Zombies.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 10 2010,19:32

State of New York trying to keep any absentee military from voting.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....ing-act >

Because mailing lists are just so hard.

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More than one week after its extended deadline, New York still hasn’t mailed out absentee ballots to all its 320,000 military servicemen and women and overseas voters, in clear violation of the MOVE Act, FoxNews.com has learned.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 11 2010,12:57

NY absentee ballots still not sent.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....ballots >

They are already past a 15 day extension they received past the original deadline.

Having been deployed, I can tell you without a doubt that 25 days is not enough to receive mail on a ship and return it. It is at least 2 weeks to get to you in most cases I ever saw. I was deployed on ships and overseas for a year.

Looks like NY is staying Democrat, this year.

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 11 2010,13:47

Might be interesting to see where this goes. Could lead to a court ruling holing the elections open in New York until such times as the majority of ballots are returned.

Couldn't do that with a Presidential Election, but might happen with Senator on down.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 11 2010,13:51

I'M NOT SAYING THERE IS REALLY A CHANCE OF THIS HAPPENING... but rebellions in this country have started over less. What if some charismatic New York Marine decides to start talking, and explains to his fellow New Yorkers how they don't have any actual representation in the federal government, any more?

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 11 2010,15:53

(GORDON @ Oct. 11 2010,15:51)

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What if ...

1) Wouldn't happen. To piss off the New Yorkers, you'd've to take away the Yankees or bagels or something they give a fuck about. Military absentees ballots won't even register on the radar. I'd bet less than 50% of the state actually votes. & of those, I'd say 90% are fucktards that get suckered into voting for a politician who causes more problems than he solves.

2) Well, considering the FBI will happily drive armoured riot vehicles out to the boonies & up to your front door for not paying taxes, encouraging open rebellion or sedition of any kind directly against the U.S. gov't will probably result in a gov't response even < less reasonable > < than normal >.

Overthrowing the U.S. gov't would be impossible unless you could outgun or subvert the majority of federal organizations. Let's also remember the gov't isn't above < dosing its own soldiers or citizens with psychoactive drugs in the name of research >, so I can't imagine they'd think twice about exterminating or imprisoning real dissenters.

Posted by unkbill on Oct. 11 2010,17:03

On the brighter side all elections are frauds!!!
I just voted early because Im not here for the actual. The instuctions were terrible. And in this age the fucking computer can't tell the difference between blue and black ink is insane. Fuckum all I voted and folded the ballot correctly and put it in the envolope right. WTF.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 11 2010,17:15

(Malcolm @ Oct. 11 2010,18:53)

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(GORDON @ Oct. 11 2010,15:51)

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I never said 'overthrow the country,' I said rebellion. There have been lots. Lots of rebels knew that had no hope, yet rebelled anyway.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 11 2010,17:58

If they want to make a point by rebelling and failing, so be it. I'm sure < history will look back on them fondly >. I don't look forward to being on the losing side of the revolution. At best, you can look forward to a bullet in the head in quick order. At worst, < they'll torture you for a few years, and then kill you >.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 11 2010,18:30

When you no longer have a say in your government...

Well, that can be a big motivator for some people.

NY is making sure their military members have no say.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 11 2010,19:41

Please, most American citizens haven't had a real say in their gov't for years now. Granted, you've got the freedom to elect whatever corrupt, incompetent, greedy, rich dude you want, but that's about it. The gov't is no longer by the people, of the people, & sure as fuck ain't for the people. The bloated Jabba the Hutt that the U.S. political system has become serves only to line the pockets of those who run it & to perpetuate that state of affairs.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 11 2010,20:53

Peeps in the military have a slightly different relationship and perspective with/of the federal government.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 11 2010,21:31

The same one that runs the VA and isn't standing up for denied absentee ballots?

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 12 2010,10:57

Sometimes you remind me of my wife, Malcolm.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 21 2011,17:07

Several Democrat officials in NY caught forging ballots.

They claim "Yeah well Republicans do it, too." Massive right-wing media conglomerates yet to uncover any Republicans cheating, but apparently it happens, according to these guys who just plead guilty.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....ud-case >

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 21 2011,19:33

At the tail end of that, more voting fraud (Democratic, shocker) in Indiana.

These people should be hung, or shot. Let's let the people vote on which.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 02 2012,17:39

(TheCatt @ Dec. 21 2011,22:33)

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At the tail end of that, more voting fraud (Democratic, shocker) in Indiana.

These people should be hung, or shot. Let's let the people vote on which.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....in-2008 >

Just now officially charging them. This typically means the DA thinks he/she has enough evidence to convict.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 09 2012,10:01

Nice little "Gotcha" vid on how easy it is to commit voter fraud.

Dude votes as Eric Holder.

Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 09 2012,10:23

That sounds like a good way to get admitted to FPYITA prison.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 09 2012,10:25

They prove how hard it is to commit voter fraud by throwing the whistle-blower in prison?

Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 09 2012,11:04

No, they prove that there IS NO VOTER FRAUD you evil raciss bastard, and look how hard we come down on it when we find it!

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 09 2012,11:25

It looks like he never actually voted. He never even claimed to be those people, he just asked if they were on the list, gave their address (and never in first person "I"), and was offered a ballot anyway.

If he never took and used a ballot, he didn't break the law.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 09 2012,16:38

< http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news....eo?lite >

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In response, a Justice Department official says "about the only time we get concrete evidence of voter fraud is when someone pulls a stunt like this."

By the way, a federal official says the man in the video did not commit voter fraud, because he never signed the voter sheet and -- therefore -- never received or cast a fraudulently obtained ballot.

I DO think they should have blurred the election worker's face, because he didn't do anything illegal. He was just a local guy from the precinct, volunteering to work the voting station, and following the law as written. As far as I know.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 09 2012,16:40

On a related note, my local, rural little polling place ALWAYS asks for ID before we can vote in any election, be it local, state, or federal.

I wonder what would happen if I declined to provide my ID to the little old ladies with the voting roster.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 16 2012,14:28

They are offered more ballots for liberal personages, including Bill Maher.

< http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Gov....as-Back >

The DC Board of Elections has decided to investigate Project Veritas for voter fraud.

< http://www.nytimes.com/2012....ml?_r=3 >

< http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Gov....igation >

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 23 2012,09:37

< http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news....1859666 >

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Results of an ongoing Virginia State Police investigation of voter registration irregularities from the 2008 general election may signal a more significant voter fraud issue than some state lawmakers realized.

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A majority of those cases already have resulted in convictions, and 26 additional cases are still being actively investigated nearly 3½ years after the state Board of Elections forwarded more than 400 voter and election fraud allegations from 62 cities and counties to Virginia State Police for individual investigation.

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A total of 194 cases statewide where police determined a violation likely occurred have been closed because the commonwealth's attorneys in those localities declined to prosecute those individuals, police said.

Good thing the voter fraud was confined to Virginia, and democrats in the other states are really honest.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 24 2012,04:40

Wikileaks: people pretty high up think the 2008 election was stolen with voter fraud, but nothing was done about it for fear of race riots.

< http://pjmedia.com/jchrist....ge=true >

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 22 2013,17:58

Obama only appeared on the Indiana ballot in 2008 because of forged signatures.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....n-fraud >

No one cares that democracy is dead.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 22 2013,18:11

Been dead for years. Not only is it too late to close the barn door, but that fucker burned to the ground years ago and the carbonized wood is beginning to petrify.

Posted by GORDON on Jul. 18 2013,19:54

Ohio election bitch sentenced to 5 years. Bragged on TV about voting twice.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....estnews >

Posted by GORDON on Jul. 21 2015,07:01

5 recent cases of voter fraud getting caught.

< http://dailysignal.com/2015....k-again >

This doesn't happen at the federal level though, and there are no entities organizing it.

And granted, being paid $50 for your vote is probably a lot more beneficial to you than an unpaid vote based on conscience, since usually there is no difference in how shitty each candidate will be.