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Forum: Internet Links Topic: Think all lives matter? started by: Leisher Posted by Leisher on Feb. 26 2016,07:53
< You're a racist. >When is it going to be ok to point out that all these social media campaigns where race is mentioned are insanely racist and actually making the problem worse? When will it be ok to point out that telling generation upon generation of children of a specific race that no matter what they do it won't mean shit because another race is holding them down might not be the best way to unite all people? The campaigns by black people in this country to continually beat the "whitey is holding us down" drum has far surpassed the level of insanity. While they're constantly blaming racism for all the things keeping them down (completely ignoring their own culture as potentially being a problem) other minorities are silently thriving. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 26 2016,08:12
QUOTE So Zuckerberg can react to racism within his company but he cant give Kanye a few million dollars!? QUOTE I’m a let you finish but, Zuck hates black people and this is the best comment of all time.
-unapologetic genius Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 26 2016,08:50
(Leisher @ Feb. 26 2016,09:53) QUOTE < You're a racist. > It's pretty clear from his statements that the problem is not that people are writing "all lives matter", the problem is that crossing out what other people have written is a big no no. He's not saying "all lives matter" makes you a racist, he's saying censoring the people writing "black lives matter" by scratching it out is racist. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 26 2016,08:58
(TPRJones @ Feb. 26 2016,11:50) QUOTE (Leisher @ Feb. 26 2016,09:53) QUOTE < You're a racist. > It's pretty clear from his statements that the problem is not that people are writing "all lives matter", the problem is that crossing out what other people have written is a big no no. He's not saying "all lives matter" makes you a racist, he's saying censoring the people writing "black lives matter" by scratching it out is racist. I would argue they're scratching out a racist comment. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 26 2016,09:30
QUOTE I would argue they're scratching out a racist comment. Racist in that it uses race? Maybe. Racist according to the dictionary? QUOTE a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others. Not even close. Speaking from logic: If all lives matter, then black lives matter by universal quantification. In order to qualify for racism, you'd need to append "more" at the end of the slogan. As it is now, you could easily say they're taking the Chappelle stance a la Tron Carter's "Law and Order." QUOTE I plead the fif! F-I-F fif!
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 26 2016,09:50
(Malcolm @ Feb. 26 2016,12:30) QUOTE QUOTE I would argue they're scratching out a racist comment. Racist in that it uses race? Maybe. Racist according to the dictionary? QUOTE a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others. Not even close. Speaking from logic: If all lives matter, then black lives matter by universal quantification. In order to qualify for racism, you'd need to append "more" at the end of the slogan. As it stands, you could easily say they're taking the Chappelle stance a la Tron Carter's "Law and Order." You're making assumptions. Getting mad at people who suggest that all lives matter implies no concern for other lives. I won't even point out how these are the same people behind #oscarssowhite who are ignoring the fact that their race is also over represented at the Oscars. But hey, keep telling me that my opinions don't matter. That me taking offense to a campaign that I personally think implies their lives matter more than mine is wrong. Keep minimizing me and my opinions. Because that's exactly how you unite people. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 26 2016,09:57
QUOTE You're making assumptions. Getting mad at people who suggest that all lives matter implies no concern for other lives. How is your implication not an assumption? Does Black History month imply the history of others matter less so? This link isn't about that, either. It's about Zuck bitching out people who are effectively taking a digital spraycan and using it to modify a thought someone else had. Once we start seeing " Posted by Leisher on Feb. 26 2016,11:22
(Malcolm @ Feb. 26 2016,12:57) QUOTE QUOTE You're making assumptions. Getting mad at people who suggest that all lives matter implies no concern for other lives. How is your implication not an assumption? Does Black History month imply the history of others matter less so? This link isn't about that, either. It's about Zuck bitching out people who are effectively taking a digital spraycan and using it to modify a thought someone else had. Once we start seeing " So my assumption is wrong and your assumption is correct? By the way, we're talking about a campaign that other black people have denounced because they also see it as dividing. We're talking about a campaign whose poster children were in the process of assaulting police and trying to get their gun or who refused orders to drop a knife and charged police. We're talking about a campaign that focuses ONLY on the death of black people at the hands of police. Completely ignoring the far more numerous white deaths at the hands of police. Completely ignoring all other minority deaths at the hands of police. We're talking about a campaign that took a real issue affecting all Americans, the militarization of police and their terrible hiring practices, and turned it into a political campaign to further the cause for one race. One segment of the U.S. at the expense of the others. < Here's an article with facts for all sides of this argument. > The overwhelming message being that: 1. You're actually pretty unlikely to be killed by the police no matter who you are. 2. The issue of police killing folks is being turned into an issue of race and it shouldn't. Of course, you're arguing that is should be, < so let's go to the leader of the Black Lives Matter movement for her take >: QUOTE “‘All lives matter is a new racial slur,” Marissa J. Johnson, co-founder of Black Lives Matter Seattle, said on Bret Baier’s “Voter Revolt” special. “White Americans have created the conditions that require a phrase like ‘Black Lives Matter.’” Yep, that's not dividing AT ALL. Clearly seeing all of these police shootings of minorities are what drove her to act and nothing else... QUOTE “Do you know how horrific it is to grow up as a child in a world that so hates you?” she asked Fox interviewer John Roberts, who is white. “That you have to literally say to other people, ‘My life matters,’ and they’re like, ‘Well everybody’s life matters,’ while you’re literally being gunned down in the street, while you’re being rounded up and mass incarcerated and forced into prison slavery.” Just. Fucking. Wow. What did I say earlier? QUOTE When is it going to be ok to point out that all these social media campaigns where race is mentioned are insanely racist and actually making the problem worse? When will it be ok to point out that telling generation upon generation of children of a specific race that no matter what they do it won't mean shit because another race is holding them down might not be the best way to unite all people? She continues... QUOTE “Black Lives Matter is not a strong enough statement for me,” Ms. Johnson added. No follow up on that comment, but I don't think we need to worry about improperly assuming where she was going with it. Go to the article and read more if you're curious about her obvious hatred for white people. That's the leader of the movement you're here defending. The one you're telling me I'm wrong for assuming it's about race. Or do you want to try and keep it focused on Zuck and how what he did was right? Do you think he'd write the same message if he saw what the BLM leader thought about white people? Hell, there's a part of me that thinks the whole thing is a publicity stunt for headlines. They saw what someone did and figured they could get some easy, good press. Not saying it's true, but I doubt there's anyone here who would completely dismiss the idea. If the BLM movement wasn't truly about further the interests of one race, then they'd be going after the #1 killer of young black males, which happens to be young black males. Marissa Johnson grew up in a world she was told hates her. My kids are being raised in a world where they're being told all whites are racist and must include other races on everything, yet minorities aren't racist and they don't have to include whites on anything if they don't want to. Oh, and cops only kill black people. Unity! Anyway, my point is no matter the reasons for Zuck's statement whether its something he believes in or a publicity stunt, it's racist. I'm not judging him specifically, but rather the inability to have a differing opinion. To have a different viewpoint and NOT have it labeled as racist. QUOTE But hey, keep telling me that my opinions don't matter. That me taking offense to a campaign that I personally think implies their lives matter more than mine is wrong. Keep minimizing me and my opinions.
Because that's exactly how you unite people. Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 26 2016,16:39
You aren't wrong about most of what you are saying. There's a lot of racists using the phrase "Black Live Matter" just as there are using the phrase "All Lives Matter" as a response. There are also many people on both sides that aren't racist. QUOTE But hey, keep telling me that my opinions don't matter. Nothing wrong with most of your opinions here, just the one about Zuckerberg. It's clear from the article that his main complaint was the censorship, not the addition of "all lives matter" (except in that adding that in conjunction with the scratch out reads as a marginally racist action). |