Topic: Terrorist attack in France
started by: Leisher
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 13 2015,15:08
< anyone want to make a wager on what group or religion is behind it? >
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 13 2015,15:14
Obama was just on TV and said some intelligent things for a change... saying France has always been with the US and was a good counter terrorism partner. and we'd do all we could to help them now.
Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 13 2015,15:48
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Obama was just on TV and said some intelligent things for a change... saying France has always been with the US and was a good counter terrorism partner. and we'd do all we could to help them now.
Yeah, but those are just words... We'll be caving and cowering in no time.
Posted by Troy on Nov. 13 2015,16:06
Motherfuckers will rue the day they interrupted an international soccer game.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 13 2015,16:30
I wonder if they will keep calling them "youths."
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 13 2015,16:39
Fox says 100 people were executed in that concert venue.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 13 2015,19:02
Protesting college Millennials upset that Paris is stealing their thunder.< http://dailycaller.com/2015....issouri >
Troy, do you have anything to say about your generation?
Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 13 2015,19:22
There was some kind of protest today at Harvard that went by the bldg I was in. Couldnt' quite hear what they were saying though.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 13 2015,20:06
Fuck Harvard.
Posted by Troy on Nov. 13 2015,22:00
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Protesting college Millennials upset that Paris is stealing their thunder.
< http://dailycaller.com/2015....issouri >
Troy, do you have anything to say about your generation?
< http://dailycaller.com/2015....issouri >
Troy, do you have anything to say about your generation?
Sounds like the Midwest sucks.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 13 2015,22:18
And double fuck Mizzou.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 14 2015,04:53
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Protesting college Millennials upset that Paris is stealing their thunder.
< http://dailycaller.com/2015....issouri >
Troy, do you have anything to say about your generation?
< http://dailycaller.com/2015....issouri >
Troy, do you have anything to say about your generation?
It's impossible to logically respond to that level of ignorance and hate.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 14 2015,05:42
The TV people said 10k Syrian refugees arrived in New Orleans yesterday, mostly males between the ages of 18 and 40.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 14 2015,05:56
I'm sure nothing bad will come from that.Meanwhile, France has closed its borders. How long before other European countries follow suit?
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 14 2015,06:01
Troy I just want you to know that among you people, you Millennials, I consider you to be in the 10% of the good ones.
Posted by Paul on Nov. 14 2015,07:16
< Fleeing a club. >< Hollande: > "We are going to lead a war which will be pitiless. When terrorists are capable of committing such atrocities, they must be certain that they are facing a determined France, a united France, a France that is together, and does not let itself be moved"
< [Serious] actively practicing Muslims, what goes through your mind on a day like today? >
Posted by Paul on Nov. 14 2015,12:26
< They hit Lebanon too. >
Posted by Paul on Nov. 14 2015,12:26
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 14 2015,12:27
Didn't our President refer to ISIS as the "JV Team?"
Posted by Paul on Nov. 14 2015,19:25
Posted by Alhazad on Nov. 14 2015,21:14
Been having fun pointing out to people threatening war that France has been at war with ISIS since September 2014.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 15 2015,16:46
You know, everybody wants to get a time machine and go back and kill Hitler. Imagine if they went back and killed Mohammad in the cradle.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 15 2015,17:46
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You know, everybody wants to get a time machine and go back and kill Hitler. Imagine if they went back and killed Mohammad in the cradle.
Long as we include Jesus, Abraham, and all the other semi-legendary people of history on that list.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 15 2015,18:10
I'm ok with the guy whose main philosophy was "turn the other cheek."
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 15 2015,18:23
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I'm ok with the guy whose main philosophy was "turn the other cheek."
A) He may not have existed.
B) Your best understanding of his philosophy comes from a censured list of holy books which have been translated who knows how many times through fuck knows how many languages, and even the first editions came about decades after Jeebus's alleged death.
I'd also like to add that Carrot Top has more control over his brand their either Mo or Jeebus, in spite of divine beings supposedly having their backs.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 15 2015,18:37
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I'm ok with the guy whose main philosophy was "turn the other cheek."
A) He may not have existed.
Well you're the one who put him on the kill list.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 15 2015,19:14
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I'm ok with the guy whose main philosophy was "turn the other cheek."
A) He may not have existed.
Well you're the one who put him on the kill list.
Just saying, giving Jeebus a free pass for shit that may or may not have happened is weird if you're hating on Mo for something similar, relative historical existences aside.
Posted by Alhazad on Nov. 15 2015,19:28
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You know, everybody wants to get a time machine and go back and kill Hitler.
I'd probably just warn him that the Jew thing won't work out. And the Russia thing. And that Japan brings the U.S. into the war.
I might just tell him that his paintings become worth a lot in the future, without mentioning why. That would be enough.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 16 2015,06:24
< Anonymous declares war on ISIS due to Paris attacks. >
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 16 2015,07:28
Didn't they already do that for something else?
Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 16 2015,07:35
Oh noes! ISIS is gonna get its twitter account hacked!
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 16 2015,08:29
If ISIS can actually figure out how to hit ISIS's funding, recruitment, or communication that would be awesome.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 16 2015,08:37
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If ISIS can actually figure out how to hit ISIS's funding, recruitment, or communication that would be awesome.
I think ISIS knows how to hit ISIS's funding.
Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 16 2015,17:16
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< Anonymous declares war on ISIS due to Paris attacks. >
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 16 2015,18:39
The Eagles of Death Metal were playing "Save A Prayer" when they got their show interrupted. There's a push to send it to #1 on the UK singles chart. Because a Duran Duran cover about random one night stands surging to the top is going to show our resolve. I guess the sentiment is appreciated, but remember when motherfuckers bought war bonds and other shit that kind of made a measurable difference?
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 17 2015,07:38
Douchebag government assholes are already calling for backdoors to encryption because of this. Fuck them. Nothing like using dead bodies as political and emotional fodder for bad fucking ideas.
Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 17 2015,07:50
When all you care about is having power, then the answer to every problem is more power.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 18 2015,04:35
< Raid in Paris stops terrorist attack. >Meanwhile, in a friendly between Greece and Turkey < Turkish fans boo the moment of silence for the Paris victims and chant "Allah Akbar". > I guess the "small percentage of extremist Muslims" just happened to all be at the game.
< Anonymous attacks ISIS' Twitter accounts. >
< Anonymous is also releasing personal details of ISIS folks. > This part I don't agree with because they need to have iron clad proof someone is with ISIS or they risk innocent lives. I'm quite certain the folks in Anonymous are probably against the death penalty (although maybe I'm wrong), and one of the biggest criticisms of it is "what if they're innocent". Seems like putting someone in harm's way without concrete proof of their guilt and without their day in court would be pretty hypocritical. Although, I fully support giving said details to authorities so they can follow up on them.
Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 18 2015,06:20
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I'm quite certain the folks in Anonymous are probably against the death penalty...
You really can't make any sort of blanket statement like that about anonymous and have it be accurate. It's way too amorphous of a group and traditional left-right politics doesn't enter into most of what they do because it would be impossible to get them to agree.
This is like saying "I'm quite certain the folks that drive cars are probably against abortion..."
Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 18 2015,06:24
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Seems like putting someone in harm's way without concrete proof of their guilt and without their day in court...
Given how worthless our judicial system is I see no reason to put more faith in the authority of a court of law than in what I myself can discover. Who made Anonymous judge and jury? Anonymous did. And I can respect them for taking up the responsibility.
Do I trust them to do a good job with it? Not as much as I would like. Vigilantism can be messy. But governments are just people, too, and just as prone to make mistakes. There's no good reason to have more faith in a court of law than you would in a rabble of self-appointed judges. There are no good answers.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 18 2015,06:49
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You really can't make any sort of blanket statement like that about anonymous and have it be accurate. It's way too amorphous of a group and traditional left-right politics doesn't enter into most of what they do because it would be impossible to get them to agree.
That's fair. I made the statement based on their previous acts and statements. But yeah, it's like saying everyone in unions vote Democrat just because the unions tell them to...
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Given how worthless our judicial system is I see no reason to put more faith in the authority of a court of law than in what I myself can discover. Who made Anonymous judge and jury? Anonymous did. And I can respect them for taking up the responsibility.
Do I trust them to do a good job with it? Not as much as I would like. Vigilantism can be messy. But governments are just people, too, and just as prone to make mistakes. There's no good reason to have more faith in a court of law than you would in a rabble of self-appointed judges. There are no good answers.
Do I trust them to do a good job with it? Not as much as I would like. Vigilantism can be messy. But governments are just people, too, and just as prone to make mistakes. There's no good reason to have more faith in a court of law than you would in a rabble of self-appointed judges. There are no good answers.
I respect them for taking these stands as well because, especially in this case they're putting themselves in harm's way, but I still think it's a slippery slope to begin revealing names publicly.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 18 2015,07:37
< Cloudflare is under fire from Anonymous. >The owner's response is interesting.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 18 2015,12:10
< Raving Congressbitch > proves Malcolm right.QUOTE
"I think Silicon Valley has to take a look at their products, because if you create a product that allows evil monsters to communicate in this way, to behead children, to strike innocents, whether it's at a game in a stadium, in a small restaurant in Paris, take down an airliner, that's a big problem," said Feinstein, who is vice chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
Go fuck yourself, you ignorant, opportunistic cunt.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 19 2015,05:06
I just thought of a good way for Anonymous to attack ISIS.... find their members, and dox the shit out of them. Post their internet browser histories and shit so everyone knows how the righteous defenders of Allah and heroes of the new Caliphate are just pervs like everyone else. Will destroy them individually and demoralize them collectively. That's pretty much all Anonymous can do since it isn't like ISIS is running any massive server farms that can be attacked.And I'd say that on slow news days, just make shit up. It isn't like ISIS could actively disprove anything. They need a massive, popular webpage upon which to do this that people would hit every day to mock the ISIS Idiot of the Day.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 19 2015,05:25
If they could find any of their bank accounts they could empty them and give the money to charities. The typical ones spring to mind like helping Syrian refugees and whatnot, but for fun I'd give their money to Jewish charities.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 19 2015,07:45
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And I'd say that on slow news days, just make shit up.
You can do that now, with Anonymous.
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If they could find any of their bank accounts they could empty them and give the money to charities.
If only ISIS would drop their credit card next time they were out shopping. If bank security could be cracked at will like that, you'd be hiding your cash under a mattress.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 19 2015,10:39
< Voice of sanity speaks >.QUOTE
Pavel Durov knew that terrorists were using his app to communicate. And he decided it was something he could live with.
“I think that privacy, ultimately, and our right for privacy is more important than our fear of bad things happening, like terrorism,” the founder of Telegram, a highly secure messaging app, said at a TechCrunch panel in September when asked if he “slept well at night” knowing his technology was used for violence.
“If you look at ISIS, yes, there’s a war going on in the Middle East,” he continued. “Ultimately, ISIS will find a way to communicate with its cells, and if any means doesn’t feel secure to them, they’ll [find something else]. We shouldn’t feel guilty about it. We’re still doing the right thing, protecting our users’ privacy.”
“I think that privacy, ultimately, and our right for privacy is more important than our fear of bad things happening, like terrorism,” the founder of Telegram, a highly secure messaging app, said at a TechCrunch panel in September when asked if he “slept well at night” knowing his technology was used for violence.
“If you look at ISIS, yes, there’s a war going on in the Middle East,” he continued. “Ultimately, ISIS will find a way to communicate with its cells, and if any means doesn’t feel secure to them, they’ll [find something else]. We shouldn’t feel guilty about it. We’re still doing the right thing, protecting our users’ privacy.”
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 19 2015,12:21
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And I'd say that on slow news days, just make shit up.
You can do that now, with Anonymous.
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If they could find any of their bank accounts they could empty them and give the money to charities.
If only ISIS would drop their credit card next time they were out shopping. If bank security could be cracked at will like that, you'd be hiding your cash under a mattress.
I'm not saying they're cracking the pentagon, but if they come across anyone's private information (they have), and can locate them (they have), and then gain access to their PC, people have a habit of not cleaning up after themselves. Who knows what they'll find?
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 19 2015,14:21
The Pentagon has lots more electronic firepower (CPU cycles and memory) than Anonymous could ever hope to organize coherently. If the ISIS accounts were hackable, someone would have been on that shit long ago. They have all sorts of people that already fucking hate them who would be draining their cash as we speak. Secondly, if ISIS has dudes who can build bombs (chemical genius not req'd) then they got dudes who know basic digital security (computer genius not req'd). "Gaining access" to one of the machines with their holy PIN numbers (has someone tried Muhammad's birthday?) would most likely mean physically seizing it and then probably decrypting it.Is there a chance? Sure.
Do I want to dissuade them? No.
Do I expect results? Eh, maybe 5-10%, but no.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 19 2015,15:01
The government, famously, can't hire good hackers.I don't trust guys who can't make it rich in the civilian sector to have the skills and creativity of those who can.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 19 2015,15:13
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The government, famously, can't hire good hackers.
I don't trust guys who can't make it rich in the civilian sector to have the skills and creativity of those who can.
I don't trust guys who can't make it rich in the civilian sector to have the skills and creativity of those who can.
I'm sure some of the selected gov't black hats can run with any except the sharpest of the private sector. On average, the gov't gets blown the fuck away. But I have no doubt they have individuals who, given the extra boost of super and parallel computing, can crack anything feasibly crackable ... unless there's some ultra-mega-awesome decryption algorithm that hasn't leaked out to the underground.
In short: they have a considerable collection of covert resources that is miles above what most private companies have, excepting major tech giants. Their cash will attract some limited pool of competent techies because some motherfuckers can't help but sell their souls.
Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 21 2015,12:28
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I'm not saying they're cracking the pentagon, but if they come across anyone's private information (they have), and can locate them (they have), and then gain access to their PC, people have a habit of not cleaning up after themselves. Who knows what they'll find?
Keep in mind that most of Anonymous aren't what you would consider real hackers. They're people who've downloaded a few scripts and botnet controllers and they use tools other people have created to do their work. On average the members of this board are better hackers than Anonymous. But that is on average; they've got some real skill available if the right members are involved in an op.
Most of hacking these days is social hacking, anyway, either phishing from the target or engineering the customer service reps into divulging credentials. This is harder to accomplish when you don't share a common culture - or language - with the target.
Posted by Alhazad on Nov. 21 2015,21:08
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This is harder to accomplish when you don't share a common culture - or language - with the target.
Anonymous isn't staffed with angry young men who resent women, attack innocent targets just to exult in having power, and want to rewrite history and destroy the establishment just for getting there first, so that point's well taken.
Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 22 2015,11:50
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This is harder to accomplish when you don't share a common culture - or language - with the target.
Anonymous isn't staffed with angry young men who resent women, attack innocent targets just to exult in having power, and want to rewrite history and destroy the establishment just for getting there first, so that point's well taken.
Dear Al, don't ever leave us.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2015,15:24
< Lawmaker unamused > at football team's walkout.QUOTE
Rep. Rick Brattin of Jefferson City has written a bill that would strip the scholarship away from any student who refuses to play ball when he (or she, but we know he's only talking about he) isn't injured.
I have no trouble with this.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 14 2015,16:19
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< Lawmaker unamused > at football team's walkout.
I have no trouble with this.
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Rep. Rick Brattin of Jefferson City has written a bill that would strip the scholarship away from any student who refuses to play ball when he (or she, but we know he's only talking about he) isn't injured.
I have no trouble with this.
Seriously? You think the GOVERNMENT should control the behavior of student athletes? Not the individual schools or coaches?
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 14 2015,16:29
Considering that most scholarships are privately given and not public funds, I don't see how Rep. Rick Brattin of Jefferson City has anything to do with it.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2015,17:02
Yeah.... unless their scholarship was government money....
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 14 2015,20:34
Those are called usually grants.There are some exceptions in college sports, though, so it would have some application. But I read the bill (and the referenced section 536) and it isn't subtle enough to care about such distinctions. It's going to have the effect of stripping private scholarships as well, which seems like governmental overreach to me.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2015,20:46
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< Lawmaker unamused > at football team's walkout.
I have no trouble with this.
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Rep. Rick Brattin of Jefferson City has written a bill that would strip the scholarship away from any student who refuses to play ball when he (or she, but we know he's only talking about he) isn't injured.
I have no trouble with this.
Seriously? You think the GOVERNMENT should control the behavior of student athletes? Not the individual schools or coaches?
College is glorified daycare at the moment. It's a valuable life lesson: act like fucking adults or professional assholes will come in to regulate you.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 15 2015,06:12
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< Lawmaker unamused > at football team's walkout.
I have no trouble with this.
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Rep. Rick Brattin of Jefferson City has written a bill that would strip the scholarship away from any student who refuses to play ball when he (or she, but we know he's only talking about he) isn't injured.
I have no trouble with this.
Seriously? You think the GOVERNMENT should control the behavior of student athletes? Not the individual schools or coaches?
College is glorified daycare at the moment. It's a valuable life lesson: act like fucking adults or professional assholes will come in to regulate you.
You, of all people, want the government to decide what acting like an adult means? How's that worked for you so far?
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 15 2015,08:28
I didn't say they'd decide what "acting like an adult" is. I don't see any adults in gov't or college at the moment. I just said assholes would come in and regulate. Perhaps yanking the scholarships is out of bounds. But they have other funding they can pull and then they indirectly force the issue.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 15 2015,09:49
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I didn't say they'd decide what "acting like an adult" is. I don't see any adults in gov't or college at the moment. I just said assholes would come in and regulate. Perhaps yanking the scholarships is out of bounds. But they have other funding they can pull and then they indirectly force the issue.
I think you did
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College is glorified daycare at the moment. It's a valuable life lesson: act like fucking adults or professional assholes will come in to regulate you.
There are position coaches, coordinators, head coaches, athletic directors, and university presidents who can regulate. We don't need the government involved. And, as TPR said, it aint their money.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 15 2015,09:51
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We don't need the government involved. And, as TPR said, it aint their money.
I believe the state of Misery directly supports Mizzou with cash. They're already involved.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 15 2015,10:01
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We don't need the government involved. And, as TPR said, it aint their money.
I believe the state of Misery directly supports Mizzou with cash. They're already involved.
You both have a point there.
Remember the guy who applied to the all female college back in the 80s or 90s and then sued for discrimination when he was rejected?
Essentially, the case came down to the school's funding and because they were 100% privately funded, they were allowed to reject him based on his sex.
Not sure why that doesn't apply to Augusta Golf Course, but you know, fuck white men.
Anyway, point being, the government had no jurisdiction because their money wasn't paying the bills.