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Topic: Legalization of pot in Ohio
started by: Stranger

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 14 2015,06:30

< Kent State poll says if vote was held today, Ohio would legalize pot. >

Looks like Ohio is well on its way to going from illegal to totally legal here within the next month. Medicinally and recreationally. I'll be voting yes on Issue 3 and I know that Gordo will be growing his four allotted plants even if he doesn't smoke it!

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 14 2015,07:00

Go Ohio! Finally, a reason to visit.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 14 2015,07:21

You shouldn't be voting Yes on Issue 3.

Ohio just doesn't learn. Years ago they voted Yes to legalize gambling stupidly. Why stupid? Because the law rewrote the Ohio constitution so that only a certain casino owner was allowed to open their casinos in certain cities and only at certain street addresses.

The most ridiculously corrupt thing I've ever seen, and the public voted it in and now they complain that the casino suck and they're in bad locations and wonder why nobody else opens one.

Same shit's going on with the marijuana legalization. Ohio's already selected the growers and sellers unlike other states that are holding lotteries.

I'm all for legalization, but not for corruption.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 14 2015,07:26

(Leisher @ Oct. 14 2015,10:21)

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Same shit's going on with the marijuana legalization. Ohio's already selected the growers and sellers unlike other states that are holding lotteries.

I'm all for legalization, but not for corruption.

Yep, was going to say this.

Fuck this state government.

Though yes, I would be growing as many plants as the law allows. I probably wouldn't even smoke it, I just want to grow the plants.

Probably next to my hops.

Posted by Stranger on Oct. 14 2015,07:29

that's where Issue 2 comes in (which is basically against monopolies, but isn't that already in the constitution?) and if that passes who the hell knows what's going to happen. It will most likely be settled in court.

But for me personally, I don't really care who grows it and sells it. I don't care who opens and owns the casinos either. If I don't wanna buy and support those who sell it then I can grow my own.

All I know is this, I can now go to a casino (hell I work right across the street from the one here in Toledo) and not have to go to shitty Detroit or Vegas and if I wanna smoke pot then I can buy it and smoke it legally. Somebody is going to make money from these casinos and pot farms, but its not going to be me, so really I don't care in the end.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 14 2015,07:31

It's not quite a monopoly. Yes, it's limited to 10 growers, but none of those growers are allowed vertical integration into the rest of the market (ie: shops can buy from any of the growers). Yes, it's a market distortion.

The sellers (stores) are not selected, from my reading of the legislation. The # of stores is limited (one store for every 10,000 Ohioans, a max of 1,159 stores), but the stores are not pre-selected.

I agree that it's not ideal, but I think it's better than prohibition.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 14 2015,07:32

Also, individuals can grow. I would vote yes.

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Allow each person, 21 years of age or older, to, grow, cultivate, use, possess, and share up to eight ounces of usable homegrown marijuana plus four flowering marijuana plants if the person holds a valid state license.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 14 2015,07:39

The part about individuals growing I like as well.

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But for me personally, I don't really care who grows it and sells it. I don't care who opens and owns the casinos either.

That I don't agree with. End of the day, I'm not growing/selling pot or running a casino, but I'd like those enterprises to be fair so I can be offered options. Competition means better prices, better products, looser slots, bigger payouts, etc.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 14 2015,07:55

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Same shit's going on with the marijuana legalization. Ohio's already selected the growers and sellers unlike other states that are holding lotteries.

The real test of corruption will be the prices the growers and middlemen are allowed to charge. If you can't beat the street rate, then fuck that noise.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 14 2015,08:34

I guess Colorado's legal pot industry is facing that issue. Their prices are higher than street prices, so the street folks are still doing well.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 14 2015,08:43

(Leisher @ Oct. 14 2015,10:34)

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I guess Colorado's legal pot industry is facing that issue. Their prices are higher than street prices, so the street folks are still doing well.

Because the politicians there got greedy, like all politicians. You could undercut the street dealers by a shitload and still make a decent profit on the excise ... or, you could elect to go the stupid way. If you've got the out of growing yourself, eh, I guess. But it's not the same as a professionally raised product.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 14 2015,09:54

I think they realize the probably wouldn't make much MORE tax money by legalizing it... that "recreational" money will just come at the expense of beer or vaping or whatever taxes.

Merely reducing street crime and the drug trade isn't a good enough reason. They gots to get paid.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 14 2015,10:39

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that "recreational" money will just come at the expense of beer or vaping or whatever taxes.

I guarantee bud leads to fewer long-term medical problems than liquor or tobacco, which should reduce health care costs long term.

Posted by Stranger on Nov. 03 2015,08:52

Big day for Ohio, I'll be interested to see how the results turn out. Personally, I don't think it will pass but I voted yes so Gordon can grown his plants.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 03 2015,09:26

(Stranger @ Nov. 03 2015,11:52)

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Big day for Ohio, I'll be interested to see how the results turn out. Personally, I don't think it will pass but I voted yes so Gordon can grown his plants.

I voted no 2/yes 3.

I don't like the fact that one needs a license to grow a personal plant. That's bullshit.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 03 2015,09:38

I hope it passes, but I doubt it will.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 03 2015,19:32

(TheCatt @ Nov. 03 2015,11:38)

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I hope it passes, but I doubt it will.

We have a w1nn3r.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 03 2015,19:43

Think the feds will ever just blanket legalize it, like they did with gay marriage?

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 03 2015,19:58

In the same way, like through the courts? Not legalization, no, but certainly the courts should find that it should not be a schedule 1 drug because it does not meet the legal definition of a schedule 1 drug. It hasn't for several decades. At worst it should be classified as a schedule 3 drug. Technically the DEA keeping it on schedule 1 is a violation of federal law.

But then laws don't apply to government institutions anymore, right? Just to us peon citizens.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 03 2015,20:19

My wife has never put an ounce of thought into it, just didn't like it because obviously drugs are bad. I gave her about 5 good reasons in 20 seconds why she should have voted for it, and none of them were "so we can get high."

"Oh," she says.

Chicks, man. Repeal suffrage.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 03 2015,20:27

(GORDON @ Nov. 03 2015,21:43)

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Think the feds will ever just blanket legalize it, like they did with gay marriage?

Even if they do ... fucking state dickhead laws.

Posted by Alhazad on Nov. 04 2015,01:50

(GORDON @ Nov. 03 2015,20:19)

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I'm interested in the reasons.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 04 2015,04:58

I opened and closed with, "Because I like freedom/so why do you hate freedom?"

She said, "Well I don't want our son to be able to buy pot." I said, "Is he able to buy beer or cigarettes, now?"

Then she said, "I don't want drug dealers all over the place." I said, "Legalizing it makes it sold in stores, and there are fewer drug dealers, and less crime associated with them."

Then she said, "Well why stop there, do you think that people should be able to buy heroin or meth?" Me: "Pretty much. I believe in letting adults make their own decisions, and I don't like the jails being filled with nonviolent offenders, and I don't like the police having the power to say 'I think I smell pot' when you're pulled over and then you lose your 4th Amendment protection. Legalizing it reduces their power. And besides, I can provide tons of stats (thanks Malcolm) suggesting that alcohol is magnitudes more dangerous to society than is weed."

"Well I don't want to see pot stores all over the place like we saw in Canada." I said, "We saw one store, in an entertainment district. Did you really have a problem with it?" "Well.... no."

Why do you hate freedom, woman.

So, that was our 30 second conversation.

I guess these midterm elections are just all grayhairs. Thanks, lazy liberals who hate freedom.

Again, I'm 99% sure I'd never smoke it anyway, because I don't hang with that kind of crowd. But I think it should be legal, and I'd grow a few plants for the local teens to pillage as a show of goodwill (so they stay out of my fucking yard).

Posted by Stranger on Nov. 04 2015,06:53

I think in the end this issue didn't pass because of the "monopoly" factor. You say that word in the USA and people get pissed, for good reason too. It said right on the ballot "create a monopoly for marijuana growers" that alone, if nobody knew a thing about the situation would cause every red blooded American to vote down. I listened to radio shows with pot smokers calling in saying they were voting this down because of the monopoly factor and they will still get their smoke regardless.

Legalization is immanent, but it will have to be under the right terms. I guess ohioans voted right even if that makes me on the wrong side of things. I just liked that Ohio could have gotten a head start on surrounding states on this and had a huge tax influx. Since this would have been the only state this side of the Mississippi to legalize, people from surrounding states would surely come here to buy some. Yeah, it would have lined the pockets of the already rich, but I guess that didn't bother me as much as most people. Also, for my own selfish reason, I just liked the thought of going to a shop and picking out a nice bud for the weekend and enjoying it legally.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 04 2015,07:36

I don't live in Ohio so I couldn't vote on it, but I would have voted against it.

I say that while agreeing with basically everything Gordon and Stranger said.

It is the monopoly part that was bullshit and why most people shot it down. All you have to do is go back a few years when Ohio legalized casinos to see why last night's issue failed. The casino thing is one of the most corrupt pieces of legislation I've ever seen. Only ONE company is allowed to open casinos in Ohio, AND those casinos can only be located at specific street addresses in the 4 big cities, further enforcing their monopoly. People realized what they had voted in and were pissed. All the locations suck, and it's not what people wanted.

I think they saw issue 3 as the same bullshit.

I actually work with a stage 4 cancer patient who told me yesterday, "I could really use legal marijuana for my condition, but I can't get past what bullshit is contained in that issue."

Pot will be back on the ballot in the next election, but hopefully with less monopoly attached to it.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 04 2015,07:40

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Pot will be back on the ballot in the next election, but hopefully with less monopoly attached to it.

I'd like to believe that. But that'd require me to believe it's the one magical issue the gov't would treat properly. They will gouge you for your chems one way or the other.