Forum: Internet Links Topic: Walter James Palmer started by: Leisher Posted by Leisher on Jul. 28 2015,13:14
< Today's Biggest Douchebag on Planet Earth. >Read their "hunting" method. Real sporting you cocksuckers. I hope you all die in a fire. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 28 2015,13:18
QUOTE Later Tuesday, Palmer issued a statement that reads: “I hired several professional guides, and they secured all proper permits. To my knowledge, everything about this trip was legal and properly handled and conducted. You might want to verify your knowledge. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 28 2015,13:57
QUOTE According to the Star Tribune, Palmer was once convicted of poaching a bear in Wisconsin. Just in case you thought it was an accident. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 28 2015,14:42
Much as I hate the Communist Tribune, I actually have to support them here.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 29 2015,10:14
< Shitty apology offered >.QUOTE In 2008, Palmer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service about a black bear he shot and killed in Wisconsin outside of an authorized hunting zone, according to court documents. Ah, not just poaching but lying about poaching. QUOTE Palmer responded later Tuesday, saying in a statement that he "deeply" regretted the pursuit of the early July hunt in Zimbabwe that "resulted in the taking of this lion." He added that he "had no idea" Cecil the lion was a "known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study. I hired several professional guides and they secured all proper permits. To my knowledge, everything about this trip was legal and properly handled and conducted." You took down a lion with a crossbow and rifle and didn't notice the big-ass bright collar on it? QUOTE Though Palmer said in his Tuesday statement that he had "not been contacted by authorities in Zimbabwe or in the U.S. about this situation," the Associated Press reported that Zimbabwe police said they were looking for Palmer, who is facing poaching charges. Fucking liar. QUOTE "I hope your patients abandoned you and that you are never able to earn a living again so that you can no longer bankroll your lust for killing," a user by the name of Mike C. wrote on the page. That's a bit extreme, but he deserves every bit of negative backlash he gets, both personally and professionally. Posted by Vince on Jul. 29 2015,10:44
While I don't agree with how his guide went about this hunt, I was impressed that he was bow hunting a lion. Ethics of the manner of this hunt aside, that's pretty ballsy.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 29 2015,11:00
(Vince @ Jul. 29 2015,12:44) QUOTE While I don't agree with how his guide went about this hunt, I was impressed that he was bow hunting a lion. Ethics of the manner of this hunt aside, that's pretty ballsy. Bow hunting him from the safety of a motorized vehicle with plenty of dudes with rifles backing him up. It's the opposite of ballsy. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 29 2015,11:02
There is nothing ballsy about this hunt. This guy's a coward.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 29 2015,11:36
Yeah, if he was at least out there bow hunting without backup, that would be ballsy. He was trying to get a kill with a bow. He failed.
Posted by Vince on Jul. 29 2015,11:59
Shit, let me see you kill an alpha predator with a bow and arrow. I'm not talking about his hunting methods. Predator hunters are killed or injured more often than you'd think. Even in Africa where they have guides covering for them.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 29 2015,12:11
(Vince @ Jul. 29 2015,13:59) QUOTE Shit, let me see you kill an alpha predator with a bow and arrow. I'm not talking about his hunting methods. Predator hunters are killed or injured more often than you'd think. Even in Africa where they have guides covering for them. Give me a backup posse with semiautomatic weapons. I will guaran-goddamn-tee you I do better than this: QUOTE Cecil was allegedly lured off the protected park site, wounded with a bow and arrow, stalked for 40 hours, and then finally shot. He lured a solo lion out of a protected wildlife reserve to kill it in a half-assed manner. He didn't kill it with a bow. He got one arrow in, let it wander around in pain for almost two full days, then finally killed it with a gun. Hell, if he'd even gone out to the bush to look for one, I might give him something. As it is, this asshole walked into a zoo with no walls. Posted by Vince on Jul. 29 2015,12:22
Most hunters can take a shot at 40-60 yards depending on the hunter and their gear. If your hunt is ethical or unethical, a wild lion 50 yards away with nothing in between you and it is the same level of dangerous.I remember seeing one big game hunter had a large cat (forget what he was hunting) on him before his guides could get a bead on him. If I recall, he took a bullet from one of the guides as they were shooting the cat. He survived, but got pretty messed up. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 29 2015,12:28
Just because something's dangerous doesn't mean it's ballsy. The difference between balls and stupidity is context.Balls = a lion leaps out of nowhere and you let loose with your bow before it charges your jeep. Stupidity = you charter one of the most outrageously illegal hunting expeditions possible and do zero homework, taking over a day and a half to make the "kill." Posted by Vince on Jul. 29 2015,12:39
You are a philistine. As Albert Gibson pointed out to Harry Tasker in the documentary True Lies you can do something that is both ballsy AND stupid.Although I can probably be convinced that getting busted for doing something you know is illegal can immediately qualify one as stupid. ![]() Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 29 2015,13:01
QUOTE Although I can probably be convinced that getting busted for doing something you know is illegal can immediately qualify one as stupid. Lying, asshole pigs violated more laws than I did that day. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 29 2015,13:04
(Vince @ Jul. 29 2015,14:59) QUOTE Shit, let me see you kill an alpha predator with a bow and arrow. I'm not talking about his hunting methods. Predator hunters are killed or injured more often than you'd think. Even in Africa where they have guides covering for them. Fuck that I'd go out naked with a hunting knife and teeth and ambush that mother fucker. Posted by Vince on Jul. 29 2015,13:41
Well sure Gordo, but you're the Alpha male that other Alpha males Beta for.
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 29 2015,14:31
![]() Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 29 2015,14:37
Lions are one step above "endangered." It is kind of important not to kill them all so they don't end up like < this species >, which is extinct once the four remaining sterile members die off. Some people < have to be reminded > that just because you can be a dick to nature doesn't mean you should be.
Posted by Vince on Jul. 29 2015,14:54
I wonder if Jimmy Kimmel will cry < over this woman? >
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 29 2015,15:05
(Vince @ Jul. 29 2015,16:54) QUOTE I wonder if Jimmy Kimmel will cry < over this woman? > And the lion knew the dude? Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 29 2015,19:59
Turns out this pussy lives and works about 20 minutes from my apartment. Lots of protesters at his office today. He showed up and told them off. Allow me to summarize:QUOTE Fuck you all, you can't do anything to me. The worst you can do is make me retire early. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 29 2015,20:10
He seems contrite.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 29 2015,20:32
How do you trail something for over a day and a half before realizing it's fucking collared?
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 29 2015,21:02
QUOTE "I don't often talk about hunting with my patients because it can be a divisive and emotionally charged topic," he said in the letter to patients. "I understand and respect that not everyone shares the same views on hunting." What you did isn't hunting, Walt. QUOTE He had been accused of killing a bear outside his permitted zone and then hauling it back 40 miles (64 km) inside to register it with authorities. Hey hunters in the forum, is it even remotely possible to get 40 miles outside your boundaries and not know it with modern GPS tech? I've heard of people shooting deer and having them stumble a few hundred feet outside the area. Every single one of them knew they were outside because there are big-ass signs with equally big-ass letters to tell you. Dude deserves to be extradited but there's no way that'll happen. Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 30 2015,06:08
(Vince @ Jul. 29 2015,17:54) QUOTE I wonder if Jimmy Kimmel will cry < over this woman? > People are awfully upset about a lion, right? Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 30 2015,06:57
QUOTE Every single one of them knew they were outside because there are big-ass signs with equally big-ass letters to tell you. I bet there are fewer such signs once you get 40 miles away. Posted by Vince on Jul. 30 2015,07:19
(TheCatt @ Jul. 30 2015,08:08) QUOTE (Vince @ Jul. 29 2015,17:54) QUOTE I wonder if Jimmy Kimmel will cry < over this woman? > People are awfully upset about a lion, right? I don't want to be misunderstood. I don't have a problem with people being upset. A couple of things really bother me about this with the media. First, the press is telling us we should be outraged about this lion when there's not much we can do about it since this is a law enforcement issue in another country. The scum bag in the article I linked, we can do something about that sort of thing. Or at least we can take intelligent measures. The fact that our border patrol ordered the cops to let him go before his crime spree is a much better and useful reason to be outraged. The other thing that bothers me is that all trophy hunters are being painted with this same brush. Whether you agree with trophy hunting or not (I don't have any desire to do it, but if someone else wants to, that's fine), these hunters pay a lot of money that in turn pays for the anti-poaching efforts of the local authorities. Kenya manages their resources very well. So the reality is that there are a lot more lions because of trophy hunters rather than in spite of them. This doesn't get explained very well. Usually not at all. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 30 2015,07:45
I get what you're saying, and for the most part I agree. I see a lot of outrage against the trophy hunting, but personally I see more about this guy being a scumbag, luring it off the reservation, hiding the collar, covering his tracks, then lying about how he didn't know.Now. I don't know how I feel about peeps posting his personal info, and the mobs going after him. I have stated before that I don't agree with that practice, and it still applies even now when I feel the guy has it coming. Going after his livelihood = not cool. However, we have all decided here that there is a difference between a mob coming after you for speaking your mind, and the mob going after you for breaking the law by not baking that cake. This guy left the country for the purpose of committing a crime. Peeps get picked up coming back from Amsterdam for that all the time, so why isn't he already arrested? Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2015,07:55
QUOTE So the reality is that there are a lot more lions because of trophy hunters rather than in spite of them. The declining numbers of a fuckload of animal species indicate most "hunters" can most accurately be classified as poachers, otherwise there'd be a lot more ivory-bearing critters around. Dudes who play by the rules out there seem to be the exception and all the fees and shit they're paying aren't denting the problem. QUOTE I don't know how I feel about peeps posting his personal info... That's a bit out of line. QUOTE Going after his livelihood = not cool. No, fuck that noise. If you own a biz, your profit probably depends on people trusting you and wanting to give you cash for goods or services. If they think you're a prick, they won't. He brought the negative PR on himself with his bullshit safari. He had over a day and a half to notice the animal was collared and needed a vet. I have no sympathy for this ball-less pile of shit that walks and talks. Posted by Vince on Jul. 30 2015,08:33
(GORDON @ Jul. 30 2015,09:45) QUOTE This guy left the country for the purpose of committing a crime. Peeps get picked up coming back from Amsterdam for that all the time, so why isn't he already arrested? Zimbabwe might be asking that we hold off until they can prove he knowingly committed a crime rather than just hired the wrong hunting guide outfit. Like I said, these countries make a lot of money off rich tourists wanting to hunt these animals. Zimbabwe probably wants to make sure they don't end up with a reputation as a country that you just want to avoid for that due to "overzealous regulations and prosecutions" that throw rich Americans in third world jails. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2015,08:41
QUOTE Like I said, these countries make a lot of money off rich tourists wanting to hunt these animals. Maybe Walter should've done his goddamned homework. If I spend $50K on a car, I research the fuck out of it. Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 30 2015,08:43
I am mostly in agreement. Trophy hunting = fine when following the rules but so many aren't; this guy is a scumbag; public doxing is always uncool; if you are a business owner then PR is part of the job and if you piss off a mob then expect to go out of business and that's as it should be.QUOTE Peeps get picked up coming back from Amsterdam for that all the time, so why isn't he already arrested? That's because our government cares much more about drugs than lions. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2015,08:51
QUOTE According to the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force, a local charity, the hunt was illegal. Neither Bronkhorst nor the landowner, Honest Ndlovu, on whose property Cecil was believed to be shot had the appropriate permit for a lion. The two Zimbabweans were arrested by Zimbabwe police and accused of assisting Palmer in the killing. The two appeared in court at Victoria Falls and were charged with poaching offences for not having the required hunting permit. Both men were granted bail at US$1,000 each and have been ordered to appear back in court on 5 August. Palmer returned to the United States, then issued a statement that he "relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt" and "deeply regret that my pursuit of an activity I love and practice responsibly and legally resulted in the taking of this lion". If the local charity can quickly determine that your "hunt" is bullshit, then you, as a "big game hunter," didn't perform due diligence and should be held accountable for your reckless idiocy. Here's a tip, if a dude has to include "Honest" in his name, he's not. The activity that you love deeply is called poaching and your definition of "legal" is synonymous with "when I don't get caught." QUOTE Cecil became famous in Zimbabwe, and was identifiable by his black-fringed mane and a tracking collar. Your guides suck. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 30 2015,08:56
Found this via that FB news feed thing...Kat Von D of reality TV ink fame spoke up on this issue: QUOTE It’s hard for me to empathize with those of you who are upset about the recent killing of an innocent lion, yet choose to eat animals. The only difference between Cecil the lion, and all the animals killed for meat: NONE. The only difference between Dr. Walter Palmer, and those who consciously choose to eat meat: NONE. Regardless of all the lies our country’s FDA, medical industry, and media force upon us - it is our responsibility to seek out the truth for ourselves, and make life changes individually. Don’t tell me “I can’t live without my steak.” Don’t tell me “It’s hard because of [insert excuse here].” Don’t tell me “It’s good for your health” when Science has proven the opposite. Don’t lie to yourself that there is a “humane” way of killing a living being. As you can imagine, she is get DESTROYED by her fans. Apparently, she's a huge fan of wearing leather... Dumb bitch. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2015,09:00
Rumour is she's bipolar like a motherfucker.
Posted by Vince on Jul. 30 2015,09:50
(Leisher @ Jul. 30 2015,10:56) QUOTE Found this via that FB news feed thing... Kat Von D of reality TV ink fame spoke up on this issue: QUOTE It’s hard for me to empathize with those of you who are upset about the recent killing of an innocent lion, yet choose to eat animals. The only difference between Cecil the lion, and all the animals killed for meat: NONE. The only difference between Dr. Walter Palmer, and those who consciously choose to eat meat: NONE. Regardless of all the lies our country’s FDA, medical industry, and media force upon us - it is our responsibility to seek out the truth for ourselves, and make life changes individually. Don’t tell me “I can’t live without my steak.” Don’t tell me “It’s hard because of [insert excuse here].” Don’t tell me “It’s good for your health” when Science has proven the opposite. Don’t lie to yourself that there is a “humane” way of killing a living being. As you can imagine, she is get DESTROYED by her fans. Apparently, she's a huge fan of wearing leather... Dumb bitch. Awesome! Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2015,12:01
< Investigation into > possible breach of US law.QUOTE The source said the service is investigating the killing under the Lacey Act, a U.S. law that bars trading in wildlife that has been illegally killed, transported or sold.
The investigation is focused on whether Walter Palmer, a dentist in suburban Minneapolis, was involved in a conspiracy to violate the act, the source said. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 30 2015,12:09
(Malcolm @ Jul. 30 2015,11:51) QUOTE Here's a tip, if a dude has to include "Honest" in his name, he's not. My guess is that's his birth name. Former colonial countries sometimes latch on to interesting words from their former colonizers. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 30 2015,12:11
As for Kat Von D, I will cut her a little slack. She's basically calling meat-eaters hypocrites, which is pretty much true, even though she also got called out for her leather. Oopsies, that counts, too. But again, she is mistaking the use of an animal that exists solely to become food, and an animal that was on protected land. No moral ambiguity, there.,,, but honestly, I don't expect her to be a deep thinker.
Posted by Vince on Jul. 30 2015,13:14
Hmmm... this might have happened because the government of Zimbabwe < doesn't really give a shit. >QUOTE "What lion?" acting information minister Prisca Mupfumira asked in response to a request for comment about Cecil, who was at that moment topping global news bulletins and generating reams of abuse for his killer on websites in the United States and Europe. The media is engaging in misdirection again and folks are lapping it up. THAT is why Trump is popular. He refuses to play their game. QUOTE "Why are the Americans more concerned than us?" said Joseph Mabuwa, a 33-year-old father-of-two cleaning his car in the center of the capital. "We never hear them speak out when villagers are killed by lions and elephants in Hwange."
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2015,14:13
< Petition to extradite >.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2015,14:22
QUOTE "Why are the Americans more concerned than us?" said Joseph Mabuwa, a 33-year-old father-of-two cleaning his car in the center of the capital. "We never hear them speak out when villagers are killed by lions and elephants in Hwange." A) You have guns, lions don't. B) Your habitat has expanded a shitload over the past few hundred years. The lion habitat has dropped exponentially. C) Let's check the number of people killed by big fauna in Africa versus < the flip side >. Now, let's take into account how many people probably decided to get a fucking selfie with some huge beast or something equally stupid. There is no animal in the world that makes a regular meal of humans. Occasionally, individual members of a species will, but usually because they're sick or disabled and can't hunt the normal prey. D) Zimbabwe has one of the most corrupt governments in modern history. If it's not directly handing them money or guns, they don't know what something is. They treat their elephant population like an ivory farm so they can finance their despotic regime under the thin veil of democracy. Mugabe is a mass-murdering dictator that stays in power by silencing and killing his opposition. QUOTE In fact, Bloomberg reports, Zimbabwe requested in July 2014 to reverse the U.S. import ban on its ivory and continues to promote an elephant-hunting industry that generates $14 million a year and that it says is necessary to upkeep nature reserves and control the population. But Hwange National Park, where about half of the country’s elephants live (and which Cecil called home for 13 years) was the site of what the Telegraph called “the worst single massacre in southern African for 25 years” in 2013, when hunters after elephant tusks — a set of which can fetch up to $16,000 on the black market across the border in South Africa — poisoned watering holes with cyanide, killing as many as 300 elephants, many with their calves by their sides.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2015,15:28
The great white hunter is ducking all attempts to contact him, even from US gov't offices. Estimates say Cecil generated $100k per year in tourism.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 30 2015,15:41
Must have retired early.
Posted by Vince on Jul. 31 2015,06:48
(Malcolm @ Jul. 30 2015,17:28) QUOTE Estimates say Cecil generated $100k per year in tourism. He generated over $50k in just two days. Beat his own previous record and went out on a win! And that's not counting all the donations to the park that his death has generated. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 31 2015,07:13
QUOTE "Why are the Americans more concerned than us?" said Joseph Mabuwa, a 33-year-old father-of-two cleaning his car in the center of the capital. "We never hear them speak out when villagers are killed by lions and elephants in Hwange." Humans are a dime a dozen and growing in number daily. There's a lot fewer lions. Even fewer that get along with humans. And to be fair, I typically don't get worked up over any sort of hunting. I defend hunting. I'm been hunting, and yes, I've killed. This hunt, however, was the act of criminals and cowards. There was nothing "ballsy" about luring an animal off protected lands, injuring it, letting it slowly bleed out for 40 hours, and then finally killing it. I'd feel that way if it was a deer, let alone a lion. These assholes knew exactly what they were doing. I have a personal bias against the killing of any endangered animal. I think if you hunt tigers, lions, elephants, rhinos, etc. then you're an asshole. Especially if you're hunting them from cars, luring what is basically a domesticated animal, and other bullshit. There's no sport in that, you're just killing something because your dick is small. I harbor the same disgust for Asian people who need to murder tigers, sharks, etc. because they can't get their dicks hard. Any hunter worth a damn has a love and respect for nature. Nothing about this kill respected the animal. Fuck this guy and everyone that was with him. Posted by Vince on Jul. 31 2015,07:27
The more this story goes on the more I seriously don't care. I don't wish to see lions extinct, but if they disappear it will not impact my day to day life at all. There's a lot of shit happening right now that will impact our lives potentially for the rest of our lives, and your children's lives. This isn't one of them. It's all bread and circuses.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 31 2015,07:36
QUOTE There's a lot of shit happening right now that will impact our lives potentially for the rest of our lives, and your children's lives. This isn't one of them. You are aware that all the new painkillers which aren't opiate-based have been derived from an animal, right? Along with a shitload of other medicine. You never know when a live lion might be useful to science. And since we haven't figured out how to make them yet... QUOTE You want a miracle? *You* make a fish from scratch. You can't. You think only God can make a tree? Try coming up with a mackerel. And when the last one's gone, that'll be that.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 31 2015,07:59
< Zimbabwe not happy >.QUOTE The American dentist who killed Cecil the lion was a "foreign poacher" who paid for an illegal hunt and he should be extradited to Zimbabwe to face justice, environment minister Oppah Muchinguri said on Friday. In Harare's first official comments since Cecil's killing grabbed world headlines this week, Muchinguri said the Prosecutor General had already started the process to have 55-year-old Walter Palmer extradited from the United States. Sounds like they give a fuck now. Posted by Vince on Jul. 31 2015,08:49
(Leisher @ Jul. 31 2015,09:13) QUOTE QUOTE "Why are the Americans more concerned than us?" said Joseph Mabuwa, a 33-year-old father-of-two cleaning his car in the center of the capital. "We never hear them speak out when villagers are killed by lions and elephants in Hwange." Humans are a dime a dozen and growing in number daily. There's a lot fewer lions. Even fewer that get along with humans. #blacklivesmatter you racist Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 31 2015,09:31
(Vince @ Jul. 31 2015,08:48) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Jul. 30 2015,17:28) QUOTE Estimates say Cecil generated $100k per year in tourism. He generated over $50k in just two days. Beat his own previous record and went out on a win! And that's not counting all the donations to the park that his death has generated. I'm betting the park would like their $100K/year and their iconic attraction back. Asshole's being ostracized from the hunting community. QUOTE Safari Club International responded by suspending both Walter Palmer's and his guide's memberships, stating that "those who intentionally take wildlife illegally should be prosecuted and punished to the maximum extent allowed by law." Asshole still won't admit he's a poacher. QUOTE "The media interest in this matter — along with a substantial number of comments and calls from people who are angered by this situation and by the practice of hunting in general — has disrupted our business and our ability to see our patients," Palmer wrote. Yeah, Walt, they're mad about hunting in general, you fucking cunt. QUOTE Palmer, said to be capable of skewering a playing card from 100 yards with his compound bow, has cultivated a purist’s reputation for his disinclination to carry firearms as backup. Learning to shoot at age 5, he has Fixed. His aim sucks so hard, it took him 40 hours to land a kill shot. By the by... QUOTE To gain inclusion, archers must adhere to an ethical code known as Fair Chase, which bans the use of power vehicles, spotlights and other modern contrivances. I wonder if a jeep counts as a "modern contrivance." Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 31 2015,15:27
< Numbers >.QUOTE A century ago, an estimated 200,000 lions roamed across Africa, according to National Geographic. Today there are fewer than 30,000. Human population of Africa about 1900: ~133 million Human population of Africa now: 1.1 billion One species is clearly winning. If big game wasn't poached to extinction over there, losing the odd varmint wouldn't matter much. But they are. QUOTE Twenty-five years ago South Sudan’s elephant population was 130,000. Today there are only 5,000 left. That's why when you go to hunt that shit today, you check every motherfucking detail ten times over precisely so you don't cause an international incident. I know you might enjoy hunting and shooting with guns or bows and whatnot. Fine. For fuck's sake, though, can't you find a species we're not already unceremoniously bouncing out of existence like a group of dumb-ass frat boys? I don't want nature to get to the point where it has as much variety as your average radio station. Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 31 2015,19:36
![]() Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 01 2015,09:58
< Extradition looking more > likely.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 01 2015,10:14
< Most incompetent > hunting guide in the world hired. You'd think such an "experienced" type of guy like Walt would have put two and two together.QUOTE We set off quite late, with the sun down, and found the carcass of an elephant which we dragged and moved into the long grass and used for bait,” he said. “We then established the ‘tree blind’ [a camouflaged hide made of tree branches and grass]. ... “The client then fired using a bow and arrow, and it went away into the long grass. This was about 10 pm.” ... “We got there about 9am, and we found it and it was wounded, and the client then shot it, with his bow and arrow, and killed it.” It was then the hunters went over to it, and saw it had a collar. Ah well, protected and collared lions wandering into your hunting area? Wow, what are the odds? QUOTE The land on which Cecil was shot was a farm called Antoinette, which borders Hwange national park. It is currently occupied by Honest Ndlovu – who appeared in court alongside Mr Bronkhorst on Wednesday, but has not been charged with illegal hunting. Let's get this straight: QUOTE “When Dr Palmer arrived in Bulawayo, his luggage was missing and I was dashing around looking for it. So we were late getting ready to go,” he said. “And we were never meant to hunt on the land where this lion was shot. At the last minute I had to divert from a concession [hunting area] about eight miles away.” You had a late start to your day and decided to half-ass the necessary preparations and sanity checks. You then hunted on land directly adjacent to a protected wildlife reserve, home to the sorts of species you're interested in bagging. You effectively chum the Savannah, hoping to find something. You stay out until visibility is shitty. You decide, "Eh, what the fuck," and shoot anyhow, in spite of the fact that if you don't one-hit it, you aren't getting another chance until daylight. Then, instead of IMMEDIATELY reporting your colossal fuck up, you compound it. QUOTE “I should have taken it to Parks [the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlfe Management Authority], I admit that. So we did what had to be done. We took the head and skin, as the client had paid for the trophy. There's no way in hell some voice inside Walt's headed wasn't going, "Hey, this is, uh, kind of shady." If this is what this asshole considers "hunting," he shouldn't be allowed a license for the rest of his life. Both these fuckers, even after they knew for a stone cold fact that they'd killed something off limits, just kept right on going along because someone forked out $50K, goddamnit, and they WILL get their fucking trophy. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 03 2015,11:20
< Another >?QUOTE Zimbabwe's National Parks and Wildlife Management Authority accused Jan Casimir Seski of Murrysville, Pennsylvania, of shooting the lion with a bow and arrow in April near Hwange National Park, without approval, on land where it was not allowed, according to The Associated Press.
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 03 2015,17:36
QUOTE I have a personal bias against the killing of any endangered animal. I think if you hunt tigers, lions, elephants, rhinos, etc. then you're an asshole. Personally I'm okay with anything being huntable in the wild, but the balance of power should be tipped against the hunter the more endangered the species is. At the lion's level of endangered it should be a hunting knife and basic clothing. If you want to hunt a white rhino you have to so do naked and with no weapons. Good luck! Posted by Leisher on Aug. 03 2015,19:40
(TPRJones @ Aug. 03 2015,20:36) QUOTE QUOTE I have a personal bias against the killing of any endangered animal. I think if you hunt tigers, lions, elephants, rhinos, etc. then you're an asshole. Personally I'm okay with anything being huntable in the wild, but the balance of power should be tipped against the hunter the more endangered the species is. At the lion's level of endangered it should be a hunting knife and basic clothing. If you want to hunt a white rhino you have to so do naked and with no weapons. Good luck! Love this idea. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 04 2015,07:10
(Leisher @ Aug. 03 2015,21:40) QUOTE (TPRJones @ Aug. 03 2015,20:36) QUOTE QUOTE I have a personal bias against the killing of any endangered animal. I think if you hunt tigers, lions, elephants, rhinos, etc. then you're an asshole. Personally I'm okay with anything being huntable in the wild, but the balance of power should be tipped against the hunter the more endangered the species is. At the lion's level of endangered it should be a hunting knife and basic clothing. If you want to hunt a white rhino you have to so do naked and with no weapons. Good luck! Love this idea. Not enough. Hunting endangered or near endangered species means that dudes with guns are out hunting you during that time as well. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 18 2015,10:06
< Land owner charged >.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 07 2015,09:00
< World's pussiest hunter > offers craptacular apology and returns to work.QUOTE The hunters also tried to destroy the GPS collar that Cecil was wearing as part of research backed by Oxford University, according to the conservation group. You're sorry you got caught, you lying shithead. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 07 2015,19:41
If he was actually taunting the angry mob with "Ha ha nothing will happen I'll just retire early," then he has no ambiguous feelings about it. He may have no feeling about it at all, it's just something he has to deal with in which to protect his income source.
Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 08 2015,09:16
I'm almost certain he doesn't think he did anything wrong, and probably believes that only the far left wing tree-hugging liberal nutjobs are upset with him. He doesn't give too much of a crap about them so his apology to them is crap, just enough to try to appease because he believes any normal person is on his side in this but is afraid to say so.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 08 2015,09:28
(TPRJones @ Sep. 08 2015,11:16) QUOTE I'm almost certain he doesn't think he did anything wrong, and probably believes that only the far left wing tree-hugging liberal nutjobs are upset with him. He doesn't give too much of a crap about them so his apology to them is crap, just enough to try to appease because he believes any normal person is on his side in this but is afraid to say so. Ah, Lance Armstrong syndrome. Posted by Vince on Feb. 24 2016,05:25
< ‘Cecil effect’: Zimbabwe park may kill 200 lions as discouraged hunters result in over-population >When people living in the city that have no idea of how nature (or conservation) works start weighing in on things they are ignorant about. News flash... watching The Lion King probably makes you less qualified to manage African wildlife. Not more qualified. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 24 2016,05:52
Funny to think as lions as big pests like we think of deer here east of the Mississippi. I'm kind of glad deer only try to wreck your cars instead of stalking you from your yard if you forget to mow, trying to eat you. Honestly, never having paid attention to the issue, when the story first broke I thought lions were endangered. I am now corrected. I would eat a lion steak. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 24 2016,06:29
QUOTE News flash... watching The Lion King probably makes you less qualified to manage African wildlife. Not more qualified. I often wonder if the average three year old would believe you can walk up to a polar bear in real life and it'll just give you a Coke or something. QUOTE I'm kind of glad deer only try to wreck your cars instead of stalking you from your yard if you forget to mow, trying to eat you. Yeah, deer are pussies, but those rabbits... Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 24 2016,07:09
QUOTE However, Leathem stressed that his institution lacks both the offers and funds to relocate the animals so far. “If anyone knows of a suitable habitat for them where they will not land up in human conflict, or in wildlife areas where they will not be beaten up because of existing prides, please let us know and help us raise the money to move them,” he said. So that's why "let them go in the wild" isn't an option. |