Topic: Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue
started by: Leisher
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 06 2015,06:19
< Featuring first ever plus sized model. >I've got to say I have a problem with this move. I know, I know that makes me an asshole and I'm against female rights and I don't know what a real woman is and yada yada yada.
Horseshit. That's all smoke and mirrors thrown out to distract from the real issue at hand.
I do agree that plus sized models should be used in advertising more often because most woman aren't size 0. It makes sense to cater to your audience and your audience eats more than a Chiclet for dinner.
That being said, the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue is supposed to be a celebration of women who are "ideal", not "what a real woman looks like". They're supposed to represent a goal that woman could strive for, not placate them and help them quit once they kinda, sorta look ok.
This is nothing more than Sports Illustrated lowering the bar.
I'm not trying to be insulting to the woman in the layout, but I'd describe her body as "sloppy". Normally, I never would, but in this particular setting where athletes in peak physical condition are celebrated, she's way out of shape and it's NOT ok.
I see women all over FB praising this move and saying it's about time. Really? Is there anyone on the planet more hypocritical than women who are crazy vocal about this issue? They're the same ones who stood in line to see Magic Mike on opening night. And that's part of the issue too. There is no movement by these same women claiming they want to see male models with "real bodies". I don't see Kevin James getting put into Magic Mike unless they are going to mock him.
Don't drag down society's standards because you can't achieve them. Admit that the majority of women can't get to that level of fitness because of real life. They work, they're older, they don't have time to work out, they have kids, far more important things to do, don't have the right genetics, yada, yada, yada. That's not mocking, that's all TRUE. Men know this to be true.
A woman doesn't have to be a size 0 to be beautiful, but we certainly shouldn't be celebrating mediocrity as if it's the pinnacle of female fitness.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 06 2015,07:00
SI isn't really including her. She's an ad.QUOTE
For the first time ever, the magazine will include a plus-size model — in a paid advertisement.
My wife and I were kinda talking about this last night. Apparently 50 to 60 years ago, the average woman was 25" waist (size 2/4?), and now the average is 34".
Maybe they should shut their mouths? (Both to shut up, and to stop shoveling crap into their pie holes).
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To this point, the average American woman in the 1950s had a 25 inch waist compared to Monroe’s 22 inches. Whereas today, the average American woman has a waist size of 34 inches, so the gap between the models and “average” was much less pronounced then.
< Stop getting fat, America. >
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 06 2015,07:32
If it's just an ad, I withdraw any bad feelings about SI for making this move, but my sentiment remains valid. Read that article though, they really don't make it clear that she's not part of the actual issue. In fact, it seems like they're doing that on purpose. Plus, every shot is technically an ad as they always list who made the suit and the cost of it.
A quote from the < etonline article >:
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The ad is part of a new swimsuitsforall campaign, #CurvesinBikinis, that aims to help celebrate the beginnings of the ‘Curvy Girl Era’ and to help women feel confident and sexy in any swimsuit.
Otherwise known as the "The hottest chicks ride rascals" era.
What we need is a "Take responsibility for yourself" era.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 06 2015,07:47
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What we need is a "Take responsibility for yourself" era.
Go back to the '20s before Prohibition. This country is full of people that think their purpose and right in life is taking it for others.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 06 2015,08:08
I wouldn't even think twice.. I'd hit it.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 06 2015,08:13
(Stranger @ Feb. 06 2015,11:08)
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I wouldn't even think twice.. I'd hit it.
To be fair, I could have posted a picture of Honey Boo Boo's mom and you'd say that.
Musicians are exempt from determining what "hot" is because you guys fucking everything.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 06 2015,08:18
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Musicians are exempt from determining what "hot" is because you guys fucking everything.
Maybe its because I'm getting older, but I don't find her sloppy or fat at all. I think she's hot and i'll say it again, I would.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 06 2015,08:18
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Musicians are exempt from determining what "hot" is because you guys fucking everything.
Most successful musicians have a decent enough trophy wife.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 06 2015,08:31
(Stranger @ Feb. 06 2015,11:18)
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Musicians are exempt from determining what "hot" is because you guys fucking everything.
Maybe its because I'm getting older, but I don't find her sloppy or fat at all. I think she's hot and i'll say it again, I would.
I'm not implying she wouldn't be a good fuck or shouldn't feel sexy if she feels confident.
I'm saying for a model, specifically where they're putting her, she looks sloppy. I've seen other plus sized models, and they were much tighter. She looks like she does nothing about her physical appearance, and I'm not sure that's the message we should be teaching people.
Posted by Stranger on Feb. 06 2015,08:38
...And Gordon would too
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 06 2015,08:43
(Stranger @ Feb. 06 2015,11:38)
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...And Gordon would too
Wait, you just confused me. I thought we were talking about the woman in the bikini, not the guy is the suit behind her.
Posted by Vince on Feb. 06 2015,09:48
They're developing a fat mafia that's modeling itself and its tactics after the gay mafia. If you don't accept them as readily as a not-fat person, you're a bigot and body shaming. If you're not fat and highlight your firm figure, you're abusing young girls and are a bigot. If you don't celebrate their plumpness, you're a bigot.... and you damned well better not refuse to bake them a cake... ;-)
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 06 2015,09:59
The freedom to be fat seems to go with many of the other things the first amendment guarantees. Aside from rare conditions, your body mass is under your control at least as much as the belief system you pick.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 06 2015,17:33
< Here's the REAL plus sized model being used in Sports Illustrated. >And yes, I'm ok with her being in it.
There's a huge difference between a woman who clearly takes care of herself, even if she's not size 0 and one who doesn't do anything, like the one in the ad.
One should be used for whatever issue or ad you want. The other shouldn't be used to promote a bullshit agenda. Particularly in a nation where obesity is the number one killer.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 06 2015,17:44
Would. The original one, I mean.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 06 2015,17:50
It save us all time if you'd just point out the ones you wouldn't.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 06 2015,18:03
There are plenty I wouldn't. I just don't happen to think that woman is unattractive, and I typically dislike overweight chicks. She just carries it well, as far as I can tell from a single still image.Would still prefer to be the filling in a Mila Kunis/Gordo/Natalie Portman oreo cookie.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 06 2015,19:03
Would not: the original one.Would: the latter.
Although, Robyn's a bit of a special case, I mean she's 6'2". She's not plus-sized like fat, she's just a large person.
Posted by Vince on Feb. 06 2015,19:25
I agree that the one in the ad carries it well.