Forum: Internet Links
Topic: Terrorists attack satire newspaper
started by: Leisher

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 07 2015,06:13
< After they created images of Muhammed. >

12 people dead because certain people think their religion is so beyond reproach that nobody can tease them about it.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 07 2015,10:43

Posted by Paul on Jan. 07 2015,11:24
< The Onion's response > (NSFW)
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 07 2015,13:32

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 07 2015,15:55
< Traditional news agencies won't show the images. >

But some new media agencies will

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But in the aftermath of the attack, a number of popular news websites decided to show some of the French magazine's provocative covers, including a 2011 image of Mohammed.
Among them: BuzzFeed, Business Insider, The Huffington Post, Gawker and The Daily Beast.
On Wednesday morning, The Daily Beast updated a slide show it originally published in 2011, featuring 16 of the most "shocking" Charlie Hebdo covers.
Daily Beast executive editor Noah Shachtman said there was "zero hesitation" to run the slide show. For one, he said, the images had inherent news value. But the decision to publish the covers was more than that: It was "a show of solidarity."

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 07 2015,15:55
< 1 dead 2 captured. >
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 07 2015,17:49
CNN tells employes not to show cartoons of "The Prophet."

< http://hotair.com/archive....prophet >

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 07 2015,18:14

(GORDON @ Jan. 07 2015,19:49)
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CNN tells employes not to show cartoons of "The Prophet."

< http://hotair.com/archive....prophet >

Hope someone points this out next time I hear news outlets described as "bold."
Posted by Paul on Jan. 07 2015,20:18

(TheCatt @ Jan. 07 2015,13:43)
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From Reddit:
< Muzzammil Hassan, the founder of a TV network designed to combat negative stereotypes of Muslims, beheaded his wife because she filed for divorce >

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 07 2015,21:06

(TheCatt @ Jan. 07 2015,18:55)
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< 1 dead 2 captured. >

< Nevermind >

Latest word is 1 turned himself in, and two are still missing.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 08 2015,05:52
The Onion is taking a curiously strong position about radical islam, this time.

< http://www.theonion.com/article....v,37715 >

Posted by Vince on Jan. 08 2015,06:58
The attacked French paper was a satire newspaper.  Kind of France's Onion.  Makes sense they'd take a strong stand.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 08 2015,07:29
Drop him in the middle of Jerusalem in a Nazi uniform and let nature take its course.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 08 2015,07:38

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 08 2015,08:03

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 08 2015,10:09
< Cartoonists respond. >
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 08 2015,10:33
< President of the Catholic League sides with the terrorists. >

As part of his defense he proclaims they brought the attack upon themselves with their offensive cartoons, including:
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a whole array of images mocking pedophilia by priests.


Yes, because mocking pedophilia by priests is much worse and deserving of a violent response than actual pedophilia by priests and covering it up.

Fuck you Bill Donohue.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 08 2015,11:07
If god struck that fucker down with lightning right now, I might go to church.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 08 2015,11:12
< Muslim Cleric in UK also sides with the terrorists. >

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Contrary to popular misconception, Islam does not mean peace but rather means submission to the commands of Allah alone. Therefore, Muslims do not believe in the concept of freedom of expression, as their speech and actions are determined by divine revelation and not based on people's desires.
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Muslims consider the honor of the Prophet Muhammad to be dearer to them than that of their parents or even themselves. To defend it is considered to be an obligation upon them. The strict punishment if found guilty of this crime under sharia (Islamic law) is capital punishment implementable by an Islamic State. This is because the Messenger Muhammad said, "Whoever insults a Prophet kill him."

However, because the honor of the Prophet is something which all Muslims want to defend, many will take the law into their own hands, as we often see.

Within liberal democracies, freedom of expression has curtailments, such as laws against incitement and hatred.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 08 2015,11:21
Well, that's why people think they are crazy.  Nice to see one of them admit it now and then.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 08 2015,11:25

(TheCatt @ Jan. 08 2015,14:12)
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< Muslim Cleric in UK also sides with the terrorists. >

I've heard that guy described as "their Al Sharpton".
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 08 2015,11:30
< Bill Maher >

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Maher called for a complete condemnation of the attack, and broadened his view to the dangers of all religion.

“We have to stop saying when something like this that happened in Paris today, we have to stop saying, well, we should not insult a great religion,” Maher said. “First of all, there are no great religions; they’re all stupid and dangerous. And we should insult them, and we should be able to insult whatever we want. That is what free speech is like.”

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 08 2015,12:10
As if religion has a monopoly on making people stupid.  When your brain's a bomb, one spark ignites the fuse as good as any other.  This is no different than gang members killing someone on their turf for wearing the wrong colours.  Actually, I take that back.  The Crips don't claim a divine origin.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 08 2015,12:29

(Malcolm @ Jan. 08 2015,15:10)
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This is no different than gang members killing someone on their turf for wearing the wrong colours.  Actually, I take that back.  The Crips don't claim a divine origin.

It is different.

You could say bad things about gangs.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 08 2015,12:37

(TheCatt @ Jan. 08 2015,14:29)
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You could say bad things about gangs.

Sure, when the gang members aren't around or listening.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 08 2015,12:48
The first minister was the first scoundrel who met the first fool.

One may be so inclined to be a psycho, but the seed usually has to be nurtured.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 08 2015,12:56
Psychosis needs little encouragement.  It needs redirection.


Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 08 2015,14:20
< Muslims condemn killings >

Although, the problem I have is with statements like this
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Muslim leaders and activists immediately denounced the terrorists actions, reiterating the verse in the Quran that tells Muslims when one kills just one innocent person, it is as if he has killed all of humanity.

All a Muslim has to do is decide that the person wasn't innocent.   I mean, these people defiled Muahammad!

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 08 2015,14:28
I'm noticing these are the leaders and activists that inhabit first-world countries.  Put your balls on the line and go after the Morlocks, you pussy Eloi.  Get your house's shit in order or move to a new address.  Your roommates are getting out of hand.


Posted by Paul on Jan. 08 2015,15:27

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 08 2015,17:43

(Leisher @ Jan. 08 2015,14:25)
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(TheCatt @ Jan. 08 2015,14:12)
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< Muslim Cleric in UK also sides with the terrorists. >

I've heard that guy described as "their Al Sharpton".

< Hannity talks to that guy >
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 09 2015,09:03
If I understand this article correctly, < the two brothers are dead, and is another hostage-taker who sympathized with them in a separate location/incident. >
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 09 2015,09:04
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France’s ambassador to the United States, Gerard Araud, said on his Twitter account: “The kosher supermarket has been stormed. The terrorist is dead. The hostages are alive.”

Araud also reported that the two brothers were dead and their lone hostage alive after the police assault northeast of Paris.

“At least 12 hostages are free and safe from the grocery store, but there were more hostages than initially thought,” said Christophe Tirante, a senior police official. “Now it’s not clear how many wounded there are inside the store.”

The raid came right at sundown, starting with three loud explosions. A short pause was followed by 30 seconds of sustained explosions and gunfire. The operation came without apparent warning. Amid the blasts, police manning a cordon several blocks away ordered bystanders to move farther back from the site, and parents shepherded screaming children into the shelter of nearby doorways.

Police said the gunman who took hostages inside the store in eastern Paris had links to the two brothers. They also blamed the hostage-taker for the murder Thursday of a French policewoman who was gunned down during an unrelated traffic stop on a Paris street, news agencies reported.

The gunman, identified by police as Amedy Coulibaly, 32, threatened to kill hostages in the kosher store if police stormed a commercial building in Dammartin-en-Goele, about 25 miles northeast of Paris, where the armed brothers suspected in the newspaper massacre were reported to be holed up with at least one hostage, the Associated Press reported.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 09 2015,12:00
< Anonymous declares war on Islamic Extremists. >

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The video is described as a message for "al Qaeda, the Islamic State and other terrorists," and promises to avenge the killing of 12 people in Wednesday's attack.
"We intend to take revenge in their name, we are going to survey your activities on the net, we are going to shut down your accounts on all social networks," Anonymous said.


Ummm.  Worst vengeance evar.

Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 09 2015,12:12
There's only so much that can be done from a suburban household.  On a school night.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 09 2015,16:43
< BBC decides to show Muhammad after all >
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 10 2015,09:31
< France declares war on radical Islam >

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Prime Minister Manuel Valls declared Saturday that France was at war with radical Islam after the harrowing sieges that had led to the deaths of three gunmen and four hostages the day before, and as the authorities mounted a frantic hunt for a suspected accomplice.

“It is a war against terrorism, against jihadism, against radical Islam, against everything that is aimed at breaking fraternity, freedom, solidarity,” Mr. Valls said during a speech in Évry, south of Paris.


Yes, France: It is a war.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 10 2015,10:51
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“I hope things will change,” she said. “People shouldn’t cling to religion too much, because that leads to war.”

Fail.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 11 2015,21:04
< I wonder what a real Anonymous / jihadist war would look like. >
Anonymous takes down first site.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 12 2015,06:44
< 40 world leaders gather in Paris to show resolve against terrorism. >

I heard (but did not read) this morning that the US was not represented due to "security concerns."  

Ummmm.  That was kinda the whole point.  "Dear terrorists, you've won.  Sincerely, - Obama."

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 12 2015,06:45
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On Sunday night, a White House official who asked not to be named added: "It is worth noting that the security requirements for both the President and (Vice President) can be distracting from events like this - for once this event is not about us!" The official did not address how other prominent world leaders were able to work around the security requirements.


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British Prime Minister David Cameron, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov were among those who attended, along with religious leaders.


Good job, US.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 12 2015,16:17


"All is forgiven"

I like his penis hat.



Posted by GORDON on Jan. 13 2015,08:11
The Muslim mayor of Rotterdam tells immigrants to "fuck off" if they don't like western freedoms.

< http://www.jammiewf.com/2015....-beings >

Posted by Vince on Jan. 13 2015,08:49
I like that mayor
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 13 2015,08:58
I saw someone called the muslim "no-go" zones in various cities in Europe "colonies."
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 15 2015,06:46
< The "cool" pope takes a HUGE step backwards. >
Posted by Vince on Jan. 15 2015,07:12
He's a Jesuit and they are pretty much socialists and collectivists.  So I'm not shocked.

A coworker that's an atheist was talking a few weeks ago and stated. "You know, the third promise of Fatima said that the pope after John Paul was going to be the last pope of the Catholic church.  And this one is starting to turn the church into something other than the Catholic church I recognize."

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 15 2015,07:17
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Francis spoke about the Paris terror attacks while en route to the Philippines, defending free speech as not only a fundamental human right but a duty to speak one's mind for the sake of the common good.
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"You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others."
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But recently the Vatican and four prominent French imams issued a joint declaration that denounced the attacks but also urged the media to treat religions with respect.

Francis insisted that it was an "aberration" to kill in the name of God and said religion can never be used to justify violence.

But he said there was a limit to free speech when it concerned offending someone's religious beliefs.

So a fundamental human right has to yield to religion?  No.  Hell no.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 15 2015,07:52
Have none of these people ever heard the expression, "Your right to swing your fists ends at the tip of my nose?"  Is it really that hard of a concept to grasp?

Muslims have the right to say whatever they want about people insulting their religion, but murder is still one of our most heinous crimes.  How can this even be discussed?  How can anyone be so morally ignorant that they think there is something TO discuss?

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 15 2015,08:06
Was watching Bill Mahr's HBO show last week because he had Rushdie on it.  He said, "There are a lot of people who believe you can say what you want, and then they say 'but'..."

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But he said there was a limit to free speech when it concerned offending someone's religious beliefs.

Go fuck yourself, pope asshole.

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You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.

Yes, you can.  If someone's faith is so fragile that it can't stand mockery, then it's a shallow and worthless attempt to justify otherwise psychotic behaviour.  It is not a free pass to bring down the wrath of your god(s) on someone.



Posted by GORDON on Jan. 15 2015,08:28
There are very few absolutes when it comes to politics and religion and anything else, but this is one of them: you can't kill, harm, rape, or maim people because they hurt your feelings when they insulted your fucking religious figure.  Ever.  It is never ok.  It makes you an animal, and you need to be put down as such because we are trying to have a society, here.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 15 2015,08:41
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you can't kill, harm, rape, or maim people because they hurt your feelings when they insulted your fucking religious figure

That used to be normal and expected behaviour according to "society."  Back hundreds of years ago.  < Some people > really like that, though.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 15 2015,10:47
< Liam > talks.

GORDON edit - oops, edit is not quote



Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 15 2015,10:56
< Something going on in Belgium.   >
Explosions, gunshots, people dead.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 15 2015,11:05

(Malcolm @ Jan. 15 2015,13:47)
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< Liam > talks.

GORDON edit - oops, edit is not quote

According to the article it sounds like only the correct people should be armed.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 15 2015,12:00

(TheCatt @ Jan. 15 2015,12:56)
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< Something going on in Belgium.   >
Explosions, gunshots, people dead.

< Raid >.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 15 2015,12:04
It would be fairly amusing to me if passive Europe actually got fed up with the immigrant bullshit and went all Germany/1938.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 15 2015,12:05

(GORDON @ Jan. 15 2015,14:04)
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It would be fairly amusing to me if passive Europe actually got fed up with the immigrant bullshit and went all Germany/1938.

That'd be entertaining just so I could watch the EU collapse.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 15 2015,12:07

(Malcolm @ Jan. 15 2015,15:05)
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(GORDON @ Jan. 15 2015,14:04)
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It would be fairly amusing to me if passive Europe actually got fed up with the immigrant bullshit and went all Germany/1938.

That'd be entertaining just so I could watch the EU collapse.

Then we'd have to be going to rallies to make sure Hillary keeps us out of it.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 18 2015,07:20
< 5 killed in riots by religion of peace. >  In Niger.

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"They offended our Prophet Mohammad, that's what we didn't like," said Amadou Abdoul Ouahab, who took part in the demonstrations.

Can't offend a dead person.

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The death toll from Friday's clashes in Niger's second largest city of Zinder rose to five after emergency services discovered a burned body inside a Catholic Church.

Residents said churches were burned, Christian homes looted and the French cultural center attacked. A police officer and three civilians had already been confirmed killed in the demonstrations, police sources said.



Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 18 2015,09:58
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"Those who pillage religious sites and profane them, those who persecute and kill their Christian compatriots or foreigners who live on our soil, have understood nothing of Islam," he said in a televised address.

The president added, however, that he shared the disgust of Muslims who felt offended by the caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad and that freedom of expression should not mean liberty to insult religious beliefs.

What a fucking tool.  I assume he was winking a great deal when he said the first half.



Posted by GORDON on Jan. 18 2015,09:59
First half english.  Second hand whatever gibberish they speak.  Pander to everybody.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 19 2015,06:23
< Headline: "42% of French people say that cartoons that offend Muslims shouldn't be published." >

Then, three paragraphs into the article:
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However, a majority – 57% of those asked – said magazines and papers should be free to continue publishing cartoons whatever the reaction.



Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 19 2015,07:09
(You typed "shouldn't be punished," I corrected it to "shouldn't be published.")

Those 42% are wrong.

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 19 2015,07:19
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(You typed "shouldn't be punished," I corrected it to "shouldn't be published.")


Thank you!

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 19 2015,09:01
5-10% of France is Muslim.  i wonder how they voted.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 19 2015,11:34
Of course! How could we all have missed who is really responsible?!




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