Forum: Internet Links Topic: Plan on sending your son to college? started by: GORDON Posted by GORDON on Oct. 30 2014,22:37
College environment for males is becoming increasingly hostile.< http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/197447/ > QUOTE Kangaroo courts. Why would anyone send a kid — especially a son — to institutions that would do this? Would you send a black kid to institutions with disciplinary manuals written by the KKK?
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 31 2014,10:01
Stop raising rapists.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 19 2014,20:12
< http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alan-de....2556312 >QUOTE “Harvard's policy was written by people who think sexual assault is so heinous a crime that even innocence is not a defense,” Dershowitz said.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 19 2014,20:34
QUOTE This began a pattern of the federal government using the issue and student loan money as leverage in order to affect college administrators' behavior. Would help if an education in this country wasn't fucking obscenely expensive. All the fun of paying off a mortgage without the troublesome burden of a house. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 20 2014,04:54
(Malcolm @ Nov. 19 2014,23:34) QUOTE QUOTE This began a pattern of the federal government using the issue and student loan money as leverage in order to affect college administrators' behavior. Would help if an education in this country wasn't fucking obscenely expensive. All the fun of paying off a mortgage without the troublesome burden of a house. It's expensive exactly because it is subsidized. Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 20 2014,10:57
It's expensive because there are twice as many administrators as people actually teaching classes at most colleges these days.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 20 2014,11:08
Which is because it is subsidized.Businesses charge what their customers can afford. Government-backed student loans mean their customers can afford a lot more than they used to. Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 20 2014,12:08
It's a feedback loop, both reasons are true. And sadly all those administrators are working 50 and 60 hour weeks because the reporting requirements keep piling up. They keep adding new things that must be done but none of the old things are ever taken away.It's just a mess. Actual teaching and education is getting lost in the mix. Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 20 2014,12:21
QUOTE Businesses charge what their customers can afford. Bullshit. Colleges charge way more than your typical teenager can afford. Nor are most colleges or universities run like a real biz. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 20 2014,12:33
(Malcolm @ Nov. 20 2014,15:21) QUOTE QUOTE Businesses charge what their customers can afford. Bullshit. Colleges charge way more than your typical teenager can afford. ..... which is why these students take out loans............ which is why college gets more expensive..... ![]() And I haven't been able to find a good graph showing student loan debt, but it is pretty much the same curve. A thing is worth what someone is willing to pay for it... everyone plans on getting that $70k job after they graduate, so it doesn't matter if they take out $15k per year in loans to get that degree. If the money wasn't available, the colleges couldn't increase their cost 3 times more than inflation warrants (or whatever that multiplier was). And all that extra money means more administrators, and more administrators means more busy work to justify their own existences. Cut the loans, and watch the colleges get back to basics. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 20 2014,12:36
BUT ANYWAY.......Sure sucks to be a male in a college environment, eh? Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 20 2014,12:42
(GORDON @ Nov. 20 2014,14:33) QUOTE Cut the loans, and watch the colleges Fixed. The problem is the new busywork is mostly required by state regulations. Take away the money to pay for it and it still has to be done if the college is to remain open legally. It takes at least five years for states to adjust to changes like that, and by then there won't be any colleges left open. Which would be fine by me, honestly. The whole thing is too much of a mess to fix. You just can't get there from here. BUT ANYWAY... Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 20 2014,12:48
QUOTE The problem is the new busywork is mostly required by state regulations. I taught at a place while they were renewing their accreditation. It's a fucking joke. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 20 2014,12:55
(TPRJones @ Nov. 20 2014,15:42) QUOTE (GORDON @ Nov. 20 2014,14:33) QUOTE Cut the loans, and watch the colleges Fixed. Are you suggesting there were no colleges before the advent of government-backed student loans? Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 21 2014,17:33
No, I'm saying that if you think taking away the loans - and thus the money - will mean they let go of all the extra admins they can no longer pay for then you don't know anything about how government bureaucracy works.The rest of the post you quoted is relevant to that point. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 21 2014,19:27
I can't gather enough... care... to think we need to keep shoveling mountains of debt on college graduates because the government rules require an army of administrators at the schools. Fix it all.Loans are nice because otherwise only rich kids can afford college, but college tuition increases should have been controlled when the loans were put into effect. Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 21 2014,19:33
I don't think we need to shovel money at it anymore either. It's monumentally broken. And it's not the college grads that have massive debt that are the real problem, it's the five times as many college dropouts with massive debt and rotten job prospects that are going to completely wreck our economy in the long run. In no way am I saying to maintain what we are doing.But to change it smoothly you have to start the transition with the part where you cut back tremendously on government-mandated bullshit that required the hiring of all those admins before you take away the money to pay for it. If you take away the money first instead, you'll essentially be shutting down the entire system. Unless you think you can get 50 state legislative bodies to actually do some sane legislating in a timely manner? Personally I think the whole thing collapsing under it's own weight would probably be the best thing in the long run. Burn it all down and build an entirely new system from scratch. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 21 2014,20:20
Agreed. And also don't be a male on campus getting accused of rape.
Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 21 2014,20:24
Perhaps just being gay for four years would solve that problem. Then one would be a member of a protected class and immune from such accusations.I've heard being gay is a choice, after all. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 21 2014,20:55
Hmm. Since there is no defense from a rape accusation, is being gay a defense? I thin it is the ownership of the penis that makes one guilty.
Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 21 2014,21:00
Are lesbians incapable of rape? Someone should tell the producers of Orphan Black.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 21 2014,21:09
College campuses have their own rules. All white males are the enemy, period.
Posted by Vince on Nov. 24 2014,09:06
Cut the funds. Starve the beast (any bureaucracy) of funds and it'll reboot to something a little more manageable. Pretty much what both TPR and Gordo are both saying.I think if we started at the top (federal level), there would be a lot of trickle down effect with that. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 02 2014,07:26
Chick makes "I was gang raped at a frat" claim years after the fact. There is zero evidence. Rolling Stone ran the story, naming the college and the frat, and never bothered to contact the accused men. "Jezebel" claims anyone who questions the veracity of the story is an idiot.< http://thefederalist.com/2014....e-story > I have heard that it isn't right to question a woman who is alleging she was sexually assaulted. But, in the off chance that she is lying and has mental issues, does it do a person with mental issues any favors to pretend that they don't have mental issues? If her story is true, is hurting her feelings by asking her if she has any evidence any worse than the sexual assault? Posted by Vince on Dec. 02 2014,07:37
The answer to this is to sue the shit out of Rolling Stone for defamation. They'll either start asking questions or stop running these stories entirely.
Posted by Vince on Dec. 05 2014,13:25
Heh... Rolling Stone had to issue an apology for that story. Still hope they're sued out of existence.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 05 2014,13:29
< OOOOOOPPPSS >A female friend of mine posted the original story, and I really wanted to post something about making sure the story was true, since it was basically one person's account with no corroborating stories/evidence, and saying something like "If true, this is horrible." But I didn't want to get blasted for putting any doubt on a "victim." Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 05 2014,13:34
QUOTE By Rolling Stone | December 5, 2014
To Our Readers: Last month, Rolling Stone published a story titled "A Rape on Campus" by Sabrina Rubin Erdely, which described a brutal gang rape of a woman named Jackie at a University of Virginia fraternity house; the university's failure to respond to this alleged assault – and the school's troubling history of indifference to many other instances of alleged sexual assaults. The story generated worldwide headlines and much soul-searching at UVA. University president Teresa Sullivan promised a full investigation and also to examine the way the school responds to sexual assault allegations. Because of the sensitive nature of Jackie's story, we decided to honor her request not to contact the man she claimed orchestrated the attack on her nor any of the men she claimed participated in the attack for fear of retaliation against her. In the months Erdely spent reporting the story, Jackie neither said nor did anything that made Erdely, or Rolling Stone's editors and fact-checkers, question Jackie's credibility. Her friends and rape activists on campus strongly supported Jackie's account. She had spoken of the assault in campus forums. We reached out to both the local branch and the national leadership of the fraternity where Jackie said she was attacked. They responded that they couldn't confirm or deny her story but had concerns about the evidence. In the face of new information, there now appear to be discrepancies in Jackie's account, and we have come to the conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced. We were trying to be sensitive to the unfair shame and humiliation many women feel after a sexual assault and now regret the decision to not contact the alleged assaulters to get their account. We are taking this seriously and apologize to anyone who was affected by the story. Will Dana Managing Editor Read more: < http://www.rollingstone.com/culture....3slFoUp > Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook Posted by Vince on Dec. 05 2014,14:18
Sorry Rolling Stone... you don't get to blame your lack of journalistic integrity on a young woman that obviously has mental issues. YOU chose to buy her story without doing any investigation because you are either monumentally lazy or you just really, really wanted it to be true. Either way, this is YOUR pooched story.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2014,15:43
(Vince @ Dec. 05 2014,17:18) QUOTE Sorry Rolling Stone... you don't get to blame your lack of journalistic integrity on a young woman that obviously has mental issues. YOU chose to buy her story without doing any investigation because you are either monumentally lazy or you just really, really wanted it to be true. Either way, this is YOUR pooched story. Not sure who you are saying has the mental issues, the woman who wrote the story, or the woman who made the claims. Seems like both, to me. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2014,15:49
Reminds me back of the great Satanist scare from about thirty years back. Fuck proof, we have repressed memories to prove that shit happened.
Posted by Vince on Dec. 05 2014,16:47
(GORDON @ Dec. 05 2014,17:43) QUOTE (Vince @ Dec. 05 2014,17:18) QUOTE Sorry Rolling Stone... you don't get to blame your lack of journalistic integrity on a young woman that obviously has mental issues. YOU chose to buy her story without doing any investigation because you are either monumentally lazy or you just really, really wanted it to be true. Either way, this is YOUR pooched story. Not sure who you are saying has the mental issues, the woman who wrote the story, or the woman who made the claims. Seems like both, to me. The woman that told the story. She's been telling it for a while now and it keeps changing. The one that wrote it just wanted it to be true and wanted to pretend to be a journalist, I guess. I cut the woman that told the story some slack because I really think she has real issues. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2014,17:23
The chick who wrote the story was fishing for exactly that. She wanted to expose MALE RAPE CULTURE in the frats, whether it existed or not. She has issues, too. When she couldn't find real evidence, she made shit up. As far as I am concerned she should be charged with something.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 05 2014,18:07
Or the Duke lacrosse/"rape" case.Or Tawana Brawley Posted by Vince on Dec. 05 2014,18:31
(GORDON @ Dec. 05 2014,19:23) QUOTE The chick who wrote the story was fishing for exactly that. She wanted to expose MALE RAPE CULTURE in the frats, whether it existed or not. She has issues, too. When she couldn't find real evidence, she made shit up. As far as I am concerned she should be charged with something. I'm not giving anyone at Rolling Stone the out of a mental defect. They placed activism above journalism. I think the student is trying to be part of the "in" women's issues crows and to bond with them. The way some people go to support groups for parents that have lost children even though they never had any. The student probably falls into that sort of mental illness. Not the entire staff at R/S. Remember, this had to be greenlighted by at least one editor. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2014,18:35
You know what an editor is?... ... ... An English major that flunked writing and had to fall back on proofreading. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 08 2014,06:09
(Vince @ Dec. 05 2014,21:31) QUOTE I'm not giving anyone at Rolling Stone the out of a mental defect. The psycho bitch reporter has done this before. < http://www.bigtrial.net/2014....by.html > Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 09 2014,10:48
< Not a hoax >.QUOTE Here’s why that claim is so problematic: Calling something a hoax implies there was a specific intention to deceive, often maliciously. It implies that every piece of Jackie’s account is false, that she is a girl who set out to entrap and defame men by creating a fantastical (and brutal) story, that she had some hidden agenda and something tangible to gain from recounting this violent tale to a Rolling Stone reporter. There is no question that Rolling Stone’s editorial staff and reporter have some serious explaining to do. They did not do their due diligence on this piece, and in that failure, let down both Jackie and their readers in a major way. But discrepancies in a graphic and extremely-detailed story -- even enough discrepancies to discredit the story in a court of public opinion and journalism -- do not a “hoax” make.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 09 2014,11:53
(Malcolm @ Dec. 09 2014,13:48) QUOTE < Not a hoax >. QUOTE Here’s why that claim is so problematic: Calling something a hoax implies there was a specific intention to deceive, often maliciously. It implies that every piece of Jackie’s account is false, that she is a girl who set out to entrap and defame men by creating a fantastical (and brutal) story, that she had some hidden agenda and something tangible to gain from recounting this violent tale to a Rolling Stone reporter. There is no question that Rolling Stone’s editorial staff and reporter have some serious explaining to do. They did not do their due diligence on this piece, and in that failure, let down both Jackie and their readers in a major way. But discrepancies in a graphic and extremely-detailed story -- even enough discrepancies to discredit the story in a court of public opinion and journalism -- do not a “hoax” make. QUOTE Many on UVA’s campus and outside of it have been understandably upset for a number of reasons -- at Rolling Stone’s lack of fact-checking, at the way the discrepancies in this one story might set back on-campus dialogue about rape or perpetuate the myth that lots of women report rape falsely... One time is too many, and I don't think it is as rare as they think. Fuck everybody who thinks it's a "myth." Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 16 2014,19:21
I can't remember where we stick the liberal student crap these days.< TRIGGER WARNING > Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2014,19:25
I love the missives from them saying, "We're not overly sensitive, stop saying we are!"
Posted by Vince on Dec. 17 2014,03:24
Ah... and one day they make up the work force. It really isn't hard to understand why in our labor market with so many that have dropped out of the labor force unable to find work that it's made up mostly of the 20 somethings.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 14 2015,07:37
< UNC Wrestling coach mad that schools decide guilt. >QUOTE His son, Corey Mock, is a nationally ranked wrestler. A former UNC-Chapel Hill student, he was a star athlete at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga until the senior was accused of rape last March and was expelled in December. "Our case is a classic he said, she said case," C.D. Mock said. "You don't kick someone out of school or punish somebody because he said, she said." He started a blog to share his frustration with the handling of sexual assault cases on college campuses. Guilt or innocence is left up to the university, not the criminal justice system, he complains. The blog also names the alleged victim in his son's case and includes graphic details of the sexual encounter involving her. "The idea that a woman who is intoxicated has no control is ridiculous," one post states. "Hate to break it to you feminists out there, but the whole idea on college campus today is to drink alcohol in social environments to reduce inhibitions." Alice Wilder, a columnist for The Daily Tar Heel newspaper at UNC-Chapel Hill, said she learned about the blog after reading a fiery letter to the editor that C.D. Mock wrote in defense of his son. "The message seemed to be that women were responsible for preventing their own rape, instead of saying that people shouldn't assault other people," Wilder said. "I was really surprised that someone that is employed here is that cavalier about it." The "women [are] responsible for preventing their own rape" thing: * Does that mean I am not responsible for being robbed, and therefore should do nothing to prevent being robbed? Should I not lock my doors, or even have locks? Should I not hide valuable goods? Should I not put valuables in a bank? * Is no one responsible for the consequences of their behavior? Look, I get it: people should not rape, assault, murder, etc other people. BUT THEY DO. Why make it easier? Why put yourself in that place? Posted by GORDON on Feb. 03 2015,18:53
Dude accused of rape. Accuser gets all kinds of press for carrying a mattress to classes in protest of the college not doing anything about it. She never filed rape charges with the actual police. Dude provides emails and chat logs showing how she was always friendly and affectionate with him even after the supposed rape. All rape charges dropped but not after the smear campaign on campus and the retention of a criminal lawyer. Media still loves mattress girl. Yet another reason to warn your son stringently before sending him off to college. < http://legalinsurrection.com/2015....gations > Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 03 2015,19:16
Somewhere, the biggest serial killer/criminal in the world is a hot chick. Mainly because she can keep getting away with it.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 16 2015,15:53
Dude investigated for rape on campus because he reminded girl of a dude who raped her 1000 miles away.< http://althouse.blogspot.com/2015....as.html > Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 16 2015,16:45
Interesting. Oberlin's as far left as a college can get, but I like how it's the stats professor.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 16 2015,17:08
I don't know if "Accused of rape while in college" insurance is a thing, but it needs to be. Enough of a payout to get a high-profile law firm involved to put the fear of a lawyer-fucking into the college administrators.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 16 2015,19:23
Rape accusation insurance?
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 16 2015,19:26
Yeah that.I'll just go ahead and say 1 in 5 men will be accused of rape while in college, as long as we are making shit up. Need to get insurance against that. A law firm that will keep the college from witch hunting you, and then go after the accuser for $ for filing false shit... if that applies. Better call Saul. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 16 2015,19:50
Twenty years in the future, it will be illegal to be around another human being without a camera of some kind recording the interaction. Just in case.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 22 2015,18:27
Chick gets drunk with a dude and tells him she wants to fuck. Actually evades two cockblocking friends to go fuck the guy. Makes sure he has a condom. A week later decides he raped her, dude is expelled.< http://www.slate.com/article....ed.html > Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 22 2015,18:48
One of many reasons college is a joke. I'd say that you could make a vid to defend yourself, but that's illegal without consent of both parties.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 22 2015,19:52
That article is fucked up from top to bottom. Nobody with a shred of logic or an IQ about 60 could have justified expelling John alone. Either neither gets punished or both.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 18 2015,14:07
Progressive peeps with messages for straight white men.< https://archive.today/zRB16 > My faves are: “Sit down and let us abolish you.” And the one with the middle finger. I also like the multiple "I am not a token" t-shirts. I need to get into the t-shirt bidness. Posted by Vince on Apr. 18 2015,17:24
Looking at these people I can't help but wonder what they'd do if there's an EMP and they actually had to provide for themselves. When they are unable to hunt their own food would they blame the straight white male? How many would suddenly decide the straight white male that went out and killed food for them was actually pretty okay?
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 18 2015,18:57
I think if shit hit the fan I would end up being kind of vindictive against people like this. If I can personally support fewer people than the entire set of those needing to be helped, I am going to find out who the hippies are.Aw, who am I kidding... I bet almost all the people I end up taking in have ovaries, but hey.... that's just a sound reproductive strategy. Hippie women are going to be in for a rude awakening if law enforcement ceases to exists. Posted by Vince on Apr. 18 2015,19:47
I'd give the anti-gun non-shaving ladies a rape whistle to go hunt rabbits with.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 21 2015,04:49
I heard a good line the other day that stuck with me. To the best of my memory: This generation was raised believing every one of them is special. Now they are in college thinking every one of them is a victim. Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 21 2015,06:33
QUOTE This generation was raised believing every one of them is special. Most of them are special. "Short bus" is a kind of special. Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 21 2015,16:02
Are these messages meant for authors like Steven King, Terry Pratchett, Neil Gaiman, George RR Martin, and Patrick Rothfuss? Are they complaining about Shakespeare as well? I bet most of them would say no.When they lump all straight white men into one big pot and accuse them of being full of shit, they themselves become equally full of shit. They become just as racist and/or sexist as the people they are fighting against. Posted by TheCatt on May 12 2015,14:46
< UVA sues Rolling Stone >Damn right. Posted by GORDON on May 12 2015,15:01
I know it's dangerous as hell but I think if it can be proven, false accusers should be charged with a crime with penalties on par as those for rape.
Posted by Vince on May 12 2015,17:17
I really wouldn't go that direction simply because I think this woman in particular is mentally ill. Now Rolling Stone was criminally negligent in my mind.
Posted by GORDON on May 12 2015,17:30
(Vince @ May 12 2015,20:17) QUOTE I really wouldn't go that direction simply because I think this woman in particular is mentally ill. Now Rolling Stone was criminally negligent in my mind. I don't think that is a good enough excuse to ...excuse... ruining people's lives. If they are that sick, they need to be removed from society, the same way a rapist would be. Posted by Vince on May 12 2015,18:45
I wouldn't disagree with some mandated in house therapy for a few months/years.
Posted by GORDON on May 13 2015,06:18
Don't mention Greek mythology. You'll trigger someone and get libeled by Rolling Stone.< http://reason.com/blog/2015/05/12/trigger-warning-mythology > Posted by GORDON on May 13 2015,06:24
This guy says liberals have ruined college.< http://www.thedailybeast.com/article....ge.html > QUOTE The root of nearly every free-speech infringement on campuses across the country is that someone—almost always a liberal—has been offended or has sniffed out a potential offense in the making. Then, the silencing campaign begins. The offender must be punished, not just for justice’s sake, but also to send the message to anyone else on campus that should he or she stray off the leftist script, they too might find themselves investigated, harassed, ostracized, or even expelled. If the illiberal left can preemptively silence opposing speakers or opposing groups— such as getting a speech or event canceled, or denying campus recognition for a group—even better.
Posted by Malcolm on May 13 2015,07:24
College was ruined by the students, faculty, and admins long before anything else.
Posted by GORDON on May 13 2015,09:53
So back to the original subject, what does one do about higher education when one is the enemy simply because one is white and male?Almost like it's 1950 and I am asking the same thing about being black. Posted by TPRJones on May 13 2015,10:04
Don't worry about it. By the time your kid is old enough for college, either the whole higher education system will have been completely transformed and this question will be moot or it will still be the same but so completely out of touch as to be too useless to be worth attending.
Posted by Malcolm on May 13 2015,10:05
(GORDON @ May 13 2015,11:53) QUOTE So back to the original subject, what does one do about higher education when one is the enemy simply because one is white and male? Firstly, higher education != college/university. Secondly, lawyers. Lots of them. Posted by GORDON on May 13 2015,10:05
Only 7 years until he is college... not all that far away.We're shooting for Stanford followed by MIT, at the moment. Posted by Malcolm on May 13 2015,10:10
(GORDON @ May 13 2015,12:05) QUOTE Only 7 years until he is college... not all that far away. We're shooting for Stanford followed by MIT, at the moment. Shooting? That could be interpreted as a threat. And don't. Both those places are overpriced and overrated. Fuck MIT and the egos of the chips on their shoulders especially. Posted by GORDON on May 13 2015,10:12
Stanford gives full scholarships to middle-class-income-households... IF you can get accepted. :-DIt would literally be cheaper to send him Ivy League than to a local state school. And he wants MIT because he already has a science chip on his shoulder, and I have told him that I think engineers are more cool because they actually build the shit that the scientists wonder about. Posted by Malcolm on May 13 2015,10:21
(GORDON @ May 13 2015,12:12) QUOTE And he wants MIT because he already has a science chip on his shoulder, and I have told him that I think engineers are more cool because they actually build the shit that the scientists wonder about. Fuck MIT. Harvey Mudd crushes them. There are also approximately 99.9% fewer self-important pricks at Harvey. The best physics prof I ever had in college was on loan from them. Posted by TPRJones on May 13 2015,12:13
(GORDON @ May 13 2015,12:05) QUOTE We're shooting for Stanford followed by MIT, at the moment. If you are answering the "where" before you know what exactly he wants to study and become, then either you or he are very likely to be disappointed by the results. Posted by GORDON on May 13 2015,12:46
you're disappointed with the results
Posted by Malcolm on May 13 2015,12:50
Best college advice ev4r:QUOTE Turn on, tune in, drop out.
Posted by TPRJones on May 13 2015,13:40
(GORDON @ May 13 2015,14:46) QUOTE you're disappointed with the results Very, yes. I learned a lot from it, too. Lessons my coworkers at this institution I work at that manufactures student debt have yet to comprehend or appreciate. Posted by Malcolm on May 13 2015,14:11
I guess as long as you don't pay much for it, then college isn't a waste of money. Waste of time, though. Student debt is also a bitch and a half. What fucking country decides the best way to send grads out into the work force is a significant probability of debt in the high five figure range coupled with a shitty education? That's like giving someone herpes then not even offering to drive them to a clinic.
Posted by Vince on May 14 2015,02:57
Let's guarantee people a loan, the only one of which they can't discharge with bankruptcy. Sounds compassionate.
Posted by GORDON on May 14 2015,05:05
Even better, let's subsidize college and do nothing to make sure colleges don't increase their fees to account for their customers having a huge pool of government money from which to draw.
Posted by TPRJones on May 14 2015,06:40
QUOTE Even better, let's subsidize college and do nothing to make sure colleges don't increase their fees to account for their customers having a huge pool of government money from which to draw. I don't know how it works in other states, but here in Texas a fee increase at any publicly funded institution of higher education has to be voted on by the state legislature. Needless to say we don't get many fee increases. Besides, less than 1/4 of our revenue comes from tuition and fees. Most is from state payments (which makes up the difference between In State and Out of State tuition) or from district property taxes (the difference between In District and Out of District tuition). Posted by GORDON on May 14 2015,06:48
Well god bless Texas.![]() All the underscores were confusing the forum or something. < http://tinyurl.com/k7h7feu > Posted by TPRJones on May 14 2015,06:55
Oh, don't get me wrong, even down here the price has grown like mad. It's just much of the increases have been picked up by state and local taxes, at least wherever the legislature couldn't agree on allowing tuition hikes.
Posted by Vince on May 14 2015,13:27
It will create a bubble, just like guaranteed loans for houses created the housing bubble.
Posted by GORDON on May 14 2015,13:55
(GORDON @ May 14 2015,09:48) QUOTE < http://tinyurl.com/k7h7feu > On this chart, the 2 things that are heavily subsidized have the largest increase in cost. Posted by Malcolm on May 14 2015,14:26
(Vince @ May 14 2015,15:27) QUOTE It will create a bubble, just like guaranteed loans for houses created the housing bubble. One of many reasons I am never going to school, ever fucking again. My goal is to forget all the worthlessness I learned to make room for more useful info. Posted by TheCatt on May 14 2015,15:07
(Malcolm @ May 14 2015,17:26) QUOTE One of many reasons I am never going to school, ever fucking again. My goal is to forget all the worthlessness I learned to make room for more useful info. I would hope it's just cuz your an adult, now. I loved college., I would do some things differently if I had to live it over again, but 18 year old me would sure as hell be going to college again. Posted by Malcolm on May 14 2015,15:16
(TheCatt @ May 14 2015,17:07) QUOTE I would hope it's just cuz your an adult, now. I don't consider myself one of those either, except for legal purposes. Posted by TPRJones on May 14 2015,15:29
If I had it to do again, 18 year old me would get a job and skip college and the debt and those worthless classes. But I'd still spend four years near college, working just hard enough to get by and hanging out with the gaming and sci-fi clubs and just having a nice four years. That would have maximized my value per cost for that time.
Posted by Malcolm on May 14 2015,15:36
QUOTE If I had it to do again, 18 year old me would get a job and skip college and the debt and those worthless classes. Amen. Hell, at the uni I went to, you could just wander into classrooms if you knew where lectures were being held. No one's ID'ing you at the door. Posted by GORDON on May 14 2015,16:30
< http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/205871/ >QUOTE What we’ve learned so far: Women are too emotionally immature for college. They should be kept at home until a suitable man appears, ready to marry them and assume responsibility for overseeing their poor decision-making abilities.
Posted by GORDON on May 14 2015,16:31
< http://thepunditpress.com/2015....justice >QUOTE Texas Tech Dean of Students: Due Process has a “Chilling Effect” on Justice at College
Posted by TPRJones on May 14 2015,17:03
Tech? Surprising. That's the sort of crap I'd have expected of U.T., but not Tech.
Posted by Malcolm on May 14 2015,19:15
QUOTE Jenn Davis, a freshman, said that if someone is accused of rape, they shouldn’t have the right to question their accuser: “I can’t imagine being a sexual assault victim, but if that were ever to unfortunately happen to me, I would not want people to ask me questions about it after I had already told my story. I’ve done some research on the topic and it can be traumatic to continue to relive the situation over and over again.” The real bitch is that if a dude tapes himself to prove he was voluntarily fucked by a chick, that's illegal, too. Posted by Vince on May 15 2015,03:20
(GORDON @ May 14 2015,18:31) QUOTE < http://thepunditpress.com/2015....justice > QUOTE Texas Tech Dean of Students: Due Process has a “Chilling Effect” on Justice at College This is getting bad. Posted by Malcolm on May 20 2015,10:34
< College > getting more rapey.
Posted by GORDON on May 20 2015,12:41
(Malcolm @ May 20 2015,13:34) QUOTE < College > getting more rapey. QUOTE More than 18 percent of female freshman at one upstate New York university say they were either raped or the victims of an attempted rape within a year of starting at the school, according to a new survey tracking the risk of sexual assault on first-year college women. And of those 18% of women, I am willing to admit that every single one who immediately went to the police may be telling the truth. So how many did that? Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2015,10:09
< Penn State's not helping >.
Posted by GORDON on May 27 2015,10:16
More evidence to suggest some young ladies are just not mentally competent to be in the college environment, and need someone making their decisions for them.
Posted by GORDON on May 30 2015,19:49
This isn't rape but it happened at a college and our kids are (mostly) white so this still counts:Campus "Diversity Officer" who said, "Kill all white men" gets to keep her job. < http://collegeinsurrection.com/2015....her-job > Personally, I think this is the best reason yet to set up a "safe space," this time for white people afraid of this person. Alas, even in the face of a specific threat of violence, this would be racist. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 05 2015,17:09
< Mattress Girl makes a rape video, or something >
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 05 2015,17:28
(TheCatt @ Jun. 05 2015,20:09) QUOTE < Mattress Girl makes a rape video, or something > I think she is 100% mentally healthy. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 05 2015,17:43
< Video mirror >
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 05 2015,14:52
![]() Posted by GORDON on Jul. 05 2015,14:54
That is both ironic, and good advice, at the same time.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 05 2015,16:46
The Chappelle consent form for sexual intercourse bit is funnier all the time.
Posted by Troy on Jul. 05 2015,23:11
Mattress girl porn was an unexpected turn.
Posted by Alhazad on Jul. 06 2015,01:21
(Troy @ Jul. 05 2015,23:11) QUOTE Mattress girl porn was an unexpected turn-on. Yep. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 06 2015,09:49
She made a porn to protest rape? Isn't this the girl who didn't press rape charges because she was afraid of a public trial?Remember the good old days when they're put people like this in a special institution to try and help them? Now we put them in an institution to enable and glorify them. Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 11 2015,08:17
![]() Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 11 2015,08:32
How can someone read that poster and not see that it's completely undermining the entire cause of women's equality? Why does it not also say that Jake can't consent? Why is Josie not also charged with rape? Why is it that drunk men are expected to be responsible but drunk women are not?All of these things can only have one answer by the terms of that poster: because women aren't as good as men and can't be expected to be capable of taking charge of their own lives. Now if it included "Jack then forced himself on Josie against her will" then it's a whole other story. THAT would be rape. But this is just misogynistic bullshit. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 11 2015,09:21
(TheCatt @ Jul. 11 2015,10:17) QUOTE ![]() A poster furthering the stereotype that women can't handle their liquor? Sweet. I'm in. You notice how Jake's looking at the camera with a kind of rapey set of eyes knowing he's going to be playing out that one scene in Animal House while Josie's sitting there smiling smiling? Here's the text they need: "Jake was drunk. Josie was drunk. Josie spilled her margarita on a guy twice her size, made ten 'yo mama' jokes to him and his three cage fighter buddies, then left Jake to sort things out. The next day, Jake was charged with assault, in spite of the fact he got the shit beat out of him so badly, he was on a liquid diet for the next six months while his broken jaw healed." Posted by GORDON on Jul. 12 2015,12:38
For some reason this reminds me of Chapelle's "Real World" sendup when it was a house full of urban black folk, and one small country white guy, and when they all decided to gang up and vote the white guy out of the house, the biggest, blackest, most abusive black guy says, "I don't feel safe (with him here)."
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 13 2015,21:04
Photographed consent forms... did I call this earlier?< http://www.nationalreview.com/article....ontract > Posted by Alhazad on Jul. 13 2015,22:03
I'm all for it. If she cries 'rape', you sue her for breach of contract.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 13 2015,22:30
(Alhazad @ Jul. 14 2015,01:03) QUOTE I'm all for it. If she cries 'rape', you sue her for breach of contract. Plus she has to wear a scarlet letter R as a warning to others. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 28 2015,10:23
Rules are getting locked down to make sure if you are accused, you are fucked.< http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/senate-....2569027 > Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 28 2015,11:09
If it comes out as biased as that sounds like it will, the Supreme Court will strike it down.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 28 2015,11:13
QUOTE The first panel features four senators — Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y.; Claire McCaskill, D-Mo.; Dean Heller, R-Nev.; and Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H. All four were original sponsors of the Campus Accountability and Safety Act introduced in 2014, and all four are sponsors on the updated version introduced earlier this year. Dean should be forced to hand in his balls, or something less valuable, like his Republican party card. Fucking seriously, Dean. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 28 2015,11:56
I am still at a loss as to why college administrations are allowed to deal with felonies.If I were accused on campus I think I would be heading directly to the real police.... or something. It's insane. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 28 2015,11:58
(GORDON @ Jul. 28 2015,13:56) QUOTE I am still at a loss as to why college administrations are allowed to deal with felonies. If I were accused on campus I think I would be heading directly to the real police.... or something. It's insane. Think of the children, G. It's all for them. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2015,21:35
Congress actually considering giving men on campus due process.< http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015....tudents > Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 24 2015,10:16
< Frat not helping > men's cause.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 24 2015,11:01
90% of all the incoming women who see that banner were hoping they were good enough to get picked.The ones who are feminists by 2nd semester will be the ones who weren't picked but wanted to be. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 24 2015,12:41
(GORDON @ Aug. 24 2015,14:01) QUOTE 90% of all the incoming women who see that banner were hoping they were good enough to get picked. The ones who are feminists by 2nd semester will be the ones who weren't picked but wanted to be. Young girls are dumb, but it doesn't make them all whores nor are they all seeking men's approval. The guys who hung those signs are the kind who trick or force women and last about 30 seconds. Those signs are a testament to the immaturity of the male mind, not a telling statement about women. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 24 2015,14:06
(Leisher @ Aug. 24 2015,15:41) QUOTE (GORDON @ Aug. 24 2015,14:01) QUOTE 90% of all the incoming women who see that banner were hoping they were good enough to get picked. The ones who are feminists by 2nd semester will be the ones who weren't picked but wanted to be. Young girls are dumb, but it doesn't make them all whores nor are they all seeking men's approval. Being whores has nothing to do with it, and I will argue with you about 90% of young women not seeking approval from men. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 25 2015,05:45
(GORDON @ Aug. 24 2015,17:06) QUOTE (Leisher @ Aug. 24 2015,15:41) QUOTE (GORDON @ Aug. 24 2015,14:01) QUOTE 90% of all the incoming women who see that banner were hoping they were good enough to get picked. The ones who are feminists by 2nd semester will be the ones who weren't picked but wanted to be. Young girls are dumb, but it doesn't make them all whores nor are they all seeking men's approval. Being whores has nothing to do with it, and I will argue with you about 90% of young women not seeking approval from men. You could argue it. You'd be wrong. But you could. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2015,06:02
Well I guess the authority has spoken.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 25 2015,06:47
(GORDON @ Aug. 25 2015,09:02) QUOTE Well I guess the authority has spoken. You are? I automatically disagreed with you because you said: QUOTE 90% of all the incoming women who see that banner were hoping they were good enough to get picked. Excluding lesbians and feminists, you're leaving a ridiculously small percentage for women with self respect. Women who don't actually like dickheads. Women who actually like their parents and their families. Etc. And while you altered it to this: QUOTE I will argue with you about 90% of young women not seeking approval from men. I still have to apply it to the banners, and not overall life in general. I mean, eventually yes, all straight women will seek the approval of a man that's not her father. However, I don't think that 90% of young women, in this age of female empowerment, would be attracted by a sign that objectifies them and their mothers. Hell, if you just want to talk about women's neurosis alone, the signs equated them to their mothers. Nothing makes a woman want to put out more than when a guy compares them to their mothers... Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2015,07:04
(Leisher @ Aug. 25 2015,09:47) QUOTE Excluding lesbians and feminists, you're leaving a ridiculously small percentage for women with self respect. Women who don't actually like dickheads. Women who actually like their parents and their families. Etc. Again, you are making assumptions I never intended. What does wanting to get laid by perceived alpha-males have to do with a lacking of self respect? Not much more faux-alpha than a man stating to you, in front of your father, that he wants to fuck you, and possibly your mother, too. I don't expect an 18 year old girl to know what a real man is. We've already provided elsewhere the evidence that only about 2% of these girls are going to be lesbians. I expect 10% of any group to veer away from norms, so 90% is safe. Am I the expert? I don't know. Maybe. But I didn't just come out and state the other guy could "argue but still be wrong." Here are some actual numbers to support my statement. < Global Beauty Market to hit $265B in 2017. > < Wedding industry is worth billions. > < Fashion industry: $1.5 trillion. > < Vogue magazine: $35 million. > Couldn't find the Cosmo numbers. Know others exist but could not think of any other woman magazines to research. I feel safe to also say that I bet 90% of the people spending money on the above things are women, excluding the weddings which are obviously money being spent ON women. < Basic DNA rules say genes are selfish and want to replicate and 18 year old chicks are prime reproductive fodder. > I feel safe in my "90% of the girls seeing that poster liked it" statement. Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 25 2015,07:19
QUOTE What does wanting to get laid by perceived alpha-males have to do with a lacking of self respect? Emphasis added. And I think that's your problem. I suspect less than 10% of incoming freshman girls would perceive those fratbrats as alpha males. They would see them as losers. Maybe later after they've joined some sorority and gotten their heads up the ass of the greek lifestyle, then maybe they'd see them as desirable males. But not until then; right now all they see is assholes with dickish signs. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2015,07:40
(TPRJones @ Aug. 25 2015,10:19) QUOTE But not until then; right now all they see is assholes with dickish signs. Are you suggesting that women don't like fucking men that are assholes? I think you just supported my argument. Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 25 2015,07:51
You're referring to retail assholery - hand-crafted and delivered to a particular individual - which makes women wet. This is wholesale assholery. Completely different and not at all effective.If it were, those "No = Yes, Yes = Anal" guys would be mobbed by naked coeds. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2015,07:55
I suggest that they are. Not only are they assholes, they are perceived by these women as having high social standing, as well. Hell, they are at the top of the only structured social ladder than any campus has. And as the cliche goes, women are social creatures. I still think these inexperienced girls see these cocky men as good mating material.I am not sure of the different flavors of assholery, but I don't think (most) guys in (most) frats have any problems getting laid. I doubt the signs are hurting them. "OMG I thought all those frat guys were dicks because of all that wholesale asshattery but then I met *FratGuyA and OMG he is not like that, and he's so hot... so now maybe I can fuck him and then fix him." And then they lie to themselves about what happened, and they lie to themselves about what they wanted and what they did to get it, and another feminist is born to further the myth of the campus rape culture. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 25 2015,08:08
(GORDON @ Aug. 25 2015,09:55) QUOTE And then they lie to themselves about what happened, and they lie to themselves about what they wanted and what they did to get it, and another feminist is born to further the myth of the campus rape culture. Goddamn. Bitter much? Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 25 2015,08:09
(GORDON @ Aug. 25 2015,10:55) QUOTE I am not sure of the different flavors of assholery, but I don't think (most) guys in (most) frats have any problems getting laid. I doubt the signs are hurting them. Well, < they got suspended. > Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2015,08:11
(TheCatt @ Aug. 25 2015,11:09) QUOTE (GORDON @ Aug. 25 2015,10:55) QUOTE I am not sure of the different flavors of assholery, but I don't think (most) guys in (most) frats have any problems getting laid. I doubt the signs are hurting them. Well, < they got suspended. > And now they are among the lowest social class, and they will be getting laid much less. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2015,08:14
(Malcolm @ Aug. 25 2015,11:08) QUOTE (GORDON @ Aug. 25 2015,09:55) QUOTE And then they lie to themselves about what happened, and they lie to themselves about what they wanted and what they did to get it, and another feminist is born to further the myth of the campus rape culture. Goddamn. Bitter much? Yeah, a little bit. 1. Been on the receiving end of a bullshit accusation. 2. Have a son who will have to deal with this shit within a decade. 3. Have a hard time believing that a "rape culture" exists in which young middle class men are going around committing one of our society's most heinous crimes with near impunity, and not just a bunch of women feeling sex shame and lying. Usually "the most simple explanation" is good enough around here. I'll go ahead and throw my "90%" number on it. 90% of college rape accusations are probably bullshit. Everybody lies so there's no way to know, but go back to the beginning of #3. Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 25 2015,08:30
QUOTE 90% of college rape accusations are probably bullshit. On the one hand that seems excessive. But on the other hand 90% of everything about college is bullshit, so why not this, too? Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 25 2015,08:36
(TPRJones @ Aug. 25 2015,10:30) QUOTE QUOTE 90% of college rape accusations are probably bullshit. On the one hand that seems excessive. But on the other hand 90% of everything about college is bullshit, so why not this, too? If 90% of everything is bullshit, isn't 90% of the 90% theory also bullshit? Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2015,08:49
(Malcolm @ Aug. 25 2015,11:36) QUOTE (TPRJones @ Aug. 25 2015,10:30) QUOTE QUOTE 90% of college rape accusations are probably bullshit. On the one hand that seems excessive. But on the other hand 90% of everything about college is bullshit, so why not this, too? If 90% of everything is bullshit, isn't 90% of the 90% theory also bullshit? Unless my usage of it is the time when it is in the 10% of non-bullshit usage, which it probably is. 90% chance. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 25 2015,08:55
(GORDON @ Aug. 25 2015,10:49) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Aug. 25 2015,11:36) QUOTE (TPRJones @ Aug. 25 2015,10:30) QUOTE QUOTE 90% of college rape accusations are probably bullshit. On the one hand that seems excessive. But on the other hand 90% of everything about college is bullshit, so why not this, too? If 90% of everything is bullshit, isn't 90% of the 90% theory also bullshit? Unless my usage of it is the time when it is in the 10% of non-bullshit usage, which it probably is. 90% chance. Your theory is 90% bullshit. So I'm 90% right. I enjoy recursive arguments. Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 25 2015,08:58
Those statistics are at least 90% bullshit.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 25 2015,08:59
Think of it like this G, college is preparing your son for how the cops and gov't will treat him once he gets out. Wait until fratboys can get locked up for 72 hours without reprieve at will.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 25 2015,10:21
< Frat suspended >. I have no problem with this. They did something immeasurably stupid.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 25 2015,10:51
QUOTE Not much more faux-alpha than a man stating to you, in front of your father, that he wants to fuck you, and possibly your mother, too. Anonymously hanging a banner from a balcony is about the least alpha male thing one can do. And for the record, being a dick does not equal being an alpha male. QUOTE We've already provided elsewhere the evidence that only about 2% of these girls are going to be lesbians. I expect 10% of any group to veer away from norms, so 90% is safe. Using your own statement, we're already down to 88%, so... QUOTE Am I the expert? I don't know. Maybe. But I didn't just come out and state the other guy could "argue but still be wrong." No you made an outlandish statement, expected it to be accepted as fact, and when someone points out that it probably is bullshit you are dismissive and take personal shots. QUOTE Global Beauty Market to hit $265B in 2017. Wedding industry is worth billions. Fashion industry: $1.5 trillion. Vogue magazine: $35 million. Couldn't find the Cosmo numbers. Know others exist but could not think of any other woman magazines to research. I feel safe to also say that I bet 90% of the people spending money on the above things are women, excluding the weddings which are obviously money being spent ON women. Basic DNA rules say genes are selfish and want to replicate and 18 year old chicks are prime reproductive fodder. None of which is relevant to douchebags hanging banners from a frat house. I could post stats about your interest in guns and violent video games, but it doesn't make you a murderer. QUOTE Hell, they are at the top of the only structured social ladder than any campus has. Frats and sororities are not viewed in the same light as previous generations. QUOTE Have a hard time believing that a "rape culture" exists in which young middle class men are going around committing one of our society's most heinous crimes with near impunity, and not just a bunch of women feeling sex shame and lying. I agree with you mostly. It's the "90%" part that I completely disagree with. I think the 90% (for apparently all subjects involving women) is based on your own experiences, fear for your kid's future, and your bitterness at women. Living with your mother-in-law will do that. QUOTE "Initial reports regarding the banners indicated that no fraternity member had involvement with the banners," Sigma Nu Executive Director Brad Beacham said in a statement. What a jackass. Yeah, frats are known for allowing non-members complete access to their houses. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2015,11:05
(Leisher @ Aug. 25 2015,13:51) QUOTE QUOTE Have a hard time believing that a "rape culture" exists in which young middle class men are going around committing one of our society's most heinous crimes with near impunity, and not just a bunch of women feeling sex shame and lying. I agree with you mostly. It's the "90%" part that I completely disagree with. I think the 90% (for apparently all subjects involving women) is based on your own experiences, fear for your kid's future, and your bitterness at women. Living with your mother-in-law will do that. You may be right, but I stand by my gut instinct that I can't prove against your gut instinct that you can't prove. I think there is a shitload of lying going on. QUOTE QUOTE "Initial reports regarding the banners indicated that no fraternity member had involvement with the banners," Sigma Nu Executive Director Brad Beacham said in a statement. What a jackass. Yeah, frats are known for allowing non-members complete access to their houses. When I see banners like that on move-in day at BGSU, they are on the private rental houses across the street from the campus. QUOTE QUOTE Not much more faux-alpha than a man stating to you, in front of your father, that he wants to fuck you, and possibly your mother, too. Anonymously hanging a banner from a balcony is about the least alpha male thing one can do. And for the record, being a dick does not equal being an alpha male. Which is why I said "perceived" alpha male, from the perspective of a dumb teen girl. QUOTE QUOTE We've already provided elsewhere the evidence that only about 2% of these girls are going to be lesbians. I expect 10% of any group to veer away from norms, so 90% is safe. Using your own statement, we're already down to 88%, so... Not unless the 2% of lesbians are included in the 10% of those who aren't the norm, which they obviously are. QUOTE QUOTE Am I the expert? I don't know. Maybe. But I didn't just come out and state the other guy could "argue but still be wrong." No you made an outlandish statement, expected it to be accepted as fact, and when someone points out that it probably is bullshit you are dismissive and take personal shots. I didn't see it as a personal shot I saw it as the only way to suggest that I noticed you claiming to be an expert by shutting down whatever it is I might have had to say. I guess I could have typed all <---- those words instead. QUOTE QUOTE Global Beauty Market to hit $265B in 2017. Wedding industry is worth billions. Fashion industry: $1.5 trillion. Vogue magazine: $35 million. Couldn't find the Cosmo numbers. Know others exist but could not think of any other woman magazines to research. I feel safe to also say that I bet 90% of the people spending money on the above things are women, excluding the weddings which are obviously money being spent ON women. Basic DNA rules say genes are selfish and want to replicate and 18 year old chicks are prime reproductive fodder. None of which is relevant to douchebags hanging banners from a frat house. Obviously not, I posted those numbers in direct response to your "most girls though dumb aren't sluts (or whatever) and aren't looking for the attention of men." Those numbers were there to support my claim that yeah, women are spending a shitload of money to try to get the attention of a partner. You are free to present evidence to the contrary. Perhaps statistics about how more women are entering convents or something. QUOTE QUOTE Hell, they are at the top of the only structured social ladder than any campus has. Frats and sororities are not viewed in the same light as previous generations. I can't speak to that. You may be right, I don't know. I already admitted my bias, I think YOU are arguing from a position of being a former man-whore who is now the father of 3 little girls. ;) Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 25 2015,11:19
QUOTE Obviously not, I posted those numbers in direct response to your "most girls though dumb aren't sluts (or whatever) and aren't looking for the attention of men." Thinking that 90% is too high is not the same as claiming the majority of the opposite is true. Or has the whole conversation just been about what was hyperbole to begin with? QUOTE Hell, they are at the top of the only structured social ladder than any campus has. Missed this one before. This is now generally only true of those who are members and an even smaller subset of the children of those members, with most everyone else considering these organizations to be at best pointless or more likely at least a mild pain in the ass. Since less than 10% of college students are members of a fraternity or sorority, it is likely that less than 10% of incoming freshman girls have any connection or previous association that would lead them to consider those fratholes "at the top of the only structured social ladder". Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 25 2015,11:19
QUOTE Those numbers were there to support my claim that yeah, women are spending a shitload of money to try to get the attention of a partner. Eh, women (and men, for that matter) are spending a shitload of money trying to mold themselves into what's been recorded into the "societal expectations" part of their brain. QUOTE Wedding industry is worth billions. That's not getting your partner's attention. That's getting everyone else's attention so you can rub in their face how fucking successful you are. QUOTE Vogue magazine: $35 million. Couldn't find the Cosmo numbers. Know others exist but could not think of any other woman magazines to research. So they can pollute the "societal expectations" part of their brain with what everyone else, aka the mag's editors, thinks. QUOTE Fashion industry: $1.5 trillion. Not necessarily about attracting someone else. You're free to be selfish and worry about how you look. Just because you want to present a decent version of yourself to someone doesn't mean you want to fuck them. Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 25 2015,11:22
(Malcolm @ Aug. 25 2015,13:21) QUOTE < Frat suspended >. I have no problem with this. They did something immeasurably stupid. < Only 9 posts behind the times. > Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2015,11:22
(Malcolm @ Aug. 25 2015,14:19) QUOTE QUOTE Fashion industry: $1.5 trillion. Not necessarily about attracting someone else. You're free to be selfish and worry about how you look. Just because you want to present a decent version of yourself to someone doesn't mean you want to fuck them. Yeah but 90% of it is about sex. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 25 2015,11:24
(GORDON @ Aug. 25 2015,13:22) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Aug. 25 2015,14:19) QUOTE QUOTE Fashion industry: $1.5 trillion. Not necessarily about attracting someone else. You're free to be selfish and worry about how you look. Just because you want to present a decent version of yourself to someone doesn't mean you want to fuck them. Yeah but 90% of it is about sex. I disagree. It's about projecting what's inside you to the outside world via clothing and fabric-y things. If what's inside you is 90% sex, then that's what gets expressed. Sometimes, it's spite, or don't women wear certain shit around other women as a power play anymore? Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2015,11:25
(Malcolm @ Aug. 25 2015,14:24) QUOTE (GORDON @ Aug. 25 2015,13:22) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Aug. 25 2015,14:19) QUOTE QUOTE Fashion industry: $1.5 trillion. Not necessarily about attracting someone else. You're free to be selfish and worry about how you look. Just because you want to present a decent version of yourself to someone doesn't mean you want to fuck them. Yeah but 90% of it is about sex. I disagree. It's about projecting what's inside you to the outside world via clothing and fabric-y things. If what's inside you is 90% sex, then that's what gets expressed. Sometimes, it's spite, or don't women wear certain shit around other women as a power play anymore? 90% of everything is sex. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 25 2015,11:27
When you're a hammer...QUOTE 90% of everything is sex. You're right. That's 90% of your problem with you mother-in-law. You secretly want to have sex with her and you can't take the temptation of being under the same roof. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2015,11:30
(Malcolm @ Aug. 25 2015,14:27) QUOTE When you're a hammer... QUOTE 90% of everything is sex. You're right. That's 90% of your problem with you mother-in-law. You secretly want to have sex with her and you can't the temptation of being under the same roof. That's in the 10% that isn't sex. You people seem to have a problem with your percentages... "All" is 100%. "Most" is 90%, and does not mean "all." Posted by Leisher on Aug. 25 2015,12:17
QUOTE You may be right, but I stand by my gut instinct that I can't prove against your gut instinct that you can't prove. Fair. QUOTE I think there is a shitload of lying going on. Yeah, you put a lot of the blame on women, and I don't disagree that some lie and society always takes their side, but there are a metric fuckton of jackass guys out there. I mean, when it comes to violent crimes that aren't rape men dominate. We dominate the rape stats too, but I wanted to point out that without them, we're still the assholes. QUOTE When I see banners like that on move-in day at BGSU, they are on the private rental houses across the street from the campus. Frat boys are very clicky. Off campus or not, they stick with their own like incestuous clan members. And this is a non-point since they were discovered to be behind it. QUOTE Which is why I said "perceived" alpha male, from the perspective of a dumb teen girl. You realize you have a major bias against women right? ![]() QUOTE Not unless the 2% of lesbians are included in the 10% of those who aren't the norm, which they obviously are. Two things here: First, now you're saying being gay isn't normal. Second, the number of women who have self-respect and a good upbringing would stun you. QUOTE I didn't see it as a personal shot I saw it as the only way to suggest that I noticed you claiming to be an expert by shutting down whatever it is I might have had to say. Well, you claimed to be said expert when you threw the 90% stat at us. Also, my statement was clearly written in a humorous tone and quoting a popular TV show. QUOTE Obviously not, I posted those numbers in direct response to your "most girls though dumb aren't sluts (or whatever) and aren't looking for the attention of men." Those numbers were there to support my claim that yeah, women are spending a shitload of money to try to get the attention of a partner. What does what women do to make themselves feel good about themselves have anything to do with anything? Are you seriously making the "she brought it upon herself dressing like that" argument? That's also not the argument I was presenting. In fact, I even state that eventually all straight women will seek the attention of a man. QUOTE I already admitted my bias, I think YOU are arguing from a position of being a former man-whore who is now the father of 3 little girls. Of course I am. I am very familiar with women. I spent my life flirting with and bedding them. I know what makes them tick. Dictionary Dave used to go nuts about how I could get them to break things off with me and walk away with their dignity intact and believing it was their idea. I will teach my girls how to read into a guy's intentions, how to not put themselves in bad situations, and how to take responsibility for their own actions. Posted by Alhazad on Aug. 25 2015,15:11
(GORDON @ Aug. 25 2015,08:14) QUOTE 2. Have a son who will have to deal with this shit within a decade. You could steer him toward trade or engineering schools which are actually valuable yet severely underpopulated by women... or the Marines, who will hold his hand (as it were) until he has some life experience. Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 25 2015,16:04
(Alhazad @ Aug. 25 2015,17:11) QUOTE You could steer him toward trade or engineering schools which are actually valuable yet severely underpopulated by women... Depends on the programs at the school. If he went in for Cosmetology, for example, it'd be mostly female. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 25 2015,17:06
Your kid is pretty bright, G. He's smart enough to know firefly sucked.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2015,17:09
I think the best advice to give him will be, "Get her consent in writing."Unless he goes to an engineering school like he wants because those nerds never get laid. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2015,17:42
![]() Posted by Leisher on Aug. 25 2015,18:01
QUOTE He's smart enough to know firefly sucked. Is that true? Posted by Alhazad on Aug. 25 2015,18:22
(TPRJones @ Aug. 25 2015,16:04) QUOTE (Alhazad @ Aug. 25 2015,17:11) QUOTE You could steer him toward trade or engineering schools which are actually valuable yet severely underpopulated by women... Depends on the programs at the school. If he went in for Cosmetology, for example, it'd be mostly female. If he went into Cosmetology, there wouldn't be much reason for him to worry about whether women consent to sex. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 25 2015,18:43
(Leisher @ Aug. 25 2015,20:01) QUOTE QUOTE He's smart enough to know firefly sucked. Is that true? Yes, it sucks. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 30 2015,18:51
These people, like me, think the "epidemic of rape on campuses" is complete bullshit.< http://reason.com/blog....f-the-c > Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 30 2015,19:35
Actually, the researcher showed that one person's theory of serial rapists on campus has no scientific underpinning.If you read the documents they published, there will still a very significant # of rapes being committed, and 4-7% of men committed at least one crime that could be considered rape. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 31 2015,04:59
Does the scientific study determine what the threshold is of what makes it "rape?" Does "Drunken hookup the night before/regret the morning after" = rape, according to them, and go into their numbers?![]() Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 31 2015,05:29
You could try reading.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 31 2015,07:03
Goddam.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 04 2015,08:52
"Remarks about physical appearance" count as rape in the statistics.< http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/study-i....2571368 > Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 04 2015,08:59
QUOTE Jennifer Freyd, the researcher, is back with a study little changed since 2014, purporting to find the same number of women as victims. To be clear, the women who took the study aren't necessarily claiming they were ever victims — Freyd and her researchers determined that they were victims based on questions answered. Freyd's only acknowledgement that there might be a flaw to her methodology is that factors like "poor memory" might make the numbers lower than they should be — that is, many women might have forgotten they were assaulted. There's a reason they call sociology a "soft science." Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 04 2015,10:17
This isn't just soft science. It's downright flaccid.Okay, but seriously, the way it is explained here I would call this intentionally fraudulent. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 21 2015,10:19
< 20% > of girls at "top" unis report some type of sexual assault.QUOTE Twenty-five percent of undergraduate women said they were victims of non-consensual sexual contact through force or in situations when they were incapacitated and unable to consent. Among undergraduate men, the rate was 7 percent. Ten percent of undergraduate women said they suffered incidents involving non-consensual sexual penetration. Thirty-five percent of students said sexual assault and misconduct is very or extremely problematic at the school. The survey response rate was 36 percent. In short, every US college student majors in rape. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 05 2015,04:56
< http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/overly-....2573314 >QUOTE Another case saw a male student suspended for a year because he sent multiple Instagram follow requests to a female student and once looked at her on campus.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 16 2015,10:17
< Sexual harassment at UC >.QUOTE The president of the University of California system has convened a committee of administrators, faculty and students to look at how complaints against tenured faculty are handled across the 10-campus system. The San Francisco Chronicle reports Friday that the move comes just days after famed UC Berkeley astronomer Geoffrey Marcy resigned his professorship after an investigation found he sexually harassed several female students. Between 2001 and 2010, he reportedly gave massages and other unwanted attention to at least four female students. You may remember Janet "I'm the biggest bitch in the world" Napolitano from her tenure as head of the American SS, otherwise known as the TSA. < Keep ringing > those alarm bells. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 11 2015,05:12
File this under, "plan on sending your WHITE son to college?"< http://neoneocon.com/2015....versity > It's a long argument and not snippit-quote worthy. TLDR is "the American university is dead." Posted by Leisher on Nov. 11 2015,06:34
This is what happens when you fill colleges with people who shouldn't be there, but are there because of some bullshit "requirement" for getting a job.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 24 2015,13:33
"Men Are Not Monsters."< http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/11/19/men-are-not-monsters.html > Posted by Leisher on Nov. 24 2015,13:52
< Western Washington University cancels classes because someone said something hurtful on the interwebs. >I'm not kidding. Even law enforcement said there was no threat, yet the school's president shut down classes and everyone's screaming about evil racism. There's even a hilarious video of students gathering together to rally against the racism and it's a bunch of white students. Oh white guilt, will you ever end? Posted by GORDON on Nov. 24 2015,14:03
Where are the Men? That's what I want to know.
Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 24 2015,14:08
QUOTE I'm not kidding. Even law enforcement said there was no threat, yet the school's president shut down classes and everyone's screaming about evil racism. I think someone was just looking for an excuse to have the whole week off for the holiday, instead of just the last three days. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 04 2016,07:52
"Campus Rape Court" still moving forward.< http://www.nationalreview.com/article....sisting > They should just ban males from attending college. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 26 2016,16:45
Black woman says frat members called her racial slurs from windows of campus house.Frat provides security video that shows her on that day walking by unmolested. Then they show that the windows she claimed they were calling from have been sealed for years. College puts frat on probation. < http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/224838/ > Posted by GORDON on Feb. 05 2016,08:20
No rights in fraternities. Make a note of that.< http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/26083/ > Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 05 2016,09:26
(GORDON @ Feb. 05 2016,10:20) QUOTE No rights in fraternities. Make a note of that. < http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/26083/ > IUB must have a shitty law school. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 15 2016,05:01
A bunch of women are suing the U of TN over their "sexual discrimination" in dealing with rape accusations. About 7 paragraphs down you see what their problem is:QUOTE The plaintiffs say that UT’s administrative hearing process, which is utilized by public universities across the state, is unfair because it provides students accused of sexual assault the right to attorneys and to confront their accusers through cross-examination and an evidentiary hearing in front of an administrative law judge. They don't want the people accused of rape to be allowed legal representation. < http://www.tennessean.com/story....9966450 > Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 10 2016,17:33
< Guy - Montague - Expelled from Yale >So far, no details provided, but family is saying it's BS. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 10 2016,17:50
(TheCatt @ Mar. 10 2016,20:33) QUOTE < Guy - Montague - Expelled from Yale > So far, no details provided, but family is saying it's BS. QUOTE According to reports, police say Montague does not face criminal charges in New Haven and that there is no active investigation involving him. Guilty. Fuck you, get out, no trial. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 10 2016,18:25
Ah, the Ivy League.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 10 2016,18:25
(Malcolm @ Mar. 10 2016,21:25) QUOTE Ah, the Ivy League. It seems like the result of letting crazy people get too far with no natural consequences. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 10 2016,20:00
(GORDON @ Mar. 10 2016,20:25) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Mar. 10 2016,21:25) QUOTE Ah, the Ivy League. It seems like the result of letting crazy people get too far with no natural consequences. The macro-struggle of mankind is the fight against that very trend. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 11 2016,04:54
I think mankind is losing.I bet a dollar we're in another dark ages within 100 years, not because of an asteroid or peak oil or global warming, but because the crazy people will hit critical mass. Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 11 2016,06:45
On a side note:QUOTE Information pertaining to a student's withdrawal from the university is maintained as part of the student's confidential educational record This is federal law. In all these cases where the school refuses to disclose any information about how a student is disciplined or not that's because under the < FERPA > act they are not allowed to do so. Eventually a reporter somewhere will stumble across this fact and stop acting like the schools are always hiding something when they refuse to reveal information like that. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 11 2016,07:48
I don't think the schools are hiding anything, I don't understand how the schools can have jurisdiction over criminal matters like rape. If this girl thinks she was raped, why didn't she go to the real police? Why did she, essentially, tell on him to her teacher?It makes sense for the schools to just throw out every male accused of rape. They just want the tuition money from the student and the government on behalf of the student, they don't actually care if he gets an education. They can throw out 100 men a year on spurious sex crimes charges and still reject another excess 1000 for admission the next year. It literally makes no sense for them to actually investigate and get a "they blame the poor woman victims" reputation. Kick the man out, the government says they don't have to release any information as to why, case closed, fuck you. Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 11 2016,14:14
Agreed on all points.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 14 2016,16:48
(TheCatt @ Mar. 10 2016,20:33) QUOTE < Guy - Montague - Expelled from Yale > So far, no details provided, but family is saying it's BS. < Follow-up > QUOTE According to Stern, Montague and a female student developed a relationship that led to their sleeping together in Montague's room four times in the fall of 2014. What is in dispute is the fourth occasion. According to the statement from Montague's attorney, Montague and the woman had consensual sex and then went separate ways. The statement said that later that night, she reached out to him to meet up, returned to his room voluntarily and spent the night in his bed with him. However, the woman stated she did not consent to sexual intercourse, while Montague said she did, the statement said. "Only two persons could have known what happened on that fourth night," Stern said. "The panel chose to believe the woman, by a 'preponderance of the evidence.' We believe that it defies logic and common sense that a woman would seek to re-connect and get back into bed with a man who she says forced her to have unwanted sex just hours earlier. And yet the Dean accepted this conclusion and ordered Jack to be expelled. His decision was then upheld by the Provost. ... According to Stern's statement, the woman reported the incident to a Title IX coordinator a year later; the coordinator filed a formal complaint with the University-Wide Committee. That's some SERIOUS bullshit. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 14 2016,17:29
There you go blaming the victim. Nice.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 31 2016,06:39
(TheCatt @ May 12 2015,17:46) QUOTE < UVA sues Rolling Stone > Damn right. < Alleged rape victim doesn't want deposition > QUOTE Jackie's lawyers claim she would be re-victimized if forced to recount the incident under oath and would be at risk of "extreme psychological" and "irreparable harm." The former UVA student, whose account of the incident formed the basis of the Rolling Stone article, has not been identified in court papers. The article detailed a gang rape, but the story was eventually retracted, and police in Charlottesville found no evidence to support Jackie's claim. Rolling Stone apologized for the article and the fraternity was ultimately cleared. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 31 2016,08:00
Nice victim shaming, CNN.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 31 2016,11:26
< Two drunks caught fucking >.The chick: Wasted to the tune of 3x times the legal limit and blackout blitzed. Does not have a penis. The dude: Wasted to the tune of 2x times the legal limit and probably not in the best state of mind. Does have a penis. Is looking at 10 years in jail and sexual assault convictions. Unless he's got a history of shit sort of thing (which I doubt he had time for what with training for the Junior Olympics), let me break down what most likely happened: a couple of lightweights drank far too much and have no hope of remembering what the fuck actually transpired. Should he get off without punishment? Of course not. But this... QUOTE “He may not look like a rapist, but he is the … face of campus sexual assault,” Deputy District Attorney Alaleh Kianerci told the jury, according to the Mercury News. Come the fuck on. The face of campus sexual assault is a thoroughly wasted freshman swimmer? |