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Forum: Internet Links Topic: Father is mad over murdered son started by: Leisher Posted by Leisher on May 26 2014,18:36
< Yahoo makes it a front page story. >Pretty disgusting to turn a father's mourning into a front page story to further a political agenda. I get the man's anger, but really no gun killed his son. A mentally disturbed man did. What should really be getting investigated is why so many people were told this was about to happen, yet nobody did anything to stop it. And if anyone really did want to argue the whole "this was because of guns bullshit": QUOTE Elliot Rodger, 22, the son of a Hollywood director, fatally stabbed three people in his apartment before shooting three people dead near the University of California at Santa Barbara. Guess we have to ban knives too. Posted by Vince on May 27 2014,08:54
The more I read about this Rodger guy, the more I wish he hadn't killed himself so I could punch his whiney ass right in the face. If there's a better example of what we produce with all our "self esteem for doing nothing" culture, I'm hard pressed to find it.
Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2014,09:04
There's not a brain in the head of anyone quoted in that article.
Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2014,09:20
QUOTE According to his family's attorney and a family friend, Rodger saw multiple therapists ever since he was eight years old and was a student at Santa Barbara City College, although the school later claimed he was no longer taking classes. The lawyer also said that Rodger was diagnosed with "highly functional Asperger syndrome" as a child. QUOTE On one online forum, Rodger stated that he opposed interracial dating and made several racist posts regarding African American, Hispanic, South Asian, and East Asian peoples, stating that seeing men of these ethnic groups socializing with white women "makes you want to quit life". QUOTE "I'm 22 years old and I'm still a virgin. I've never even kissed a girl. I've been through college for two and a half years, more than that actually, and I'm still a virgin. It has been very torturous. College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. Within those years, I've had to rot in loneliness. It's not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me, but I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime, because... I don't know what you don't see in me. I'm the perfect guy and yet you throw yourselves at these obnoxious men instead of me, the supreme gentleman." Yeah. Totally a problem with the guns. Posted by Vince on May 27 2014,09:41
I've always thought it is important to play games with your kids starting at an early age and let them both win and lose in near equal numbers. It's important that they learn to win and lose with grace.This kid was a punk that needed a foot up his ass most of his life most likely. That a 22 year old is crying about what's fair or not is mind blowing. Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2014,10:00
(Vince @ May 27 2014,11:41) QUOTE This kid was a punk that needed a foot up his ass most of his life most likely. That a 22 year old is crying about what's fair or not is mind blowing. QUOTE In a previous incident, Rodger "wrote that he tried to shove 'girls' at a party over a ledge, but he couldn't do it, and then men rushed to him and pushed him over". He stated that he "felt a snap in [his] ankle, followed by a stinging pain" and "tried to get away from there as fast as [he] could". Realizing that he left his Gucci sunglasses at the social gathering, Rodger returned to retrieve them but the "same people he had tangled with before began mocking him and calling him names, then dragged him into the driveway to beat him up". Yeah, that worked real well. Simply because an ass-beating is warranted doesn't necessarily mean it does any good. Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2014,10:18
< Batshit insane woman > blames movies.QUOTE How many students watch outsized frat-boy fantasies like “Neighbors” and feel, as Rodger did, unjustly shut out of college life that should be full of “sex and fun and pleasure”? How many men, raised on a steady diet of Judd Apatow comedies in which the shlubby arrested adolescent always gets the girl, find that those happy endings constantly elude them and conclude, “It’s not fair”? Are you shitting me? < Response >. Posted by Vince on May 27 2014,10:25
(Malcolm @ May 27 2014,12:00) QUOTE QUOTE In a previous incident, Rodger "wrote that he tried to shove 'girls' at a party over a ledge, but he couldn't do it, and then men rushed to him and pushed him over". He stated that he "felt a snap in [his] ankle, followed by a stinging pain" and "tried to get away from there as fast as [he] could". Realizing that he left his Gucci sunglasses at the social gathering, Rodger returned to retrieve them but the "same people he had tangled with before began mocking him and calling him names, then dragged him into the driveway to beat him up". Yeah, that worked real well. Simply because an ass-beating is warranted doesn't necessarily mean it does any good. That ass whooping occurred way too late to do any good. His introduction to not being a cry-baby and daily ass whoopings should have happened years prior to the deck incident. On winning the lottery... QUOTE "I knew I was always destined for great things. This must be it! I was destined to be the winner of the highest lottery jackpot in existence. I knew right then and there that this jackpot was meant for me. Who else deserved such a victory? I had been through so much rejection, suffering, and injustice in my life, and this was to be my salvation. With my whole body filled with feverish hope, I spent $700 dollars on lottery tickets for this drawing. As I spent this money, I imagined all the amazing sex I would have with a beautiful model girlfriend I would have once I become a man of wealth." Severe ass whoopings warranted. Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2014,10:51
I must've missed the scientific study which directly linked getting your ass beat to increased social empathy.
Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2014,12:22
< Facebook censors "fan sites >."
Posted by GORDON on May 27 2014,12:27
(Malcolm @ May 27 2014,13:51) QUOTE I must've missed the scientific study which directly linked getting your ass beat to increased social empathy. A punch in the nose at the right time in your development can be an amazing reality check. Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2014,12:39
(GORDON @ May 27 2014,14:27) QUOTE (Malcolm @ May 27 2014,13:51) QUOTE I must've missed the scientific study which directly linked getting your ass beat to increased social empathy. A punch in the nose at the right time in your development can be an amazing reality check. Ah, the ever elusive "right time." Physical punishment is not a guarantee of proper behaviour any more than it's a guarantee of extracting reliable info from someone. Posted by GORDON on May 27 2014,13:08
If you say so.
Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2014,13:10
(GORDON @ May 27 2014,15:08) QUOTE If you say so. I must be forgetting that golden era in American education when corporal punishment gave us high quality students. Posted by GORDON on May 27 2014,13:13
You probably are.
Posted by TPRJones on May 27 2014,13:44
Well, whatever Peter Rodger did as a father, it clearly wasn't correct.
Posted by Vince on May 27 2014,14:12
(Malcolm @ May 27 2014,15:10) QUOTE (GORDON @ May 27 2014,15:08) QUOTE If you say so. I must be forgetting that golden era in American education when corporal punishment gave us high quality students. I'd love to see the correlation between corporal punishment in schools and math and reading proficiency. Posted by GORDON on May 27 2014,14:38
ANd the advent of ADHD
Posted by Vince on May 27 2014,14:42
I would guess that whipping someone's ass might not make them learn any better, but the odds of the kid that needed the ass whooping preventing others from learning would probably drop.
Posted by TPRJones on May 27 2014,14:49
I expect what's really needed is balance. Constantly beating a kid is not likely to have a positive result. Constantly coddling a kid is also not likely to have a positive result.Some of our grandparents are examples of the former. Some of the current generation are examples of the latter. Posted by GORDON on May 27 2014,14:54
I never said anything about constant beating, I said a punch in the nose at the right time in life is a good reality check. I didn't even imply an adult had to do the punching.My citation of reference is Charlie Murphy, from Charlie Murphy's True Hollwood Stories. In one such tale he and his less famous brother Eddie had accepted a visit from singer Rick James. Rick went to Eddie's new white couch and rubbed his muddy feet all over it, at which time Charlie and Edward attacked him most cruelly, punching him repeatedly in the long muscle of the thigh. Ouch. Eddie, ever the soft heart, said he felt bad for hurting Rick. Charlie, much wiser than young Edward, said, "We aren't hurting him, we're helping him." Check and mate, gentlemen. Posted by Vince on May 27 2014,14:55
(TPRJones @ May 27 2014,16:49) QUOTE I expect what's really needed is balance. Constantly beating a kid is not likely to have a positive result. Constantly coddling a kid is also not likely to have a positive result. I agree. I joke a lot about whooping a kid's ass, but some kids do well to that and some do better just shaming the hell out of them. The parent needs to know the kid. My step daughter from my first marriage only had to be told she was getting a spanking and she punished herself worrying about it to the point where she barely got a swat once the time came. But I think the unearned praise, participation trophies, and parents that act like their kid should never face diversity are a problem pretty uniformly across the board. Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2014,15:14
QUOTE Charlie, much wiser than young Edward, said, "We aren't hurting him, we're helping him." If my brother had the ability to retain whatever lawyer I wanted, I'd probably say the same shit. To boot, I'm going to bet Rick James was high as shit for that entire decade. If someone's got enough chems to numb their brain, then the only recourse is generally physical. Kid had Gucchi sunglasses and a BMW. I'm going to guess he wasn't hurting for cash. Which is shitty because it sounds like a high-class hooker or two at the proper time in life would've done him much better than an ass kicking. Posted by TPRJones on May 27 2014,15:29
(Vince @ May 27 2014,16:55) QUOTE But I think the unearned praise, participation trophies, and parents that act like their kid should never face diversity are a problem pretty uniformly across the board. I've seen a kid that had been treated pretty badly his whole life dumped into a family that did this sort of thing. Although it confused the hell out of him at first, it also seemed to do him a world of good. Fortunately before he swung too far the other way he realized it was just as much of a form of lie as the other extreme, and he didn't turn into a little shit. But that's a rare case. Usually too much of this crap is not good. Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2014,22:11
Extremes are generally shitty. Going from one polar opposite to the other is a painful and often destructive process but generates unique viewpoints.
Posted by Leisher on May 28 2014,06:28
The debate about how to properly raise a child will go on forever.I personally feel that the correct answer is in the middle. You need to give a child praise, but at the same time, you can't give them false praise. Sometimes everyone should get a trophy, and sometimes people need to feel the bitterness of losing. A child also needs to get spoiled when they do something right, and get a slap on their butt when they fuck up from time to time. The problem in our society is that too many morons think a slap on the butt cheek equals someone beating their child senseless. I promise you that someday there will be a new movement that talks about how cruel time outs were, and they were just a form of emotional child abuse. As for this asshole, how about him just being crazy? He isn't hideous, he's a director's son, and they obviously have money. He had to have serious issues going on if he's never even kissed a girl. Seriously, how many girls do you know who would think he's cute without the cash, BMW, and direct access to Hollywood? As for the "blame movies" horseshit. If that's the case, then I guess we could have at least delayed this killing spree by just showing him "40 Year Old Virgin"... Posted by Malcolm on May 29 2014,10:21
< And more >.QUOTE "After Columbine, after Sandy Hook, after things like this, the usual arguments come up. On the gun side, it's take all the guns away - the extremists say - or give everybody a gun," Beliz said.
It's the "same thing with the mental illness side - it's 'Make the laws tougher, hospitalize everybody, throw away the key.' That's great until it's your kid." Posted by GORDON on May 29 2014,12:43
Make sure the mental health hospitals are not the nightmares that Reagan shut down in the 80's, and the decision is not as difficult.
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