Topic: US official is fucking idiot
started by: Malcolm
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 10 2014,10:31
< Heroin ODs must be stopped. >QUOTE
Still, fatal heroin overdoses have increased 45 percent from 2006 to 2010, with 3,038 such deaths reported that year, and the numbers are believed to still be on the rise, according to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
Yeah, that's quite a bit.
< Not as much as oxy >.
QUOTE
The CDC's latest figures show that 16,500 people died from overdoses tied to common narcotic pain relievers — such as Vicodin, OxyContin, Opana and methadone — in 2010.
Holy shit. But surely those numbers are at least increasing at a slower rate than h ... right?
QUOTE
In the past 11 years, deaths from overdose increased more than 400% among women, compared with a 265% rise among men.
So, we'll be nice and say it averages out at 300%.
Why is heroin getting the bad rap over its more deserving prescription cousins?
QUOTE
In the $600 billion worldwide pharmaceutical industry, for every dollar a company spends on "basic research," it puts $19 toward promotion and marketing, according to a report last year by BMJ, a London based medical journal.
I'm sure none of that goes to bribes.
But at least there's no crossover between heroin use and prescription painkiller use.
QUOTE
Many individuals who start out abusing oxycodone turn eventually to heroin as they build up a tolerance to the pain pills and find that they can buy heroin far more cheaply than prescription medications on the black market, experts say.
Yeah, it's the street drugs that are causing your problems.
QUOTE
A record 4.02 billion drug prescriptions were written in the U.S. in 2011, up from 3.99 billion the year before, according to the journal ACS Chemical Neuroscience.
There is no cartel in the world that makes 4 billion individual sales per year.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 13 2014,10:28
< FDA approves another opiod >.QUOTE
"We recognize that this is a powerful drug, but we also believe that if appropriately used, it serves an important and unique niche with respect to pain medication and it meets the standards for safety and efficacy, recognizing its addiction potential and understanding, of course, the broader context of the serious problem of opioid medication abuse and misuse in this country," Hamburg said at a hearing of the Senate's Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee.
Allow me to translate for those of you not fluent in bullshit.
QUOTE
After Hamburg's comments, shares of the San Diego, California-based pharmaceutical company rose more than 5 percent before settling up 3.7 percent at $3.64 in late-morning trade on the Nasdaq.
Zohydro is expected to hit the U.S. market this month after the FDA cleared the painkiller in last year, overruling its panel of outside advisers who recommended against approval, citing safety concerns about the potential for abuse.
Zohydro is expected to hit the U.S. market this month after the FDA cleared the painkiller in last year, overruling its panel of outside advisers who recommended against approval, citing safety concerns about the potential for abuse.
Fuck your safety, there's money to be made here.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 13 2014,10:32
A friend of mine was in the clinical trial for Zohydro. It was apparently the most effective treatment she'd ever had for chronic pain. With fewer side effects than other strong pain killers. She was ecstatic when she could finally get a valid prescription for it.So, yeah, Malcolm - fuck her.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 13 2014,10:55
(TheCatt @ Mar. 13 2014,12:32)
QUOTE
A friend of mine was in the clinical trial for Zohydro. It was apparently the most effective treatment she'd ever had for chronic pain. With fewer side effects than other strong pain killers. She was ecstatic when she could finally get a valid prescription for it.
So, yeah, Malcolm - fuck her.
So, yeah, Malcolm - fuck her.
I'm not saying it's ineffective. I'm saying the response of, "Yeah, we know it'll be abused, but because of some unique properties it has..." being used to justify the legality could be applied to any number of chems.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 13 2014,11:55
I'd generally rather take the risk of abuse than of preventing medicine to people.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 13 2014,11:59
I don't think the meds are the problem. Pretty sure the doctors are.
Posted by Vince on Mar. 13 2014,13:23
(TheCatt @ Mar. 13 2014,13:55)
QUOTE
I'm for letting the people decide with advice of their doctors. Especially when it comes to things like cancer treatment drugs for stage 4 cancer. Never understood why pharm companies couldn't have open trials for anyone that wants to join at that point.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 07 2014,13:23
< Med center > refuses to prescribe new drug. Even with new shit like < this > on the market, unfortunately by prescription only.
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 07 2014,14:01
Bah, what's a little constant agony for a few unimportant people? This is to protect The Childrens!
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 07 2014,14:53
(TPRJones @ Apr. 07 2014,16:01)
QUOTE
Bah, what's a little constant agony for a few unimportant people? This is to protect The Childrens!
I openly question what percentage of prescribed drugs go to use as opposed to abuse. If it's more than half, I'd be shocked. It's also a fairly hypocritical thing for the FDA to approve an insanely powerful opiate when the US Attorney General just got finished bitching about the number of heroin ODs. Then, on top of that, they make the opiate OD antidote available only by prescription.
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 07 2014,21:16
QUOTE
I openly question what percentage of prescribed drugs go to use as opposed to abuse.
Meh, I don't really care. Adults should be able to use any drugs they pay for and decide to take. I am not a fan of the whole concept of controlled substances.
Laws designed to protect people from themselves never work and almost always end up hurting more people than they help.
Posted by Vince on Apr. 08 2014,02:40
(TPRJones @ Apr. 07 2014,23:16)
QUOTE
Meh, I don't really care. Adults should be able to use any drugs they pay for and decide to take. I am not a fan of the whole concept of controlled substances.
I pretty much agree with the caveat that it be done after they fix/dismantle the current welfare system.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2014,05:02
I have a solution to the current welfare system.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2014,07:21
QUOTE
Adults should be able to use any drugs they pay for and decide to take.
Not if I foot part of the bill for their ER visits and medical treatment.
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 08 2014,07:54
(Malcolm @ Apr. 08 2014,09:21)
QUOTE
Not if I foot part of the bill for their ER visits and medical treatment.
You shouldn't be forced to, no. But even if you are forced to, two wrongs don't make a right and having your liberty violated is never a valid reason to support violating someone else's liberty.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2014,08:20
(TPRJones @ Apr. 08 2014,09:54)
QUOTE
(Malcolm @ Apr. 08 2014,09:21)
QUOTE
Not if I foot part of the bill for their ER visits and medical treatment.
You shouldn't be forced to, no. But even if you are forced to, two wrongs don't make a right and having your liberty violated is never a valid reason to support violating someone else's liberty.
Convenient how my pocketbook is made to be the sacrifice in that equation.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2014,08:34
(Malcolm @ Apr. 08 2014,10:21)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Adults should be able to use any drugs they pay for and decide to take.
Not if I foot part of the bill for their ER visits and medical treatment.
And here's the problem.... Malcolm is absolutely right to have an opinion about how other people treat their bodies, since his tax money is used to pay for their healthcare. He paid for the right to have an opinion about it. This was always my main objection to government run healthcare.
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 08 2014,09:00
QUOTE
Malcolm is absolutely right to have an opinion about how other people treat their bodies, since his tax money is used to pay for their healthcare.
I strongly disagree. Malcolm would be absolutely right to tell the government to fuck off and leave his money alone, although I wouldn't recommend it since it would probably end in jail. But that doesn't give him the right to curtial the liberty of others.
The government is the enemy here. Don't start attacking each other, then you'll let the terrorists in Congress win.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2014,09:16
This is why black market drug industry is superior to the one run above the table.QUOTE
Don't start attacking each other, then you'll let the terrorists in Congress win.
Fuck that. Someone voted those assholes in. Someone continues to vote them in despite a collective approval rating somewhere between 10-20%. I see-saw back and forth between blaming the politicians for having no job but getting reelected and the vast majority of voters for getting tricked into electing the same ineffective, incompetent thieves every fucking time.
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 08 2014,09:18
Well, if they've swallowed the "don't waste your vote on third party" bullshit then it's not like they have a choice when the two main candidates are basically the same. Unfortunately way too many people have fallen for that scam.
Posted by Vince on Apr. 08 2014,09:48
Heh... I was just thinking of that the other day. How the Libertarian party seems to want to stay small and without influence. Not that I disagree with legalizing drugs, but if that's what you're going to lead with every time ("Hi, I'm Joe Blow and if you elect be, I'll legalize pot!") then you're showing everyone that your priorities are too screwed to allow you any sort of consideration. Of all the things that need to be addressed here and you want to lead with that? Really? Is that your final answer?
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 08 2014,10:05
(Vince @ Apr. 08 2014,12:48)
QUOTE
Heh... I was just thinking of that the other day. How the Libertarian party seems to want to stay small and without influence. Not that I disagree with legalizing drugs, but if that's what you're going to lead with every time ("Hi, I'm Joe Blow and if you elect be, I'll legalize pot!") then you're showing everyone that your priorities are too screwed to allow you any sort of consideration. Of all the things that need to be addressed here and you want to lead with that? Really? Is that your final answer?
I agree with that.
Legalizing pot should be a back burner issue. Putting it on your own front page makes you look immature.
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 08 2014,10:16
I don't know, I can see legalization being a high priority issue if you consider that we have the highest prison populations per capita in the world and the vast majority are in there for non-violent drug crimes, one could argue that changing the laws to stop locking up most of an entire generation isn't a small issue.If it were just about recreation I would agree, but it's really not.
Posted by Vince on Apr. 08 2014,10:56
(TPRJones @ Apr. 08 2014,12:16)
QUOTE
... one could argue that changing the laws to stop locking up most of an entire generation isn't a small issue.
If it were just about recreation I would agree, but it's really not.
If it were just about recreation I would agree, but it's really not.
Sorry, I still consider it a small issue by comparison. And if we've really locked up most of a generation because they were either not smart enough not to get caught, or had too poor of impulse control then we have worse troubles than the illegal drugs (which goes back to my original point).
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2014,11:57
QUOTE
I can see legalization being a high priority issue if you consider that we have the highest prison populations per capita in the world and the vast majority are in there for non-violent drug crimes...
That's my primary practical argument (taxability and regulation come in second and third) for legalizing at least bud.
QUOTE
And if we've really locked up most of a generation because they were either not smart enough not to get caught, or had too poor of impulse control then we have worse troubles than the illegal drugs (which goes back to my original point).
That does get on my nerves. It's not like you have to be a genius or a covert agent to get away with most ganja-related crimes. However, stupidity is not a criminal offense ... yet.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2014,12:12
(Vince @ Apr. 08 2014,13:56)
QUOTE
(TPRJones @ Apr. 08 2014,12:16)
QUOTE
... one could argue that changing the laws to stop locking up most of an entire generation isn't a small issue.
If it were just about recreation I would agree, but it's really not.
If it were just about recreation I would agree, but it's really not.
Sorry, I still consider it a small issue by comparison. And if we've really locked up most of a generation because they were either not smart enough not to get caught, or had too poor of impulse control then we have worse troubles than the illegal drugs (which goes back to my original point).
The weed issue is bigger still, though. Yes, it would reduce prison populations. It'll also put petty dealers out of business. It'll also generate sin tax revenue. It'll also hurt drug cartels, to some extent. It'll also reduce the power of the DEA. It'll also reduce the government's ability to confiscate your house and car and boat because they found a joint in it. It'll also reduce the excuses of the local pigs to "think they smelled reefer" so that gives them probable cause to sit your ass down on the side of the road while they spend 2 hours searching your car.
A lot of abuses are acceptable now because of the War on Drugs. Reducing what is illegal might alleviate some of that.
Or not.
But I am willing to give it a chance if the only danger is people having more freedom to smoke a joint.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 23 2014,10:40
< FDA rejects drug >. Why?QUOTE
The FDA hasn't officially made a ruling on the drug's status, but the administration typically follows the decisions arrived at by its panels.
... unless you bribe the appropriate officials...
QUOTE
Zohydro is expected to hit the U.S. market this month after the FDA cleared the painkiller in last year, overruling its panel of outside advisers who recommended against approval, citing safety concerns about the potential for abuse.
Gee, I wonder why the tiny Australia-based pharm company got slapped down while San Diego-based one got approved.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 01 2014,11:27
QUOTE
It's also a fairly hypocritical thing for the FDA to approve an insanely powerful opiate when the US Attorney General just got finished bitching about the number of heroin ODs.
Experts agree with < Malcolm >.
Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 01 2014,11:58
(Malcolm @ Apr. 08 2014,13:57)
QUOTE
QUOTE
And if we've really locked up most of a generation because they were either not smart enough not to get caught, or had too poor of impulse control then we have worse troubles than the illegal drugs (which goes back to my original point).
That does get on my nerves. It's not like you have to be a genius or a covert agent to get away with most ganja-related crimes.
So, Malcolm of September, do you have anything new to say on this point made by Malcolm of April?
Just curious.
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 01 2014,12:19
BURN.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 01 2014,12:22
The way I read it, Malcolm's mistake was being with the people he was with.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 01 2014,12:23
(TPRJones @ Oct. 01 2014,13:58)
QUOTE
(Malcolm @ Apr. 08 2014,13:57)
QUOTE
QUOTE
And if we've really locked up most of a generation because they were either not smart enough not to get caught, or had too poor of impulse control then we have worse troubles than the illegal drugs (which goes back to my original point).
That does get on my nerves. It's not like you have to be a genius or a covert agent to get away with most ganja-related crimes.
So, Malcolm of September, do you have anything new to say on this point made by Malcolm of April?
Just curious.
When the fascist pig assholes are putting up mandatory checkpoints and leaning half their body inside your car, shit's different. I still fail to see how it wasn't an illegal stop and search. Safety checkpoint my ass. We were doing nothing that would have warranted a traffic stop. All of us had amounts small enough such that we could've ingested them had our bags been in the front seat.
If I knew the cops and lawmakers in Iowa had dicks so tiny that they set up blockades to catch non-violent drug offenders, we would've driven through Illinois and taken a 30-45 minute detour through Wisconsin.
Had I been thinking ahead, I would have taken the smallest piece I had and preprocessed the buds into a more granular substance. There are a couple semi-hidden compartments in my backpack that are hard to notice unless you know how to spot them. Also, they 100% skipped checking the spare tire compartment.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 01 2014,12:32
Hate to say it, but this is the primary reason I got USMC Veteran license plates on all my vehicles, why I keep my hair short, and why I am white. When a cop pulls me over, he doesn't automatically suspect me of carrying, claiming, "I smell weed. Step out of the car."
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 01 2014,12:35
(GORDON @ Oct. 01 2014,14:32)
QUOTE
Hate to say it, but this is the primary reason I got USMC Veteran license plates on all my vehicles, why I keep my hair short, and why I am white. When a cop pulls me over, he doesn't automatically suspect me of carrying, claiming, "I smell weed. Step out of the car."
As I said, one of the dudes I was with had an unspiked mohawk and the other looked like a biker with his ear studs, beard, tattoos, and sunglasses. Coupled with the out-of-state plates, we were fucked.