Topic: Fast Food strikes
started by: Leisher
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 05 2013,08:00
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Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 06 2013,07:24
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The industry competes aggressively on value offerings and companies have warned that they would need to raise prices if wages were hiked.
Well, no shit. Payroll is the biggest expense in fast food. If you double the payroll, you double the menu prices. It will be the $2 value menu, and combo meals will run around $8 to $12. This is simple and easy to understand, why are so many people confused on this point?
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2013,10:24
(TPRJones @ Dec. 06 2013,10:24)
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The industry competes aggressively on value offerings and companies have warned that they would need to raise prices if wages were hiked.
Well, no shit. Payroll is the biggest expense in fast food. If you double the payroll, you double the menu prices. It will be the $2 value menu, and combo meals will run around $8 to $12. This is simple and easy to understand, why are so many people confused on this point?
Wellll..... obviously true cost of food were 100% of their expenses. But I see what you're getting at.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 06 2013,10:42
Well, okay, so more accurately if you doubled payroll it would become the $1.78 menu (given typical profits of 10% and payroll being roughly 70% of costs, and payroll being the only element changed).Except that it would creep up a bit later on due to increased other costs from suppliers rising to meet this new surge of inflation in the market and eventually plateau at being the $2 menu. So there.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 06 2013,10:54
I want them to raise it so I can watch BK employees bitch about how the value menu at McD's has gone up in price.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 08 2013,11:14
(TPRJones @ Dec. 06 2013,13:42)
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Well, okay, so more accurately if you doubled payroll it would become the $1.78 menu (given typical profits of 10% and payroll being roughly 70% of costs, and payroll being the only element changed).
Except that it would creep up a bit later on due to increased other costs from suppliers rising to meet this new surge of inflation in the market and eventually plateau at being the $2 menu. So there.
Except that it would creep up a bit later on due to increased other costs from suppliers rising to meet this new surge of inflation in the market and eventually plateau at being the $2 menu. So there.
I'm reaching waaaaay back in memory here, when I took some business classes...
I want to say that payroll shouldn't be more than 25% of costs, in a restaurant.
I could very much be wrong.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 09 2013,03:29
Fast food is a different beast from a regular restaurant.My experience is limited, but at the two chains I worked at while younger I remember labor being about 70% at each.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 09 2013,05:30
This from ask.com:QUOTE
Average labor cost for restaurants vary on the different types of restaurant. For example, a fine dining restaurant will have a higher labor cost compared to a fast food restaurant. It is estimated that at least 31.9 percent of a restaurant's sales goes to labor expenses.
70% labor costs seems exorbitant for fast food. My wife used to be some sort of manager at Fazolis 12 years ago and she said they were shooting for 20% labor costs.
However, to undermine my original point and reinforce yours, if labor cost in a fast food restaurant is 25% and the workers are trying to legislate that their time is worth $15 an hour, which is an approximate (and I think I am being conservative, here, here) 60% increase of what I estimate is average (I have never seen a fast food joint that was able to get employees while paying minimum wage), then the dollar menu would indeed end up being the buck sixty menu, which I think is pretty close to what you originally said.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 09 2013,06:05
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National Restaurant Association
As of July 2010, the National Restaurant Association reported that labor expenses represented about 1/3 of the total sales of most U.S. full-service restaurants. According to the report, full-service restaurants with an average guest check of $15 or less spent about 32.2 percent of their gross sales on salaries and wages. Restaurants with guest checks totaling between $15 and $25 spent about 31.8 percent and restaurants with guest spending more than $25, as well as limited-service eateries, contributed 31.9 percent of their sales to labor expenses.
Restaurant Report
Online restaurant management, marketing and operational resource website, Restaurant Report, offers slightly varying statistics in an article titled, "Restaurant Accounting: For Profit's Sake, Inventory Your Food Cost!" written by Ron Gorodesky and Kate Lange. According to the authors, at the time of publication, the food and labor costs to operate a restaurant accounted for anywhere from 50 to 75 percent of the establishment's total sales. The article states that of that 50 to 75 percent, 28 to 35 percent represented the cost of foods. Ultimately, according to Restaurant Report, the cost of labor would consume 22 to 40 percent of the restaurant's gross profits.
Read more: < http://www.ehow.com/info_84....] >
KFC is where I had the most inside information, and 70% labor costs were the case at the one I worked at. Food costs was less than 10%. The rest was franchise fees, utilities, and maintenance (although the owner did most of the maintenance, which he charged as labor). There was no rent to be paid, so perhaps that makes that particular case unusual.
My other experience was at a Hardee's, and I recall labor costs being high there as well (specifically that the labor costs were "4 times" the food costs) but I didn't get to look at the financials there to be properly informed.
Has anyone here actually ever managed a fast food restaurant? That's the opinion I'd like to hear. And no, full-service or even casual dining doesn't count; I suspect they are too different to be comparable.
(Paul @ Dec. 17 2013,16:17)
I would prefer that. Any mistakes during order entry are then my own fault.
I'd also love for fast food places to have a website to make an order, get a code, then you drive to the fast food place, enter your code at the DRIVE THROUGH kiosk, and then they make the order for you. Again, you skip erroneous order entry.
Or there should be an app for that that turns your order into a QR code that you hold up to the scanner at the drive-thru.
(TPRJones @ Dec. 17 2013,15:47)
Or there should be an app for that that turns your order into a QR code that you hold up to the scanner at the drive-thru.
That would do it. Would take all the annoyance out of operating those things.
< http://money.cnn.com/2014....t=hp_t3 >
I have had a lot of screwed up orders lately. I wonder if I could start a movement to get their pay reduced, because $9/hour is too much for a retard who can't make a sandwich correctly.
This isn't a civil rights movement, it's a debate about pay. "Rights" don't enter into it.
Because you're not qualified to earn more?
I'm someone who supports a higher minimum wage (I'd rather have that than more welfare, etc). But damn... where's the logic there?
And yes, I'd like to know what rights he think he has that are being violated?
The IUFAHRCTAWA?
(GORDON @ May 11 2014,23:25)
I dare you to make that into a sign and stand with the protesters.
(Leisher @ May 12 2014,10:20)
(GORDON @ May 11 2014,23:25)
I dare you to make that into a sign and stand with the protesters.
That would be awesome.
On the one hand, yes, I do think minimum wage should be higher. If only to incentivize working more, and reduce welfare. But damn people... why do you have 2 kids if you have been working at Dominos your whole life? I have 2 kids. You know how expensive kids are? Well, yes you seem to know now, but did you know 3 years ago before you started having them?
I think people should stop buying shit they don't need.
(Leisher @ May 16 2014,08:56)
I think people should stop buying shit they don't need.
Not sure how anyone buys much of anything at $7.25/hr.
(TheCatt @ May 16 2014,09:15)
(Leisher @ May 16 2014,08:56)
I think people should stop buying shit they don't need.
Not sure how anyone buys much of anything at $7.25/hr.
Yet, I'll bet they do. I'd love to know how many of them have cell phones. Fair or not, they're human and you know we could go search their expenditures and find waste.
But pointing a finger at them is not my intention here. People at any level of the work force should be able to afford luxuries. It's what separates their job from slavery.
No, my point is that the cost of living is too high. As a society, we've allowed prices to spiral out of control. I'd like to see a consumer revolution.
Raise minimum wages, whatever. However, let's put some more power and value into the dollars they're earning.
Prices should be lower too.
(Leisher @ May 16 2014,10:00)
OK, here's my problem with that argument:
1) Inflation is a mildly necessary evil, overall. Let's say Mr. Bob has $1 Million. If there is deflation, Mr. Bob can just sit on his money, and it's value (measured in ability to buy stuff), actually goes up. With inflation, Mr. Bob's purchasing ability will deteriorate over time. If he does nothing, he will go broke much more quickly than with deflation. So what are his options? Basically, he needs his money to make more money, or need to invest human capital (work) to make more money. How do you invest money? By putting it to work in the economy: investing, building things, etc. Which makes total wealth go up by creating things, etc, etc.
2) Purchasing power is what matters (real income). By raising minimum wage, you essentially increase the purchasing power of those people, allowing them to buy goods. You also cut the government out of the equation, by reducing welfare (and government inefficiency, etc).
Here is minimum wage in constant 2011 dollars, over time
I think $10-15 is not unreasonable, and has a lot of positives. Then, index it to inflation to keep it inline in terms of purchasing power. Will it cost some jobs? Probably, no one really knows, we just have estimates. AT least one state is already around that level, and still has very low unemployment #s. But one state doesn't represent the entire nation.
(TheCatt @ May 16 2014,17:15)
I agree with this approach. And it will never happen. First off, we'd all recognize they've been lying to us by not including the prices of energy and food in the inflation rate. Secondly, they would never be able to use the minimum wage as a political issue without admitting they've been lying to us about inflation.
The government measures inflation by averaging it across all goods purchased. So again, poor people have a LOT less money than rich people, so again: 95 poor people could be experiencing 5%+, 5 rich people experiencing 1%, and it averages out to 2% inflation because the rich people have/spend so much more money.
Honestly, it's never been better to be rich in the US in the past century than in the past 30 years.
(TheCatt @ May 17 2014,10:44)
I thought they didn't include food and energy in that.
I was happier being pissed at the gubberment for not including it, though ;-)
Just because they are over the age of 24 doesn't mean they aren't still children.
(GORDON @ May 30 2014,10:14)
1) Fuck that. Idiot managers deserve all the lip they get. Shitty jobs are there to convince you to move on in life. It's one of the earliest practicable demonstration of the Peter Principle most people encounter.
2) Low pay needs to be an incentive to move on to a better job unless your lifestyle permits it or you simply don't care.
And wtf would that 2-year degree be in? Psychology? Liberal arts? English? Art History?
(Malcolm @ May 30 2014,11:33)
(GORDON @ May 30 2014,10:14)
1) Fuck that. Idiot managers deserve all the lip they get. Shitty jobs are there to convince you to move on in life. It's one of the earliest practicable demonstration of the Peter Principle most people encounter.
2) Low pay needs to be an incentive to move on to a better job unless your lifestyle permits it or you simply don't care.
Not many people are going to succeed in life if they can't hold their tongue to a superior who also happens to be an idiot. That's just the way life is.
(GORDON @ May 30 2014,10:22)
Because "everyone deserves respect" or some shit.
Fuck that. I do not bow to the idiots or the idiocy. It's open season on the stupid.
(Malcolm @ May 30 2014,11:36)
Fuck that. I do not bow to the idiots or the idiocy. It's open season on the stupid.
Never compromise, Rorschach.
nice pull.
That's a lot of crappy jobs to try and move up from.
(GORDON @ May 30 2014,11:48)
That's one of the problems. Going out and having a couple kids on top of that is where it sounds like people get buried. To which I reply that condoms are cheaper than raising a kid.
(Malcolm @ May 30 2014,13:28)
(GORDON @ May 30 2014,11:48)
That's one of the problems. Going out and having a couple kids on top of that is where it sounds like people get buried. To which I reply that condoms are cheaper than raising a kid.
Yeah, I had that point ready in the wings. Peeps having kids before they can support them, and then whining that they can't support them on fast food wages.
Fuck these people. Take their kids and put them with successful families. I'll take one.
(TPRJones @ May 30 2014,14:58)
Soylent Green.
They've been building their cash registers to be so easy to use a McDonald's employee is able to use them. That means any idiot should be able to. Just turn it around and put a printer in the kitchen and that's all it takes.
In related news, you know those guys/gals who start on the street and spin signs for businesses? I saw a robot version on the way to work yesterday.
(Leisher @ Sep. 04 2014,13:49)
You mean a sign attached to a windmill wheel?
This thing had a wide base, and possibly tank treads. From the base an arm stuck up with the sign attached that would wave the sign around and randomly twirl it.
(Leisher @ Sep. 04 2014,14:26)
Like this?
"Okay." Hands a $10. "Oh, let me give you a penny."
Get's handed 23 cents in change. Not worth hurting someone's feelings over (and I'm pretty sure I would have if I'd said anything), but there's a reason you aren't getting paid any more than you are sweetie.
On the other hand, I envision her telling her family tonight
"So some guy came in, and gave me an extra penny when he paid, just so I'd have to give it right back in his change. What a moron. I can't believe I don't get paid more."
As of July 2010, the National Restaurant Association reported that labor expenses represented about 1/3 of the total sales of most U.S. full-service restaurants. According to the report, full-service restaurants with an average guest check of $15 or less spent about 32.2 percent of their gross sales on salaries and wages. Restaurants with guest checks totaling between $15 and $25 spent about 31.8 percent and restaurants with guest spending more than $25, as well as limited-service eateries, contributed 31.9 percent of their sales to labor expenses.
Restaurant Report
Online restaurant management, marketing and operational resource website, Restaurant Report, offers slightly varying statistics in an article titled, "Restaurant Accounting: For Profit's Sake, Inventory Your Food Cost!" written by Ron Gorodesky and Kate Lange. According to the authors, at the time of publication, the food and labor costs to operate a restaurant accounted for anywhere from 50 to 75 percent of the establishment's total sales. The article states that of that 50 to 75 percent, 28 to 35 percent represented the cost of foods. Ultimately, according to Restaurant Report, the cost of labor would consume 22 to 40 percent of the restaurant's gross profits.
Read more: < http://www.ehow.com/info_84....] >
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 09 2013,07:25
Again, I can only go by personal experience (because my Google searches have failed me), but I'm certain that fast food and full-service restaurants are very very different beasts. After all, you don't actually pay your servers there, you let tips take care of it. So that would bring labor costs down a lot, I would think.KFC is where I had the most inside information, and 70% labor costs were the case at the one I worked at. Food costs was less than 10%. The rest was franchise fees, utilities, and maintenance (although the owner did most of the maintenance, which he charged as labor). There was no rent to be paid, so perhaps that makes that particular case unusual.
My other experience was at a Hardee's, and I recall labor costs being high there as well (specifically that the labor costs were "4 times" the food costs) but I didn't get to look at the financials there to be properly informed.
Has anyone here actually ever managed a fast food restaurant? That's the opinion I'd like to hear. And no, full-service or even casual dining doesn't count; I suspect they are too different to be comparable.
Posted by Paul on Dec. 17 2013,13:17
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 17 2013,13:29
(Paul @ Dec. 17 2013,16:17)
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I would prefer that. Any mistakes during order entry are then my own fault.
I'd also love for fast food places to have a website to make an order, get a code, then you drive to the fast food place, enter your code at the DRIVE THROUGH kiosk, and then they make the order for you. Again, you skip erroneous order entry.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 17 2013,13:47
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I'd also love for fast food places to have a website to make an order, get a code, then you drive to the fast food place, enter your code at the DRIVE THROUGH kiosk, and then they make the order for you. Again, you skip erroneous order entry.
Or there should be an app for that that turns your order into a QR code that you hold up to the scanner at the drive-thru.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 17 2013,13:48
Good idea, isn't it. I invented it right before I wrote it down.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2013,18:13
(TPRJones @ Dec. 17 2013,15:47)
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I'd also love for fast food places to have a website to make an order, get a code, then you drive to the fast food place, enter your code at the DRIVE THROUGH kiosk, and then they make the order for you. Again, you skip erroneous order entry.
Or there should be an app for that that turns your order into a QR code that you hold up to the scanner at the drive-thru.
That would do it. Would take all the annoyance out of operating those things.
Posted by GORDON on May 08 2014,05:43
Round 3: May 2014< http://money.cnn.com/2014....t=hp_t3 >
I have had a lot of screwed up orders lately. I wonder if I could start a movement to get their pay reduced, because $9/hour is too much for a retard who can't make a sandwich correctly.
Posted by Leisher on May 08 2014,05:46
I'd like to ask the guy in the picture for that article, "What rights do you think you have?"This isn't a civil rights movement, it's a debate about pay. "Rights" don't enter into it.
Posted by TheCatt on May 08 2014,05:54
The guy with the picture is Frankie Tisdale:QUOTE
Frankie Tisdale, a 26-year-old worker from a KFC in Brooklyn said he will join the strike with fellow workers next week.
Tisdale lives in his father's house in Brooklyn with his girlfriend and two young children. He earns $8 an hour and works between 14 and 23 hours a week.
With less than $200 a week, he sometimes has to choose between buying food for the family and taking his kids' clothes for a wash to the laundromat. He said it's too expensive to eat at the KFC where he works so he never does. "Everything costs more. Why can't my pay go up?" Tisdale says.
Tisdale lives in his father's house in Brooklyn with his girlfriend and two young children. He earns $8 an hour and works between 14 and 23 hours a week.
With less than $200 a week, he sometimes has to choose between buying food for the family and taking his kids' clothes for a wash to the laundromat. He said it's too expensive to eat at the KFC where he works so he never does. "Everything costs more. Why can't my pay go up?" Tisdale says.
Because you're not qualified to earn more?
I'm someone who supports a higher minimum wage (I'd rather have that than more welfare, etc). But damn... where's the logic there?
And yes, I'd like to know what rights he think he has that are being violated?
Posted by GORDON on May 08 2014,05:56
I wonder how much a washboard costs.
Posted by Malcolm on May 08 2014,07:18
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Organizers see these actions as a testimonial to the success of their campaigns. The latest protests are backed by the International Union of Food, Agricultural, Hotel, Restaurant, Catering, Tobacco and Allied Workers' Associations, a federation composed of 396 trade unions in 126 countries representing a combined 12 million workers.
The IUFAHRCTAWA?
Posted by TheCatt on May 11 2014,16:42
< More on Frankie >
Posted by GORDON on May 11 2014,17:21
Too bad poor frankie had kids before he could afford them. If only there was a way to prevent that from happening.
Posted by Cakedaddy on May 11 2014,20:17
I keep wondering why these people are trying to raise families while working at McDonald's. Isn't fast food something you do a a kid while in school and stuff?
Posted by GORDON on May 11 2014,20:25
OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD PAY FOR MY POOR LIFE DECISIONS.
Posted by Leisher on May 12 2014,07:20
(GORDON @ May 11 2014,23:25)
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OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD PAY FOR MY POOR LIFE DECISIONS.
I dare you to make that into a sign and stand with the protesters.
Posted by TheCatt on May 12 2014,09:35
(Leisher @ May 12 2014,10:20)
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(GORDON @ May 11 2014,23:25)
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OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD PAY FOR MY POOR LIFE DECISIONS.
I dare you to make that into a sign and stand with the protesters.
That would be awesome.
Posted by TheCatt on May 16 2014,05:16
< Strikes yesterday. More people profiles. >On the one hand, yes, I do think minimum wage should be higher. If only to incentivize working more, and reduce welfare. But damn people... why do you have 2 kids if you have been working at Dominos your whole life? I have 2 kids. You know how expensive kids are? Well, yes you seem to know now, but did you know 3 years ago before you started having them?
Posted by Leisher on May 16 2014,05:56
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I do think minimum wage should be higher.
I think people should stop buying shit they don't need.
Posted by TheCatt on May 16 2014,06:15
(Leisher @ May 16 2014,08:56)
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I do think minimum wage should be higher.
I think people should stop buying shit they don't need.
Not sure how anyone buys much of anything at $7.25/hr.
Posted by Leisher on May 16 2014,06:45
(TheCatt @ May 16 2014,09:15)
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(Leisher @ May 16 2014,08:56)
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I do think minimum wage should be higher.
I think people should stop buying shit they don't need.
Not sure how anyone buys much of anything at $7.25/hr.
Yet, I'll bet they do. I'd love to know how many of them have cell phones. Fair or not, they're human and you know we could go search their expenditures and find waste.
But pointing a finger at them is not my intention here. People at any level of the work force should be able to afford luxuries. It's what separates their job from slavery.
No, my point is that the cost of living is too high. As a society, we've allowed prices to spiral out of control. I'd like to see a consumer revolution.
Raise minimum wages, whatever. However, let's put some more power and value into the dollars they're earning.
Posted by TheCatt on May 16 2014,06:48
I don't get your point, I'll come back when I have more time.
Posted by Leisher on May 16 2014,07:00
To simplify what I'm saying:Prices should be lower too.
Posted by TheCatt on May 16 2014,15:13
(Leisher @ May 16 2014,10:00)
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To simplify what I'm saying:
Prices should be lower too.
Prices should be lower too.
OK, here's my problem with that argument:
1) Inflation is a mildly necessary evil, overall. Let's say Mr. Bob has $1 Million. If there is deflation, Mr. Bob can just sit on his money, and it's value (measured in ability to buy stuff), actually goes up. With inflation, Mr. Bob's purchasing ability will deteriorate over time. If he does nothing, he will go broke much more quickly than with deflation. So what are his options? Basically, he needs his money to make more money, or need to invest human capital (work) to make more money. How do you invest money? By putting it to work in the economy: investing, building things, etc. Which makes total wealth go up by creating things, etc, etc.
2) Purchasing power is what matters (real income). By raising minimum wage, you essentially increase the purchasing power of those people, allowing them to buy goods. You also cut the government out of the equation, by reducing welfare (and government inefficiency, etc).
Here is minimum wage in constant 2011 dollars, over time
Posted by TheCatt on May 16 2014,15:15
So for the 2nd half of the 80s, and the entire 90s and 2000s, it was lower than it had been from the 60s through the mid-80s. Thus, people working for those wages, or close to those wages lost a significant amount of income.I think $10-15 is not unreasonable, and has a lot of positives. Then, index it to inflation to keep it inline in terms of purchasing power. Will it cost some jobs? Probably, no one really knows, we just have estimates. AT least one state is already around that level, and still has very low unemployment #s. But one state doesn't represent the entire nation.
Posted by Vince on May 17 2014,07:39
(TheCatt @ May 16 2014,17:15)
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I think $10-15 is not unreasonable, and has a lot of positives. Then, index it to inflation to keep it inline in terms of purchasing power.
I agree with this approach. And it will never happen. First off, we'd all recognize they've been lying to us by not including the prices of energy and food in the inflation rate. Secondly, they would never be able to use the minimum wage as a political issue without admitting they've been lying to us about inflation.
Posted by TheCatt on May 17 2014,08:44
Inflation is tricky. What you experience in terms of inflation really depends on what you buy. Which is well correlated to how much money you have. Poor people spend a higher %age of their money on food. Rich people spend relatively little on food. So food inflation, if it's 6 to 10%, will cause a more significant burden on the poor than on the rich. Whereas technology/electronics generally experience negative inflation due to product improvements (compare today's $1,000 TV to a $1,000 tv 20 years ago). Poor people could be experiencing 5%+ inflation in a world where rich people are seeing about 1%. The government measures inflation by averaging it across all goods purchased. So again, poor people have a LOT less money than rich people, so again: 95 poor people could be experiencing 5%+, 5 rich people experiencing 1%, and it averages out to 2% inflation because the rich people have/spend so much more money.
Honestly, it's never been better to be rich in the US in the past century than in the past 30 years.
Posted by Vince on May 17 2014,10:26
(TheCatt @ May 17 2014,10:44)
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The government measures inflation by averaging it across all goods purchased.
I thought they didn't include food and energy in that.
Posted by Vince on May 17 2014,10:30
Nevermind... < looked it up. >I was happier being pissed at the gubberment for not including it, though ;-)
Posted by TheCatt on May 30 2014,07:47
< More fast food workers are adults than in the past >QUOTE
In 1979, teenagers held 26% of all low-wage jobs, while adults aged 25-64 made up less than half of such workers, according to the Center for Economic and Policy Research, which analyzed the low wage workforce over a 30-year span.
Today, only 12% of low paying jobs are held by teenagers, while adults make up 60% of them. Also, only 20% of such workers had attended some college in 1979. Today, it's 33%.
...
They look more and more like Dre Finley, who earns $8.78 an hour at Arby's in Tampa, Fla. He is 24, has a five-year-old daughter and another child on the way. Finley also holds an associates degree from a community college.
"Some customers think you're stupid because you're behind the counter, but I have an education," said Finley.
Today, only 12% of low paying jobs are held by teenagers, while adults make up 60% of them. Also, only 20% of such workers had attended some college in 1979. Today, it's 33%.
...
They look more and more like Dre Finley, who earns $8.78 an hour at Arby's in Tampa, Fla. He is 24, has a five-year-old daughter and another child on the way. Finley also holds an associates degree from a community college.
"Some customers think you're stupid because you're behind the counter, but I have an education," said Finley.
Posted by GORDON on May 30 2014,08:14
Well, I think the purpose of fast food jobs for the last 25 years or so has been to teach teenagers how to show up on time, do a simple task properly, and learn to not lip off to idiot managers. These low paying jobs aren't intended for adults.
Posted by TPRJones on May 30 2014,08:18
These aren't adults.Just because they are over the age of 24 doesn't mean they aren't still children.
Posted by GORDON on May 30 2014,08:22
Yeah, so why is anyone taking them seriously? Why isn't anyone calling them on their bullshit on TV or something?
Posted by Malcolm on May 30 2014,08:33
(GORDON @ May 30 2014,10:14)
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Well, I think the purpose of fast food jobs for the last 25 years or so has been to teach teenagers how to show up on time, do a simple task properly, and learn to not lip off to idiot managers. These low paying jobs aren't intended for adults.
1) Fuck that. Idiot managers deserve all the lip they get. Shitty jobs are there to convince you to move on in life. It's one of the earliest practicable demonstration of the Peter Principle most people encounter.
2) Low pay needs to be an incentive to move on to a better job unless your lifestyle permits it or you simply don't care.
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Finley also holds an associates degree from a community college.
"Some customers think you're stupid because you're behind the counter, but I have an education," said Finley.
"Some customers think you're stupid because you're behind the counter, but I have an education," said Finley.
And wtf would that 2-year degree be in? Psychology? Liberal arts? English? Art History?
Posted by GORDON on May 30 2014,08:34
(Malcolm @ May 30 2014,11:33)
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(GORDON @ May 30 2014,10:14)
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Well, I think the purpose of fast food jobs for the last 25 years or so has been to teach teenagers how to show up on time, do a simple task properly, and learn to not lip off to idiot managers. These low paying jobs aren't intended for adults.
1) Fuck that. Idiot managers deserve all the lip they get. Shitty jobs are there to convince you to move on in life. It's one of the earliest practicable demonstration of the Peter Principle most people encounter.
2) Low pay needs to be an incentive to move on to a better job unless your lifestyle permits it or you simply don't care.
Not many people are going to succeed in life if they can't hold their tongue to a superior who also happens to be an idiot. That's just the way life is.
Posted by TPRJones on May 30 2014,08:36
(GORDON @ May 30 2014,10:22)
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Yeah, so why is anyone taking them seriously? Why isn't anyone calling them on their bullshit on TV or something?
Because "everyone deserves respect" or some shit.
Posted by Malcolm on May 30 2014,08:36
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Not many people are going to succeed in life if they can't hold their tongue to a superior who also happens to be an idiot. That's just the way life is.
Fuck that. I do not bow to the idiots or the idiocy. It's open season on the stupid.
Posted by GORDON on May 30 2014,08:37
(Malcolm @ May 30 2014,11:36)
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Not many people are going to succeed in life if they can't hold their tongue to a superior who also happens to be an idiot. That's just the way life is.
Fuck that. I do not bow to the idiots or the idiocy. It's open season on the stupid.
Never compromise, Rorschach.
Posted by Leisher on May 30 2014,08:42
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Never compromise, Rorschach.
nice pull.
Posted by GORDON on May 30 2014,08:57
Watched it a few nights ago on the big screen.
Posted by Vince on May 30 2014,09:16
Heheh... Rorschach...
Posted by TheCatt on May 30 2014,09:30
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44% of American jobs created in the past four years have been in low wage industries like fast food, according to the National Employment Labor Project, a liberal labor rights advocacy group.
That's a lot of crappy jobs to try and move up from.
Posted by GORDON on May 30 2014,09:48
That's a lot of people who were told that a liberal arts degree was worth $25k in student loans.
Posted by Malcolm on May 30 2014,10:28
(GORDON @ May 30 2014,11:48)
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That's a lot of people who were told that a liberal arts degree was worth $25k in student loans.
That's one of the problems. Going out and having a couple kids on top of that is where it sounds like people get buried. To which I reply that condoms are cheaper than raising a kid.
Posted by GORDON on May 30 2014,10:30
(Malcolm @ May 30 2014,13:28)
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(GORDON @ May 30 2014,11:48)
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That's a lot of people who were told that a liberal arts degree was worth $25k in student loans.
That's one of the problems. Going out and having a couple kids on top of that is where it sounds like people get buried. To which I reply that condoms are cheaper than raising a kid.
Yeah, I had that point ready in the wings. Peeps having kids before they can support them, and then whining that they can't support them on fast food wages.
Fuck these people. Take their kids and put them with successful families. I'll take one.
Posted by Malcolm on May 30 2014,10:37
Let me know how that controlled breeding/rearing proposal works out.
Posted by GORDON on May 30 2014,10:55
Only way to take bad nurturing out of the equation is to get them away from the bad nurturers.
Posted by TPRJones on May 30 2014,12:58
I still think every problem our society faces can be solved with one word: biofuel.
Posted by Malcolm on May 30 2014,13:04
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I still think every problem our society faces can be solved with one word: biofuel.
Soylent Green.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 11 2014,08:59
Wealth inequality in the US
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 15 2014,16:07
< News Alert: Thing That Was Obviously Going to Happen is Starting to Happen! >They've been building their cash registers to be so easy to use a McDonald's employee is able to use them. That means any idiot should be able to. Just turn it around and put a printer in the kitchen and that's all it takes.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 15 2014,17:52
Not even a printer, just a screen. Didn't I see a headline the other day that said robots could now make hamburgers?
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 04 2014,11:09
< Again >.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 04 2014,11:49
Morons. They'll all be jobless within 4 years. In related news, you know those guys/gals who start on the street and spin signs for businesses? I saw a robot version on the way to work yesterday.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 04 2014,12:23
(Leisher @ Sep. 04 2014,13:49)
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In related news, you know those guys/gals who start on the street and spin signs for businesses? I saw a robot version on the way to work yesterday.
You mean a sign attached to a windmill wheel?
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 04 2014,12:26
In theory, yes. This thing had a wide base, and possibly tank treads. From the base an arm stuck up with the sign attached that would wave the sign around and randomly twirl it.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 04 2014,12:42
(Leisher @ Sep. 04 2014,14:26)
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In theory, yes.
This thing had a wide base, and possibly tank treads. From the base an arm stuck up with the sign attached that would wave the sign around and randomly twirl it.
This thing had a wide base, and possibly tank treads. From the base an arm stuck up with the sign attached that would wave the sign around and randomly twirl it.
Like this?
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 04 2014,12:50
I think if Johnny Five fucked a broom stick, it'd be a close match.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 04 2014,13:30
I thought the idea behind the guy spinning the sign was that you could not install permanent signage, so a homeless/whatever guy holding a sign for 8 hours gets around that. A robot still gets around that loophole?
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 04 2014,13:58
Why not? I wasn't very big at all. Even if it wasn't on wheels 1-2 guys could move it easily.
Posted by Vince on Oct. 06 2014,16:45
Went to Krystals for lunch. "That'll be $9.76""Okay." Hands a $10. "Oh, let me give you a penny."
Get's handed 23 cents in change. Not worth hurting someone's feelings over (and I'm pretty sure I would have if I'd said anything), but there's a reason you aren't getting paid any more than you are sweetie.
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 06 2014,16:57
On the one hand, she knew she needed to do something with that penny.On the other hand, I envision her telling her family tonight
"So some guy came in, and gave me an extra penny when he paid, just so I'd have to give it right back in his change. What a moron. I can't believe I don't get paid more."