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Forum: Internet Links Topic: Clinging to segregation started by: Leisher Posted by Leisher on Jun. 21 2013,11:55
< These folks in South Africa > are clinging to segregation, and they're not mincing words about why.This is interesting. Are they bigots? Yes. However, aren't people outside their walls who refuse to just let them exist in their own little world bigots too? The people in this community obviously have racist views, but at the same time, isn't it racist to ignore their concerns that have actual merit? Zimbabwe's farming situation should be the world's primary example that you can't just take something successful from one person and give it to another and expect the same results. (Note: I'm purposely avoiding the skin color part of that equation and the whole "government just taking something from someone and giving it to someone else" because it's already been established that these people are racist, and we all know governments are run by corrupt morons.) Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 21 2013,12:09
I would be inclined to leave them alone. This way they're all in one place and you can be sure not to go there and you don't have to deal with them. And I would also have no problem with their more zelous opponents setting up protest camps outside their fence. More people I wouldn't want to deal with in a known location that can be avoided.Sounds ideal to me. As long as they let people leave who want to leave, like the kids when they grow up into adults. That would be a problem if they kept people in against their will. Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 21 2013,12:22
QUOTE “We feel that our culture is being threatened and we want to protect it and we want to nurture it,” said Marisa Haasbroek, a writer and mother who serves as voluntary spokeswoman for a gated community called Kleinfontein. ... “My son is the tenth generation with the Haasbroek name in South Africa,” she said. “We are not colonists. We have been here for generations and generations building up the roads, making the infrastructure.” Wow. Ten whole generations. I'm sure they beat out all the Africans around there. QUOTE Before moving to the town of some 1,000 residents, applicants must embrace the community’s “core values,” which are about being a Protestant Christian, an Afrikaner – the group descended from Dutch settlers – and speaking Dutch-based Afrikaans. No non-whites or Jews live or work within its boundaries. If this law is in accordance with whatever state they live in, then yeah, I guess they're legally allowed to do it. QUOTE The people in this community obviously have racist views, but at the same time, isn't it racist to ignore their concerns that have actual merit? Ignoring the concerns of racists does not make me racist. If they say shit like this... QUOTE “We are worrying about black people,” said Foley, 76. “Every time they get their hands on something, it is going bankrupt, there are troubles," he said. "White people gave them clothes, an education.” ... then they're effectively saying, "Black people are incapable of keeping something economically solvent because they're black." While he may identifying a real problem (crime/poverty in South Africa) he's claiming it's associated with a certain demographic because of their skin colour. QUOTE However, aren't people outside their walls who refuse to just let them exist in their own little world bigots too? If all they wanted to do was exist, they wouldn't be getting such heat. They want to exist according to their exclusionary beliefs. If they lived in their own goddamned kingdom, then they'd have a legal basis to let in and keep out whomever they pick. They do not; they live in a country with fellow citizens. Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 22 2013,07:49
I just wanted to note that "you have to be tolerant of intolerance" is a bit bullshit in almost all cases. Typically this is used in reference to someone being racist or homophobic or some other such thing. If someone hates someone else because of how they were born, that is a choice, and I can damn well condemn them for making a choice I find to be evil and hateful. People don't choose their race, so it's not like someone can just stop being black. But racism is a choice and - however unlikely it may seem - someone can in fact choose not to be racist. That's the fundamental difference.
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