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Forum: Internet Links Topic: Begun, the Anonymous Wars Have started by: GORDON Posted by GORDON on Jun. 10 2011,09:41
< http://www.rawstory.com/rs....hackers >QUOTE Spanish police said Friday they had nabbed three hackers from vigilante group Anonymous for online attacks on Sony PlayStation and the governments of Egypt, Libya and Iran among others. I predict reprisals. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 10 2011,09:53
I predict a bunch of kids going "oh crap, they really will catch us"
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 10 2011,10:30
You think kids have awareness that their actions have consequences, especially "hacker" kids "behind 7 different proxies?"
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 10 2011,11:55
Once they see people they know getting busted, yes.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 10 2011,12:46
Perhaps.I just don't think this is the last we'll be hearing of Anonymous. Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 10 2011,17:11
It'll weed out the idiots, which is usually good for any organization.
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 10 2011,19:52
Trying to get rid of Anonymous will be about as effective as trying to stop piracy. Some people will go to jail. Some will get away. Either way there will be more taking their place.It's become more of an idea than an organization. Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 11 2011,10:07
And the gov't is still way behind the private sector in terms of sheer programming/hacking chops.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 11 2011,13:06
Took down a government website in Turkey.< http://mashable.com/2011/06/10/anonymous-turkey/ > Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 11 2011,13:35
I'm sure Turkish cyber security is top notch.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 11 2011,13:37
I was surprised to hear they even had web sites.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 11 2011,17:18
Anonymous is sure getting a lot of press the past year.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 11 2011,19:25
Anonymous thumbs nose at NATO.< http://techland.time.com/2011....r-world > QUOTE "We do not wish to threaten anybody's way of life. We do not wish to dictate anything to anybody. We do not wish to terrorize any nation.
We merely wish to remove power from vested interests and return it to the people - who, in a democracy, it should never have been taken from in the first place. The government makes the law. This does not give them the right to break it. If the government was doing nothing underhand or illegal, there would be nothing 'embarassing' [sic] about Wikileaks revelations, nor would there have been any scandal emanating from HBGary. The resulting scandals were not a result of Anonymous' or Wikileaks' revelations, they were the result of the CONTENT of those revelations. And responsibility for that content can be laid solely at the doorstep of policymakers who, like any corrupt entity, naively believed that they were above the law and that they would not be caught. A lot of government and corporate comment has been dedicated to 'how we can avoid a similar leak in the future'. Such advice ranges from better security, to lower levels of clearance, from harsher penalties for whistleblowers, to censorship of the press. Our message is simple: Do not lie to the people and you won't have to worry about your lies being exposed. Do not make corrupt deals and you won't have to worry about your corruption being laid bare. Do not break the rules and you won't have to worry about getting in trouble for it." ... "do not make the mistake of challenging Anonymous. Do not make the mistake of believing you can behead a headless snake. If you slice off one head of Hydra, ten more heads will grow in its place. If you cut down one Anon, ten more will join us purely out of anger at your trampling of dissent." Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 11 2011,19:43
QUOTE "do not make the mistake of challenging Anonymous. Do not make the mistake of believing you can behead a headless snake. If you slice off one head of Hydra, ten more heads will grow in its place. If you cut down one Anon, ten more will join us purely out of anger at your trampling of dissent." Wtf? Their PR department needs help. Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 11 2011,20:47
There is no PR Department. It's just whoever decided to type that and send it to someone.Anonymous is not an organization in any sense of the word. It's a mob, very literally. It is composed of whomever decides to call themselves that at a given moment. Just like any mob, there are some in it that are focused on a goal or more active than others, and some that can convince other parts of the mob to do something in particular. But that's about it. It's very democratic that way. Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 11 2011,22:24
(TPRJones @ Jun. 11 2011,22:47) QUOTE There is no PR Department. It's just whoever decided to type that and send it to someone. Anonymous is not an organization in any sense of the word. It's a mob, very literally. It is composed of whomever decides to call themselves that at a given moment. Just like any mob, there are some in it that are focused on a goal or more active than others, and some that can convince other parts of the mob to do something in particular. But that's about it. It's very democratic that way. Schizophrenic, too. They may as well change their name to "angsty hackers anonymous" now. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 16 2011,06:49
< Anonymous vs themselves >Yeah, that sounds about right. Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 16 2011,11:14
Bah! Lulzsec is not Anonymous, they're just a bunch of mindless script kiddies that couldn't do anything without their little "hacking" utilities their big brother made for them so they could pretend to play bigboy games.Screw Lulzsec. They're morons and will absolutely get themselves caught. Too bad they're all way too young to be tried as adults. Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 16 2011,14:26
QUOTE Yesterday, Lulzsec engaged in a spree of hack attacks against gaming and gamers: They downed The Escapist magazine because some commenters said mean stuff about them, then took the games Eve Online, Minecraft and League of Legends—all 4chan favorites—offline. Lulzsec has demonstrated a strange fixation on hacking video game companies, hacking Sony repeatedly. And when they hit the game studio Bethesda, they gave it top billing over their "bonus" hacking of the U.S. Senate's website. Enjoy these times, boys and girls. Before shit like this gets used as an excuse to clamp down on cyberspace. Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 16 2011,14:46
You can't clamp down on cyberspace. You can try, but it will fail. The only way to effectively limit the internet is to take it down entirely. Which is unlikely to happen. And even if it does, then people will just set up ad-hoc networks and recreate the internet in an inefficient but nonetheless effective manner. It's one of those sorts of technologies that, once discovered, cannot be contained. Not without using wide-scale destruction to accomplish the job. Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 16 2011,15:33
QUOTE You can't clamp down on cyberspace. You can try, but it will fail. ... It's one of those sorts of technologies that, once discovered, cannot be contained. Not without using wide-scale destruction to accomplish the job. < Exhibit A > that the U.S. gov't isn't adverse to trying. QUOTE ...people will just set up ad-hoc networks and recreate the internet in an inefficient but nonetheless effective manner. Effectiveness is relative. It would suck. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 16 2011,16:23
I can see NICs being outlawed, hunted, and destroyed. About all you could do to drive the net underground.
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 17 2011,03:31
(Malcolm @ Jun. 16 2011,17:33) QUOTE QUOTE ...people will just set up ad-hoc networks and recreate the internet in an inefficient but nonetheless effective manner. Effectiveness is relative. It would suck. At first, sure, but pretty quickly technology would adjust from being geared towards big fat centralized pipes to a completely distributed network, and it would get better. I think this is eventually where we need to go, anyway, so I say to them bring it on. It'll just push us towards the future. IMO. Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 17 2011,17:55
I'd rather be pushed when there aren't razorblades on my slip-and-slide.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 22 2011,10:49
< FBI goes after Lulz Security. >In the comments they talk about how a 19 year old, that the article claims is the guy in charge of Lulz Security, was arrested, but I can't find that in the articles I'm seeing on the subject. Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 22 2011,11:33
That would be < Ryan Cleary > they are talking about. He runs an IRC server that LulzSec used for their IRC chat room. Along with lots of other IRC chat rooms.So of course, according to police, that makes him the ringleader of LulzSec. Which seems a little desperate to pin it all on someone fast, to me. Honestly, so far the authorities look more like the keystone kops on this one. Hell the FBI doesn't even know the difference between a single server and a server rack. That sort of thing doesn't make them look very competent. Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 22 2011,16:58
(TPRJones @ Jun. 22 2011,13:33) QUOTE Honestly, so far the authorities look more like the keystone kops on this one. Hell the FBI doesn't even know the difference between a single server and a server rack. That sort of thing doesn't make them look very competent. I've met data recovery/computer forensics specialists from the public, private, and academic sectors. The ones that worked in the private sector were usually stand-up cats, and more than a few were frighteningly knowledgeable about how to swipe goddamn near every bit of info off your machine. The academic ones were either too socially inept to hack it in the real world, suffered from Aquaman syndrome, or were just lazy. The ones in the public sector, the gov't ones, were the least impressive. They didn't strike me as IT specialists. It's like they found some cops who had a computer science hobby and trained them in very narrow ways. And they all came off like authoritarian pricks with Napoleon complexes, like the nerds that nerds pick on. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 27 2011,10:04
< Lulzsec disbands. >Maybe the feds' raid hit a bit too close to home? QUOTE Lulzsec’s end comes a week after the arrest of Ryan Cleary, who was suspected of being involved with the group. Earlier this week Lulzsec themselves were hacked by a group calling themselves The A-Team, who released Lulzsec members’ personal information and chat logs onto the Internet.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 27 2011,10:36
< Lulzsec hacked details >
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 27 2011,12:51
Apparently deciding on whether or not you want your born-with penis, is lullsy.
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