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Forum: General Stuff Topic: Prediction started by: GORDON Posted by GORDON on Oct. 09 2009,14:00
< http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33239990/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/ >On December 24 2009, several long range missiles are launched at Israel, from Iran. This is indisputable. The first 10 have conventional payloads, and 4 are intercepted by Israeli-staffed patriot missile systems, but the 11th is nuclear and Jerusalem is now a parking lot. Iran claims fringe elements of their military fired the missiles without authorization. What is the world's, and America's, response? Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 09 2009,14:12
Hippies are petrified if you breathe "Three Mile Island." & that's not even a real meltdown or show of what a nuclear explosion actually is.Russia & China might get trigger-happy. Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 09 2009,14:13
The initial response is from inside Iran. A very bloody battle starts, between the old Jew haters and the young technologically-minded populace. Note that there are more of the latter than the former now; Iranians don't survive to old age often.The UN starts drafting a nasty letter. Obama says some stern words, and threatens to possibly consider shaking his finger. There are very slow-moving riots throughout Florida, but the rioters all go home before dark. The next day there's a special at Lubby's and the riots never properly get going again. Within a week the current leadership of Iran is dead. Some believe it was the young Iranians. Some think it was Mossad operatives. Either way, after a few more weeks of riots and fighting, Iran turns into a new strongly secular democratic nation. Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 09 2009,14:15
(TPRJones @ Oct. 09 2009,16:13) QUOTE Either way, after a few more weeks of riots and fighting, Iran turns into a new strongly secular democratic nation. No friggin' way. Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 09 2009,14:16
Take the current leadership out of the picture, and it would happen. The majority of the populace there currently want just that. Unfortunately the minority that disagrees has all the guns (or, more specifically, hires all the mercenaries from out of country to come in and kill anyone that speaks up).
Posted by unkbill on Oct. 09 2009,14:38
(TPRJones @ Oct. 09 2009,14:16) QUOTE Unfortunately the minority that disagrees has all the guns (or, more specifically, hires all the mercenaries from out of country to come in and kill anyone that speaks up). I think that is called gun control. Or see "Hitler" in your history book. Posted by unkbill on Oct. 09 2009,14:46
As for the rest I wish they would give every man, woman and child(Jew and Muslim) guns, anti tank missles, grenades, mines, pistols, etc. all one person can handle. Last man standing wins. No more middle east conflict. Sorry I think both sides are assholes.
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 09 2009,15:06
Well, Obama's an Agent Of Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 09 2009,15:06
(TPRJones @ Oct. 09 2009,16:16) QUOTE Take the current leadership out of the picture, and it would happen. I don't see an internal revolution getting far w\o an outside source pumping arms to them. G's "Iran launching missiles" scenario doesn't do that. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 09 2009,15:33
(TheCatt @ Oct. 09 2009,18:06) QUOTE Well, Obama's an Agent Of Obama will scream NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and take off and fly around the Earth so fast that he turns back time to when the missiles are still in flight. Then he'll land in Jersalem and, like Neo, will hold up his hand and say, "No." The missiles will fall harmlessly out of the sky. When Obama is ready, he won't need to dodge bullets. But seriously........... I just can't see this leader of the free world doing anything about it. Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 09 2009,16:07
(GORDON @ Oct. 09 2009,17:33) QUOTE I just can't see this leader of the free world doing anything about it. Like I said, Russia & China. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 09 2009,16:10
Heh, so you did. Do they give a shit about Israel? Wouldn't Iran just pay for their indifference with a massive deal on oil?
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 09 2009,16:59
(GORDON @ Oct. 09 2009,18:10) QUOTE Heh, so you did. Do they give a shit about Israel? Wouldn't Iran just pay for their indifference with a massive deal on oil? Those two don't want psychos w\ nukes -- particularly psychos inclined to sell nukes to the highest bidder in the worldwide market of political dissidents. There is no deal they could make that's sweet enough to equal some breakaway province NOT getting a trump card. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 09 2009,17:00
(Malcolm @ Oct. 09 2009,19:59) QUOTE (GORDON @ Oct. 09 2009,18:10) QUOTE Heh, so you did. Do they give a shit about Israel? Wouldn't Iran just pay for their indifference with a massive deal on oil? Those two don't want psychos w\ nukes -- particularly psychos inclined to sell nukes to the highest bidder in the worldwide market of political dissidents. There is no deal they could make that's sweet enough to equal some breakaway province NOT getting a trump card. So what.... they nuke Terhan and other cities, and occupy the oil fields in force? Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 09 2009,17:27
(GORDON @ Oct. 09 2009,19:00) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Oct. 09 2009,19:59) QUOTE (GORDON @ Oct. 09 2009,18:10) QUOTE Heh, so you did. Do they give a shit about Israel? Wouldn't Iran just pay for their indifference with a massive deal on oil? Those two don't want psychos w\ nukes -- particularly psychos inclined to sell nukes to the highest bidder in the worldwide market of political dissidents. There is no deal they could make that's sweet enough to equal some breakaway province NOT getting a trump card. So what.... they nuke Terhan and other cities, and occupy the oil fields in force? Letting nukes get out of control is bad for biz. The hard-liners in Russia still remember that their shit economy couldn't pay the bills. Controlled chaos (letting violence at appreciable levels) is most profitable. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 09 2009,20:16
But that is neither fast nor decisive... gives time and leaves infrastructure and communications in place for military/religious leaders to cause more mess, like carrying another nuke on a camel over the mountain into your resort city on the Baltic Sea, or something.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 09 2009,20:38
(GORDON @ Oct. 09 2009,22:16) QUOTE But that is neither fast nor decisive... gives time and leaves infrastructure and communications in place for military/religious leaders to cause more mess, like carrying another nuke on a camel over the mountain into your resort city on the Baltic Sea, or something. There's no way, NO WAY Putin & his Chinese counterpart just sit & watch as Iran goes haywire. They're not wild about that shit. Fact #1 : Russia & China have helped Iran build their nuclear program. It's extremely profitable. Launching nukes takes them from "psychos threatening to use nukes" to "fuckers that used nukes." There's now way in hell they'll be able to do as much biz. Less profit. Fact #2 : Russia & China generally go the lightest on Iran of all the permanent veto security council members. They obviously want the rest of the world out of this shit. They want to drag out Iran's nuclear program for another fifty years, while they sell them second-rate parts, third-rate fuel, & fourth-rate scientists. Would either Russia or China go in & occupy that place & try to use it as a foothold in the Middle East? Ballsy as all hell & stupid to boot. But maybe. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 09 2009,20:42
How about closing all Iranian borders from the outside... no one gets in or out... and a country-wide no-fly zone is enforced? Every time a missile is launched, all of the area in a quarter mile radius is fuel-air bombed. Every time a radar is turned on, all of the area in a quarter mile radius is fuel-air bombed.Six months until they resort to cannibalism in the cities? Every time video footage of the collapse of the Iranian civilization is leaked, it will be aired alongside nuclear-blast-burned children from Jerusalem. Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 09 2009,21:15
(GORDON @ Oct. 09 2009,22:42) QUOTE How about closing all Iranian borders from the outside... no one gets in or out... and a country-wide no-fly zone is enforced? Every time a missile is launched, all of the area in a quarter mile radius is fuel-air bombed. Every time a radar is turned on, all of the area in a quarter mile radius is fuel-air bombed. Six months until they resort to cannibalism in the cities? Reduced to reactionary siege warfare? Not the most practical strategy. Enjoy your protracted war. Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 09 2009,21:48
I wonder if North Vietnam would get involved. There's plenty of crazy there to go around.And then there's Pakistan. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 10 2009,05:03
(Malcolm @ Oct. 10 2009,00:15) QUOTE (GORDON @ Oct. 09 2009,22:42) QUOTE How about closing all Iranian borders from the outside... no one gets in or out... and a country-wide no-fly zone is enforced? Every time a missile is launched, all of the area in a quarter mile radius is fuel-air bombed. Every time a radar is turned on, all of the area in a quarter mile radius is fuel-air bombed. Six months until they resort to cannibalism in the cities? Reduced to reactionary siege warfare? Not the most practical strategy. Enjoy your protracted war. Oh I WILL enjoy it. Hey, you guys are the ones talking about invading and occupying instead of flattening and parking-lot-creating. I'm just exploring the possible scenarios. Also, it wouldn't be a protracted war. It would be peeps at the borders with machine guns perforating everything that approaches that slipped by the air and ground patrols, for 5-10 years. Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 11 2009,10:04
QUOTE Hey, you guys are the ones talking about invading and occupying instead of flattening and parking-lot-creating. No parking lot takes 5 - 10 years to make. Go in, grab everyone by the throat, quietly shoot everyone that disagrees w\ you. QUOTE Also, it wouldn't be a protracted war. It would be ... for 5-10 years. How is that not protracted? Posted by GORDON on Oct. 11 2009,10:17
The war would last about 3 days until all Iranian military assets are bombed... I'm sure Russia and China were paying attention during America's last 2 major engagements. After that, it is just plastic ducks in a shooting gallery. I don't consider that a protracted war.
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