Forum: General Stuff Topic: Fannie and Freddie started by: GORDON Posted by GORDON on Jul. 16 2008,08:21
So the federal government is going to step in yet again to bail out a poorly-managed industry, probably to the tune of at least ten billion (judging from how much the airlines wanted in 2002).< http://www.reuters.com/article....icsNews > Hey, instead of giving this money to the same corporations that made bad decisions in the first place, why don't we crunch the numbers and see if it is feasible to just pay off some mortgages that are going into foreclosure? It isn't fair to EVERY home owner, of course, but it sure as hell isn't fair to the taxpayer to give money to a corporate entity that will still more than likely be paying huge bonuses to the executives in charge. By paying off individual mortgages, instead... well, hell with it. Even if it were feasible it would never happen. Posted by Mommy Dearest on Jul. 16 2008,08:44
Wow we agree!!!!!!!!!!! Freddie and Fannie were implied to be backed by the federal govt in the first place. However, if they could work to keep people in their homes there would not be a crunch. The mortgage company comes up and says, ok you can not do the 14%, how about if we restructure and make it 6%. Homeowners could keep their homes, the govment does not pay, and the mortgage companies are not stuck with a bunch of foreclosed houses that cost them more money than they are worth.But again you are correct. Makes too much sense. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 16 2008,09:09
QUOTE Connecticut Democratic Sen. Christopher Dodd, presiding over the hearing, said he would like to act on the plan this week. But he questioned how much power the plan would give to Treasury and how much risk taxpayers might have to shoulder. How about zero risk, Chris? But then again, it is fun to play w\ other people's cash. Posted by unkbill on Jul. 16 2008,10:13
(GORDON @ Jul. 16 2008,06:21) QUOTE corporate entity that will still more than likely be paying huge bonuses to the executives in charge. But I thought that is the way it works. Execs make porr decisions. Company goes belly up. Execs deploy golden parachute and walk away with millions while leaving the shareholders holding the bag. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 19 2008,12:43
Yes, they obviously need a government bail-out.< http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25740405/ > Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 19 2008,13:07
$20 mil? Motherfucker.
Posted by Mommy Dearest on Jul. 19 2008,18:37
(Malcolm @ Jul. 19 2008,14:07) QUOTE $20 mil? Motherfucker. No hon it is more like "Only 20 mil"mother fucker Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 20 2008,12:18
(Mommy Dearest @ Jul. 19 2008,18:37) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Jul. 19 2008,14:07) QUOTE $20 mil? Motherfucker. No hon it is more like "Only 20 mil"mother fucker Really? Does anyone have twenty million burning a hole in their pocket right now? Cos I'll take it. Hell, it's only $20 mil. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 20 2008,13:17
$20MM for running the company into the ground, at that.I mean, I could have done that for only $18MM. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 10 2008,10:58
Here's the list of senators who recievied bribes from Fannie and Freddie, over the last decade, broken down highest --> lowest.< http://www.opensecrets.org/news....ni.html > Obama is #3, impressive since he's only been a senator for 2 years. Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 10 2008,11:49
Obama has been a senator since Jan 2005, so more like 3 2/3 years.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 10 2008,12:12
Plus all that time as a community organizer, so I have trouble keeping his myriad executive experience straight.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 10 2008,13:28
Ah, Kit Bond & Roy Blunt, the two least competent conservatives ever to walk outta Misery.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 20 2008,10:48
Hitler responds to the bad news about his adjustable rate mortgage. Posted by Vince on Nov. 20 2008,15:30
I'm still waiting for the congressional hearings like we had for Enron. Mae and Mac are a good 10x the size of the losses there and we had hearings.So they're coming, right? Posted by GORDON on Nov. 20 2008,15:37
Possibly now that the election is over. Everyone ignored that Obama was the largest receiver of bribe money from them in all of Washington.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 20 2008,15:41
< No more foreclosures or evictions until January 9. >Merry Christmas! Grace period paid for by taxpayers? Nothin's free. Posted by Mommy Dearest on Nov. 20 2008,20:05
Getting no link?
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 20 2008,20:48
Still opens for me.
Posted by Mommy Dearest on Nov. 20 2008,20:50
(GORDON @ Nov. 20 2008,23:48) QUOTE Still opens for me. still got none.. try again tomorrow Posted by Alhazad on Nov. 21 2008,20:06
(GORDON @ Nov. 20 2008,10:48) QUOTE Hitler responds to the bad news about his adjustable rate mortgage. So heavyhanded... Posted by GORDON on Dec. 13 2008,10:53
In case you weren't angry about the idiot-bailout, yet...< http://money.cnn.com/2008....8120510 > Posted by Vince on Dec. 14 2008,19:49
I doubt it will matter in a couple of years. All the houses with be worth approx. 32 loaves of bread.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 09 2009,19:40
Democratic congress's fault.< http://blog.heritage.org/wp-cont....ort.pdf > QUOTE The housing bubble that burst in 2007 and led to a financial crisis can be traced back to federal government intervention in the U.S. housing market intended to help provide homeownership opportunities for more Americans. This intervention began with two government-backed corporations, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which privatized their profits but socialized their risks, creating powerful incentives for them to act recklessly and exposing taxpayers to tremendous losses. Government intervention also created “affordable” but dangerous lending policies which encouraged lower down payments, looser underwriting standards and higher leverage. Finally, government intervention created a nexus of vested interests – politicians, lenders and lobbyists – who profited from the “affordable” housing market and acted to kill reforms. In the short run, this government intervention was successful in its stated goal – raising the national homeownership rate. However, the ultimate effect was to create a mortgage tsunami that wrought devastation on the American people and economy. While government intervention was not the sole cause of the financial crisis, its role was significant and has received too little attention. The real tragedy of the government’s affordable housing policy is the impact on average Americans, particularly those of modest means. Millions of these borrowers, who were supposed to have been helped by federal affordable housing policy, have now been forced into delinquency and foreclosure, destroying their asset base, their credit, and in some cases their families. For example, Latino homeowners, who once appeared to be among the most frequent beneficiaries of affordable housing policies, are now the victims of the policies that their political representatives in Washington once championed. The consequences of these policies have also brought the entire global financial system to the brink of collapse, destroying trillions in equity and untold numbers of lives. It is essential to reexamine the borrow-and-spend, high-leverage policies that became prevalent in the mortgage market as a result of well-intentioned-but-reckless decisions made by elected officials on behalf of the American people. Washington must reexamine its politically expedient but irresponsible approach to encouraging higher levels of homeownership based on imprudently small down payments and too little emphasis on borrowers’ creditworthiness and ability to repay their loans. Without such a return to fiscal discipline and responsibility, we will continue making the same mistakes that led us to the current financial crisis. 1. Why the FUCK does Washington get involved in private industry like this? The meltdown is what we get. 2. Of course W had to sign Bills from Congress, so whatever. I don't remember him ever not signing something. 3. Obama still got more money from Freddie and Fannie than... anyone, ever? Don't remember. He was top 3, anyway. So at least the guy who got the most bribe money is now large and in charge. The Chicago Way. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 09 2009,20:45
QUOTE The more subtle change inside A.I.G. F.P. occurred not long after Cassano assumed control. In 1998, A.I.G. F.P. had entered the new market for credit-default swaps: it sold insurance to banks against the risk of defaults by huge numbers of investment-grade public corporations. As Gillian Tett tells it in her new book, Fool’s Gold, bankers at J. P. Morgan, having invented credit-default swaps, went looking for an AAA-rated company to assume the bulk of the risk associated with them, and discovered A.I.G. The relationship began innocently enough, by Wall Street standards. The risk in these early deals was indeed small: it was unlikely that large numbers of investment-grade companies in different countries and different industries would default on their debt at the same time. (Even now A.I.G. F.P.’s $450 billion portfolio of corporate credit-default swaps, which dwarfs the $75 billion portfolio of subprime-mortgage credit-default swaps, has avoided losses.) But it made explicit what until then had only been implicit: A.I.G. F.P. was the most receptive dumping ground for new risks created by big Wall Street firms.
And in the early 2000s, the big Wall Street firms performed this fantastic bait and switch in two stages. Stage One was to apply technology that had been dreamed up to re-distribute corporate credit risk to consumer credit risk. The banks that used A.I.G. F.P. to insure piles of loans to IBM and G.E. now came to it to insure much messier piles that included credit-card debt, student loans, auto loans, prime mortgages, and just about anything else that generated a cash flow. “The problem,” as one trader puts it, “is that something else came along that we thought was the same thing as what we’d been doing.” Because there were many different sorts of loans, to different sorts of people, the logic applied to corporate credit seemed to apply to this new pile of debt: it was sufficiently diverse that it was unlikely to all go bad at once. But then, these piles, at least at first, contained almost no subprime-mortgage loans. Toward the end of 2004, that changed dramatically—but just how dramatically A.I.G. F.P. was extremely slow to realize. In the run-up to the financial crisis there were several moments when an intelligent, disinterested observer might have realized that the system was behaving strangely. Maybe the most obvious of these was the effects of U.S. monetary policy on borrowing and lending. The combination of the dot-com bust and the 9/11 attacks had led Alan Greenspan to pump money into the system, and to lower interest rates. In June 2004 the Fed began to contract the money supply, and interest rates rose. In a normal economy, when interest rates rise, consumer borrowing falls—and in the normal end of the U.S. economy that happened: from June 2004 to June 2005 prime-mortgage lending fell by half. But in that same period subprime lending doubled—and then doubled again. In 2003 there had been a few tens of billions of dollars of subprime-mortgage loans. From June 2004 until June 2007, Wall Street underwrote $1.6 trillion of new subprime-mortgage loans and another $1.2 trillion of so-called Alt-A loans—loans which for some reason or another can be dicey, usually because the lender did not require the borrower to supply him with the information typically required before making a loan. The subprime sector of the financial economy clearly was responding to different signals than the others—and the result was booming demand for housing and a continued rise in house prices. Perhaps the biggest reason for this was that the Wall Street firms packaging the loans into bonds had found someone to insure against what turned out to be the rather high risk that they’d go bad: Joe Cassano. A.I.G. F.P. was already insuring these big, diversified, AAA-rated piles of consumer loans; to get it to insure subprime mortgages was only a matter of pouring more and more of the things into the amorphous, unexamined piles. They went from being 2 percent subprime mortgages to being 95 percent subprime mortgages. And yet no one at A.I.G. said anything about it—not C.E.O. Martin Sullivan, not Joe Cassano, not Al Frost, the guy in A.I.G. F.P.’s Connecticut office in charge of selling his firm’s credit-default-swap services to the big Wall Street firms. The deals, by all accounts, were simply rubber-stamped by Cassano and then again by A.I.G. brass—and, on the theory that this was just more of the same, no one paid them special attention. It’s hard to know what Joe Cassano thought and when he thought it, but the traders inside A.I.G. F.P. are certain that neither Cassano nor the four or five people overseen directly by him, who worked in the unit that made the trades, realized how completely these piles of consumer loans had become, almost exclusively, composed of subprime mortgages. Posted by unkbill on Jul. 10 2009,05:19
AIG. Isn't that the company that just today asked the government to sign off on 2 million in bonuses for 40 of there top execs?
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