Forum: General Stuff Topic: Trump 2016 started by: Leisher Posted by Leisher on Jun. 17 2015,12:01
It's a new presidential election cycle so queue the < musicians upset when anyone not on the far left uses their music >.But wait, < Trump's camp says they DID pay for the rights to use that song. > Would anyone be shocked if "whomever" took the check, and Neil still gets to thump his chest while cashing the check? Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 17 2015,12:06
I'm surprised any Republican would want that song as their theme song.Do they not understand it? Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 17 2015,12:36
Yeah, that song was written as a fuck you to Bush the greater.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 17 2015,12:38
Didn't someone use Springsteen's, "Born in the USA" a while back? Politicians have a long history of not paying attention to the music they use.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 17 2015,12:46
(GORDON @ Jun. 17 2015,14:38) QUOTE Didn't someone use Springsteen's, "Born in the USA" a while back? Politicians have a long history of not paying attention to the music they use. Think that was back in the '84 election when Reagan's team didn't officially use it as his campaign song, but mentioned it in a couple of his speeches in Jersey. Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 30 2015,10:15
< NBC > boots him.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 16 2015,14:51
Penn Jilette was asked about Trump's candidacy and he said he's a really smart guy, nuts, and refreshing because he speaks the truth. It's too bad he's crazy and the truth is filled with hatred. Trump responded in his normal fashion, bashing Penn non stop on Twitter today. Sometimes Trump sounds like a good option when he's quoting Reagen and bashing politicians on both sides. Then he sounds like a 10 year old whenever anyone criticizes him. Not sure we need a president who will send troops to die because Putin said his hair looks bad. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 16 2015,15:00
Donald Trump's diplomacy skills make me look like Henry goddamned Kissinger.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 16 2015,15:24
TRUMP COUNTRY
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 18 2015,10:23
< Trump continues his > baffling campaign.QUOTE “He was a war hero because he was captured,” Trump sarcastically told host Frank Luntz during the 2015 Family Leadership Summit. “I like people who weren’t captured.”
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 18 2015,10:40
On the other hand, some of us refer to Purple Heart medals as "Enemy Marksmanship Badges.":-D Posted by Vince on Jul. 20 2015,16:20
Trump is resonating and it's hard to put my finger on why. I think he'd be a horrible President and can't see myself even voting for him, much less supporting him, but he's hit certain notes.Left: If you send illegals back, you're heartless because you're breaking up families. Trump: If you let them stay, they rape and kill people. Left: He says all Mexicans are rapists! Truth: Lots of illegals rape and kill people. Apparently the "if it saves one life" argument is reserved only for the left. McCain: We should give these illegals a pathways to citizenship. Right: McCain's for amnesty! Left: McCain's a war hero maverick Trump: McCain's no war hero for getting captured. Truth: Every time the left agrees with McCain and the right doesn't they throw up his being a "POW war hero" to appeal to the patriotism of the right and we're kind of tired of hearing it. They don't speak of Chris Kyle as a war hero. Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 20 2015,19:00
He resonates because he's simultaneously looking like a 'tard and spending his own money doing it. He's like Ross Perot was: fun to watch on the campaign trail but holy fucking Christ forbid he gets near a major party nomination. He'll make James Buchanan look good.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 21 2015,12:33
< Trump continues > his comic relief strategy.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 04 2015,12:53
< Why you should always > listen to writers and never ad lib unless you're sure you don't suck at the kind of thing.QUOTE In an effort to respond to Donald Trump's controversial stance on immigration, Osbourne said: "If you kick every Latino out of this country, then who is going to be cleaning your toilet, Donald Trump?" She continued, "In the sense that...you know what I mean?
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 11 2015,06:56
< Gamers against Trump? >
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 11 2015,07:24
(Leisher @ Aug. 11 2015,08:56) QUOTE < Gamers against Trump? > Until you can vote through a PC, XBone, or PS4, it doesn't matter. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 11 2015,08:33
That's not true. The average age of gamers is somewhere in the 30s.They vote. They know the anti-gaming movement is horseshit and they take personal offense to it. Just looked it up: ![]() Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 11 2015,08:52
I don't see the voting stats. I see a downward trend < here > since '08 unless you're a retiree. There are only four categories of voters here, and 25-44 seems like a big range.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 11 2015,10:21
You don't need to see the voting stats. You're specifically said that unless these folks can vote through a console, they won't vote. I said that's bullshit. Anyone 18-44 would be considered a person who grew up gaming, so all those voters are "gamer" votes. I'd argue that even more people are gamers than anyone realizes. Everyone with a smartphone plays games on it while shitting or waiting for a meeting. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 11 2015,10:30
QUOTE You're specifically said that unless these folks can vote through a console, they won't vote. I said that's bullshit. Or a PC or laptop. Let's see how much they vote when a new CoD drops on Election Day. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 11 2015,11:10
QUOTE Let's see how much they vote when a new CoD drops on Election Day. You keep only mentioning console gamers. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 11 2015,11:45
(Leisher @ Aug. 11 2015,13:10) QUOTE QUOTE Let's see how much they vote when a new CoD drops on Election Day. You keep only mentioning console gamers. Fine, let's say a new Diablo. Posted by Troy on Aug. 11 2015,12:01
Fuck that, fool me once....
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 11 2015,12:46
(Troy @ Aug. 11 2015,14:01) QUOTE Fuck that, fool me once.... Same way I feel about voting. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 14 2015,12:12
< Insult someone Trump style! >
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 17 2015,10:07
< If true >, it's hilarious.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 24 2015,06:53
< Trump/Carson? >
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 24 2015,07:14
(Leisher @ Aug. 24 2015,08:53) QUOTE < Trump/Carson? > Got to pack the most crazy into one ticket. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 01 2015,10:28
< Picks the least interesting >, stupidest fucking talk show possible to go on, probably because Colbert or even Kimmel would fucking destroy him. Trump still has zero balls.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 03 2015,08:23
< Kareen Abdul-Jabbar pens open letter about Trump. >< Trump responds. > All of Trumps responses have been brash, and this is no different. He needs to learn some tact. However, Jabbar's essay is horseshit. He claims Trumps response proves his point, but his actual point was to push Sanders. Sanders was "right" to let two African American women disrupt a speech he was giving? That makes him a good candidate for president? What about everyone else in the audience who had their time wasted because Sanders let these women take over the event? What message does it send to anyone else with an agenda? What kind of president will Sanders make if he backs down in the face of adversity, particularly when someone is breaking established rules to the detriment of others. You're an idiot Kareem and seeing things through your personal prism. Your entire essay was nothing more than an attack on Trump and the Republicans to try and help Sanders' campaign. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 03 2015,08:43
QUOTE If you don’t have time for political correctness, you don’t have time to be the caretaker of our rights under the Constitution. The fuck? Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 03 2015,12:08
< Trump signs meaningless pledge >.QUOTE “I [name] affirm that if I do not win the 2016 Republican nomination for president of the United States I will endorse the 2016 Republican presidential nominee regardless of who it is,” reads the document. “I further pledge that I will not seek to run as an independent or write-in candidate nor will I seek or accept the nomination for president of any other party.”
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 03 2015,12:33
(Malcolm @ Sep. 03 2015,15:08) QUOTE < Trump signs meaningless pledge >. QUOTE “I [name] affirm that if I do not win the 2016 Republican nomination for president of the United States I will endorse the 2016 Republican presidential nominee regardless of who it is,” reads the document. “I further pledge that I will not seek to run as an independent or write-in candidate nor will I seek or accept the nomination for president of any other party.” Well heeiiil Hitler. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 03 2015,13:00
QUOTE Former Florida governor Jeb Bush, appearing Thursday on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” said that “of course” he would back Trump, should Trump emerge triumphant at next year’s GOP convention in Cleveland. “We need to be unified, we need to win,” Bush said. That's right, Jeb, the elections are all about making sure your party wins. Worrying about the people you're governing is second. Christ forbid any rank and file member question the awesome philosophy of the political party getting 100% schooled by a reality TV star/fifth-rate real estate developer who wouldn't be shit if he were he not born into a fortune. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 03 2015,14:41
Is there any video of a democrat saying the equivalent of "party over everything?"
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 03 2015,17:22
(GORDON @ Sep. 03 2015,16:41) QUOTE Is there any video of a democrat saying the equivalent of "party over everything?" I 100% guaran-goddamn-tee you that Joe Biden is waiting until the Family says it's ok to enter the race. You can probably find a quote somewhere, but it's "party loyalty." Same reason why Elizabeth Warren isn't running. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 08 2015,06:04
< New poll shows Trump ahead of Clinton and Sanders. >He also captures 25% of the black vote according to that poll. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 08 2015,06:20
Right this second I would vote for Trump just because he seems to piss so many of the correct people off.
Posted by Alhazad on Sep. 08 2015,07:19
(GORDON @ Sep. 08 2015,06:20) QUOTE Right this second I would vote for Trump just because he seems to piss so many of the correct people off. Post again once sober. Posted by Leisher on Sep. 08 2015,07:57
(Alhazad @ Sep. 08 2015,10:19) QUOTE (GORDON @ Sep. 08 2015,06:20) QUOTE Right this second I would vote for Trump just because he seems to piss so many of the correct people off. Post again once sober. In his defense, none of the candidates look good when you're sober. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 08 2015,08:02
(GORDON @ Sep. 08 2015,08:20) QUOTE Right this second I would vote for Trump just because he seems to piss so many of the correct people off. If you want to vote for someone who pisses people off, write me in. Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 08 2015,08:04
Hey, I'm running this year.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 08 2015,08:06
(Malcolm @ Sep. 08 2015,11:02) QUOTE (GORDON @ Sep. 08 2015,08:20) QUOTE Right this second I would vote for Trump just because he seems to piss so many of the correct people off. If you want to vote for someone who pisses people off, write me in. You missed the part where he said "the correct people". Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 08 2015,08:14
(Leisher @ Sep. 08 2015,10:06) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Sep. 08 2015,11:02) QUOTE (GORDON @ Sep. 08 2015,08:20) QUOTE Right this second I would vote for Trump just because he seems to piss so many of the correct people off. If you want to vote for someone who pisses people off, write me in. You missed the part where he said "the correct people". I piss them off, too. Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 08 2015,09:19
(GORDON @ Sep. 08 2015,08:20) QUOTE Right this second I would vote for Trump just because he seems to piss so many of the correct people off. QUOTE The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 08 2015,09:27
(Leisher @ Sep. 08 2015,09:57) QUOTE (Alhazad @ Sep. 08 2015,10:19) QUOTE (GORDON @ Sep. 08 2015,06:20) QUOTE Right this second I would vote for Trump just because he seems to piss so many of the correct people off. Post again once sober. In his defense, none of the candidates look good when you're sober. I could be completely wasted and none of the candidates would look good. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 18 2015,10:47
< Fucking dumb-ass >.QUOTE "Just the other day, two years old, two and a half years old, a child, a beautiful child went to have the vaccine, and came back, and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic."
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 18 2015,12:12
< Mountains out of mole hills regarding Trump not "correcting" two supporters. >Really? That's his job? I'm not debating Trump's merits or failings, but this kind of story makes it quite clear that he's kicking the GOP's ass. Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 18 2015,12:20
I can see Trump winning the nomination, but it's hard to imagine him having any chance at winning the general election. The one good thing about him, though, is that you know exactly what his position is on everything. He's completely full of shit, but none of it is bullshit. If only his every idea wasn't so ... awful. Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 18 2015,12:23
(Leisher @ Sep. 18 2015,15:12) QUOTE < Mountains out of mole hills regarding Trump not "correcting" two supporters. > Really? That's his job? I'm not debating Trump's merits or failings, but this kind of story makes it quite clear that he's kicking the GOP's ass. Yeah, those articles are just insanity. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 18 2015,12:28
QUOTE Really? That's his job? If he wants enough votes to win the election, yes, it's his responsibility to present a facade that doesn't make him seem unhinged and politically inept. QUOTE During that event, on unidentified man said, “We have a problem in this country — it’s called Muslims," adding, "We know our current president is one. You know he’s not even an American,” the man added. “That’s my question, when can we get rid of them?” Trump responded, “We’re going to be looking at a lot of different things. A lot of people are saying bad things are happening, [and] we’re going to be looking at that and plenty of other things.” The correct response should have been something like, "We're going to do a trial deportation on Irish Catholics. We hear they've been involved in terrorist activities in the UK for years." QUOTE A second Trump supporter endorsed the first man’s claims during his own moment in the question-and-answer session. “I applaud the gentlemen who stood and said that Obama is a Muslim born abroad,” he said. “Right,” Trump replied before moving on to the next questioner. He's giving implied support to the notion the prez is occupying the office illegally. QUOTE ...he's kicking the GOP's ass. Because they've put out the same candidate, every election, every office, since the early '90s; they're the AD/DC of politics. The only people who stand out from the rest of the clueless right-wingers clamoring to finish runner-up to whatever scarecrow the Dems put up are Rand and the non-politicians: Trump, Fiorina, Carson, et al. Rand's integrity has caved and he's collapsed into a hollow shell of the reformer he once was. The entire party is sick of its own electees. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 23 2015,14:11
< Entirely > estranged from Fox News. I find this situation hilarious.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 11 2015,18:06
< The human comedy machine > rolls on.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 22 2015,10:03
< Does not understand > that torture does not necessarily lead to truth. Take all the cash you'd ever consider dropping into such bullshit and apply it directly to your intelligence networks. < The only place > torture reliably works.
Posted by Paul on Nov. 23 2015,05:44
< Net worth of the Presidential candidates. >
Posted by Paul on Nov. 23 2015,20:59
![]() Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 23 2015,21:56
Rubio? Bullshit.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 08 2015,10:58
< Trump > versus various movie villains in the polls.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 09 2015,12:20
< Trump ban could be > debated in fucking Parliament.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 09 2015,12:38
Oh man.I've been keeping my eyeballs out of the race this time... I keep hearing "Bernie Sanders!" but I don't even know if he is a dem or repub... but so many people hate Trump, now I'm going to vote for Trump. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 09 2015,12:39
(Malcolm @ Dec. 09 2015,15:20) QUOTE < Trump ban could be > debated in fucking Parliament. Yeah, if that's hate speech, hate speech needs a new definition. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 09 2015,12:42
(GORDON @ Dec. 09 2015,14:38) QUOTE Oh man. I've been keeping my eyeballs out of the race this time... I keep hearing "Bernie Sanders!" but I don't even know if he is a dem or repub... but so many people hate Trump, now I'm going to vote for Trump. Bernie's a socialist. Trump? Fuck that asswipe. Especially after his "close off parts of the internet" polemic. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 09 2015,13:00
Did you notice that they buried the news that a similar petition to do exactly what Trumps wants has 140k more signatures?
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 09 2015,13:38
(Leisher @ Dec. 09 2015,15:00) QUOTE Did you notice that they buried the news that a similar petition to do exactly what Trumps wants has 140k more signatures? My heart positively bleeds. It's also hilarious and hypocritical considering he's done < more than a bit of biz with many a Muslim >. Not good enough to get into the country, but good enough to get into his luxury hotels. Here's a < damn map >. Maybe he should stop supporting tourism in nations whose refugees and immigrants are security threats. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 09 2015,13:41
(Leisher @ Dec. 09 2015,16:00) QUOTE Did you notice that they buried the news that a similar petition to do exactly what Trumps wants has 140k more signatures? So it's like how "Fighting back against ISIS is exactly what they want / letting ISIS have free reign is exactly what they want," also applies to Trump? The more you fight him, the stronger he gets? Snap. Posted by Troy on Dec. 09 2015,15:43
If you strike him down, he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.p.s. we got Star Wars premier tickets today wooo Posted by GORDON on Dec. 09 2015,15:56
As I've said before, I prefer the evil fucker who admits to being an evil fucker than the wolf who comes in sheep's clothing.Trump is saying, "This is going to happen, so you might as well try to enjoy it", but every other Democrat is saying, "Don't worry, I won't cum in your mouth..." then they do. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 09 2015,17:10
If Trump wins the pachyderm nomination, I'm going to have to make a serious choice about voting Democrat out of spite. He's that fucking bad. He makes Dubyah look like George Washington. During the election of 1800, Alexander Hamilton had to make a shitty choice about a presidential tiebreaker. Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr had equal electoral votes. Alex disagreed with both of them politically, but he was the dude who could sway the Congressional vote however he wanted. He picked Jefferson because he knew, when all else was said and done, Tommy wasn't a complete fucking asshole who'd make us a pariah to the rest of the world. I don't want to vote for Bernie/Hillary/random jack-ass, but if it makes it slightly harder for Donnie the wealthy retard to get into office I'd consider it. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 09 2015,17:23
Is Hillary in the lead of dems right now?
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 09 2015,17:30
(GORDON @ Dec. 09 2015,19:23) QUOTE Is Hillary in the lead of dems right now? The last time anyone besides her was in the lead was October, and even that was only one polling source. She was behind 0.8% to Bernie. She's got a minimum of a 9-point lead in every poll since. She's ahead about 25% in every poll as of yesterday. At least I know the insanity I can expect if she wins. I don't know the depths of psychosis a Trump administration would sink to, but I'm willing to bet it'd leave me wishing fondly for the Obama days. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 09 2015,18:07
(Malcolm @ Dec. 09 2015,20:30) QUOTE (GORDON @ Dec. 09 2015,19:23) QUOTE Is Hillary in the lead of dems right now? The last time anyone besides her was in the lead was October, and even that was only one polling source. She was behind 0.8% to Bernie. She's got a minimum of a 9-point lead in every poll since. She's ahead about 25% in every poll as of yesterday. At least I know the insanity I can expect if she wins. No, you wont, unless they finish restoring the wiped hard drives of her illegal mail server. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 09 2015,18:22
When she's got enough ego to come out with "Hillary: the Game" I might rethink. Trump's got all the cluelessness of Ross Perot with none of the charisma.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 09 2015,18:54
I see Trump being the same sort of dilettante to the office that Obama was. He will get in there expecting to be HNIC, and then be hindered by Congress and that pesky Constitution at every turn.I don't see Trump being as dismissive and insulting to our allies as Obama has been, nor as appeasing to our enemies. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 09 2015,20:09
QUOTE I don't see Trump being as dismissive and insulting... You're shitting me. He hasn't been anything except dismissive and insulting, including to < POWs who went through torture >. QUOTE "He's not a war hero," Trump said at the Iowa Family Leadership Summit when moderator Frank Luntz brought up McCain, who spent more than five years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. ... Immediately modifying his original remarks, Trump said, "He's a war hero 'cause he was captured. I like people that weren't captured, OK?" I want to see how long Donnie holds up under torture before he starts turning propaganda poster boy for the enemy. To his ... credit, I guess, he sort of retracted that remark after he realized he'd be alienating every single member of the military. That's still a fucking stupid thing to say in the first place. Secondly, if he wants all Muslim immigration halted, he can suck my left nut along with everyone supporting that platform. That's beyond fucking stupid. Thirdly, his deportation plan is beyond fucking stupid squared and outside the realm of practicality or reality. His continued lead isn't so much a reflection on him as it is the complete abyss to which the pachyderms have sunk. The few concrete plans he's given for domestic and economic problems have been ideas that wouldn't pass for sitcom plots. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 10 2015,04:54
"Trump is Just Like Hitler, or Jimmy Carter."Since Carter wanted to stop Muslim immigration, too. < https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us....gration > < http://www.frontpagemag.com/point....enfield > Trump is striking a chord because the little people want something done, and they see the opposite of progress from this Administration. Obama and ISIS are doing more to get ZTrump elected than anything else.... which... I guess is what ISIS wants? Everything is what ISIS wants. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 10 2015,06:00
(GORDON @ Dec. 10 2015,07:54) QUOTE "Trump is Just Like Hitler, or Jimmy Carter." Since Carter wanted to stop Muslim immigration, too. Not true, according to your links. Just Iranians. People who, as a country, had engaged in an act of war against the US. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 10 2015,07:19
Nationality != religion. I want to hear Trump's speech about banning all Saudi immigrants and watch his hotel get torched in their home country.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 10 2015,07:34
(Malcolm @ Dec. 09 2015,15:38) QUOTE It's also hilarious and hypocritical considering he's done < more than a bit of biz with many a Muslim >. Not good enough to get into the country, but good enough to get into his luxury hotels. Don't be ridiculous, those are rich Muslims. They wouldn't be banned. Trump's declarations about these things aren't meant to apply to rich people because rich people are immune; it's only the poor Muslims that would be kept out. I mean, if a person is so worthless as to not bother to become rich, then why would you want them around anyway? Geez. Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 10 2015,07:50
Three things:1) Fuck Trump, he's a complete asshole. If he were on fire I wouldn't piss on him with Malcolm's dick. I don't know what that means, but that's because I despise him beyond the bounds of rationality. 2) If he wins nomination, who will run with him for V.P.? This is a) mind boggling to consider, and b) important because if he wins I suspect we might see another President that doesn't get to complete his first term. The only question is: impeachment or assassination? 3) Still not voting for Hillary regardless. Fuck both these parties. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 10 2015,07:52
QUOTE If he wins nomination, who will run with him for V.P.? I'm sure one of his reality TV lackeys would volunteer. Shit, we could vote a new one in every month. And I don't mean "vote" like "going to the polls." I mean shit people care about, like who wins the last season of "American Idol." Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 10 2015,07:57
If he wins the nomination I wonder if we might get: Trump / Kardashian 2016
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 10 2015,08:04
Ha.... the freakouts are hilarious.We all agree the system is broken, but we keep thinking we can just fix it by voting for the correct person... fuck that. Get the maniac in there and bring it all down. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 10 2015,08:07
(TPRJones @ Dec. 10 2015,10:34) QUOTE it's only the poor Muslims that would be kept out. On 2nd thought, maybe Trump's on to something... ![]() Posted by GORDON on Dec. 10 2015,08:09
(TheCatt @ Dec. 10 2015,11:07) QUOTE (TPRJones @ Dec. 10 2015,10:34) QUOTE it's only the poor Muslims that would be kept out. On 2nd thought, maybe Trump's on to something... ![]() Not letting in the poor muslims is exactly what ISIS wants. Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 10 2015,08:22
QUOTE Get the maniac in there and bring it all down. Sure, I can get behind that. I just wish it were a maniac with some dignity, rather than what basically amounts to the New York rich asshole version of a trailer park whore. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 10 2015,08:35
< Trump cancels Israel > trip after he realizes everyone there fucking hates him. However, proving they have more class than Donnie the retard, Israel won't actually ban him from entering their country.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 10 2015,09:18
< Scotland > revokes biz ambassador status and honorary degree.< Insane Christian > agrees with Donnie the retard. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 11 2015,10:15
< Anonymous threatens Trump. >See? This shit is snowballing. All Trump did was present a stupid idea. He did nothing to enforce it or make it law. He simply spoke. Anonymous threatening him for his speech is WAY worse than what he suggested. Anonymous is rapidly becoming the thought police. They're becoming Big Brother. Not good. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 11 2015,10:24
QUOTE Anonymous threatening him for his speech is WAY worse than what he suggested. I don't see any specific threats besides, "You've been warned." That could mean damn near anything. QUOTE All Trump did was present a stupid idea. If you're going to talk shit, expect pain. QUOTE They're becoming Big Brother. You attribute far too much organization to them. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 11 2015,10:30
(Malcolm @ Dec. 11 2015,13:24) QUOTE QUOTE Anonymous threatening him for his speech is WAY worse than what he suggested. I don't see any specific threats besides, "You've been warned." That could mean damn near anything. QUOTE All Trump did was present a stupid idea. If you're going to talk shit, expect pain. QUOTE They're becoming Big Brother. You attribute far too much organization to them. I don't think you understand what a threat is... He didn't talk shit. He simply presented an opinion on a dumb idea. It doesn't matter what you think of their operation, the fact remains that they're trying to control people through threats and hacking based on THEIR beliefs and politics. That doesn't make them much different from, for example, people who try to push their religion upon others using threats and force. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 11 2015,10:32
QUOTE the fact remains that they're trying to control people through threats and hacking based on THEIR beliefs and politics. No, I think you'd have to define "their beliefs" before you can start analyzing them. Where's the Anonymous manifesto? Oh yeah, they don't have one. QUOTE Anonymous has no strictly defined philosophy, and internal dissent is a regular feature of the group. A website associated with the group describes it as "an Internet gathering" with "a very loose and decentralized command structure that operates on ideas rather than directives". Gabriella Coleman writes of the group, "In some ways, it may be impossible to gauge the intent and motive of thousands of participants, many of who don't even bother to leave a trace of their thoughts, motivations, and reactions. Among those that do, opinions vary considerably." It could be two or three dudes or two or three thousand. They aren't an organization with a dedicated agenda. They're just some guys that use a common brand name. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 11 2015,11:34
They took down < his website >. Damn, whatever will he do?
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 11 2015,12:38
(Leisher @ Dec. 11 2015,12:15) QUOTE All Trump did was present a stupid idea. He did nothing to enforce it or make it law. He simply spoke. Anonymous threatening him for his speech is WAY worse than what he suggested. All Anonymous did was present an empty threat. They did nothing to enforce it or make it real. They simply spoke. Trump trying to fan the flames of bigotry against Muslims is WAY worse than what Anonymous has threatened. Okay, now that I got that out of the way, so far I can't see how you can say one is worse than the other. There hasn't been any real action taken by either party yet, just a bunch of noise. Maybe after they steal Trump's identity and start doxing him into oblivion then you will be correct, but right now they've done no more than Trump has. Just talk. Sure, it's threatening talk. I mean Trump threatened every Muslim in the country, and all of their families that want to visit and billions more around the world. Anonymous only threatened one person. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 11 2015,12:48
(TPRJones @ Dec. 11 2015,15:38) QUOTE Sure, it's threatening talk. I mean Trump threatened every Muslim in the country, and all of their families that want to visit and billions more around the world. Anonymous only threatened one person. I thought Trump just threatened to deny immigration to Muslims, I didn't know he was trying to separate children from their families, too. What a monster. Personally I'd like to see more Muslim immigrants. When they huddle together into their own neighborhoods that's always where the best restaurants and bars and nightclubs are. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 11 2015,13:29
(TPRJones @ Dec. 11 2015,15:38) QUOTE Okay, now that I got that out of the way, so far I can't see how you can say one is worse than the other. There hasn't been any real action taken by either party yet, just a bunch of noise. Anonymous committed an actual crime. QUOTE I mean Trump threatened every Muslim in the country, and all of their families that want to visit and billions more around the world. Anonymous only threatened one person. No, he didn't. Cuz he has no power. Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 11 2015,13:34
QUOTE Anonymous committed an actual crime. Maybe technically, but I would consider an hour outage on the Trump website to be unimportant. It's a felony only because federal law around computer use is idiotic, it should be a misdemeanor at most. QUOTE No, he didn't. Cuz he has no power. He would probably strongly disagree with that statement. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 11 2015,13:56
(TPRJones @ Dec. 11 2015,16:34) QUOTE QUOTE No, he didn't. Cuz he has no power. He would probably strongly disagree with that statement. Justice Roberts makes rulings based on peer pressure from his liberal cocktail party set, so it isn't like Trump would get anything done, anyway. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 11 2015,14:47
QUOTE Anonymous committed an actual crime. QUOTE It's a felony only because federal law around computer use is idiotic, it should be a misdemeanor at most. Seconded. If they find out who it is, fine them $1K and move on. QUOTE Personally I'd like to see more Muslim immigrants ... When they huddle together into their own neighborhoods that's always where the best restaurants and bars and nightclubs are. I don't care about their religion, I care about what geopolitical region of the world they come from and their mental state. Trump's statement about a blanket immigration ban is fucking stupidity. I worked with a Muslim bloke from Mali this year. Single dude, laid back, decent DBA and programmer. There's no reason people like him should be screwed because ignorant asswipes like Donnie the retard want to drum up votes. It's pandering of the lowest sort that only the discharge of an anal pustule would take seriously, let alone try to implement. QUOTE Cuz he has no power. He's got money and therefore power. QUOTE I didn't know he was trying to separate children from their families, too. If you don't leave home at the same time due to ... oh, say lack of funds ... then you might have to immigrate separately. If Donnie the douchebag tries to put his policy in place, he could very well be keeping families apart. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 11 2015,15:01
Yay. Anonymous the thought police. Just what we need.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 11 2015,15:07
QUOTE I didn't know he was trying to separate children from their families, too. It's not even about immigration, it's about entry. So if he has his way someone born in the U.S. that has only ever lived in the U.S. and is Muslim takes a day trip to Canada they can never come home again. "Sorry, I don't care if you are a U.S. citizen and don't know anyone abroad, you said you are a Muslim so you can't come in." It's idiocy. QUOTE Yay. Anonymous the thought police. Just what we need. Clearly what they are doing is not good. My point is not that what they are doing is good. My point is that what they've done is not in fact "WAY worse than what he suggested" as was claimed above. Trumps suggestion if enacted would cause countless individual tragedies to innocent people. Anonymous actions today caused one website admin to turn on DDoS protection for a few hours. The second is not anywhere near as bad as the former. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 11 2015,15:15
(TPRJones @ Dec. 11 2015,18:07) QUOTE My point is that what they've done is not in fact "WAY worse than what he suggested" as was claimed above. Trumps suggestion if enacted would cause countless individual tragedies to innocent people. Things they DID versus what he suggested. Do you see the difference? He said something dumb, that will never happen. They did something stupid, and should be in jail. Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 11 2015,16:07
QUOTE Things they DID versus what he suggested. Do you see the difference? Sure. And I agree with you. But it was stated that what they did was worse than what he suggested, which is clearly not true. And, you know, someone was wrong on the internet sooooo.... Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 11 2015,16:53
QUOTE Things they DID versus what he suggested. I consider it civil disobedience from a political standpoint. Is it illegal? Yeah. Was anything irretrievably stolen or destroyed? Was anyone kidnapped, killed, or raped? How much cash did he lose from the site being down? Aside from an asshole being made to look like an asshole with a defaced website, I don't see much change. Redeploy the site again, restore from backups, and secure your shit. If they start permaDOS'ing all his websites in a pervasive pattern, I might move my "Give-A-Fuck-O-Meter" to one notch above zero. I'd say the same thing if Al Sharpton had his home page hacked tomorrow. On the flipside, I think of all the times he's used his finances or position or celebrity to be a dick. Donnie Douchebag is running for the highest office in the land. While his words constitute suggestions and pandering now, I cannot take them as jokes or hollow threats unless I'm convinced his plan is to be swept into office amidst a wave of comedy and powerlessness. I can only assume he's serious about his lunacy. When he talks, his statements are inflammatory and confrontational. The tone of his voice is daring someone to disagree with him so he can go on a philippic; hacking his website doesn't let him retaliate in the same arena. If others are going by similar logic and they believe they can influence his actions, then repercussions like this aren't exactly shocking. "Thought Police" is a bit extreme until Anonymous starts sending people to disappear and reeducate you in the middle of the night. Actions like this are the modern version of tagging Trump Plaza. They are hardly Orwellian. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 11 2015,17:07
(Malcolm @ Dec. 11 2015,19:53) QUOTE I consider it civil disobedience from a political standpoint. Is it illegal? Yeah. Was anything irretrievably stolen or destroyed? Was anyone kidnapped, killed, or raped? How much cash did he lose from the site being down? I feel pretty strongly about property rights. If you fuck with someone else's property, you deserve to die. They fucked with someone's property, they have no right to anything. OK, that's a little more extreme than how I feel, but not much. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 11 2015,18:06
Yeah, thieves are scum, and I honestly think we should bring in some "cut off their hand" style of Saudi Arabian justice to them.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 11 2015,18:14
(GORDON @ Dec. 11 2015,21:06) QUOTE Yeah, thieves are scum, and I honestly think we should bring in some "cut off their hand" style of Saudi Arabian justice to them. This. Punishment should be harsher than the crime. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 11 2015,18:31
I'm serious though. I think you should get a hand cut off for stealing anything except food.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 11 2015,18:35
This is digital property. Restoring it should be little work. Neither his bottom line nor livelihood have been significantly impacted. This does not qualify as anymore than petty vandalism, and even a trivial sort at that.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 11 2015,19:06
"Significant impact" shouldn't factor into it.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 11 2015,21:26
Bullshit. The infraction is slight, the financial loss is minimal. The punishment and fervor in enforcing it should be proportional. It's why "larceny" is broken into grand and petty categories.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 11 2015,22:35
For actual physical theft I agree, it is atrocious and should be punished harshly. But nothing was stolen here. This was digital vandalism. It probably had a minor financial effect, but that doesn't make it theft.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 12 2015,05:35
(Malcolm @ Dec. 11 2015,21:35) QUOTE This is digital property. Restoring it should be little work. Neither his bottom line nor livelihood have been significantly impacted. This does not qualify as anymore than petty vandalism, and even a trivial sort at that. They messed with someone else's property, the end. Hands cut off. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 12 2015,08:26
Well what percentage of a person's net worth does it need to be until y'all consider it to be theft?
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 12 2015,08:42
(GORDON @ Dec. 12 2015,11:26) QUOTE Well what percentage of a person's net worth does it need to be until y'all consider it to be theft? Who knew crime was so relative? Fuck it, I'll go be Robin Hood. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 12 2015,08:43
America II is def cutting the hands off of stealing peeps.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 13 2015,11:13
(TheCatt @ Dec. 12 2015,07:35) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Dec. 11 2015,21:35) QUOTE This is digital property. Restoring it should be little work. Neither his bottom line nor livelihood have been significantly impacted. This does not qualify as anymore than petty vandalism, and even a trivial sort at that. They messed with someone else's property, the end. Hands cut off. Goddamn. Remind me not to put you in charge of intellectual property when I take over the world. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 13 2015,11:16
(GORDON @ Dec. 12 2015,10:26) QUOTE Well what percentage of a person's net worth does it need to be until y'all consider it to be theft? A website, one of many he owns, was down for a matter of hours. If you want to go with "theft" as the term here, then the only thing stolen was access and rights to some electro-magnetic info stored on a drive of some sort. Website defacement != theft. Vandalism (which is what this is), in general, isn't theft. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 13 2015,11:29
I say vandalism IS theft. Defacing property means they have to spend time/effort/money un-defacing it. You've just had money stolen from you because of someone elses actions. You've just lost whatever revenue said defaced thing was going to generate in that time. Hell, if you want to really think about what things mean, if I spray paint your fence, and you have to spend money repainting it, and you have to work for your money, then basically your work just went to cover for my actions. I just enslaved you.That's a little ridiculous, but laws can't work on Malcolm's and TPR's threshold of what makes it really a crime. Cut off the hands. You won't even need to do it that much since after a few handless examples are walking around, fuckers will think twice about stealing a TV. I exempted food, earlier... if someone needs to steal to keep from starving, they have been failed by society in some way. But theft of entertainment/leisure items... harsher penalties. No leniency. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 13 2015,12:06
Agree with Gordon.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 13 2015,12:18
QUOTE I say vandalism IS theft. Defacing property means they have to spend time/effort/money un-defacing it. You've just had money stolen from you because of someone elses actions. You've just lost whatever revenue said defaced thing was going to generate in that time. Hell, if you want to really think about what things mean, if I spray paint your fence, and you have to spend money repainting it, and you have to work for your money, then basically your work just went to cover for my actions. I just enslaved you. Dude, digital backups are auto-fucking-matic and I bet his IT staff works at a flat rate. I'm still waiting for an estimate of how much cash he lost as a result of trumptowers.com being down for a fraction of a day. To equate website defacement with enslavement is a massive leap. Applying physical analogies to code isn't working. QUOTE Cut off the hands ... But theft of entertainment/leisure items... harsher penalties. No leniency. < Fuck that >. I'm not supporting a society of the handless and I'm certainly not supporting physical maiming for stealing a candy bar. QUOTE if someone needs to steal to keep from starving, they have been failed by society in some way. And I sure as shit don't agree with this. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 13 2015,19:28
(Malcolm @ Dec. 13 2015,15:18) QUOTE < Fuck that >. QUOTE In this episode, Wesley Crusher (Wil Wheaton) is sentenced to death after inadvertently breaking the law on an alien planet. So to be clear... you are going on record that you love Wesley and didn't want him to die? Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 13 2015,19:37
(TheCatt @ Dec. 13 2015,21:28) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Dec. 13 2015,15:18) QUOTE < Fuck that >. QUOTE In this episode, Wesley Crusher (Wil Wheaton) is sentenced to death after inadvertently breaking the law on an alien planet. So to be clear... you are going on record that you love Wesley and didn't want him to die? He deserves death for many reasons. Breaking some glass isn't one. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 13 2015,19:46
Thieves never stop so you might as well take their hands to make them pay for it and act as a warning to the others. All thieves are scum.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 13 2015,19:48
(GORDON @ Dec. 13 2015,21:46) QUOTE Thieves never stop so you might as well take their hands to make them pay for it and act as a warning to the others. All thieves are scum. I going to remind you of that next time you "borrow the internet's copy" of something. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 13 2015,19:49
Still waiting on your answer about what percentage of a person's net worth it needs to be to be considered theft.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 13 2015,19:53
I've already stated my position that vandalism isn't theft, certainly not digital vandalism either. If they do this repeatedly or for an extended period of time, I might change my view of how serious it is.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 13 2015,20:56
(Malcolm @ Dec. 11 2015,21:35) QUOTE Neither his bottom line nor livelihood have been significantly impacted. Define "significant." What percentage of net income until it becomes a crime, in your opinion. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 13 2015,22:00
What income does he derive from that site that got lost? Did the site going down stop any deals from going through? Is it above zero? Because zero is what I think it is, and it's quite insignificant. Maybe it cost him one IT dude's salary for a day. Hence my "$1k fine and fuck it" mentality. Start imposing more punishment when it becomes more than a one-off event.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 14 2015,09:43
(GORDON @ Dec. 13 2015,21:49) QUOTE Still waiting on your answer about what percentage of a person's net worth it needs to be to be considered theft. Completely irrelevant. It could be 100% and still not be theft. Theft has two key components, and if either one is missing then the crime involved isn't theft. It's something else. 1) The criminal gains ownership (in the "possession is 9/10ths" sense) of something they should not have, and 2) The victim no longer has ownership of the thing that was stolen. If the former is true but not the second then whatever the "thing" is in question was clearly copied because there are now more things than previously existed. This is still likely a crime, but it is not theft. If you could copy a car we'd all be driving Lamborghini. If the second is true but not the former then whatever the "thing" is was either destroyed or otherwise lost entirely. Depending on the details this could be vandalism, arson, destruction of property, or maybe even terrorism. But it's not theft. The way you've defined theft here in these posts above, nearly every action a person can take that has any effect on someone else is theft. Fail to make proper change for a cup of coffee and thus steal a nickel from someone is theft worthy of hand removal? Drive an Uber and thus steal business from the taxicab mobsters? Off with your hand! Decide to buy a Ford meaning you won't be buying a Toyota and thus reduce the revenue of Toyota and their shareholders? Chop chop! Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2015,10:25
< This > is vandalism. They can't restore the wall from a backup.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2015,12:20
< Thoughts from > various Trump-supporting psychos.QUOTE "When you're in war, you have to take steps that are not American to protect yourself and defend the country," said Margaret Shontz, of Cedar Falls, Iowa, as she arrived at a Trump campaign stop in Des Moines on Friday. Good to know the Constitution is that pesky, bullshit thing that's only applicable when sunshine pours out your asshole and has no practical use in times of stress of conflict. QUOTE "Think about it. You don't know what you've got here. You've got no clue," she said of the Muslim tourists, immigrants and refugees Trump wants to temporarily bar from coming to the U.S. "You don't know if they like us. You don't know if they hate us," said Hooker, 47, of Greer, South Carolina. "You don't know why they're here." I'm pretty sure you can apply that paranoia to any ethnic group you don't like. We better bar the Chinese, too, because they're all hackers that steal state secrets and ship them back behind the Great Wall. QUOTE Iowa's Dale Witmer, 90, a registered Republican and Word War II veteran who likes Trump and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, embraced the Muslim ban as a "great idea." While he has concerns about Trump's unfiltered style, he praises him for talking about things he says others are thinking but afraid to say themselves. "I'd like to go back (to) when I was younger in the 50s and 60s, when the country was a little better. It was America then. I'm starting to worry we're starting to lose identity in this country, I do believe," Witmer said. I bet Mr. Witmer looks back fondly on the '40-'60s because he wasn't black or Japanese. QUOTE Dan Edwards, a retired banker from Van Meter, Iowa, who brought his family to Trump's town hall in Des Moines on Friday, said the real estate mogul's words were taken out of context to make his plan sound more extreme. "I think it's been made into something it wasn't meant to be. I think basically what he's doing is saying, 'OK, wait a minute. Refugees, we need to make sure we know what we're looking for and to make sure everything is in place,' " said Edwards, 53, who compared the proposal to a temporary "time out" while the country re-assesses the situation. No, he didn't mention refugees, actually. He words imply any and all people are refused entry to this country based solely on their faith. QUOTE When asked by AP if the ban would apply to U.S. citizens traveling, working or living abroad, including American servicemen and women who are Muslim, Trump responded via a spokeswoman, "You figure it out!" That's for clearing that up, asswipe. QUOTE "Being compared to Hitler is how you know you've reached the apex," said Gary Hopper, 58, of Bedford, New Hampshire. I'll let that stand on its own. QUOTE "I know we all came from somewhere else," she added, "but this is a different time now." You have to be shitting me. What the fuck does that mean? Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 15 2015,10:27
< One > of many reasons why think Trump's proposal is idiotic.QUOTE Madihha Ahussain, a staff attorney at the national group Muslim Advocates, said people who are misinformed about both religions not only are "blaming entire faith communities, now they're blaming multiple groups for the acts of a couple individuals." "A couple individuals" is up for debate, even from me. Using "Islam" by itself is a poor way to go about barring people from the country. "Violent, extremist, religious assholes" is far more accurate and I might support that one. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 15 2015,10:39
< Douchebags of a feather >...
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2015,10:09
(Malcolm @ Dec. 15 2015,12:39) QUOTE < Douchebags of a feather >... < Asshole endorses douchebag >. QUOTE Many of Putin’s comments circled back to relations with the United States, including a bit of look-ahead musing on the White House race. Putin said Russia would work with “whomever the American voters choose,” but he singled out Trump.
“He’s a very lively man, talented without doubt,” Putin said according to the Interfax news service after the news conference. He added that Trump is the “absolute leader in the presidential race.” Posted by Leisher on Dec. 17 2015,12:10
< He might be softening his aggressive ways. >I've got to think now that people think he's got an actual chance, they're no longer going to let him fly off the handle with stupid things and they're reign him in. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2015,12:25
"You can't fix stupid."- Ron White Posted by Leisher on Dec. 17 2015,13:02
Are you talking about Trump or every candidate?
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2015,13:12
(Leisher @ Dec. 17 2015,15:02) QUOTE Are you talking about Trump or every candidate? There's no way a minor shift in rhetoric and attitude is going to have an impact on his overall behaviour, and I'm pretty sure that's all he'll be capable of. It's like Snoop Dogg saying he needs to cut back on smoking bud or Steve-O saying he needs to stop doing stupid stunts. Is there room for improvement if the desire is real? Sure. Do I believe any of them mean it? Hell, no. Trump especially. Goddamn, the Snoop/Steve-O analogy isn't enough. I don't think Donnie Douchebag even has the psychological tools to tone it down. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2015,14:53
< Goddamnit >. See what happens when you drag the depths for trolls?
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 17 2015,15:31
Michael Moore plays with facts as much as Trump.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2015,18:42
(Leisher @ Dec. 17 2015,17:31) QUOTE Michael Moore plays with facts as much as Trump. Yeah, but Beluga Man isn't running for prez. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 08 2016,12:44
< Still an asshole >.QUOTE The protesters weren't the only ones ejected from the event. Trump's security turned away anyone who refused to pledge their allegiance to the billionaire businessman – even undecided voters. "We have more than 20,000 people that showed up for 1,400 spots. I'm taking care of my people, not people who don't want to vote for me or are undecided," Trump said in a statement, according to NBC News. "They are loyal to me and I am loyal to them." Yep, nothing gets you elected like alienating undecided voters. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 08 2016,12:54
"Loyalty pledge" is weird.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 09 2016,09:54
< Still a dick >.QUOTE Despite her silence, Trump supporters around her began chanting Trump's name -- as instructed by Trump campaign staff before the event in case of protests -- and pointed at Hamid and Marty Rosenbluth, the man alongside her who stood up as well. Picture from the scene: ![]() Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 11 2016,10:09
< Trump misses > all the concussions and major head injuries football used to have.QUOTE Trump lamented the rise in penalties for head-on-head collisions and praised players such as Dick Butkus, Lawrence Taylor and Ray Nitschke, who used to regularly deliver such hits. "You used to see these tackles, and it was incredible to watch," Trump said. "Now they tackle -- 'Oh, head-on-head collision, 15 yard' -- the whole game is all screwed up. You say, 'Wow, what a tackle.' Bing. Flag. "Football's become soft. Football has become soft." Trump then said football was representative of America as a whole becoming soft He also thinks N. Korea's dictator is an awesome guy. QUOTE Trump has heaped praised on North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, saying the dictator is "incredible" and deserves "credit" for killing off his political rivals. Trump made the comments during a campaign rally in Ottumwa, Iowa on Saturday, in response to the Communist state's recent alleged hydrogen bomb test. "If you look at North Korea, this guy, he's like a maniac, OK? And you've got to give him credit," he said. Trump said North Korea's desire to be a nuclear power meant the United States could not "play games" with the rogue state. "This guy doesn't play games. Because he really does have missiles, and he really does have nukes," he said North Korea just arrested another American on suspicion of spying today, too. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 13 2016,11:52
< The GOP > rebuttal speech, like the actual SotU one, made thinly veiled allusions to Donnie Douchebag. The pachyderms are self-destructing right now and I only expect the explosion to get bigger the closer Donnie the Retard gets to the nomination.QUOTE CNN commentator Amanda Carpenter, a former Cruz aide, described her response as "GOP self loathing." That party has every reason to hate itself right now. It's being shattered and polarized by a spoiled, selfish reality TV show prick who blows so much hot air up your ass with every blustery sentence that you expect to ascend into the stratosphere before the final word is reached. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 14 2016,10:26
< Trump is a dipshit >.QUOTE "If you think about it, if you take a look at what I've done, I've brought millions and millions of people to the Republican Party, and to the conservative party, because, as an example, the debate had 24 million people. If I wasn't in the debate, would it have had three, or four, or two, or what would it have been?" People watch Jerry Springer and listen to Howard Stern, not necessarily because they agree with them. Trump channels the spirit of Reagan the same way a toddler clings to his blankey. QUOTE As Donald Trump searched for a historic comparison for his massive crowds and unexpected popularity, he settled on a revered Republican superhero: Ronald Reagan.
“Now, Reagan had a little bit of this, but I don't think to the same extent," Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 15 2016,12:17
< Child cult > performs at Trump rally.
Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 15 2016,12:41
QUOTE "I don't. Is this. What," said NPR pop culture panelist Glen Weldon. This makes me giggle. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 18 2016,14:38
< Trump forgets economics >QUOTE First, in the span of a few sentences, he insisted that he’d impose a 35 percent tax on businesses producing goods overseas while claiming to support free trade. At the end of his rambling, decidedly non-MLK-themed speech, he said this:
“We’re going to get Apple to build their damn computers in this country instead of other countries. Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 19 2016,08:43
Wow, I knew he was an idiot, but I didn't know he was that much of an idiot. How does someone so successful in NY real estate not pick up some basic fundamentals about how business works along the way?
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 19 2016,08:56
QUOTE How does someone so successful in NY real estate not pick up some basic fundamentals about how business works along the way? He's been riding his daddy's coattails and finances since forever. His daddy even set him up with his first protected monopoly. However, it appears he was stupid as far back as school. QUOTE He told a biographer in 2015 that NYMA gave him "more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military".
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 19 2016,15:14
< Shittiest > VP candidate in a long time supports shittiest prez candidate in a long time.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 21 2016,06:52
< Bob Dole endorses Trump by bashing Cruz. >QUOTE “I don’t know how he’s going to deal with Congress,” he said. “Nobody likes him.” Ouch. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 22 2016,12:20
(TPRJones @ Jan. 19 2016,10:43) QUOTE Wow, I knew he was an idiot, but I didn't know he was that much of an idiot. How does someone so successful in NY real estate not pick up some basic fundamentals about how business works along the way? < How Donnie Douchebag > made his dollars. QUOTE Over time, the LeFraks came out ahead of their competitors. LeFrak is worth $7 billion today, and he's 181st on Bloomberg's list of the world's richest people. Bloomberg puts Trump's wealth at just $2.9 billion -- far less than Forbes's estimate. He doesn't even make the list
... Using Trump's preferred estimates of his wealth, he has still performed worse than our hypothetical Main Street retiree. He told The New York Times he was worth $200 million in 1976, an amount that would be worth $12 billion today. "That a purely unmanaged index fund’s return could outperform Trump’s hands-on wheeling and dealing calls into question one of Trump’s chief selling points on the campaign trail: his business acumen," writes S.V. Dáte in National Journal. ... Donald Trump's father, Fred Trump, built his real-estate business on federal subsidies ... At other times, Trump has relied not on taxpayers but on banks and private concerns. Firms under his control have gone bankrupt on four occasions, but those catastrophes aren't fully reflected in Trump's net worth today, since his lenders absorbed the losses. The LeFraks, by contrast, have avoided imposing losses on their creditors, while still finding a way to turn a profit. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 24 2016,16:19
As a counterpoint to Malcolm's setthing hatred of him, I am going to post this, which I saw somewhere else:QUOTE One thing has struck me recently, which is that YouTube allows us to catch out misrepresentations and media bias.
In previous years, we would *only* have the media interpretations of current events. My parents, for instance, would read the newspaper article about some incident or other, and have no way to judge whether the opinions and position were in any way correct. Nowadays we can easily dig down to the source, and verify what we are told. As an example that everyone knows about, we can look to some of the things said about Trump [salon.com]: - The New York Times: “Trump’s claim that illegal Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.” - Time Magazine: “Trump’s comment that Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.’” - Associated Press: “Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals” - CBS News: “Trump defends calling Mexican immigrants ‘rapists.’” - L.A. Times: “describing Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’” - Fortune: “in a speech branding Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.” - Hollywood Reporter: “he referred to Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’” - Huffington Post: “He called Latino immigrants ‘criminals’ and ‘rapists.’” - The Washington Post: “He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.” What he actually said: QUOTE They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. An accurate representation of what he said was "some illegal immigrants are criminals", which is true simply by the law of averages, with the implication that if they went through a vetting procedure we could perhaps filter out the criminal portion. This was taken so completely out of context that WaPo rephrased it as "He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.", with the implication that he insulted the entire population of another country, and a fair portion of our own citizens. It's highly interesting to me that, as individuals, we now have the ability to find the evidence and come to our own conclusions, rather than blindly listen to the pronouncements of the elite. And a little bit, I think that's why Trump's supporters are so immovable. When the MSM cries "but he's a *racist*!", most of the people who were at the rally think "he didn't actually say that". It's definitely interesting the effect that YouTube has had on the political landscape. ......... For the past decade or so we (ie - Slashdot readership) have lamented the high-level of corruption in politics, and have identified the root cause as campaign contributions in return for political favours(*). A games-theory analysis shows that any normal political candidate will end up catering to the wishes of corporate interests in order to get elected. As an example, consider [then] Senator Obama's flip flop on telecom immunity [politifact.com] six months before the election, and for which he received generous campaign contributions that allowed him to win the presidency. We've often wished for a candidate who can avoid the soul-selling and do things in the interests of the people. In this election, we have two: Trump and Sanders. I'm a fan of both. Having a Trump/Sanders election would be the best thing for this nation, and serve as a wakeup call to the elites. The people are tired of corruption in politics, and want something in return for their votes. (*) I'm referring to American politics, but it probably applies in other places, such as Canada, the UK, and Australia. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 24 2016,16:26
QUOTE They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. QUOTE An accurate representation of what he said was "some illegal immigrants are criminals", which is true simply by the law of averages, with the implication that if they went through a vetting procedure we could perhaps filter out the criminal portion. No. An accurate representation of what he said is "most illegal immigrants are criminals and rapists." At least, I infer some to mean a minority. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 24 2016,17:10
I'll take Cruz over Trump. At least Ted's got a brain, albeit one programmed badly. Donnie Dickweed has the logical capacity of a drunken frat prez.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 24 2016,17:25
(TheCatt @ Jan. 24 2016,19:26) QUOTE QUOTE They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people. QUOTE An accurate representation of what he said was "some illegal immigrants are criminals", which is true simply by the law of averages, with the implication that if they went through a vetting procedure we could perhaps filter out the criminal portion. No. An accurate representation of what he said is "most illegal immigrants are criminals and rapists." At least, I infer some to mean a minority. Which is still completely different from what was reported. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 25 2016,14:30
< Kettle calls pot black, story at 11 >.QUOTE "We can't have a guy who stands in the middle of the Senate floor and every other senator thinks he's a whack job." Trump said Monday. He is, of course, referring to Ted "Master Debater" Cruz. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 27 2016,07:26
< Trump is skipping the Fox/Google debate tomorrow night. >He says he doesn't like some of the press releases they've put out about it and doesn't like Megyn Kelly. Fox responds by throwing < a flashback on their main page > of Trump bashing candidates who skip debates and praising Megyn Kelly. Are we living a Hollywood parody of elections? Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 28 2016,10:21
< Normally > this would be just another notch on Godwin's belt...QUOTE I think he is acting like another Hitler by inciting racism ... until you take the speaker into account. QUOTE Eva Schloss, an 86-year-old Auschwitz survivor, leveled sharp criticism at Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump, who has surged in the polls on the back of a populist, anti-immigration platform.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 28 2016,10:50
< Was Trump's boycott of the Fox debate a brilliant strategy move? >Yes according to that article. They're saying he essentially "froze" the polls, which has him leading, for Iowa. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 28 2016,15:14
The way he deals with talking to people he doesn't like is to take his fake hair and go home? Sounds presidential to me. Fortunately, he's running to get the nomination of a party that's more lost than The X-Files without Duchovny.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 28 2016,15:15
(Malcolm @ Jan. 28 2016,18:14) QUOTE The way he deals with talking to people he doesn't like is to take his fake hair and go home? Sounds presidential to me. Fortunately, he's running to get the nomination of a party that's more lost than The X-Files without Duchovny. I tend to agree that if the game they want you to play is rigged and you can't win, might as well not play it at all and try to create a different game. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 28 2016,15:42
He's not creating jackshit. He's throwing a hissy fit because the moderator won't give him verbal handjobs and softballs like he's the second coming of political jeebus.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 28 2016,16:07
(Malcolm @ Jan. 28 2016,18:42) QUOTE He's not creating jackshit. He's throwing a hissy fit because the moderator won't give him verbal handjobs and softballs like he's the second coming of political jeebus. Which is bullshit when other people get the softballs and hand jobs. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 28 2016,19:51
I hope he doesn't expect international politics to be fair.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 29 2016,04:56
(Malcolm @ Jan. 28 2016,22:51) QUOTE I hope he doesn't expect international politics to be fair. Yeah, I too hope he doesn't make half the same mistakes the current president has made. Posted by Vince on Jan. 29 2016,05:56
I don't know what was up with his spat with Megan Kelly. The other candidates didn't get softball questions (not all of them), they just got questions they were prepared for. Trump has a history of saying things that are pretty vindictive and ugly. Not a big deal for a reality TV guy from the rough and tumble world of high stakes real estate, but maybe not great for the temperament in a President. His reaction to that shows me he's not even prepared to debate, much less lead the nation. From what I can see, Donald Duck surrounds himself with sycophants that are too afraid to tell him ugly truths. You can't prepare for a debate with people like that.People keep comparing this to how international politics won't be fair. I won't even go that far. This is nothing compared to what you're going to see when he's facing the Democrat in the general. The press has been keeping their powder dry on Donald. Sure, they report all the stupid stuff he says, but if he gets the nomination they're about to unleash a lot of in depth stories (peaking around September I'd guess) of all the nasty stuff he's done. Every 4 to 8 years the press actually practices investigative journalism, at least on the Republican candidate. Reagan didn't show up for the last debate in Iowa in '80 because he was so far ahead there, and he ended up losing the state in the primary. The dust up between Donal Duck and Megan Kelly started after the first debate for a while, but went dormant until about a week before this debate. The issue resurfacing coincides about when people started to question the polls they've been publishing in Iowa. The polls are using a model that have the caucus turnout at about 200% of any in Iowa history. So earlier this week people started asking, "Are these polling models broken?" I wonder if Trump's campaigns internal polls were showing him losing and he brought this issue back up and ditched the debate to give himself a face saving out? Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 30 2016,09:26
< Trump vs Trump >
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 31 2016,10:35
I can't watch Colbert or Oliver anymore. They both seem to be about as balanced as Michael Moore.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 01 2016,11:24
< Still pandering >.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2016,12:01
(Malcolm @ Feb. 01 2016,14:24) QUOTE < Still pandering >. The article with that headline could be in the "media bias" thread. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 03 2016,08:58
< Trump proves > he's a whiny bitch.QUOTE "Ted Cruz didn't win Iowa, he stole it," Trump tweeted Wednesday morning in the opening salvo of a series of tweets eviscerating Cruz. The impetus for Trump's fraud accusation appeared to be an erroneous claim from Cruz's campaign Monday night during the caucuses that Ben Carson was poised to drop out of the race. Cruz later apologized for spreading the incorrect information. But Trump didn't stop there as he leveled other claims against Cruz, including that the Texas senator falsely suggested he supported Obamacare. He concluded by calling for a redo of the caucuses or for Cruz's win to be ruled invalid. Yeah, this is a dude ready to run a country. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 08 2016,10:13
< Trump >: when I'm in power, we're going to torture the everloving shit out of people.QUOTE Not only does Trump support the return of waterboarding in the interview with Stephanopoulos, but he seems to suggest that he'd be in favor of a lot more harsh interrogation tactics than that. That's an echo of a sentiment Trump expressed during the conversation about waterboarding during Saturday's debate. "I would bring back waterboarding and I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding," Trump promised.
Trump leaves open the possibility of beheadings -- or at least the specter of the possibility -- in the interview with Stephanopoulos, a pose broadly in keeping with his general foreign policy view that might makes right or that, at the very least, you have to be willing to do anything to anyone to ensure they don't mess with you. You may not actually have to do it. But you have to make sure the enemy knows you are willing to do it. Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 08 2016,11:42
If you want information that's stupid. Torture doesn't get you more reliable information, it gets you people telling you anything and everything and making up what they think you want to hear because they are desperate for you to stop.Clearly this isn't about anything related to justice, rehabilitation, or reasonable punishment for crimes. If Trump just wants to hurt people and doesn't care about guilt or innocence how is he any different from a wannabe suicide bomber? Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 08 2016,11:51
QUOTE If Trump just wants to hurt people and doesn't care about guilt or innocence how is he any different from a wannabe suicide bomber? Courage, conviction, and faith. Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 08 2016,11:58
Uh huh.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 08 2016,12:15
< Donnie Dickweed > is the dude I see pushing the button before Mr. Steward leaves the doorstep.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 09 2016,10:09
< Master diplomat >.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 09 2016,10:10
QUOTE "It was like a retweet," said Trump, the most prolific tweeter to have ever run for president. "I would never say a word like that — by the way, can I tell you what? The audience went crazy. Standing ovation. Five thousand people went nuts, they loved it. You know, we’re having fun.” There's no way you've gone your entire life without calling someone a pussy. Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 09 2016,11:15
Well, he sort of owned it but not really. I'd rather he responded something like "What are you asking me? Cruz is a pussy. I think that's a statement that stands well on it's own, you don't need me to explain it to you."
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 09 2016,11:28
(TPRJones @ Feb. 09 2016,13:15) QUOTE Well, he sort of owned it but not really. I'd rather he responded something like "What are you asking me? Cruz is a pussy. I think that's a statement that stands well on it's own, you don't need me to explain it to you." He did the verbal equivalent of saying he didn't inhale. He had doubled down with, "I'm not saying he's a pussy, but I think I saw a tampon fall out of his mouth," I'd have some respect. Posted by Paul on Feb. 13 2016,05:37
< http://trumpdonald.org >
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 18 2016,10:15
< Pope Esse > v. Donnie Dickweed.QUOTE "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian," Francis said in answer to a specific question about Trump's views. "This is not in the gospel."
... "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian," Francis said in answer to a specific question about Trump's views. "This is not in the gospel." Posted by GORDON on Feb. 18 2016,10:33
Thank God we don't govern according to a holy book like some other religions I've heard about.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 18 2016,10:36
(GORDON @ Feb. 18 2016,12:33) QUOTE Thank God we don't govern according to a holy book like some other religions I've heard about. I suppose he's a Presbyterian, so he's free to tell the pope to fuck off. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 18 2016,10:38
Fuck the pope. Remember, he's in charge of an organization that supported the Nazis.It's always bugged me when the Catholic church discusses politics. Their stance on a lot of things sure does sound like they're eager to keep the poor poor. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 18 2016,10:48
QUOTE he's in charge of an organization that supported the Nazis. < Which part of the Church >? QUOTE Summi Pontificatus was the first papal encyclical issued by Pope Pius XII, in October 1939 and established some of the themes of his pontificate. During the drafting of the letter, the Second World War commenced with the German/Soviet invasion of Catholic Poland—the "dread tempest of war is already raging despite all Our efforts to avert it". The papal letter denounced anti-semitism, war, totalitarianism, the attack on Poland and the Nazi persecution of the Church.
... According to Hitler biographer John Toland, following the November 1939 assassination attempt by Johann Georg Elser, Hitler said Pius would have wanted the plot to succeed: "he's no friend of mine". ... Pius warned the Allies of the planned German invasion of the Low Countries in 1940. ... When in 1940, the Nazi Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop led the only senior Nazi delegation permitted an audience with Pius XII and asked why the Pope had sided with the Allies, Pius replied with a list of recent Nazi atrocities and religious persecutions committed against Christians and Jews, in Germany, and in Poland, leading the New York Times to headline its report "Jews Rights Defended" and write of "burning words he spoke to Herr Ribbentrop about religious persecution". ... In 1941, Pius XII interpreted Divini Redemptoris, an encyclical of Pope Pius XI, which forbade Catholics to help communists, as not applying to military assistance to the Soviet Union. This interpretation assuaged American Roman Catholics who had previously opposed Lend-Lease arrangements with the Soviet Union. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 20 2016,09:04
< Trump says to boycott Apple >.QUOTE A few hours after Trump called for a boycott of Apple products until the company unlocks the phone of San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook, his official campaign store inside the North Charleston Convention Center was using several Apple iPads to ring up sales for campaign swag. Fortunately, it's Trump, a twat who's more of an attention whore and intellectual black hole than Tila Tequila, so the words are meaningless. QUOTE "Boycott Apple, we want the secrets," Trump said at a rally earlier in the day. "They don't want to open up the phones, give me a break, why wouldn't they want to do it?" Yeah, because only evil people and corporations have secrets. Which of course means that innocent people don't need privacy because they have nothing to hide. QUOTE "The phone is owned by the government. What are they doing?" Trump continued, referring to Apple CEO Tim Cook's resistance to comply with a judge's order to help the FBI access encrypted data on Farook's locked phone. Its current possessor came into it only after they killed its former masters and claimed it. They're lucky it was intact. Furthermore, there's no way to honour the request without the potential to fuck over every other smart phone owner in the country. Go fuck yourself, Don, and head back into your middling and below average success in real estate. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 22 2016,11:15
< Trump still a cunt > who's 100% ignorant of history outside his tiny brain and massive ego.QUOTE In the early 1900s, he recounted, Gen. John J. Pershing, known as Black Jack, captured 50 terrorists, dipped 50 bullets in pigs’ blood and had his soldiers execute 49 of the men. “The 50th person, he said, ‘You go back to your people and you tell them what happened,’ ’’ Mr. Trump said. “And for 25 years there wasn’t a problem.’’ You will note there is exactly zero evidence in any historical or military record anywhere to support this. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 26 2016,10:18
< Hey Donny, > go fuck yourself with one of your buildings.QUOTE "I have to say that we are not, I am not going to pay for that f***ing wall," ... "I am not. And he should know that. And I am not going to apologize," Fox added. In other news, < Dom DeLuise backs Trump > and I hope you didn't go to < Trump U >. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 26 2016,12:27
< Trump: > the IRS audited me because of my strong Christian beliefs. You'll recall Donnie Dickwad as the guy that couldn't quote his faith's holy book nor even refer to the individual catalogs inside by their proper, commonly known names.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 26 2016,12:37
Be careful what you say about President Trump. He seems like he'll have the secret police track down and murder his critics.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 26 2016,12:42
(Leisher @ Feb. 26 2016,14:37) QUOTE Be careful what you say about President Trump. He seems like he'll have the secret police track down and murder his critics. I don't think Trump is capable of guile or being inconspicuous. He's a dimmer version of Gilbert Gottfriend with more money and worse hair. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 26 2016,14:09
(Malcolm @ Feb. 26 2016,15:27) QUOTE < Trump: > the FBI audited me because of my strong Christian beliefs. You'll recall Donnie Dickwad as the guy that couldn't quote his faith's holy book nor even refer to the individual catalogs inside by their proper, commonly known names. FBI doesn't do a lot of audits, so I'm calling bullshit. ![]() Posted by GORDON on Feb. 26 2016,14:34
(Leisher @ Feb. 26 2016,15:37) QUOTE Be careful what you say about President Trump. He seems like he'll have the secret police track down and murder his critics. This has been known as "Getting Clintowned" since 1998. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 26 2016,15:31
(GORDON @ Feb. 26 2016,16:34) QUOTE (Leisher @ Feb. 26 2016,15:37) QUOTE Be careful what you say about President Trump. He seems like he'll have the secret police track down and murder his critics. This has been known as "Getting Clintowned" since 1998. I think it was known as a "J. Edgar special" before that. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 26 2016,15:33
Ha.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 28 2016,15:50
< Another > GOP brainwashee drinks the koolaid. Remind me to thank them for handing the white house to Hillary. Brilliant move, scared old white guys.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 29 2016,10:42
< Oliver on Trump >.QUOTE First and foremost, Trump is known for being rich and being a business success. Oliver said that reputation may not be entirely merited. “Not only did he get a multi-million dollar inheritance from his father but he’s also lost a huge amount.” His campaign says he’s currently worth more than $10 billion, but not everyone agrees about that number. In fact, when one book estimated that he might only be worth $150 million to $250 million, Trump retaliated by suing the writer for $5 billion. Trump lost that lawsuit. Hilariously, in the deposition for the suit, Trump asserted that his estimated net worth could change based on “feelings, even my own feelings.” Read that last sentence one more time, in case the density of the crazy hasn't bored a hole through your grey matter. Posted by Troy on Feb. 29 2016,10:49
I think the man is Hitler incarnate but even I think estimates are based on feelings.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 29 2016,10:50
(Troy @ Feb. 29 2016,12:49) QUOTE I think the man is Hitler incarnate but even I think estimates are based on feelings. Trump wishes he had half the charisma in Hitler's pinky. The man was an insane, racist, genocidal lunatic that deserved a bullet in his skull so the rest of the world could piss into it, but he was one hell of an orator. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 29 2016,10:50
Admittedly, he could be referring to difficult to mark assets, such as those in il-liquid markets. This impacts lots of people, not just Trump. Some markets are neither liquid nor efficient.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 29 2016,11:21
< Trump is fucking retarded >.QUOTE Even as he said he could not speak to whether a special commission should investigate the death, he added, “They say they found a pillow on his [Antonin Scalia's] face, which is a pretty unusual place to find a pillow.” ... He has declared on a presidential debate stage that he knew a 2-year-old who immediately developed autism from a vaccination. He has appeared on the radio show of the noted conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who has suggested that the government played a role in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and the 2013 Boston Marathon bombings. ... “Just the other day, 2 years old, 2-and-a-half-years old, a child, a beautiful child went to have the vaccine, and came back, and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic,” Mr. Trump said at a Republican debate in September. ... More recently, at a South Carolina campaign event, Mr. Trump touched on the smoky theory that the identity of those who funded the attacks was still not publicly known. If he wins, he said, “you will find out who really knocked down the World Trade Center.” ![]() Posted by Troy on Mar. 02 2016,10:07
So Trump is the Republican candidate for 2016 huh? That's uh... I guess what I expected. I'm still a little confused, because I haven't had an actual conversation with anyone who was voting for him, , but then again if you went by my friends and circles, Bernie Sanders was rolling Hillary. It goes without saying that he'd be a disaster, and i'm not quite sure how much I should worry. He hits a bell with a certain part of the GOP base, but that's where this circus surely has to end, I just can't see him getting broad support from anyone else. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 02 2016,10:22
QUOTE I haven't had an actual conversation with anyone who was voting for him My buddy, a lifelong pachyderm, is going Trump. Malcolm: "Dude, WHAT THE FUCK? You'll surrender the White House and Congress for the next two decades." "The party's fucked anyway. We're going out nuclear." Posted by Troy on Mar. 02 2016,10:27
True - if they really are voting purely to fuck shit up and make "change" happen, there isn't a better way they could go about it. A new party might spin off, certainly an identity change. Shit's gonna be wild.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 02 2016,10:39
(Troy @ Mar. 02 2016,12:27) QUOTE True - if they really are voting purely to fuck shit up and make "change" happen, there isn't a better way they could go about it. A new party might spin off, certainly an identity change. Shit's gonna be wild. I like watching a good inferno as much as anyone else. I don't want to be viewing from the inside out. Posted by Troy on Mar. 02 2016,10:51
I guess insulate yourself from the Republican party, then. No better time to be an independent.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 02 2016,11:02
< Moving to Canada is a hot google topic after Trump's Super Tuesday win. >It probably was more checking on what celebrities claimed they were moving, but this could be a positive side effect of Trump winning. The country could use fewer political nutjobs on both ends of the spectrum. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 02 2016,11:07
(Leisher @ Mar. 02 2016,13:02) QUOTE < Moving to Canada is a hot google topic after Trump's Super Tuesday win. > It probably was more checking on what celebrities claimed they were moving, but this could be a positive side effect of Trump winning. The country could use fewer political nutjobs on both ends of the spectrum. I bet they'll all think twice after they see the enormous "FUCK YOU" tax that comes along with leaving the US permanently. Or are these pussies talking about buying an open-ended ticket for 4-8 years? Posted by Leisher on Mar. 02 2016,12:52
I'm not a fan of morons who do that "I'm moving" shit. Makes me wonder what else they quit on when the road gets bumpy or they don't get their way. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 02 2016,12:53
(Leisher @ Mar. 02 2016,14:52) QUOTE I'm not a fan of morons who do that "I'm moving" shit. Makes me wonder what else they quit on when the road gets bumpy or they don't get their way. Yeah, they could pool their money and just put out a contract on the sumbitch. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 02 2016,13:18
I will be actually encouraging the "I'll leave the country" people to actually do so as a form of "ha ha, you suck."
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 02 2016,14:00
I will be encouraging them to find a homophobic, closeted gay elementary teacher with a couple gender reassignment surgeries under his belt to fuck Donnie Dickhead to death.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 02 2016,15:14
gender CONFIRMATION surgery. Keep up with the currently approved nomenclature.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 02 2016,15:31
Confirming should be done before cutting.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 03 2016,07:56
< A legend in his own mind >.QUOTE I have brought millions of people into the Republican Party, while the Dems are going down. I assume every advisor he has is nothing but a spineless sycophant. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 03 2016,10:29
< Trump's > "universal" health care plan.QUOTE Yet, when Mr. Trump has discussed health care during interviews and debates, he has vowed that his proposal will be universal, covering all Americans. “We’re not going to let people die in the streets,” he has said. During the first Republican debate in August, Mr. Trump praised the single-payer health-care systems in place in Canada and Scotland.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 03 2016,10:48
Once again I have to ask:Why aren't we simply gathering the names of the uninsured and then letting insurance companies bid on covering them? Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 03 2016,12:06
(Malcolm @ Mar. 03 2016,13:29) QUOTE < Trump's > "universal" health care plan. QUOTE Yet, when Mr. Trump has discussed health care during interviews and debates, he has vowed that his proposal will be universal, covering all Americans. “We’re not going to let people die in the streets,” he has said. During the first Republican debate in August, Mr. Trump praised the single-payer health-care systems in place in Canada and Scotland. Trump: Love single-payer Trump: We'll repeal ACA. Trump: We won't let people die Trump: Only losers won't have insurance. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 03 2016,12:19
I don't know if Donnie Dickweed has ever been to a hospital in Scotland or waited to see a physician over there but the NHS ain't deserving of aping.
Posted by Troy on Mar. 04 2016,07:38
Turns out talking about the size of your dick in a debate is a first for American politics.America, fuck yeah Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 04 2016,07:51
![]() Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 04 2016,08:29
I don't watch debates cuz they make me vomit.Apparently even my conservative friends were mad at last night. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 04 2016,08:32
(TheCatt @ Mar. 04 2016,10:29) QUOTE I don't watch debates cuz they make me vomit. Apparently even my conservative friends were mad at last night. It was like watching old, white dudes reenact the frat house scene from Neighbors. Posted by Troy on Mar. 04 2016,09:09
(TheCatt @ Mar. 04 2016,11:29) QUOTE I don't watch debates cuz they make me vomit. Apparently even my conservative friends were mad at last night. < Well this definetly is true. > And Trump rolled with it, in his own special way. It was pretty good popcorn watching for a while until they ran out of angry steam and just agreed on general conservative talking points. Turns out the economy is bad right now, and the democrats are to blame. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 04 2016,10:14
< Hah >. Sasha Baron Cohen on Trump.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 04 2016,10:25
It's amazing to me that this is where we are in politics in the U.S.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 04 2016,10:40
On the one hand, It's true that Trump is bringing up the issues that other candidates wouldn't touch...
Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 04 2016,10:59
(Leisher @ Mar. 04 2016,12:25) QUOTE It's amazing to me that this is where we are in politics in the U.S. If you mean the debate, it's not all that surprising. We've < been here before >. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 04 2016,11:00
(TPRJones @ Mar. 04 2016,12:59) QUOTE (Leisher @ Mar. 04 2016,12:25) QUOTE It's amazing to me that this is where we are in politics in the U.S. If you mean the debate, it's not all that surprising. We've < been here before >. Both those candidates had brains with an IQ over 100. Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 04 2016,11:56
Oh, there's no doubt that these candidates are some of the dumbest we've ever had. But in terms of insults and attacks it's nothing new.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 06 2016,10:38
< Trump fellates Patton > while arguing laws prohibiting torture are making us weak and slow.QUOTE “I think we are weak. We cannot beat ISIS. We should beat ISIS very quickly. General Patton would have had ISIS down in about three days,” Trump said, referring to the World War II military commander. You remember Patton? QUOTE Patton was a staunch fatalist, and believed in reincarnation. He believed that he may have been a military leader killed in action in Napoleon's army in a previous life, or a Roman legionary. Pic from a Trump rally, I'm told this is genuine: ![]() WTF?!? Posted by GORDON on Mar. 06 2016,11:27
(Malcolm @ Mar. 06 2016,13:38) QUOTE You remember Patton? QUOTE Patton was a staunch fatalist, and believed in reincarnation. He believed that he may have been a military leader killed in action in Napoleon's army in a previous life, or a Roman legionary. I don't think that's worth mocking any more than a good leader who believes firmly in the christian dogma. None of it makes more sense than the other. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 06 2016,11:28
(Malcolm @ Mar. 06 2016,13:38) QUOTE Pic from a Trump rally, I'm told this is genuine: ![]() WTF?!? I'm sure the pictures are genuine, but the players are not. There was a picture floating around on facebook showing KKK guys holding up Trump signs, and you could see one of them was a black guy. Lots of well-poisoning happening. Or is that astroturfing? I forget my terminology for dirty pool. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 06 2016,14:46
(GORDON @ Mar. 06 2016,13:27) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Mar. 06 2016,13:38) QUOTE You remember Patton? QUOTE Patton was a staunch fatalist, and believed in reincarnation. He believed that he may have been a military leader killed in action in Napoleon's army in a previous life, or a Roman legionary. I don't think that's worth mocking any more than a good leader who believes firmly in the christian dogma. None of it makes more sense than the other. I find it convenient as hell everyone who believes in past lives inevitably were major historical persons or one of their hangers on. You never hear about the guy that shoveled shit in ten lives as a peasant. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 06 2016,15:22
You did in Defending Your Life.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 06 2016,16:05
(Malcolm @ Mar. 06 2016,17:46) QUOTE (GORDON @ Mar. 06 2016,13:27) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Mar. 06 2016,13:38) QUOTE You remember Patton? QUOTE Patton was a staunch fatalist, and believed in reincarnation. He believed that he may have been a military leader killed in action in Napoleon's army in a previous life, or a Roman legionary. I don't think that's worth mocking any more than a good leader who believes firmly in the christian dogma. None of it makes more sense than the other. I find it convenient as hell everyone who believes in past lives inevitably were major historical persons or one of their hangers on. You never hear about the guy that shoveled shit in ten lives as a peasant. Granted, Patton had the skillz. If anyone were a reincarnation of a roman general, it would have been him. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 07 2016,07:02
I never liked Patton. He was far too willing to get his men killed for his own personal glory.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 07 2016,07:45
(Leisher @ Mar. 07 2016,10:02) QUOTE I never liked Patton. He was far too willing to get his men killed for his own personal glory. I hear you. I don't disagree. But he won. Posted by Vince on Mar. 07 2016,18:39
(GORDON @ Mar. 06 2016,13:28) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Mar. 06 2016,13:38) QUOTE Pic from a Trump rally, I'm told this is genuine: ![]() WTF?!? I'm sure the pictures are genuine, but the players are not. There was a picture floating around on facebook showing KKK guys holding up Trump signs, and you could see one of them was a black guy. Lots of well-poisoning happening. Or is that astroturfing? I forget my terminology for dirty pool. Trump had asked everyone to raise their right hand and promise they were going to vote for him. Pretty sure that he probably will never do that at another one of his rallies. I sometimes wonder how he finds his jet when it's time to go home. He's that unaware of pretty much everything. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 07 2016,18:43
So it's real. Just goddamn.QUOTE Trump had asked everyone to raise their right hand and promise they were going to vote for him. Mistake by Trump. QUOTE Trump had asked everyone to raise their Fixed. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 08 2016,09:58
< Response >.QUOTE On MSNBC's "Morning Joe," Trump was asked whether he is trying to emulate Hitler. "Boy, is that a stretch," he said. "I say jokingly, 'Raise your hand if you swear to endorse me,' " he added. "The entire place is practically laughing and having a good time. They're raising their hands in the form of a vote, not in the form of a salute." You probably weren't trying to, just like this dude wasn't trying to look like him: ![]() Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 10 2016,10:12
< Emperor Cocksucker > speaks.QUOTE "I think Islam hates us," Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper, deploring the "tremendous hatred" that he said partly defined the religion. He maintained the war was against radical Islam, but said, "it's very hard to define. It's very hard to separate. Because you don't know who's who." It gets better. QUOTE In speaking with Cooper, Trump added that "there can be no doctrine" when asked to outline how he would project power overseas. "I have no plan," is generally not viewed in a positive light. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 11 2016,07:32
< Trump has balls licked > by Ben Carson.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 11 2016,10:07
< When I say the Republican party > is fucking dead in the water at the bottom of Challenger Deep...QUOTE Much of the polling on views of Muslims has focused on Trump’s proposal to keep all non-citizen Muslims out of the U.S. “until we can figure out what’s going on.” In early December, several polls asked voters whether they supported or opposed that proposal. The questions' wording mattered -- Trump’s exact conditions for the proposal were unclear, so pollsters asked the question in different ways -- but overall, majorities of Republicans supported the proposal unless it was presented as a “total and complete shutdown of any Muslim entering the United States.” Even in that scenario, 42 percent of Republican voters supported the proposal. ... just goddamn. Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 11 2016,14:18
So much for religious freedom and separation of church and state, eh?
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 11 2016,14:23
(TPRJones @ Mar. 11 2016,17:18) QUOTE So much for religious freedom and separation of church and state, eh? I don't think the government has ever approved of death cults. Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 11 2016,14:31
Then why aren't we trying to keep out the rest of them? There's a lot of violence and murder done around the world in the name of Christianity as well, after all.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 11 2016,14:42
(GORDON @ Mar. 11 2016,16:23) QUOTE (TPRJones @ Mar. 11 2016,17:18) QUOTE So much for religious freedom and separation of church and state, eh? I don't think the government has ever approved of death cults. Please tell me you're not suggesting mainstream Islam is a death cult? Posted by GORDON on Mar. 11 2016,14:50
(Malcolm @ Mar. 11 2016,17:42) QUOTE (GORDON @ Mar. 11 2016,16:23) QUOTE (TPRJones @ Mar. 11 2016,17:18) QUOTE So much for religious freedom and separation of church and state, eh? I don't think the government has ever approved of death cults. Please tell me you're not suggesting mainstream Islam is a death cult? Big time. Even the moderate ones, even though they aren't committed enough to follow through. I don't trust anyone who believes in the invisible sky father. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 11 2016,15:08
QUOTE I don't trust anyone who believes in the invisible sky father. Eh, I got friends that believe in one religion or another. I trust at least a few. I don't believe everything they do. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 11 2016,18:32
< The people love him >.QUOTE Trump attributed the protests not to objections to his policies, but to general malaise in the United States — particularly among people upset they haven’t been able to find jobs.
“It’s anger in the country,” he said. “I don’t think it’s directed at me. Just what’s been going on for years.” But many of the protesters at the event said they were there to stop Trump from speaking. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 11 2016,21:36
Know who else wanted to stop people from speaking?
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 11 2016,22:20
(GORDON @ Mar. 11 2016,23:36) QUOTE Know who else wanted to stop people from speaking? A world where Donnie dickweed talks less sounds nice about now. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 13 2016,12:42
< Record Label to reward guy who tried to attack Trump. >Imagine if someone had tried to do this to Obama and some country label bought him a bunch of stuff. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 13 2016,14:47
Yeah, I was trying to make the argument with some Bernie disciples that while Trump has some poor rhetoric, Bernie's worshipers are actually out there committing crimes (or trying to)
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 14 2016,07:03
< Guy at Trump rally crosses the line of taste yet again. >I find it interesting that the MSM is really finding the crazies at Trump's rallies and putting them on the front page. Remember during the last elections cycles when the opposition was planting people at rallies who were nuts and having them seek out the MSM? Wonder how much of that is going on here? And no, I'm not suggesting these folks are all plants or even this moron, but I'm betting they're in use. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 14 2016,07:15
Supresson of free speech is OK as long as you only do it to Republicans.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 14 2016,07:55
(GORDON @ Mar. 14 2016,09:15) QUOTE Supresson of free speech is OK as long as you only do it to Republicans. Calling him a Republican is more than a substantial portion of that party is willing to do. Posted by Alhazad on Mar. 14 2016,12:10
(Leisher @ Mar. 14 2016,07:03) QUOTE Remember during the last elections cycles when the opposition was planting people at rallies who were nuts and having them seek out the MSM? Wonder how much of that is going on here? People in chicken suits used to follow President Bush I to events and taunt him. It's a long and rich democratic tradition that must be respected. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 15 2016,07:12
< Anonymous will "dismantle Trump's campaign" on April 1st. >So now Anonymous will be attempting to alter elections. Awesome. How does them imposing their belief system on a nation full of people make them better than Trump? Or hell, ISIS? Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 15 2016,07:33
QUOTE So now Anonymous will be attempting to alter elections. Awesome. Just another PAC as far as I'm concerned, with different currency. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 15 2016,07:55
(Malcolm @ Mar. 15 2016,10:33) QUOTE QUOTE So now Anonymous will be attempting to alter elections. Awesome. Just another PAC as far as I'm concerned, with different currency. Coercion instead of bribes, basically. At least Anon is being honest about it. Still bad. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 15 2016,07:55
(Malcolm @ Mar. 15 2016,10:33) QUOTE QUOTE So now Anonymous will be attempting to alter elections. Awesome. Just another PAC as far as I'm concerned, with different currency. Basically, yes. Although, actually taking action rather than a commercial campaign does separate them. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 17 2016,09:34
< Simpsons > called it.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 17 2016,10:08
< Hahahaha >.QUOTE To put a fine point on it: Economist sees a Trump election as an equivalent global risk to terrorism destabilizing the world economy.
... It's important to remember, though, the lens through which the magazine is looking at this. Trump's a risk not because of the violence that has swirled around his rallies or because of his rapidly evolving policy positions — at least not primarily. He's a risk because he hates free trade. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 18 2016,15:35
< Asshole density > readings will be off the charts.QUOTE “Here I’m gonna be kinda wearing two hats — in charge of the security there in the town and also participating, I would imagine, with Trump in the rally, so it makes it interesting,” Arpaio said in an interview with POLITICO, adding that it “is going to be a lot of fun taking care of business there.” ... Arpaio has long been a controversial figure both in Arizona and nationally. The sheriff and his deputies were found to have violated the constitutional rights of Latinos in 2013, and in 2015 the federal ruling was mostly upheld. And he’s been sued multiple times. Since he took office in 1993, he’s cost taxpayers $142 million in legal expenses, settlements and court awards, according to The Arizona Republic. Yet, the man who calls himself “America’s toughest sheriff” has been reelected six times, and he’s going for number seven. This should go smoothly. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 21 2016,14:51
< Muhammad Ali > had more humility even back in his day than Donnie Dickbag has now.QUOTE Trump has for weeks said he would release the names of foreign policy advisers but has until now repeatedly missed his own deadlines. Asked last week in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" about his advisers, Trump first pointed to himself: "I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain." He has no other choice but to pick Kanye for his VP running mate. Everybody else has an ego that's lightyears too small in radius. Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 21 2016,16:04
I expect Trump will name a female for his VP. My current best guess would be Ann Coulter.
Posted by Alhazad on Mar. 21 2016,16:07
(TPRJones @ Mar. 21 2016,16:04) QUOTE I expect Trump will name a female for his VP. My current best guess would be Ann Coulter. Oh, you know who's female, popular, and conservative? Hillary Clinton. Posted by Troy on Mar. 21 2016,17:26
(TPRJones @ Mar. 21 2016,19:04) QUOTE I expect Trump will name a female for his VP. My current best guess would be Ann Coulter. Would love this. Why not double down on it! Posted by GORDON on Mar. 21 2016,17:46
All I'm saying is give Sarah Palin a second chance. I'm sure the media will be a lot more fair this time around.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 21 2016,18:52
(GORDON @ Mar. 21 2016,19:46) QUOTE All I'm saying is give Sarah Palin a second chance. I'm sure the media will be a lot more fair this time around. Sarah makes Ann look like Marilyn Vos Savant. I can't entirely blame the media for her being a dumb-ass and shitty speaker. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 22 2016,05:10
Who was more qualified for the job than the community organizer, but they claimed to opposite, loudly and frequently.I fucking hate liars. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2016,07:24
QUOTE I fucking hate liars. Trump lies a fuckton. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 22 2016,08:02
(Malcolm @ Mar. 22 2016,10:24) QUOTE QUOTE I fucking hate liars. Trump lies a fuckton. I've been paying zero attention so I am enjoying my cognitive dissonance. But you say that as if to suggest the other candidates haven't been lying. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 22 2016,08:10
Malcolm hates Trump so much I figured perhaps Trump was in law enforcement.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2016,08:18
(Leisher @ Mar. 22 2016,10:10) QUOTE Malcolm hates Trump so much I figured perhaps Trump was in law enforcement. The prez is nothing less than the head of the executive branch, part of the responsibilities include "top cop." Let me know when he gets Mexico to pay for the wall and deports eight figures worth of immigrants. QUOTE But you say that as if to suggest the other candidates haven't been lying. Sure they do. But they aren't taking it to the next level Fight Club-like, as is Donnie Numbnuts. Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 22 2016,08:25
(GORDON @ Mar. 22 2016,10:02) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Mar. 22 2016,10:24) QUOTE QUOTE I fucking hate liars. Trump lies a fuckton. I've been paying zero attention so I am enjoying my cognitive dissonance. But you say that as if to suggest the other candidates haven't been lying. They all lie some. Some lie more than others. Trump has taken this tradition to new and absurdly high levels of ridiculousness. He makes Bernie Madoff look honest. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 22 2016,09:41
The wall is easily the stupidest of all his ideas.Ever see the Penn and Teller Bullshit (?) episode where they hired illegals to build an exact replica of "the wall" proposed at the time, and then had them get into three teams and each successfully went over, under, or through the wall faster than they built it? Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2016,10:28
QUOTE The wall is easily the stupidest of all his ideas. I'd say it's approximately equally stupid as all the rest of them. I have yet to see that dude offer even a minimal policy blueprint for anything he wants aside from blind and fanatical mix of nationalism and economic sabre rattling. If he wins the office, it'll be like when Peter Griffin and his band got a gig but forget they didn't know any songs. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 22 2016,10:40
QUOTE The prez is nothing less than the head of the executive branch, part of the responsibilities include "top cop." So why aren't you bashing Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, or Kasich in the same way? QUOTE I'd say it's approximately equally stupid as all the rest of them. I have yet to see that dude offer even a minimal policy blueprint for anything he wants aside from blind and fanatical mix of nationalism and economic sabre rattling. If he wins the office, it'll be like when Peter Griffin and his band got a gig but forget they didn't know any songs. This is why the Republicans need to get in front of this monster they ignored and start making deals. Make a deal with him that if he lets them pick the majority of his cabinet and X as his running mate, then they'll get Cruz and Kasich to drop out and they will assure him of the nomination. Stipulate no more talking off the cuff. First the Republicans ignored him. Then they laughed anytime someone pointed at his poll numbers. They were CERTAIN he'd fall out of favor. Then he started winning and they still ignored it while singing the same song and dancing the same dance. Now that he's firmly in command of a massive portion of their voting block, they are thinking of cutting him off at the legs. They're failing in every possible way. Trump isn't the biggest fuck up in the room, it's the Republicans. Meanwhile, what he has done is make everyone focus on him and the Republicans so nobody will notice that the Democrats are in as bad or worse shape. Clinton and Sanders? Really? There was nobody else? Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2016,10:46
QUOTE So why aren't you bashing Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, or Kasich in the same way? Because I know they have a brain in their skull. Trump has yet to prove anything close and I think he doesn't have the capacity to hold a conversation above an 8th-grade level. QUOTE Trump isn't the biggest fuck up in the room, it's the Republicans. I've said many a time that party needs to dissolve, filter out the fundie psychos, and reform under a banner of economic and logical sanity. There's not a goddamn chance that any of them will give up the tradition/brand/whatever that it offers, though. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 22 2016,11:04
QUOTE Because I know they have a brain in their skull. What do you base that on? Sanders is old as dirt, yet somehow can't pick up a history book to see why his plans will fail. Clinton actually said recently, "Under my watch, nobody died in Libya." She was stupid enough to get blown out by a fucking community organizer. QUOTE Trump has yet to prove anything close and I think he doesn't have the capacity to hold a conversation above an 8th-grade level. Trump is richer than both of them. Talk about his dad's money all you want, but the fucker is doing business every day and isn't broke. He's also funding his own campaign, which is the single best thing about any candidate. I'm not voting for Trump...or Sanders...or Clinton. There's an 80% chance I write in "Reagan's ghost". But, I'm getting tired of watching attacks against him while the other two are equally unqualified and undeserving of being in their position. QUOTE I've said many a time that party needs to dissolve, filter out the fundie psychos, and reform under a banner of economic and logical sanity. There's not a goddamn chance that any of them will give up the tradition/brand/whatever that it offers, though. The Dems have always been more flexible because they hitched their wagon to the public's moral compass rather than having a rigid set of standards. They make it seem like they're champions of the underdogs and unrepresented while enacting policy that keeps those same folks oppressed. Point being, the Republicans simply suck at PR. Both parties suck monkey balls. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2016,11:12
QUOTE What do you base that on? Hearing them talk and watching them do things. They exude some degree of higher intelligence. Not much, but they're on a different plane of intellect than Donnie Dickeater. I genuinely wonder about his ability to grasp complex concepts, which is not something his batshit insane rhetoric has done. I was serious about him picking Kanye as VP. Trump inherited his fortune, Kanye married his. Both wouldn't be viewed with such scorn if they'd stop thinking their financial gurus and learn that 90% of the thoughts in their head should fucking stay there as opposed to getting loosed upon the world, polluting grey matter. QUOTE Trump is richer than both of them. Talk about his dad's money all you want, but the fucker is doing business every day and isn't broke. According to his percentages from the last few decades, his "business" would be doing better if he shoved his cash into low-risk IRAs and mutual funds. If he left his wealth alone, he have more of it. Ergo, I call him stupid for not doing so and not crunching numbers involving only basic math to figure it out. QUOTE But, I'm getting tired of watching attacks against him while the other two are equally unqualified and undeserving of being in their position. That's like bitching the dude wearing a dayglow radioactive green suit decorated with LEDs is more noticeable in the dark than the norm. Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 22 2016,12:06
QUOTE This is why the Republicans need to get in front of this monster they ignored and start making deals. I don't think Drumpf would be interested in the slightest, no matter how much they promised him. He's intent on yanking the entire party out from under their feet, and it looks like he's going to pull it off. Why would he need to negotiate? QUOTE Stipulate no more talking off the cuff. Not a chance in hell he'd ever agree to that. Way too much ego; don't you know that everything he says is brilliant? Why would you want him to stop being brilliant? Besides, he doesn't need to make deals. Back before he was winning all the Republican candidates were forced to sign a contract that they would fully support whomever wins the nomination. They did it to get Drumpf to fall into line after he lost, but now it's going to bite them squarely on the ass. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2016,12:16
QUOTE Back before he was winning all the Republican candidates were forced to sign a contract that they would fully support whomever wins the nomination. If they want to prove their party has any semblance of balls remaining, they'll let common sense veto that. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 22 2016,12:43
(TPRJones @ Mar. 22 2016,11:25) QUOTE They all lie some. Some lie more than others. Trump has taken this tradition to new and absurdly high levels of ridiculousness. He makes Bernie Madoff look honest. I have more respect for over the top bullshit than I do for the stuff that sounds sincere and actually sways people because they are hurting and need that help, only to be disappointed yet again later when the person gets elected on their broken promises. No one will be hurt if Trump promises to install space lasers of the American southwest that have the ability to let jackrabbits through but not illegals. People should have been more pissed when Gitmo was never closed, since that was a "Day 1" promise. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2016,12:46
You value exaggeration over false sincerity? What's the difference?QUOTE No one will be hurt if Trump promises to install space lasers of the American southwest that have the ability to let jackrabbits through but not illegals. He might be if he wants to get reelected or have a shot in hell at building a consensus in Congress. If elected, the relationship between President Don Fuckwit and Congress will make Jimmy Carter look like George Washington. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 22 2016,12:51
(Malcolm @ Mar. 22 2016,15:46) QUOTE You value exaggeration over false sincerity? What's the difference? Personal preference. I hate liars, but I hate fucking liars even more. QUOTE QUOTE No one will be hurt if Trump promises to install space lasers of the American southwest that have the ability to let jackrabbits through but not illegals. He might be if he wants to get reelected or have a shot in hell at building a consensus in Congress. If elected, the relationship between President Don Fuckwit and Congress will make Jimmy Carter look like George Washington. So.... good? Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2016,13:58
QUOTE I hate liars, but I hate fucking liars even more. I don't see how lying on the campaign trail isn't viewed as exaggerating one's intentions. After that, I don't see how "over the top" beats "soft sell broken promises." Are you suggesting that if Bernie and Hillary would just say, "We're going to rob the rich at gunpoint and redistribute wealth by hand until our reelection chances are optimal," or "Personal privacy? Hah. Fuck you, you'll need to fill out three different forms just to take a shit and have an officially sanctioned government bureaucrat watching you. Five forms if you want to use a toilet, and god help you if you want to take a shit on an airplane in flight because the paperwork will be longer and the air marshals will just tell you to fuck off," you'd like them more? Posted by GORDON on Mar. 22 2016,15:19
(Malcolm @ Mar. 22 2016,16:58) QUOTE QUOTE I hate liars, but I hate fucking liars even more. I don't see how lying on the campaign trail isn't viewed as exaggerating one's intentions. After that, I don't see how "over the top" beats "soft sell broken promises." Are you suggesting that if Bernie and Hillary would just say, "We're going to rob the rich at gunpoint and redistribute wealth by hand until our reelection chances are optimal," or "Personal privacy? Hah. Fuck you, you'll need to fill out three different forms just to take a shit and have an officially sanctioned government bureaucrat watching you. Hand to god, I would vote for that evil, but honest, politician. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2016,15:22
If I can't trust a politician to confuse and misdirect his own countrymen, I can't expect him to do it to world leaders. I value guile, and Redd Foxx had more than Donnie Dumbass.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 22 2016,15:31
(Malcolm @ Mar. 22 2016,18:22) QUOTE If I can't trust a politician to confuse and misdirect his own countrymen, I can't expect him to do it to world leaders. I value guile, and Redd Foxx had more than Donnie Dumbass. Obama has being a fucking liar his entire administration, and has tens of millions of groupies willing to kill or die for him, and he has been a disaster with foreign relations. Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 22 2016,15:35
Sure. But how does that make Trump better? Just because I'm tired of being fed shit on toast doesn't mean I'll like shit on a bagel any better.
Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 22 2016,15:35
(Malcolm @ Mar. 22 2016,17:22) QUOTE I value guile... Is he running? ![]() Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2016,15:38
Maybe in Brussels.![]() Posted by GORDON on Mar. 22 2016,15:39
(TPRJones @ Mar. 22 2016,18:35) QUOTE Sure. But how does that make Trump better? Just because I'm tired of being fed shit on toast doesn't mean I'll like shit on a bagel any better. Didn't say it did, I just don't think Malcolm's argument holds water. He says he wants a leader with guile, then says Trump is bad because he lies. I dunno. Maybe I'm wrong. Honesty is just one of the big things I look for in a leader. I don't follow people who lie to me over and over "for my own good." Again, don't care. Personally as of now I'm voting for Trump just for the comedy if he actually gets elected. NONE OF IT WILL AFFECT ME NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED, and my pride and sense of self-worth is not tied to how well my political party performs during the election. I'm golden, because I don't give a fuck. I can sit back and troll. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2016,15:42
(GORDON @ Mar. 22 2016,17:31) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Mar. 22 2016,18:22) QUOTE If I can't trust a politician to confuse and misdirect his own countrymen, I can't expect him to do it to world leaders. I value guile, and Redd Foxx had more than Donnie Dumbass. Obama has being a fucking liar his entire administration, and has tens of millions of groupies willing to kill or die for him, and he has been a disaster with foreign relations. Yeah, but he does it badly. Now, Clinton ... THERE was a liar. FDR was a fantastic liar. The last one the pachyderms had who was in the professional leagues was Ray-gun. Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 22 2016,16:53
(GORDON @ Mar. 22 2016,17:39) QUOTE NONE OF IT WILL AFFECT ME NO MATTER WHO GETS ELECTED (makes a note to bring this up again later as needed) Posted by GORDON on Mar. 22 2016,16:57
Now I'm going to vote for Trump twice.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2016,17:28
(GORDON @ Mar. 22 2016,18:57) QUOTE Now I'm going to vote for Trump twice. He's going to need all the help he can get. I can't think of a willing running mate he could pick that's sane enough to do anything except make his life more difficult. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 23 2016,10:36
< Donny Smallballs > decides to twitter ambush Ted Cruz's wife, because his absurdly undersized micropenis won't allow otherwise.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 24 2016,12:17
You know what? Maybe we need Trump. At the very least, maybe we fucking deserve Trump.If your brain can take the absolute fucking TORTURE that is < this article about Emory students responding to pro-Trump chalk writings > then give it a look and tell me that this country's youth deserves a better leader than Trump. Hell or even Sanders or Clinton. Hopefully someone will give them all a trophy so they feel better about themselves. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 24 2016,12:19
College students, in spite of their voting age, are generally morons. All they needed to do was write "... loves the cock" after every pro-Trump message.QUOTE Maybe we need Trump. At the very least, maybe we fucking deserve Trump. Hell no and fucking hell no. Donald Trump is what happens when ego and self-esteem run amok. In his case, it turns him into a rabid, frothing at the mouth demagogue instead of a cowering, passive-aggressive pussy. I mean demagogue by the strictest, most complete sense of the word. QUOTE a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 24 2016,13:26
I am somewhat bewildered that anyone thinks any candidate is better than any other when they are all walking piles of lying human trash. Every single one.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 24 2016,13:29
(Malcolm @ Mar. 24 2016,15:19) QUOTE QUOTE a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument. How does that not apply to Sanders and Clinton? It seems to me that accurately describes the Democrats' political strategy since they lost the 2000 election. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 24 2016,14:36
(Leisher @ Mar. 24 2016,15:29) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Mar. 24 2016,15:19) QUOTE QUOTE a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument. How does that not apply to Sanders and Clinton? It seems to me that accurately describes the Democrats' political strategy since they lost the 2000 election. If you want to get picky, politics is inherently irrational but that's a matter for another time. At the very least, both have a coherent platform and plan for wtf they'd do if elected. Probably because they've been wetdreaming about it for the two centuries each has been alive. Trump has offered nothing but: 1) reactionary blanket statements which betray an utter lack of logical and historical comprehension on pretty much any subject he spends more than a few sentences on 2) debate tactics I'd call immature for a fucking forensics team raised exclusively in a frat house 3) lame personal insults that would earn a devastating riposte from lowly comedians even "Last Comic Standing" wouldn't touch Posted by GORDON on Mar. 24 2016,15:43
(Malcolm @ Mar. 24 2016,17:36) QUOTE At the very least, both have a coherent platform and plan for wtf they'd do if elected. And they both lie about 100% of what they plan to do. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 24 2016,18:00
(GORDON @ Mar. 24 2016,17:43) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Mar. 24 2016,17:36) QUOTE At the very least, both have a coherent platform and plan for wtf they'd do if elected. And they both lie about 100% of what they plan to do. I got a decent idea what they'll do if they get elected. Trump is less predictable and has the potential to fuck up on the scale of Hoover, Nixon, or Buchanan. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 24 2016,18:07
(Malcolm @ Mar. 24 2016,21:00) QUOTE (GORDON @ Mar. 24 2016,17:43) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Mar. 24 2016,17:36) QUOTE At the very least, both have a coherent platform and plan for wtf they'd do if elected. And they both lie about 100% of what they plan to do. I got a decent idea what they'll do if they get elected. Trump is less predictable and has the potential to fuck up on the scale of Hoover, Nixon, or Buchanan. Hillary has already fucked up more than all of them put together, and no one cares. I think FDR still has her beat, though. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 24 2016,18:37
James Buchanan is almost universally regarded by legit historians as the < worst motherfucker ever to take up the office >. To put it bluntly, no, Hillary has not fucked anywhere near as badly. We'll see how long it takes a civil war to break out after she wins the election, because I'm calling her victory right now. To quote catt, "Any takers?"EDIT: Really, FDR? The four-term loser that got us through most of WWII? His grasp of economics was laughably bad and his "four freedoms" speech makes me cringe every time I hear it, but he's not even in the bottom third. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 24 2016,18:42
Hillary hasn't taken office, so she wouldn't be in any lists compared to Buchanan.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 24 2016,18:43
(GORDON @ Mar. 24 2016,20:42) QUOTE Hillary hasn't taken office, so she wouldn't be in any lists compared to Buchanan. The worst shit she's done in any office pales in comparison to Jimmy B. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 24 2016,18:48
I don't have anything to say about that. I am not familiar with Buchanan's presidency.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 24 2016,19:01
(Malcolm @ Mar. 24 2016,21:00) QUOTE (GORDON @ Mar. 24 2016,17:43) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Mar. 24 2016,17:36) QUOTE At the very least, both have a coherent platform and plan for wtf they'd do if elected. And they both lie about 100% of what they plan to do. I got a decent idea what they'll do if they get elected. Trump is less predictable and has the potential to fuck up on the scale of Hoover, Nixon, or Buchanan. Yeah, socialism has either worked or been a minor disaster everywhere... I'd rather have some asshole wing it than another asshole who wants to march us off a cliff like the lemmings that went before us. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 24 2016,20:20
What will turn us in that direction is the congressional seats that the pachyderms lose because their nominee is less electable than Andrew dice clay.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 25 2016,15:34
< The fuq >?QUOTE I did not know about it, and have not, as yet, read it. Likewise, I have nothing to do with the National Enquirer and unlike Lyin’ Ted Cruz I do not surround myself with political hacks and henchman and then pretend total innocence... ... said Donnie the brain-dead sack of shit. Posted by Vince on Mar. 25 2016,16:25
< Ann Coulter, Trump Campaign Manager Spread Hoax News Story >What had me rolling was this twitter feed (thread? whatever) < Nate Silver on Twitter > Trump only hires THE BEST people. Been reading about his ground game in these states since the primaries. Looking like if he doesn't wrap up the 1237 delegates (and that's in question now as his poll numbers are collapsing) that he's going to lose at the convention simply because he doesn't know how this works. I suspect Cruz will pull it out at the convention if it gets that far since he knows very well how that game works as he was one of the attorneys Bush sent to Florida in '00 Posted by Troy on Mar. 25 2016,16:28
(Vince @ Mar. 25 2016,19:25) QUOTE I suspect Cruz will pull it out at the convention if it gets that far It will be a hell of a week if that happens. Riots, Fires, the crazies will come out of the woodwork - especially the ones who have coined the term "eGop" which I didn't know existed until this week. Not in my neck of the woods, but other places. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 25 2016,16:49
I find it somewhat amusing that Malcolm has called me a fool more than once for bothering to vote in presidential elections, but he has extremely strong opinions about for whom we shouldn't vote.
Posted by Vince on Mar. 25 2016,17:23
(Troy @ Mar. 25 2016,18:28) QUOTE (Vince @ Mar. 25 2016,19:25) QUOTE I suspect Cruz will pull it out at the convention if it gets that far It will be a hell of a week if that happens. Riots, Fires, the crazies will come out of the woodwork - especially the ones who have coined the term "eGop" which I didn't know existed until this week. Not in my neck of the woos, but other places. I agree. It will be a mess. But it looks like he's going into the convention about as prepared as he went into the debates. And these last two where there weren't enough candidates to dilute the ignorant (not stupid, but unprepared) shows that he doesn't care too much about learning stuff. Don't know that he can blame anyone but himself for that one. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 25 2016,19:10
(GORDON @ Mar. 25 2016,18:49) QUOTE I find it somewhat amusing that Malcolm has called me a fool more than once for bothering to vote in presidential elections, but he has extremely strong opinions about for whom we shouldn't vote. All choices are shitty, but Trump is shitty in a way that makes Ross Perot look like Henry Kissinger. I'd prefer no one vote in the pathetic system we have, but if you have to, I know who I want to lose. I'll still take Bernie over Trump any day of the week. I'd take Xerxes from 300 over Trump. Posted by Vince on Mar. 25 2016,19:49
In 2012 the best point to hit Obama on was Obamacare. So the Republicans nominated the one Republican in the field that actually implemented his own Obamacare that Obamacare said he modeled his Obamacare after, thus completely removing the single best arrow from their quiver.This year we are going to run against the Democrat candidate with the second highest negative poll numbers in the history of negative number poll taking. And The Republicans are on their way to nominating the candidate with the WORST negative poll numbers of any candidate since they started negative poll taking. I'm starting to think the Republicans just deserve to lose. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2016,10:54
< Burn, baby, burn >.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 27 2016,12:19
I like that Trump gets the headline there, and at the very bottom it's casually mentioned that they also burned an Obama.
Posted by Vince on Mar. 27 2016,17:15
< Here's why I don't think Trump can win the primary. > If he gets to 1237 he's golden, but I think that's becoming less and less likely. A contested convention happens once every 40 or 50 years, so planning on one seems like a waste of money and effert. Until it happens. Then you look like a freaking genius. QUOTE The Cruz campaign has shrewdly been picking “the people who will be the actual delegates to the convention, where they will help write the rules and ultimately choose the nominee,” according to the Journal. “I do not know Mr. Trump, I do not know his staff people. Quite frankly, we don’t have much of a campaign in Louisiana. All we have is voters,” Kay Kellogg Katz, a Trump supporter told the WSJ, in summarizing the predicament of the Trump campaign. Katz was unsuccessful in winning a position on a key panel at the convention. I read another story where Cruz is stacking the delegate deck in FL as well. That won't help with the initial 3 votes, but after that Florida goes free to choose any candidate. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2016,17:58
Christ on a crutch, I hope you're right.
Posted by Vince on Mar. 27 2016,19:19
Personally I find it fall on the floor funny that the guy with a "vary good brain" that gets the best people and negotiates the best deals stands to lose because his ignorance of how the convention works is going to keep him from being able to make a deal. I really, really want to see this happen for that reason alone.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2016,21:47
![]() ![]() Posted by Alhazad on Mar. 27 2016,23:40
(Vince @ Mar. 27 2016,17:15) QUOTE Kay Kellogg Katz, a Trump supporter Nice initials, lady. Posted by Vince on Mar. 28 2016,04:20
I missed that with the initials. And I saw almost a verbatim quote from a guy in IL as well in a different story. Trump has no ground game at all in any of these states.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 28 2016,06:58
The Republicans are fucked no matter what and they're responsible for this nightmare. They continue to cling to outdated politics and cater almost exclusively to a voter base that's shrinking. They continue to ignore how the Democrats place social issues at the forefront to hide their glaring weaknesses elsewhere. They did nothing as Trump came along and only now want to try and hijack things at the very end. If Trump doesn't get the nomination due to some backdoor political deals, the Republicans will be even more fucked than they are now. Yes, nominating him is just shit, but you have a place to go from there. You've hit rock bottom and can shift gears on your entire party from that point. If you do the wheeling and dealing, you go lower than rock bottom. You alienate a HUGE percentage of your own base who will then vote for Trump as a third party candidate. Now those people are pissed at you going forward because you've openly said you don't care about them by not nominating their guy. Meanwhile, the Dems easily win the presidency and you'll probably lose a lot of seats in Congress as well. If Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio are the future of the Republican party, they need to start now. Take over the party and update political platforms. And how is nobody in the Republican leadership at least trying to coddle Trump and ease up his rhetoric? Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 28 2016,07:14
QUOTE how is nobody in the Republican leadership at least trying to coddle Trump and ease up his rhetoric? They try, he doesn't listen. QUOTE the Republicans will be even more fucked than they are now. I'd have a bit more respect if they found a way to deny it to him. As far as the people voting for him, they can go off and live in third party land and self-excise while the GOP keeps the brand instead of vice versa. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 28 2016,07:54
< Donnie Dimwit > is pouting.QUOTE Just to show you how unfair Republican primary politics can be, I won the State of Louisiana and get less delegates than Cruz-Lawsuit coming Here's a classic: QUOTE Another radical Islamic attack, this time in Pakistan, targeting Christian women & children. At least 67 dead,400 injured. I alone can solve. "What a vivid imagination." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. QUOTE Cruz spokesman Ron Nehring late Sunday tweeted that Trump's time might be better spent "reading rules" instead of sending "hate-tweets." ![]() Posted by Leisher on Mar. 28 2016,08:38
QUOTE They try, he doesn't listen. I don't think they do. I think it's probably them trying to strong arm him. I mean can you really imagine the current Republican leadership approaching Trump with kid gloves and ego stroking tactics, which is exactly how you handle a guy like him? I think they're too proud and stupid to do that. QUOTE I'd have a bit more respect if they found a way to deny it to him. I wouldn't. It would remind me that they so terribly botched this election and ignored this freight train until it was too late so they were forced to use the nuclear option. QUOTE As far as the people voting for him, they can go off and live in third party land and self-excise while the GOP keeps the brand instead of vice versa. The GOP brand is severely broken and was even before this election cycle. They can't afford to lose this many voters no matter how they feel about them. And honestly, your attitude about them is exactly the problem the Republican party has. You, and they, dismiss these people as morons, despite surveys and polls showing a lot of them are simply people who are sick and tired of the same candidates over and over and not being represented. I also don't think that gif applies. Tell Cruz to win some states and the nomination without backroom deals, then perhaps it fits. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 28 2016,08:42
I think everyone will be fine if Cruz wins because he knew the loopholes even though he wasn't the majority choice.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 28 2016,08:49
(GORDON @ Mar. 28 2016,11:42) QUOTE I think everyone will be fine if Cruz wins because he knew the loopholes even though he wasn't the majority choice. I laughed. Posted by Alhazad on Mar. 28 2016,10:00
Since they apparently don't have a chance to beat the Dem nominee no matter who it is, it would really be a good time to take a cycle off and decide what the party is going to stand for, then find electable candidates who represent those virtues and groom them for 2020.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 28 2016,10:20
QUOTE It would remind me that they so terribly botched this election and ignored this freight train until it was too late so they were forced to use the nuclear option. When the aliens overrun the predators, that shit is called for. QUOTE ...can you really imagine the current Republican leadership approaching Trump with kid gloves and ego stroking tactics, which is exactly how you handle a guy like him? They don't want him and they never will. They want his mojo, just in another candidate. He'll never be malleable or smooth enough. The party will always be wondering when the next scandal will hit and kill their reelection chances for the upcoming cycle. QUOTE You, and they, dismiss these people as morons, despite surveys and polls showing a lot of them are simply people who are sick and tired of the same candidates over and over and not being represented. Not mutually exclusive. I'll agree with them about the monotony of most politicians. Doesn't mean I think Trump is the, or even a, serious alternative. Posted by Vince on Mar. 28 2016,10:43
(GORDON @ Mar. 28 2016,10:42) QUOTE I think everyone will be fine if Cruz wins because he knew the loopholes even though he wasn't the majority choice. I wouldn't represent them as "loopholes". Cruz went in knowing the rules. That would be like calling a quarterback sneak to win a football game a "loophole". In an ordinary election I would agree with you that things would settle down after the convention if Cruz were to win by swinging delegates. But many Trump supporters are in some sort of weird emotional feedback loop. Whenever you start to break through to the logic side of their brain, they flare up with "yeah, but" and them start to cycle back to already discredited talking points. Cruz can't work with congress, but we're angry at the Republicans for rolling over for Obama on everything. Cruz can't work with congress because he called Mitch McConnel a liar. This from supporters of the candidate that calls Cruz "Lyin' Ted". Trump didn't file for personal bankruptcy, but rather used the existing rules to his favor by having his business file. However using the rules of the convention to swing votes to himself is Cruz cheating. Don't get me wrong. I have no love for the Republican party and they brought this on themselves. But Cruz is as much of a part of the "Republican establishment" as Bernie Sanders is. But back to your point, during a normal election the Republican base would be given a history lesson about how William Seward threatened to sue for having the election stolen from him. He entered the Republican convention with a plurality (though not a majority) of delegates and a pretty decent lead over his next closest competitor. But after the second vote the race got tighter and upon the third the party nod was given to ol' "Lyin' Lincoln". Yes, < the Republican convention of 1860 > almost went to someone other than Lincoln. While the primaries of today are much different, the underlying rules of delegates are the same. But this sort of thing doesn't happen often enough for people to remember what they might have once known about it. Plus, Trump is supposedly bringing in a bunch of people that never had an interest in politics before. So they will certainly be behind the curve of understanding how these can work. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 28 2016,10:53
QUOTE Yes, the Republican convention of 1860 almost went to someone other than Lincoln. He was a distant dark house candidate in that one. Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 28 2016,12:56
But Ted Cruz is no Abraham Lincoln.
Posted by Vince on Mar. 28 2016,13:18
Nah. He's more of a Calvin Coolidge I think.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 28 2016,13:48
(Vince @ Mar. 28 2016,15:18) QUOTE Nah. He's more of a Calvin Coolidge I think. I think Coolidge could count on one hand the number of times he felt anything in his entire life. Ted Cruz is far more vocal. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 28 2016,15:21
(Malcolm @ Mar. 28 2016,16:48) QUOTE I think Coolidge could count on one hand the number of times he felt anything in his entire life. Ted Cruz is far more vocal. Are you sleeping with each of the candidates? Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 28 2016,15:54
(TheCatt @ Mar. 28 2016,17:21) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Mar. 28 2016,16:48) QUOTE I think Coolidge could count on one hand the number of times he felt anything in his entire life. Ted Cruz is far more vocal. Are you sleeping with each of the candidates? I said vocal, not smart. Fucker's name was silent cal for a reason. Posted by Vince on Mar. 28 2016,16:32
I was thinking more along the lines of how they'd preside. I think Cal holds the record for vetoed legislation. If it wasn't a designated power of the Constitution he just vetoed it.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 29 2016,09:08
< Trump's > douchebag campaign manager charged with assault.
Posted by Vince on Mar. 30 2016,11:06
And then they hired him a lawyer that stepped down as a government prosecutor because he was accused of biting a stripper. At this point I think Trump's actually trying to throw this but his core group of voters just aren't picking up on it at this point.
Posted by Troy on Mar. 30 2016,13:51
(Vince @ Mar. 30 2016,14:06) QUOTE At this point I think Trump's actually trying to throw this but his core group of voters just aren't picking up on it at this point. Trump, who once supported abortion rights, now favors outlawing the procedure, which he called "a very serious problem," according to excerpts of an MSNBC town hall that is scheduled to air Wednesday evening. "There has to be some form of punishment," Trump said in the town hall. < From here > It's all just very confusing - you can't just alienate half of a voter base and assume it's going to go well at the general election. So very confusing, it really does seem like he's actively torpedoing support from everyone but the crazies on purpose. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 30 2016,14:07
Punishment? Go fuck yourself, Don. Well, honestly here ... how many Trumpers were pro-choice anyway? He's also talking about sending in troops to take out ISIS, which I'm sure wouldn't devolve into some nightmarish debacle on which we piss away billions of dollars. I assume he'll get to that after he closes the borders to all Muslims, builds a wall in between us and Mexico, and deports all the illegal aliens. I'm hoping more and more the pachyderms fuck him royally at the convention. Approximately this hard:![]() ![]() If so, I propose we start a #GarrisonTrump trend on twitter. Posted by Vince on Mar. 30 2016,14:14
Trump is already starting to unite our nation...QUOTE Ben Shapiro Retweeted
Kasie Hunt @kasie 43m43 minutes ago March for Life, Susan B. Anthony List both put out statements denouncing Donald Trump's abortion comments Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 30 2016,14:17
QUOTE March for Life, Susan B. Anthony List both put out statements denouncing... Shit that will never be true again. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 30 2016,17:34
QUOTE Anti-abortion groups said Trump's comments were at odds with their own stance. "In all the positions the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has taken around the issue of abortion, they have not called for punishment of women who've had abortions," said Don Clemmer, a spokesman for the group. After the backlash started, Trump's campaign sought to moderate his view. "This issue is unclear and should be put back into the states for determination," Trump said in a statement provided to Reuters by email. Later, Trump walked back his comments further to say doctors, not women, should be responsible. Yep, that went well. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 31 2016,11:19
< Trump, master > of military-political strategy.QUOTE The White House on Thursday slammed Donald Trump’s suggestion that Japan and South Korea obtain nuclear weapons for self defense as a “catastrophic” idea that would go counter to decades of U.S. foreign policy.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 31 2016,17:36
Those poor mentally ill children. ![]() < http://www.mediaite.com/online....halking > QUOTE A group of students at Emory University led a campus-wide protest after someone wrote ‘Donald Trump 2016’ in chalk across campus, leading the university to provide “emergency counseling” sessions in response. There's nothing more tragic than a sick child. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 31 2016,19:13
< Not entirely true >
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 31 2016,19:16
(TheCatt @ Mar. 31 2016,21:13) QUOTE < Not entirely true > Fox Sports made shit up and can't read? What a shock. Posted by Leisher on Mar. 31 2016,20:05
I swear I posted the original Emory article a few days ago...?Anyway, a few things here: 1. The original article didn't mention counseling and all the other things the Snopes report talks about. However, it still contained a lot of information about students being upset. Lots of quotes about the messages being racist. 2. The Snopes article focuses on the stuff the original didn't discuss. again, the counseling and whatnot. 3. Snopes is often accused of being left leaning. After reading the article Catt linked, I'd say it's more of an opinion piece, maybe even something worse. While it counters the exaggerated points of the original story (things that clearly were blown up to make the students seem worse), it actually confirms that students did protest due to the Trump chalk messages. It even ends with a statement that tries to explain the political protest as some sort of unbiased thing, yet clearly screams bias. 4. Before you hit me with the Snopes isn't left leaning link from their own site...read the writer's bio. She clearly addresses it there with a phony bio, which is hilarious considering she writes for a site that's supposed to be about facts, not bullshit. Long story short, the Emory thing happened. It didn't happen to the extent that stories like that get blown up to, which is what Snopes tries to brush away, but it did fucking happen. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 31 2016,20:12
You're claiming some oversensitive college students got upset and exercised their constitutionally protected rights to assemble and protest? God help us all. I'm predicting the next Trump gaffe:![]() ![]() Posted by Vince on Apr. 01 2016,05:56
< Emory Students Express Discontent With Administrative Response to Trump Chalkings >Article on this for what it's worth. QUOTE “I’m supposed to feel comfortable and safe [here],” one student said. “But this man is being supported by students on our campus and our administration shows that they, by their silence, support it as well … I don’t deserve to feel afraid at my school,” she added. To be honest though, I think that millennials get a bad rap. I think the ones that they keep pointing at and laughing are more of a minority to the group than the hippies were to their generation in the 60's. Latest polls show that millennials support Ted Cruz at a rate 14% higher than Hillary Clinton for 2016. But we'll see I guess. Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 01 2016,07:04
My experience has been that the safe-zone-cuddle-babies are indeed a small but loud minority. The sane and rational millennials are too busy getting on with their lives to stand around spouting bullshit to the press.
Posted by Vince on Apr. 01 2016,08:42
I'd agree with that TPR. Just looking at polling data from millennials, (Cruz and Sanders rank high while Trump and Clinton rank low) is that they value and are drawn towards authenticity. We may end up with an actual discussion in a decade or two with issues if we don't destroy everything before then.
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 01 2016,09:07
Whoa, now, I wouldn't go that far. This isn't anything new, you know. There's always been a mostly quiet majority that just keeps on going. But the loud crazies will always get more attention.
Posted by Vince on Apr. 01 2016,15:11
Heheh... Cruz rickrolled Trump (and everyone else)< link > Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 04 2016,10:15
< Can't believe it >.QUOTE President Barack Obama himself weighed in on the comments at a news conference on Friday, saying, "The person who made the statements doesn't know much about foreign policy or nuclear policy or the Korean Peninsula or the world generally." Trump said something stupid enough that I'm deferring to Obama's response. Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 04 2016,12:25
< Donnie > bitches about how unfair the campaign trail has been.QUOTE It’s very unfair, the 1,237. The reason it’s very unfair — and I think I’ll get there, I think I’ll get there! — but the reason it’s very unfair is the following:
When I started there were 17 candidates and people never says this — I’ve never even heard it said — those early states — nobody says it and it’s very unfair — but on a lot of those early… there were so many candidates that if you got 30% or 25%, you’d win and it would be an unbelievable victory. Honestly, Kasich should not be allowed to run and I’ll go opposite on you: he hurts Trump much more than he hurts Cruz. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 05 2016,07:13
< Wants to block fund transfers to Mexico. >He thinks this will force Mexico to fund his wall. (The wall being his worst idea out of many bad ideas.) The funny part is, if he blocked those funds, we might not need the wall... Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 05 2016,10:45
< Trump >: the douche who won't pay to license music at his rallies.QUOTE As Schrody noted sarcastically, "The smartest businessman in the world should know that you have to license this music if it makes an appearance on TV with you, and they're making appearances on TV — so you're a moron." The rest of his comments are decidedly less nice. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 05 2016,10:49
Rolling Stone, the MSNBC of music journalism. I hate this time of year when music artists grab headlines by denying anyone not left leaning from using their music for rallies. Could there be anything more pointless? Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 05 2016,10:56
(Leisher @ Apr. 05 2016,12:49) QUOTE Rolling Stone, the MSNBC of music journalism. I hate this time of year when music artists grab headlines by denying anyone not left leaning from using their music for rallies. Could there be anything more pointless? It's their intellectual property. If they don't want someone using it, they get to enforce that, especially if it could affect their bottom line. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 05 2016,11:12
(Malcolm @ Apr. 05 2016,13:56) QUOTE (Leisher @ Apr. 05 2016,12:49) QUOTE Rolling Stone, the MSNBC of music journalism. I hate this time of year when music artists grab headlines by denying anyone not left leaning from using their music for rallies. Could there be anything more pointless? It's their intellectual property. If they don't want someone using it, they get to enforce that, especially if it could affect their bottom line. I don't give a fuck. Why is it headline news? It's almost like someone uses these blurbs as ways to push their political agenda and/or beliefs... Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 05 2016,11:12
Hey, if someone is running for high office then perhaps they should learn to respect and follow the law, no?
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 05 2016,11:26
(TPRJones @ Apr. 05 2016,13:12) QUOTE Hey, if someone is running for high office then perhaps they should learn to respect and follow the law, no? The jokes almost write themselves. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 05 2016,11:47
(Malcolm @ Apr. 05 2016,14:26) QUOTE (TPRJones @ Apr. 05 2016,13:12) QUOTE Hey, if someone is running for high office then perhaps they should learn to respect and follow the law, no? The jokes almost write themselves. This would all be hilarious if it wasn't so true. I honestly think these stories are an excuse to bash a candidate without bashing him/her. If Hillary used "Cat Scratch Fever" and Ted Nugent bitched about it, I have a feeling that we'd hear a lot less about it than an irrelevant 90s rapper who doesn't want Trump using "Jump Around". I'm on record as saying every dog in this race is a massive turd and I think the U.S. loses no matter what, but that doesn't mean I stop seeing the bullshit that goes on during the campaign, and the "music act wants candidate to stop using music" is a massive pile of shit. Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 05 2016,12:20
Sure, but that pile of shit is not bigger than the "candidate uses music without permission because they don't think laws apply to them" pule of shit.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 05 2016,12:23
QUOTE I honestly think these stories are an excuse to bash a candidate without bashing him/her. Everlast goes to great lengths to bash Trump personally. I can't find anyone except desperate Republicans hardliners that are trying to hate on Trump without doing it explicitly and directly. QUOTE If Hillary used "Cat Scratch Fever" and Ted Nugent bitched about it... Right. That's as likely as Cruz breaking out some Culture Club songs during his appearances. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 05 2016,12:37
QUOTE Sure, but that pile of shit is not bigger than the "candidate uses music without permission because they don't think laws apply to them" pule of shit. To be fair, I don't think any of the candidates pick the music, nor do I think any of the candidates actually believe laws apply to them. QUOTE I can't find anyone except desperate Republicans hardliners that are trying to hate on Trump without doing it explicitly and directly. Oh please. That's all the MSM does towards Republicans. That was proven time and time again during Obama's campaigns as non-partisan media watchdogs would run numbers showing negative articles about Obama were far less numerous than negative articles about his opponents. I give less than a fuck about some famous musician's politics. If you're truly having your vote swayed because Debbie Gibson leans right, then you should not be voting. Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 05 2016,12:46
This isn't about Everlast's politics. It's about Trump not paying to use his shit or gaining permission to do so.QUOTE That's all the MSM does towards Republicans. That seems to be quite direct bashing. They name names and places. QUOTE If you're truly having your vote swayed because Debbie Gibson leans right, then you should not be voting. But having it swayed by the leader of your local Sierra Group or NRA chapter is cool... Posted by Leisher on Apr. 05 2016,13:05
QUOTE This isn't about Everlast's politics. It's about Trump not paying to use his shit or gaining permission to do so. Wrong. It's about Trump's campaign managers not securing the music and I would bet you anything that Dems do the same shit, yet don't get nailed for it because it's not seen as "evil" to let them use your songs. QUOTE That seems to be quite direct bashing. They name names and places. I don't get what you're saying here. Are you agreeing? Are you saying it's ok that the MSM is biased because they don't disguise it? Because you'd be wrong on both points. There's a reason Republican is a bad word. There's a reason FOX News has a bad reputation. It's not all because of their mistakes or policies, but also because of a very well run smear campaign. QUOTE But having it swayed by the leader of your local Sierra Group or NRA chapter is cool... Who brought those up? Although, those groups have to buy commercial time, which is a LOT different than getting space during a show and disguising their political agenda as news. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 05 2016,13:24
(TPRJones @ Apr. 05 2016,14:12) QUOTE Hey, if someone is running for high office then perhaps they should learn to respect and follow the law, no? Why start now? Leisher's right, and only one side gets nitpicked that way. Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 05 2016,13:56
QUOTE Dems do the same shit, yet don't get nailed for it because it's not seen as "evil" to let them use your songs. The artists can do whatever the fuck they want with their songs. If they want to give it away for free, they can. If they want to be dicks, they can stick it to you as the letter of the law allows ... that's Trump's default attitude towards pretty much anyone. I can't count the number of people he's sued in his time. QUOTE Who brought those up? Although, those groups have to buy commercial time... Like voting the way your favourite musician does is so much worse than your favourite PAC talking head. QUOTE Leisher's right, and only one side gets nitpicked that way. As we've been over before, and as others on this board have pointed out, the Repubs have no one but themselves to blame for their shitty, shitty PR. Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 11 2016,10:16
< Pachyderms still trying to find > an alternative to the Dumpy Don.QUOTE Speaking to thousands in western New York, Trump argued anew that the person who wins the most votes in the primary process should be the GOP nominee.
"What they're trying to do is subvert the movement with crooked shenanigans," Trump said. ... Despite the complaints, Cruz came out ahead in Colorado after dedicating resources to the convention process and putting in personal face time on the day of the final vote, something Trump did not do. On Twitter, the Colorado GOP retweeted a message, saying: “You may not like CO's caucus system, but it's representative, and claiming delegates were 'stolen' insults the Republicans who participated.” Cruz spokeswoman Catherine Frazier also retweeted a message saying the rules “were publicly available for months to people who know how to read and understand words.” Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 11 2016,12:47
< Trump says he knows > more about interrogation techniques than the CIA director.QUOTE “And you know we’re playing on different fields,’ he continued. “And we have a huge problem with ISIS, which we can’t beat, and the reason we can’t beat them is we won’t use strong tactics, whether it’s this or other things.” You have to be shitting me. |