Topic: Memphis
started by: GORDON
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 05 2014,18:43
Woke up in Kentucky. Did a tour at Mammoth Cave tour first thing, and drove to the Shiloh Battlefield to see where my ancestors kicked Yankee ass. Continued on to Memphis in time for a late dinner.The Porkapolypse has begun.
Tonight was pulled pork shoulder, BBQ baked beans, hush puppies. Had a restaurant microbrew followed by sweet tea. Will be "hooking up" with Vince tomorrow.
Posted by Vince on Aug. 06 2014,06:59
Mmm... BBQ
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 06 2014,07:29
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Did a tour at Mammoth Cave tour first thing,
Your wife posted on FB that you guys were heading there. I wanted to respond, "So that's how he plans to do it", but I didn't know if anyone besides you would think that to be funny.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 06 2014,08:25
I got that reference.When she did the Facebook status update that we were all at mammoth cave, I actually typed out, "second biggest hole I've ever been in." Decided that was too crude even for me. :-)
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 06 2014,08:28
(GORDON @ Aug. 06 2014,10:25)
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When she did the Facebook status update that we were all at mammoth cave, I actually typed out, "second biggest hole I've ever been in."
You've been to Cleveland or Detroit?
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 06 2014,08:38
I know Cleveland's from Family Guy, but who's Detroit?
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 06 2014,08:39
(TPRJones @ Aug. 06 2014,10:38)
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I know Cleveland's from Family Guy, but who's Detroit?
He's a doctor.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 06 2014,09:07
"Mother, I am going to rip off your head and shit down your neck."
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 06 2014,09:09
Wow, I'd forgotten about that one. Good movie.That might have been Dan's best work.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 06 2014,18:47
Tonight was dinner with Vince and his #2 choice for life partner (hetero [probably]).Pulled pork shoulder, pork ribs, beef brisket, and beans that had more pork in them. Had a coke with pork. For dessert this amazingly good fried coconut pie.
Posted by Vince on Aug. 06 2014,18:50
I don't think I can move after that. May have to just put on a diaper.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 06 2014,19:08
I feel kinda uncomfortable. Like I did something wrong.
Posted by Paul on Aug. 07 2014,15:34
(GORDON @ Aug. 05 2014,21:43)
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Woke up in Kentucky. Did a tour at Mammoth Cave tour first thing
I flew into KY a little less than a year ago. Cool state.
Mammoth Cave is okay. You have to walk around a few dams, but I can technically kayak Mammoth Cave National park from the river a mile from my house.
I have no idea how many days it'd take though.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 07 2014,19:34
Tonight was pulled pork, beans with pork, slaw, coconut cake, sweet tea, at my fave BBQ place in town that only locals know about. We pull up and my kid says, " You brought us to eat... At a shack?"
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 08 2014,06:56
Yesterday I finally stopped by the BBQ Bus that's been parked in the parking lot of the Food Town across the street for the past couple of weeks. It was the best most tender and smokey brisket I've ever had in my life, and the links were almost as phenomenal. I had to close my office door and have some alone time with that brisket. Then I had to take a nap after.Their sauce is awful, but that's okay. That meat didn't need any sauce anyway. It's absolutely perfect naked.
I'm going to stop by on the way home today and get a couple of pounds of it for the weekend.
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 08 2014,07:05
(TPRJones @ Aug. 08 2014,09:56)
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Yesterday I finally stopped by the BBQ Bus that's been parked in the parking lot of the Food Town across the street for the past couple of weeks. It was the best most tender and smokey brisket I've ever had in my life, and the links were almost as phenomenal.
Weird that the BBQ Bus didn't have BBQ.
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 08 2014,07:07
Is this really a fight you'd like to start up again? I was trying to behave in GORDON's Memphis thread, but I'm not afraid to take up the torch of truth and justice and BBQ.
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 08 2014,07:38
(TPRJones @ Aug. 08 2014,10:07)
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Is this really a fight you'd like to start up again? I was trying to behave in GORDON's Memphis thread, but I'm not afraid to take up the torch of truth and justice and BBQ.
You'd have to learn what BBQ is first.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 08 2014,07:49
Get a room.
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 08 2014,07:57
I know you yankees have different meaning for some words, but real southern BBQ is all about the brisket. Pork is for breakfast sausage.It's not something someone from north of the 30th parallel is equipped to understand.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 08 2014,07:59
Yeah a PORK room.The brisket the other night was pretty good... But one bite would taste like thinly sliced steak with sauce, and the next would taste like thinly sliced roast beef with sauce, depending on the distribution of marbling and charring. Pork = BBQ.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 08 2014,08:08
I know people in KC that might shoot you for saying that.
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 08 2014,08:10
All because y'all don't know how to cook a good brisket - the fact that it could possibly taste anything like either steak or roast beef is a clear indication that it is being done tragically wrong - doesn't mean you get to just go changing the meaning of words all willy nilly to compensate for that shortcoming.Brisket = BBQ.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 08 2014,08:11
Who cares, with their limp wrists they can't shoot straight anyway.
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 08 2014,08:15
I mean seriously, good but tasted like steak/roast beef? That'd be like me telling you that the pulled pork I had was pretty good but one bite tasted like a shredded pork chop and the next tasted like ham.It sounds to me like we do better pulled pork than y'all do brisket. This would certainly explain why y'all get so confused about what BBQ is.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 08 2014,08:17
It's hilarious watching everyone get annoyed by this.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 08 2014,08:22
I'm not annoyed, I was deliberately instigating.He beats his fists against the spork
And still insists that beef is pork.
Posted by Vince on Aug. 08 2014,08:22
(TPRJones @ Aug. 08 2014,09:57)
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I know you yankees have different meaning for some words, but real southern BBQ is all about the brisket. Pork is for breakfast sausage.
It's not something someone from north of the 30th parallel is equipped to understand.
It's not something someone from north of the 30th parallel is equipped to understand.
Yeah, that's why they call it brisket instead of BBQ?
TPR also has a cat that he calls a dog and says that you don't know what a dog is even though he still says his dog is a cat.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 08 2014,08:24
< Everyone's wrong >.QUOTE
Traditional barbacoa involves digging a hole in the ground and placing some meat (usually a whole goat) with a pot underneath it, so that the juices can make a hearty broth. It is then covered with maguey leaves and coal and set alight. The cooking process takes a few hours. Olaudah Equiano, an African abolitionist, described this method of roasting alligators among the Mosquito People (Miskito people) on his journeys to Cabo Gracias a Dios in his narrative, The Interesting Narrative of the Life of Olaudah Equiano.
Original BBQ: goat or alligator. The rest are posers.
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 08 2014,08:26
Oh, I'm not frustrated. I'm sad for y'all.To go through life not knowing the true joy of proper BBQ. That's really depressing.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 08 2014,08:32
There's actually no pork in the plan today.... The wife is rising up against me. I may have to find a late night sandwich, somewhere. A day without barbecue in Memphis is like a lifetime of epicurean... Something... Ignorance in Texas. Whatever. My heart isn't really into picking on tpr too hard because I like him.
Posted by Vince on Aug. 08 2014,08:38
I like him too. And I'll agree that I enjoyed the brisket the other night with my BBQ.
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 08 2014,08:39
How ironic. Down here the pulled pork is the lady food, because sometimes they can't handle brisket. Regardless, I think we can at least all agree that ribs are good, but they're just too flashy to be at the core of the definition of BBQ. Yes?
Posted by Vince on Aug. 08 2014,08:49
Yes, as much as the Stradivarius can't be considered at the core of the definition of violin ;-)
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 08 2014,08:51
Oh, geez. I give up.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 08 2014,08:55
You can see how shallow is his actual devotion to cow as barbecue.
Posted by Vince on Aug. 08 2014,09:02
TPR, don't get me wrong. Corky's here serves beef BBQ. That's what the Jews here eat.
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 08 2014,09:09
Trust me, if it tastes even remotely like steak or roast beef then it isn't being done properly.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 08 2014,09:49
So.... They make the cow not taste like cow?
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 08 2014,09:55
So pulled pork should taste like ham?
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 08 2014,09:56
(TPRJones @ Aug. 08 2014,11:10)
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All because y'all don't know how to cook a good brisket - the fact that it could possibly taste anything like either steak or roast beef is a clear indication that it is being done tragically wrong
The problem with brisket is that is tastes nothing like steak. It's a perfect ruining of beef. It's god awful.
Eat mo pig.
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 08 2014,09:57
(TPRJones @ Aug. 08 2014,11:39)
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Regardless, I think we can at least all agree that ribs are good, but they're just too flashy to be at the core of the definition of BBQ. Yes?
I dunno, cuz once you start talking ribs we have to talk wet versus dry...
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 08 2014,10:13
(TheCatt @ Aug. 08 2014,11:56)
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The problem with brisket is that is tastes nothing like steak. It's a perfect ruining of beef. It's god awful.
Well now I know you're just trolling. There's no way that's a serious opinion.
Based on what I've seen here, you just haven't had a properly prepared brisket. If it was cooked less then 12 hours and doesn't melt in your mouth like cotton candy then it just wasn't done right.
Posted by Vince on Aug. 08 2014,10:32
(TPRJones @ Aug. 08 2014,12:13)
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Based on what I've seen here, you just haven't had a properly prepared brisket. If it was cooked less then 12 hours and doesn't melt in your mouth like cotton candy then it just wasn't done right.
Wow! Here they wouldn't waste all that slow cooked grill time on beef when you could be using it on pork shoulder or ribs.
Seriously though, I wonder how much of the Texas view on BBQ is because they raise a lot of beef and wild hogs are vermin?
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 08 2014,12:10
I stand corrected on one point. I picked up two pounds of brisket on the way home for the weekend and asked, and he cooks his for only 9 1/2 to 10 hours most days. He makes the best I've ever had, so I guess it can be done in less than 12.He also does a pork shoulder alongside, but that he pulls and puts in the baked beans (which are also phenomenally good). Few people around here were interested in his pulled pork - no matter how good - when there was such good brisket to be had.
His ribs and chicken are also absurdly tender fall-off-the-bone, but not quite as tasty.
I think I'm in love.
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Here they wouldn't waste all that slow cooked grill time on beef...
And there's the problem. You just haven't had good brisket.
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...and wild hogs are vermin?
Wild hogs are tasty. As sausage. Ideally 1/2 wild hog and 1/2 venison. Although the best I ever had also had about 5% squirrel in there as well.
Honestly, thought, I think BBQ is a lot like religion. Whatever you grew up with is the right and true thing, and conversions are rare. I will admit that pulled pork can be almost as good as a good brisket. But I'll always prefer the brisket, because it'll always be better.
Posted by Vince on Aug. 08 2014,12:56
(TPRJones @ Aug. 08 2014,14:10)
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Honestly, thought, I think BBQ is a lot like religion. Whatever you grew up with is the right and true thing, and conversions are rare. I will admit that pulled pork can be almost as good as a good brisket. But I'll always prefer the brisket, because it'll always be better.
In many cases I'd agree, though I have seen a couple of converts. Or one and a half. Gordo can speak to his experience. Not sure if he was a true "convert" as I don't know if he had a preference before he got here. But I did have a manager from KC that ended up a bigger fan of Memphis BBQ than what they had up there.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 08 2014,14:25
When I interviewed at our former employer in Memphis in 1999 they suggested barbecue for lunch. I said, "barbecued what?"They hired me anyway.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 08 2014,19:40
No barbecue today...sigh. I wonder if anyplace is open at 8am when I will be heading to Arkansas.
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 10 2014,10:06
Still just as tender after reheating in the microwave. Flats dry out a tiny bit but not too much. Points come out absolutely perfect. So for future reference, if you'll be reheating your brisket request cuts from the point.