Topic: Blue on Blue in LA
started by: thibodeaux
Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 07 2013,17:45
< http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013....01.html >Apparently an ex-cop is going around shooting cops and relatives of cops. So the cops fight back by...shooting random people.
WTF, man.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 07 2013,17:51
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Officers from the Los Angeles and Torrance police departments engaged in two separate shootings Thursday morning in Torrance, Calif., reports KTLA. They had come across two different vehicles that were similar to the description of Dorner's getaway car, a gray 2005 Nissan Titan pickup.
Well shit, how were they supposed to know they made more than one of those? I'm also sure they were just trying to control the situation, by shooting at people guilty of the heinous crime of being similar to the dude the cops were looking for. Maybe L.A. will change its name to Keystone to fit with its police.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 07 2013,18:14
So... apparently the rampage cop hasn't killed the correct cops still on the payroll, yet.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 07 2013,18:35
I get the feeling he's going out in a blaze of glory. Shit ain't over yet.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 08 2013,05:07
Obviously he will never see the inside of a courtroom, even if he wanted to.
Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 08 2013,06:34
Some places like LA don't really have police anymore, it's just that some of the gangs are wearing uniforms and some aren't.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 13 2013,10:23
< Cop killer killed >. A fire somehow started during a shootout. Either Michael bay rewrote physics or "police tossing smoke grenades" really means "police chucking incendiary devices."
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2013,10:29
So what's the final LAPD bodycount while hunting this guy?
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 13 2013,10:41
Don't know. But only the article thib linked mentioned anything about the cops going all trigger happy on anyone that so much as drove a similar make/model of car. I find it hard to have any sympathy whatsoever for those involved in this scenario.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 13 2013,11:14
We are definitely not being told the whole story. Guy is a vet and cop. Loses his job. Goes nuts and declares war on cops. Starts by killing his lawyer's kid? Then kills cops who have nothing to do with his firing?
None of it makes sense.
I think even the MSN is confused. Notice they used an adult picture of him smiling? If they thought he was innocent, they would've published a picture of him as a kid, maybe opening Christmas presents. If they thought he was guilty, he wouldn't be smiling...or he'd be white.
Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 13 2013,11:28
(Malcolm @ Feb. 13 2013,13:23)
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< Cop killer killed >. A fire somehow started during a shootout. Either Michael bay rewrote physics or "police tossing smoke grenades" really means "police chucking incendiary devices."
Assuming it's even really him.
By the way, police-tossed grenades often DO start fires. At least, I know I've read of several instances where flash-bangs used during "dynamic entries" set the house on fire.
And as for tear gas canisters causing fires...well, we've all heard of Waco, but maybe you've also heard of the < SLA >.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 13 2013,11:31
So, they're smoke grenades, but only by virtue of the fact they've got a high chance of setting shit on fire and thereby cause the smoke? I'm also fairly certain Waco involved the FBI driving up armoured vehicles to the compound and blasting it with flamethrowers.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2013,11:32
Smoke and CS gas grenades got pretty damned hot. It's a chemical reaction that releases heat and the gas/particulate. COULD start a fire in a cabin.... but... conditions would have to be just right.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 13 2013,11:44
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I'm also fairly certain Waco involved the FBI driving up armoured vehicles to the compound and blasting it with flamethrowers.
Uh...what?
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2013,11:45
Yeah, I don't think that's right. I think I remember their motorized battering rams cut the natural gas lines, then they got ignited.At any rate, I don't think there were flame throwers.
You've got me defending the ATF. Grrr.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 13 2013,12:00
(Leisher @ Feb. 13 2013,13:44)
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I'm also fairly certain Waco involved the FBI driving up armoured vehicles to the compound and blasting it with flamethrowers.
Uh...what?
< http://www.vtxoa.com/forums....hrowers >
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywDAUzkHybU >
Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 13 2013,12:08
Well, I mean it's not inconceivable.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2013,12:12
(Malcolm @ Feb. 13 2013,15:00)
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(Leisher @ Feb. 13 2013,13:44)
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I'm also fairly certain Waco involved the FBI driving up armoured vehicles to the compound and blasting it with flamethrowers.
Uh...what?
< http://www.vtxoa.com/forums....hrowers >
1. The youtube footage at that link is too fuzzy to make out anything.
2. One argument FOR flame throwers would be... Clinton was in office, therefore the media was covering for the democrat.
I remember congressional hearings with Janet Reno, though. Seems like it would have come out then.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 13 2013,12:23
Seems like a chemical analysis of the site could have confirmed or denied that. That window of time has passed, though.QUOTE
I remember congressional hearings with Janet Reno, though. Seems like it would have come out then.
You mean the gentle slap on the wrist they got for one of the most incompetently run operations in the history of law enforcement? Fuck the legal system in this country and everyone involved in it from the prez to Congress to the Attorney General on down.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 13 2013,12:38
From wikipedia:QUOTE
Attorney General Reno had specifically directed that no pyrotechnic devices be used in the assault. Between 1993 and 1999, FBI spokesmen denied (even under oath) the use of any sort of pyrotechnic devices during the assault; however, pyrotechnic Flite-Rite CS gas grenades had been found in the rubble immediately following the fire. In 1999, FBI spokesmen were forced to admit that they had used the grenades, however they claimed that these devices, which dispense CS gas through an internal burning process, had been used during an early morning attempt to penetrate a covered, water-filled construction pit 40 yards away, and were not fired into the building itself. According to FBI claims, the fires started approximately three hours after the grenades had been fired. When the FBI's documents were turned over to Congress for an investigation in 1994, the page listing the use of the pyrotechnic devices was missing. The failure for six years to disclose the use of pyrotechnics despite her specific directive led Reno to demand an investigation. A senior FBI official told Newsweek that as many as 100 FBI agents had known about the use of pyrotechnics, but no one spoke up until 1999. On May 12, less than a month after the incident, Texas state authorities bulldozed the site, rendering further gathering of forensic evidence impossible.
1) gov't says they won't use pyro devices
2) gov't uses pyro devices
3) gov't denies use
4) gov't destroys means to get further evidence to expose their fucking lies
Fuck them all. Had they been up front about having them beforehand, I'd be more inclined to believe them about the usage.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2013,12:42
I think I remember that argument... they were calling gas grenades "pyrotechnic devices" because they get hot. I'm not sure if I agree with that definition.At any rate, a gas grenade that gets hot <> a flame thrower.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 13 2013,13:00
Enough heat causes combustion. Also never said the grenades kicked the fire. I'm saying if they're lying in this instance, and they've been caught lying in other instances (shit, does the gov't ever not lie), and they've done a fine job of eliminating any possibility of forensic confirmation or rebuttal, I'm inclined to believe they're lying in this one.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 14 2013,10:07
< Manifesto of crazy >.QUOTE
Now that I had confirmed it, I told XXXX not to use that word again. I explained that it was a well-known offensive word that should not be used by anyone. He replied, “I’ll say it when I want”.
Officer XXXX, a friend of his, also stated that he would say nigger when he wanted. At that point I jumped over my front passenger seat and two other officers where I placed my hands around XXXXs’ neck and squeezed. I stated to XXXX, “Don’t fucking say that”. At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer XXXX’s skull. The Situation would have been resolved effective, immediately.
Officer XXXX, a friend of his, also stated that he would say nigger when he wanted. At that point I jumped over my front passenger seat and two other officers where I placed my hands around XXXXs’ neck and squeezed. I stated to XXXX, “Don’t fucking say that”. At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer XXXX’s skull. The Situation would have been resolved effective, immediately.
Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 14 2013,10:23
A gas grenade is a pyrotechnic device in almost exactly the same way that an iPhone battery is a pyrotechnic device, give or take a few degrees Fahrenheit.
Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 15 2013,06:02
< Could be worse >:QUOTE
November car chase ended in a "full blown-out" firefight, with glass and bullets flying, according to Cleveland police officers who described for investigators the chaotic scene at the end of the deadly 25-minute pursuit.
But when the smoky haze -- caused by rapid fire of nearly 140 bullets in less than 30 seconds -- dissipated, it soon became clear that more than a dozen officers had been firing at one another across a middle school parking lot in East Cleveland.
But when the smoky haze -- caused by rapid fire of nearly 140 bullets in less than 30 seconds -- dissipated, it soon became clear that more than a dozen officers had been firing at one another across a middle school parking lot in East Cleveland.
It must have been pretty scary....
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"I've never been more afraid in my life," said Officer Michael Brelo, who fired 49 shots that night. "I thought my partner and I were being shot and that we were going to be killed."
Brelo, according to his account, climbed onto the trunk and then the top of a zone car and reloaded his gun, firing rounds into the Malibu. An Iraq war veteran, Brelo said he saw "the suspects moving and I could not understand why they are still moving, shooting at us. Even through Iraq, I never fired my weapon. I never have been so afraid in my life."
Brelo, according to his account, climbed onto the trunk and then the top of a zone car and reloaded his gun, firing rounds into the Malibu. An Iraq war veteran, Brelo said he saw "the suspects moving and I could not understand why they are still moving, shooting at us. Even through Iraq, I never fired my weapon. I never have been so afraid in my life."
But the perps had no gun...
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Though investigators never located a gun, they could not rule out the possibility that the suspects had one at some point during the chase before entering the parking lot.
Investigators searched for evidence that a gun was tossed from the car, even using the Sheriff's Office Dive Team to search some waterways along the chase route.
Investigators searched for evidence that a gun was tossed from the car, even using the Sheriff's Office Dive Team to search some waterways along the chase route.
Maybe they pointed their fingers and went "pew pew."
Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 15 2013,06:32
Well, you know what they say: guns don't kill people, cops kill people.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 15 2013,07:26
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"I've never been more afraid in my life," said Officer Michael Brelo, who fired 49 shots that night.
Goddamn. Were you shooting a Thompson submachine gun? How many reloads do you need?
Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 15 2013,08:09
I wonder if they've consider hiring men to be cops instead of scared little children?Would probably be safer for everyone.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 15 2013,08:21
You'll also notice that Mr. Brelo, from thib's quote, QUOTE
An Iraq war veteran, Brelo said...
Ah, so the army taught him to shoot.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 18 2013,07:03
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 24 2013,10:21
(Malcolm @ Feb. 07 2013,19:51)
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Officers from the Los Angeles and Torrance police departments engaged in two separate shootings Thursday morning in Torrance, Calif., reports KTLA. They had come across two different vehicles that were similar to the description of Dorner's getaway car, a gray 2005 Nissan Titan pickup.
Well shit, how were they supposed to know they made more than one of those? I'm also sure they were just trying to control the situation, by shooting at people guilty of the heinous crime of being similar to the dude the cops were looking for. Maybe L.A. will change its name to Keystone to fit with its police.
< LA cops pay $4.2M to people they "mistakenly" opened fire on >. Because over 100 bullet holes in your car is just an honest mistake. It's certainly not powertripping assholes taking a manhunt personally. Damn, I wonder what that $4.2M might have been used for if LAs "finest" could've kept their shit together.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 24 2013,10:35
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Damn, I wonder what that $4.2M might have been used for if LAs "finest" could've kept their shit together.
Welfare, illegal immigrants, etc.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 24 2013,11:21
(Leisher @ Apr. 24 2013,12:35)
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Damn, I wonder what that $4.2M might have been used for if LAs "finest" could've kept their shit together.
Welfare, illegal immigrants, etc.
It sure as shit ain't going to the police academies.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 24 2013,11:45
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It sure as shit ain't going to the police academies.
Or anything else taxpayers actually need.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 24 2013,12:23
It's all make believe money anyway.