Forum: General Stuff
Topic: The second Obama term
started by: GORDON

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 07 2012,20:53
Film maker gets a year in jail.

< http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news....on?lite >

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A California man who was behind an anti-Muslim film that spurred violent protests in the Middle East was sentenced on Wednesday to one year in prison for violating the terms of his probation stemming from a 2010 bank fraud conviction.


No one told NBC they could stop running interference for him.  They are still going with the "the movie caused it" story.

I guess the guy is lucky he didn't get thrown in Gitmo.

Hail Obama.

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 07 2012,21:32
Well, he did pretty much piss all over his probation agreement.  He was originally convicted of fraudulently swindling film investors while using an alias, so when he gets caught violating his probation by using an alias and taking film investments again, what do you think should happen?

Even if there were no political reasons to prosecute the guy, they still would have prosecuted the guy.  Should they have let him go just because it would look bad if they prosecuted him?  Sure the nature of the film and the fuss about it is very likely what brought it to the attention of his parole officer, but that's not the same thing as going after him for political reasons.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 08 2012,04:23
It doesn't matter any more.  Watch your ass or get thrown in jail.


Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 08 2012,07:32
He broke his parole.  He has a fake driver's license and a history of being a douchebag.  Fuck him.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 08 2012,08:17
And a movie sparked riots across the middle east.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 08 2012,09:35

(GORDON @ Nov. 08 2012,10:17)
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And a movie sparked riots across the middle east.

He didn't get jailed for that.  He got publicly and socially ostracized.  Freedom of speech != freedom from criticism for being a dumbass.  Philosophical ideals of the Enlightenment pale in comparison to the tried and true axiom of, "If you're going to talk shit, expect pain."
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 08 2012,10:05
Completely missing my point.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 08 2012,14:57
Economy heading into second recession.  Good info to have on November 8.

< http://www.cnbc.com/id/49745604 >

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 08 2012,14:59
Iran fired on an unmanned drone on November 1.

Good info to have on November 8.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....on-says >

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 08 2012,15:10
Incumbency has inherent advantages.
Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 08 2012,16:49
America puts government in D, right off the fiscal cliff.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 08 2012,16:57
I was planning on unblocking peeps on Facebook, but I had a change of heart and axed them instead.  My world view has shifted, I no longer think people are generally good, and I no longer want that bullshit in my sphere of consciousness.  

Unfortunately, this means I am divorcing most of my extended family... but I honestly don't want my 7 year old hanging around his 12 year old cousins who have extremely strong opinions about birth control and the republican "War on Women."



Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 08 2012,17:15

(GORDON @ Nov. 08 2012,18:57)
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My world view has shifted, I no longer think people are generally good...

Welcome to the fold.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,06:34
The conservatives are floundering to "reinvent themselves" after peeps are staring to realize the moochers outnumber the producers.

I think they humorous new sound byte should be, "Free Candy is not a sound economic policy."  Spread the word.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 09 2012,06:41
Is there anyone in the world who thinks they'll reinvent themselves correctly?
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,07:32

(Leisher @ Nov. 09 2012,08:41)
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Is there anyone in the world who thinks they'll reinvent themselves correctly?

They do.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,08:17
They'll keep the religious bullshit.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,08:26

(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,10:17)
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They'll keep the religious bullshit.

Which is one of the major things burying them in my mind.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,08:30

(Malcolm @ Nov. 09 2012,11:26)
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(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,10:17)
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They'll keep the religious bullshit.

Which is one of the major things burying them in my mind.

You know, I think it was the disinformation that killed Romney.  I have never seen anything that suggested he was not truly a good man, business decisions notwithstanding.  In fact, there is a lot of evidence that suggests he was actually a VERY good man, and had a good head for business, as well.

What did people vote with?  A republican "war on women" that had people hoarding tampons and birth control pills.

People didn't vote the facts, they voted in response to an organized propaganda campaign.  It was brilliance in its simplicity: Lie while simultaneously accuse the other side of lying.  What can one do except go on the defensive?    I tried countering some of the "romney lies" with actual facts, and not only was I ignored and told to be silent, but I was flippantly told, "People believe what they want to believe.." meaning they just discounted my actual citations as lies.

Nothing can beat that, short of a bullet.  Free candy and organized propaganda are always going to win, from now on.

Hey, remember when romney killed that guy's wife?



Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 09 2012,08:33
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And overall Obama still lost white women. The president captured only 42 percent of the white women's vote, Romney captured 56 percent of it. So, white women actually were an area of strength for Romney.

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If you were to list gender and racial/ethnic groups by their Democratic vote on Tuesday, the list would go like this: black women (96 percent), black men (87 percent), Hispanic women (76 percent), Hispanic men (65 percent), white women (42 percent) and white men (35 percent).

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 09 2012,08:34
White people aren't voting for Obama: racist
Minorities aren't voting for Romney: Well, duh, that's just following their interests

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 09 2012,08:34
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The "marriage gap" was also more important than gender in determining votes in 2012, according to the exit polls. Obama won voters who were not married by 20 percentage points. There was a gender gap here—Obama won 67 percent of unmarried women and 56 percent of unmarried men—but he won single women and men.

Romney won married voters of both genders. He won 53 percent of married women.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,08:38
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People didn't vote the facts, they voted in response to an organized propaganda campaign.  It was brilliance in its simplicity: Lie while simultaneously accuse the other side of lying.

Were you just introduced to the American political system or something?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,08:40

(Malcolm @ Nov. 09 2012,11:38)
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People didn't vote the facts, they voted in response to an organized propaganda campaign.  It was brilliance in its simplicity: Lie while simultaneously accuse the other side of lying.

Were you just introduced to the American political system or something?

I recently stopped believing that people are basically good, and I am seeing things much more clearly, now.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,08:44
< Everything you need to know about being a bastard (successful politician) >.
< Everything you need to know about backing up being a bastard with effective conflict resolution >.

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 09 2012,09:10

(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,10:40)
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I recently stopped believing that people are basically good, and I am seeing things much more clearly, now.

If it helps at all, none of this is new nor in any way "worse than ever before" or other hyperbolic nonsense.  Presidential politics has been a horrible mess ever since Jefferson accused Adams of being a hermaphrodite.  And at least no one has been shot on the floor of Congress lately.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,09:11

(TPRJones @ Nov. 09 2012,12:10)
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And at least no one has been shot on the floor of Congress lately.

You say that like it is a bad thing.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,09:17

(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,11:11)
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(TPRJones @ Nov. 09 2012,12:10)
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And at least no one has been shot on the floor of Congress lately.

You say that like it is a bad thing.

Goddamn you for beating me to that punch.
Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 09 2012,09:27
Oh, no, I'm all in favor of Congressperson on Congressperson violence.  But then I'm also in favor of all the rest of the horribleness they do to each other.  Better to have it be openly obvious how awful they all are instead of encouraging them to hide it.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,09:31
I guess I am now the new Macolm Jr.

And I disagree that "things aren't any worse than they used to be."  I think we are heading for massive instability when the economy crashes.  Prior to the New Deal we had much more frequent recessions, but now.... people seem to really hate each other.  The TSA controls our movements as it forces us to submit at gunpoint to humiliation on the whim of a unionized high school dropout, civilian police are beginning to resemble military special ops hit squads, the government takes our pictures on the streets, unmanned drones are taking to American airspace to keep an eye on us, it is illegal to photograph police as they put their boots on our neck, and "probable cause" gives the government the right to invade our homes whenever it likes, and frequently does.  It could be just my new, darker, more realist mindset, but no empire lasts forever, and the next lit fuse can always be the one that sets off the powder keg.

Hey but at least we can stop hoarding birth control because that is the important thing.



Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,09:56
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It could be just my new, darker, more realist mindset, but no empire lasts forever, and the next lit fuse can always be the one that sets off the powder keg.

The fuse tends to be very long and slow burning.  It needs at least a few decades.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,10:05

(Malcolm @ Nov. 09 2012,12:56)
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It could be just my new, darker, more realist mindset, but no empire lasts forever, and the next lit fuse can always be the one that sets off the powder keg.

The fuse tends to be very long and slow burning.  It needs at least a few decades.

I'd say it was lit in November, 2000.
Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 09 2012,10:12
Oh, well yeah, we are more of a police state than ever before.  I was specifically referring to the partisan hatred.  That's not new, and still not yet as bad as it was in the 1800s.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,10:12
And now it is time to decline the Thanksgiving Dinner invitation on Facebook.  Sigh.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,10:15

(TPRJones @ Nov. 09 2012,13:12)
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Oh, well yeah, we are more of a police state than ever before.  I was specifically referring to the partisan hatred.  That's not new, and still not yet as bad as it was in the 1800s.

In the 1800's the partisan hatred was limited to the idiots in Congress and whoever happened to be within the sound of your voice when you were standing in your tobacco field with your nearest neighbor 2 miles away.  And you only heard about the bullshit in congress 3 weeks after the fact when the news finally got to you.  Now, everyone talks to the entire world 24 hours a day, and the pressure cooker is boiling harder than it was possible in the past.  I don't see any release valve.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,10:22
The good news is that when the economic collapse does come, and social order falls apart, the cities will be dead within about 7 days when the food shipments stop coming in and the food riots rape and kill every liberal that doesn't have a gun to defend themselves with.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 09 2012,10:25
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And now it is time to decline the Thanksgiving Dinner invitation on Facebook.  Sigh.


Are you seriously skipping Thanksgiving dinner with family because of politics?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,10:29

(Leisher @ Nov. 09 2012,13:25)
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And now it is time to decline the Thanksgiving Dinner invitation on Facebook.  Sigh.


Are you seriously skipping Thanksgiving dinner with family because of politics?

No, I am cutting them from my life because they are assholes, and it just became clear to me during this political season.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,10:41
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Now, everyone talks to the entire world 24 hours a day, and the pressure cooker is boiling harder than it was possible in the past.  I don't see any release valve.

< Don't worry, someone else figured it out millennia ago >.  There's a shitload of things to talk about in the entire world, and it's so easy to lose focus.



Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,11:09
< Time for Hollywood to pay its Fair Share. >
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,11:14
Maybe this is what it takes.  Actually give the liberals what they want: much, MUCH higher taxes.  Everyone that makes over $1mil a year, 90% tax.  No loopholes.  Make sure the alternative minimum tax is applied... LIBERALLY.  We have all kinds of new IRS agents, get them in the rich folks' houses, making sure they are not too unfair in their lifestyles.

I bet we see a much different bribe/campaign contribution pattern in 2016.

But actually, I don't care anymore.... I am waiting to watch it all burn.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,11:19

(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,13:12)
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And now it is time to decline the Thanksgiving Dinner invitation on Facebook.  Sigh.

I threw a "Maybe" at the invite.  I am really trying hard to "get over it," because I don't loath EVERYONE in my family, and I don't want to hurt their feelings.  But I really am done being nice and polite in the face of assholes, and I also don't want to ruin everyone elses holiday by showing up and then telling some of them to go fuck themselves if they say something stupid and insulting.

So, trying to get to a point where I can keep my mouth shut.  But I really think those days are done.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,11:24
Especially the Children with the Very Strong Opinions about Birth Control.  ARGH it just pisses me off so much....  

That is how I think of them, now.  The Children with the Very Strong Opinions about Birth Control.  Oldest is 12.

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 09 2012,11:24
I told half my family to fuck off years ago and I haven't regretted it one bit.

Admittedly I do have to change my phone number whenever my mother gets her hands on it, but that's only every five years or so.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,11:30
I am 41 years old, and have a lot of gray hair.  I think it is because I always, ALWAYS swallow stress, and never let my real opinions of stupidity fly in the name of 'keeping the peace.'  It feels so good to be done with that.

On a better note, I now appreciate my friends more and I am tolerating their bullshit better than I was.  I am getting it, now.  I can see that the real assholes are the ones who pretend to be nice to you.



Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,11:42

(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,13:14)
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Maybe this is what it takes.  Actually give the liberals what they want: much, MUCH higher taxes.  Everyone that makes over $1mil a year, 90% tax.  No loopholes.  Make sure the alternative minimum tax is applied... LIBERALLY.  We have all kinds of new IRS agents, get them in the rich folks' houses, making sure they are not too unfair in their lifestyles.

No thanks.  Bigger gov't, even to screw over the people that want it, is not something I'll ever support.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,11:44
You can't stop it.  Give them what they want so it will burn that much faster.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,11:44

(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,13:19)
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(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,13:12)
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And now it is time to decline the Thanksgiving Dinner invitation on Facebook.  Sigh.

I threw a "Maybe" at the invite.  I am really trying hard to "get over it," because I don't loath EVERYONE in my family, and I don't want to hurt their feelings.  But I really am done being nice and polite in the face of assholes, and I also don't want to ruin everyone elses holiday by showing up and then telling some of them to go fuck themselves if they say something stupid and insulting.

So, trying to get to a point where I can keep my mouth shut.  But I really think those days are done.

< Ben Disraeli agrees >.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,11:46
Fuck yeah.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,11:49

(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,14:44)
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You can't stop it.  Give them what they want so it will burn that much faster.

Although, it would also be funny to watch the House refuse to introduce a tax hike, and watch us go another year without a budget, and watch it all burn that way, instead.  The only difference is then the House gets the blame instead of the president.

You can't stop it, you might as well embrace the madness.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,11:59

(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,13:30)
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On a better note, I now appreciate my friends more and I am tolerating their bullshit better than I was.  I am getting it, now.  I can see that the real assholes are the ones who pretend to be nice to you.

You now have some choices...

1) Speak your mind freely and openly, even when it causes social static.

2) Just avoid the fuck out of everyone you can't stand.

3) Doing #1 when you can and #2 when you have to.  If you are forced to put up with an otherwise insufferable fuckhead, remember that living well is the best revenge and people who maintain calmness are generally regarded as less insane than those who rant and rave.
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You had to give it to him: he had a plan. And it started to make sense, in a Tyler sort of way. No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide.



Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 09 2012,11:59
You going fiddle shopping in the flames there, GORDON?
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,12:04

(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,13:49)
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(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,14:44)
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You can't stop it.  Give them what they want so it will burn that much faster.

Although, it would also be funny to watch the House refuse to introduce a tax hike, and watch us go another year without a budget, and watch it all burn that way, instead.  The only difference is then the House gets the blame instead of the president.

You can't stop it, you might as well embrace the madness.

You are aware you'll feel the burn well before any of the D.C. suits, right?
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,12:04

(TPRJones @ Nov. 09 2012,14:59)
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You going fiddle shopping in the flames there, GORDON?

There is no stopping it, so why stress?  Embrace it.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,12:05

(Malcolm @ Nov. 09 2012,15:04)
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(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,13:49)
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(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2012,14:44)
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You can't stop it.  Give them what they want so it will burn that much faster.

Although, it would also be funny to watch the House refuse to introduce a tax hike, and watch us go another year without a budget, and watch it all burn that way, instead.  The only difference is then the House gets the blame instead of the president.

You can't stop it, you might as well embrace the madness.

You are aware you'll feel the burn well before any of the D.C. suits, right?

As long as I can watch it burn on TV.

I'm already fucked when Obamacare kicks in.  Not poor enough to get it for free, and not rich enough that buying health insurance isn't going to hurt, a lot.  A whole lot.

So fuck it.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,12:09
I know I am having the enthusiasm for chaos as a "newly converted."  I'll calm down once the euphoria fades.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,12:13
If all you want is conflagration, chaos is all you need.  Well, that and some time.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 09 2012,12:18
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I am 41 years old, and have a lot of gray hair.  I think it is because I always, ALWAYS swallow stress, and never let my real opinions of stupidity fly in the name of 'keeping the peace.'


Never met that guy  :D

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The only difference is then the House gets the blame instead of the president.


That's what I predict will happen in 4 years. We couldn't do anything because of the House!

[/QUOTE]I'm already fucked when Obamacare kicks in.  Not poor enough to get it for free, and not rich enough that buying health insurance isn't going to hurt, a lot.  A whole lot.[QUOTE]

Yeah. Aside from the morons on FB who think everything liberal/progressive equals the right thing to do, I've heard noone predict good things will come from Obamacare. We just went through our annual health insurance enrollment and the insurance lady called it a nightmare.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,12:36

(Leisher @ Nov. 09 2012,15:18)
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I am 41 years old, and have a lot of gray hair.  I think it is because I always, ALWAYS swallow stress, and never let my real opinions of stupidity fly in the name of 'keeping the peace.'


Never met that guy  :D

I've never heard you say anything so stupid that I felt like I had to swallow a harsh criticism of your opinion in order to "be nice."
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 09 2012,12:39

(Leisher @ Nov. 09 2012,14:18)
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We just went through our annual health insurance enrollment and the insurance lady called it a nightmare.

As did we.  I didn't hear a lot of, "Yeah, better options than last year."
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 09 2012,12:40
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I've never heard you say anything so stupid that I felt like I had to swallow a harsh criticism of your opinion in order to "be nice."


Cakedaddy is straight.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2012,12:40

(Leisher @ Nov. 09 2012,15:40)
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I've never heard you say anything so stupid that I felt like I had to swallow a harsh criticism of your opinion in order to "be nice."


Cakedaddy is straight.

Now you're just going over the top.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 11 2012,19:56
I've been thinking of ways to make the country burn itself up faster by promoting a liberal agenda.  I think Ohio needs to get some Saf Franciscan-style ballot measures going, such as:

1.  We need to pay poor people a Living Wage.  Anyone working more than 35 hours per week and makes less than $1000 a month should be given a stipend of $1000 per month.  To pay for this, everyone who makes more than $7000 per month will be docked $1250 per month.  Why the extra $250?  Someone has to pay for administering the program, silly.  It isn't Fair that someone can be working harder than someone making $84k per year and not being paid a living wage.  Thr stipend is renewable from year to year.  If you qualify for it on Jan 1, you are good until the next year.  The stipend does not count against your ability to receive free Obamacare.  If more people qualify for the stipend than there are people making enough money to pay for it, then the amount people pay will be increased to adjust.  This will be sold as, "It motivates rich people to pay a living wage to everyone so they don't get dinged for it out of pocket."  Liberals eat that shit up, and it will cause producers to flee, which will in turn take money out of the communities and turn everything to shit.

2.  Fuck weed... legalize meth.  Legalize everything.  Every bored teenager in the midwest is taking meth anyway, so fuck it.  Legalize it.  Freedom motherfucker, do you speak it?  Think of the tax revenue!  The poor will be supplied with free drugs, btw.  Not fair that only the rich can afford it.

3.  Free needles/condoms/abortions/ and crack houses in every neighborhood.  With all the foreclosures happening, it will be easy and required by every community with a population of >1200 will be required to acquire and maintain a flop house for those needing a safe place to shoot up/snort/smoke/whatever.  But to be reasonable, no one younger than 8 will be supplied with a bed or a needle, by penalty of law.  It isn't fair that only the rich should be able to get free and clear access to drugs and clean needles.

I bet I can get enough petition signatures to get these on the state ballot initiatives.  San Fran already has variations or this shit enacted into law... with the right propaganda and "education" initiatives, we can do the same.

I am serious about this.

I want to be young enough to be able to lift a rifle when it all goes up, so we got to get this candle lit, people!

Posted by thibodeaux on Nov. 12 2012,06:36
< Bill Maher: White People Vote for White People >

Except..."white people" is about the only demographic that's not HUGELY democrat. "White people" went, what, 60-40 for Romney? Name me another racial demographic that wasn't 70% or more for Obama.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 12 2012,07:40
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I've been thinking of ways to make the country burn itself up faster by promoting a liberal agenda.  I think Ohio needs to get some Saf Franciscan-style ballot measures going, such as...


1) no

2) Legalizing drugs would cripple most drug lords not smart enough to incorporate in a legitimate way (figure 5-10% of them are bright enough to do so).  Yes, it would also generate tax revenue and spur biz -- someone has to operate the real drug shoppes.

3) Know what's cheaper than paying for people's medical care due to easily preventable shit?  Free sterile needles and condoms.  Until I get an ironclad guarantee the state, and thus all taxpayers, won't have to pay for other people's medical shit in critical situations, making sure it doesn't happen in the first place seems like a decent bet.

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I am serious about this.

P-shaw.

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I want to be young enough to be able to lift a rifle when it all goes up, so we got to get this candle lit, people!

Won't happen unless...
1) time slows down, a lot
2) advances in technology allow you to maintain your youth, and therefore gun-toting vigour, longer than usual
3) advances in technology allow you to tote guns vigourously into old age

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 12 2012,07:48
GORDON, #1 is nice and stupid as you wanted, but #2 & #3 would slow down the crash rather than bring it about.

Although I think #1 would probably be crash neutral overall.  It would make a mess of Ohio as the earners go elsewhere, but that's not enough to topple an entire nation.  You'd need to make that rule for the whole country to have any meaningful impact.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 12 2012,07:56

(thibodeaux @ Nov. 12 2012,09:36)
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< Bill Maher: White People Vote for White People >

Except..."white people" is about the only demographic that's not HUGELY democrat. "White people" went, what, 60-40 for Romney? Name me another racial demographic that wasn't 70% or more for Obama.

You can't argue with that logic.

96% of black voters voted for Obama.
Approx 80% of Hispanic voters voted for Obama.

Approx 50% of white voters voted for Obama, which obviously means white people are racist...

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 12 2012,07:56

(Malcolm @ Nov. 12 2012,10:40)
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I've been thinking of ways to make the country burn itself up faster by promoting a liberal agenda.  I think Ohio needs to get some Saf Franciscan-style ballot measures going, such as...


1) no

2) Legalizing drugs would cripple most drug lords not smart enough to incorporate in a legitimate way (figure 5-10% of them are bright enough to do so).  Yes, it would also generate tax revenue and spur biz -- someone has to operate the real drug shoppes.

3) Know what's cheaper than paying for people's medical care due to easily preventable shit?  Free sterile needles and condoms.  Until I get an ironclad guarantee the state, and thus all taxpayers, won't have to pay for other people's medical shit in critical situations, making sure it doesn't happen in the first place seems like a decent bet.

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I am serious about this.

P-shaw.

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I want to be young enough to be able to lift a rifle when it all goes up, so we got to get this candle lit, people!

Won't happen unless...
1) time slows down, a lot
2) advances in technology allow you to maintain your youth, and therefore gun-toting vigour, longer than usual
3) advances in technology allow you to tote guns vigourously into old age

Well not with that attitude!
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 12 2012,07:59
Also, I've already been seeing articles in the MSM explaining why Obama second term won't live up to its promise.

Basically, the Republicans are already getting the blame for the next four years.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 12 2012,08:10
Have their fired their PR dudes yet?  The entire party is summed up with this image...


Posted by Leisher on Nov. 12 2012,08:23
Sounds like we need a new thread...
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 13 2012,21:11
Some right wing blog stated that there was going to be a 3.8% tax on home sales if the house costs more than $250k.  I did a little fact  checking... they were wrong.  It is on $250k profit on the sale of a home.

So breathe easy, millionaires.  You can sell the house for $1 and the land for $500k.

< http://factcheck.org/2010/04/a-38-percent-sales-tax-on-your-home/ >

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 14 2012,05:06
Well, you're wrong too.

The 3.8% tax is a capital gains tax.  Thus, it only applies to the GAIN when selling your house.  If you buy your home for $250k, are single, and sell it for $500k, then only the $250k is eligible for taxation.   But, the tax code has a $250k exclusion of capital gains on sale of primary home, so the taxes would be $0.

If you sold the $250k house for $600k, you would have to pay taxes on the $100k above $500k.  But you have to do that today, already.  The 3.8% is a surtax on top of normal capital gains taxes.

And, the $250k exclusion is double for married people to $500k.



Posted by GORDON on Nov. 14 2012,05:11
I wasn't wrong, I was being brief.  Shut up.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 14 2012,11:38



Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 14 2012,14:19
While at the repair shop today, Fox News was on.  Goddamn, from the way they talk about shit, they expect the end of the world to be coming sometime within the next four years.  I am not exaggerating one iota.  Good job putting on that calm, rationale front and winning opponents over to your side instead of more paranoid speculations.  I heard nothing but worst case scenarios.

On the flip side, I saw part of B-Rock's conference.  He looked like the dude in high school doing a presentation on a semester long project that was clearly tossed together sometime over the course of the last couple days.

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 14 2012,16:47

(Malcolm @ Nov. 14 2012,16:19)
QUOTE
Goddamn, from the way they talk about shit, they expect the end of the world to be coming sometime within the next four years.

As far as FOX is concerned, the second coming of Jesus is already well past due.  They really are expecting the end of the world any day now.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 14 2012,17:41
Honest to Jeebus, I thought I was watching < this dude > or a clone show for a second.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 15 2012,06:44
< One of Obama's biggest donors is laying folks off due to Obamacare. >

Based on the guy's track record, it looks like social issues are his main concern. If I were an employee of his, I'd find it very hard not to look at my boss's political contributions and think, "His politics got 5% of my co-workers fired, and he isn't even concerned with the economy."

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 15 2012,09:14
Darn Republican business owners, trying to make Obama look bad.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 19 2012,10:27
< Goddamnit, Newt. >  Goddamn you for making me agree with you.

QUOTE
Former Republican presidential contender Newt Gingrich has joined a growing number of Republicans in criticizing Mitt Romney for saying he lost the election because President Obama gave "gifts" to minorities such as African-Americans and Latinos.

"I just think it's nuts," Gingrich told Martha Raddatz on Sunday on ABC's This Week. "I mean, first of all, it's insulting."

He gets to his normal batshit insanity by the last paragraph, but he starts off sounding reasonable.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 19 2012,10:48
I agree that Mitt didn't lose the election because of gifts.

Hell, the black vote alone proved that. Obama got over 95% of the black vote the last two elections because of racism, not gifts.

However, I do believe it to be a fact that many, many, many people vote Democrat because the Dems support and create programs that get these specific voters free money, education, housing, cell phones, etc.

I thought his comment was an extension of his earlier 47% comment. Truthfully, how off the mark was that comment? If 47% of Americans don't pay taxes, I'd be interested in seeing how many of that 47% vote Democrat.

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 19 2012,10:50
Romney was right.  The part not mentioned is that Republicans do the same shit for their rich business buddies.  They're all buying votes, the Democrats were just better at it this time around.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 19 2012,10:53
And the Republican responses reek of: "Fuck, he's telling the truth! Distance ourselves from those comments immediately to make us seem to be in league with the common man!"
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 19 2012,11:31
Do they both give away shit?  Yeah.  Do I think giving away shit was the key to winning?  No more than a new coat of wax on your car makes the engine perform better.  Does it contribute to the car having a better appearance?  Sure.

1) Obama won
2) He gave (still does) provide things to taxpayers for "free"

If Mitt were claiming these things independently, I wouldn't be faulting him.  While the above two items are related, (2) is not the primary cause of (1).  He sounds like a pouty-ass, sore loser at this point.  Again, a great way to endear the party to people is NOT implying that the people are bought and sold like commodities.  They are, but you don't come out and fucking say it to them.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 06 2012,10:45
< Pelosi: We will totally pull a Thelma and Louise >.


Posted by Leisher on Dec. 06 2012,11:04
The problem isn't taxes or tax cuts, it's the fact that we're spending so much money that there's a debate about raising taxes. Nobody can argue that eventually that well will dry up.

Why then? Shouldn't that be the problem we're fixing?

Instead of trying to increase revenue by taking it from the job creators, shouldn't we be cutting costs on citizens and businesses so they can spend more into our economy?

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2012,11:06
I can't see any way the republicans don't get blamed for the "cliff," so of course botox nancy is all for it.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 06 2012,11:38
They're fucked up enough right now that they can't mount an appropriate defense.  They should just fucking disband and regroup.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 06 2012,11:45
< Revenues (taxes) as % of GDP > have fallen 33% since 2000.  We're 19% across the 90's.  15% the past few years.  

So, historically, taxes are below recent averages.

< Good graph of revenue sources over time >

At any rate... a) we spend too much b) we should probably tax a little more, is my conclusion.  I would have accepted the 1:4 tax rate:spending decrease plan of the original debt commission.

Just pay off the damned debt. Right now, these kids are arguing over saving 1 penny or 2 pennies, but still borrowing quarters.

Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 06 2012,12:03
I'm all for going over that cliff at full speed.

No better way to spark an armed revolution, and we could certainly use one of those.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 06 2012,12:04
Yeah, at this point, we may as well go over... fuck me on taxes, but whatever.  At least the debt would start going down.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2012,12:06
Just consider it's going to be a double rape... Obamacare also kicks in 2014, and if you think your health insurance costs aren't going to go up then... I think you're wrong.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 06 2012,12:44
Ah, it's a good time not to have any dependents.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2012,12:50

(Malcolm @ Dec. 06 2012,15:44)
QUOTE
Ah, it's a good time not to have any dependents.

I don't know this for sure, but I have a feeling the "free" health insurance is going to be taken from the "Earned Income Credit" that poor people with dependents get at tax time... for example, people with little income and who pay zero income taxes with 3 dependents get a check for $10k.  That is EIC.

And I have a feeling Obamacare is going to cut into that free candy, and poor peeps will be pissed.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 06 2012,13:14
You still haven't read < this > yet, have you?  The give-take game can be played for years, especially in a society like this where litigation is everything and moves slower than a sarlaac's digestive system.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 11 2012,06:57
Obama hates black people.

< http://www.jammiewf.com/2012....country >

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 14 2012,06:12
The < "Build a Death Star" > petition now has enough signatures that the White House must respond to it.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 14 2012,07:17
< Obama does not support legalislation of marijuana. >
You know, cuz not yet 51% of America does.

I mean, I'm happy that he thinks this:
QUOTE
President Obama: Busting marijuana users in Washington, Colorado is not a federal ‘top priority’

But come on man, have a fucking spine.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2012,07:30
He's secretly saying, "Until we need to round up some more cash by arbitrarily raiding offices and fining the fuck out of them."
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 19 2012,09:49

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,10:19
Can you imagine the shitstorm if any of the guns the kid used could be traced back to that group of weapons?  Not that it's even remotely a possibility, but something along those lines would be hilarious.


Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 19 2012,11:59

(Leisher @ Dec. 19 2012,12:49)
QUOTE

Dare y'all to post on FB.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,12:43
Someone will just argue, "Oh, the cartels would've gotten their firepower from somewhere else."  I'd also like to add, as an aside, there are documented cases of inmates constructing fully functioning semiautomatic pistols in prison workshops using little else except scrap metal and plumbing parts.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 19 2012,13:10
Except in this case it was the executive branch giving them to mexican drug lords.  In bulk.


Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2012,13:16

(GORDON @ Dec. 19 2012,15:10)
QUOTE
Except in this case it was the executive branch giving them to mexican drug lords.  In bulk.

What would have been funny is if some Fifth Element shit happened.

"Hey, what's this red button on the rifle for?"

Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 19 2012,13:17

(Malcolm @ Dec. 19 2012,15:43)
QUOTE
I'd also like to add, as an aside, there are documented cases of inmates constructing fully functioning semiautomatic pistols in prison workshops using little else except scrap metal and plumbing parts.

Ahem:
< http://www.saysuncle.com/2005/03/13/carbine_williams_exhibit/ >

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 20 2012,13:39

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 23 2012,21:10
from somewhere

QUOTE
I wonder how much the media and the liberal hatred of Republicans plays into the current Republican angst. It's almost as if Republicans are the new Jews of yesteryear where any vile dirty thing can be said about them with little blowback and less truth. The media blames Republicans for every ill that comes down the pike. A storm in the Northeast? Damn Republicans caused it. You aren't making the money you once did? A Republican did that to you. A violent young man kills 27? That Republican sitting next to you is somehow to blame. That's what the media wants people to believe and because people are eager for a scapegoat, many listen without critical thought.

I am always surprised at those people who consider themselves intelligent, well-meaning "empathetic" types who think nothing of tossing out some nasty crack about Republicans -whether at the holiday table, in the classroom or in line at the supermarket. It puts people on the opposite side of the political fence on the defense and makes for an antagonistic atmosphere, one that is growing more hostile by the day. I used to think that people should try to be "tolerant" and not get too upset by the jabs. I was wrong.
Here is my advice: rather than just take it and fill out a poll saying you are demoralized, fight back. Even if you feel uncomfortable, even if you might wreck the holiday party, and even if it means you might be open to hostility like you have never seen before, speak up. Or, if you don't want to talk politics, just say so and say that this type of talk makes you feel uncomfortable. If you are with friends or family and they don't understand this, how important can they be in your life? If your well-being is that unimportant to them, why bother? Perhaps next year, you need to spend the holidays in Barbados if you can or at least in the company of those who don't see your politics as evil.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 24 2012,12:52
I'm mainly blaming the Republicans for fucking up their PR image and allowing the party to get hijacked by the religious moral fundie psychos.  If they couldn't win the previous election, the pachyderms are utterly fucked, and their best hope is jettisoning the members who are focusing on anything except economics.  If they don't have the ability or balls to do that, then leave and start a new party.  Otherwise, they've got nothing except the guarantee that they'll lose.  I have no sympathy for them, not because they've proven themselves to be evil, but because they've proven themselves to be incompetent and unwilling to let go of their past.  Let them worship at the altar of the memory of Ronald Reagan while their party crumbles to ash.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 03 2013,06:29

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 03 2013,09:56
Here's one for Catt:


Posted by GORDON on Jan. 04 2013,14:05

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 05 2013,10:36
Anyone familiar with the < NDAA >?
QUOTE
The detention provisions of the Act have received critical attention by, among others, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, and some media sources which are concerned about the scope of the President's authority, including contentions that those whom they claim may be held indefinitely could include U.S. citizens arrested on American soil, including arrests by members of the Armed Forces.

Here's < this year's version >.  It tries to limit some of the presidential powers.  < White House responds like a rabid squirrel guarding its nuts >.  Perhaps the most damning thing of all, < here's > a dude from a comedy website shredding the NDAA in general.  Best line?
QUOTE
Obama is a liberal only in the sense that Green Day is punk.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 08 2013,08:22
I swear, one bright, BRIGHT side of him getting reelected will be to the enjoyment of the suffering of the people who believed all the bullshit about him, and are getting rude awakenings.

< http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfro....6 >

It already started with the 2% payroll tax increase, which hit everyone, including all those people making less than $250k per year that Obama SWORE would not see any increase in taxes.  I've been telling peeps that there is NO WAY health insurance costs wont increase under Obamacare, but they tell me I will just "believe what I want to believe."  My middle name needs to be changed from "Scott" to "Schadenfreude," because then my initials wont change and also I am going to be greatly enjoying the pain of their awakenings.

Also, WE FUCKING TOLD YOU SO.  Dumbasses.  

WAR ON WOMEN!

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 08 2013,09:20
To be fair, Bush the greater pulled the same shit with taxes.  But then pretty much everyone turned on him.  Marion Barry got caught on camera smoking crack.  Then he got reelected mayor of D.C.  I'm not even going to speculate what it'd take to knock B-Rock off his pedestal.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 08 2013,09:32

(Malcolm @ Jan. 08 2013,12:20)
QUOTE
I'm not even going to speculate what it'd take to knock B-Rock off his pedestal.

I've been saying for years that Obama could kill and eat a baby on live TV, during primetime, and still have a 47% approval rating.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 09 2013,06:10
Fast food joints across the country cutting peoples' hours in order to avoid Obamacare requirement.

< http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013....olitics >

I mean, I am completely shocked.  NO ONE saw this sort of thing... rising costs, cut employees.. coming.  At all.  Complete surprise, could not have been foreseen.

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 09 2013,06:23
None of this is Obama's fault. It's all the greedy corporations.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 09 2013,07:11
QUOTE
But to determine whether employees work enough hours on average to receive benefits, businesses must track schedules at least three months in advance of 2014...

Check back in September.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 09 2013,10:23
Biden is talking about gun restrictions by executive order, somehow bypassing the constitution.  Again.  Suggests wheels are already in motion.

< http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs....84.html >

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 09 2013,10:28
QUOTE
John Nance Garner famously described the Vice-Presidency as being "not worth a bucket of warm piss."

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 09 2013,12:51
I saw an Obama or Biden quote saying they needed to get something into place so this (Sandy Hook) never happens again.

Wow. Just wow.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 09 2013,13:05
They're going to shut down the public education system?  Awesome.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 09 2013,13:37

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 10 2013,10:41
So much insanity going on today.

Biden: "We don't know what we're going to do about gun control, but it's going to be something, and we will < crawl up every orifice in your body to get you to agree >."
QUOTE
Mr. Biden also hinted that the package of proposals would address the ability of the federal government to do research on gun violence, comparing the limits on federal data gathering to restrictions on the government’s ability to study traffic fatalities in the 1970s.

He said the government needed the ability to find out “what kind of weapons are used most to kill people” and “what kind of weapons are trafficked weapons.”

I'd like to add he works for the country which is the largest exporter of arms in the world.

Debt control: Ripped almost directly from the Simpsons,< why not just mint a ridiculously expensive coin >?

Piers Morgan: < Protected personally by Obama, according to Piers Morgan >.

New cabinet: < Democrats not happy > with picks from the minority-hating, bigoted, racist, sexist, xenophobic Republican-helmed White House.



Posted by Leisher on Jan. 11 2013,06:20

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 11 2013,07:40
< Passes law to surround himself with guns for life. >

Still wants your gun taken away...

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 11 2013,07:47
On the other hand, maybe he just needs all those guns cuz other people have guns.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 11 2013,08:00
Then why not let his people have guns to protect themselves?

Also, there's a joke in there somewhere about his policies being so unpopular, and him giving himself secret service protection for life.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 11 2013,11:30

(Leisher @ Jan. 11 2013,11:00)
QUOTE
Then why not let his people have guns to protect themselves?

Also, there's a joke in there somewhere about his policies being so unpopular, and him giving himself secret service protection for life.

I'm sure it's just racism.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 14 2013,10:27
< Obama: Raise that ceiling >.
QUOTE
Mr. Obama stressed today that raising the debt ceiling would not authorize new spending.

Throughout the whole of history on this planet, not enough bulls have lived to produce the amount of shit contained in that one sentence.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 14 2013,10:41
Yeah, he can go DIAF on this.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 14 2013,16:03
< Obama in '06: > Raising the debt ceiling is a sign of failure.

Obama in '11: Raise the roof, motherfuckers.



Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 16 2013,10:34
< No mags over 10 rounds, and other insane rules >.

QUOTE
"Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system."
...
"Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers."

Read as "bribery and legal thuggery."

QUOTE
"Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign."

Never been done before, I'm sure.

QUOTE
"Nominate an ATF director."

This would have stopped the school shooting how?

QUOTE
"Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations."
...
"Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime."

Those words are fucking meaningless.  What specific things are you going to do?

Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 16 2013,11:26
WE MUST DO SOMETHING!

I've had intelligent, educated people say exactly this: "I don't know what we should do exactly, but something has to change."

For the children, I guess.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 16 2013,11:55
QUOTE
I've had intelligent, educated people say exactly this: "I don't know what we should do exactly, but something has to change."

I think those two adjectives no longer apply if they're going down the "let's change things solely because I have this nagging emotion" road.  

It's as if the brains of some people only know how to work one half at a time: straight up logic (in which case the right brain shuts down and the person is no more effective than an automaton) or 100% feeling with no calculated analysis for follow up (in which case the left brain shuts down and all the cranial evolution granted to this species since it achieved sentience goes to naught).  The above would be an example of the latter, of course.

QUOTE
For the children, I guess.

I'm reminded of Colin Quinn from SNL's "Weekend Update."
"From the future, Elian Gonzalez in the third-world tropical wasteland known as Cuba, watches for the first time MTV's Spring Break 2012 Wet T-Shirt contest live from Florida, and then goes on a shooting rampage while repeatedly yelling, 'Thanks, comrades!'"

Sometimes the children would kick the shit out of you, if they could, for what you did for them.



Posted by Leisher on Jan. 16 2013,12:27

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 16 2013,13:33
I keep forgetting we have elected people who make laws.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 16 2013,13:54

(TheCatt @ Jan. 16 2013,15:33)
QUOTE
I keep forgetting we have elected people who make laws.

Yeah, but we approve of them overall far less than what B-Rock's rating is at.  Isn't it just bypassing people we all mock for their incompetency?  Due process has been holding us back too long.  Let's do the monarchy thing.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 16 2013,13:58
GRIDLOCK
Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 16 2013,14:37
I think it's time to try a direct digital democracy.  Surely it couldn't be much worse than what we have now.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 16 2013,14:55

(TPRJones @ Jan. 16 2013,16:37)
QUOTE
I think it's time to try a direct digital democracy.  Surely it couldn't be much worse than what we have now.

The hackers and software engineers will rule you all.
Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 16 2013,16:13
Meh.  More intelligent and less corrupt than the Congress we got now.  Not ideal, but still an improvement.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 16 2013,17:38

(TPRJones @ Jan. 16 2013,18:13)
QUOTE
Meh.  More intelligent and less corrupt than the Congress we got now.  Not ideal, but still an improvement.

Corruption follows power.  Right now, lawyers have the power and they are some of the most corrupt motherfuckers on planet Earth.  They wage wars with weapons of words, written, spoken, or published.  They argue professionally.  It's how they make law, it's how they get votes.

Switching up to digitized democracy is only going to make lawyers less corrupt (less influence, less cash) and transfer that directly to the software/network/internet world profession.  Fuck, you think electronic attacks are high now?  How about if it dictated law?  

Even if you could have bulletproof security, this is also the same nation that made "Jersey Shore" a hit.  The masses are dumb-asses, I'm tired of watching them elect worthless shitbags.



Posted by Leisher on Jan. 16 2013,18:37

Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 17 2013,05:42
New Meme: < Vaginas are more regulated than Guns >.

WTF SRSLY?

Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 17 2013,06:22
She's right, I can go out and buy a gun right now if I wanted to, but try to buy a vagina and it's all "prostitution is illegal" and "sex slavery is wrong" and shit.

I agree with Shannyn Moore that prostitution and human sex trafficking should be legalized!

Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 17 2013,06:58
And what exactly does "reproductive health services" mean? Abortion?
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 17 2013,07:05
And, the new thing going around is instead of saying "gun control," which sounds all mean and controlling, you say GUN SAFETY because hey... who doesn't like safety?  Even though it amounts to the same thing.

Pay attention.  That phrase is in the wild.

Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 17 2013,07:17
Now I am curious about what Vagina Safety would entail.
Posted by Troy on Jan. 17 2013,07:27

Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 17 2013,07:29
My Response:

"I am in favor of restrictions on vagina size."

I would have said "caliber," but these morons wouldn't get it.

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 17 2013,08:05
< NRA defends ad asking why Obama thinks his kids should be protected by guns, while your kids shouldn't. >

The White House's response:
QUOTE
The White House called the ad “repugnant and cowardly” and criticized the organization for using the president’s children as “pawns in a political fight.”


I agree. People who use children in political fights are "repugnant and cowardly"...

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 17 2013,08:21
I wish that just a single high profile person would say, when he pulls that sort of thing, "Why don't you go fuck yourself, you piece of shit."
Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 17 2013,08:24
Kid suspended for bringing a gun to school ... a finger gun.  < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYl-E1dM7aE >
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 17 2013,10:23
< NRA members spontaneously decided to buy large quantities of weapons with no motivation >.
QUOTE
There are over four million members in the NRA today. They've been successful in brainwashing some of their members through foolhardy rhetoric and propaganda. As a result, gun sales have exponentially soared throughout the nation.


CEOs of two businesses frequented by hippies: < Obamacare is fascism, fucks over small businesses too much. >

< Governor states the obvious >.



Posted by Leisher on Jan. 17 2013,10:37


Remember right wing Republican Kennedy?

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 17 2013,10:48
Participate in the defense of this country headed by the current assholes?  No thanks.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 17 2013,13:00

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 17 2013,13:53
I'll listen to gun control laws for citizens only after they're applied (in order) to the federal, state, city, and county officials.  They're just as likely to snap, misuse their weapons, and kill people.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 18 2013,12:06
Very good video. Compares the US's violent crime rate with the UK's. Also, there's a nice finishing statement and stat that kind of shits on the entire gun control argument.


Posted by GORDON on Jan. 18 2013,12:09
Gun SAFETY.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 18 2013,13:54
"Assault Weapons" are the problem.

Not people. Not mental health. Not our society. Not our leaders. Not how we secure our schools or any public place where people gather. Not our culture. Not poverty.

Take away all assault weapons and we'll never have another mass shooting.

Also, I'm selling a bridge...


Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 18 2013,15:39
Scotland had a huge "let's ban knives" campaign when I was there.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 18 2013,18:49
Next it would be "Let's ban pointy sticks," followed by, "Let's ban thumbs that enable one to throw rocks."
Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 19 2013,12:38
God Damn It. There's a gun show in town, and of course some dumbass had to have a negligent discharge.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 19 2013,12:44

(thibodeaux @ Jan. 19 2013,15:38)
QUOTE
God Damn It. There's a gun show in town, and of course some dumbass had to have a negligent discharge.

A lefty plant.  They aren't done poisoning the well.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 21 2013,10:23
Colleges cutting hours of adjunct professors in order to avoid Obamacare costs.

< http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm....oophole >

Ha ha.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 21 2013,10:25
< The Least Transparent Administration in History. >
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 21 2013,12:30
This could also go in the California Deathwatch thread, but since they mention the federal tax hikes, and since this stems from Dem policies...

< Phil Mickelson hints at big changes >

This is really interesting because Phil is a multimillionaire, an employer, and is famous. He's not hiding the fact that these insane taxes are going to force his hand and he'll be making some changes.

It appears that one of those changes will be to move away from California.

If your tax rate is 62 or 63 percent like Phil is saying, why live in California? You can get the same weather elsewhere and pay less in taxes. Florida doesn't have state taxes...

Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 21 2013,13:16
He's greedy; 37% of however many millions he makes should be enough for him.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 21 2013,13:45
SocSec + Medicare = 15.5%
Highest Marginal tax = 39.6% (above $400k)
California Marginal tax = 10.3% (above $1M)

Although, SocSec caps out at $110k, so then that drops to 2.5%... so I think he's looking at "only" 52.4% on his income above $1 Million.  

Although, he employees people, paying for his caddy (and others?) so maybe he's incorporating that.

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 22 2013,06:55
There is no such thing as a left wing bias in the main stream media...



< From here. >

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 22 2013,07:03
Well, I'm not sure how mainstream a magazine that isn't even in print any more could be.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 22 2013,07:57
And that cover is among the reason they are no longer in print.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 22 2013,08:40
< BBC and Church of England worship Obama >

QUOTE
The anthem has been specially written for this service, to coincide with President Obama’s second inauguration. It’s called ‘Learning to Dream Again.’

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 22 2013,08:57
Like we're all falling asleep and believing in bullshit fantasies?  Seems kind of blatant.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 22 2013,10:09
We obviously need to < take away guns > from < all cops >.


Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 22 2013,11:11
< Mickelson performs Auto Da Fe >.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 22 2013,11:22
Duh.

He outed himself as being racist, homophobic, a right wing extremist, greedy, etc.  

At least, that's how the left wing will portray someone who "doesn't want to pay their fair share".

He's an entertainment commodity. He is his own brand, so it's important to not do things that will piss people off. Suggesting that you don't agree with Lord Obama's policies or those of the morally superior state of California is bad PR.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 22 2013,11:46
Workplace is forwarding around an e-mail which says, "If you earn over 100K, you're aren't eligible for a raise this year."
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 22 2013,11:49
Auto Da Fe? What's an Auto Da Fe?
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 22 2013,13:16

(GORDON @ Jan. 22 2013,13:49)
QUOTE
Auto Da Fe? What's an Auto Da Fe?

< Torture sanctioned by Holy Mother Church >.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 22 2013,13:18
That was a movie reference.  No one has gotten it yet...
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 22 2013,13:25

(GORDON @ Jan. 22 2013,15:18)
QUOTE
That was a movie reference.  No one has gotten it yet...

Oh that.  Mel.  History o' the World, Pt. 1.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 22 2013,14:05
A better answer would have been


Posted by Leisher on Jan. 22 2013,16:10
< Tiger Woods agrees with Phil. >
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 22 2013,16:30

(Malcolm @ Jan. 22 2013,14:46)
QUOTE
Workplace is forwarding around an e-mail which says, "If you earn over 100K, you're aren't eligible for a raise this year."

Wut wut?
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 23 2013,06:22
In the RTP market, which is pretty hot/competitive, only junior devs would be below $100k.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 23 2013,06:29
< Is cendorship next on the agenda? >

Seriously Ralph? "Electronic child molesters?"

Back to the censorship, and before you start snickering:
QUOTE
On the January 16th, it was reported that the administration were looking to set aside $10 million for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to “study the root causes of gun violence, including any relationship to video games and media images.”


Great! The government will be determining if it needs to protect us from violent video games and movies.

Remember, censorship happens all the time in socialist Europe, which is where Obama steals all his policies.

Our saving grace? Does anyone expect Hollywood will sit back and allow it to happen? They might become to censorship what the NRA is to gun control.

Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 23 2013,06:45

(TheCatt @ Jan. 23 2013,09:22)
QUOTE
In the RTP market, which is pretty hot/competitive, only junior devs would be below $100k.

How much should I be getting?
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 23 2013,07:46
QUOTE
“We are in the peak of [violence in entertainment]. Television program violence? Unbelievable. Video game violence? Unprecedented.”

The first medium is about sixty years old, the second, maybe forty.  Yeah, totally unprecedented levels of violence, just by virtue of the fact they've not been around that long.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 23 2013,07:51
< Weird >.  It's like his winning the Nobel Peace Prize a few years back for "efforts in bringing peace to the Middle East" hasn't done shit.
QUOTE
All of that is what Obama wants to leave as his legacy. One path to achieving this passes through the Middle East. Someone has to pour cold water over this smoldering powder keg in an effort to create a more pragmatic, less volatile region.

Obama already took care of that shit, he got a medal for it, you forgetful racist.



Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 23 2013,09:40

(thibodeaux @ Jan. 23 2013,09:45)
QUOTE

(TheCatt @ Jan. 23 2013,09:22)
QUOTE
In the RTP market, which is pretty hot/competitive, only junior devs would be below $100k.

How much should I be getting?

$3 and a used condom.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 23 2013,12:06
< Insurance rates going up in some places by double digits. >

QUOTE
Particularly vulnerable to the high rates are small businesses and people who do not have employer-provided insurance and must buy it on their own.


Sadists everywhere are furiously masturbating while reading that sentence.

Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 24 2013,08:22

(GORDON @ Jan. 21 2013,12:23)
QUOTE
< http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm....oophole >

QUOTE
It’s already become painfully obvious that the law’s creators failed to think through its full implications.

Wow.  I think that might be the single most naive thing I have ever read.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 24 2013,09:05

(TPRJones @ Jan. 24 2013,11:22)
QUOTE

(GORDON @ Jan. 21 2013,12:23)
QUOTE
< http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm....oophole >

QUOTE
It’s already become painfully obvious that the law’s creators failed to think through its full implications.

Wow.  I think that might be the single most naive thing I have ever read.

"Us:"   Ummm, I think maybe this plan was rushed and hasn't been properly thought out.

"Them:" Racist.

*time passes*

Them: Hey maybe this was rushed and not properly thought out.

Us: Told ya!

Them: Racist.

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 24 2013,11:28

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 24 2013,18:09
Questioning Hillary = misogyny.

< http://newsbusters.org/blogs....-hearin >

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 24 2013,18:15
< Geotge Bush doesn't care about black people. >

"We are going to cut through the bureaucracy and get these people taken care of."
~Obama, right before the election

Obama 2016.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 24 2013,18:52

(GORDON @ Jan. 24 2013,20:09)
QUOTE
Questioning Hillary = misogyny.

Someone called her a woman?
Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 25 2013,05:44
If she can't take the heat....get back in the kitchen!
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 29 2013,10:35
< Doctors overworked and causing 100K deaths annually >.  I'm sure the new health care plan will take care of this ... somehow.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 30 2013,08:54
Ok, so the GDP just shrunk, but that's a GOOD thing!

< http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs....63.html >

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 30 2013,08:55

(GORDON @ Jan. 30 2013,10:54)
QUOTE
Ok, so the GDP just shrunk, but that's a GOOD thing!

< http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs....63.html >

The Onion has just been outdone by reality.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 30 2013,09:00

(Malcolm @ Jan. 30 2013,11:55)
QUOTE

(GORDON @ Jan. 30 2013,10:54)
QUOTE
Ok, so the GDP just shrunk, but that's a GOOD thing!

< http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs....63.html >

The Onion has just been outdone by reality.

Except in this case, 52% of the people in this country actually, honestly, whole-heartedly believe it to be true.

Seriously, we need to burn all this shit down.  Too many people are actually seeing the emperor's new clothes.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 30 2013,09:07
Funny that I almost read it as "GOP just shrunk, but that's a GOOD thing."  I thought that finally did the mass forced exiles I was suggesting.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 30 2013,09:37
C'mon people, without that defense spending issue, the economy would have grown AT LEAST like 1.0% annualized, which is about 0.25% quarterly... which is almost nothing.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 30 2013,10:16
QUOTE
"Violence is a big problem, too many children are dying, too many children. We must do something..."

< From here >.  Note that "something" != "anything" and that this is blatant pandering.  

The only non-negative pachyderm blurb...
QUOTE
Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, decried violent video games and rejected the argument that they do not contribute to real-world gun violence.

"Out, out you demons of stupidity!"

QUOTE
James Johnson, chief of Baltimore County (Md.) Police Department, testified that law enforcement leaders back Obama's approach to reducing gun violence. "I'm here today to tell you we are long overdue in strengthening our nation's gun laws," he said. He called for background checks and said law enforcement groups support the assault weapons ban proposed Feinstein.

To serve and protect ... the government from the citizens.  Cops are not your friends.



Posted by Leisher on Jan. 30 2013,11:12
When you hit chief, you're not a cop, you're a politician. Many communities' police chiefs have never been cops.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 30 2013,11:14
Fine.  The cops that listen to their chiefs who aren't qualified to be cops are also part of the problem.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 31 2013,07:57
Here you go Malcolm:

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 31 2013,08:22
"Unless the magazine holds more than ten rounds, in which case you've become an immediate threat to society, then we'll have to kick in your door with guns blazing."  Dude's right, though, calling 911 isn't a viable option to stop most crimes.  I don't see anything in there which goes against the batshit insane rhetoric the anti-gun lobby is drumming up, though.
Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 31 2013,08:52
I've never understood the hide and pray sort of response training.  It's not that that sort of thing "no longer works" it's that it never really did and people are starting to realize how it's not the best of ideas.

But more importantly, what happened to heroism?  What happened to "I may be nearly guaranteed to die doing this, but maybe I can stop this guy from shooting anyone else"?  Exactly when did we give up on trying to save people and turn that over to government employees?



Posted by GORDON on Jan. 31 2013,08:58
What are you some kind of cowboy?
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 31 2013,09:10
QUOTE
Exactly when did we give up on trying to save people and turn that over to government employees?

Somewhere around < here >.

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 31 2013,09:38
QUOTE
But more importantly, what happened to heroism?


Whatever happened to crazy? Why does every negative event need to be explained or have a scapegoat?

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 31 2013,10:01

(Leisher @ Jan. 31 2013,11:38)
QUOTE
QUOTE
But more importantly, what happened to heroism?


Whatever happened to crazy? Why does every negative event need to be explained or have a scapegoat?

People don't like being reminded they fucked up.  They want to put the blame on inanimate objects or processes.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 31 2013,10:35
< Obamacare loophole > fucks over California students.  Ah, poetic justice.
Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 31 2013,14:01
I predict none of that will change and the medical care situation will get worse while at the same time the administration continues to claim victory.  Then a group of terminally ill patents who have had their treatments cut off will gather just outside the Whitehouse perimeter and commit suicide in protest.  That event will mark the point where the bullshit started to dry up and real serious reforms were considered.

But only for about a week.  Then some celebrity will get pregnant and everyone will forget.

QUOTE
"I'm saddened to see that students' well-being has to be held in a cost-benefit analysis,"

Advanced medical care is a very expensive and very limited resource.  Trying to give that sort of care to everyone would result in almost no one getting it in time to make a difference and bills that accumulate to rival our GDP.

You can't legislate a limited resource into an unlimited resource.  You can't legislate away disease and death.  All you end up doing is making sure everyone get a little more disease and death by messing things up.

There will come a day when healthcare is no longer a problem because it will no longer be a limited resource.  That day is far away, and we can't even start to get there until the FDA is shut down.



Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 31 2013,14:58
QUOTE
You can't legislate a limited resource into an unlimited resource.

At least half the population won't figure that out until they all get some chronic, debilitating (but not fatal) disease that requires some insane, expensive-ass treatment either:

1. made from a very finite amount of raw material.  We're talking like some hitherto undiscovered, endangered species that secretes some weird-ass chemical we can't reproduce or other natural phenomenon that happens almost never that produces the required resources OR

2. done by a process that is ridiculously expensive for people not infected.  Maybe the cure lives at the top of Mons Olympus on Mars and it has to be brought back to Earth on a regular basis or it just takes 10,000 hours of labour to make a single dose.

In the first case, there will be no recourse other than scientific research and hope.  In the second, people's survival will be decided by the ultimate cost-benefit analysis, natural selection.  Species bottleneck, only those with the optimal traits (those that allow them to get a piece of the cure) live on.

I suppose you could alternatively up the cancer rates (or something similar) by 1000% or more and watch as sheer volume suffocates a bloated, bad idea of a system.

Any of those three would force a decision.  Until then, the budget is a magic bag of money with no bottom explained away by the miracle of economics.  I say "miracle" because I'd wager the majority of the American populous couldn't pass Econ 101 and has little to no financial experience except for the one time they saw either Wall$treet movie.



Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 31 2013,16:09
That's just it, though, it doesn't matter how much money is in the magic bag.  There are only so many doctors with so much time.  There are only so many MRI machines, so many chemo treatments, so many nurses, so many etc etc to go around.  And there are never anywhere close to enough.

Money can help with some of that, but not all of it.  Even if you had the federal government pay every doctor a salary of $10mil a year in order to get more doctors, it would take a long time to get enough.  And probably not even then, as few people have what it takes to be a good doctor; all you'd really do is make far more bad doctors.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 31 2013,17:33
QUOTE
Even if you had the federal government pay every doctor a salary of $10mil a year in order to get more doctors, it would take a long time to get enough.  And probably not even then, as few people have what it takes to be a good doctor; all you'd really do is make far more bad doctors.

You're right, the gov't would never, ever let < incompetents > make < daily decisions > about things that can have < life-or-death consequences >.  Say hello to your new MDs, folks:



Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2013,08:06
Cheapest Obamacare plan: $20k per family.

< http://cnsnews.com/news....-family >

Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 01 2013,08:50
Interesting choice in their example there, that $120,000 family.  Especially when you consider the average household income in the US is closer to $50,054.

That's average.  So there are a lot of families making well under that mark.  Families that will have to spend every dime if they want to pay for the required bronze plan, and not eat any food, or wear clothes, or pay rent, etc.  They'll be made homeless and starving, but at least they'll have insurance.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 01 2013,09:37
QUOTE
Using the conditions laid out in the regulations, the IRS calculates that a family earning $120,000 per year that did not buy insurance would need to pay a "penalty" (a word the IRS still uses despite the Supreme Court ruling that it is in fact a "tax") of $2,400 in 2016.

Heh.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2013,10:02
I'm keeping my eyes open for more info, because I can't see how it makes any type of sense for anyone to pay for insurance any more, when you can just get it when you need it, since you can't be denied for preexisting conditions.

Makes it difficult to get insurance quickly when you break your leg, I guess, but.... it seems like it will be a lot cheaper to pay the penalty tax than to pay for insurance, even after you pay $50 for each small doctor office visit, like I do now.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2013,10:54
Reading about this on some other page, talking about how Obama's original estimate was going to be a cost of $2,065, they say $20k for the cheapo plan is an order of magnitude off.

One commenter said, "Orders of magnitude are racist."

Another said, " I don't understand the math, just how many underage Dominican hookers is that?"

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 01 2013,11:05
QUOTE
Bronze will be the lowest tier health-insurance plan available under Obamacare--after Silver, Gold, and Platinum. Under the law, the penalty for not buying health insurance is supposed to be capped at either the annual average Bronze premium, 2.5 percent of taxable income, or $2,085.00 per family in 2016.

So, which is it?  I assume the smallest of those three totals?

Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 01 2013,11:36
If so, then only those making over $800,000 would have a 2.5% penalty that is actually higher than the cheapest plan price.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 01 2013,11:43
The more I read it, I can't even figure out if that sentence is talking about three things, two, or one.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 04 2013,12:16
Obama can kill you whenever he wants.  How?  Because fuck you, that's how.

< http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazin....0130131 >

He won the Peace Prize, you know.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 04 2013,12:17
Also, Contraception for a female is now free, and never costs anything, ever, for it to be produced.

< http://minx.cc/?post=337172 >

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 06 2013,08:59
7 million will lose their health insurance.

< http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog....million >

Again, lots of unexplained numbers.  Lose their private insurance, but get more expensive Obamacare?  Who knows.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 06 2013,09:28
QUOTE
CBO said that this year's tax cuts have changed the incentives for businesses and made it less attractive to pay for insurance, meaning fewer will decide to do so. Instead, they'll choose to pay a penalty to the government, totaling $13 billion in higher fees over the next decade.

So it's all about another fucking tax.  The article also calls the Congressional Budget Office "non-partisan," which is just hilarious.

Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 07 2013,06:19
< http://todaynews.today.com/_news....le?lite >

Pretty sure das raciss

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 07 2013,06:32
Sure has some serious forearms.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 07 2013,07:18
QUOTE
HeroBuilders has also created the Anthony Weiner doll, one of the “Rent  Is Too Damn High” candidate in New York, the Balloon Boy’s dad and the Bernie Madoff action figure.

Yeah, they're not opportunistic douchebags.  Surprised they didn't do one for David Petraeus.  In addition, why would a joint called HeroBuilders make a fucking Bernie Madoff action figure?  I mean, I guess he's their hero because he's ripping people off like they only wish they could, but still, wtf?

Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 07 2013,07:47
Every hero needs a villain. Now kids can have their Obama action figure shoot the Madoff action figure's nuts off. Figuratively.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 07 2013,10:03
QUOTE
The Nobel Peace Prize Committee should frame a copy of the DOJ assassination white paper and then hang it on its wall.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 08 2013,10:32
< U.S. health care officially shittier than Croatian system >.
QUOTE
Nora needed to join an experimental treatment program at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP). The family had initially received a bill for $575,000 for the treatment process -- and then was surprised to receive another $262,000 bill for follow-up costs for the next five years, according to the paper.

Those evil, evil greedy bastards.
QUOTE
"As you no shame to take that kind of money ($ 837,224) from a sick child ... how can you be so cruel????!!??????? Shame on you!!!!!! N O R A!!!!!!!!!!!" Davor Marsal Androcec wrote.

Then again, compared to stupid, "greedy" doesn't seem that bad.
QUOTE
After going through this, I will never say anything against our (Croatia's socialized) health system. What they have over there (in the United States) is just terrible.

K, then why doesn't Crotia offer the experimental therapy that may have just saved your daughter's life?  Oh yeah, because their bloated Jabba the Hutt of a socialist death trap health care system can't afford the R+D costs.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 08 2013,11:35
The Social Security Administration just bought 174k rounds of ammo.

< http://www.examiner.com/article....of-ammo >

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 08 2013,11:41
QUOTE
The official explanation for the ammunition is preparation for the possibility of civil unrest during a national emergency, such as a natural disaster, a terrorist attack, or a complete economic collapse.
...
The agencies have purchased hollow point bullets which are designed to expand once they enter their target in order to do the most damage to the victim.

Weird, I could swear the Bloods and Crips prepare for the possibility of civil unrest in the same way.

EDIT:
QUOTE
Back in March, Homeland Security purchased 450 million rounds of .40-caliber hollow point bullets that are designed to expand upon entry and cause maximum organ damage, prompting questions as to why the DHS needed such a large amount of powerful bullets merely for training purposes.

This was followed by another DHS solicitation asking for a further 750 million rounds of assorted bullets, including 357 mag rounds that are able to penetrate walls.

Christ.  Good thing they got funding for all these bullets.  Clearly they're trying to corner the market and keep bullets out of the hands of criminals, also know as "anyone in the U.S. that doesn't work directly for the feds."



Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 08 2013,12:52
Leave aside the breathless journo-crap about "designed to cause maximum organ damage." Hollow-points are the defacto round for handguns. I suppose our armed forces are still not allowed to use them, because of 100-year old prejudices, but regular Joes use them almost exclusively.

THAT SAID...I'm surprised that they're actually saying it's for "civil unrest."

Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 10 2013,17:31
Not sure what to make of < this >

QUOTE
Take a close look at the M-14 rifles the Marines where carrying at Obama’s second inauguration. The bolts have been removed from the rifles rendering them unable to fire a round.


I guess I always assumed the drill teams use "fake" rifles anyway.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 10 2013,17:40
Doubt those dude are the real security.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 10 2013,18:20
I ALWAYS hated standing guard duty in foreign countries without any ammo.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 12 2013,07:04
< Obama gives Congress a raise. >
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 12 2013,07:26
QUOTE
While Obama's order made no mention of merit for such a raise, HuffPost's Amanda Terkel reported on Friday that the 112th Congress is set to end the session as the most unproductive since the 1940s, with only 219 bills passed by the body becoming law.

Still too many.  And fuck the prez.  Must be nice to sign your own pay rise.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 12 2013,10:14
< Pentagon bitches about having to take cuts >.  Yeah, the other businesses and citizens in this country don't know what that's like.  The five-sided building is apparently staffed by self-righteous assholes with an entitlement complex.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 12 2013,10:25
< People in the U.S. who receive food stamps > the entire population of Spain. >

This socialism thing is awesome.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 12 2013,10:30
Racist.
Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 12 2013,10:47

(Leisher @ Feb. 12 2013,13:25)
QUOTE
< People in the U.S. who receive food stamps > the entire population of Spain. >

Just wait til it's the entire population of Mexico. Literally.

Now THAT'S racist.

(i keed, I keed).

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 14 2013,20:21
< TV ratings are racist. >
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 19 2013,10:25
< Taxes and how welfare screws those on it. >
QUOTE
Dan Shaviro of NYU published a study in 1999 showing marginal tax rates above 100% on the working poor; specifically, he illustrated that a single parent earning $10,000 would lose over $2,500, after taxes, by earning another $15,000, pushing her income to $25,000.



Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 19 2013,11:15
QUOTE
You might be thinking that losing a benefit is not a tax. That is an understandable sentiment, but Jane will not be comforted by it.

So?  That doesn't change the fact that there are only two solutions: 1) give everyone those tax breaks no matter how much they make, which would be impossible to pay for, or 2) stop giving out money to people for being poor.  Which one are you (the author of the article) trying to propose here?

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 19 2013,11:52
The even more puzzling bit is why he goes on the marriage rant at the end, although I've often heard political talking heads bitch about the "dissolution or extinction of the family unit" at level near, at, or below poverty.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 19 2013,11:59
Obamacare costs have been revised upwards by 30%.

No one bothers to report it.

< http://www.healthcarebs.com/2013....re-cost >

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 20 2013,10:21
< John Kerry proves he doesn't understand economics >.  Or gov't in general.

QUOTE
“Unfortunately, the State Department doesn’t have our own Grover Norquist pushing a pledge to protect it,” Kerry said at the University of Virginia, in Charlottesville. He added that State, unlike interest groups such as AARP, lacks millions of dues-paying members who unite to rally behind it.

John, you already have millions of dues-paying members, they're called citizens.  They fucking hate you and all your friends.  They don't like you taking more of their money.

QUOTE
As he made his case for the State Department on Wednesday, Kerry told students and faculty at U-Va. that “deploying diplomats today is much cheaper than deploying troops tomorrow; we need to remember that.”

Another reason why they hate you is because you're a retarded fuckwit that's more ready to bend over than a wannabe porn starlet.  Tell me how your diplomacy is toppling the North Korean and Iranian regimes.



Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 20 2013,10:46
< Democrats bitch they can't spend more >.
QUOTE
“This is an unnecessary self-inflicted wound on the United States economy. Congress should come back to Washington to fix the problem,” said Rep. Rob Andrews (D-N.J.), whose district is home to several government contracting firms.

Dude, by staying away from Washington, they are solving the problem.

QUOTE
“The workers were stopping me — members of the United Auto Workers — were asking me, what’s going to happen with their jobs, and what are we doing about the sequester? And I was dumbfounded, because the House isn’t doing anything, we’re on vacation this week,” he said.

Sorry you couldn't guarantee their employment so they couldn't guarantee your reelection.

QUOTE
“Air-traffic controllers will be laid off. This again will have devastating affects on the economy,” she said. “Planes will be slowed down, fewer planes will be able to fly.”

Nothing has decimated or slowed down air travel more than the TSA.  Go fuck yourself because you know you voted those jackbooted low-lives in.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 22 2013,06:57
DHS stole some guy's boat.

< http://uncrunched.com/2013....t-today >

Posted by Leisher on Feb. 22 2013,08:42

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 22 2013,10:27
This election official voted for Obama 6 times.  She can't understand what the problem is, she probably just forgot.

< http://www.nationalreview.com/corner....johnson >



Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 22 2013,10:31
< FAA bureaucrat joins in the chorus > of "Gimme, gimme, gimme, OR ELSE..."
QUOTE
Cutting $1 billion from the Transportation Department would affect dozens of programs, LaHood said. For instance, the vast majority of the FAA's nearly 47,000 employees will face furloughs, he said -- and the largest number of FAA employees are air traffic controllers.

Good.  I want to watch your bloated bullshit burn to the ground and smoulder while I sip a glass of scotch.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 25 2013,10:50
< Obama >: peer pressure the fuck out of the GOP.
QUOTE
With less than a week to go until a wide-ranging package of across-the-board budget cuts is set to kick in, President Obama today entreated the nation's governors to help him convince Congress to compromise on a deal to avert the so-called "sequestration," predicating his plea on the fact that as governors, "you know that compromise is essential to getting things done."

Compromise, noun: What happens when multiple parties reach a consensus on a topic and synthesize several half-assed solutions into one that is almost invariably worse than the sum of its parts or any one plan in particular.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 25 2013,11:21
< Health Care Work Force panel >, created in 2010 hasn't met yet due to lack of funding.  But I'm sure it'll all be ready in time.
QUOTE
Roger J. Moncarz, an economist at the Bureau of Labor Statistics, said that employment in health care occupations was expected to grow by 29 percent, with the addition of 3.5 million new jobs from 2010 to 2020. Federal officials expect 712,000 new jobs for registered nurses — more than for any other occupation in the country — and a total of 1.3 million new jobs for home health and personal care aides, he said.

Edward S. Salsberg, the director of the National Center for Health Workforce Analysis at the Health and Human Services Department, said 57 million people were living in areas with shortages of primary care practitioners.

Yep, no work force gap here.  You'll be getting your checkups done by folks with a "trainee" badge.

Posted by Leisher on Feb. 27 2013,13:42
Heard a funny one today:
"It's ironic that the president is pushing for universal background checks considering he wouldn't pass one."

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 01 2013,08:32




The fact that Maxine Walters is in the position she is in, is all you need to know about the state of American politics.



Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 01 2013,08:41
Reminds me, they going to let the hammer fall on this sequester thing?
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 01 2013,10:20
Looks like it.  Amen.

< Obama places blame on other people >, again.
QUOTE
Asked why leaders did not negotiate more vigorously to get a deal before sequestration deadline day, Obama said that his ability to negotiate is limited by Congress's unwillingness.

"I'm not a dictator," he said. "I'm the president. So ultimately if Mitch McConnell or John Boehner say 'I need to go to catch a plane,' I can't have Secret Service block the doorway, right?"

Make up your own punchline.  Oddly enough, I'm pretty sure Obama could have a drone track both their movements and not be held accountable.

EDIT: < Wait >, the public DOES care what the prez says ... oops.  They're actually just pissed he mixed up a Star Wars reference with Star Trek material.



Posted by GORDON on Mar. 01 2013,10:27
I'm guessing the first thing Obama did when he took office was find and burn Truman's "The Buck Stops Here" sign.

The buck never stops anywhere near his desk any more.  The buck never gets within a mile of the White House.

Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 01 2013,11:25
Are you surprised?  Responsibility is not in the average Democrat's vocabulary.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 01 2013,11:29
When this country collapses, I guarantee no one in Washington will think they did anything incorrectly.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 01 2013,12:50
Unfortunately, there's nothing about your statement that is false Malcolm.
Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 01 2013,13:26
Well, I didn't mean to imply that Republicans take responsibility for their mistakes.  But at least they are aware what the word means.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 01 2013,14:10

(TPRJones @ Mar. 01 2013,15:26)
QUOTE
Well, I didn't mean to imply that Republicans take responsibility for their mistakes.  But at least they are aware what the word means.

I'll believe that when I see them take responsibility for unsuckifying their party and presenting a legitimate alternative come voting time.
Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 01 2013,14:32
Not a chance.

I read < this blog post > today that has a good take on their problem.  I don't see them overcoming that as a collective group until the current leadership is gone and has been replaced by people who are currently barely old enough to drink.



Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 01 2013,15:54
I think the dude's reaching when he starts talking about the modern limiting factor.
QUOTE
...the shortage is not good ideas – it's minds capable of executing good ideas.
...
The problem is that bringing even one of his ideas to fruition takes years of effort. …and not just years of anyone's effort, but years of effort by one or more people with

   high intelligence
   high executive function
   strong self discipline

That's true of any time whatsoever.  He's describing the "right" people to run shit.  If only we could find the elusive "right" people.  He's got a bit of a point in the way he divides up eras, though, because the era in which you live defines who is "right."  

Back in the day, you wanted someone to govern you who could talk to the mysterious Rain God so he'd mercifully piss on your crops and make them grow, or the Tiger God so he'd tell the tigers not to maul you.  Because famine and random death by animal both really get in the way of living.  Then it became someone who could protect you from the other rampaging assholes that lived outside your community, as well as the ones in it.  Once those pricks are out of the way or all think like you, you can get back to dealing with the nature of existence and other cosmic bullshit.  It's gradually evolved to "dude that can maximize my spending power."  Fuck praying to god when you can pray to the almighty dollar.  You can use it to help you deal with the people that are stopping you from getting to know the universe and really enjoy life.

The means of generating currency and getting along is no longer the domain of war or communing with the gods (although douchebags like Pat Robertson would have you believe otherwise on that second one).  It's no mistake that most world leaders today are either: (i) military dudes (still worried about invaders), (ii) religious nutjobs (still worried about supernatural beings), (iii) business owners (worried about money), (iv) lawyers (worried about maintaining society itself)

The plight of the governed has changed as well, which is always what forces the revolution.  They used to poke things with sharp sticks, then moved on to farming, then the manufacturing or service world, and now it's getting to be more electronics and digital goods.  When the plugged in generation finally comes of age in the voting and consumer world, they'll want other people in power.  The problem is that the up and coming generation is continuously fucked with by the status quo seeking to maintain it's increasingly mummified grip on things and prevent the new crowd from coming to their own conclusions.  

But revolution always comes, that's just math.



Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 01 2013,16:39
I agree overall.  I do think our limiting factor will be people, but I think he's going a little far with it in his requirements.  Really it's probably better to say that our limiting factor will be initiative.  Anyone with the gumption to get off their ass and do something with some persistence will have a reasonable chance of being successful - provided of course they are actually working with the modern era instead of against it and aren't too stupid to spit.  You can hire smart people to figure out your problems and you can hire leaders to manage and inspire your people, but the big boss is the one that has to have some motivation to work and succeed and push or it will never get off the ground.

Initiative has always been a limiting factor, of course, just in the past it wasn't the primary one.  And we still do have some technological and resource limitations, but they are nothing compared to past eras and those limits get pushed further out every year.  They aren't going to be the main limiting factor like initiative will be.  Like it already is for the new industries firmly rooted in the information age.

But the reason I brought it up here is mainly because I liked his analysis of Republicans and Democrats, which I will go ahead and quote here:

QUOTE
The Republicans want to bring back small towns and white-painted churches, because when those things were ascendant all was right in the world.

The Democrats want to bring big cities and big industry, because when those things were ascendant all was right in the world.

And so the Republicans shovel money at farmers, endorse prayer in school, and tell us to worship our heroes fighting for manifest destiny, and the Democrats shovel money at unionized teachers, endorse government run mass transit, and tell us to worship dense urban living.

Both are behind the times, so neither can provide any workable solutions to modern problems.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 02 2013,12:52
< Damn, those grapes are sour >.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 02 2013,12:54
Oh no, how will we ever survive if the government shrinks down to what it was last year?
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 04 2013,10:16
< Bitch in charge of Homeland security issues thinly veiled insult >.
QUOTE
But Napolitano said the problems were real.

"Look, people, I don't mean to scare, I mean to inform. If you're traveling, get to the airport earlier than you otherwise would," she said. "And please don't yell at the Customs officers or the TSA officers - they are not responsible for the sequester."

Yes, you are.  And yes, they are.  Had you fucking shit-producing assholes not been suckling at the gov't titty for over a decade, this wouldn't even be a problem.  Your fucking department shouldn't exist.  The fact you see dime one is a mistake.  God forbid someone take their toothpaste on to a plane.  At this point, I'd rather deal with the terrorists doing a hijacking in situ than see one TSA agent ever again.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 04 2013,10:24
< Testicle-less Biden issues statement about Iran >.
QUOTE
"We're not looking for war. We're ready to negotiate peacefully. But all options including military force are on the table," said Biden.
...
He further noted that it is "important that the world is with us if we have to act."

So, you're going to do nothing except more sanctions ... again?



Posted by GORDON on Mar. 04 2013,10:25
Biden better watch out... they could organize a coalition of 40 different countries and the media will claim Bush is GOING IT ALONE.  Err, I mean Obama.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 04 2013,20:06
2700 LAVs to go with the 1.6 billion rounds of ammo.

< http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013....ockpile >

So.

When does anyone ask why?

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 05 2013,07:24
Maybe DHS has finally realized how much people hate them and they're planning to go Waco.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 05 2013,09:31

(Malcolm @ Mar. 05 2013,10:24)
QUOTE
Maybe DHS has finally realized how much people hate them and they're planning to go Waco.

DHS is, essentially, a federal military organization with a mission of focusing on Americans in America.  They aren't the federal police, that's the FBI.  They aren't the military.  The military has a very ingrained sense of "Follow orders, but only LEGAL ones."  This means most of them aren't turning guns on the peeps in their hometown.

And now the DHS has more military assets than 90% of the other countries in the world.

Again, I'd love to see the media asking "why?" a little bit more.

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 05 2013,09:47

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 05 2013,10:31
< Legal basis for killing people grudgingly revealed ... in part >.  Donkeys need some douchebag in as CIA director, so they're making like they're giving something up...
QUOTE
With a committee vote set for a closed session beginning at 2:30 p.m., senators will get access to all Justice Department legal opinions on the targeted killing of Americans, the committee’s Democratic chairwoman, Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, said in a statement.

Oh, that bitch.

QUOTE
Christopher E. Anders, senior legislative counsel at the American Civil Liberties Union, called the promised disclosures “an important first baby step towards restoring the checks and balances between Congress and the president” but said they were not enough.

“Amazingly, the Obama administration continues to hide at least some of its legal opinions, even from the intelligence committees,” Mr. Anders said. He said all members of Congress should have access to the memos on targeted killings and that redacted copies should be made public.

Good thing we're working towards something we ought to have already.

Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 05 2013,10:35
Government "by the people" is impossible when that government can keep relevant and important secrets from those people.  This is just more evidence of politicians shitting all over the idea of democracy on a daily basis in Washington.

Is there really anything left to fight for in Washington anymore?

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 05 2013,10:58
"The most transparent administration in history."
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 13 2013,07:11
< "The most transparent administration in history." >

Those are his words.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 13 2013,07:55
QUOTE
The AP’s analysis also found that the government generally took longer to answer requests. Some agencies, such as the Health and Human Services Department, took less time than the previous year to turn over files. But at the State Department, for example, even urgent requests submitted under a fast-track system covering breaking news or events when a person’s life was at stake took an average two years to wait for files.

What was that, John Kerry?  You want more money for the State Department because of it's stellar job performance?

QUOTE
In a year of intense public interest over deadly U.S. drones, the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, terror threats and more, the government cited national security to withhold information at least 5,223 times — a jump over 4,243 such cases in 2011 and 3,805 cases in Obama’s first year in office.

The gov't tosses around "national security" like Chappelle trumpeted, "I plead the fifth, F-I-F, fifth!"

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 13 2013,10:37
< Former VA suit claims superior told him to lie >.
QUOTE
Among a laundry list of claims that Coughlin will tell a House oversight committee Wednesday are that he was warned by a superior not to include data in his study that could have helped establish a link between so-called "burn pits" in Iraq and asthma and bronchitis among veterans.  Such a link could put the VA on the hook for costly medical treatments.

Why does the military continue to follow orders from a gov't who continually skullfucks them after they return from every fucking combat zone?

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 13 2013,11:07
Because what is the alternative.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 13 2013,11:42
White House stops public tours.  Blames republicans and the sequester.

Donald Trump offers to fund the tours.

< White House says no. >

But remember... it isn't about politics.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 13 2013,12:14

(GORDON @ Mar. 13 2013,13:07)
QUOTE
Because what is the alternative.

Uh ... not listening to the dudes that skullfuck them?
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 13 2013,12:37

(GORDON @ Mar. 13 2013,13:42)
QUOTE
White House stops public tours.  Blames republicans and the sequester.

Donald Trump offers to fund the tours.

< White House says no. >

But remember... it isn't about politics.

QUOTE
“The Donald Trump option is not an option — what we have to do is deal with the sequester,” Pfeiffer said on CNN on Tuesday.

I wouldn't take Trump's money, either.  Taking money from crazy is never a good idea.

But on the flip side this is like bitching that since the price of gas has gone up five cents since last year, so you'll have to stick to buying a mere four Faberge eggs instead of five.  The cost of running tours in the White House is infinitesimal compared to the cost of all the freebies the first family gets.  Wish I could take multimillion dollar Hawaiian vacations and fly to my private beach on my private jet.

QUOTE
“It doesn’t work that way; we can’t have private individuals paying the Secret Service — so that’s not how it works,” Pfeiffer said on CNN. “This is about a very tough budget cut that the Secret Service has to take because of the sequester. It’s why we should have avoided the sequester to begin with.”

A. Yeah, because their paycheck is probably the only reason they aren't punching you in the dick right now.  I'm sure the Secret Service has never cushioned their budget or spent allotted cash wastefully.  < Forced to cut $80M plus > from an organization that had $1.1B in funding as of 2011?  Yeah, that 8% cut must be rough.  Maybe the DHS could buy fewer assault vehicles and ammo and kick some of that cash over to the SS.  Better yet, maybe the DHS could just dissolve and give all $60B of their money back.  Stop bitching you assholes don't have enough of a budget when all you've done since post-WWII economic times is spend more.

B. Your entire administration can go suck it because they're using gun control the same way Dubyah used gay marriage.  Had you not been so concerned with less important bullshit, maybe you could have had a couple extra weeks to cut a deal in Congress.

C. I'm firmly of the opinion that the administration wanted the cuts because they get to play the same blame card they play every fucking time and mention it in every sound byte.

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 14 2013,08:45
Blaming the end of White House tours on the Secret Service... can we just start calling this guy President Not-My-Fault?

Later I will post the email we received saying my kid's white house tour for April has been cancelled.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 14 2013,10:20
< Biden makes journalism student delete pictures >.
QUOTE
The student, a reporter at Capital News Service, a news organization run by the university, took photos of Biden at a domestic violence event in Rockville, Maryland, while outside of the designated press area.

National security, I'm sure.

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2013,06:33
White House will not acknowledge the questions of Obama's expensive golf vacations during the sequester.

< http://washingtonexaminer.com/white-h....2524677 >

QUOTE
“How does the president justify lavish vacations and a golf trip to Florida at taxpayer expense and does he plan to cut back on his travel?” a reporter from Colorado asked after noting the high unemployment rate among minorities and the furloughs that federal employees face under sequester.

“I can tell you that this president is focused every day on policies that create economic growth and help advance job creation,” Carney replied. “We certainly do not need to embrace economic policies that shift the entire burden of deficit reduction on senior citizens, middle class families, and Medicare recipients.”


Would love to see a reporter actually press the person for an answer.  But, one would not want to be banned from the press pool.  One would regret it.

Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 19 2013,07:52
< Hah >
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2013,08:54
"I just voted for him because he was black."

Peeps is so stupid it makes me wonder if they changed the questioner's question for the video clip to make it funnier.

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2013,11:45
< Congressman says DHS must explain why they need all those weapons and ammo. >
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2013,11:50
< Say goodbye to your family doctor. >
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 21 2013,10:20
< Joe Biden pulls his best Helen Lovejoy >.
QUOTE
"Three months ago, a deranged man walked into Sandy Hook Elementary with a weapon of war," he said. "Let's get this straight. This is not about anybody's constitutional right to own a weapon. For all those who say we shouldn't and can't ban assault weapons - for all those who say the politics is too hard, how can they say that?... When you take a look at those 20 beautiful babies and what happened to them? And those six teachers and administrators?"

You may as well be fucking their corpses through the bullet holes, Joe.

Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 21 2013,10:28
If the AR-15 is a "weapon of war"---then why do the cops all have them? Who are they at war with? Why is it called an "assault weapon" if I want one, but a "patrol rifle" when a cop wants one?
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 21 2013,10:32
QUOTE
Who are they at war with?

The criminals who are only held back by the incorruptible and not at all powertripping thin blue line.  You aren't on the side of the criminals, are you, law abiding citizen?

QUOTE
Why is it called an "assault weapon" if I want one, but a "patrol rifle" when a cop wants one?

I'm sure the strict standards for admission and top notch training doled out by today's police academies magically transform it from a weapon of war (you know, in evil non-cop hands) to a weapon of justice.  Stop hating justice.



Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 21 2013,10:42
< CVS requires personal info from employees or docks their pay >.  Blames health care bullshit.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 21 2013,11:32
Hey, if the government can force you to do shit for healthcare, why not an employer?
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 21 2013,12:01
QUOTE
“Rising health care costs are killing the economy, and businesses are terrified,” Peel added. “Now, we’re all in this terrible situation where employers are desperate to get rid of workers who have costly health conditions, like obesity and diabetes.”
...
The company has dubbed the request “a health screening and wellness review so that colleagues know their key health metrics in order to take action to improve their numbers, if necessary.”

That bold part is mine because it probably translates into "force them to quit or lay them off."  It will become less profitable to work than it is already, unless you follow the "health guidelines" laid out by your employer.  This shit is voluntary in the same way that "40 pieces of flair" is voluntary at the chain restaurant from Office Space.  

I assume they'll be requesting DNA samples from you and your spouse before you start having children.  Can't have any chromosome deficiencies draining the corporate insurance money pool.



Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 25 2013,11:48
< IRS totally not wasting its cash on stupid training videos >.
QUOTE
The video was made for a 2010 conference training IRS agents on finding tax evaders. Also produced for the conference was a skit parodying "Gilligan's Island." Both cost around $60,000 to produce.

So, each hammer used to nail the set pieces together cost, what, $500?

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 26 2013,18:08
< $12 billion in, and no high speed trains, yet.  Or rails. >
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 26 2013,19:09

(GORDON @ Mar. 26 2013,20:08)
QUOTE
< $12 billion in, and no high speed trains, yet.  Or rails. >

< Given waivers for environmental laws >.  California -- the green state, unless we need to get shit done, then to hell with it.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2013,10:21
< http://www.usnews.com/opinion....-budget >
QUOTE
...the reason the Democrats avoided a budget for four years is that when Americans see their spending priorities, it makes the politics tougher for vulnerable Democrats.

Heh.

QUOTE
...they (the U.S. voters) do not want their Medicare or Social Security benefits touched. Despite the fact that mandatory spending is eating away at a larger and larger percent of the federal budget...

I'm almost praying for the next major crisis to hit so both those bloated systems crumble under their own bureaucracy.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2013,10:23
< We will not enforce laws we don't like >.  Granted, this particular law is pretty fucking stupid, but still.
QUOTE
Under questioning, Principal Deputy Solicitor General Sri Srinivasan said he couldn't give the court an "algorithm" on when the Justice Department would decide not to defend a law.

Wtf?

Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 27 2013,13:17
Well, to play Devil's Advocate (phrasing!), here's my take on that:
1. It's a pretty common principle < already >
2. Done wrong, it's < anarcho-tyranny >
3. Done right, it's checks and balances

On the whole...meh. Imagine if they TRIED to prosecute every violation of every federal law.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2013,13:30
If the laws on the books aren't enforced, what's the point of putting them there in the first place?

QUOTE
"we refuse to control real criminals (that's the anarchy) so we control the innocent (that's the tyranny)."

Heh.  Describes the U.S. legal system damn near perfectly.



Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 27 2013,14:50
Or, as The Mad Russian put it:

QUOTE
Did you really think we want those laws observed? said Dr. Ferris. We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with. ('Atlas Shrugged' 1957)

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2013,15:17
QUOTE
We're after power and we mean it...

"...he said, twirling his thin, curly, and overly long cephalopod of a mustache while thinking of another way to stop that damn James Bond."  That sort of black and white allegory is rather over the top for me.  Are there douchebags who do that?  Oh yeah.  There are plenty of other reasons you might want to impose your will on people, though.

Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 27 2013,17:55
Interesting that you mentioned James Bond, because She was a HUGE fan of the novels. She even like the first movie; hated the rest.

Also, somebody pointed out that her writing style was REALLY micromanaging of characters...almost like stage or screen directions. But then, She began her writing career as a screenriter...

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 27 2013,18:30
You're capitalizing the pronoun for... Ayn Rand?
Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 28 2013,05:34
PBUH
Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 28 2013,05:35
Back to Obama:
< 110,197,000 Venereal Infections in U.S.; Nation Creating New STIs Faster Than New Jobs or College Grads >

I figure if they can blame/credit the President for the economy, why not other types of Exchanges?

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 28 2013,07:15

(thibodeaux @ Mar. 28 2013,07:34)
QUOTE
PBUH

Ceterum censeo Ayn Rand esse delendam.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 28 2013,11:07

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 28 2013,11:22
Deputy commish?  Who the fuck ever notices those dudes?
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 28 2013,12:14

(Malcolm @ Mar. 28 2013,14:22)
QUOTE
Deputy commish?  Who the fuck ever notices those dudes?

The senators that he pays off.
Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 31 2013,07:01
< ‘Dudes of Juicy Couture,’ Left shocked Obamacare is costing them work hours >
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 31 2013,08:53
QUOTE
Further, we were told we’re only eligible for paid time off in case we’re sick or have other responsibilities if we work 1400 hours in one year. We did the math, and realized part-time workers reach that at 21 hours per week.

Umm.  Maybe if you hadn't failed math, you wouldn't be at Juicy Couture.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 31 2013,09:54
I missed the part where their contract tethered them to this one job for the rest of their lives.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 02 2013,06:06
< Obama booed at NCAA tourney game in DC. >
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 03 2013,06:53

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 08 2013,20:11

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 09 2013,08:54
Obama went and stood on the graves of the Newton kids, and then accused the other side of political grandstanding.
 
It's just... insane.  Absolutely insane.

< http://www.jammiewf.com/2013....-stunts >

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 10 2013,08:04
< Obama holding a blues concert in the White House. >

Meanwhile, White House tours and other programs are still canceled because we "can't afford them". Oh, and he also recently golfed with Tiger Woods.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 10 2013,08:16
You're just trying to make it all political.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 11 2013,06:20
< Unemployment rates are higher than reported. >
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 11 2013,08:23
Economy: Kinda sucks

Unless you're in IT.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 12 2013,10:22
< U.S. is being run well >.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 12 2013,10:40
The headline threw me until I saw that it was a CNN poll.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 15 2013,12:49
< Russians think the U.S. has become communist. >
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 15 2013,13:02
< Duh.... >

QUOTE
The truth, which no one wanted or wants to hear, is that communism is as American as apple pie. Communism is a form of American liberalism, or progressivism. It is not, as so many anti-communists liked to suggest, an exotic foreign import. When imported from exotic lands, it's because we exported it there in the first place. In America it may speak with a Russian accent; in Russia, it speaks with an American accent.

By the 1930s, communism with a strong Protestant flavor had become the dominant religion of American high society - the wealthiest and most fashionable Americans.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 17 2013,10:13
< Ricin sent to Obama and Republican senator. >
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 17 2013,10:21
Maybe.
QUOTE
Some threatening letters simply contain ground castor beans, resulting in a positive field test for ricin without the concentrated poison. Results from full laboratory tests are expected in the next 24 to 48 hours.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 17 2013,10:25
Still a crime, and I think the article mentions that they already have a suspect.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 17 2013,10:54
< Obama lied about drones. >
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 17 2013,10:55
Any fucking idiot can grow a castor beans, grind them up, and sprinkle them to set off a positive ricin test.
QUOTE
Other senators were made aware of the Wicker letter during a briefing Tuesday evening on the bombing in Boston. Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., said that the person who sent Wicker the letter writes often to elected officials.

Sounds like the suspect may indeed be a fucking idiot, which is fortunate.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 18 2013,07:45
Does anyone else find it hilarious that Obama is ranting that the NRA lied about the failed gun control bill while Obamacare is sitting out there like the biggest elephant in the room ever?

How the guy can say shit like that and not break character is beyond me. He deserves an Oscar.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 18 2013,07:47
This legislation he is pushing is impressive, considering it would not have stopped any of the recent school shootings.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 18 2013,07:53
Legislation hasn't been about "stopping things" in a long time.  It's all about "doing more," even if "more" isn't needed, practical, useful, or even close to a solution.  Even if "more" causes more problems.  Especially if it causes more problems, because then ... more legislation.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 18 2013,07:56
Yeah, I like my local school system.  They sit back and let government officials be retarded, and take actual useful steps to keep their campus safe.

We had a lockdown just last week when some homeless dude with a backpack wandered into the campus from the street (which is strange considering it is out in the corn fields, and there are maybe 20 houses within a 1 mile radius).  My kid described him as a "hobo."

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 18 2013,08:07
"Why Obama is impotent."

< http://www.nationaljournal.com/columns....0130418 >

Since the legislation did not pass, anyone think he will just start making executive orders, like he has done in the past?

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 18 2013,08:53
He might try, but then he's guaranteed to get precisely 0 votes from any Congressional Republican afterwards, regardless of the issue.  I'm far more concerned about background checks for pressure cookers, ball bearings, and nails.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 18 2013,10:16

(Leisher @ Apr. 17 2013,12:13)
QUOTE
< Ricin sent to Obama and Republican senator. >

< Idiot located >.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 18 2013,10:18
< Republicans bitch out HHS Department > about lack of info for Obamacare.  Oh wait, I meant "Democratic Senate Finance Committee Chair Max Baucus" instead of "Republicans."


Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 18 2013,10:43
Fucking priceless.
< FDA: Give us more funding because we're "a bargain" and we provide invaluable services >.
< DEA holding unused prescription drug turn-in day >.
QUOTE
Rates of prescription drug abuse in the United States are alarmingly high, as are the number of accidental poisonings and overdoses due to these drugs.

Doesn't prescription drug abuse outstrip street drugs now?  Isn't that an indication that both these above agencies should be gutted and dismantled?

Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 18 2013,13:51
Friend of mine posted on facebook today that the NRA, which is totally a tool of the gun manufacturers, bullied the senate into not passing background checks. I was giving him such a hard time about this that he deleted the post. So in case you see this logic somewhere else, here's what you point out:

1. All new gun sales go through federal firearms license (FFL) dealers
2. Which means that they require a background check, and have since the Brady Bill in the 90s
3. So...why do the manufacturers care?

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 22 2013,11:46
< Say hello to more taxes >.
QUOTE
White House spokesman Jay Carney says the Senate bill would level the playing field for small businesses and brick-and-mortar retailers that are undercut by online companies.

Funny.  I think that everyone in Congress should redistribute their assets and resources to their constituents, you know, to level the playing field.

QUOTE
Carney says that governors and mayors have overwhelmingly told the White House the bill is needed. He says states are losing out on revenue that could go to education corruption, law enforcement kickbacks, infrastructure investments bribes and health care pork-barrel legislation.

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 22 2013,15:22
It won't pass, or if it does it'll just be another thing that can't be effectively enforced.  There's no way for small retailers to keep up with all the different jurisdictions, and there's no way for law enforcement to go after all the small retailers.

A reasonable version would have online retailers pay the taxes of their local municipality for all sales regardless of where the customer is and be done with it.  But that would be too reasonable.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 22 2013,15:40
Didnt the IRS just ramp up ten thousand new enforcement agents?
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 22 2013,16:39

(TPRJones @ Apr. 22 2013,18:22)
QUOTE
It won't pass, or if it does it'll just be another thing that can't be effectively enforced.  There's no way for small retailers to keep up with all the different jurisdictions, and there's no way for law enforcement to go after all the small retailers.

A reasonable version would have online retailers pay the taxes of their local municipality for all sales regardless of where the customer is and be done with it.  But that would be too reasonable.

Retailers under $1M are exempt.

According to an article in the WSJ, IRS has fewer agents these days due to sequestration (thus, lower audit chances).

As I understand it, new tax bureaucracy would be setup to enforce this.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 22 2013,17:44
As of July of last year the IRS was hiring 16k more auditors to cover Obamacare, but of course that was pre-sequester.

< http://www.creganco.com/blog.php?id=14 >

< http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Gov....-Agents >

Speaking of Obamacare, is it becoming a complete clusterfuck, or what?  I keep hearing how the exchanges are not being set up because no one has a clue what the law says to do with them.



Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 22 2013,17:56
QUOTE
As of July of last year the IRS was hiring 16k more auditors to cover Obamacare, but of course that was pre-sequester.

QUOTE
As I understand it, new tax bureaucracy would be setup to enforce this.

Yep, nothing says "saving money" like "more auditors" and "new tax bureaucracy."

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 23 2013,10:24

(Malcolm @ Apr. 18 2013,12:18)
QUOTE
< Republicans bitch out HHS Department > about lack of info for Obamacare.  Oh wait, I meant "Democratic Senate Finance Committee Chair Max Baucus" instead of "Republicans."

< Max Baucus to retire >.
QUOTE
As recently as Friday, aides to Mr. Baucus indicated that he had no intention of retiring. He had amassed a $5 million campaign treasury and was in New York last week meeting with donors. His votes against gun legislation promoted by President Obama and against the Democratic leadership’s budget plan seemed calculated to appeal to conservative voters in his state.

But those votes isolated Mr. Baucus from other members of the Senate Democratic Caucus in ways reminiscent of 2001, when he infuriated Democrats by working with President George W. Bush to pass a 10-year, $1.35 trillion tax cut.

This week, over Mr. Baucus’s fierce opposition and without the Finance Committee’s imprimatur, Democratic leaders forced Internet sales tax legislation to the Senate floor. Montana is one of four states without a sales tax, and Mr. Baucus has tried to rally opposition to the Internet bill, which is championed by Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the Senate’s No. 2 Democrat.

No word yet as to how hard his ass hit the pavement after being thrown out, or how far he slid after impact.

Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 24 2013,06:11

(Malcolm @ Apr. 18 2013,13:16)
QUOTE

(Leisher @ Apr. 17 2013,12:13)
QUOTE
< Ricin sent to Obama and Republican senator. >

< Idiot located >.

< Ooops >
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 24 2013,07:08
Someone managed to get copies of the letters he sent and then tried to mimic the details.  That list of suspects ought to be short.


Posted by GORDON on Apr. 25 2013,04:43
Lawmakers want to be exempt from having to join Obamacare.

< http://www.politico.com/story....10.html >

QUOTE
There is concern in some quarters that the provision requiring lawmakers and staffers to join the exchanges, if it isn’t revised, could lead to a “brain drain” on Capitol Hill, as several sources close to the talks put it.

The problem stems from whether members and aides set to enter the exchanges would have their health insurance premiums subsidized by their employer — in this case, the federal government. If not, aides and lawmakers in both parties fear that staffers — especially low-paid junior aides — could be hit with thousands of dollars in new health care costs, prompting them to seek jobs elsewhere.


.... because it is too fucking expensive.

Fuck you assholes so hard.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 25 2013,07:24
Fucking hilarious.  But wait, there is dissent in the room...
QUOTE
However, the idea of exempting lawmakers and aides from the exchanges has its detractors, including Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), a key Obamacare architect. Waxman thinks there is confusion about the content of the law. The Affordable Care Act, he said, mandates that the federal government will still subsidize and provide health plans obtained in the exchange. There will be no additional cost to lawmakers and Hill aides, he contends.

He said, presumably while waving his hands and chanting to some unknown primordial god of finance.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 26 2013,13:45
< Obama doesn't like warrants. >
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 26 2013,16:08
So, the government says "don't worry, the government won't prosecute you for this illegal activity we want you to do".  How convenient.  And pathetic.

How can anyone still have any respect for the federal government at this point?

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 27 2013,12:01

(Malcolm @ Apr. 24 2013,09:08)
QUOTE
Someone managed to get copies of the letters he sent and then tried to mimic the details.  That list of suspects ought to be short.

< From Elvis impersonator to insane martial arts dude >.  

QUOTE
On Tuesday and Wednesday, federal agents searched Mr. Dutschke’s home and his former taekwondo school, Tupelo Takewondo Plus. James D. Moore, the prosecuting attorney for Lee County, said that evidence had been found but would not characterize its nature.

Emphasis mine.  "Takewondo" is a nonsense word that sounds like it belongs in a post-WWI swing or jazz song.  The Wu-Tang clan knows more about Oriental culture than this dude.



Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 30 2013,10:31
< Psycho bitches she can't get more cash >, but assures us everything is fine.
QUOTE
At another hearing she told how "we were incredibly disappointed that our requests for additional outreach and education resources were not made available," referring to a request for $949 million more to help set up the federal exchanges.

Yeah, sorry we didn't want to spend another billion dollars.  But since we do that shit like it buys a pack of gum, go ahead.

QUOTE
In any case, HHS managed to find the money, and more — $1.5 billion in total — by shifting money around and using some unspent implementation funds.

Convenient how that cash was just lying around.  Kind of implies you shouldn't be bitching about lack of funds in the first place.

Posted by Malcolm on May 02 2013,10:18
< Another bullshit appointment >.
QUOTE
The episode illustrates the two sides of expectations for Mr. Wheeler, 67 years old, an Obama fundraiser who formerly represented cable and wireless companies in Washington.

Good to know that Corruption is still the only major party that ever gets elected anymore.

Posted by Malcolm on May 04 2013,12:20
< Gov't still doing biz with incompetent contractors >.
QUOTE
news has emerged that defence contractor QinetiQ suffered a massive breach of classified data over three years which may have leaked advanced military secrets to the infamous PLA-linked hacking gang Comment Crew
...
QinetiQ was apparently first notified of an intrusion back in 2007, when an agent from the Naval Criminal Investigative Service warned that two employees working at the firm’s US HQ in McLean, Virginia, had their laptops compromised
...
Even when NASA warned the firm that it was being attacked by hackers from one of QinetiQ’s computers the firm apparently continued to treat incidents in isolation
...
It is claimed that QinetiQ didn’t operate a two-factor authentication system, which could have prevented the hackers logging on with the stolen passwords
...
Investigators also found in 2008 that QinetiQ’s corporate network could be accessed using unsecured Wi-Fi from a car park outside a facility in Waltham, Massachusetts, the report claimed
...
As if the persistent hacking incursions weren’t enough, investigators brought in to help apparently made matters worse by arguing with each other.  Then software installed by HBGary [technology security company] to monitor for malicious activity wouldn’t function properly and was deleted by many employees because it apparently used too much processing power.  The investigators even found evidence that Russian hackers had been stealing QinetiQ secrets for over two years through a compromised PC belonging to a secretary.

My router is more secure than this.  My VPN login to work is more secure than this.



Posted by GORDON on May 06 2013,05:49
Obamacare needs more money or it is going to be "a trainwreck."

< http://thehill.com/homenew....n-wreck >

Posted by Malcolm on May 06 2013,07:17
QUOTE
“Max said unless we implement this properly it’s going to be a train wreck, and I agree with him,” Reid said, echoing a warning delivered last month by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.).

Wonder how long it's going to be before Harry Reid gets "retired."
QUOTE
Republicans bitch out HHS Department about lack of info for Obamacare.  Oh wait, I meant "Democratic Senate Finance Committee Chair Max Baucus" instead of "Republicans."


QUOTE
“Here’s what we have now, we have the menu but we don’t have any way to get to the menu,” Reid said.

Are you running a fucking restaurant?

QUOTE
Many lawmakers were not familiar with its details when they voted on it, and then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) famously declared that Congress needed to pass the law to find out what was in it.

Every time I think gov't can do good, I just think of her, then reality sets in.



Posted by TPRJones on May 06 2013,07:29
QUOTE
...he’s determined he’s going to take money from some of the other things that he feels are less important in the healthcare bill and put it on letting you and others know what’s in the bill...

Seriously?  Dude, just post something to your goddamn whitehouse website and call it done.  The lack of magical money appearing from thin air to pay for this mess is already a number one problem, and you want to divert a portion of what little you do have to pay for marketing this mess?

Posted by Malcolm on May 06 2013,08:03
QUOTE
...you want to divert a portion of what little you do have to pay for marketing this mess?

I totally say let him do it.  Let's toss the defense budget into it as well.

Posted by Malcolm on May 08 2013,11:48
< Eric Cantor self-deludes >.
QUOTE
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor just tweeted: “It just keeps getting worse. I am scheduling a vote for next week on the full repeal of #Obamacare.”

I've got a better chance of winning the lottery and getting some cash from that Nigerian prince that keeps e-mailing me.

Posted by Malcolm on May 08 2013,11:52
< Wiretappin' like it's going out of style >.
QUOTE
FBI general counsel Andrew Weissmann, according to the New York Times, was quick to note in a statement that the updated policies would not "create any new legal surveillance authority."
...
An earlier proposal would have required companies that offer Internet-based communication to build a wiretapping capacity into their services, but a revised proposal would simply levy fines on companies that do not comply with wiretap orders, the Times reports.

Yep.  No more surveillance authority.  Just more authority to punish those that don't help you encroach on everyone's privacy.  Go fuck yourself, Andrew, go fuck yourself, FBI, and go fuck yourself, White House.



Posted by TPRJones on May 08 2013,11:59
If Cantor's got any balls, then when this comes up he'll ignore the idiotic "rules" that allow a mere threat of a filibuster to stop business and just push through the vote anyway.  He might pull it off that way, if the Dems aren't fast enough to realize what is happening and actually get going with a real traditional filibuster.

That agreement about a threat of a filibuster being the same as an actual filibuster is about the stupidest thing Congress ever did, which is saying something.  It essentially makes all votes into 2/3rd votes.



Posted by Leisher on May 10 2013,13:26

Posted by Leisher on May 10 2013,13:32
< Elephants right about Benghazi? >

You know something is behind it if Yahoo is willing to post a negative article about this administration.

Posted by thibodeaux on May 10 2013,14:27
Too many sailors
Posted by Malcolm on May 10 2013,15:34
Nixon still looks like a fucking bridge troll that should be giving shit to billy goats or something.

EDIT: Still better than Jimmy Carter's picture that looks like someone silly-puttied a high school chess club president's face onto a generic Navy dress photo.



Posted by thibodeaux on May 10 2013,15:51

(Malcolm @ May 10 2013,18:34)
QUOTE
EDIT: Still better than Jimmy Carter's picture that looks like someone silly-puttied a high school chess club president's face onto a generic Navy dress photo.

I'm guessing it's his Academy pic, so....yeah pretty much:

< http://millercenter.org/president/carter/essays/biography/2 >

QUOTE
n 1941, he graduated as class valedictorian of his tiny high school....Carter was admitted to Annapolis in 1943 and graduated in the top ten percent of his class in August 1946, just after the end of the war.

Posted by Leisher on May 13 2013,21:58
< Obama administration illegally obtained phone records for reporters. >
Posted by TPRJones on May 14 2013,06:07
QUOTE
These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period...

Well, yeah, I'm sure that's the point.  There's undoubtedly some sort of leak or something that someone is investigating, and figured gathering up all the AP phone records would be one way to get at it.

Posted by Leisher on May 14 2013,06:56
Speaking of Obama and reporters...

I saw this on FB, and wondered if it was true:


So I did some digging, and as it turns out, it's pretty accurate.

During my research, I found < this article > that basically chastises these agencies for not revealing their ties to this, or any, administration.

Posted by thibodeaux on May 14 2013,07:36
I doubt if this is something that is specific to the Obama administration. It's probably more just what you'd expect given that the country is really run by the "Cathedral": a decentralized network of Brahmins in the universities, press, and government. That's who these people are. Important, Smart, Good People who come from good families and go to the right schools, and go on to Change The World. So naturally they work in the press or government.
Posted by Leisher on May 14 2013,07:45
QUOTE
I doubt if this is something that is specific to the Obama administration.


Yeah, I know. The article talks about other people's ties to the Bush admin, and honestly, who can't simply assume that folks know each other? Odds are politicians are going to know people in the media.

My point is that certain ties should be disclosed. A good example of this is how MSN used to disclose that they were owned by Microsoft whenever they did a report on Microsoft or other tech issues.

Posted by Malcolm on May 14 2013,07:58
QUOTE
Important, Smart, Good People who come from good families and go to the right schools, and go on to Change The World.

Hmm.  So that's why I hate the world.

Posted by thibodeaux on May 14 2013,08:24

(Leisher @ May 14 2013,10:45)
QUOTE
A good example of this is how MSN used to disclose that they were owned by Microsoft whenever they did a report on Microsoft or other tech issues.

Who doesn't know that the "MicroSoft Network" is owned by "MicroSoft?"
Posted by Malcolm on May 14 2013,08:28
QUOTE
Who doesn't know that the "MicroSoft Network" is owned by "MicroSoft?"

It's confusing.  One wonders if it's the software company or some potential company that makes tiny memory foam pillows for gerbils or something.

Posted by Leisher on May 14 2013,08:29
QUOTE
Who doesn't know that the "MicroSoft Network" is owned by "MicroSoft?"


If only we lived in a world where that didn't need to be explained.

Although...

Microsoft has backed out of that partnership, so I don't know what that stands for anymore.

Posted by thibodeaux on May 14 2013,09:35
Are you talking about MSN, or MSNBC?
Posted by Leisher on May 14 2013,10:01
Sorry, I was talking about MSNBC, Microsoft's joint venture with NBC.

My bad, although it doesn't affect the point.

Hell, ask most people what NBC stand for, and I'll bet 50% or more don't know.

Posted by Malcolm on May 14 2013,10:35
< Doctor-owned hospitals > gaming Obamacare for fun and profit.
Posted by TPRJones on May 14 2013,11:42
According to the article, they're "gaming the system" mostly by providing high-quality medical care that does not result in readmittance for the same problem and expanding their ability to treat patients efficiently.

How dare they!

Posted by Malcolm on May 14 2013,11:52
Given that the law was supposed to target those dudes and make life harder for them, they're at least doing an end-run around the bureaucracy.
Posted by Malcolm on May 15 2013,10:35
< I notice a trend >.  Any time any press release comes out now, about anything...
QUOTE
...and warned that budget cuts could limit future efforts...

Pricks.

Posted by thibodeaux on May 15 2013,11:02
Women and minorities hardest hit.
Posted by TheCatt on May 15 2013,11:04
Won't someone think of the children?
Posted by Malcolm on May 19 2013,09:11
< FBI + drones in 2015, bitches >.
Posted by Malcolm on May 19 2013,09:13
< Michelle Obama hates rap >.  Also confused about how college works.
QUOTE
But priorities should change, she said, because "getting an education is as important if not more important than it was back when this university was founded."

Yeah, education is important.  If only universities provided some.

Posted by Malcolm on May 20 2013,10:25
< Speech on Thursday >.
QUOTE
The speech is a follow-up to Obama's State of the Union pledge to "continue to engage Congress to ensure not only that our targeting, detention and prosecution of terrorists remains consistent with our laws and system of checks and balances, but that our efforts are even more transparent to the American people and to the world."

Sounds like a hell of a summer comedy to me.

Posted by Leisher on May 20 2013,10:29
Assholes are removing the vid, so go to YouTube, search for Jon Stewart Obama.


Posted by GORDON on May 20 2013,11:57
I have been tempted to post something about the IRS and the AP spying on Facebook, directed at my relatives.... to see if they have even heard of it.  But I won't.
Posted by GORDON on May 20 2013,18:44
"IRS scandal is worst government scandal in history."

< http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013....say-yes >

Argues because past scandals were insider stuff/monetary/cronyism, whereas this IRS thing was a direct attack against American people.

Posted by Malcolm on May 20 2013,20:49

(Leisher @ May 20 2013,12:29)
QUOTE

He spent the majority of tonight's opening monologue continuing this sort of thing.
Posted by Leisher on May 21 2013,06:21
Obama's catch phrase is "I learned it from the news with all of you."
Posted by Malcolm on May 21 2013,10:08
< Transparency >: holding back photos.
Posted by Malcolm on May 21 2013,10:15
< Comraderie and solidarity permeate administration >.
QUOTE
The Justice Department inspector general said Monday that the former U.S. attorney in Phoenix retaliated against the main whistleblower in a botched federal gun operation by leaking information to a television producer that was meant to harm the whistleblower’s credibility.

Posted by TPRJones on May 21 2013,10:34
The federal government has really developed an overall us-versus-them mentality towards the citizenry.  We've become the Stanford prison experiment of modern democracy.
Posted by Malcolm on May 21 2013,11:58
How long before there's a reality show that elects a member of Congress for some shitty district that no one cares about?
Posted by thibodeaux on May 21 2013,13:03

(Malcolm @ May 21 2013,14:58)
QUOTE
How long before there's a reality show that elects a member of Congress for some shitty district that no one cares about?

I thought that was called "C-SPAN"
Posted by Malcolm on May 21 2013,13:09

(thibodeaux @ May 21 2013,15:03)
QUOTE

(Malcolm @ May 21 2013,14:58)
QUOTE
How long before there's a reality show that elects a member of Congress for some shitty district that no one cares about?

I thought that was called "C-SPAN"

C-SPAN just shows the lazy bureaucrats in their natural habitat.
Posted by Leisher on May 23 2013,06:35
< Obama administration admits to targeting and killing 4 Americans. >

Now in Obama's defense, I'm ok with killing American citizens without trial in certain situations. For example: If they're the new leader of Al Queda and are sitting in some bunker in the Middle East. Fuck them.

However, if they are on American soil, I believe arrest should be the first option.

Anyway, I love this news story because what more can this guy do to break every promise he made and shit all over the beliefs of the folks who voted for him?

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 03 2013,18:49
< Speaking of lying >.  Don't know if this is true or not.  But if it is, wtf?
QUOTE
Holder told the committee on May 15 that he was not involved in the potential prosecution of a reporter under the 1917 Espionage Act. Reports later surfaced that he had signed off on a search warrant and a subpoena for the records of Fox News reporter James Rosen.


EDIT: There is no link to the alleged report anywhere in the article.



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 03 2013,18:51
< Hah >.  I assume he means he'll just find and remove the people that complained, then carry on as usual with day-to-day corruption.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 04 2013,07:38
Danny Werfel? Wasn't he a QB at Florida State?  :D
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 04 2013,07:54
QUOTE
"We cannot in good conscience provide taxpayer dollars that are used to abuse the rights of American citizens," Republican Ander Crenshaw of Florida said

A wonder god didn't strike his ass down with lightning right there, as he uttered "taxpayer."  Also voted for the bailout in '08 and to say "fuck it" to the debt ceiling.



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 04 2013,10:21
Today, in the world of bullshit:

< Hollow promises about patent law reform >.

Asks China to stop < hacking the living fuck > out of gov't machines because they're still trying to figure out < inbox filtering >.

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 04 2013,19:19
Obama appointees using secret email accounts.

Will tell you what they are for a million dollars.

< http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/216238.php >

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 05 2013,06:14

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 06 2013,06:44
Obama tracking the phone records of EVERY Verizon user.

< http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2013....records >

Hey, remember when it was a big deal with Bush was tracking phone calls in which one of the parties was overseas, and they called it "domestic wire tapping?"

Yeah, well that is not a big deal anymore, and fuck you if you don't like it.

Posted by thibodeaux on Jun. 06 2013,07:10
Change we can believe in!
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 06 2013,07:20
I had no idea that when they used that phrase they were marketing to the cynics and pessimists.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 06 2013,07:22

(GORDON @ Jun. 06 2013,08:44)
QUOTE
Obama tracking the phone records of EVERY Verizon user.

< http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2013....records >

Hey, remember when it was a big deal with Bush was tracking phone calls in which one of the parties was overseas, and they called it "domestic wire tapping?"

Yeah, well that is not a big deal anymore, and fuck you if you don't like it.

I'll bet every one of those groups endorsed him during both elections.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 06 2013,07:28
< Obama in 2008: No warrantless wiretaps if you elect me >


Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 06 2013,07:57

(GORDON @ Jun. 06 2013,09:28)
QUOTE
< Obama in 2008: No warrantless wiretaps if you elect me >

He said it like this:
"No, warrantless wiretaps if you elect me."

You just didn't hear the comma.  Racist.

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 06 2013,10:37
< Obamacare is amazingly unpopular. >

I think during the next election cycle you're going to hear a LOT of "I'll vote to repeal it."

Posted by thibodeaux on Jun. 06 2013,10:56

(Leisher @ Jun. 06 2013,13:37)
QUOTE
I think during the next election cycle you're going to hear a LOT of "I'll vote to repeal it."

Which will be a) bullshit or 2) ineffective.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 06 2013,11:04
My wife's employer, a regional bank, is considering dropping their health insurance entirely because costs are going up so high, and just paying the penalty instead.  Rumor has it there will be a 100% increase in cost this year.

They already stopped hiring full-time bank tellers in order to avoid the benefits requirements.

Unless Obamacare itself turns out to be amazing, I think we may see some SERIOUS opposition to it.  Once anyone can figure out how it will work.



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 06 2013,11:16
QUOTE
I think we may see some SERIOUS opposition to it

Give it another couple years to take root.  You'd need major Congressional turnover.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 06 2013,11:22
< No seriously, they really need it >.
QUOTE
Calling a newly disclosed phone data monitoring program a "critical tool," White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters aboard Air Force One on Thursday that President Barack Obama looks forward to a national debate about the balance between national security and individual privacy prompted by the revelations.

Fuck every single one of you.

Posted by thibodeaux on Jun. 06 2013,12:24

(Malcolm @ Jun. 06 2013,14:16)
QUOTE
QUOTE
I think we may see some SERIOUS opposition to it

Give it another couple years to take root.  You'd need major Congressional turnover.

Guess there's no SERIOUS opposition to TSA.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 06 2013,12:46
QUOTE
Guess there's no SERIOUS opposition to TSA.

Based on the amount of funding those bastards receive...

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 06 2013,13:06
We never had a "million man march" over the TSA.  Poor peeps don't fly, and are completely unaffected.  I could see it happening over this issue, and the media will spin it as "million racist march" because the poor get it all for free, anyway, and they always assume poor=black.  It is the people with jobs w/benefits who will suddenly not be able to pay for insurance, for themselves and, in extension, the poor.


Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 06 2013,13:39
My insurance sucks goat balls at my job, even if you take the "best" of the 3 options.


Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 06 2013,13:49
As of today it's official, no more full-time adjunct instructors at all at my college.  Just to be safe even the part-time adjuncts are being cut way back in their hours.  We'll have to find a whole lot of adjuncts and then give them each almost no hours.  But we won't have to worry about insurance for them.


Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 06 2013,15:19

(TPRJones @ Jun. 06 2013,15:49)
QUOTE
As of today it's official, no more full-time adjunct instructors at all at my college.  Just to be safe even the part-time adjuncts are being cut way back in their hours.  We'll have to find a whole lot of adjuncts and then give them each almost no hours.  But we won't have to worry about insurance for them.

Shit happened at my second-to-last job.  Got my ass out the door around then.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 06 2013,15:26
It's going to be everywhere and every one. It isn't like there will be a select few insurance companies that will figure out how to not jack up their rates in the face of government subsidies.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 07 2013,08:26
Here's how the MSM uses subtlety to brainwash the masses:

< Note the title of the article, and then who is pictured... >

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 07 2013,08:41
Does he get some of the blame for championing this clusterfuck in the first place?  Oh yes, lots.  But then there's the current cadre of douchebags who continue to prop it up.  As an Academy Award-winning actor who took a job because he needed money once said,
QUOTE
Who's more foolish: the fool or the fool who follows?



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 07 2013,10:13
< Security dude behaves like petulant teen >.
QUOTE
The unauthorized disclosure of a top secret U.S. court document threatens potentially long-lasting and irreversible harm to our ability to identify and respond to the many threats facing our nation," Clapper said of the phone-tracking program.

Guess your "top secret" status doesn't mean shit, does it, Clappy?

QUOTE
I believe it is important for the American people to understand the limits of this targeted counterterrorism program and the principles that govern its use," Clapper said.

"Limits" I assume is a codeword for "we'll target whoever is pissing us off that particular day, foreign or domestic."

< B. Rock promises > they will only use this power for good.  No word on when General Zod will be announced as the new NSA director.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 07 2013,10:25
< Obama: Everyone should be more like Cali >.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 07 2013,10:25
We're spying on the MSM.

We've invaded their homes and then lied to you about it.

We've actively used government agencies to suppress opposition to our party and policies. Oh, and to try and keep people from learning about the Constitution.

Just about every promise we've made about our administration has been broken or proven to be an outright lie.

We've supplied weapons to terrorist organizations and gotten people killed doing so.

We've killed American citizens without trial.

We've gone out of our way to protect free speech for certain groups, while suppressing that of others.

We've stood by and watched Americans die in an attack we had prior notice of and then lied to you about it.

< But hey, you've got to trust us on this new scandal because if you don't trust us, there's going to be problems. >

At this point, how can the American people not take that as a threat?



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 07 2013,10:33
QUOTE
If people can’t trust not only the executive branch monarch but also don’t trust Congress the aristocracy, and don’t trust federal judges royal magistrates, to make sure that we’re abiding by the Constitution Divine Right of the Chosen with due process and rule of law, then we’re going to have some problems here.

The entire Constitution was written precisely because citizens decided not to trust their government to self-regulate.

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 08 2013,21:25
49% now think Obamacare is a bad idea.

Obama said that's just because Republicans are just trying to make it look back.  Obama's evidence that it is working is because children can stay on mommy and daddy's insurance until they are 25.

< http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news....to?lite >

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 09 2013,09:45
QUOTE
“By the way, all of this is what the Republican Party has now voted 37 times to repeal, at least in the House of Representatives,” he said. “And my suggestion to them has been, let's stop re-fighting the old battles and start working with people like the leaders who are on stage here today to make this law work the way it's supposed to.”

Jesus.  No bipartisan shit there.

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 09 2013,10:15
Once the law is passed, congress has nothing to do with implimentation. He is just looking for a convenient group of republicans to blame for his clusterfuck of a law.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jun. 10 2013,05:42
< I loled >
Posted by thibodeaux on Jun. 10 2013,05:43
< This too >
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 10 2013,07:42
That video went onto my FB page.

For Gordon:


In related news:
Has anyone noticed how coverage of this new scandal has shifted to the whistleblower? He's all I see in the news today. Nobody is talking about the scandal itself, just him.

< Most of the big name tech companies were involved in the spying on us. >

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 10 2013,08:42
Yeah, i noticed the focus shift. I also noticed the shift in attitudes of the freedom loving hippies who claim that total blanket surveilance is actually a good thing, now, and also Bush did it first.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 10 2013,08:54
Goddamn, Gene, put the makeup back on.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 10 2013,09:15
Dear Booz, Allen, Hamilton: Hear a position opened up recently.  Call me.  My silence can be bought.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 10 2013,13:52

(GORDON @ Jun. 06 2013,14:04)
QUOTE
My wife's employer, a regional bank, is considering dropping their health insurance entirely because costs are going up so high, and just paying the penalty instead.  Rumor has it there will be a 100% increase in cost this year.

It's official: rates going up an average of 88% in Ohio, next year.

< http://www.forbes.com/sites....percent >

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 10 2013,13:56
Obviously they're not implementing it correctly, like California is.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 11 2013,06:46
jimmy fallon ‏@jimmyfallon
Obama just met with Chinese President Xi Jinping. Obama asked China to stop spying on America. Then Jinping said, “You first.”

Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 11 2013,07:58

(thibodeaux @ Jun. 10 2013,07:43)
QUOTE
< This too >

Taken down by Verizon.  Replacement link: < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSqTnTeXDb0 >
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 11 2013,08:13
No WAY that's susceptible to a takedown notice.  Clearly parody/free speech/art.
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 11 2013,08:25
YouTube is not subtle about how they handle take-downs.  Presumed guilty, etc.  They could get it back with a fight, but why bother when it's posted elsewhere.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 11 2013,18:09
QUOTE
For the first time since 2005, more Americans have a favorable view of former President George W. Bush than an unfavorable view.

According to a new Gallup poll released Tuesday, 49% have a positive opinion of the two-term Republican president, while 46% feel the opposite.

< Link >

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 11 2013,18:22
Is it because we're forgetting him as time goes on or he just looks retroactively better because the current douche is setting the mark so goddamn low?


Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 11 2013,19:27

(Malcolm @ Jun. 11 2013,21:22)
QUOTE
Is it because we're forgetting him as time goes on or he just looks retroactively better because the current douche is setting the mark so goddamn low?

I thought the former, my wife thought the latter.  So, perhaps both?
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 11 2013,19:37
The exact things Bush got slammed for are the exact things Obama gets a pass for.  Not sure where that gets factored into it.
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 12 2013,06:22
And yet hatred for Nixon is eternal.  The man looks like a saint compared to the last few Presidents, IMO.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jun. 12 2013,06:24
The Left/Media/Cathedral complex didn't hate Nixon because of what he did as President. They hated him because of his anti-communist activity in Congress.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 12 2013,07:20

(TPRJones @ Jun. 12 2013,08:22)
QUOTE
And yet hatred for Nixon is eternal.  The man looks like a saint compared to the last few Presidents, IMO.

Only because he predated the internet.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 13 2013,06:09

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 13 2013,10:11
< Clinton hating >.  That's Bill.
QUOTE
"Some people say, 'OK, see what a big mess it is? Stay out!' I think that's a big mistake," Mr Clinton said at a private event in New York...

A philosophy that has served you well.

And "no" has a fuzzy definition, the same way "is" does.
QUOTE
"What the American people are saying when they tell you not to do these things, they're not telling you not to do these things," he said, but instead, they're urging caution. "They hire you to win ... to look around the corner and see down the road.


< Syrian rebels, John Kerry, and Monty Python >.



Posted by Leisher on Jun. 16 2013,22:11
< Obamacare in California isn't as "cheap" as advertised...especially for women. >
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 17 2013,07:17
Wait a god-damned minute.  The issue at hand is how California forces insurance companies to not discriminate their pricing based on gender so women are being unfairly burdened?  Bullshit, the story here should be how in 40 states men are unfairly being hammered by ratings hikes due to Obamacare when women aren't.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 17 2013,07:31
Yeah, screw this.  They want equality?  They can take the pain paying the check, too.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jun. 17 2013,15:00
< Pretty sure we discussed something like this already:
>
QUOTE
Post reporter Sari Horwitz, who covers the Justice Department, is married to William B. Schultz, who is Kathleen Sebelius’ top lawyer at the Department of Health and Human Services. Ben Sherwood, the president of ABC News, is brother to Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall, “a top national security adviser to President Obama.” Another Obama national security aide, Ben Rhodes, is brother to David Rhodes, president of CBS News. One of CNN’s top D.C. hacks is married to Tom Nides, whose upward career trajectory has taken him from the office of Democratic congressional powerbroker Tony Coelho to, where else, Fannie Mae, Credit Suisse, and Morgan Stanley, as well as a two-year stint as an undersecretary of state for Hillary Clinton. Whose daughter is on contract with NBC.

White House spokesman Jay Carney, who worked for many years at Time magazine, is married to Claire Shipman, a correspondent for ABC News. The White House correspondent for NPR, Ari Shapiro, has been married to former White House counsel Michael Gottlieb since 2004. Longtime NPR personality Michele Norris went on leave in 2011, when her husband Broderick Johnson, a corporate lawyer who served in the Clinton White House, joined the Obama reelection campaign as a full-time adviser. Wall Street Journal political reporter Neil King is married to Shailagh Murray, who serves as communications director for Vice President Joe Biden, and who used to report on Congress for the Post. Savannah Guthrie of NBC recently became engaged to Mike Feldman, a former Gore aide who is now part of the Democratic Glover Park Group consultancy. Syndicated columnist Connie Schultz is married to Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio.

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 18 2013,04:48
Rep. John Larson (D) on making Congress use Obamacare like everyone else: < "simply not fair". >

Go fuck yourself.

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 18 2013,11:05

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 18 2013,11:21
We can sell them, just not own.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 25 2013,11:14
< Bill Clinton > says states suck at budgeting.  Then he says we need a bigger tax base.

< Donkey >: IRS targeted liberal groups, too.

Rebuttal:
QUOTE
In response to Levin's statement, House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Rep. Dave Camp said the inclusion of "progressives" on a BOLO list did not prove that liberal groups underwent the same extra scrutiny of conservative groups cited in the inspector general's report.



Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 25 2013,11:35
As bad as that IRS stuff is, apparently those groups didn't even need to file those forms with the IRS at all.  At least according to this delightful clip...

< http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col....-potter >

EDIT: Oh, and yes, that is a < real lawyer >.



Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2013,18:18
Saw a sign at a McD's in some midwestern state the other day hiring.... any hours you want, up to 29 hours a week.

Wife's employer, a small regional bank with 5 branches, just got bought out.  Shareholders said it was getting too expensive to stay in business so they just sold it off.

< Hollywood is realizing Obamacare is going to be more expensive than they thought >, but not more expensive than the non-democrats said it would be.



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 29 2013,09:46
< More bipartisan synergy-building tactics from the prez and his boys >.
QUOTE
I can guarantee you that this will be a big fight -- many Republicans will deny science and claim that "those liberals" are making it up. But you, me, and 97 percent of scientists know better -- climate change is real and we have to act now before it's too late.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 01 2013,10:32
< It's ok if everyone's doing it >.
- John Kerry's justification for bugging up to 38 European embassies

I'm officially calling this the "Lance Armstrong" defense.



Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 02 2013,11:20
< MD on health care >.  Agrees with me.
QUOTE
One of the reasons our health-care system is ailing is the fact that we habitually insulate decision makers from the consequences of their choices.

Replace "health care system" with anything where one group of people make a choice for another without everyone having all their cards on the fucking table.

Posted by GORDON on Jul. 02 2013,17:30
Obama decided his Obamacare law need not be enforced until next year.

1.  Presidents now have the power to overturn laws just because they say so.

2.  This puts Obamacare clusterfucking/job killing until after the 2014 elections.

< http://www.bloomberg.com/news....15.html >

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 02 2013,17:33
So ... all those workers that just got cut to 29 hours, they'll totally get their full workloads back, right?
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 02 2013,17:38
Depends on what Obama says.  He has that power.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 02 2013,17:41

(GORDON @ Jul. 02 2013,19:38)
QUOTE
Depends on what Obama says.  He has that power.

You're going to hate when Hillary gets elected.
Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 02 2013,18:16

(Malcolm @ Jul. 02 2013,19:41)
QUOTE
...when Hillary gets elected.

Even for you that's just going too far.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 02 2013,18:20

(TPRJones @ Jul. 02 2013,20:16)
QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Jul. 02 2013,19:41)
QUOTE
...when Hillary gets elected.

Even for you that's just going too far.

Think they aren't going to try to run her again?
Posted by thibodeaux on Jul. 02 2013,18:32
TBH, I'm surprised they let her be SecState the first time. That's what, 4th in line for the job? Do you know how many inconvenient people mysteriously died when she was co-president in the 90s?
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 02 2013,18:49
The way Bill's been talking shit, it's almost as if Hillary let him fuck around on her so she could have political leverage from him down the line.

If she's not running for prez, she's getting VP or some other token cabinet position.



Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 02 2013,19:11
She might run, but she won't win.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 02 2013,19:14

(TPRJones @ Jul. 02 2013,21:11)
QUOTE
She might run, but she won't win.

I think you're vastly underestimating the Republican strategy of shooting themselves in the foot, groin, throat, and brain.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 02 2013,19:22
And "Free Candy," on which Democrats are still perceived still have a monopoly.  Nobody is going to win any more unless they are promising free candy.

Until we hit rock bottom, and blood flows, and we aint there yet.



Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 02 2013,19:33
Yeah, because no Republican has ever given out or accepted gifts for political reasons.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 02 2013,19:44

(Malcolm @ Jul. 02 2013,22:33)
QUOTE
Yeah, because no Republican has ever given out or accepted gifts for political reasons.

It's not the reality, it's the perception.  "Everyone knows" republicans are evil, racist obstructionists, and democrats want errybody to have free medical care and abortions and birth control and they dont got to pay their mortgage no more and all the mexicans get to come be americans and get on welfare for free.

"I don't like anything Obama has done, but I could never vote for a republican so I got to vote for Obama again."

~ most democrats I knew in 2008.


I know y'all disagree, but in my opinion "Free Candy" is the rule for the foreseeable future.

Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 02 2013,20:24
I think a lot of people would be happy to turn down the free candy (the majority knows it won't last even as they take their piece of it) if they had an option that didn't come with medieval policies on social freedoms stuck onto it.

Until they give up the anti-gay stuff, Republicans will not win another Presidency.

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 03 2013,06:50

(TPRJones @ Jul. 02 2013,23:24)
QUOTE
Until they give up the anti-gay stuff, Republicans will not win another Presidency.

Agreed.

It isn't that they disagree with gay marriage, it's that they spew hate so violently at the idea.

Republicans need to separate themselves from the church. Those people are NOT going to vote Democrat under any circumstance, so stop coddling them.

Start coddling the independents and right leaning Democrats by reversing course on social stances.

In the New 52, one of the titles that was relaunched was Aquaman who is a pop culture joke. Geoff Johns was assigned as the writer, and immediately turned fucking Aquaman into one the hottest and coolest characters.

How?

He immediately acknowledge the joke on the pages, and played into it. He wasn't apologetic about it, and basically said, "yeah, but here's what I'm really about." (Seriously, if you haven't read it, and even if you aren't a fan of comics you know Aquaman, pick up the New 52 Aquaman issue #1 and check it out.)

The Republicans need to do the same thing.

Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 03 2013,06:58
The country is ripe for libertarianism to take over.  The party can't get traction because the game is rigged against third parties, but I think the Republicans are setting themselves up to be taken over entirely by libertarians.  We'll see a complete change in GOP leadership moving in this direction after the Dems put President Biden into the white house in 2016.

The church crowd will scream bloody murder, but no one will listen to them.  As you say, what are they going to do vote Democrat?  Hardly.

Posted by GORDON on Jul. 03 2013,07:21
Libertarians will have to overcome the very wide-spread, a water-tight, NARRATIVE that they are also evil, racist, etc.  Only think a liberal hates more than a republican is a Tea Partier.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 03 2013,07:25
QUOTE
"I don't like anything Obama has done, but I could never vote for a republican so I got to vote for Obama again."

That's more of a slam on the Republicans for not offering anything remotely close to a reasonable alternative.

QUOTE
Republicans need to separate themselves from the church.

They're too stubborn and stupid to do that, even to yank their party back from the brink of non-relevance.  They exist only to provide comic relief now.

QUOTE
In the New 52, one of the titles that was relaunched was Aquaman who is a pop culture joke.

Aquaman was slightly less hopeless than the current Republican party.

QUOTE
...but I think the Republicans are setting themselves up to be taken over entirely by libertarians.

See the quote about being stubborn and stupid.  They had a chance to pick a real candidate this most recent prez election.  Instead they picked Romney.  Mitt.  Fucking.  Romney.  That was the best idea they had.  I think his VP was the cricket that chirped in the background after he got done talking.



Posted by Leisher on Jul. 03 2013,07:57
Obamacare has just been delayed until 2015. I've seen several places mention it.


Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 03 2013,08:05

(Leisher @ Jul. 03 2013,09:57)
QUOTE
Obamacare has just been delayed until 2015. I've seen several places mention it.

Thought we had a blurb about that yesterday.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 03 2013,08:24
I have no idea. Sometimes things get buried.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 03 2013,10:12

(GORDON @ Jul. 02 2013,20:30)
QUOTE
Obama decided his Obamacare law need not be enforced until next year.

1.  Presidents now have the power to overturn laws just because they say so.

2.  This puts Obamacare clusterfucking/job killing until after the 2014 elections.

< http://www.bloomberg.com/news....15.html >

Bam.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 03 2013,10:33
Obama's NLRB appointments deemed unconstitutional and illegal.  NLRB plows ahead, anyway, because fuck you, that's why.

QUOTE
The role of Congress is to ensure a balanced NLRB and the Obama Administration bypassed Congress in order to stack the NLRB in favor of Big Labor. Two different federal courts -- the D.C. Circuit and the Third Circuit -- have established that the NLRB is illegally constituted and has no authority to take action.


< http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBl....ntments >

Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 03 2013,10:59
It's okay, Obama was a constitutional law professor, so he couldn't be wrong about that.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 03 2013,11:13
QUOTE
The crux of the suit here is whether the executive branch can function without any accountability.

If you bastardize the meanings of both "function" and "accountability," then yes.  It's been lacking in both of those since at least post-WWII, which I consider the true birth of bureaucratic insanity in the modern U.S. system.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 03 2013,16:17
< France apologizes >.
QUOTE
France has apologised to Bolivia for refusing to allow President Evo Morales' jet into its airspace, blaming "conflicting information".

Obama on the phone to Hollande: Hey, stop that plane.
Hollande: Uh, I don't think I've got any legal justification to...
Obama: I won the Nobel Peace Prize, goddamnit.  I'm giving you the authority.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2013,16:54
< How to abuse > the new health care law.  Anyone remember when the donkeys said that taking away the part of the law they just recently took away would be "unthinkable" and "gutting Obamacare?"


Posted by GORDON on Jul. 07 2013,16:59
I'll use it.  Fuckum.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 08 2013,12:54
< Trump "fires" Obama. >
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 08 2013,12:57
If I ran for public office, I'd pay Trump to endorse my opponent.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 08 2013,13:59
< Checks and balances >?  Fuck those.
QUOTE
Under Obama’s proposal, presidents would have the ability to get up-or-down votes within 90 days in the House and Senate on legislation consolidating and reorganizing parts of the federal government.

That would bypass committees and limit individual lawmakers’ ability to kill provisions they don’t like or that hurt their districts.


In other news, Amanda Bynes thinks the Obamas are "< ugly >."  She's also gone Britney Spears circa 2009 insane.



Posted by Leisher on Jul. 09 2013,12:20

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 09 2013,12:38
Wow.  He had the balls to tweet the equivalent of "Happy Ramadan?"  Would Winston Churchill wish the Irish a merry St. Patrick's Day after sending in the Black and Tans?
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 10 2013,18:32

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 11 2013,07:43
State Department < buys > likes on facebook.  Just wtf.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 11 2013,07:59
Brilliant.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 12 2013,10:39
< Jackasses bitching about > pachyderm filibuster.
QUOTE
Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader in the Senate, responded furiously to Mr Reid's decision to threaten to remove the filibuster for appointments, a move that has been called the “nuclear option” because it weakens a key check and balance to the power of the majority in the Senate.

Probably because his memory extends beyond a decade.
QUOTE
The 'nuclear option’ has been threatened before in 2005 — this time when Republicans were angry with Democrat blocking George W Bush’s judicial nominees — but an eleventh-hour deal was brokered to pull both sides back from the brink.

A truly awesome political system we have here, quagmired in a state of perpetual amnesia.  I'm willing to bet most of the incumbents get reelected, too.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 12 2013,11:04
< U.S. health care underperforms > in spite of ridiculous amounts of funding.
QUOTE
"Despite a level of health expenditures that would have seemed unthinkable a generation ago, the health of the U.S. population has improved only gradually and has fallen behind the pace of progress in many other wealthy nations," Dr. Harvey Fineberg of the Institute of Medicine in Washington, D.C., wrote in an editorial published on Wednesday with the study in the Journal of the American Medical Association.


< Obama asks for more funding >.
QUOTE
The Obama administration announced Wednesday its first big push to help educate uninsured people about the health coverage they'll qualify for under Obamacare.

I'm sure the education will include, "To ensure your continued health, vote Democrat in every election afterwards so the Republicans don't repeal the law."



Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 17 2013,10:26
< MS says gov't stopping > them from telling you how the gov't uses your info.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 18 2013,10:29
< Thinking of bombing the fuck out of Syria >.  I wonder what the reaction of the anti-war demographic would be if their golden child walked into this plate glass window of a regional conflict.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 18 2013,10:57
Nobel Peace Prize winner.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 19 2013,10:56
< Hospitals expanding > under well thought out Obamacare laws.
QUOTE
Liberty Hospital near Kansas City, Mo., has eliminated 120 jobs this year, closed its wound-care clinic, and stopped offering free rides to poor and elderly patients. The Cleveland Clinic is searching for ways to cut $250 million from its $6 billion budget in the next 16 months. It’s already closed expensive maternity wards in half the hospitals it operates. In northern New York, Adirondack Health may shutter its emergency room in Lake Placid and a dialysis center in Tupper Lake.

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 19 2013,13:31
< This speech today cinches it for me. > He is the single worst president in history.

What a fucking asshole. He constantly talks about uniting the American people, yet he gives this speech that is clearly race baiting.  

Fuck him.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 19 2013,13:40
QUOTE
You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son.

No, were he your son, he would've had half a dozen Secret Service agents that escorted him to buy his Skittles.  With guns.  A few probably would've been white or Hispanic.

The worst prez?  No, still < this dude >.  Currently Barack is simply being a loud-mouthed race card player.  If he does something drastic that overturns the verdict or trumps up some bullshit charges against George or his defense team, that's getting closer to "worst prez ev4r."

As for his comments about people's reactions to minorities, the demographic of people that I respond to by locking my doors and crossing the street to get away from them is limited to a single type: government employees at the local, state, and ESPECIALLY federal level.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 24 2013,12:34
< Dubyah > would be burned in effigy if he asked this.
QUOTE
In opposing an amendment being pushed by Rep. Justin Amash, R-Mich., Carney said that Obama welcomes a debate on surveillance, but opposes a "blunt approach" that could compromise national security.

Bite me.  I hope your surveillance program is gutted.

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 25 2013,13:46
James Woods is not an Obama fan.


Posted by GORDON on Jul. 29 2013,16:21
Workers at Obamacare call center pissed that they wont be getting health insurance.  Half of them are getting hired it at 29 hours or less per week.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....-health >

I am sure this will change now that it is public.



Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 29 2013,16:36

(GORDON @ Jul. 29 2013,18:21)
QUOTE
I am sure this will change now that it is public.

This is comedy, yes?
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 29 2013,16:38

(TPRJones @ Jul. 29 2013,19:36)
QUOTE

(GORDON @ Jul. 29 2013,18:21)
QUOTE
I am sure this will change now that it is public.

This is comedy, yes?

Now that something embarrassing came out about it, Obama will wave his hand and create a new law saying they will all be full time and the media will swoon yet again and say what a great community organizer obama is.
Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 29 2013,16:47
Maybe they'll put in a loophole for political workers to not need medical care for full-time, but I very much doubt it.  And even then the mandate would still be screwing these workers.

I know they will certainly not be springing for their health insurance.  Not with campaign funds, no way in hell.

EDIT: Besides it's all moot.  We know that Obamacare will never be fully enforced, ever.  It's already starting to destroy the work force in many sectors and it doesn't even count yet.  When 40% of Americans fail to have coverage in time I really don't see the IRS putting them all in jail.



Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2013,07:13
QUOTE
When 40% of Americans fail to have coverage in time I really don't see the IRS putting them all in jail.

They won't jail them; they'll just take their money.

Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 30 2013,08:14
I expect most of them won't pay it.  Can't arrest them all.

Could even lead to the next taxpayer revolt, perhaps.  But I don't think it'll go that far, enforcement will collapse first.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2013,08:16
QUOTE
I expect most of them won't pay it.  Can't arrest them all.

They'll just take it.  Unless you get paid in cash and\or are unemployed.

Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 30 2013,08:32
It won't be part of withholding, and unless they take them all to court over it then they can't just take their paychecks.  It's a paid-at-the-end-of-the-year tax thing, and I expect a lot of people will just stop filing.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2013,08:38
QUOTE
...they can't just take their paychecks.

Yeah they can.  They just need an excuse.  I'm sure they'll find one.  Not paying taxes in this country equals motherfucking tanks driving up to your doorstep if you want to push it.

QUOTE
I expect a lot of people will just stop filing.

I expect a lot of people will find their gov't services cut off.

Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 30 2013,08:49

(Malcolm @ Jul. 30 2013,10:38)
QUOTE
QUOTE
...they can't just take their paychecks.

Yeah they can.  They just need an excuse.

No, they can't, they have to go to court and get a judgement against them.  Which is easy enough to do, but I'm predicting millions of these cases.  The majority of people without healthcare who are used to getting money back on their taxes will find they have to pay, and they just won't file.  And the IRS is not set up to handle that sort of load, and the feds know this and won't let it get that far.  Obamacare will be extended and extended and then eventually dropped before it is actually enforced.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 30 2013,09:25
Prepare for the P-Sykology.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....ehavior >

White House starting the Department of Mind Games.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2013,09:36
QUOTE
Such policies -- which encourage behavior subtly rather than outright require it -- have come to be known as "nudges," after an influential 2008 book titled "Nudge" by former Obama regulatory czar Cass Sunstein and Chicago Booth School of Business professor Richard Thaler popularized the term.

Now some people only want to wear the minimum required pieces of flair, and that's fine.  But some people chose to wear more and we encourage that.



Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 30 2013,10:03
Well, traditionally lawmakers have passed laws intended to shape citizen behavior, like taxes on cigarettes and the like.  They've failed miserably, of course, because lawmakers aren't capable of understanding humans.  But my point is the idea is nothing new, it's just admitting incompetence and seeking specialists that is new.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 05 2013,10:23
Tell me again how they're not running < her >.
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 05 2013,10:40
Oh, I'm certain she'll be in the primary.  But she won't be able to win it.  Again.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 08 2013,11:08
< Putin takes a shot at Obama through Bush. >

So it's all Bush's fault...  :D

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 08 2013,11:15
I almost want to get a ticket to Russia, find Eddie, and give him a t-shirt that says, "Obama can suck my balls."
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 11 2013,10:03
White House petition to exempt ALL Americans from Obamacare.

< https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitio....dw7NZmr >

200 signatures right now.  I would bet money they have the ability to alter the numbers.

Posted by Cakedaddy on Aug. 11 2013,13:34
Why don't I see an S. G. in the list of signers?  You don't want to be exempt?
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 11 2013,16:29
< More Obamacare numbers, and they aren't good. >
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 11 2013,17:35

(Cakedaddy @ Aug. 11 2013,16:34)
QUOTE
Why don't I see an S. G. in the list of signers?  You don't want to be exempt?

I don't trust the white house to not be vindictive.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 14 2013,10:16
< Obama: spy programs will be reviewed by independent outsiders > ...
QUOTE
The Review Group on Intelligence Communications and Technologies (RGOICAT?) will be headed by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, aka the official who currently oversees the spying in question.

... who also run spy programs.

Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 14 2013,10:22
I feel like I'm more qualified than him to do this job.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 16 2013,10:18
Good to know the NSA is < rigourously overseen > by the courts.
QUOTE
The May 2012 audit found 2,776 incidents of "unauthorized collection, storage, access to or distribution of legally protected communications" in the preceding 12 months, the Post reported in its story.

"Most were unintended. Many involved failures of due diligence or violations of standard operating procedure," said the Post article by reporter Barton Gellman. "The most serious incidents included a violation of a court order and unauthorized use of data about more than 3,000 Americans and green-card holders."

So they're not evil; they're just chronically incompetent.

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 16 2013,10:21
< Pachyderm boycott over Clinton TV specials >?
QUOTE
Before the vote, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus decried what he called the "obvious bias" of a network that would spotlight Clinton in this fashion.

"We're done putting up with this nonsense. There are plenty of other outlets. We'll still reach voters, maybe more voters. But CNN and NBC anchors will just have to watch on their competitors' networks," he said. "The media overplayed their hand this time."

And you dudes wonder why the media skewers you at every opportunity.  Shutting off your communication with the people that don't like you is not a way to encourage their good will in the future.

Posted by GORDON on Aug. 16 2013,14:01
You've got to admit, when no matter what you say to someone it is translated as "Racist," there's no point in talking to that person any more.

Republican party can't win with the media anyway, so why even try.

Posted by Leisher on Aug. 16 2013,15:44
Yeah, I'm with the Elephants on this move. It's no secret certain media outlets hate them, so why continue to pretend it isn't true? Now those outlets won't have full stories and won't be able to pretend they aren't biased.

Sure, they'll claim they aren't, but they'll be doing it while reporting half of the story...

Posted by Leisher on Aug. 16 2013,18:48
< Oliver Stone isn't a fan of Obama. >
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 16 2013,18:59
QUOTE
Now those outlets won't have full stories and won't be able to pretend they aren't biased.

They don't have the first thing today, and they'll claim blamelessness on the second thing because the other dudes pulled out.  If the pachyderms refuse to interact with those stations, then they've not got a lot of substance behind their accusations of bias from them.  Of course they'll be biased, you fucking won't talk to them.

No one watches a TV news station to figure out things they don't know; that's what the internet is for and Google > CNN + NBC there.  They watch TV news to confirm their own opinions.



Posted by GORDON on Aug. 16 2013,19:01
But they are already biased to the point of twisting your words inside out when you DO talk to them.  What's lost by treating them as hostile tabloids?
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 16 2013,19:02
QUOTE
What's lost by treating them as hostile tabloids?

Any chance whatsoever to get on their good side.  This is the road to "never, ever going to have a chance again."  That's way worse than "maybe, someday given miraculous circumstances."

Posted by GORDON on Aug. 16 2013,19:06
Maybe ctting them off would teach them they have to change their tune?

Can anyone honestly see any media outside of Fox News every reporting anything good about a republican, ever?

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 17 2013,10:07
QUOTE
Can anyone honestly see any media outside of Fox News every reporting anything good about a republican, ever?

Not with the uncharismatic, blustery twonks they've currently got running things, no.

Posted by thibodeaux on Aug. 19 2013,10:53
< What if the president lied to us? >

SRSLY, that's the headline. Or, as the tweet where I found it said: "A media liberal wrestles with that new and uncomfortable notion that politicians are observed, on occasion, to lie."

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 19 2013,11:08
QUOTE
So many of President Obama's statements about NSA have been wrong. But he's too smart not to understand the truth.

Fucking wow.

Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 19 2013,11:16
Maybe Obama is just a time traveler?  He can say we have no domestic spying program, and that's true.  In space-time.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 19 2013,11:27
That article is fantastic. I can't believe an adult wrote that.
Posted by thibodeaux on Aug. 21 2013,06:08
< What. The. FUCK. >
Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 21 2013,08:44
Hey, at least he's praying to an entity that actually exists.  Seems like a step up to me.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 21 2013,16:35

(TPRJones @ Aug. 21 2013,10:44)
QUOTE
Hey, at least he's praying to an entity that actually exists.  Seems like a step up to me.

This seems creepier.  Deifying a thought/belief from your own brain seems less worrisome than doing it to a person.
Posted by thibodeaux on Aug. 22 2013,06:12
I don't know, the God-King is a fairly common and well-known form of government. This democracy thing...not so much. Maybe it's an idea whose time has come.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 22 2013,07:17
QUOTE
This democracy thing...not so much. Maybe it's an idea whose time has come.

Let me know when we get some of that in this country.  We run on a weird mix of oligarchy and theocracy here.

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 22 2013,10:24
< Obama proves yet again >, economics is not his strong point.  Nor is education apparently.
QUOTE
A higher education is the single best investment you can make in your future," Obama told students in Buffalo...

Yeah, they should offer some of that in the American university system.

QUOTE
The average tuition cost at a four-year public college has increased by more than 250% over the past three decades, according to the White House. Meanwhile, incomes for typical families grew by 16%.

Gee, I wonder why.

QUOTE
Colleges would receive bonus money for the number of Pell Grant students who graduate.

As for the ever-growing levels of student debt, the plan calls for expansion of a "Pay As You Earn" program that would cap loan repayments at 10% of income.

The plan also says that colleges should offer a greater range of "affordable, high-quality options" that will generate competition with other colleges and drive down prices.


1. Bad: diplomas will be rubber stamped.
2. Bad: just keep your income low and\or under the table
3. Idiocy: perhaps he could provide details on this

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 22 2013,10:27

(Malcolm @ Aug. 17 2013,12:07)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Can anyone honestly see any media outside of Fox News every reporting anything good about a republican, ever?

Not with the uncharismatic, blustery twonks they've currently got running things, no.

< Uncharmismatic, blustery twonk > speaks.
QUOTE
We were astonished when we heard the comments that state Sen. Vicki Marble, R-Fort Collins, made Wednesday during a legislative hearing on poverty. Marble decided to share her thoughts on nutrition.
...
Marble went on to say how Mexicans eat healthy until they come to the United States.

Yeah.  That's why they just took the coveted "Most Obese Nation" award from us.

EDIT: You'll notice the article's author has a problem with a different aspect of her words.



Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 22 2013,11:21

(Malcolm @ Aug. 22 2013,12:24)
QUOTE
Colleges would receive bonus money for the number of Pell Grant students who graduate.

It won't make any difference.  

Just yesterday someone was bragging about how of 49% of our Pell students who went to at least one counseling session go on to graduate, as opposed to only 8% of Pell students who don't go to any counseling sessions graduating.  But I don't think that's because our counselors are good (quite the opposite), it's because the vast majority of Pell students are only here to get a check for as long as they can (usually only the one semester) and then leave.  And those students don't go to counseling.

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 23 2013,10:25
< Damage control, part #435,785,411 >
QUOTE
Obama noted that people have “legitimate concerns” that the technology is moving faster than legislation and privacy protections in place.

“Do some of these systems end up being like a loaded gun out there that somebody at some future point could abuse? Because there are no allegations, and I am very confident -- knowing the NSA and how they operate - that purposefully somebody is out there trying to abuse this program or listen in on people’s e-mail,” Obama said.

So we're:
A) supposed to take your word for it?
B) forget that you recently asked China to stop hacking the fuck out of U.S. gov't machines?

Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 23 2013,10:53
QUOTE
Because there are no allegations, and I am very confident -- knowing the NSA and how they operate - that purposefully somebody is out there trying to abuse this program or listen in on people’s e-mail,” Obama said.

I'm really more worried about people reading my email.



Posted by GORDON on Aug. 26 2013,09:21
UPS just dumped 15k spouses off of their employees' health insurance plans, because health care keeps getting more and more affordable under Obamacare.

< http://washingtonexaminer.com/is-obam....2534688 >

Today I also learned the phrase, "Obamacare is going to cause the destruction of the 40 hour work week."

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 26 2013,09:40
QUOTE
But the prospect of 39 more months of the anti-president at the helm is daunting. No plans for anything except bus tours and college campus speeches, no idea how to invigorate a sputtering economy or trim a bloated budget.

Every president since ... how long now?

QUOTE
I didn't think it was possible for an American president to be ranked below Jimmy Carter on the competence list.

Read a history book, idiot.



Posted by TPRJones on Aug. 26 2013,09:50
Obamacare would have been perfect if it weren't for Bush.  He ruined it for everyone.
Posted by thibodeaux on Aug. 26 2013,09:55

(Malcolm @ Aug. 26 2013,12:40)
QUOTE
no idea how to invigorate a sputtering economy

< This one was solved a long time ago >:

QUOTE
the phrase stems from a meeting in about 1680 between the powerful French finance minister Jean-Baptiste Colbert and a group of French businessmen led by a certain M. Le Gendre. When the eager mercantilist minister asked how the French state could be of service to the merchants and help promote their commerce, Le Gendre replied simply "Laissez-nous faire" ("Leave us be", lit. "Let us do").


But I know, that's crazy talk. The Depression PROVED that laissez-faire doesn't work.

Posted by Leisher on Aug. 26 2013,11:55
< Are we headed to Syria? >

I kind of hope we do just so I can watch the Obama backers try and explain him getting us into another war.

Posted by GORDON on Aug. 26 2013,12:03
Didn't you notice how bloodthirsty the liberals got after Bin Laden was killed?
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 26 2013,12:52
QUOTE
Certainly, a red line for us has been the use of chemicals against people. That has occurred. We need to obviously respond to that, but I don’t want us to change our overall policy.


< Overall policy of US on chemical weapons >: make sure you're not on the receiving end.
QUOTE
They were able to launch the strikes after being given maps, satellite pictures and other intelligence by the U.S.

The Americans have always said that Iraq did not reveal that they would launch chemical strikes.

But documents released in the National Archives and interviews with former serviceman show that the U.S. acquiesced in the use of chemical weapons as they tried to help Saddam with the war.

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 27 2013,10:13
< Head of American SS steps down >.
QUOTE
“For every attack we experience, every threat we face, and every piece of intelligence we come across, we learn. We assess our preparations and capabilities. We make changes,” the former Arizona governor said.

You lying bitch.

Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 27 2013,11:26
Between Syria and the coming budget showdowns, I'm guessing the stock markets will be WONDERFUL.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 27 2013,13:11
Haven't we gone without a budget for years, now?  I thought we weren't passing them.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 27 2013,13:14
< Raise > the roof ceiling.
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 27 2013,13:21

(GORDON @ Aug. 27 2013,16:11)
QUOTE
Haven't we gone without a budget for years, now?  I thought we weren't passing them.

We've had budgets, it's just that the President has never sent one to the Congress, iirc.

We have to have a budget, or the government "shuts down" like it did in 1995-1996.

So that has to be done by 9/30.

Then, the debt ceiling has to be raised by 10/15 or so.

Yay!

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 29 2013,10:15
< Executive orders for everything gun-related >.
Posted by thibodeaux on Aug. 29 2013,11:54
QUOTE
Many of the proposals required congressional approval, but within months, the legislative machinery had stalled, leaving executive action as the administration's only recourse.

So glad we got rid of those pesky kings.

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 29 2013,12:16
QUOTE
Jones, who has been the acting director of the ATF since 2011 as he awaited Senate confirmation, thanked Biden and the rest of the administration for the "privilege" of leading the bureau, promising to take the ATF's enforcement activities to "the next level" in his stead as director.

Awesome.  Guess that means even more Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents.

QUOTE
On Thursday, Biden said he and Mr. Obama remain "committed" to legislative action to reduce gun violence, promising, "If Congress won't act, we'll fight for a new Congress. It's that simple. But we're going to get this done."

Laws be damned.



Posted by GORDON on Aug. 30 2013,19:30
Actually, it's none of your god damned fucking business who visits the White House, citizen.

< http://washingtonexaminer.com/appeals....2534954 >

Most transparent administration in history.

Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 02 2013,12:36
lol:

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 03 2013,10:38
< Just to recap the past two decades >.
Democrat bombs brown people: ok.
Republican bombs brown people: not ok.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 04 2013,09:55
Regarding this Syria thing:

For those of you who still engage in political conversations with liberals, there is a question I would like answered:

How is it Obama got elected, in part, on a platform of not "attacking countries that never attacked us," but now it is totally cool to do so and we all need to support our President?

Because y'all know shit like that pisses me off.

fake edit - and goddammit, I can't find anything on google for when that was said.  I remember it being said 10 years ago, but maybe I am just remembering general hippy ramblings to list yet another reason why Bush sucked.

Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 04 2013,10:13
I assume you're being facetious. Because anybody who pays attention knows that it's not important what a politician says. What's important is which side he's on.

Father Guido could teach that to you in < Five Minutes >.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 04 2013,10:20
< Talking head speaks some more >.
QUOTE
President Barack Obama has said the credibility of the US, its Congress and the international community is on the line over their response to Syria's alleged use of chemical weapons.

What credibility?  This is the same international community that thought Gangnam Style needed a billion YouTube views.

Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 04 2013,11:26
QUOTE
How is it Obama got elected, in part, on a platform of not "attacking countries that never attacked us," but now it is totally cool to do so and we all need to support our President?

Jon Stewart hit that point a bit last night, too.  Tied what Obama is doing now very nicely to both Bush Jr and Bush Sr and their wars in the Middle East.

But he didn't put an answer to your question.  Just asked it.



Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 04 2013,11:46
On my FB, the few people (left or right) talking about Syria are pretty much all talking about a) not doing it and b) the President has no plan.
Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 04 2013,11:58
I am in favor of stopping mass murder when we can, but I don't think we really can in this case.  Not effectively, at least.  The UN might be able to put something together, but that is unlikely as they are almost never effective just on general principle.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 04 2013,12:02

(TPRJones @ Sep. 04 2013,13:58)
QUOTE
I am in favor of stopping mass murder when we can, but I don't think we really can in this case.  Not effectively, at least.  The UN might be able to put something together, but that is unlikely as they are almost never effective just on general principle.

The US is awesome at toppling brutal dictators.  We suck chlamydia-ridden donkey balls at stabilizing countries after doing that.

We sucked in Iraq, Afghanistan, and we'll suck in Syria, too, if we try.  Anyone over there who's neither relatively insane or corrupt we want to give power to?

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 05 2013,09:45
< Iran will defend Syria "to the end". >

This is essentially the world showing they have no respect for Obama.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 05 2013,10:09
QUOTE
President Hassan Rowhani said Iran will do "everything to prevent" an attack on the Syrian regime, according to extracts from statements he made before the Assembly of Experts published in the media.

Looks like the new boss is just as insane as the old boss.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 05 2013,10:10
< Putin: John Kerry is lying >.

QUOTE
Speaking to his human rights council Wednesday, Putin said, "This was very unpleasant and surprising for me. We talk to them (the Americans), and we assume they are decent people, but he is lying and he knows that he is lying. This is sad."



Posted by Leisher on Sep. 05 2013,10:34
I just saw on the Twitters that Russia has compiled its own 100 page report detailing evidence that the Syrian rebels were behind the gas attack.

Quite honestly, Russia's position seems strong. Why would the government use gas on civilians in a war it's winning? Who would benefit from such an attack? The government or the rebels?

I think instead of randomly bombing, they should really investigate the issue and be 100% sure that the Syrian government was actually behind the attack.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 05 2013,11:11
QUOTE
Why would the government use gas on civilians in a war it's winning?

To end it sooner.

QUOTE
Russia's position seems strong...

How do they prove which group launched the chems?

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 05 2013,11:18
QUOTE
To end it sooner.


Why not use it on actual rebels then?

QUOTE
How do they prove which group launched the chems?


I don't know, wait to see their version.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 05 2013,11:25

(Leisher @ Sep. 05 2013,13:18)
QUOTE
QUOTE
To end it sooner.


Why not use it on actual rebels then?

Civies are easier targets.  Maybe they were providing assistance.  Maybe they just want to break any local public support for the rebels.  Maybe they just wanted to call the bluff of the international community.  They figure Egypt's getting away with shit, why not them?
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 05 2013,12:06
QUOTE
Civies are easier targets.  Maybe they were providing assistance.  Maybe they just want to break any local public support for the rebels.  Maybe they just wanted to call the bluff of the international community.  They figure Egypt's getting away with shit, why not them?


Again, in a war they're winning, and knowing it could easily bring other countries into the fray and seriously damage their chances of winning? It makes no sense.

Things were far more dire early on, and they didn't use them then.

QUOTE
US State Department says Australia, Albania, Canada, Denmark, France, Kosovo, Poland, Romania and Turkey are on board with attack on Syria


That's from a news feed on Twitter.

Sounds like we're going it alone, huh? (wink wink nudge nudge)

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 06 2013,10:51
< Biden >: Former head of American SS should be Supreme Court Justice.
Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 06 2013,11:17

(Malcolm @ Sep. 06 2013,13:51)
QUOTE
< Biden >: Former head of American SS should be Supreme Court Justice.

Well, you gotta figure she's had the opportunity to dig up a lot of dirt on people, so he'll say whatever she wants him to.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 09 2013,10:45
Maybe we'll bomb Syria, < maybe not >.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 11 2013,07:13





Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 16 2013,10:57
< Wow >.
QUOTE
"I cannot remember a time when one faction of one party promises economic chaos if it can't get 100 percent of what it wants," Obama said Monday. "That's never happened before."

Really?

QUOTE
Obama reiterated his refusal to negotiate with Republicans over the debt ceiling. And he called on Congress to "pass a budget without drama."

Yep, never happened before or since.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 17 2013,18:13
Waren Buffet says Obamacare wont work.

< http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBl....ng-Else >

Amazing how a lot of much poorer people than him knew that years and years ago.

Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 18 2013,07:04
QUOTE
UPDATE: John Sexton noticed that the quotes being pulled from an article published last week about Buffett and Obamacare came from a March 1 Politico story. It appears that Buffett was opposing ObamaCare before it was passed.

So did Buffett.

Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 18 2013,09:39
I've been saying this for a long time, and why Obamacare doesn't help and won't help.




Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 18 2013,10:00
I can't stand this bozo's voice. Why is talking like that?
Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 18 2013,16:01
He's talking like that because he's gotten very very popular talking like that.

That's John Green, he and his brother Hank produce lots of videos ranging from their Vlogbrothers 2.0 stuff (like this one) to a variety of educational channels (topics ranging from Chemistry to Biology to Museums to History to Literature, each with either it's own channel or a very long series of weekly videos dedicated to the topic) as well as a 100-week weekly production of Pride and Prejudice.  I watch a lot of YouTube, and they directly or indirectly produce about 1/4 of the best of it.  They've raised a lot of money every year for charity as well (not quite up to Child's Play levels, but give them a couple of years more).  [EDIT to add: They also started VidCon together, and Hank invented 2D glasses as well as creating a music production house and a t-shirt company.  I keep thinking of other things to mention so I'll stop here, but they produce a lot of content and products and are annoyingly successful.]

John's also a very good "young adult" author and wrote some great books that are classified as "young adult" but are actually just good.  Only JK Rowling has done more to inspire young adults to read books for fun in the past decade.

On the whole, I sincerely recommend anything John and/or Hank as done, as the odds are it is probably very good.

EDIT: Unless it's politics, they're both fairly liberal and sometimes silly liberals.  But even then they'll be more clear thinking about it than most silly liberals.



Posted by Leisher on Sep. 20 2013,06:11

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 20 2013,11:38
< Prez makes nonpartisan statement >.
QUOTE
"They're focused on politics, they're focused on trying to mess with me," Obama told a crowd at a Ford plant in Kansas City. "They're not focused on you."

Douche.  A rather self-important one at that.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 20 2013,12:35
The Cleveland Clinic, a hospital Obama praised as an example of health care that works, and what hospitals will be under Obamacare has to < slash its budget and lay people off due to Obamacare. >
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 23 2013,10:35
< Health care laws running smoothly >.
Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 23 2013,10:55
It looks like Obamacare is going to do more to remove insurance coverage from Americans than any other law ever passed.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 23 2013,11:35
Love how they are shifting the full blame to the Republicans in that article. They go out of their way to mention Obamacare or that Dems passed this piece of shit law, but almost immediately say if children go uninsured, it would be House Republicans' fault.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 23 2013,12:16
< "Looming" > shutdown.  Stop.  Spending.  So.  Much.  Fucking.  Money.
Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 23 2013,12:28
A shutdown sounds exactly like what I need.  Help most people realize they don't really need government in their lives after all.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 26 2013,07:45
< Obamacare will work as long as everyone pays for it and no one uses it. >

QUOTE
   [Twenty-five-year-old Steven] Binko is one of 2.7 million healthy 18- to 34-year-olds, dubbed the young invincibles, that the Obama administration has said are needed in the exchanges to offset the cost of providing care for millions of other uninsured people who are likely to be older and sicker. Without young adults, who pay for insurance yet rarely use it, premium costs in the exchanges may soar. . . .

   The challenge is how do you make young people see the value of having insurance at a time in their lives when they are least likely to use it and least capable of affording it.


Quote of the decade, right there.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 26 2013,08:15
Fuck my work-provided health insurance.  It's enough to make me think of shopping around again.
Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 26 2013,09:04
QUOTE
The challenge is how do you make young people see the value of having insurance at a time in their lives when they are least likely to use it and least capable of affording it.

I thought they already answered this.  You make it mandatory and force them to pay for it whether they can afford it or not upon threat of official governmental use of force.



Posted by GORDON on Sep. 26 2013,09:41
I don't even know how it works any more.  My mother, a tax accountant, says Obamacare is the best thing ever and is good for everyone (also democrat).  I guess I will see how things go next spring when I do my taxes.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 26 2013,10:37
Your mom is beyond brainwashed. Hell, even Warren Buffet, who might know more about finances than your mother, says Obamacare is a piece of shit, and he's Obama's friend!
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 27 2013,11:07
< Senate refunds >.
QUOTE
Tempers and rhetoric were heated on Friday as Democrats accused their Republican colleagues of playing with legislative fire.

"We are at one of the most dangerous points in our history right now -- every bit as dangerous as the break-up of the Union before the Civil War," said Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa.

You're an alarmist douchebag, Tom.  Then again, I understand time actually moves slower through Iowa due to the increased density of nothingness there, maintaining a miasma of sheer boredom with a trademark slow motion, quicksand-like temporal quality.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 27 2013,11:08
< Health care for hamsters >.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 29 2013,10:25
Senator < buries needle > on the WTF-o-Meter.
QUOTE
"I [Senator Dick "Head" Durbin] fully support that (debate), but let's sit down in a bipartisan and calm way, not with the prospect of shutting down the government or shutting down the economy," he said.


Dick Durbin says he supports debate.  He also supports SOPA and COICA (Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act).  Let's also remember what he said to get elected to the post he's decomposed in for two plus decades ...
QUOTE
Durbin's campaign emphasized unemployment and financial difficulties facing farmers, and told voters that electing him would send "a message to Washington and to President Reagan that our economic policies are not working."

Nothing bipartisan there.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 29 2013,12:08
MSNBC clears up Obamacare for those who still have questins about it:

< http://www.nbcnews.com/health....1270786 >

QUOTE
Q: Starting next year, everyone will be required to get health insurance or they will face a fine. How much is the penalty?

A: Starting in 2014, if you do not have health coverage, you will be penalized when you file your tax return the following year. For an individual, the fee is a minimum of $95, or 1 percent of adjusted income -- whichever is greater. For a family, the minimum penalty can't be more than $285 -- but it can go as high as 1 percent of adjusted family income.

Within two years, there's quite a jump. In 2016, the penalty is $695 for every adult, and the minimum penalty for a family is capped at $2,085. However, it can be as high as 2.5 percent of the family income -- whichever is greater.


So, we don't know what coverage will cost, but the penalty for not having it will be $95 the first year, or possibly not.  With a max penalty for a family $285, or possibly not.

Thanks MSNBC, it is crystal clear, now.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 29 2013,17:46
Somewhere, there's a large Plinko board that describes it all.
Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 30 2013,06:46
Don't have the money to buy health care?  That's okay, there's a fine you can pay instead!  Can't afford the fine?  Well now it's a tax violation, so you better afford the fine or go to jail!

Now don't you feel better?

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 30 2013,10:41
Bill Clin-ton speaks out about his < amnesia from 2000-2008 >.
QUOTE
"I've never seen a time-- can you remember a time in your lifetime when a major political party was just sitting around, begging for America to fail?"

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 30 2013,10:43
Shutdown?  Fuck you, < we need to get reelected, plebes >.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 01 2013,07:24
< Gov't shuts down.  No one notices.  Asshole-in-chief panders to masses >.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 01 2013,10:15
< Greatest government in the world >.
QUOTE
After missing the midnight Eastern deadline to avert the shutdown, Republicans and Democrats in the House continued a bitter blame game, each side shifting responsibility to the other in efforts to redirect a possible public backlash.
...
A Reuters/Ipsos poll showed about one-quarter of Americans would blame Republicans for a shutdown, 14 percent would blame Obama and 5 percent would blame Democrats in Congress, while 44 percent said everyone would be to blame.

Every single member of Congress deserves assassination at this point.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 01 2013,10:40
< No problems at gov't health care website >.
QUOTE
met with messages citing high traffic and advising, “Please wait here until we send you to the login page” or “The system is down at the moment.” A state-run exchange in Maryland also posted a message saying it was “experiencing connectivity issues” and asking visitors to try again later. Other states reported scattered problems.

Shit, are they trying to get health care or play EA's Sim City?

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 01 2013,11:40
< HAHAHAHAHAHA >.
QUOTE
Obama says that if the shutdown continues, it will make it more difficult to recruit talented people for government jobs.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 01 2013,12:40
< "It's different." >
QUOTE
The conservative debate over the individual mandate is one largely of semantics. It assumes that if the government mandates something, that it is overreaching its power and inching the country closer to socialism.

Many times when this same argument is invoked there is validity in it, but this time it’s different. That's because only other option as it currently stands is the abusive system that we have been dealing with — one of runaway insurance and medical costs, coupled with a growing sector of uninsured individuals.

As Whole Foods Founder John Mackey infamously commented to NPR in January, the reality of the law can actually be characterized as closer to fascism than socialism itself.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 01 2013,13:31
< IRS official in charge of audits > for political organizations "retires."
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 01 2013,14:50
People keep lamenting the government shutting down, and all I can think is YAY!
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 01 2013,15:40
I  would be pissed if this was my Yellowstone Park week.... but besides that...
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 01 2013,16:05
Seriously... I wonder how long I'd have to wait if I waited until I actually noticed that the government was shut down.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 01 2013,16:07
2 seconds until some leftie screamed about how the world was ending.
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 01 2013,16:28
OK... ASIDE from the whining... like how long until it impacted my life in some meaningful way.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 01 2013,16:47
I can only think of good things.  

I assume the IRS is still hunting down tea party groups with shotguns and hounds, though.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 01 2013,20:05
< Unofficial list > of shit shut down and kind of how.  Thank god the TSA is still 80-something% there.  Wouldn't want those irreplaceable, talented individuals to be out of work.
Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 02 2013,04:35
I have heard that the shutdown has "shut down" several government websites---the servers are still running, mind, they just serve a page that says "website shut down."

Not sure if this is true or not. But it's totally believable. Because the whole point of the shutdown is to show how awful the Rethuglicans are.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 02 2013,09:09
< Bitchfest today >.
QUOTE
"It's time for Republicans to stop throwing one crazy idea after another at the wall in hopes that something will stick," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid

Sounds like Harry's pissed other people are trying to elbow him out of his biz.

Let's go default!
QUOTE
a default on the national debt, which will arrive Oct. 17 unless Congress acts to authorize increased borrowing


QUOTE
On Capitol Hill, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said the shuttering of the government "seriously damages our ability to protect the safety and security of this nation and its citizens."

I refer everyone to the list I posted earlier regarding what orgs got what cuts.  You'll note the vast majority of security agencies, etc., are carrying on.

QUOTE
As the debate played out, it also threatened to overshadow the somewhat rocky implementation of health care exchanges under the Affordable Care Act.

If I were a cynical man, I'd start connecting some dots in a comedic "Wag the Dog" conspiracy theory kind of way.



Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 02 2013,11:20

(thibodeaux @ Oct. 02 2013,07:35)
QUOTE
I have heard that the shutdown has "shut down" several government websites---the servers are still running, mind, they just serve a page that says "website shut down."

Not sure if this is true or not. But it's totally believable. Because the whole point of the shutdown is to show how awful the Rethuglicans are.

Library of Congress for one.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 02 2013,11:25
< Boehner's boner >.  It's all his fault.
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 03 2013,06:18
< Healthcare.Gov - Call us! >

1-800-318-2596
1-800-F  U-CKYO

Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 03 2013,06:34
pwn3d
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 03 2013,07:16
Odds of that being a coincidence?
Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 03 2013,07:38
Computable.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 03 2013,10:13
< Day 3 >.
QUOTE
In urging Boehner to call a vote on a bill without health care restrictions, Obama said the "one way out of this reckless and damaging Republican shutdown" is a spending plan "with no partisan strings attached."
...
Obama, who met with congressional leaders at the White House on Wednesday night, repeated his stance that he would not negotiate health care and budget issues until the government is reopened and the debt ceiling is raised.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 03 2013,12:49
I really like this one:


Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 03 2013,13:24
< No media bias here >.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 03 2013,13:29
I like how that site really tries to pretend like it's non-biased, yet every single story is anti-GOP and pro-Obama, while every single person commenting in their forum uses words like "Conz", "Repugs", etc. to describe Republicans, and blame absolutely everything on them.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 04 2013,21:30
Here's an original thought: We are on Day 4 of the government shutdown.  If it ends tomorrow, will we be given back 4 days worth of taxes, since we didn't have any government for those days?

I know.  Just one of those funny thoughts.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 05 2013,05:14
They're already passing a bill to make sure all furloughed employees get back pay... so yeah, that money comes from somewhere.
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 05 2013,07:24
People are posting that this law will make healthcare costs go down
Peep1: "My husband has a pre-existing condition, and now we will have coverage for those expenses!"
Me: That doesnt mean the US will spend less on healthcare, it just means you will.
Peep2: Actually, people will have preventative coverage, and not go to ERs, so health care expenses will go down. That's one of the main benefits of this law.
Peep1: Like Peep1 said, spending will go down.
Me: $100 that healthcare spending goes up next year in the US.

Waiting for a response.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 05 2013,09:14
There isn't any possible way the costs won't increase with this law, as written.  It has been obvious since the concept phase, the only people denying it are either ignorant or rooting for "their side."
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 05 2013,09:46
Buddy of mine had to get crutches recently.

Health insurance way of getting them: five calls to four different call centers plus a few days of waiting.
Sane way of getting them: rent them at Walgreen's for $10, now.

I wonder how much those call centers cost to staff versus one associate sales clerk.



Posted by GORDON on Oct. 05 2013,09:51
I've been hanging out in a lot of pharmacies lately.

Day in and day out, nearly every customer, "Sorry your insurance provider wont cover what your doctor prescribed.  You're going to have to get back to your doctor and........."  Or, "Sorry, but through your insurance that medication is going to cost you ($X in which X is usually greater than 100), do you still want it?"  Usually the answer is no.  Why do people have "insurance," again?

It is such a good thing Obama gave the insurance companies so many new customers by force, because they are certainly not what is wrong with the American medical system in the first place.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 05 2013,10:02
Total cost my "health insurance" has covered for chiro visits this year: $0.  It is almost impossible for me to have them pay out a single cent unless I visit someone outside their network.  I think they send some dudes to rough me up then.
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 05 2013,11:25
I wouldn't cover chiro either :p

No one took me up on my bet.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 05 2013,16:16
I have to meet my deductible of $X dollars before they start chipping in.  They will also only cover the first Y visits per year.  Then they only apply about 50% of the chiro bills to the deductible then set X and Y so it's virtually impossible for them to have to pay anything.

The health plan I got from work was the least shitty option of the three I was given.  Only one with a HSA.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 08 2013,16:46
The chick in charge of Obamacare is on Jon Stewart right now.

She seems really demoralized.

Jon just asked her, "Do you think I am stupid?"

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 08 2013,17:37
OK, I'm officially done with this debt crisis.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 08 2013,18:20

(GORDON @ Oct. 08 2013,19:46)
QUOTE
The chick in charge of Obamacare is on Jon Stewart right now.

She seems really demoralized.

Jon just asked her, "Do you think I am stupid?"

She also wouldn't answer the question, "How many people are enrolled in Obamacare right now?"

I am guessing close to zero.

But she said there have been thousands of people signed up for the .com account.

Which just got completely refreshed:

< http://arstechnica.com/informa....cramble >

QUOTE
mid all the attention, bugs, and work happening at Healthcare.gov in light of the Affordable Care Act, potential registrants talking to phone support today have been told that all user passwords are being reset to help address the site's login woes. And the tech supports behind Healthcare.gov will be asking more users to act in the name of fixing the site, too. According to registrants speaking with Ars, individuals whose logins never made it to the site's database will have to re-register using a different username, as their previously chosen names are now stuck in authentication limbo.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 08 2013,18:22
Supposedly these are veterans who were arrested for not leaving their war memorial.

< http://instagram.com/p/fMKBmWhmvs/# >

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 09 2013,11:48
QUOTE
I miss Jimmy Carter. Yeah he was awful but at least you never got the sense he was out and out anti-American. I simply can't say the same about Obama and his minions.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 09 2013,12:29
Not there just yet.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 09 2013,15:02

(Malcolm @ Oct. 09 2013,15:29)
QUOTE
Not there just yet.

Peeps were talking about the park services working really hard to keep people from parks/monuments/scenic overlooks, to the point of taking over private property and/or arresting people.
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 10 2013,07:40

(GORDON @ Oct. 09 2013,18:02)
QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Oct. 09 2013,15:29)
QUOTE
Not there just yet.

Peeps were talking about the park services working really hard to keep people from parks/monuments/scenic overlooks, to the point of taking over private property and/or arresting people.

< This place > is privately owned, but on federal land.  Got shutdown, reopened, got re-shutdown, but is now open.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 11 2013,10:11
< Making fun of the shutdown. >
Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 11 2013,12:10
If < this is true >, it's just too delicious for words:

QUOTE
“Of course, I want people to have health care,” Vinson said. “I just didn’t realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally.”


No shit?

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 11 2013,12:31
Just makes you want to scream in someone's face, doesn't it.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 11 2013,12:55

(GORDON @ Oct. 11 2013,14:31)
QUOTE
Just makes you want to scream in someone's face, doesn't it.

Nah.  Too much work.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 14 2013,12:05
< Come on, default >.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 15 2013,10:19
< 1.5 days left >.  Competing plans in House and Senate.
QUOTE
House Republicans are working to pass their own plan to reopen government and avert an impending Thursday default deadline instead of waiting for Senate leaders who are nearing agreement on a competing budget offer.

However, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, struck a cautious tone about how the House would proceed following a nearly two-hour meeting with GOP lawmakers. "There are a lot of opinions about what direction to go. There have been no decisions about what exactly we will do," he said.

Those last two thoughts sum up both the White House and Congress for the past decade or so, John.  Nice one.

Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 15 2013,20:20
Let it burn.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 15 2013,20:38
Told ya.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 16 2013,10:13
Pretty sure the House will rubber stamp whatever the Senate passes.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 18 2013,13:45
New York doctors re: Obamacare: This is going to be a race to the bottom.

< http://www.jammiewf.com/2013....-bottom >

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 18 2013,13:56
Doctors should just do their shit for the minimum they can, and do it for public service.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 18 2013,14:19
I'm still not sure why so many people see health care as a "right."
Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 18 2013,16:07
Too many people can't handle the idea of life and death being in the hands of the marketplace.  But it's not an unlimited resource so it's either that or communistic distribution, and they refuse to pick.  So we are changing our default from the former to the latter.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 18 2013,19:44

(GORDON @ Oct. 18 2013,16:19)
QUOTE
I'm still not sure why so many people see health care as a "right."

Because the UN and WHO have been spewing that bullshit since post-WWII when the collective testicular military might of the West gave way to pussy hippie Marxism.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 18 2013,20:23
< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....igators >

QUOTE
"We need to give assurance to Kansans that as the reams of Obamacare regulations continue to roll down from Washington D.C., we will be working with our colleagues to find solutions that will help shield the people of Kansas from the worst aspects of this broad government overreach," she said in a statement.


Racists.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 19 2013,15:14
This is who voted for Obama, and why the Republicans could give every $1000, cure cancer, kill all evil, and still lose.


Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 19 2013,15:57
QUOTE
This is who voted for Obama, and why the Republicans could give every $1000, cure cancer, kill all evil, and still lose.

They've been doing a spectacular job of killing their image for decades now.  They're hardly blameless for the hole they find themselves in.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 19 2013,19:11
I choose stupid and evil over deceptive and evil.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 19 2013,19:57

(GORDON @ Oct. 19 2013,21:11)
QUOTE
I choose stupid and evil over deceptive and evil.

Why choose either, grasshoppa?  Fuck 'em both.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 19 2013,20:21

(Malcolm @ Oct. 19 2013,22:57)
QUOTE

(GORDON @ Oct. 19 2013,21:11)
QUOTE
I choose stupid and evil over deceptive and evil.

Why choose either, grasshoppa?  Fuck 'em both.

Because we don't have a 3rd choice.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 20 2013,10:15
There's always a third choice.  I can think of a couple:

1) not voting at all
2) not voting for a donkey or pachyderm unless they've proven their sanity ... which is kind of impossible but I'll at least allow for the possibility
3) somehow turn bot nets against Congress and bomb their social media accounts with repeated messages about how much they suck

The real problem is, of course, no one can actually tell what legislation is going to do because the language is so densely and hastily constructed that goddamn near any interpretation becomes valid or invalid, depending upon what old-ass, mummy dick-sucking, greedy, pandering, partisan asshole is making the call that particular day.  Furthermore, unless you hold someone at gunpoint and shove the results in front of their eyes, no one bothers to check voting or role call records, either.  Want to fix the gov't and election process?  Find a way to marshal the citizens that could vote but don't.  I've not seen a major shift in the standard party demographics for a long, long time now, and I'm unconvinced "swing" voters exist anymore.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 20 2013,16:24
I don't think any of what you said has a chance of making a difference, as the chance of any of it succeeding is so low it might as well be zero.  There is no 3rd option.... unless you count armed overthrow an option.  That really is the only way anything will change.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 20 2013,16:35
I will not vote for anyone simply because they're the lesser of two evils.  The world is not fucking binary.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 20 2013,17:01

(Malcolm @ Oct. 20 2013,19:35)
QUOTE
I will not vote for anyone simply because they're the lesser of two evils.  The world is not fucking binary.

But the American political system is.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 20 2013,17:33

(GORDON @ Oct. 20 2013,19:01)
QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Oct. 20 2013,19:35)
QUOTE
I will not vote for anyone simply because they're the lesser of two evils.  The world is not fucking binary.

But the American political system is.

Nah.  It's just a marathon up a steep incline of ice.  Much as I disagree with Bill Mahr on a great many economic things, he had a great suggestion that politicians should wear patches with the corporate logos of their sponsors, just like NASCAR racers.  C'mon, that shit ought to be a law on the hilarity potential alone.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 20 2013,17:35
But they wont do that.  

There are lots of ways we could make politicians more honest through the passage of laws, but who passes the laws?

There is no 3rd option.  They run the game and they make the rules.

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 21 2013,08:16
QUOTE
There's always a third choice.  I can think of a couple:

1) not voting at all

QUOTE
There is no 3rd option.

Bah, that's exactly what they want you to think.  You've already let them win.

There are plenty of 3rd party options, and any one of them would sweep the next elections if everyone that believed the Rep & Dem "no 3rd option" bullshit turned up to vote for them.

Refuse to not vote, and refuse to vote for the "lesser evil".  If you do either of those things you are doing exactly what the assholes in power want you to do.  Find yourself some insane 3rd party candidate and vote for them instead.  If your ballot doesn't have any 3rd party candidates showing up on it, then if you give a crap about your country then maybe you should be that crazy 3rd party candidate yourself next time around.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 21 2013,10:11
QUOTE
if you give a crap about your country then maybe you should be that crazy 3rd party candidate yourself next time around

Given the leaders this country has put in place, no, I don't.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 21 2013,10:19
< I dare any US artist to do this in DC >.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 21 2013,10:24
< Spin on >.
QUOTE
"Nobody's madder than me about the website not working as well as it should, which means it's going to get fixed," Obama said without specifying exactly what went wrong or who was to blame.

Yep, because I'm sure it prevented you from signing up for health care.

QUOTE
At the same time, he argued that the health insurance available through the 2010 Affordable Care Act provided Americans previously unable to get coverage with the security of knowing that an accident or illness wouldn't bankrupt them.

Yeah, they can be bankrupted through other means like wasteful, inefficient government spending.

QUOTE
Initial difficulties have started to ease for logging on to the website for the new exchanges, some of which are run by states and others by the federal government. Now problems are occurring further along the process, with insurance industry sources having said they are getting some applications with missing information.

You can't run a website, but a national health care system -- you got that shit, no problem.

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 21 2013,10:29
QUOTE
I dare any US artist to do this in DC.

I'm sure they'd be taken down for being a terrorist if they tried.

I just read Little Brother by Cory Doctorow.  Everyone who hates the TSA and Homeland Security should read it.



Posted by Leisher on Oct. 21 2013,10:29
I've heard the number of people enrolled is an absolute joke. I've heard as low as 38,000 to 176,000.

Totally worth crippling our economy.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 21 2013,12:23
I've heard that the problem is this:  healthy people who can take or leave Obamacare are trying once to enroll, then giving up.  Sick people who need shitloads of money for medical bills are highly motivated to keep trying to sign up.  Obamacare is signing up the people who need the free money, and not the people who will be paying the free money.
Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 21 2013,12:35
Financially speaking, currently it still makes more sense for most of those healthy people to just pay the penalties.  Much cheaper.

As long as they stay healthy, of course.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 21 2013,12:39
This year the penalty is only $95, but I know it increases after that.

If Obamacare remains a Thing, I can see some really harsh IRS enforcement coming because it is going to be bankrupt out of the gate.  Good thing they bought so much ammo.  Shit's gonna hurt.

Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 21 2013,13:16
I can't decide if

1) the shittiness of Obamacare is intentional, so as to make everybody throw up their hands and say, "fuckit let's just do what Canada does."
or
2) it's just the usual government incompetence

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 21 2013,13:22

(thibodeaux @ Oct. 21 2013,15:16)
QUOTE
I can't decide if

1) the shittiness of Obamacare is intentional, so as to make everybody throw up their hands and say, "fuckit let's just do what Canada does."
or
2) it's just the usual government incompetence

Probably the latter.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 21 2013,13:45
QUOTE


Speaking of jobs. I just liberated myself from my most recent one.

I've spent the last 3 months taking phone calls from insurance agents/brokers who were attempting to navigate the miserable gauntlet that is registering on the Obamacare websites to be eligible to sell insurance on the Federally Facilitated Marketplaces. The poor tortured souls would spend hours on hold to get to one of us, who then informed them they had to "be patient" and "keep trying". Some of them were beyond frantic. If they couldn't complete the process, they were basically out of business.

I felt like a Catholic priest working at Planned Parenthood.

Or a PETA member working in a slaughterhouse.

Last Friday, I'd had enough. Walked out. Fin. Worst job I've ever had. And that list includes spending 8 hours a day in a hot factory with a hand-held pneumatic air-chisel (basically a small hand-held jackhammer) removing slag from welds on steel tractor frames.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 21 2013,13:57
< http://www.hhs.gov/digital....er.html >

QUOTE
TECH SURGE

To ensure that we make swift progress, and that the consumer experience continues to improve, our team has called in additional help to solve some of the more complex technical issues we are encountering.

Our team is bringing in some of the best and brightest from both inside and outside government to scrub in with the team and help improve HealthCare.gov.


Everyone knows the best way to fix a mangled, broken, mismanaged, behind schedule software project is to bring in more people who will have to be brought up to speed first.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 21 2013,16:22
For the right money, they can buy me
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 21 2013,20:16

(TheCatt @ Oct. 21 2013,18:22)
QUOTE
For the right money, they can buy me

Was out at the pub tonight.  Said to my buddy, "I can solve all your health care website problems for the rock bottom price of $500 an hour."
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 21 2013,20:18

(Malcolm @ Oct. 21 2013,23:16)
QUOTE

(TheCatt @ Oct. 21 2013,18:22)
QUOTE
For the right money, they can buy me

Was out at the pub tonight.  Said to my buddy, "I can solve all your health care website problems for the rock bottom price of $500 an hour."

I'd bet a dollar that salary is not uncommon in the group that "coded" it.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 21 2013,20:26

(GORDON @ Oct. 21 2013,22:18)
QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Oct. 21 2013,23:16)
QUOTE

(TheCatt @ Oct. 21 2013,18:22)
QUOTE
For the right money, they can buy me

Was out at the pub tonight.  Said to my buddy, "I can solve all your health care website problems for the rock bottom price of $500 an hour."

I'd bet a dollar that salary is not uncommon in the group that "coded" it.

That is OBSCENE.  For $500/hr, I could code that shit up flawlessly.  For $500/hr, I can hire the best designers and architects money can buy.  Easily, no contest.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 22 2013,10:18
< More taxes, motherfuckers >.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 22 2013,13:10

(Malcolm @ Oct. 21 2013,23:26)
QUOTE

(GORDON @ Oct. 21 2013,22:18)
QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Oct. 21 2013,23:16)
QUOTE

(TheCatt @ Oct. 21 2013,18:22)
QUOTE
For the right money, they can buy me

Was out at the pub tonight.  Said to my buddy, "I can solve all your health care website problems for the rock bottom price of $500 an hour."

I'd bet a dollar that salary is not uncommon in the group that "coded" it.

That is OBSCENE.  For $500/hr, I could code that shit up flawlessly.  For $500/hr, I can hire the best designers and architects money can buy.  Easily, no contest.

On my phone so not gonnA LOOk it up, but I heard this website has already cost about three hundred million dollars.

For a broken website.  If true, someone is making.500 an hour.

Someone.look it up.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 22 2013,13:46
QUOTE
It cost the federal government more than $300 million for outside contractors to set up the Obamacare website that has had so much trouble in its first three weeks of operation.
Most of that money has gone to six contractors that together have received more than $200 million in taxpayer funds, with the biggest single contractor receiving $88 million.
Overall, the government has spent $394 million setting up the website and the exchanges through which the public can buy health insurance, according to a report earlier this year from the General Accountability Office, a government watchdog. While not all the money went into the troubled websites, most of it did.

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 22 2013,14:25
QUOTE
Most of that money has gone to six contractors...

So was that one after the other because they kept making a mess of it and someone else had to come in to clean it up, and then mess it up themselves?  Or was that all at once and this is a failure of too many cooks in the kitchen?

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 22 2013,16:25
Almost

Half

a billion

dollars.

For a website.



Lots of peeps are making $500 an hour.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 22 2013,17:41

(GORDON @ Oct. 22 2013,18:25)
QUOTE
Almost

Half

a billion

dollars.

For a website.



Lots of peeps are making $500 an hour.

I'm so pissed I didn't think of this when the law was signed into effect.  Fuck, I'd give them a solid skeleton for $1M up front and finish the rest for $9M.

It doesn't even matter what they want.  $10M can hire overkill resources to do this, I don't give a fuck how much traffic, volume, bandwidth, or people are in play.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 22 2013,17:49
Sheeeeit.  I could deliver a broken website for half that price.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 22 2013,18:42
From what I understand, the contract was awarded, without bidding, to the company that did the same shit for Canada's system.  Did I mention Canada fired them for fucking it up so badly?

Yep. Obamacare is going to be awesome.

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 23 2013,06:10
I'm sure the Republicans are the one that picked that company for the job, to ensure that Obamacare would fail.

Darn Republicans, always ruining stuff.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 23 2013,06:20
Everything is still Bush's fault


Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 24 2013,08:43

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 24 2013,09:01
omg retarded.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2013,12:27

(TheCatt @ Oct. 24 2013,12:01)
QUOTE
omg retarded.

Dude, they only had $300 million and 2 years.  The 47 guys they had making $500/hour didn't have time to sort that carrier database alphabetically on the read.  That'll shake out in beta, obviously.
Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 24 2013,12:48
< Remember this? > She grew up to be a web designer.

DESIGNER.

Not coder.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 25 2013,10:20
< Details >.  They're where the devil lives.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 25 2013,18:56
More people have lost their insurance than have signed up for Obamacare.

< http://dailycaller.com/2013....t-rates >

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 28 2013,10:19
< Appoints former Bush idiot as new FBI director >.
QUOTE
Obama lauded Comey, a former Justice Department official during the Bush administration, amid mounting scrutiny of the federal government's far-reaching law enforcement practices, specifically to counter terror threats.

Since the current administration is trying to tank the country as much as the last one, it seems only appropriate the same fuckheads be brought in to do the tanking.



Posted by Leisher on Oct. 29 2013,07:09
Someone write down the date on this one.

< MSN saying Obama lied about insurance. >

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 29 2013,07:31
QUOTE
President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.

No, no, no, that's not a lie.  He just assumed that if you had insurance that didn't meet his standards, you certainly wouldn't like it.  You would hate that insurance, and be happy to see it cancelled.  

Duh.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 29 2013,10:15
< Obama > pleads naivete.  Fucking liar.
QUOTE
Obama never knew that the program targeted American allies, officials said, adding that he was aware of collection efforts aimed at leaders of “adversarial countries.”

You'd have to be the dumbest motherfucker on the planet to buy that.

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 29 2013,15:32
Could be true.  These days the US Government considers everyone to be adversarial.  They treat their citizens as adversarial, they treat all other countries as adversarial, some parts of the US Government even treats other parts of the US Government as adversarial.

Everyone and everything is guilty until proven innocent now.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 29 2013,16:26

(TPRJones @ Oct. 29 2013,17:32)
QUOTE
Could be true.  These days the US Government considers everyone to be adversarial.  They treat their citizens as adversarial, they treat all other countries as adversarial, some parts of the US Government even treats other parts of the US Government as adversarial.

Everyone and everything is guilty until proven innocent now.

Precisely.  There's no way in shit he was in Congress for this long and didn't realize that.  He's not Ned fucking Flanders.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 29 2013,16:45
He was only in Congress for 2 years, wasn't he?
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 29 2013,18:40

(GORDON @ Oct. 29 2013,18:45)
QUOTE
He was only in Congress for 2 years, wasn't he?

You don't just wander in there.  You know people who got you enough cash to kick out an incumbent or the seat was vacant and you were the best liar.  No one walks into Congress with that much idealism, no fucking way.  Chances are, you've already sold your fucking soul to get there.  Chicago isn't known for its immaculate or forgiving political scene.  I know it's Illinois, but come the fuck on, Chicago is Illinois.



Posted by GORDON on Oct. 31 2013,21:11
Obamacare: 6 enrollments on day 1.  250 the next day.  Need 39k per day until Mar 1 to work as designed.

< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18....ts-show >

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 01 2013,19:04
This has to be seen to be appreciated.

< https://twitter.com/memphisdaily/status/396375443294523392/photo/1 >

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 01 2013,19:05

(GORDON @ Nov. 01 2013,00:11)
QUOTE
Obamacare: 6 enrollments on day 1.  250 the next day.  Need 39k per day until Mar 1 to work as designed.

< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18....ts-show >

By the way, did anyone believe her when she was being asked by Congress how many signed up, and she said she didn't know?

Can't peeps be jailed for lying to congress?

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 01 2013,19:21

(GORDON @ Nov. 01 2013,22:04)
QUOTE
This has to be seen to be appreciated.

< https://twitter.com/memphisdaily/status/396375443294523392/photo/1 >

That's just fantastic.

By the way, they're ALL lying about the numbers.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 01 2013,19:40
I wish someone... anyone... would say to anyone involved with this, "You don't know?  That either makes you incompetent, or a liar.  Which is it?"


Posted by GORDON on Nov. 01 2013,19:43
He just seized even more power.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....k-force >

QUOTE
Through the stroke of a pen, President Obama on Friday used his executive powers to elevate and take control of climate change policies in an attempt to streamline sustainability initiatives – and potentially skirt legislative oversight and push a federal agenda on states.



Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 03 2013,04:28
< $3 billion to make a better website. >

Wait?  Not $3billion?  3 people?

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 03 2013,07:26
What a perfect example of how the US gov't has become completely hopeless when it comes to implementing anything technological.

WWII-era US gov't:
1938: Nuclear fission discovered.
1945: US drops two working nuclear bombs.

Modern US gov't:
1969: DARPA funds ARPANET.
1991: World Wide Web goes public.
2013: US gov't can't make a functional website for less than seven figures, even with a year plus of notice.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 03 2013,07:41
So I went to healthsherpa and tried it out.  It's super fast, works well.

Except, It mapped my zip code wrong.
QUOTE
Tell them you would like to purchase health exchange coverage, specifically the Blue Value Platinum 500 for Chatham County, NC.

I live in Wake County, next door.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 03 2013,08:11
That's what probably costs that half billion dollars.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 03 2013,14:40
I'm sure there's some law making it illegal for the government to use their website.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 03 2013,15:25

(GORDON @ Nov. 03 2013,16:40)
QUOTE
I'm sure there's some law making it illegal for the government to use their website.

Sure there is.  Those 3 dudes did things too efficiently.  The politicians need to cloak their bribery with huge, wasteful initiatives.  That makes it illegal by the unwritten laws of DC.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 04 2013,10:26
< I hate that state >.
QUOTE
The California Endowment, a private foundation that is spending millions to promote President Barack Obama's signature law, recently provided a $500,000 grant to ensure TV writers and producers have information about the Affordable Care Act that can be stitched into plot lines watched by millions.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 04 2013,12:58
< Captain hindsight chimes in >.
QUOTE
Attorney General Eric Holder said on Monday that accused September 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four alleged co-conspirators would already have been convicted and set for execution if they had been tried in civilian courts as Holder wanted in 2009.

Go fuck yourself and do something useful about the present, you shitty excuse for colostomy bag run-off.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 04 2013,15:21
I bet they also could have made a better healthcare website.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 05 2013,06:10
< Obama is proud of the blood on his hands. >

Who the fuck brags about something like that?

< Top hospitals are opting out of Obamacare. >

We already knew "you can keep your insurance" was bullshit. Now "keep your doctor and get treatment everywhere" is also bullshit.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 05 2013,10:22
Federal gov't: < International treaties trump local law >.
QUOTE
What had the justices up in arms was Verrilli's assertion that a federal law implementing the Chemical Weapons Convention of 1997 was used properly against 42-year-old Carol Anne Bond for an attack that burned the thumb of her husband's lover.

To repeat: an international chemical weapons treaty set up in '97 is being used to prosecute a woman who burned the thumb of the chick her husband was humping.  Did she do something criminal?  Yeah.  Why the fuck is this a federal case, though?  This is fucking stupid.

Precedent?
QUOTE
In defending their prosecution, federal officials cite a 1920 precedent, Missouri v. Holland, in which the Supreme Court ruled Congress could supersede state jurisdiction when implementing a treaty — in that case, a pact with Canada on the treatment of migratory birds.

I can see a lot of similarities between early twentieth century ornithology and twenty-first century chemical weapons.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 07 2013,08:09
My health care plan rocks ass, even though the chief architect < quit > last week.
QUOTE
Tony Trenkle is the chief information officer at the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the agency that built the Affordable Care Act’s online portal. He is in charge of Henry Chao, a deputy chief information officer at Medicare whose name came up in congressional hearings as the source of key HealthCare.gov decisions.
...
“Our chief operating officer announced yesterday Tony has accepted a position in private sector,” Medicare spokeswoman Julie Bataille told reporters this afternoon.

Posted by thibodeaux on Nov. 07 2013,12:07
< HAHAHAHAHAH >

QUOTE
RALEIGH, N.C. — "Women drivers, rain and Obama care" were causing problems on the beltline Wednesday afternoon, according to a traffic alert from the North Carolina Department of Transportation. "Stay home," the alert advised.


Seems legit.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 07 2013,17:03
This week i heard a pharmacist blame Obamacare for a customer's drug costs going up.
Posted by thibodeaux on Nov. 07 2013,17:25
< you should report that Trotskyite wrecker >
Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 07 2013,17:28
< FDA looking to get rid of trans fats. >

THAT'S WHAT MAKES DOUGHNUTS SPECIAL YOU FUCKTARDS!

You can pry my transfats from my cold, dead, clogged arteries.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 08 2013,05:00
The government is now paying for your health care.  You think they won't eliminate everything "unhealthy?"  Carbonated, sugary beverages are on the list for the future, I am sure.  Anything with sugar, really.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 08 2013,07:46

(GORDON @ Nov. 08 2013,07:00)
QUOTE
The government is now paying for your health care.  You think they won't eliminate everything "unhealthy?"  Carbonated, sugary beverages are on the list for the future, I am sure.  Anything with sugar, really.

Breaking Bad 2: the Cola Wars.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 08 2013,11:17
< Liar apologizes for lying >.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 08 2013,11:21
< Raise minimum wage >.
QUOTE
In other words, this bill would make it more expensive to hire workers and cheaper to buy the technology to replace them.

Go on, do it.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 08 2013,20:11
Well done, NC: you managed to get 1 person enrolled in Obamacare, so far.

< http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2013....changes >

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 09 2013,19:23
Not quite:
QUOTE
But even that single person has not paid, which means the enrollment is not complete.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 11 2013,10:23
< Obama unaware of state of US vets >.
QUOTE
Mr. Obama promised to keep providing "unprecedented support" to veterans -- improving veterans' health care, reducing claims backlogs and providing them with access to education -- "even as we make difficult fiscal choices as a nation."

Right.  That's why US VA hospital care is second to none, provided you're only comparing them to third-world nations.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 13 2013,14:18
Fewer than 27k have gotten to the point in Obamacare where they have actually picked a plan.

< http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-....0131113 >

I bet all of those were the "young healthies" they need to fund everybody elses medical costs, and not the poor and people with preexisting conditions that have been trying the hardest to get enrolled.  I bet the system will not be bankrupt at all.  Huge success.  Racist.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 14 2013,10:29
< Fucking wow >.
QUOTE
President Obama announced Thursday an administrative change in one of the bedrock ideas of the new health-care law, allowing insurers to continue offering individual insurance plans for another year even if they do not comply with the law’s rules for minimum benefits.

"Fuck you and fuck your faith in me."

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 14 2013,10:53
So... he's removed his lie... for 1 year.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 14 2013,11:17
And apparently is king since he's just willy nilly making changes to laws.

Our company president sent out a scathing letter to employees about Obamacare this week. It's 7 paragraphs about how incompetent this administration is, and how the company will not cave in to save a buck, and will continue to pay for our medical insurance.

Nice.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 14 2013,11:28
QUOTE
And apparently is king since he's just willy nilly making changes to laws.

QUOTE
The United States is formally in an ongoing limited state of emergency declared by several Presidents for several reasons.

Why break tradition?

QUOTE
Our company president sent out a scathing letter to employees about Obamacare this week. It's 7 paragraphs about how incompetent this administration is, and how the company will not cave in to save a buck, and will continue to pay for our medical insurance.

I generally don't like politics coming from my workplace.  If the past decade or so hasn't convinced you DC is run by fucktards, I'm not sure what will.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 14 2013,13:04
QUOTE
I generally don't like politics coming from my workplace.


I can't really complain. This particular statement is saving me money, and keeping my family on a good insurance plan rather than Obamacare.

I also agree with my current employers on their stance towards unions: "We will fire you and close our doors immediately."

The prayers during company events are a bit awkward though.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 14 2013,13:07
QUOTE
The prayers during company events are a bit awkward though.

That would irk the fuck out of me.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 14 2013,13:11
Just lower your head and think about sports. It's what I do.

As Winston Zeddmore once said, "If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say."

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 14 2013,13:16
Firstly, more from Obama's WTF whirlwind speeches today...
QUOTE
Mr. Obama conceded to CBS News chief White House correspondent Major Garrett, "My expectation was that for 98 percent of the American people, either it genuinely wouldn't change at all or they'd be pleasantly surprised with the options in the marketplace and that the grandfather clause would cover the rest. That proved not to be the case. And that's on me. And the American people -- those who got cancellation notices do deserve and have received an apology from me."

Whew.  An apology.  I'm sure that makes their health care problems go away for another twelve months.  I sure as shit didn't hear that 98% figure from before.  I heard 100%.

QUOTE
Just lower your head and think about sports. It's what I do.

As Winston Zeddmore once said, "If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say."

I don't know what the amount of cash is that you'd have to pay to silence the part of my brain that screams out during forced processes of ritualized belief, but I'm betting it's higher than any salary I'll ever command.

I would make it a point to annoy them during such things.  Like wearing a shirt covered with Egyptian hieroglyphs and imagery with the line, "Osiris, the original messiah that rose from the dead."

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 14 2013,13:19
< Slammed by his old law school prof >.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 14 2013,13:25
QUOTE
I don't know what the amount of cash is that you'd have to pay to silence the part of my brain that screams out during forced processes of ritualized belief, but I'm betting it's higher than any salary I'll ever command.

I would make it a point to annoy them during such things.  Like wearing a shirt covered with Egyptian hieroglyphs and imagery with the line, "Osiris, the original messiah that rose from the dead."


Yeah, I completely disagree.

Let's take away the fact that these are really good people, running a very successful company, paying you a great salary, ensuring you have amazing benefits, and that they treat you like family. Let's just focus on you being at a company event, and having to listen to someone make a prayer for 30 seconds. What happened in your life that you can't just take your mind somewhere else for a moment? Where's the win in trying to insult them or act out during the prayer?

They're not trying to convert me, they're following their belief system to give thanks and ask for continuing success.

I think I can handle that for a few seconds over pissing people off and collecting my severance check.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 14 2013,14:06
QUOTE
"When you pray, don't be like the hypocrites who love to pray publicly on street corners and in the synagogues where everyone can see them. I tell you the truth, that is all the reward they will ever get.

Matthew 6:5.

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 14 2013,14:46

(Leisher @ Nov. 14 2013,15:11)
QUOTE
Just lower your head and think about sports. It's what I do.

I just stare straight ahead and wait patiently.

But it feels weird watching people praying at work, especially since I work for a government institution.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 16 2013,11:45

(Malcolm @ Nov. 14 2013,12:29)
QUOTE
< Fucking wow >.
QUOTE
President Obama announced Thursday an administrative change in one of the bedrock ideas of the new health-care law, allowing insurers to continue offering individual insurance plans for another year even if they do not comply with the law’s rules for minimum benefits.

"Fuck you and fuck your faith in me."

Health care industry's collective head < explodes >.



Posted by GORDON on Nov. 16 2013,11:49
Ever notice how you never see Obama and Hugo Chavez in the same place, at the same time?
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 16 2013,11:55
Find it pretty goddamned convenient how this all comes out after a minor election cycle went through.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 16 2013,12:10
And pretty convenient how he delays the lie of "if you like it/you can keep it" until after the NEXT minor election cycle.  More dems will keep their seats in 2014, and THEN everyone loses their affordable insurance.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 16 2013,12:29
Can't keep your doctor, either.

< http://www.reuters.com/article....0131116 >

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 17 2013,12:13
< When the Obama Magic Died. >

QUOTE
Forgive the personal reference, but from the very beginning of Mr. Obama's astonishing rise, I felt that I was witnessing something old and familiar. My advantage owed nothing to any mastery of American political history. I was guided by my immersion in the political history of the Arab world and of a life studying Third World societies.

In 2008, seeing the Obama crowds in Portland, Denver and St. Louis spurred memories of the spectacles that had attended the rise and fall of Arab political pretenders. I had lived through the era of the Egyptian leader Gamal Abdul Nasser. He had emerged from a military cabal to become a demigod, immune to judgment. His followers clung to him even as he led the Arabs to a catastrophic military defeat in the Six Day War of 1967. He issued a kind of apology for his performance. But his reign was never about policies and performance. It was about political magic.

In trying to grapple with, and write about, the Obama phenomenon, I found guidance in a book of breathtaking erudition, "Crowds and Power" (1962) by the Nobel laureate Elias Canetti. Born in Bulgaria in 1905 and educated in Vienna and Britain, Canetti was unmatched in his understanding of the passions, and the delusions, of crowds. The crowd is a "mysterious and universal phenomenon," he writes. It forms where there was nothing before. There comes a moment when "all who belong to the crowd get rid of their difference and feel equal." Density gives the illusion of equality, a blessed moment when "no one is greater or better than another."

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 19 2013,10:13
< More ratings down >.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 19 2013,10:34
< Pelosi on Obamacare. >

It's not "epic", but it is on Obama/Dem friendly NBC yet they're still taking her to task.

Pelosi just mumbles the party lines over and over, while never answering a single thing being thrown at her. She does so despite the fact that it's all been proven to be horseshit.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 21 2013,06:58
Ohio company dumping 1000 employees off of insurance.

< http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs....twitter >

On the home front, my wife's bank got bought out, and she has been retained, and she is happy because the health insurance is so much cheaper at the new company.  But, their policy is set to renew July, 2014.  I don't expect us to have cheaper insurance for long.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 21 2013,07:01
This is a pretty good video to whip out when someone tells you it is racist to refer to it as "Obamacare."


Posted by Leisher on Nov. 21 2013,07:13

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 21 2013,08:52
< Pots and kettles argue over who's blacker >.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 21 2013,12:40
< Cocksuckers did it >.
QUOTE
Fifty-two Senate Democrats and independents voted to weaken the power of the filibuster. The change reduces the threshold from 60 votes to 51 votes for Senate approval of executive and judicial nominees against unanimous GOP opposition.
...
"The American people believe Congress is broken. The American people believe the Senate is broken. And I believe they are right," Reid said Thursday on the Senate floor. "The need for change is so very, very obvious."

How in the mother of fuck do you think this is the fucking change the American people want?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 21 2013,13:37
If there is one thing I have learned in the last few years, it is that democrats need more unchecked power.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 21 2013,13:41

(GORDON @ Nov. 21 2013,15:37)
QUOTE
If there is one thing I have learned in the last few years, it is that democrats need more unchecked power.

This is the most partisan move that could have been made.  But since neither side's power base is going to jump to another party any time soon, guess that's the status quo.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 21 2013,14:17
I've got whackos on my FB feed talking openly everyday about how a revolution is needed.

At what point do they stop being the whackos?

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 21 2013,14:19
Yeah but are they the wackos that are willing to fight to the death to prove that nothing is Obama's fault and he's really still pretty awesome?
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 21 2013,17:57

(Leisher @ Nov. 21 2013,16:17)
QUOTE
I've got whackos on my FB feed talking openly everyday about how a revolution is needed.

At what point do they stop being the whackos?

They're whacking off too much, what?

But seriously...
QUOTE
At what point do they stop being the whackos?

... at the point when they can garner enough armed support to march on DC or resist what DC would do to them if they stopped paying taxes.  Until then, it's crazy talk.

The real revolution would need to take place at the polls.  Just start voting nothing but third parties until the two major ones excise all the psychos.  You'd think that'd be easier than open warfare.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 21 2013,18:07

(Malcolm @ Nov. 21 2013,20:57)
QUOTE
The real revolution would need to take place at the polls.  Just start voting nothing but third parties until the two major ones excise all the psychos.  You'd think that'd be easier than open warfare.

If an actual reform candidate every had a chance in hell of winning, he'd get Huey Long'd.

Why would hundreds of billions of dollars in corporate government ever allow itself to lose power just because of a few votes?  This country, as it was founded, is dead and long gone.



Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 21 2013,18:11
QUOTE
If an actual reform candidate every had a chance in hell of winning, he'd get Huey Long'd.

By the 20th or 30th time, they'd slip up.  The problem that I see is any third party platform ideal that enough people like to sway their votes away from pachyderms and jackasses is the sort of thing one or both major parties would then steal to stay in power.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 22 2013,08:15
The King has again, with a wave of his hand, created a new law at a press conference, and the Obamacare enrollment requirement has been delayed until after the 2014 elections.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....idterms >

edit - To an extent.  Article (and law, obviously) is hard to understand as worded.  Peeps can still sign up during this "enrollment period..."  but the next enrollment period is delayed... I don't know what the difference is.  At any rate, a change has been made to the law and I am pretty sure the legislature has had nothing to do with it.



Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 22 2013,12:56
Registration numbers < up >.  Allegedly.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 22 2013,12:58
< Crackhead > has higher approval rating than Obama.  Yes, pun intended.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 22 2013,13:42

(Malcolm @ Nov. 22 2013,15:56)
QUOTE
Registration numbers < up >.  Allegedly.

They haven't even built the "pay for it" portion of the website yet. "Numbers up" is a vague term.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 25 2013,07:13

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 26 2013,10:12
< Another Supreme Court challenge >.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 27 2013,18:06
Obama giving unions a break on one of the Obamacare fees.  The rest of us will be covering it.

< http://hotair.com/archive....nce-fee >

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 02 2013,14:04
Someone else said this:

QUOTE
As a white latino who is conservative and make no fuss about it, I have simply taken the easier path to avoid more discussions on the issue and "please" the Liberal-left:

In 2000 I voted against Al Gore because he was the Democrat candidate, and I am not a Democrat.

In 2004 I voted against John Kerry because he was the Democrat candidate, and I am not a Democrat.

In 2008 and 2012 I voted against Barak Obama because...oh yeah, Im racist.

That's that. See? Easy.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 03 2013,16:43
Security holes big enough to drive a dump truck full of stolen identities through.

I actually warned my peeps on facebook about it, but then I realized I didn't want the IRS audit that comes from criticizing Obama publicly, so I deleted the post.

< http://freebeacon.com/expert-....ter-fix >

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 03 2013,18:28
Security was never actually built in to it.

< http://www.cnbc.com/id/101225308 >

Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 03 2013,19:00
Other websites get hacked too.  Why should healthcare.gov be any different?
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 03 2013,19:51
George W Bush increases programs to fight AIDS in Africa: Scumbag
Hillary Clinton reduces funding for those programs: let's give her an award fpr fighting AIDS

< http://www.nationalreview.com/corner....-andrew >

QUOTE
Hillary Clinton is set to receive an award on Tuesday evening from the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation (EGPAF) for her “legacy of leadership” in combating HIV/AIDS.

That may bit a bit awkward, given that, as secretary of state, Clinton riled AIDS activists by slashing the State Department’s programs for AIDS prevention and treatment. One prominent activist lamented in April the “persistent shortchanging of PEPFAR,” the AIDS relief plan established by President George W. Bush in 2003, calling it one of the “more significant and perplexing trends in America’s global health policy.”


It aint what you do, it's whether there is a D or R before your name.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 03 2013,21:28
< List of Obama's lies, deceptions, etc. >
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 04 2013,07:24
Obamacare website payment system still isn't built.

< http://www.jammiewf.com/2013....payment >

$600 million, now?  And it is still nothing more than a website with a little script serving up prices, can't even always do that, can't generate valid data out the back end, has zero security, and the shopping cart hasn't even been written?  It is almost enough to make me believe in god, and that he has a sick sense of humor.  I think the dtman forum has better functionality than that, and it was free software.

Hey, isn't obama on a obamacare victory tour, at the moment?



Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 04 2013,07:29
QUOTE
It is almost enough to make me believe in god, and that he has a sick sense of humor.

He does.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 05 2013,07:13
< Harry Reid (D) doesn't think Obamacare is good enough for his staff. >

< The young voters who elected Obama think he's done a terrible job. >



Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2013,14:04
someones random thoughts

QUOTE
In the podcast last night (which will be available tomorrow), we talked a lot about the coming Crisis. We tried to figure out exactly what the hell was going to happen on January 1st, given that Obamacare kicked five million people off their insurance, and would certainly not manage to sign up that many by the deadline.

Especially given that payments must be made by mail.

And that premiums are now very high.

And that one-third of all 834's sent to insurers are riddled with errors.

And that the whole system is in chaos.

What will happen January 1 when thousands of people have car crashes or other need for insurance, but don't have it, due to Obama's incompetence and stubborness?

John Ekdahl suggested that Obama will just order hospitals and doctors to treat anyone who says he has insurance, whether he does or not. I believe Ekdahl's term was that Obama will order everyone to be "deemed" as covered by insurance.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2013,19:16
Eh, I don't know that there's anything that might possibly happen to sway either base of a major party.  If you're a Democrat and Obama didn't give you pause, I don't know what extreme has to happen.  Same thing with the pachyderms and any of the generic douchebags they've put up for office since their Saviour had to leave office in '89.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2013,20:23
I think he lost the college kids.  They won't vote republican next time, but they also wont get out of bed to vote for Hillary.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2013,20:23
Bah.  You act like college students are hard to trick in the first place.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2013,20:26
I just think they will have to do a lot more voter fraud than in the past to win the next round, if things stay as they are.

But a lot can change in 3 years, so whatever.  Pointless to predict the next presidential race at this point.  Would be nice if we could have both halves of congress opposing the king, though.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 05 2013,20:28
Everyone will forget everything next election except how shit's gone the past 6-12 months.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 06 2013,07:43
If someone can come up with a combination of major historic firsts in a candidate who is also charismatic, then they might be able to get that young power base fired up again.  But it would take two points of novelty this time to pull it off.  Like "first Hispanic female President" or "first gay Jewish President".  Just one won't be enough.  And they'll still have to be powerfully charismatic.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2013,19:32
70% of doctors in California will not join the exchanges.

< http://washingtonexaminer.com/doctors....2540272 >

They say the exchange rates are not high enough.  Which means the good, successful doctors won't get paid enough.  So which doctors are signing up?

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 10 2013,05:10
37 reasons the economic recovery is "a giant lie."

< http://www.zerohedge.com/news....ant-lie >

Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 10 2013,06:05
Meh, it's completely obsessed with employment statistics and ignores the fact that entrepreneurship is at an all-time high.  There is a large number of people making a living on places like Etsy, eBay, YouTube, etc, and I think these new "job" levels are just an adjustment to that new normal because none of that gets captured in the old way of measuring.  We're still going through the fourth revolution and this is just one of the many things that will be permanently different.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 10 2013,11:46

(TPRJones @ Dec. 10 2013,09:05)
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 There is a large number of people making a living on places like Etsy, eBay, YouTube, etc....

Yeah, but aside from those 14 people...
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 10 2013,21:25
< Ohio Obama voters have buyer's remorse. >

< Obama acting the fool at Mandela's funeral. >

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 10 2013,23:46

(GORDON @ Dec. 10 2013,13:46)
QUOTE

(TPRJones @ Dec. 10 2013,09:05)
QUOTE
 There is a large number of people making a living on places like Etsy, eBay, YouTube, etc....

Yeah, but aside from those 14 people...

Take however many people were making a living busking, then multiply it by at least 100K.  That's how many people make a living off ebay and amazon.  Consider the "VHS films never officially released on DVD" market.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 11 2013,05:03
I... need some evidence that large numbers of people... tens, hundreds of thousands, make a "living" off of ebay and amazon as their sole source of income.  Enough people that they would affect unemployment numbers if they were factored in, and enough money that they were not on any kind of assistance at the same time.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 11 2013,06:58
I don't know about ebay or Amazon, but I can speak on some other people making money online.  I could list the names or websites of 83 for you that I am personally aware of (mostly because I follow their works online).  And I am 100% certain I am not following the works of anywhere near a measurable percentage of those people making their money through such means.

From what I can find online, as of last year the top 1,000 YouTubers were making $23,000 per month or more (the top 25 all make more than $1mil a year).  I would guess there's at least ten times that number making that per year, which I would consider enough money to make it more than just a hobby income, but still it is not counted as a job.  And that's just one website.

There's also plenty of webcomics, musicians, and other artists making a decent living through digital means.  We're living in an interesting age of digital patronage, and there are a lot of artists doing quite well for themselves.  I don't mean a few dozen, I mean tens of thousands.  Each one known only by < 1,000 True Fans >, but that's all it takes now to make a good living doing art or music or comedy or what have you.  And all not yet big enough to have decided to incorporate are "unemployed".

Eventually the feds will find ways to count and classify this stuff, but until then the verifiable numbers are scattered far and wide.



Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 11 2013,11:17
< Doc > talks about Obamacare.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 12 2013,13:52
Be publicly critical of Obamacare, get audited by the IRS.

< http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/williams/131211 >

Once happenstance, twice coincidence, etc.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2013,16:35
Deadline moved back a month, if you're < sick enough >.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 15 2013,11:31
Obama administration admitted on Sunday that thousands of peeps who signed up for Obamacare on the website.... didn't.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....estnews >

I wonder why they would release this kind of info on a Sunday... it's almost like they want to bury it.  They must have only figured it out this morning or late last night after everyone was asleep.



Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 15 2013,11:37
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The administration said it has fixed more than 70 software glitches over the past several weeks related to 834 forms.

Holy fuck.  I have to meet this QA team.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 15 2013,11:39
I would love to see what the current dollar cost is in this development process.  Wasn't it $300 mill on October 1?  I saw lots of liberal NO IT WASN'T since then, so I really have no idea.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 15 2013,11:41
Has anyone done any comparison shopping?  I would love to get on there to shop prices... but honestly, I would feel safer giving a russian porn site my credit card info.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 15 2013,14:09
Right now.  As far as I know.  My insurance is canceled on Jan 1 and I have no idea where my 'sign up' on healthcare.gob stands.

I love that this is happening.



Posted by GORDON on Dec. 15 2013,19:52
Looks like some peeps who managed to sign up and selected auto bill pay have been having their checking accounts fucked up.

< http://www.nationalreview.com/corner....k-steyn >

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 17 2013,13:44
The Obamacare debacle is only going to get worst next year, according to these guys at the Wall Street Journal.

< http://online.wsj.com/news....1505102 >

Prepare to be audited by the IRS, wall street journal.

Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 17 2013,13:55
All the people that were expecting to be all "Obama gave me free healthcare, yay!" are instead shouting "I have to pay WHAT?!"  On the bright side if the health care industry does completely collapse in this mess, that would probably be a good thing.  Whatever arises to replace it is likely to be a massive improvement over both the current mess and the old mess we had before.

Just don't get sick until about 2020.



Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2013,18:16
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On the bright side if the health care industry does completely collapse in this mess, that would probably be a good thing.

Hah.  I call bailout.

Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 18 2013,13:19
Sometimes I think the broken-ness of Obamacare is a feature, to make everybody say "fuckit, I'd rather just have socialized medicine."

Then sometimes, I think there's some kind of < 5th column sabotage at work >.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 18 2013,20:57
Democratic pollsters find no racism in their republican polling.

They determine it must be because republicans are getting better at hiding their racism.

< http://www.mediaite.com/online....nt-some >

QUOTE
Indeed, the pollsters even confess that they “expected” to find more racism among Republican voters. “We expected that in this comfortable setting or in their private written notes, some would make a racial reference or racist slur when talking about the African American President,” they confess. “None did.”

But this response by the voters they surveyed is viewed by Democracy Corps pollsters more as a clever evolutionary response to a history of predation. The Republican voter, the pollsters declare, harbors racial consciousness that is only masked by an effective camouflage

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 19 2013,08:07

(thibodeaux @ Dec. 18 2013,16:19)
QUOTE
Sometimes I think the broken-ness of Obamacare is a feature, to make everybody say "fuckit, I'd rather just have socialized medicine."

Then sometimes, I think there's some kind of < 5th column sabotage at work >.

Even MSNBC is mocking that ad.

< http://www.jammiewf.com/2013....ama-boy >

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 20 2013,11:22
< Congress cuts military pensions, while keeping welfare for illegals. >

< The NSA spying on you is unconstitutional. >

Ignore that stuff though MSM! We all know the really important news is some old southern guy talking about gay and black people.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 20 2013,11:31
And the obamacare site being down, "for scheduled maintenance," 4 days before the deadline to sign up.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 21 2013,12:23
There is a possibility of a net-loss of people who have health insurance on January 1, since the day Obamacare, "Affordable care for all," went into affect.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....cans-by >

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 21 2013,12:25
< Obama repeals the individual mandate. >

Temporarily, and for political gain, but still this law is a clusterfuck.

Everyone involved should be unemployed.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 21 2013,12:42
The hell?
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 22 2013,09:38
This is hilarious considering how much congressional and Supreme Court time was spent arguing over this very item.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 23 2013,14:08
< Health care law opinion results >:

20% plus: greatest thing ev4r
36% : ass on a stick

But wait a second...
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Thirty-nine percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents say the law has been Obama’s best achievement, while just 5 percent of Republican leaners say the same thing. And twice as many Republican leaners (50 percent) as Democratic leaners (25 percent) say the health-care law has been Obama’s biggest failure.

Note the question here being asked here and why the health care law will not affect future election results.

1) 39% of donkeys say this law was his best achievement.  I'm betting the other 61% said he had an even more impressive achievement and the last time a Republican did something like that, it was Lincoln freeing the slaves.

2) 25% of donkeys said it was his biggest fuck up.  I'm betting the other 75% said they'd still rather give hand jobs to horses than vote Republican.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 25 2013,14:40
The end of ethics.

< http://nationalreview.com/node/367010/print >

QUOTE
Will the Obama-era hypocrisy continue when the next president takes office?
By Victor Davis Hanson

Will there be a scandal if the new political appointees at the IRS sic their auditors on Moveon.org? What will the Washington Post say should the new president keep Guantanamo Bay open for five more years, quadruple the number of drone missions, or decide to double renditions? Will it say that he was shredding the Constitution, or that he found the





terror threat too great to honor past promises?

Will NPR run an exposé on our next president should she tap into Angela Merkel’s cell phone, or monitor the communications of Associated Press reporters — and their parents? Will investigative reporters go after the president should he falsely claim that an ambassador and three other U.S. personnel died in the Middle East during a video-sparked spontaneous riot? Or if he then jails the filmmaker for a year on a trumped-up parole-violation charge?

In other words, because for the past five years the members of the Washington press corps have abdicated their traditional adversarial role as watchdogs of the executive branch, can we still have watchdogs at all in 2017? If the next president falsely swears that his new health-care program will not affect citizens’ current coverage, what consequences could possibly follow? If the New York Times went after such perfidy in 2017, would the new president just say, “Where were you when Obama did it?”

If a conservative should be elected, and his Justice Department decided not to enforce federal gun laws in certain cities, would not the president say to his critics, “You were happy to ignore the flouting of federal immigration law in sanctuary cities, so why not exempt gun control too?”

Or if the new attorney general were Asian, and called his fellow Americans “cowards” over their inability to address past discrimination, or referred to Chinese- or Japanese-Americans as “my people,” how could African-American activists or any other group possibly object?

If, in 2017, we begin another five years of 7-plus percent unemployment, will the media call it a “jobless recovery” — as they have not since 2009, but most surely did in 2004 when George W. Bush ran for reelection with a jobless rate of a little over 5 percent?

What will court watchers do should the next president weigh in on pending trial cases — claiming, for example, that the son he never had would have resembled a murdered young man, or arguing that the police acted stupidly when they arrested a favorite of the president’s?

If our next president says there is a red line, ignores infractions of it, and then says he never said it, will the press go after her as it went after George W. Bush in 2003 when the promised stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction did not turn up in Iraq? If a debate moderator interrupts our next president’s reelection debate to incorrectly point out that his challenger is wrong about the facts, will we chastise her as unprofessional and ban her from further debates?

If a conservative president is elected, will the media object should he editorialize about personal success and wealth — suggesting that novice entrepreneurs should build their own businesses without federal help, reminding the struggling that they have not yet reached a point where they have made enough money, chiding some that we need to create wealth, not spread others’, or advising us that it is always the time to profit? Would the press object that the president’s serial and unsolicited sermonizing was proving a bit much? Or would he have to accuse doctors of lopping off limbs and ripping out tonsils for profit to win rebuke?

Will NBC object if our next president plays 150 rounds of golf in his first five years in office? Would it seem at all excessive to ABC if our next chief executive were declared a “god” by colleagues in the press corps, or if the president promised to lower the level of the seas and cool the planet?

In 2017, if the next president attempts to freeze new drilling on federal lands, only to brag that more oil and gas have been produced (on private land) during her tenure than ever before, how would CBS respond to such disingenuousness?

For that matter, in 2017 will novels again be written about killing the president, and prizes once more be awarded for docudramas about his assassination — and will he be called a “Nazi” and “Brown Shirt” by his political opponents, as President Bush was?

During the next presidency, will the filibuster still be bad, or will it suddenly be good again? Will there be a nuclear option again? Recess appointments? Executive orders? Signing statements? Votes against extending the debt ceiling? Are these again to be excesses, or is it a case of “It depends”?

What will the media do if the next president hires lobbyists, ignores the revolving door, or wins record donations from Goldman Sachs — while promising to run the most transparent administration in history? Will minority activists hound the next president should their constituents’ employment rate and income nosedive? Or is the answer to be, “It depends on the president’s race”?

If in 2017 the chief executive urges his supporters to “punish our enemies,” what will be the media reaction?

Will the Los Angeles Times object should the next president borrow $6 trillion in his first term? If we have four more years of zero interest, will that policy be deemed reckless and inflationary?

The predictable answer, of course, to all these questions is, again, “It depends.” If a liberal like Hillary Clinton wins, then the same exemptions will almost surely continue, even in the absence of the race card. But if a conservative should be elected, then the old hypocrisy will reappear and we will be treated to the damnation of a Christie, Paul, Rubio, or Cruz as “the worst president ever” or an “amiable dunce” or one of the other sorts of boilerplate disparagement accorded Reagan and the two Bushes.

Yet, I am not so sure that it will be quite that simple for a decade or so. We have become inured to the press as an adjunct Ministry of Truth and to the notion that the president feels that he can do whatever he wishes without much worry over public audit. Such obsequiousness and exemption are now institutionalized, just as, after the divine Emperor Augustus, there was little accountability for the emperors or free speech allowed in criticizing them. So we are entering a new period in presidential history, and it may be difficult to go back to the status quo ante 2009, when reporters were not state megaphones and the president paid a price for not telling the truth.

More likely, the members of the national press corps do not even now quite get it that they have been completely discredited. Whether they toady up to a liberal president or revert to standard criticism of a conservative, I doubt anyone will much care any more. If the next scandal is an open-mike slip to Putin, a linguistic flub like “corpse-man” for a Navy corpsman, a barefaced lie like swearing the president never spoke to his own disreputable uncle, or a complete distortion such as bragging of the energy production that she sought to stifle, the media will face a novel situation: If they object, then the public will wonder, “But why now all of a sudden?” If they keep silent, the public will shrug, “Oh, more of the same.”

Nor have we fully appreciated that a president who has supposedly taught constitutional law has done more to damage the Constitution than did Richard Nixon — and, so far, without consequences of any sort. The next president in theory can tap the communications of his opponents, pick and choose which laws are to be enforced and which are mere suggestions, and use federal agencies to monitor the politically suspect. He can go to, ignore, undermine, or praise the U.N. as he sees fit. He can bypass Congress to bomb a foreign country, and give pressure groups amnesty from any federal law he chooses. If the next president’s chief adviser claims that liberal Democrats are analogous to the mass-murdering Jonestown cult, would it really matter?

So we are living in scary times. The nation has grown used to the idea that what the president says is probably either untrue or irrelevant — and yet it does not really any more care which.

The people also assume that it doesn’t matter if our pundits talk of the person in the White House as a “messiah” who prompts tingling legs, or if they take notice of perfect pant-leg creases, or, of course, if they declare that he is the smartest president ever.

The result, in the Age of Obama, is a deeply rooted cynicism that works out something like the following: The president of the United States is now an iconic figure and thus cannot be held to the minimal standards of veracity demanded of other Americans. The press is an advocate of his agenda and picks and chooses which scandals can be half-heartedly pursued without endangering their shared vision.

How could the media possibly repair its sullied reputation without appearing abjectly hypocritical or artificially zealous? How can the next president resist assuming the extra-constitutional prerogatives of the current one?

We have three years before January 2017. If we are to have any credible press left at all, it has just 36 months to rediscover its ethics and professionalism — or more or less forfeit its integrity for a generation. The president too must either start respecting the Constitution or expect that his successors will follow in his footsteps in pressing their agendas by any means necessary — while always citing the Obama example. Will the next president simply drop the employer-mandate portion of Obamacare? And if he did, would the media point out that he was not faithfully executing the laws that had been enacted?

Because we are now right in the middle of this conundrum, Americans often fail to appreciate how low we’ve sunk — and how little time our president and press have to restore the institutions that they have so undermined for such paltry political advantage.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 27 2013,10:22
Here's an original thought about Obamacare:

In all of the "holy shit obamacare is fucking me over" commentary I have been reading, now and then I see a modest little, "Well I have a preexisting condition and now my monthly medical bills are only $40 a month w/subsidy instead of $4000 a month.  I was going to die in 6 months without medical care.  Obamacare saved my life and I will forever be grateful for it."  Yeah, I wonder how much of that is astroturfing.... pro-obamacare commentary paid for by the Obama Is So Dreamy group.  The percentage is greater than zero, I am sure.

And it really is hard to reply to something like that.... unless you think about it for a few seconds.

Since taxpayers are now subsidizing his health care, taxpayers are allowed to have an opinion about it.  They paid for the right to have an opinion.

And the fact is, now that taxpayers are paying to keep sick people alive, these sick people are actually worth more to the taxpayers dead, than they are alive.  As of right now, everyone else would be better off financially if these sick people would just die.

Nice society we've built for ourselves.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 27 2013,12:48
QUOTE
And the fact is, now that taxpayers are paying to keep sick people alive, these sick people are actually worth more to the taxpayers dead, than they are alive.  As of right now, everyone else would be better off financially if these sick people would just die.

Pointed out < here >.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 27 2013,13:55
Why wait until they decide for themselves?  It is better for society if we shuffle them loose ourselves, whether they want to or not.  It is socially responsible.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 28 2013,11:29

(GORDON @ Dec. 27 2013,15:55)
QUOTE
Why wait until they decide for themselves?  It is better for society if we shuffle them loose ourselves, whether they want to or not.  It is socially responsible.

More I think about this, the more this argument could've been made for every Geneva Convention agreement.  You've got a set of rules that's supposed to be "the guide" for proper warfare, including what weapons you can and can't use.  Use of chemical weapons, what calibre of ammo is legal to use against what targets, all the way down to what shape your blades can take, and everything in between, it's designed so you're more likely to maim or wound someone as opposed to killing them outright.

Just for G, there was a < Mythbusters > episode about whether the brace position in a plane crash is more likely to kill you than not.  Part of the reasoning behind the "kill you" theory was this...
QUOTE
According to the MythBuster research department, it is cheaper to pay out wrongful death settlements ($3M-5M) than to pay for injuries ($8M-50M over the course of the victim's lifetime).



Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 28 2013,11:48
< The next row begins >.
QUOTE
The program first started in 2008 as an emergency measure to help Americans stay afloat during the recession. For the past four years, politicians have renewed the program, continuing to provide the millions of unemployed Americans with an extra 47 weeks of extra unemployment insurance payments. When Congress passed the two-year bipartisan budget deal last week, the program was left off the books. Lawmakers let unemployment benefits expire for over a million struggling Americans — the ones who need it the most — smack in the middle of the holidays.

Yeah, that shit has totally saved the economy.  Let's renew it.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 30 2013,10:19
< Worst IT manager in history retires > about a year too late.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 30 2013,10:24
I guess it would be too obvious if they gave him her a promotion like every other person in that administration who has screwed up.


Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 03 2014,10:35
Health care website designers shocked to learn < people still breed >.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 03 2014,10:49
Fewer people had health insurance on the day Obamacare went into effect than on the day Obamacare enrollment started.

< http://dailycaller.com/2014....llments >

Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 03 2014,12:33
I don't think I have insurance right now.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 10 2014,09:39
Buying coffee the Obamacare way.


Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 10 2014,10:36
< Changing web contractors >.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 13 2014,11:04
In today's news from the USA's most worthless, corrupt, and inefficient district:

< Gates slammed for his book >.

< Incomptence and bloat, v2.0 >.

Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 13 2014,11:18
Yes, in this era of the US being mostly a tech & service economy, let's outsource that $45mil to make a decent website to Ireland.  Because there's no way anyone here could do it and keep that money in-country.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 13 2014,11:36

(TPRJones @ Jan. 13 2014,13:18)
QUOTE
Yes, in this era of the US being mostly a tech & service economy, let's outsource that $45mil to make a decent website to Ireland.  Because there's no way anyone here could do it and keep that money in-country.

QUOTE
In 2013, the Ethisphere Institute designated Accenture as one of the World's Most Ethical Companies for the 5th time.

Bet that rating's going to take a hit from this job.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 14 2014,11:17
Because checks and balances are < for pussies >.
QUOTE
We are not just going to be waiting for legislation in order to make sure that we're providing Americans the kind of help that they need. I've got a pen, and I've got a phone. And I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward...

Notwithstanding that many of those powers are gross misinterpretations of Constitutional authority built up over many decades, but whatever.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 14 2014,18:06
< Accenture on JK >

I used to work for them.

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 16 2014,06:11
< Magic Johnson, the Obamacare spokesman. >

The funny part is that he's trying to sell people on Obamacare based on his positive experiences using the previous health care system.

By their logic McDonald's should hire people who just ate at Ruth's Chris to shill Big Macs.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 16 2014,13:17
The Condor to website devs: < you suck >
Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 16 2014,13:43
QUOTE
The flaws that have been found are mere speculation, pointed out Krush, whose firm has done security work for the Department of Health and Human Services.

“Nobody here at this table can tell you there is a vulnerability,” he said during testimony. To actually test the flaws would require hacking the website itself, which would mean breaking the law, he noted.

Welp, there goes the website.  Don't poke the internet, Krush, unless you want it to poke back a thousand-fold.

Moron.

Besides, it's illegal under US law to hack the site, but there are plenty of countries around the world that have no such laws.  Like the MPAA and RIAA, Krush fails to consider that the whole world is not subject to US law.



Posted by GORDON on Jan. 16 2014,14:17
And, it is my understanding that if a government site HAS been hacked, and information stolen, the government is not obligated to let anyone know at all, because fuck you.

My guess is that it is completely compromised and, as I have said before, you are safer giving your credit card number to a russian porn site.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 16 2014,15:01
I can think of any number of shady drug companies that'd like to see what meds people need so they can refine their spambots with specific symptoms for specific people.  Come to think of it, crawling to obtain that info and doing the mass e-mails is probably more functionality than the site itself offers.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 20 2014,09:34
< Obama on shiznit >, complete with misleading headline.

A couple of the places he really fucks up:
QUOTE
“There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black President,” he said. “Now, the flip side of it is there are some black folks and maybe some white folks who really like me and give me the benefit of the doubt precisely because I’m a black President.”


QUOTE
“You can be somebody who, for very legitimate reasons, worries about the power of the federal government—that it’s distant, that it’s bureaucratic, that it’s not accountable—and as a consequence you think that more power should reside in the hands of state governments,” he said.

But Obama said “that philosophy is wrapped up in the history of states’ rights in the context of the civil-rights movement and the Civil War and (South Carolina Sen. John C.) Calhoun. There’s a pretty long history there.”

To sum things up, the number of people who like and hate him because of his half-black heritage is about equal.  In addition states' rights is all about the Civil War.  That was never done anywhere else, < at anytime before >.  Fucking idiot.

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 20 2014,10:01
I actually don't mind his quote on race because he's right. I don't think the numbers balance out, but I have no proof either way.

There are simply folks out there who love and/or hate him based on his skin color.

As for the pot quote, it irks me. Apparently, scientists can talk about the benefits of pot until they're blue in the face, but a politician states an opinion, and that's front page news? That's what we should base our policies on?

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 20 2014,11:47
QUOTE
To sum things up, the number of people who like and hate him because of his half-black heritage is about equal.

He uses the same "some" qualifier, but doesn't say it's equal.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 20 2014,11:54

(TheCatt @ Jan. 20 2014,13:47)
QUOTE
QUOTE
To sum things up, the number of people who like and hate him because of his half-black heritage is about equal.

He uses the same "some" qualifier, but doesn't say it's equal.

I suppose.  But the "flip side" comparison reminds me specifically of coins, which has an undercurrent of "cancels each other out."
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 20 2014,11:55
QUOTE
As for the pot quote, it irks me. Apparently, scientists can talk about the benefits of pot until they're blue in the face, but a politician states an opinion, and that's front page news? That's what we should base our policies on?

That was the least interesting bit in the article, but it makes the headline.  Perhaps to hide the batshit insane "states' rights = racial oppression" argument.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 20 2014,12:08
I think there are WAY fewer actual racists than they are trying to sell to us.  It's just their excuse for.... for anything.  Everything.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 23 2014,20:23
Filmmaker who made anti-Obama documentary getting indicted for election fraud.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....olating >

QUOTE
“Trying to influence elections through bogus campaign contributions is a serious crime,” George Venizelos, the assistant director in charge of the New York FBI office said in a statement.  “Today, Mr. D’Souza finds himself on the wrong side of the law.”


Yet nothing ever came from the fact during the election cycle Obama's donation website would not verify anyone who made donations, even from non-citizens overseas.



Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 24 2014,07:26
Dinesh D'Souza is the dude that was part of the reason Politically Incorrect was axed.  He has a history of pissing people off.


Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 26 2014,10:29
White House adviser: < Congress >?  Fuck those guys.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 28 2014,08:53
Obama: < Congress >?  Fuck those guys.
QUOTE
“Let’s declare that in the wealthiest nation on Earth, no one who works full-time should have to live in poverty and raise the federal minimum wage to $9 an hour,” the president said to applause in his 2013 address.

It's fucking law now.  If you work full-time, no poverty.

QUOTE
But the president is reviving the issue as he tries to focus again on the economy. Obama, who does not have the power to unilaterally raise the minimum wage for private sector workers...

Yet.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 28 2014,09:09
I would rather increase minimum wage than have more taxes.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 28 2014,09:20

(TheCatt @ Jan. 28 2014,11:09)
QUOTE
I would rather increase minimum wage than have more taxes.

If he weren't invoking echoes of the Four Freedoms from the FDR era, I wouldn't mind so much.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 28 2014,10:40
< Uninsured still uninsured >.


Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 28 2014,13:18
< Gitmo Bay > is not going anywhere.  Nor is anyone inside it.  I'm sure Hillary will promise to close it in 2016.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 29 2014,09:59
< Give Iran a chance >.  Because they've not had any before.


Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 31 2014,12:27
< The green prez >.
QUOTE
The heads of 18 environmental groups went public recently with a complaint they have privately pressed the White House on for months: Obama's support of expanded oil and gas production doesn't make sense for a president who wants to reduce global warming pollution.

Thank Christ the evil pachyderms with their ties to big oil aren't running things.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 03 2014,10:34
< 22K health care website appeal transactions >.  Nothing exists to process them.
QUOTE
Those 22,000 appeals were submitted through the mail, since the computer and phone systems for filing appeals have yet to launch. The appeals were transferred to a computer system at the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), but the program to process those appeals does not yet exist, unnamed sources told the Post.

One assumes carrier pigeons will soon be used.



Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 04 2014,10:08
< Holy shit >.  That interview had to hurt to watch.

< Congressional Budget Office on health care >.  But it's totally cool because...
QUOTE
The White House pushed back against the Republican attacks, citing the report’s finding that the law will have no effect on the total demand for worker hours.



Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 05 2014,12:52
< It's a feature, not a bug >.  "It" being "job loss."
QUOTE
By providing insurance that’s not tied to a job, it “allows Americans to choose to spend more time with their family or pursue their dreams. And that is not a bad thing; it is a good thing,” he said.

And Rep. Bill Pascrell, D-N.J., said “The fact that Americans won’t be tied to a job they don’t want or need solely because it is the only way for them to get affordable health care is a feature of Obamacare, not a bug.”

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 05 2014,13:04
Didn't I call the excuse, "Well it is a good thing because those weren't the jobs you wanted anyway?"
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 06 2014,10:16
< More bipartisan cooperation >.
QUOTE
“I’m sorry to say that it appears Senate Republicans appear poised to filibuster this important legislation a second time, despite the fact that we have compromised on every one of their demands,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).
...
But Reid has not agreed to Republican demands for an open, unlimited amendment process on the legislation. And since Reid and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) have been unable to strike a deal on considering a finite list of amendments to the bill, Reid has choked off the consideration of alterations to the legislation, rankling GOP senators who want consideration of their unemployment ideas on the full Senate floor.

Yep, nothing but donkeys bending over backwards here.  Totally not demanding anything.

Posted by Leisher on Feb. 06 2014,11:13
Watch a company tell its employees about how their health care is changing due to Obamacare.

< Article w/videos >

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 06 2014,11:20

(Leisher @ Feb. 06 2014,13:13)
QUOTE
Watch a company tell its employees about how their health care is changing due to Obamacare.

< Article w/videos >

That's a feature.  It encourages people to get higher paying jobs.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 10 2014,10:26
< Five million can't get health insurance >.
QUOTE
For now, nearly five million people ages 18 to 64 get no financial help to buy coverage because of the gap, according to estimates by the Kaiser Family Foundation. Many of those people are clustered in the South, living in states where income limits for Medicaid coverage have historically been among the lowest in the U.S.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 11 2014,10:28
< It hasn't already >?
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 14 2014,07:34
< Obama ripped Bush for using too much power and bypassing Congress. Promised to reverse that. >

At this point, I think it'd be easier to list the things he promised and stuck to rather than promises he broke, so here goes:
1.

Posted by Leisher on Feb. 14 2014,09:45
< Some people aren't paying on their Obamacare policies. >

Up to 1/5th of all policies.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 14 2014,10:19
< Biden hits on one half of the truth >.  Accidentally.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 15 2014,15:07
I remember when people with pre-existing conditions getting "insurance" to protect them financially against the possibility they would get a condition was a huge selling point of Obamacare.

Well they can go fuck themselves too, according to the law.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....estnews >

Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 15 2014,19:29
QUOTE
Some say ObamaCare hoped to do better on that problem but ran out of time. Matthew Eyles of Avalare Health, a consulting firm, says although officials wanted "to be able to make sure that all the systems were operational in 2014, they realized that they needed to give an extra year to get those systems changes in place."

Officials intend to try again next year.

It'll certainly be much easier to deal with the problem after the patients involved have gone without medication for a year and died.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 17 2014,14:16
White House report: < Obama is FDR II >.
QUOTE
President Barack Obama marked the five-year anniversary of a controversial economic stimulus plan by releasing a report on Monday saying that government spending averted a second Great Depression, setting off a new round of partisan debate about the decision.

I assume they'll be raising the ceiling in Oval Office to accommodate his massive ego.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 17 2014,15:49
FDR's New Deal programs didn't stop the Great Depression, the entry of the US in WW2 did.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 19 2014,10:52
Because you're not watched < enough >.
QUOTE
A database would be constructed from license-plate readers employed by both local police and commercial companies using cameras that capture photos of vehicles. With a national database, DHS agents would be able to compare license plate information against a “hot list” that tracks wanted individuals. The system would help the agency locate fugitive illegal immigrants.

The database “could only be accessed in conjunction with ongoing criminal investigations or to locate wanted individuals,” Gillian Christensen, a spokeswoman for DHS’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE), told the Post.

Rot in hell, you lying bureaucrat.



Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 19 2014,12:10
< Minimum wage hike thoughts >.  CBO says -500K overall jobs.  B. Rock says:
QUOTE
A number of economists from the White House and beyond criticized the estimate, saying the best research suggests job losses could be negligible, even zero.

Bull the fuck shit.

Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 19 2014,13:02
It's easy to do math like "higher wages = fewer jobs."  It's harder to figure out the secondary and network effects.  Will minimum wage people making more money mean more other jobs?

So the CBO just came up with a wild ass guess of 0 to 1 million, and then picked the midpoint as it's estimate.  It doesn't know.

Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 19 2014,13:06
The net effect of changing the minimum wage will indeed be zero jobs lost.

There will quite a few jobs lost in the US, but it will be offset by the new jobs created overseas in lower-wage countries.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 21 2014,11:15
< Subhuman mongrel > Hitler >.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 24 2014,08:29
Brutal anti-Obamacare ad.



Can you imagine the "vetting" she is going to receive from the government?

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 24 2014,17:22

(GORDON @ Feb. 24 2014,11:29)
QUOTE
Brutal anti-Obamacare ad.



Can you imagine the "vetting" she is going to receive from the government?

Update to this:

Yep, she got "vetted," and the politician sicced his lawyers on the TV stations running the ad.

QUOTE
The Washington Examiner notes that Rep. Gary Peters, D, the target of this ad (who is running for Senate this year), is having his attorneys go after the television stations running the ad on the grounds that the precise situation with her insurance is unclear and her claims here are debatable. It appears that after a period of uncertainty and difficulties navigating the HealthCare.gov website, she did eventually get insurance, and although the precise figures are unknown (even to the woman in the ad, apparently), it may cost her roughly the same amount per year. - See more at: < ]http://www.conservativeintel.com/2014....] >



Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 26 2014,07:43
< Obama wants to spend more $ we don't have. >

QUOTE
Obama will propose using $150 billion in “one-time transition revenue from pro-growth business tax reform” to help shore up the next transportation bill, the White House said. It didn’t detail what the reform would consist of.


Magic tax fairy dust!

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 26 2014,07:50
QUOTE
one-time transition revenue from pro-growth business tax reform

That reminds me of the Dilbert strip where they're playing executive buzzword bingo during a meeting.

Hah.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 27 2014,10:15
< Biden >: Compromise and be bipartisan Pour kerosene on that bitch and light it up.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 27 2014,10:17

(Malcolm @ Feb. 27 2014,13:15)
QUOTE
< Biden >: Compromise and be bipartisan Pour kerosene on that bitch and light it up.

I thought Harry Reid already set shit on fire yesterday when he called people who claimed to have bad experiences with Obamacare "liars."

< http://www.newsmax.com/politic....1 >

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 27 2014,10:26
I swear, this shit just has to be scripted.  It's all a large Wag the Dog production.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 27 2014,10:27
When our elected officials are this clueless and/or dishonest, there's really no hope for the existing system.
Posted by Vince on Feb. 27 2014,10:35
I'm starting to think Reid has some sort of mental/emotional  disorder.  Not being funny, I think there really is something wrong with him.  He reminds me of my grandmother when dementia started to set in.  She'd say something off the wall and was then unable to have any sort of rational discussion about what she'd just said.  She wouldn't back down from it, but she couldn't explain it.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 27 2014,10:44
Everyone who willingly remains in DC should qualify as brain damaged.
Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 27 2014,10:56

(GORDON @ Feb. 27 2014,12:27)
QUOTE
When our elected officials are this clueless and/or dishonest, there's really no hope for the existing system.

This is why I'm in favor of Terminal Limits.  

Not just term limits, but after two terms you are terminated.  Thank you for your service, and you will be remembered as honorable, yadda yadda.

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 02 2014,08:11
Mardi Gras float mocks Obamacare.

< http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014....isaster >

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 02 2014,11:38
< About a month to go >, 50M uninsured still remain.  Warning, the amount of anti-logic contained in the next three sentences confounds sanity:
QUOTE
A released data says around 75 percent of the Americans without any insurance are unaware to the deadline. The primary goal of the Affordable Care Ats is to inform such people of the deadline as well as the penalties. The administrators are looking ahead for educating the people who is confused about the ACA.

Thank god someone's educating all those people who is confused.

In other news, < Maryland pisses away $30.5M > due to ...
QUOTE
Maryland’s defective exchange, the state cannot determine whether customers remain eligible for Medicaid, according to a report by state budget analysts released Thursday.

As a result, the state has agreed with the federal government to a six-month delay in determining eligibility, meaning that payments will continue to be made to customers who are not eligible until the system is fixed. The delay will cost the state $17.8 million in fiscal 2014 and $12.7 million in fiscal 2015, the analysts estimated.



Posted by GORDON on Mar. 02 2014,19:54
Next time some hippy tells you that republicans buy elections because they have the Kock Brothers giving them money, whip this little chart at them.

< http://www.nationalreview.com/campaig....eraghty >

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 04 2014,05:16
Obama again changes the law with a wave of his hand so democrats don't have a bad election cycle.

< http://thehill.com/blogs....rm-dems >

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 04 2014,10:18
< Gov't bails out health care industry giants >.
QUOTE
Health insurers such as WellPoint Inc. (WLP) and Humana Inc. (HUM) stand to gain $5.5 billion from the government next year to cover losses from Obamacare in a program the law’s opponents label a bailout.

The money, outlined in President Barack Obama’s proposed budget for the fiscal year that begins in October, is designated to help insurers who find the cost of the law higher than expected, based on the percentage of older, sicker people who sign up compared with younger enrollees.

There was certainly no corruption or bribery involved in this.

Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 04 2014,10:30
Working as intended.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 04 2014,10:44
Insurance is more expensive than it used to be.

People are getting weaker plans for more money.

Insurance companies are somehow losing more money because of this.

Government gives insurance companies free money.

How can even the liberal media not smell something fishy?

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 04 2014,11:27

(GORDON @ Mar. 04 2014,12:44)
QUOTE
How can even the liberal media not smell something fishy?

Because slamming jack-asses is seen as implicit support of the pachyderms.  If you're against one this administration, you're a racist and implicitly supporting the pro-white pachyderms.  Rockin' thing, this two party system.

I pray to jeebus the first woman in the White House isn't a donkey.  I want to see how that shit plays out.



Posted by Leisher on Mar. 05 2014,09:17
Start controlling their minds when they're children...


Posted by GORDON on Mar. 05 2014,12:03
Here's video of MSNBC mocking Romney in 2012 for suggesting Russia is still a geopolitical foe.

< http://www.mediaite.com/tv....bFVrCsD >

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 06 2014,07:18

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 07 2014,11:01
< B. Rock can't spell >.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 07 2014,12:15

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 07 2014,12:52
< Maybe the TNG episode > that holds up the best.
QUOTE
PICARD: This is not unlike a drumhead trial.
WORF: I do not understand.
PICARD: Five hundred years ago, military officers would upend a drum on the battlefield sit at it and dispense summary justice. Decisions were quick, punishments severe, appeals denied. Those who came to a drumhead were doomed.
WORF: But we know there is a traitor here. J'Dan has admitted his guilt.
PICARD: That's true, and he will stand for his crimes.
WORF: Tarses has all but done the same.
PICARD: How?
WORF: He refused to answer the question about his Romulan grandfather.
PICARD: That is not a crime, Worf. Nor can we infer his guilt because he didn't respond.
WORF: Sir, if a man were not afraid of the truth, he would answer.
PICARD: Oh, no. We cannot allow ourselves think that. The Seventh Guarantee is one of the most important rights granted by the Federation. We cannot take a fundamental principle of the Constitution and turn it against a citizen.
WORF: Sir, the Federation does have enemies. We must seek them out.
PICARD: Oh, yes. That's how it starts. But the road from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is very much shorter than we think. Something is wrong here, Mister Worf. I don't like what we have become.

Emphasis mine.

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 07 2014,12:53
Yeah but they are just using Obama's own words against him in a way that the MSM will not.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 07 2014,13:01

(GORDON @ Mar. 07 2014,14:53)
QUOTE
Yeah but they are just using Obama's own words against him in a way that the MSM will not.

His words were pretty much bullshit to begin with, with a private citizen in mind.  Public officials serving in a public capacity should have little to no leeway in those areas.  The purpose of the Fifth is so you can't be forced into self-incrimination as the only evidence for a conviction; it doesn't exist to cover up acts of personal incompetence.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 07 2014,13:07
Ok.
Posted by Vince on Mar. 07 2014,13:33
I don't think you're allowed to testify to your innocence before saying you won't testify either.  That's why most defendants don't testify.  Once they get up there they are allowed to be cross examined.  I think she'd have been in better legal shape (public opinion aside) if she'd gone with the 5th before she swore under oath that she did nothing wrong and didn't break the law.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 07 2014,20:33
I do not forget that this is the head of the IRS, the second-most hated US gov't agency, and I consider any individual that wants and accepts that position almost has to be an utterly corrupt and unsympathetic individual.  But presumably, non-assholes could invoke the same thing.


Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 12 2014,10:18
< US gov't weasels > around human rights violations.
QUOTE
On Tuesday, a 34-year-old Yemeni national who has been held at Guantanamo Bay since 2002 alleged in a court filing that detainees have been force-fed up to a gallon at a time of nutrient and water.

That place must be kept open just for the campaign promises for the next tool that runs for office.

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 12 2014,10:58
Individual mandate pushed back until after the next election cycle.  I guess they didn't like losing in Florida yesterday.

< http://online.wsj.com/news....7325596 >

Not much of a law any more, is it.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 14 2014,08:56
Delay the individual mandate for a year?  < Necessary >.  Delay it for a decade?  Evil.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 17 2014,07:05
Obama - "Just cancel your phone service if you can't afford Obamacare.  Also it is all Texas's fault that it isn't working."

< http://thefederalist.com/2014....e-costs >

Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 17 2014,08:20
Well.

You're welcome.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 18 2014,13:19
< Biden reassures Europe: > don't worry, we're not actually going to do anything.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 18 2014,13:22
The memo must have gone out, there's an open obamacare thread on fark at the moment and half the people are saying their costs have gone up and they can't afford it, and the other half are calling the first half liars.
Posted by Vince on Mar. 18 2014,13:25
They're desperate.  Initially they were just trying to counter the "my rates went up" with "my rates went down" posts.  Now they're getting overrun I think, so they're going Dingy Harry (Reid) on them calling them all liars.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 18 2014,16:37
I've never quite seen anything like it.  One is accustomed to "strawman" and "citation needed," but these are just people who think the plan is great, and the only reason you would have to be lying is because you want the black man to fail and want to fuck over poor people.  They are being vocal about it.  And this is like half the people in the country loathing the other half, not just having a difference of opinion.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 18 2014,18:07
US Fish and Wildlife service using legal loopholes to get public land closed for energy exploration.

Conservation groups set up a lawsuit in whatever land they want closed, and somehow the lawsuits are getting fast tracked and the land is closed.

QUOTE
The attorney general charges that "by entering into private settlements with special interest litigants, (the Fish and Wildlife Service) has attempted to circumvent the legislative and regulatory process and make fundamental changes to its (Endangered Species Act)-imposed obligations."

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2014,05:57
< Let's Move > is Michelle Obama's contribution to our country. It's a program about fighting childhood obesity.

No problem there.

Recently she's been declaring it a huge success with childhood obesity rates falling 43% based on a study performed by the CDC.

As it turns out, < that study is bullshit and childhood obesity has more likely increased. >

< Newsbusters blames the MSM for ignoring obviously flawed data to boost M. Obama. >

Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 19 2014,06:20
As far as I know, M. Obama is the one who got rid of 1-2% milk at my child's school, and replaced it with 0%, pure sugar milk.

Bitch.

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2014,06:59
I had lunch with my kid at school last year on his birthday.  Brought him in some McDonald's.

For lunch that day they were serving chicken nuggets, mixed fruit, and some carrot and celery sticks with pita bread and some thing you dip it in.... the name is blanking.  Like a vegetable dip.  Middle eastern, I think.

Anyway, I watched nearly every kid in there eat the chicken nuggets, drink the chocolate milk, and dump the fruit and veggies in the trash.

All that dumb cunt is doing by forcing schools to change their menus is making kids hungry in the afternoon because they are serving food kids wont eat.

Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 19 2014,07:29

(GORDON @ Mar. 19 2014,09:59)
QUOTE
All that dumb cunt is doing by forcing schools to change their menus is making kids hungry in the afternoon because they are serving food kids wont eat.

This.

They've stripped the fat and protein out of the meals.  It's a bunch of crappy carbs.

I go to lunch with my kid about monthly.  What I see is even worse.  For some reason kids are allowed to get dessert every day.  Often, there's at least 3-5 kids who eat just the ice cream, and dump the rest of stuff.

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2014,08:20
Our school calls the desserts "extras" and parents can specify whether the kids are allowed to get them at all, or only on Fridays, or whatever.  All food is paid for through their accounts with a pin number, and the computer wont allow an unapproved purchase.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 20 2014,10:33

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 20 2014,20:35
Obamacare mortgages.

< http://netrightdaily.com/2014....qxyz33a >

You'll be forced to pay a few percent to cover those peeps who don't pay their bills.  Again.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 20 2014,20:44
Goddamnit.  Now I have to solve one of those million dollar problems if I want a house.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 25 2014,10:38
< Obama says > NSA needs to stop collecting bulk data.  The unspoken part is "and getting caught."

< Obamacare indefensible > says Democrats.  It's still "fixable."  Wonder why the fuck someone felt the need to implement a broken law to begin with.

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 25 2014,11:58
They had to pass it so they could see what is in it.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 25 2014,12:34

(GORDON @ Mar. 25 2014,13:58)
QUOTE
They had to pass it so they could see what is in it.

The "kidney stone" philosophy.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 25 2014,12:40

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 25 2014,13:16
Her second line is great.  Send this woman to DC.


Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 25 2014,13:31
That the one about castrating hogs in her childhood?
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 25 2014,14:02
Yes.  We all know what she means.  She's going to make them squeal.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 26 2014,07:21
Another wave of his hand, and another change to the law.  Individuals can now wave Obamacare for a year if they can prove they had trouble singing up.

< http://online.wsj.com/news....8430154 >

Honestly, I thought it had all been waived until after the next elections.  I don't even know what is going on with it any more.



Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 26 2014,07:28
Obamacare = Duke Nukem Forever.
Posted by Vince on Mar. 26 2014,08:37

(GORDON @ Mar. 26 2014,09:21)
QUOTE
Honestly, I thought it had all been waived until after the next elections.  I don't even know what is going on with it any more.

I think the part that smacks the employers insurance hits after the elections.  The part that will put us all in the same boat with cancelled plans as the self insured.  This is allowing the self insured to wait a year if they can show they had trouble getting logged in and stuff.  I don't think anyone is following specifics anymore.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 26 2014,19:29
The Obamacare website still isn't done, and there is no way for the administration to know who has signed up and paid yet in spite of their throwing out the "5 million" number.

Expect the rest of the media to be all over this, ripping on Onama for sucking.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....t-fixed >

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 26 2014,19:51
The IRS will give up the emails needed to investigate the targeting of conservative groups.  After the next elections.

< http://www.washingtontimes.com/news....ty-targ >

Posted by Vince on Mar. 27 2014,06:31
The lack of giving a crap in this nation over all this is astonishing.  Nixon was born 50 years too soon apparently.  He was a visionary.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2014,07:22

(Vince @ Mar. 27 2014,08:31)
QUOTE
The lack of giving a crap in this nation over all this is astonishing.  Nixon was born 50 years too soon apparently.  He was a visionary.

He would be crucified even today.  He was paranoid on a level only surpassed by Stalin and had all the public likability of a gonorrhea sore.
Posted by Vince on Mar. 27 2014,07:25
At least he had strong foreign relation skills.  Which puts him one up on the current administration as far as positives.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 27 2014,07:27

(Malcolm @ Mar. 27 2014,10:22)
QUOTE

(Vince @ Mar. 27 2014,08:31)
QUOTE
The lack of giving a crap in this nation over all this is astonishing.  Nixon was born 50 years too soon apparently.  He was a visionary.

He would be crucified even today.  He was paranoid on a level only surpassed by Stalin and had all the public likability of a gonorrhea sore.

Doesn't matter.  The media will not allow a republican to win.  They would endorse satan if her were the democratic front runner.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2014,07:53

(Vince @ Mar. 27 2014,09:25)
QUOTE
At least he had strong foreign relation skills.  Which puts him one up on the current administration as far as positives.

He did?  Kissinger was one million times the diplomat Nixon could ever have hoped to be.  And Henry had Ben Stein's manner of speech.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 27 2014,07:54
Only Nixon can go to China.

~ Old Vulcan proverb

Posted by Vince on Mar. 27 2014,07:57

(Malcolm @ Mar. 27 2014,09:53)
QUOTE

(Vince @ Mar. 27 2014,09:25)
QUOTE
At least he had strong foreign relation skills.  Which puts him one up on the current administration as far as positives.

He did?  Kissinger was one million times the diplomat Nixon could ever have hoped to be.  And Henry had Ben Stein's manner of speech.

Since Kissinger was hired by Nixon, I'll still mark that one under Nixon's "win" column.

Obama hired Hillary and then Kerry.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2014,10:33
Nixon had less charisma than a hungover Napoleon Dynamite.  There's a reason TV killed his campaigns -- people could see him.
Posted by Vince on Mar. 27 2014,10:54
It's true that TV killed Nixon in the '60 campaign.  Interestingly, the radio audience that listened to the infamous debate without seeing them gave it to Nixon over Kennedy.  Which is a sad statement about the public in general.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2014,11:01

(Vince @ Mar. 27 2014,12:54)
QUOTE
It's true that TV killed Nixon in the '60 campaign.  Interestingly, the radio audience that listened to the infamous debate without seeing them gave it to Nixon over Kennedy.  Which is a sad statement about the public in general.

I'd vote for Checkers over Nixon.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 27 2014,11:12

(Vince @ Mar. 27 2014,13:54)
QUOTE
It's true that TV killed Nixon in the '60 campaign.  Interestingly, the radio audience that listened to the infamous debate without seeing them gave it to Nixon over Kennedy.  Which is a sad statement about the public in general.

It's because Nixon was battling the flu at the time, which was coming across on TV.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2014,11:17

(GORDON @ Mar. 27 2014,13:12)
QUOTE

(Vince @ Mar. 27 2014,13:54)
QUOTE
It's true that TV killed Nixon in the '60 campaign.  Interestingly, the radio audience that listened to the infamous debate without seeing them gave it to Nixon over Kennedy.  Which is a sad statement about the public in general.

It's because Nixon was battling the flu at the time, which was coming across on TV.

Gee, maybe he should've taken the makeup/wardrobe prep that Kennedy's advisers made him go through.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 27 2014,11:24
They had that for the first televised debate ever back in '62?

At least I think it was the first televised debate.  Maybe it wasn't.

But still.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2014,11:32

(GORDON @ Mar. 27 2014,13:24)
QUOTE
They had that for the first televised debate ever back in '62?

At least I think it was the first televised debate.  Maybe it wasn't.

But still.

Nixon v. Kennedy was the first televised debate.  It's not like TV hadn't been around before.  Certainly those in the film industry learned that it's a fucking stupid idea to go out in front of a camera without such things.  People normally don't view you when you've got 100 spotlights on you.

< From here >.
QUOTE
Nixon insisted on campaigning until just a few hours before the first debate started. He had not completely recovered from his hospital stay and thus looked pale, sickly, underweight, and tired. He also refused makeup for the first debate, and as a result his beard stubble showed prominently on the era's black-and-white TV screens. Nixon's poor appearance on television in the first debate is reflected by the fact that his mother called him immediately following the debate to ask if he was sick. Kennedy, by contrast, rested and prepared extensively beforehand, appearing tanned, confident, and relaxed during the debate.



Posted by GORDON on Mar. 27 2014,11:35
I'm not sure what the argument is any more.  Nixon deserved to lose because makeup?
Posted by Vince on Mar. 27 2014,12:22
Joe arranged for JFK to practice in front of cameras at a local new station before the debates.  He was pretty sharp when it came to public perception.  To the point of being ruthless and deserving a bullet to the head.  Might have been Karma what happened to his sons.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2014,12:31

(GORDON @ Mar. 27 2014,13:35)
QUOTE
I'm not sure what the argument is any more.  Nixon deserved to lose because makeup?

Merely confirming Nixon refused makeup services, which only worked to magnify his already underwhelming charm.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 27 2014,12:37
We have a charming President now, isn't that going well.

But I am not arguing.  Just saying I think history is going to be a lot softer on Nixon than it will be on Obama, or even Kennedy.  His signature legislation only got passed after his death, out of pity.  Obama and his party  rammed a big dick down our throats and promised not to cum in our mouths and then did anyway.  Nixon opened China.



Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 01 2014,12:31
Serves her right for < having opinions about things >.


Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 01 2014,13:07
I just googled it, and that Common Core shit - at least for math - is pretty damn awful.  I appreciate that they are trying to teach concepts of meta-analysis, but the stuff I read was so badly done that there's absolutely no way the target audience could have possibly understood it and what they were trying to explain.

Yikes.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 01 2014,13:42
A few of us have posted examples and discussed it on facebook.  In summary, I end up making sure my kid knows the correct way to do math as well as being able to do "math" the way the school wants to see it.

I remember when communities were responsible for teaching their own children, so that individual parents had a lot better chance of changing things if the curriculum got too retarded.  Thank god for DC taking that away because now we have almost no power.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 01 2014,13:48
If you teach the kids math properly in grade school, then they'll be able to figure out that the huge scam which is college isn't financially worth it.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 01 2014,13:50
My kid is going to know all kinds of things that the establishment probably doesn't want him to know.  I sometimes worry he'll grow up constantly miserable because he will see how idiotic is the society in which he lives.  I at least got to be naive for about 30 years until I figured things out for myself.
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 01 2014,14:21
Yes, but think how much more ranting you could have gotten done if you had those missing thirty years to work with.  And what heights of cynicism you could have achieved.  

Such wasted potential.

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 02 2014,08:07
< Obama's online PR campaign promoting the ACA continues... >
Posted by Vince on Apr. 02 2014,09:52

(TPRJones @ Apr. 01 2014,15:07)
QUOTE
I just googled it, and that Common Core shit - at least for math - is pretty damn awful.  I appreciate that they are trying to teach concepts of meta-analysis, but the stuff I read was so badly done that there's absolutely no way the target audience could have possibly understood it and what they were trying to explain.

Yikes.

It's god awful.  I'm reminded that I'm grateful not to have kids.

They keep saying they aren't dictating the curriculum with these tests, but if you're testing about famous purple dinosaurs I'd wager a bet that Barney is going to have to be in the curriculum somewhere.

Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 02 2014,09:59
I've got a 1st grader, it's not as bad as all the incessant whining would have you suggest.

My primary issues are :
1) Targeting abstract reasoning towards individuals that are not yet capable of it (1st graders).
2) The reading level of some of the assignments must be 4th or 5th grade.  My 1st grader reads and end-of-2nd grade level, but cannot read some of her homework on her own.

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 02 2014,10:20
Hmmm.  Are they stupid, or is this gross incompetence their way to try to force parents to get involved in their child's education?
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 02 2014,10:21
Yeah, I kinda battled that with myself on #2.  On the one hand, it's poor targeting.  Maybe that will get fixed.  On the other hand, it forces parental involvement.

CC is new.  There will always be the reactionary "Ack! something new!" and kinks that should be worked out later.

Posted by Vince on Apr. 02 2014,10:33

(TheCatt @ Apr. 02 2014,11:59)
QUOTE
I've got a 1st grader, it's not as bad as all the incessant whining would have you suggest.

My sister is super involved with it here in TN.  The stuff they're talking about here IS that bad..  They're trying to develop target schools so if your kid tests well in math and sciences, then they go to a high school that focuses on that.  Much like the Soviets did.  If you answer a math question wrong but can give a decent explanation of how you arrived at your wrong answer, you get more credit than a kid that got the answer right, but can't explain how they got it their answer.

It's a completely untried system developed by people that have never taught at the level they're developing for.  I'm hoping a number of states opt out and we can compare where they are in a few years.

I'm all for trying something new, but I like the options of different states trying different things.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 02 2014,10:55
QUOTE
They're trying to develop target schools so if your kid tests well in math and sciences, then they go to a high school that focuses on that.

I don't mind, long as they don't go overboard.

Posted by Vince on Apr. 02 2014,11:14

(Malcolm @ Apr. 02 2014,12:55)
QUOTE
QUOTE
They're trying to develop target schools so if your kid tests well in math and sciences, then they go to a high school that focuses on that.

I don't mind, long as they don't go overboard.

Too much of it's in secret now.  My nephew discovered once he got into high school that he really enjoyed reading the classics after they were assigned.  Considering how high he scored in science and math, would he have even been exposed to these?

How many famous people did poorly in their fields because they were visionaries and did not conform to the "norms" of their chosen fields?  Where would Einstein have ended up or Fred Smith in common core?

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 02 2014,11:50
QUOTE
Considering how high he scored in science and math, would he have even been exposed to these?

That's the overboard bit.  Taking away all electives would be a stupid idea.  I don't see anything wrong with more specialization, though.

QUOTE
Where would Einstein have ended up...

Still working in a patent office, where he did a lot of his shit.

Posted by Vince on Apr. 02 2014,13:00

(Malcolm @ Apr. 02 2014,13:50)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Considering how high he scored in science and math, would he have even been exposed to these?

That's the overboard bit.  Taking away all electives would be a stupid idea.  I don't see anything wrong with more specialization, though.

I don't have a problem with specialization.  I have a problem with the system (ie, the government) deciding what you're going to specialize in.  Here in TN, that's one of the things they're trying to do with common core.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 02 2014,13:28
The biggest problem I have with Common Core, aside from the asinine way they are trying to teach things, is that the individual parents have very little control over it.  When a local schoolboard is making educational decisions, it's usually a bimonthly meeting where the local citizens can show up and ask them if they are all fucking stupid, or what?  When a state is calling the shots, a person can actually make a difference when it comes to influencing the next election.  When it is DC you might as well just go fuck yourself while swallowing the cum they promised they would not shoot in your mouth, because it will cost you $100k just to get in the door to talk to the guy who takes the "campaign donations."
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 03 2014,05:47
Voter fraud in NC finally noticed.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....arolina >

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 05 2014,10:33
< Obama being bipartisan >.
QUOTE
"With this budget," he said, "Republicans are turning their back on the middle class."


John Boehner earns his surname with an equally vapid and unproductive response.
QUOTE
"This budget is a clear sign this president has given up on any efforts to address our serious fiscal challenges that are undermining the future of our kids and grandkids," Boehner warned in a statement.


Fucking midterm elections.



Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 05 2014,10:35

(Malcolm @ Apr. 05 2014,13:33)
QUOTE
John Boehner earns his surname with an equally vapid and unproductive response.
QUOTE
"This budget is a clear sign this president has given up on any efforts to address our serious fiscal challenges that are undermining the future of our kids and grandkids," Boehner warned in a statement.


Fucking midterm elections.

You know it's pronounced Bay-nur, right?
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 05 2014,10:39

(TheCatt @ Apr. 05 2014,12:35)
QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Apr. 05 2014,13:33)
QUOTE
John Boehner earns his surname with an equally vapid and unproductive response.
QUOTE
"This budget is a clear sign this president has given up on any efforts to address our serious fiscal challenges that are undermining the future of our kids and grandkids," Boehner warned in a statement.


Fucking midterm elections.

You know it's pronounced Bay-nur, right?

Not until he stops saying so many stupid things.
Posted by Vince on Apr. 05 2014,16:21
I've pretty much taken to calling him boner too.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2014,12:02
< Attorney General has thin skin >.
QUOTE
Holder was testifying before the House Judiciary Committee when Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, began pressing him for documents in a separate investigation. Gohmert brought up an apparent sore spot, referencing the 2012 House vote finding Holder in contempt of Congress.

"I realize that contempt is not a big deal to our attorney general, but it is important that we have proper oversight," Gohmert said.

A visibly annoyed Holder said: "You don't want to go there, buddy." Leaning back in his chair, he added, "You don't want to go there, okay?"

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 09 2014,11:12
< IRS employees told people who they ought to vote for >.
QUOTE
According to the report, the employee told the callers a chant based on Obama’s last name that touted his campaign and urged them to reelect him. The report does not say where the employee was located, but says the Office of Special Counsel is seeking “significant disciplinary action” against him.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 10 2014,10:16
Obama's new party: < the piss and moan about everything party >.  Keep pointing the finger somewhere else.


Posted by Vince on Apr. 10 2014,12:49
Sadly, I think the President's party is only becoming a mirror of society in the "pissing and moaning" department.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 11 2014,15:14
Student suspended for telling other students the Common Core testing was optional.

< http://www.foxnews.com/us....estnews >

We have already discussed planning a vacation for the week of next year's CC testing, just to be difficult.  The school WANTS my kid to take it, because he brings test score averages up.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 11 2014,15:29
Tell 'em to fuck off.  Or tell your kid to tank the test on purpose.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 14 2014,06:42
I honestly don't understand why Dems are so gung-ho about giving up internet control.

< http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech....0140410 >

Are they getting paid off, or something?  I don't see the appeal.

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 14 2014,07:07
Because Dems look at anything with "international committee" in it as being a utopic ideal.  Since the U.S. is evil, turning any power over to an international body can only be a good thing.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 14 2014,08:13

(TPRJones @ Apr. 14 2014,10:07)
QUOTE
Because Dems look at anything with "international committee" in it as being a utopic ideal.  Since the U.S. is evil, turning any power over to an international body can only be a good thing.

Yeah, there's that, but.... I don't think any of them rally give a shit beyond what they can profit by it.  I don't think any of them have even the morals to be honestly pro-global-harmony-whatever.  There's got to be money in it somewhere.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 14 2014,08:17
QUOTE
He warned that if the U.S. gives up its role overseeing Internet address functions, that could allow Russia or China to seize power.

Because your cybersecurity is a fucking joke.

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 14 2014,08:32
QUOTE
I don't think any of them have even the morals to be honestly pro-global-harmony-whatever.

I disagree.  I think the main reason the Dems are so dangerous is that they really do believe the bullshit they claim to.  Not that the ones in Congress aren't ALSO interested in the money, mind you.  But if money were the only reason they were in the game, they'd be Republicans.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 14 2014,08:44
QUOTE
I think the main reason the Dems are so dangerous is that they really do believe the bullshit they claim to.

Hitler believed he was making the world a better place.

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 14 2014,08:48
Exactly.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 14 2014,09:20
I'm pretty sure the pachyderms think they're making the world a better place, too.  Doesn't make them any more correct.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 14 2014,11:28
< Racism >.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 14 2014,13:46
< Want a merger >?  Hope you're contributing enough.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 15 2014,15:41
< Republican > running for reelection slams B. Rock's policies.  Oh, wait.  I mean Democrat.  Hope she enjoyed her career.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 17 2014,13:08
< Obama promises to respond to Russian aggression >, maybe, possibly, kinda... you know, we can always ship them more MREs.

QUOTE
President Obama on Thursday said the U.S. and its allies “have to be prepared – potentially – to respond,” to continued efforts by Russia to interfere in southern Ukraine.

Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 17 2014,13:09
Oh... here we go
QUOTE
Obama: Military options are not on the table


More appropriate would be
QUOTE
Obama: I'm Putin's bitch



Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 17 2014,13:14
QUOTE
Obama promises to respond to Russian aggression, maybe, possibly, kinda... you know, we can always ship them more MREs.

Hey, we shipped them some helmets today, man.  Shit's getting real.  I hear boots, maybe with some fashionable but modest mock leather gloves, are next on the list.

QUOTE
Turning to domestic issues Taking a chance to distract reporters from his startling lack of balls, Obama also called upon Republicans to end their “endless, fruitless” efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act.



Posted by GORDON on Apr. 17 2014,13:37
Really the best we can hope for is that Putin stops before he hits the Atlantic.  It isn't like anyone will stop him.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 17 2014,21:07

(GORDON @ Apr. 17 2014,15:37)
QUOTE
Really the best we can hope for is that Putin stops before he hits the Atlantic.  It isn't like anyone will stop him.

The top NATO commander has been quietly fuming that we've needed to do shit for some time now, in a very real "send some troops over there for some impromptu parades and war games" way.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 18 2014,13:29
< Punting > on another decision until after November.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 18 2014,13:43
What an amazing leader.  The buck stops there, certainly.
Posted by Vince on Apr. 18 2014,13:56
Just wait until next winter.  My understanding was that a couple of times this past winter the northeast was one power plant away from grid failure due to the heavy usage because of the cold.  Obama's coal regulations have a number of coal plants slated to close over the next 12 months.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 18 2014,14:32
It'll be Bush's fault. Or the obstructionist republican congress.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 18 2014,15:54
IThe revolution is not allowed to begin until Avengers 3 is released.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 18 2014,16:41

(Vince @ Apr. 18 2014,16:56)
QUOTE
Just wait until next winter.  My understanding was that a couple of times this past winter the northeast was one power plant away from grid failure due to the heavy usage because of the cold.  Obama's coal regulations have a number of coal plants slated to close over the next 12 months.

It wouldn't be grid failure, it would be rolling blackouts.  Actually, we were very close to that within the past year here in NC.  We were within 4% of rolling blackouts, and smart grid stuff prevented that.
Posted by Vince on Apr. 18 2014,17:18

(TheCatt @ Apr. 18 2014,18:41)
QUOTE

(Vince @ Apr. 18 2014,16:56)
QUOTE
Just wait until next winter.  My understanding was that a couple of times this past winter the northeast was one power plant away from grid failure due to the heavy usage because of the cold.  Obama's coal regulations have a number of coal plants slated to close over the next 12 months.

It wouldn't be grid failure, it would be rolling blackouts.  Actually, we were very close to that within the past year here in NC.  We were within 4% of rolling blackouts, and smart grid stuff prevented that.

Maybe it would have been rolling blackouts if your lose the one power plant that has you above capacity, but I think they're going to be closing something like a dozen coal plants in the next year?  I don't know if those blackouts from that would roll or not ;-)
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 19 2014,15:31
< Obama administration breaks another promise, and chickens out. >

Don't want to answer stuff like this? Then don't promise you'll answer every petition that hits 100K signatures.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 19 2014,17:08
A simple, "This is retarded," would have been a sufficient response for me.  The immigration reform shit they managed to shoehorn in kind of annoys me more.
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 21 2014,10:40

(GORDON @ Apr. 14 2014,08:42)
QUOTE
I honestly don't understand why Dems are so gung-ho about giving up internet control.

< http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech....0140410 >

Are they getting paid off, or something?  I don't see the appeal.

Actually, maybe handing it over the the EU wouldn't be such a bad idea now: < http://gigaom.com/2014....reforms >
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 21 2014,11:53
Obama the ball-less:

< Syria used chems >, again.

Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 22 2014,06:07
< STOP! Or, we'll say stop again! >
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 22 2014,07:24
President Ned fucking Flanders.
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 22 2014,07:34
Speak loudly, and don't carry any sticks because that would be mean.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 22 2014,10:50
The buck stops wherever you think it should stop, sir.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 24 2014,11:13
< Plant >.
QUOTE
During a ceremony in the East Room, a little girl told first lady Michelle Obama: "My dad's been out of a job for three years and I wanted to give you his résumé."

I bet it was totally unprompted and spontaneous.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 28 2014,09:30

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 28 2014,10:22
"Sanctions < not doing shit >," say economists.

Obama's response: < More sanctions >.  No word on when he'll break out the nerf cruise missiles.



Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 28 2014,10:27
US can issue search warrants that are exercised in < other countries >.
Wtf?
QUOTE
[New York-based U.S. Magistrate Judge James] Francis said the likes of Microsoft, Google, and other online service providers should hand over such data because, if U.S. law agencies were to coordinate efforts with foreign governments to secure such information, the "burden on the [U.S.] government would be substantial" and U.S. law enforcement efforts would be "seriously impeded".



Posted by Leisher on Apr. 29 2014,06:37

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 29 2014,06:38
Ha.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 29 2014,10:11
I have often thought that.  "We fucking HAVE to, assholes".
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 29 2014,10:17
< Obama reduces energy costs sources >.
QUOTE
To comply with the regulations, electric utilities are expected to have to install costly pollution-control equipment on existing coal plants – or just shut them down.

Looks like the feds are taking the same strategy on coal power plants that the Texas gov't takes on abortion services.



Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 29 2014,11:35
Approval rating at < new low >.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 29 2014,11:44

(Malcolm @ Apr. 29 2014,13:17)
QUOTE
< Obama reduces energy costs sources >.
QUOTE
To comply with the regulations, electric utilities are expected to have to install costly pollution-control equipment on existing coal plants – or just shut them down.

Looks like the feds are taking the same strategy on coal power plants that the Texas gov't takes on abortion services.

Good thing we control China's pollution output, too, otherwise that would be all for nothing.  It would be a gigantic waste of money and resources to reduce American coal usage if it turned out China was just going to take up the slack.

< http://tinyurl.com/celvl8w >



Posted by Leisher on Apr. 29 2014,13:52

(Malcolm @ Apr. 29 2014,14:35)
QUOTE
Approval rating at < new low >.

I honestly think Dems are more delusional than Repubs.

At this point, even the Repubs could admit W sucked. B Rock has been exceptionally worse, yet his approval is higher?

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 29 2014,14:00

(Leisher @ Apr. 29 2014,16:52)
QUOTE
B Rock has been exceptionally worse, yet his approval is higher?

More fanatical fanbase.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 29 2014,14:05
They are like Apple users.  In fact, I think most of them are.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 29 2014,14:11
Heard a couple pharmacists talking about how great Obamacare is, the other night.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 29 2014,14:24
QUOTE
I honestly think Dems are more delusional than Repubs.

I'm still tied between the donkeys who think the current administration is doing good and the pachyderms who think their party has a future while trying to legislate both economics and morality.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 30 2014,10:21
< Republican > not as stupid as his party affiliation would have you believe.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Apr. 30 2014,11:47

(Leisher @ Apr. 29 2014,09:37)
QUOTE

And some of them still don't have it.  Maybe.  Who the fuck knows.

Paid the premium online.  Money is still in our account.  Deadline approaches.  Do I have insurance or what.  I guess I should have known better than to trust the people forcing me to pay them for their (protection) "insurance".

Posted by Leisher on May 02 2014,09:34
< WSJ says Obamacare is creating a two-tier health system. >

One for the haves and one for the have nots.

Isn't it funny how everything the critics of Obamacare said would happen is happening, and how nobody who supported this piece of shit is admitting it?

Posted by Malcolm on May 02 2014,10:34
QUOTE
Isn't it funny how everything the critics of Obamacare said would happen is happening, and how nobody who supported this piece of shit is admitting it?

I say the same shit about the DHS and TSA.  Fuck both major parties.  I'm not voting for any member of either again.

Posted by Leisher on May 02 2014,11:24

Posted by GORDON on May 06 2014,05:48
White House sets the "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" dial to about 9.5.

< http://www.cnn.com/2014....ex.html >

"There's zero chance congress can stop what we're doing."

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....te-plan >

Good stuff.

Posted by TheCatt on May 16 2014,06:49
< People want to oust the government >

Starts today?

Posted by Leisher on May 16 2014,06:53
One of my crazy right wing FB posting uncles I've talked about is there.
Posted by Malcolm on May 19 2014,10:14
< The awesome VA department > apologizes for possibly letting forty people die due to lack of promised medical care.  Imagine how great it'll be when more people are using government health care.
Posted by Malcolm on May 19 2014,12:03
< US indicts Chinese hackers > ... somehow.
QUOTE
The five individuals named in the indictment unsealed Monday are Wang Dong, Sun Kailiang, Wen Xinyu, Huang Zhenyu and Gu Chunhui, with conspiracy to commit computer fraud and abuse.

Hahahahahahahaha.

< China responds >.
QUOTE
"From Obama’s perspective, this will hopefully take some of the heat, the criticism, off him that he’s been totally wimpy," she [Professor June Teufel Dreyer, a China specialist at the University of Miami] said, adding that by targeting individuals rather than the entire Chinese military, the U.S. may be attempting to limit the potential damage to U.S.-China relations.

No, there's pretty much nothing he can do to shake off the criticism of his lack of balls.  Barbara Bush has bigger balls than B. Rock.

Posted by TPRJones on May 19 2014,12:51
What does he expect to accomplish here?  Of course China isn't going to hand them over.  If the situation were reversed would he be handing US Citizens over to China upon request?
Posted by Malcolm on May 19 2014,12:52

(TPRJones @ May 19 2014,14:51)
QUOTE
What does he expect to accomplish here?  Of course China isn't going to hand them over.  If the situation were reversed would he be handing US Citizens over to China upon request?

Trying to look like less of a pussy than in the Ukraine.
Posted by TPRJones on May 19 2014,12:55
Well, it's not working.
Posted by Malcolm on May 19 2014,13:01

(TPRJones @ May 19 2014,14:55)
QUOTE
Well, it's not working.

Personally, I'd have done it if only to encourage the possibility of the case "United States v. Wang Dong."
Posted by Malcolm on May 19 2014,13:08
< Obama administration to federal employee >: keep your fucking mouth shut, plebe.
QUOTE
The air marshal, Robert MacLean, was dismissed from his job for telling MSNBC that the TSA had discontinued posting air marshals on overnight flights from Las Vegas despite a then recent alert that a new plot to hijack U.S. airliners may have been underfoot.
...
The agency dismissed Mr. MacLean after he admitted during the dress-code investigation to also disclosing the Las Vegas flights information. TSA fired him under the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, which prohibits employees from disclosing “sensitive security information” that the secretary of Homeland Security determines could be “detrimental to public safety.”

Again, go fuck yourself, TSA.  Go fuck yourself, DHS.  Go fuck yourself, DC.

Posted by Leisher on May 20 2014,08:24
< Obama learned about the VA stuff from the media like everyone else. >

This is a recurring theme in his presidency. Is there anything his people actually know? Are they asleep at the wheel? Is anyone out there stupid enough to still believe what they're saying?

Meanwhile, Armed Forces Day was Saturday and < it was mostly ignored by our current government in favor of International Day Against Homophobia or Transphobia. >

Posted by Malcolm on May 20 2014,08:42
Transphobia?  Is that, like ... a transitional irrational paranoia you get as you move from one fear to another?
Posted by Vince on May 20 2014,08:53

(Leisher @ May 20 2014,10:24)
QUOTE
This is a recurring theme in his presidency. Is there anything his people actually know? Are they asleep at the wheel? Is anyone out there stupid enough to still believe what they're saying?

I don't recall ever seeing a President argue he's not at fault because of his own incompetence as President as much as this guy.
Posted by Malcolm on May 20 2014,09:11

(Vince @ May 20 2014,10:53)
QUOTE

(Leisher @ May 20 2014,10:24)
QUOTE
This is a recurring theme in his presidency. Is there anything his people actually know? Are they asleep at the wheel? Is anyone out there stupid enough to still believe what they're saying?

I don't recall ever seeing a President argue he's not at fault because of his own incompetence as President as much as this guy.

I saw Pat Buchanan arguing the head of the VA department should be spared because he wasn't aware of shit, either.  The revolving door of stupidity is in constant, fluid motion for both parties in DC.



Posted by TPRJones on May 20 2014,09:41
I think it's more like they're taking a "don't ask, don't tell" approach to governmental incompetence.

They are Democrats, after all, which means they think government is just swell and never does anything wrong.

Posted by Malcolm on May 20 2014,10:16
< Convicted >.  Certainly there are no more citizens in this country using their cash to alter election results.
Posted by Vince on May 20 2014,10:23
Well, none that made anti-Obama movies anyway.
Posted by Malcolm on May 20 2014,11:35
< White House lies > through its teeth.
QUOTE
The White House has pledged that the CIA will no longer use vaccination programs as a cover for spying operations...

Posted by Malcolm on May 23 2014,11:04
< Obama on bipartisanship >: blame the other party.
Posted by Malcolm on May 24 2014,11:22
< Strategy > for Democrats to win Congressional seats: throw B. Rock under the bus.
Posted by Leisher on May 24 2014,13:36

(Malcolm @ May 23 2014,14:04)
QUOTE
< Obama on bipartisanship >: blame the other party.

The article's author wholeheartedly agrees, so do the completely brainwashed commentators.

I mean, there is no way you can possibly live in this country and think this statement is accurate. You know, if you have an IQ above 100.

Not only is it partisan politics, but it's a complete lack of understanding about our governments, economics, society, etc.

These people couldn't have their heads buried farther in the sand.

Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2014,10:13
< Hillary: dick ridin' Obama >.
Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2014,12:34
< Michelle plays politics > with children's health.
QUOTE
The first lady said families realize the country is facing a "health crisis," and the "last thing we can afford to do right now is play politics with kids' health."

Sam Kass, director of Mrs. Obama's Let's Move initiative to combat childhood obesity, called the GOP bill "a real assault" on administration efforts to make foods healthier for kids.

Again, the only thing that comes to mind is the Rick James bit from Chappelle.

Posted by GORDON on May 27 2014,13:07
And yet... probably about half the country thinks that what she said was perfectly cromulent.
Posted by TPRJones on May 27 2014,13:46
If cromulent means delicious then you are probably correct.
Posted by Malcolm on May 30 2014,10:51
< VA Sec > resigns.
QUOTE
"This is my administration, I always take responsibility for whatever happens," Mr. Obama said in a press conference after their meeting. "The VA is a big organization that has had problems for a long time."

You avoid responsibility like Sally Struthers avoids tofu.

Posted by Vince on May 30 2014,14:09
"I take responsibility.  It was broke before I got here."
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 02 2014,10:21
< Closing down power plants >.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 02 2014,10:28
< Released 5 terrorist leaders for 1 U.S. soldier. >

While I'm happy for the soldier and his family, the Republicans are correct on this issue. This sets a bad precedent. Even Bill Clinton agreed that you simply do not negotiate with these people.

Here's hoping they somehow low jacked these scumbags, and there's a plan in place to nuke them from orbit once they get to their destination.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 02 2014,10:44
QUOTE
Rice and Hagel repeatedly disagreed with the argument that U.S. officials negotiated with terrorists to get back Bergdahl.

“He wasn’t simply a hostage,” Rice said. “He was a prisoner of war.”

Hagel told NBC’s “Meet the Press”: “We didn’t negotiate with terrorists. Sergeant Bergdahl is a prisoner of war. That’s a natural process.”

I have to go remove the top of my skull so I can soak my brain directly in whiskey and perhaps figure out what the fuck is going on in those sentences.

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 02 2014,11:55
Now it appears that the man Obama's administration released 5 known terrorist leaders to save < is a deserter, and potentially, a traitor. >

Read the article, this guy is basically hated by U.S. troops in Afghanistan, and his desertion seems to be responsible for a LOT of U.S. deaths.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 02 2014,12:15
QUOTE
That Bergdahl was freed in an exchange for five detainees at Guantanamo Bay is a further source of consternation.

Maybe they're having a fire sale on inmates?

Posted by Vince on Jun. 03 2014,03:36

(Leisher @ Jun. 02 2014,13:55)
QUOTE
Now it appears that the man Obama's administration released 5 known terrorist leaders to save < is a deserter, and potentially, a traitor. >

Read the article, this guy is basically hated by U.S. troops in Afghanistan, and his desertion seems to be responsible for a LOT of U.S. deaths.

Sadly I'm not even shocked by this.  More perplexed by it than anything.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 03 2014,10:14
< B. Rock reassures > Eastern European allies that we're not pussies.
QUOTE
Under attack from critics at home who say his leadership on the world stage has not been muscular enough, Obama unveiled plans to spend up to $1 billion in supporting and training the armed forces of NATO states on Russia's borders.

If his response to the Ukraine crisis is any indication, that's $1B towards learning how to make your balls reascend into your scrotum at will.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 03 2014,10:19
< Stepping up spying > on the domestic level.  I'm sure all the surveillance will be legal and above the board.
Posted by Vince on Jun. 03 2014,11:16

(Vince @ Jun. 03 2014,05:36)
QUOTE

(Leisher @ Jun. 02 2014,13:55)
QUOTE
Now it appears that the man Obama's administration released 5 known terrorist leaders to save < is a deserter, and potentially, a traitor. >

Read the article, this guy is basically hated by U.S. troops in Afghanistan, and his desertion seems to be responsible for a LOT of U.S. deaths.

Sadly I'm not even shocked by this.  More perplexed by it than anything.

Initially I thought it a coincidence that this happened when it did to knock the VA scandal out of the news cycle.  But honestly, I didn't think the government competent enough to move that fast on something.  But now I think they might actually HAVE moved that fast since they had no idea of who they were trading 5 high value prisoners for.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 04 2014,10:13
< The foreshadowing >.
QUOTE
Hillary Rodham Clinton says she knows she has a decision to make about running to become the first female president, and believes "we need to break down that highest, hardest glass ceiling in American politics."

A prez that isn't a lying, partisan sack of waffling shit?

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 04 2014,11:06
I've < obviously > been living in a different reality the past couple months.
QUOTE
Poland and former Soviet states "will never stand alone," Obama said. "These are not just words. They are unbreakable commitments backed by the strongest alliance in the world and by the armed forces of the United States of America -- the most powerful military in history."

Go fuck yourself, you lying bitch.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 04 2014,11:15
< 25% > of suckers that signed up with healthcare.gov have some ... problems.
QUOTE
Julie Bataille, communications coordinator for the health care rollout, said most of the discrepancies appear to be due to outdated information in government files -- and the "vast majority" of cases are being resolved in favor of consumers. The government is making an all-out effort to reach those with discrepancies, which officials have termed "inconsistencies."

Awesome.

QUOTE
The HHS document provided to AP, dated May 8, describes a laborious effort to try to resolve the data problems, largely requiring hands-on work from a legion of workers employed by government contractor Serco, Inc.

Even more awesome that we're using this "technology" thing to solve our information problems.



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 05 2014,10:08
< How much has America changed > since back in the day?  We're advising someone not to break away from the UK.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 05 2014,10:35

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 05 2014,13:35
< CBO drops claims about Obamacare reducing the deficit. >

I still find it hilarious that a government agency legit claimed that increasing spending on something with no financial return would reduce the deficit, and people believed it.

Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 05 2014,13:53
The CBO has long been a primo source for top grade horse shit.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 05 2014,14:14
Democrat:  I am starting to think Obama might either be stupid, or a liar.

Me: what was your 73rd clue?

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 05 2014,15:10
QUOTE
As the Roll Call story noted, the CBO based its original estimate of long term deficit reduction on the assumption that the new law – including hundreds of billions of dollars of Medicare cuts and tax increases to finance insurance subsidies—would be implemented as written.

That was before a blizzard of administrative changes, delays in deadlines for implementation and an important 2012 Supreme Court ruling upholding the law but granting states the discretion to opt out of a new expansion of the Medicaid program.

Awesome.



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 11 2014,10:19
< Chuck Hagel > defies all logic.
QUOTE
A defiant Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on Wednesday defended the prisoner exchange that brought the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl after years of captivity with the Taliban, telling skeptical lawmakers that the operation had needed to be kept secret from Congress to ensure that the soldier was not killed by his captors in the days leading up to the swap.

Wait ... what?  You wanted to keep the swap under wraps so the terrorists you're negotiating with don't kill the dude they're trading?  Did they fucking want their 5 captives back?  What incentive would Tailban have to kill the dude after knowing he has real, tangible value?

Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 11 2014,11:15
QUOTE
...the operation had needed to be kept secret from Congress to ensure that the soldier was not killed by his captors in the days leading up to the swap.

Is he saying some members of Congress were likely to call up the Taliban and tell them?

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 11 2014,12:35
< Your next prez >.
QUOTE
“Without compromise, you don’t have a democracy,” Clinton said. “You have people who believe that it’s their way or the highway. You have people who point fingers at anybody who deviates one small inch from what the perfect is, who think they have a direct line to the divine. And that is not the way a democracy works. That’s a theocracy, that’s an autocracy. That’s not a democracy.”

First off, democracy != compromise.  Secondly, it is a miracle that a tear in timespace wasn't created in that room due to the intense pressures generated by all the irony.  I suspect the force could have instantaneously turned graphite into diamond.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 12 2014,10:42
< More fun with Obamacare and Medicaid >.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 17 2014,13:11
< Record number of people giving up their U.S. citizenship. >
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 17 2014,14:10
QUOTE
At the same time, Mr. Mazur said, Treasury needs to "maintain a balance between enforcement efforts and equity, including the burdens that may be placed on taxpayers."

Mr. Mazur said Treasury was looking into how best to work with Congress and the IRS to fine-tune the system: "You can always improve."


1) The IRS is not renown for its understanding nature.  If it TSA didn't exist, everyone would still hate the IRS more.

2) The US gov't has proven time and time again that they are not to be trusted when calculating how much cash you owe them.  They will not improve, they do not improve, they have no interest to improve, nor motivation.

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 18 2014,07:23

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 19 2014,10:07
< Biden makes > one of the most "I want to smack you in the fucking face" statements in awhile, even for him.
QUOTE
“One of the fastest ways to accelerate the closure of Guantánamo is for other countries to agree, in a responsible manner, to receive detainees,” Biden told the paper.

Fuck and you, Joe.  That lightning from the heavens didn't strike you down is a sure sign there is no god, or if there is he's got no idea what "hypocrisy" is.



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 19 2014,12:30
< Why numbers !=  food eaten >.
QUOTE
Obama’s Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act drew overwhelming support when it was introduced in 2010. But a small percentage of schools said they were struggling to implement the new dietary requirements, claiming menu items rich in whole grains, fruits and vegetables were more expensive and less appetizing to students.
...
“School Nutrition Association does not want to gut the current standards. Our members simply want relief from some of the onerous regulations slated to take effect this summer, which will lead to fewer students receiving healthy school meals, more food being thrown away and many school meal programs in financial straits,” Montague added.

Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 19 2014,12:41
I know that when I'm a hungry poor kid and I'm given the choice between eating unhealthy and not eating anything at all, I choose the latter.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 19 2014,12:41
I've already shared my anecdote that kids don't eat the healthier food, throw it away, and are thus more hungry in the afternoons than they would ordinarily be.

These people are fucking retarded.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 23 2014,10:16
< Oh my > < fucking god >.  Yeah, when I think of the rich and well-off, I'd leave both them off my list.
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 23 2014,11:25
QUOTE
...and we've done it through dint of hard work.

You didn't build that.  Just ask Obama.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 24 2014,09:58
< IRS broke the law >.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 24 2014,10:27
Ah, so some IT guys are going to jail instead of the people who actually did evil shit.
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 24 2014,11:01
QUOTE
Lerner herself twice has refused to answer questions before Congress...

What the fuck?  Look, I understand that as a citizen it is within her right to refuse to testify.  But as a government employee this action should require immediate dismissal.  You can invoke your fifth amendment right without admitting to guilt, but the cost is to lose your job and stop suckling off the public tit.  That's the way it should be.

Then give the job to someone else that is willing to answer to the People.



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 25 2014,13:47
< Transparency >.
QUOTE
Speaking Tuesday at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C., Microsoft General Counsel Brad Smith (pictured) said that the uber-secretive court's operating "is not the type of approach that is likely to promote justice."

When MS calls you "uber-secretive" it's time to have a look at yourself in the mirror.

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 25 2014,13:49
All mirrors were banned from the Obama White House.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 25 2014,15:59
Economy shrinking.

< http://www.foxnews.com/us....estnews >

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 25 2014,16:36
EPA is getting investigated.  Claims relevant emails were lost in a hard drive crash.

< http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy....0140625 >

It seems the leading cause of hard drive crashes these days is to get subpoenaed.

Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 25 2014,18:27
Say, I bet the NSA has copies of all these missing emails for them.

They've got everyone else's, after all.



Posted by GORDON on Jun. 25 2014,18:38
Isn't the NSA under the executive branch?  Well then the NSA had a hard drive crash and lost the relevant emails.  We can do this all day.

Now... someone tell me Obama isn't dirtier than Nixon.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 25 2014,19:05
QUOTE
Now... someone tell me Obama isn't dirtier than Nixon.

Only due to the technicality that Nixon didn't have access to all the toys B. Rock does.  Nixon and J. Edgar Hoover would've positively shit themselves with glee given today's intelligence gathering capabilities.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 26 2014,10:36
< Supreme Court > lays the smackdown on B. Rock's administration, again.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2014,08:00
The IRS seems to be the place to be to get IT contracts and not deliver.  They spent $4.4 billion the last few years on IT infrastructure.  Lots of it on data storage.

< http://freebeacon.com/issues/irs-spent-4-4-billion-on-it/ >

I wonder if "sry hard drive crashed" is going to fly if I get audited.  I mean, there's a precedent, now.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 27 2014,08:06
Dare you to try.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2014,08:08

(Malcolm @ Jun. 27 2014,11:06)
QUOTE
Dare you to try.

The auditor would probably find it hilarious and would not at all be vindictive, because the IRS isn't like that and are totally professional.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2014,08:13
They're all "phony scandals."

< http://cnsnews.com/news....candals >

I think there's a significant chance he actually believes this.  I sometimes wonder how thick are the walls of the bubble in which he lives.  It is hard to believe the guy could be as completely evil and/or stupid as he seems lately... it is easier to believe the evil and stupidity is coming from the cuts of a thousand different knives all getting a little piece for themselves, and they don't let him watch the news, as he says himself in this article.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 27 2014,08:37
Ah yeah, that asshole managed to shut down a highway right around the time I wanted to drive on it.  Fuck him and his motorcade.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2014,11:00
He shut down the White House tours as a symbolic "go fuck yourself, citizen" during the sequester on the date we had a tour scheduled.  Background checks had already been done, it was already paid for.  He basically told my kid "go fuck yourself."

As for the barriers he had erected around the monuments and shit, they just went around those.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 27 2014,12:05
< Step up pandering levels to maximum >.
QUOTE
Obama has been trying to break out of the usual White House routine and show voters he understands their concerns. While in Minneapolis, he met with two people who wrote to him and ate a hamburger with a young woman struggling to pay her bills.

B. Rock, friend of the common man.

QUOTE
U.S. President Barack Obama on Friday blasted House Republicans who have threatened to sue him for issuing executive orders to implement policies that would have a hard time passing in the Republican-controlled chamber of Congress.

"They don't do anything except block me and call me names," Obama said in an economic speech that concluded a two-day visit to Minnesota.


Allow me to respond with what I believe to be a couple < relevant > < quotes >.
QUOTE
Come down.  Get off your fucking cross.  We need the fucking space to nail the next fool martyr.


QUOTE
But you're staring at me like I need to be saved, in your Jesus Christ pose.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 30 2014,10:04
< N. Korea makes > B. Rock's admin look like the pussies they are.  But just so I'm not putting the blame entirely on the gov't:
QUOTE
"Jeffrey loves to travel and loves the adventure of experiencing different cultures and seeing new places," said a statement from Fowle's family lawyer, released in early June.

Fucking seriously, Flanders?



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 30 2014,10:13
< B. Rock > appoints the next loser who will be responsible for shitty VA health care.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 30 2014,12:17
QUOTE
Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., and Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, who runs the Senate's health committee, said they are working to craft a legislative response.
...
"Your health care decisions are not your boss's business – period," Murray said. "Since the Supreme Court decided it will not protect women's access to health care, I will."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 30 2014,12:18
< And fuck your legislative authority >.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 30 2014,12:46

(Malcolm @ Jun. 30 2014,15:17)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., and Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, who runs the Senate's health committee, said they are working to craft a legislative response.
...
"Your health care decisions are not your boss's business – period," Murray said. "Since the Supreme Court decided it will not protect women's access to health care, I will."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Umm... isn't legislation what led to today?
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 30 2014,12:49

(TheCatt @ Jun. 30 2014,14:46)
QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Jun. 30 2014,15:17)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., and Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, who runs the Senate's health committee, said they are working to craft a legislative response.
...
"Your health care decisions are not your boss's business – period," Murray said. "Since the Supreme Court decided it will not protect women's access to health care, I will."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Umm... isn't legislation what led to today?

Of course not.  Not enough legislation is what led to today.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 02 2014,07:58
The old poll with "How will Obama be remembered" is now looking like a firm "Worse than Jimmy Carter."

< http://www.usatoday.com/story....1985837 >

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 02 2014,09:24

(GORDON @ Jul. 02 2014,09:58)
QUOTE
The old poll with "How will Obama be remembered" is now looking like a firm "Worse than Jimmy Carter."

< http://www.usatoday.com/story....1985837 >

Wow.  5% lower than Dubyuh.
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 02 2014,09:42
Those polls are always worse while the person is president than after.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 02 2014,10:19
Obama-appointed investigation panel: < NSA internet surveillance under Obama is totally cool >.  No shit.

QUOTE
David Medine, a former government privacy lawyer who chairs the board, said NSA's Internet surveillance was found to have been "valuable and effective for protecting the national security and producing foreign intelligence information."

Bull fucking shit.  Your intelligence has been doing wonders throughout Iraq, Ukraine, Libya, and a host of other places.  Also did great work stopping that Boston Marathon bombing team.  And all those school shootings.

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 02 2014,12:18

(TheCatt @ Jul. 02 2014,12:42)
QUOTE
Those polls are always worse while the person is president than after.

So true.

Although, it's still pretty interesting considering how Bush was crucified in the MSM versus the treatment Obama gets.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 03 2014,10:16
< Going for worst prez in history >.
QUOTE
President Barack Obama on Wednesday said that “further reforms” of Wall Street are needed, arguing that there remains too much focus on making profits through big banks’ trading desks as opposed to investing in companies and the “real” economy.

Whenever I see "real" used in quotes, it reminds me of OJ's quest to find the "real" killer, i.e. bullshit.

QUOTE
“Right now, if you are in one of the big banks, the profit center is the trading desk, and you can generate a huge amount of bonuses by making some big bets; you will be rewarded on the upside,” he said in the interview, a transcript of which was published on the program’s website. “If you make a really bad bet, a lot of times you’ve already banked all your bonuses. You might end up leaving the shop, but in the meantime everybody else is left holding the bag.

Odd.  With a few tiny grammatical adjustments, that's the same way I feel about DC, Congress, and the White House.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 06 2014,18:40
< The idiocy > is so thick, you have to scrape it off the fucking walls.

QUOTE
House Speaker John Boehner doesn't take "lightly" his decision to file a lawsuit against President Obama's executive actions, the Ohio Republican insisted in a Sunday editorial, offering little more rationale for his extraordinary spin on checks and balances than the president's "flippant dismissal of the Constitution we are both sworn to defend."

Yeah, only Congress can butcher the Constitution.

QUOTE
he president, for his part, has embraced the lawsuit as a punch line to thrill crowds at his rallies. On Tuesday at an event promoting infrastructure legislation currently stalled on Capitol Hill, Mr. Obama mocked the GOP, saying, "Middle-class families can't wait for Republicans in Congress to do stuff... so, sue me."

"As long as they're doing nothing, I'm not going to apologize for trying to do something," the president said.

Fucking a rocket engine as it ignites is doing something, too.

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 07 2014,08:00
Columnist notorious for using the N word, < writes a column calling Obama the N word in the title >. The article is, of course, all about how far right folks hate Obama because he's black.
Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 07 2014,08:09
If the title was a direct quote from whomever he was interviewing, then fine.  But if not then he's being an ass.
Posted by Vince on Jul. 07 2014,09:07

(Leisher @ Jul. 07 2014,10:00)
QUOTE
Columnist notorious for using the N word, < writes a column calling Obama the N word in the title >. The article is, of course, all about how far right folks hate Obama because he's black.

The problem is that they can't find a mainstream Tea Party member or high profile Republican to actually use the word, so this guy will just be helpful and use the word in their stead and blame them for it.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2014,09:45

(Vince @ Jul. 07 2014,11:07)
QUOTE

(Leisher @ Jul. 07 2014,10:00)
QUOTE
Columnist notorious for using the N word, < writes a column calling Obama the N word in the title >. The article is, of course, all about how far right folks hate Obama because he's black.

The problem is that they can't find a mainstream Tea Party member or high profile Republican to actually use the word, so this guy will just be helpful and use the word in their stead and blame them for it.

How about < this one >?

QUOTE
Young issued a statement later that day saying that he "meant no disrespect" and that he "used a term that was commonly used during my days growing up on a farm in central California".  The Associated Press said that while Rep. Young explained his statement, he "did not apologize."


QUOTE
Young is the dean of the Alaskan congressional delegation, the fourth most senior U.S. Representative and the most senior Republican Representative.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2014,10:11
< Is this really that hard >?  Pay them less like shit.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2014,10:13
< 6-3. >
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 07 2014,10:23

(Malcolm @ Jul. 07 2014,13:11)
QUOTE
< Is this really that hard >?  Pay them less like shit.

I don't think that's the only concern the teachers might have at lower income schools.

I know quite a few teachers, including one principal, and the most common complaint I hear is about parents who don't give a fuck and disrespectful kids. Two things that are less common in suburban schools.

There's also the safety and security aspect.

I don't hear any of them saying they want to work in urban schools, but they sure do sound happy when they get jobs in suburban schools.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2014,10:26
He's only talking about the shitty teacher aspect.  I'll certainly agree to those other statements, but those almost have to be addressed outside the classroom.
Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 07 2014,11:02
The solution to that is simple: treat public schooling as a privilege rather than a right - and also as an educational institution instead of a baby-sitting service.  Kid being a little shit in class all the time?  They get thrown out of school.  Go find something else for them to do with their time, because they are no longer welcome there.

Of course there must be some checks and balances to avoid shitty administration persecuting kids, but those details can be worked out.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2014,11:08
QUOTE
Go find something else for them to do with their time, because they are no longer welcome there.

Awesome, you've just injected future criminals with motivation into society.

Posted by Vince on Jul. 07 2014,11:11

(Malcolm @ Jul. 07 2014,13:08)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Go find something else for them to do with their time, because they are no longer welcome there.

Awesome, you've just injected future criminals with motivation into society.

The schools are already churning those out.  TPR's answer at least has the benefit of not dragging down the kids that WANT to be there in school.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2014,11:13

(Vince @ Jul. 07 2014,13:11)
QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Jul. 07 2014,13:08)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Go find something else for them to do with their time, because they are no longer welcome there.

Awesome, you've just injected future criminals with motivation into society.

The schools are already churning those out.  TPR's answer at least has the benefit of not dragging down the kids that WANT to be there in school.

His answer would increase the number.  By lots.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 07 2014,11:43
No reason there can't be a "second tier" school for the kids who can't behave.

You could even give them a three strikes sort of system in the normal schools. Hit that third strike, and it's down to the minors.

Want to get back up? Get the grades and maintain good behavior.

Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 07 2014,11:45
Not at all.  Those going that way were already headed that way, this would just get them started sooner.

And maybe if having to figure out what to do with the kids while they were at work were a real possibility, the parents would pay more attention before it got that far.

QUOTE
No reason there can't be a "second tier" school for the kids who can't behave.

True.  We could call it, like, The Prison School for Future Assholes.



Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2014,12:29
QUOTE
Those going that way were already headed that way, this would just get them started sooner.

This society doesn't have the balls to implement a "3 strikes" rule for school.  It also needs to be something considerably more harsh than taking away their educational possibilities, which means almost nothing to most kids.  Think no GED/diploma means no driver's license, and you're getting closer.

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Get the grades and maintain good behavior.

Those are two separate issues and I would tackle them individually.

QUOTE
...the most common complaint I hear is about parents who don't give a fuck and disrespectful kids.

I believe we're more focused on the assholes than the slow learners.  The latter may be able to get along with society.

QUOTE
And maybe if having to figure out what to do with the kids while they were at work were a real possibility, the parents would pay more attention before it got that far.

Not a fucking chance.

QUOTE
True.  We could call it, like, The Prison School for Future Assholes.

You may as well give up on them at that point and make them janitors for life.

Posted by GORDON on Jul. 07 2014,12:30

(Malcolm @ Jul. 07 2014,14:13)
QUOTE

(Vince @ Jul. 07 2014,13:11)
QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Jul. 07 2014,13:08)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Go find something else for them to do with their time, because they are no longer welcome there.

Awesome, you've just injected future criminals with motivation into society.

The schools are already churning those out.  TPR's answer at least has the benefit of not dragging down the kids that WANT to be there in school.

His answer would increase the number.  By lots.

His answer also reduces the number of useless, worthless shitheads in school by lots.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2014,12:36
QUOTE
His answer also reduces the number of useless, worthless shitheads in school by lots.

At what point is it cheaper and more effective to cut ties with delinquents and turn them loose as opposed to continuing the attempts to drill a sense of usefulness into them?  I'd argue rarely.  The job of a school is to reduce the number of useless, worthless shitheads.  Booting them out into the world might solve a short-term problem or two but only at the cost of greater future problems.

Posted by GORDON on Jul. 07 2014,12:50

(Malcolm @ Jul. 07 2014,15:36)
QUOTE
QUOTE
His answer also reduces the number of useless, worthless shitheads in school by lots.

At what point is it cheaper and more effective to cut ties with delinquents and turn them loose as opposed to continuing the attempts to drill a sense of usefulness into them?  I'd argue rarely.  The job of a school is to reduce the number of useless, worthless shitheads.  Booting them out into the world might solve a short-term problem or two but only at the cost of greater future problems.

Paging TPR.  I don't want to steal his line.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 07 2014,12:56
QUOTE
Those are two separate issues and I would tackle them individually.


No. We'll keep a D average kid with good behavior in the school for kids who want futures, but if a kid maintains an A average yet is violent towards his classmates, fuck him.

QUOTE
I believe we're more focused on the assholes than the slow learners.


That's how things currently run. Look around. We do everything for the lowest common denominator. It's bullshit.

Instead of putting the bar for anything where the average person should be able to reach it, we set it as low as possible.

We teach to the morons instead of the average.

We drag everyone else down so that we don't alienate the dregs of society.

We need to stop doing that shit. If people are assholes, stop treating them like society just doesn't understand them. Treat them like the assholes they are, and force them to change. Don't force the rest of us to change to accommodate their asshole ways.

QUOTE
You may as well give up on them at that point and make them janitors for life.


The world needs ditch diggers too. We need to stop pretending like you've failed at life if that's all you achieve.

Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 07 2014,13:09
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The job of a school is to reduce the number of useless, worthless shitheads.

No, only parents have a hope of doing that.  The job of schools is to educate those that are willing to be educated.  No more than that is possible.

QUOTE
Paging TPR.  I don't want to steal his line.

Oh, right.

biofuel

Posted by Vince on Jul. 07 2014,13:12

(Malcolm @ Jul. 07 2014,14:36)
QUOTE
QUOTE
His answer also reduces the number of useless, worthless shitheads in school by lots.

At what point is it cheaper and more effective to cut ties with delinquents and turn them loose as opposed to continuing the attempts to drill a sense of usefulness into them?  I'd argue rarely.  The job of a school is to reduce the number of useless, worthless shitheads.  Booting them out into the world might solve a short-term problem or two but only at the cost of greater future problems.

But how many useless assholes is your method creating by bringing down the entire system because it's filled with too may useless assholes already.  You seem to think keeping useless asshioles surrounded by decent people will make the assholes into decent people.  It doesn't work that way.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2014,13:17
QUOTE
Treat them like the assholes they are, and force them to change.

Are you assuming the street is just going to swallow them up and erase them from existence?

QUOTE
The world needs ditch diggers too.  We need to stop pretending like you've failed at life if that's all you achieve.

Good luck selling that story.  The world needs ditch diggers until the Digger 2000 comes out and creates more ditches in a day than 100 workers.  In that case, the world needs Digger 2000 manufacturers and operators.

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 07 2014,13:17
QUOTE
You seem to think keeping useless asshioles surrounded by decent people will make the assholes into decent people.  It doesn't work that way.


Government housing has proven that.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2014,13:18
Fine.  All the losers get shoved somewhere out of the hair of everyone else.  Hello, Escape from New York.
Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 07 2014,13:31
That works.
Posted by Vince on Jul. 07 2014,13:32
I hope losers stop being losers and are able to make something of themselves.  In the meantime, I want losers to stop dragging down everyone else that happens to share a classroom with them.  There is nothing virtuous about turning 80% of kids into losers because your trying to change the 20%.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2014,13:34

(Vince @ Jul. 07 2014,15:32)
QUOTE
I hope losers stop being losers and are able to make something of themselves.  In the meantime, I want losers to stop dragging down everyone else that happens to share a classroom with them.  There is nothing virtuous about turning 80% of kids into losers because your trying to change the 20%.

If idiots abound in the world, how does sequestering them off from non-idiots during school help the latter deal with the former in the real world?
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 07 2014,13:36
Castrate them to gentle them, brand an "I" into their foreheads, and treat them like the second class citizens they were born to be.
Posted by Vince on Jul. 07 2014,13:50

(Malcolm @ Jul. 07 2014,15:34)
QUOTE

(Vince @ Jul. 07 2014,15:32)
QUOTE
I hope losers stop being losers and are able to make something of themselves.  In the meantime, I want losers to stop dragging down everyone else that happens to share a classroom with them.  There is nothing virtuous about turning 80% of kids into losers because your trying to change the 20%.

If idiots abound in the world, how does sequestering them off from non-idiots during school help the latter deal with the former in the real world?

LOL!  Hello graduate.  I know you are completely unable to read your diploma due to the fact that a handful of complete fuck-up idiots made it impossible to teach anything in the classroom while you were here, but on the up side you will totally be able to converse and relate to said fuck-up idiots as you serve up fries together at McDonalds in you future career path.

Brilliant.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2014,13:55
Most of what I learned in school wasn't in the classroom directly.  It was time spent outside of class going over it that made a difference.
Posted by Vince on Jul. 07 2014,14:50
Okay, if what you were doing outside the classroom is where you received most of your benefit in education, I'm having some trouble following your justification for not wanting to keep the troublemakers out of the classroom.  Let them pick up their lessons and go home with them to work on it away from everyone else that isn't being a disruption.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2014,15:25
No.  The opposite.  I want to make the the < NED >s have a mandatory educational experience that gets progressively less and less subtle and free as their behaviour gets worse.  I mean fucking mandatory.  As in, "Someone's making sure your ass doesn't become a substantial drain on society" half a notch above boarding/military school.  Checking out isn't an option because then you're not being watched and fuck knows what you get into.

The Ralph Wiggums of the world (not NEDs but not the brightest of the bunch) get separated out from the NEDs as much as fucking possible.  We'll say whoever's not a Wiggum or NED is "normal."  Wiggums can mix with the normals and might even benefit from the experience.  NEDs poison things wherever they go.  They are liabilities.  Be prepared to make the effort to drag them back into society, kicking and screaming if necessary, because "wherever" extends to outside the school yard.

The better you do in school and the less of a dick you are, the more I'm inclined to give you freedom to run your own shit.  Get a 4.0?  Sweet, you get a couple extra days off this year.  I despise using schooling as a measuring stick for these things, but if you're going there, may as well.



Posted by GORDON on Jul. 07 2014,16:41
I'm not even sure what you're disagreeing about.  We're saying to get the neds out of public school.  You're saying get the neds out of public school.


Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 07 2014,17:39

(GORDON @ Jul. 07 2014,18:41)
QUOTE
I'm not even sure what you're disagreeing about.  We're saying to get the neds out of public school.  You're saying get the neds out of public school.

Again, quite the contrary.  I'm saying they need to be kept IN public school, just different kinds of schools than Wiggums and normals.  Places where ditch digging could be a work study and they excavate and fill the same holes every day.  Places run by R. Lee Ermey clones on steroids.  Introduce them to the economic possibilities of menial labour.  They probably aren't ever getting a PhD, but maybe it'll motivate them to move above being a wastoid.  

I address the following section to NEDs, not the physically/mentally handicapped.  The goal needs to be a confident "yes" to the question of, "Are you capable of getting your shit in order in life in general and taking care of yourself?"  If you can't convince me you got a way of making a living out in the real world, then I'm assuming you'll become a problem to others once your parent's/sister's/friend's couch asserts its authority and kicks you off itself, and I'm going to lean towards "no."  Fuck forbid you marrying anyone or having kids.  If your life ain't in order, thinking one of those two things will bring order is like taking your life savings to a roulette wheel, betting it all on 00, and calling it a retirement plan.  This is where you can hit people where they'll pay attention.  Take away their driving privs and various other things until they prove they deserve it.  If you wanted to get extremely evil, you could go with the suggestion of controlling the ability to marry, inherit/own property, or breed.

Previously, we'd let natural selection take its course.  This is no longer acceptable to mainstream society (aka, people who vote).

If their behaviour gets bad enough, they get perma-juvie status until they hit the age of majority.  Then they can get promoted to prison if they continue to be dicks.  But they aren't getting kicked out into the world if everyone's 99% sure they're going to be a fucking problem.



Posted by GORDON on Jul. 07 2014,17:50
Semantics.  You win.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 08 2014,11:10
< Obamacare about to be killed in court? >
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 08 2014,11:14

(Leisher @ Jul. 08 2014,13:10)
QUOTE
< Obamacare about to be killed in court? >

QUOTE
Why didn’t Obamacare opponents in Congress key in on this when the law was being implemented late last year and early this year?

Doubt it.  As the article states, if the pachyderms found a legal kill switch, they'd have pulled it long ago.

Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 08 2014,11:33
This sort of problem is most damaging after the fact, so if they did find it I'm not surprised they didn't say anything.  If they had it could have been fixed.


Posted by GORDON on Jul. 08 2014,13:25

(Malcolm @ Jul. 08 2014,14:14)
QUOTE

(Leisher @ Jul. 08 2014,13:10)
QUOTE
< Obamacare about to be killed in court? >

QUOTE
Why didn’t Obamacare opponents in Congress key in on this when the law was being implemented late last year and early this year?

Doubt it.  As the article states, if the pachyderms found a legal kill switch, they'd have pulled it long ago.

Nobody had read the law before it was passed.  Pelosi said it herself.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 09 2014,10:43
< I can't make this up >.
Posted by Vince on Jul. 09 2014,13:04
Reid has mental problems
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 10 2014,10:12
< Remember when > Europe couldn't stop sucking B. Rock's cock?
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 10 2014,13:45

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 11 2014,10:24
Let's take a look at lies:

< In the past > and < now >.  The most transparent administration in history indeed.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 14 2014,10:20
< US asked for guarantee > of military support.  Wonder if Japan's talked to Ukraine lately.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 14 2014,10:32
< Obamacare is working >.  You know, the parts that have been implemented.
QUOTE
Unless you really, truly believe that the United States is a unique outlier to the laws of economics, there's very little reason to believe that national health care in America would fare any worse.

Fucking what?

Posted by GORDON on Jul. 14 2014,10:38
QUOTE


3. Given that prices in the individual insurance market already seem to have gone up 14-28 percent, and may go up more once political scrutiny of insurance companies lessens, what is the overall individual welfare calculation from this policy change?

Actually, prices will probably go up less in future years. The initial increase was a one-time response to the new requirements of the law, especially the addition of lots of sicker people to the


The fact that it was sold as cheaper makes this bullshit.  It would have lost scale-tipping support if it had been honestly sold as 14-28% more expensive.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2014,13:15
< White House > suddenly remembers Congress has a role in gov't.
QUOTE
"We believe in the goal of improving consumer choice for American families, including more vehicles that provide savings at the pump for consumers," special assistant to the president for energy and climate change, Dan Utech, wrote in a response to the petition last Friday. "However, we understand that pre-empting current state laws on direct-to-consumer auto sales would require an act of Congress."

As it stands, state laws protecting entrenched automakers like Ford, Honda and other industry leaders make it a state-by-state fight for Tesla to open dealerships.

Certainly no corruption here.  And fuck forbid we let the automakers abide by the same rules as every other industry and let their own incompetence and stupidity bury them ... because they're too big to fail.

QUOTE
Of the US government's 585-word response, just 61 of those words were dedicated to addressing the petition's request: for the US government to "allow Tesla Motors to sell directly to consumers in all 50 states." The rest of the response written by Utech focused on the Obama Administration's work in lowering vehicle emissions and supporting companies like Tesla (indeed, including Tesla) with loans.

Ah, so they'll lend out cash with interest but when it comes to helping them earn some directly...



Posted by Vince on Jul. 15 2014,14:09
I heard that after the batch of recalls the week before the 4th, GM has actually recalled more cars than they sold in the last 7 years.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2014,15:53
I guess I'll leave Ford out of it since they refused the cash, even though that company has produced some of the shittiest cars this side of Hot Wheels.

But fuck the rest of them, especially after they all came out with their "hey, we paid back our loans early" adverts.  I would've been impressed if you hadn't taken them.  I'd have been even more impressed if your dumb-ass biz practices didn't necessitate a multi-billion dollar external cash injection every couple decades.




Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 17 2014,10:45
< Time to play > that most exciting of things ... the Blame Game.
QUOTE
The Department of Veterans Affairs needs $17.6 billion in additional funds over the next three years to meet patients’ needs and fix the troubled agency’s problems, its acting director said Wednesday.

1) The VA medical system needs more cash.
2) The VA medical system's #1 problem isn't cash, it's the retarded, dumb-ass procedural bureaucracy that permeates every operational aspect.

QUOTE
But the request divided lawmakers. Democrats, including Sen. Jon Tester of Montana, supported the appeal, while Republicans, including Sen. Mike Johanns of Nebraska, questioned whether VA care would improve if it received additional funding.

1) Yeah.  Congress cares about the troops.  Really.  I can see the concern and sympathy from here.
2) Why is the issue of funding providing a significant difference never brought up in relation to < any > < other > < agency >?

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 18 2014,10:38
< The pro-environment prez >.
QUOTE
The U.S. Bureau of Ocean Energy and Management on Friday approved the use of controversial sonic cannons to discover oil and gas deposits under the ocean -- opening the Eastern seaboard to offshore oil exploration for the first time in decades, the Associated Press reported. The government estimates that the technology could harm nearly 140,000 sea creatures, including fish and endangered whales and sea turtles.

Funny how I don't hear the far left harping on him for this.

Posted by GORDON on Jul. 18 2014,10:57
A dollar says the research for that sonic cannon was started by Bush and therefor it is his fault.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 21 2014,10:03
< Incompetent endorsed by incompetent >.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 22 2014,10:33
< Appeals court > kills subsidies to Obamacare.  < More info >.


Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 23 2014,10:18
< Paging > Helen Lovejoy.
QUOTE
"The governor is acting beyond the scope of his powers under the state constitution," said Stephen Kupperman, attorney for the plaintiffs. "Ultimately, this is about the kids."

You lying sack of shit.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 24 2014,10:23
Today in DC news:

< Nice one, asshole. >

< Ted Cruz > goes for "dumbest motherfucker of the day" award.  < Joe Biden > one ups him.  < This dude > gets honourable mention.

< Another few million > Obamacare reprieves.

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 25 2014,11:45
< One of Obamacare's authors said years ago state exchange were needed for subsidies. >
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 25 2014,12:06

(Leisher @ Jul. 25 2014,13:45)
QUOTE
< One of Obamacare's authors said years ago state exchange were needed for subsidies. >

QUOTE
These days, Gruber says it’s “absurd” that Congress didn’t mean to apply the subsidies to federally-run exchange states as well.

He's also says that not including it in the initial wording is no reason not to pretend it's there.

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 25 2014,12:36
QUOTE
He's also says that not including it in the initial wording is no reason not to pretend it's there.


That's from the guy who wrote the LAW that is Obamacare.

You can't make this shit up.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2014,10:37
< Still blaming Congress >.
QUOTE
“How do we make sure we’ve got an economy that’s working for everybody?” Obama said. “Imagine how much further along we’d be if Congress was doing its job. … They haven’t been too helpful. They haven’t been as constructive as I would have hoped."


< No bias here >.
QUOTE
In the email exchange, Lerner appears to be chatting with another unidentified individual about a vacation in Great Britain. She describes how she overheard “some ladies” talking about how America is “going down the tubes.”

The person she tells this to responds that “you should hear the whacko wing of the GOP. The US is through; too many foreigners sucking the teat; time to hunker down, buy ammo and food, and prepare for the end. The right wing radio shows are scary to listen to.”

Lerner responds: “Great. Maybe we are through if there are that many ---holes.”



Posted by Leisher on Jul. 30 2014,10:44
Lerner's a cunt.

As for Obama, I don't know how anyone can say he lied. He is clearly running the most transparent presidency in history and has united us all.

Kumbayah!

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2014,11:01
< Remember how > Obama switched up the contracting firm and blamed them for the health care website fuck up?
QUOTE
The news service says the report, due out Thursday from the Government Accountability Office, blames officials at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services with constantly changing marching orders for the contractors who built the system. That led to confusion and millions of dollars in additional costs, AP says.

Posted by GORDON on Jul. 31 2014,07:49
Cost of Obamacare website creeping up on a billion dollars.

< http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-....0140730 >

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 01 2014,10:24
< Go in > and take him and the other two.  Fuck diplomacy.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 01 2014,11:30
The hypocrisy of Congress: < When some intelligence agency > breaks into their shit ...
QUOTE
worse than criminal


Funny how I didn't hear this outrage during all the times Congress decided to approve more funding for more covert wiretapping programs.

Posted by Leisher on Aug. 05 2014,08:41
< Don't believe the hype about the economy turning around. >
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 05 2014,09:13
Probably because we don't use enough technology to teach our future generations.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 06 2014,10:10
< Two-star general >.  KIA.
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 08 2014,07:05
< Obama: we support our allies >

QUOTE

"We do whatever is necessary to protect our people," Obama said, adding, "We support our allies when they're in danger."


Guess Ukraine isn't an ally.



Posted by Vince on Aug. 08 2014,07:20
It's hard to tell who are allies are any more looking at who we do and do not give aid to.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 08 2014,10:05
< Motherfucking Republican > White House is getting us back into international conflicts again.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 15 2014,06:15

(GORDON @ Jul. 31 2014,10:49)
QUOTE
Cost of Obamacare website creeping up on a billion dollars.

< http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-....0140730 >

Billion.

< http://it.slashdot.org/story....website >

Posted by Leisher on Aug. 18 2014,11:51
< James Risen, Pulitzer prize winning reporter for the NYT, on Obama. >
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 22 2014,15:53

(GORDON @ Aug. 15 2014,08:15)
QUOTE

(GORDON @ Jul. 31 2014,10:49)
QUOTE
Cost of Obamacare website creeping up on a billion dollars.

< http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-....0140730 >

Billion.

< http://it.slashdot.org/story....website >

Will be in the Guinness Book of World Records.  For a billion dollars, I could make a website that'd actually blow you.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 22 2014,15:55
QUOTE
Over 100,000 people have signed a petition demanding that the government stop all legal action against Risen.

There's that 100K rule again.

Posted by Leisher on Aug. 24 2014,11:41
FOX News piece on Obama pulling troops out of Iraq. You only need to watch the first 1:31. Has any president, or any politician for that matter, been caught saying two different things as much as Barry?


Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 29 2014,11:09
White house vehemently defends < fashion choices >.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 29 2014,13:13
< Don't have a strategy yet >.
QUOTE
The U.S. has carried out airstrikes against ISIS in northern Iraq and the president has been considering similar strikes in Syria. Obama indicated that such strikes were not imminent, saying “we don't have a strategy yet.”


Oh yeah, he's < punting > on immigration as well.



Posted by GORDON on Aug. 29 2014,13:27

(Malcolm @ Aug. 29 2014,16:13)
QUOTE
< Don't have a strategy yet >.
QUOTE
The U.S. has carried out airstrikes against ISIS in northern Iraq and the president has been considering similar strikes in Syria. Obama indicated that such strikes were not imminent, saying “we don't have a strategy yet.”


Oh yeah, he's < punting > on immigration as well.

Someone at the Pentagon was quoted as saying, "ISIS definitely heard that."

Racist.

Posted by GORDON on Aug. 30 2014,17:01
The Obama Justice Department requiring public schools to enroll middle aged illegal immigrants as students.

< http://cnsnews.com/news....schools >

QUOTE
In May, the Department of Justice issued a statement to public schools reminding them that they are legally required to enroll all children, regardless of their immigration status.

...

“One example: the woman who answered [the] door said, ‘He’s 35 years old -- he’s not going to show up at school....But we cannot, per DOJ guidelines, we cannot ask them for any more verification of age,” Kennedy said.

Posted by Vince on Aug. 31 2014,06:53
Wasn't opening of the borders one of the last things Rome did bas they were falling?
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 31 2014,09:16

(Vince @ Aug. 31 2014,08:53)
QUOTE
Wasn't opening of the borders one of the last things Rome did bas they were falling?

Even if you can define which half of the empire you're talking about and precisely what "fall" means, no.  Their borders got forced open when they couldn't field enough legions to stop the local barbarians from encroaching on Roman territory.  Those local tribes were running the fuck away from even less friendly invaders.

As a bonus, some of those dudes ended up saving Rome's ass until the western rulers finally insulted them one too many times by refusing to integrate them as full citizens.  Then the locals sacked the fuck out of Rome a time or two.  By setting up a system where naturalized citizens were continually viewed as second-class even after honourable military service, the Roman power structure became increasingly inbred, incompetent, and incapable, all in the name of keeping the high-class bloodlines "pure."



Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 02 2014,15:49
< Still no plan >.  Even hacks like Bush the Greater would've mobilized NATO by now.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 03 2014,11:34
< We won't tolerate > this Ukraine thing.  Well ... unless we have to go and physically do something about it.  Fuck that.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 03 2014,12:31
< Well, sort of >.  Pretty sure there are 3 dudes rotting in a North Korean jail who'd argue.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 09 2014,11:53
< Someone tell > Cheney to stfu.
Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 09 2014,12:02
We should have just kept Iraq.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 09 2014,12:12
Fuck... at this point let ISIS take over and consolidate, then when they have all their shit together in nice piles we can blow it the hell up.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 12 2014,08:39
< Deportation is at a 7 year low. >
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 16 2014,09:54

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 16 2014,10:42
< The plan >, sort of.
QUOTE
The United States is not preparing to unleash a "shock and awe" campaign of overwhelming airstrikes in Syria against Islamic State fighters and instead envisions a more modest, longer-term campaign, Pentagon officials told Congress on Tuesday.
...
A vote in the U.S. House of Representatives could take place this week on Obama's request for $500 million to arm and train moderate Syrian rebels, one part of his program.

Hagel said those funds would allow the training of more than 5,000 Syrian fighters in the first year, but he acknowledged that would only be a step in turning the tide against Islamic State fighters.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 16 2014,12:01
"...and instead envisions a more modest, longer-term campaign..."

Oh good, an open-ended war.

Posted by GORDON on Sep. 17 2014,05:36
A billion spent and still not done: obamacare website.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....estnews >

Have any of you actually put any personal info into that piece of shit?

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 17 2014,08:06
That website is proof that the MSM is either completely incompetent or biased/working directly for the government.

Who the fuck spends $1,000,000,000 on a website?

Meanwhile, < ISIS is waving their dick at Obama. >

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 19 2014,11:10
< Months > before training can begin.  Suppose we'll bomb some sand until then.


Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 19 2014,11:37
< Must be election time again >.
QUOTE
Obama spoke Friday as the White House unveiled a new campaign to change the way people think about campus sexual assault.

No word on how.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 23 2014,11:10
Remember when Obama's election was supposed to repair our image?

< Prez of Iran >: fuck you.
< Prez of Afghanistan >: fuck you.
< Bombing the fuck out of non-ISIS targets >.

In other news, < Secret Service work sucks > and this Obama hater < gets probation >.



Posted by Leisher on Sep. 23 2014,12:01

(Malcolm @ Sep. 19 2014,14:37)
QUOTE
< Must be election time again >.
QUOTE
Obama spoke Friday as the White House unveiled a new campaign to change the way people think about campus sexual assault.

No word on how.

I didn't realize there were people "for" campus sexual assaults aside from the people committing the assault...
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 25 2014,09:27
< Eric Holder is resigning. >

Don't let the door hit you in your racist ass.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 25 2014,09:34
QUOTE
“Holder’s accomplishments have established a historic legacy of civil rights enforcement and restoring fairness to the criminal justice system. Holder revitalized the department’s praised Civil Rights Division, protected the rights of the LGBT community, successfully prosecuted terrorists, and fought tirelessly for voting rights, to name a few,” the official said.

Fucking really?  That fucker deserves nothing but disdain and shame.  Fuck him.

Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 25 2014,11:06
< Iraq: > US subways targeted in terror attack.
< US >: Bullshit.



Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 25 2014,11:17
< Congress agrees > ... to do nothing.
QUOTE
Congress’ lame duck period is not the appropriate time to debate authorization for war against the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS), House Speaker John Boehner said in an interview published Thursday.

Ah, Boner, you thoroughly useless sack of shit.  Resign from your party so someone competent can take your place.  Hmm.  On second thought, I don't know who the fuck that would even be.



Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 25 2014,11:38
< More health care > fun.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 30 2014,13:15
< Connecticut state rep arrested for voter fraud. >

Anyone want to take a guess at her party affiliation? Here's a hint: Outside of FOX, no other media outlets seem to care about this story.

Posted by Vince on Sep. 30 2014,13:34
But voter ID laws are racist because there IS no voter fraud. (rolling eyes)
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 30 2014,13:40

(Leisher @ Sep. 30 2014,16:15)
QUOTE
< Connecticut state rep arrested for voter fraud. >

Anyone want to take a guess at her party affiliation? Here's a hint: Outside of FOX, no other media outlets seem to care about this story.

Not an issue... I am sure this is the only instance of it happening, again.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 30 2014,13:50
QUOTE
Anyone want to take a guess at her party affiliation?

Hah.  Nice try.  There are no women Republicans.  They declared war on them.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 01 2014,11:16
< Feds pissed > they can't snoop your smartphone because they're too fucking stupid to understand what "encrypted" means.
QUOTE
"Recent technological advances have the potential to greatly embolden online criminals, providing new methods for abusers to avoid detection," Holder said, adding: "Many take advantage of encryption and anonymizing technology to conceal contraband materials and disguise their locations."

When I think "criminals using electronics to take things from me illegally," I think "US government."

QUOTE
"We would hope that technology companies would be willing to work with us to ensure that law enforcement retains the ability, with court authorization, to lawfully obtain information in the course of an investigation, such as catching kidnappers and sexual predators," Holder said.

Someone, PLEASE, think of the children.  But wait, it gets better.

QUOTE
As Holder prepares to retire, a retired FBI chief was also compelled to speak up against Apple and Google's new mobile encryption. Ronald Hosko, who was assistant director of the FBI's Criminal Investigative Division before he retired, drafted an editorial for the Washington Post, asserting that a kidnapped man would have died if the offenders has been using the level of encryption Apple now offers.

Seriously, go fuck yourself.  Shove your dick up your own ass.

< Another take >.



Posted by GORDON on Oct. 01 2014,20:10
< Obama: If you like not having ebola, you can continue not having ebola. >
Posted by Vince on Oct. 02 2014,05:07
QUOTE
The chances of a U.S. epidemic are “incredibly low,” he said.


Was it about a week ago that Obama said the chances of a case hitting the US was pretty remote as well.  I hate our government.  When they aren't being evil, they're being inept.



Posted by GORDON on Oct. 02 2014,05:49
If the dude spread it to 0 or 1 person, probably not a big deal.

If he spread it to 2 or more, we're fucked.  It's already out there and incubating.  The next 3 weeks will tell the tale.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 02 2014,05:52
Zombie apocalypse on stand by.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 02 2014,05:55
Nah, what I wonder is when we enter lockdown, keeping the kid home from school and shit.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 02 2014,06:55

(GORDON @ Oct. 02 2014,07:55)
QUOTE
Nah, what I wonder is when we enter lockdown, keeping the kid home from school and shit.

I got some sick time I can use.  Bring it on.
Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 02 2014,06:55
Ebola is not a big threat like that, though.  It's hard to get and you aren't contagious until well into having full-blown symptoms.  That's two big strikes against wide-spread Ebola in any country with modern medical practices and a population that generally knows to avoid getting the blood and mucus of obviously very sick people on you.

The virus that will eventually get us is one that spread easily and has an incubation period during which it is already contagious.  Add that to a high mortality rate and we're all doomed.  Ebola ain't it, though.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 02 2014,07:00
Probably not.  But if it starts spreading, how long do you ignore it?
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 02 2014,07:03

(GORDON @ Oct. 02 2014,09:00)
QUOTE
Probably not.  But if it starts spreading, how long do you ignore it?

Until it hits DC.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 02 2014,07:05

(Malcolm @ Oct. 02 2014,10:03)
QUOTE

(GORDON @ Oct. 02 2014,09:00)
QUOTE
Probably not.  But if it starts spreading, how long do you ignore it?

Until it hits DC.

That's when you cheer.  But seriously, if we start getting reports from multiple cities, that means it has already spread further and we haven't heard yet.  When does one take steps.

And I don't think there's an actual answer to that.... "right as you need to."  Just saying.



Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 02 2014,07:24

(GORDON @ Oct. 02 2014,09:00)
QUOTE
Probably not.  But if it starts spreading, how long do you ignore it?

That's the whole point, in a first-world country like ours it isn't going to spread very much at all.  It only spreads so well in third-world countries because there are few doctors so families take care of each other and get each other sick because they don't know how to do so safely.  Here by the time someone is sick enough to spread the disease to others they'll already be in the hospital.  Only medical staff are in any real danger, and they're already taking all the proper precautions as default practice.

Getting Ebola is about as hard as getting HIV, except that you add in that the person you get Ebola from is also bleeding from every orifice so you are unlikely to be having sex with them at the time.

Posted by Vince on Oct. 02 2014,08:47

(TPRJones @ Oct. 02 2014,09:24)
QUOTE
That's the whole point, in a first-world country like ours it isn't going to spread very much at all.  It only spreads so well in third-world countries because there are few doctors so families take care of each other and get each other sick because they don't know how to do so safely.  Here by the time someone is sick enough to spread the disease to others they'll already be in the hospital.  Only medical staff are in any real danger, and they're already taking all the proper precautions as default practice.

Getting Ebola is about as hard as getting HIV, except that you add in that the person you get Ebola from is also bleeding from every orifice so you are unlikely to be having sex with them at the time.


All well and good except what?  Two or three US healthcare workers who know exactly NOT how to get it got it and had to be brought back here for treatment.  I never saw pictures of these doctors not being covered head to toe with eye protection to boot.

While what you're saying is true in that there are things working against the African villages that helps the spread there, there are also things working against us that they aren't dealing with over there.  The number one thing that's kept it contained in Africa is that the outbreaks tend to occur in villages where the people don't interact with a bunch of people on a daily basis and they don't commute to work miles and miles from their home every day.

If you'll notice, no one at the CDC has said you CAN'T get Ebola from someone before they're symptomatic, just that it's much less likely.  And the initial onset of symptoms present like the flu.  And how many times have coworkers come in to work with the onset of flu symptoms?

Call me jaded, but I don't trust the government to tell the truth about anything.  This included.

Here's where I stand.  When less than 10% of the 100 they are now monitoring for exposure go positive AND no one outside of that group of 100 pop positive, then I'll assume they have a handle on this.



Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 02 2014,09:03
Keep in mind that those US health workers working over there had to work with what they had in terms of supplies and whatnot.  As things were getting bad they probably had to start reusing gloves and taking some other shortcuts.  Shortcuts that wouldn't apply as often here where we've got plenty of supplies.

And yes it does start as flu, but even so you need to have direct contact with their fluids on your mucus membranes or in an open wound.  So it could spread a little, like with someone sneezing directly into someone else's face.  But it doesn't stay in a simple flu-like stage for very long before progressing to a point that would result in immediate hospitalization.  And it isn't airborne so that it doesn't linger and spread nearly as easily as flu.  As an infectious disease it's a bit of a failure, because it's too damaging too quickly to allow for time to spread through a reasonably hygienic population.

My point is your kids are far more likely to get run down by a car, but you still let them out of the house.  Worrying about Ebola is just silly in comparison.

Posted by Vince on Oct. 02 2014,09:05
I hope you're right.  We'll meet back in three weeks to discuss.

In the mean time, I'm coming up with a plan.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 02 2014,09:32
I keep pondering the unwillingness to restrict travel from west Africa.  I mean, yeah, most likely only a few people will get ebola because of it.  I'd be pretty pissed off if I was one of the unlucky ones.

What's the threshold?  How many would have to get ebola in the USA before your typical democrat decided that maybe the government made a mistake?



Posted by Vince on Oct. 02 2014,10:23
Political correctness will be the death of us.
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 02 2014,10:48
Whenever I play < Pandemic >, I hope the countries wait as long as possible before implementing travel embargoes.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 06 2014,12:11
< Need some military grade weapons >?  The US federal government has your back.  Oh wait ... you don't work for the government?  Then fuck you.  However, even if you work for the Department of Transportation, you, too, can get an automatic weapon.
QUOTE
And a spokesman for the Mississippi Department of Transportation says its seven M-14 rifles are never fired and used only as props during ceremonies.

Because the real guns are cheaper than non-firing replicas.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 07 2014,10:21
This is hilarious.

Biden says our buddies are < supporting the psychos >.  < Bullets say otherwise >.
QUOTE
A study of more than 1,700 shells fired by ISIS in the Kurdish regions of the two countries found that 20 per cent were manufactured in America.
...
Conflict Armament Research (CAR), which conducted the study, noted in its report: 'IS forces appear to have acquired a large part of their current arsenal from stocks seized from, or abandoned by, Iraqi defence and security forces.

HAHAHAHA.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 08 2014,11:13
< Crazy old man > calls out B. Rock.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 08 2014,12:50
Well.

He's hit and miss on the important stuff.

He still legalized home brewing so I forgive him a lot.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 09 2014,09:11
The "most transparent administration in this country's history" < probably helped cover up White House involvement in that Columbia prostitution scandal. >
Posted by Vince on Oct. 09 2014,11:07
The sad part of this is that there's nothing new here.  There were credible allegations back in '12, but since that was an election year and they didn't want to damage Obama and there wasn't this "secret service is imploding" meme, it didn't go anywhere.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 13 2014,10:56
< Obama sided with Wall Street >.  Says Democrat.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 13 2014,12:51
< Paul Krugman thinks Obama is one of the best presidents ever. >

His logic is flawed.

Sure Obama got a lot of what HE wanted done, but it was at the expense of the American people. He and the Dems from his first term pushed through a lot of shit that will be an anchor around this country's neck for decades.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 13 2014,14:31
I am wondering....

If you had one candidate whose entire platform was, "I hate niggers," and the other candidate's entire platform was, "I hate crackers," and this is ALL either candidate ever said, who would win the election?

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 13 2014,15:28
QUOTE
who would win the election?

Whoever booby traps the voting booths.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 14 2014,12:29
Obamacare website will not show the updated, higher costs until right after the 2015 elections.

< http://www.washingtontimes.com/news....ts-for- >

Because fuck you, that's why.



Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 14 2014,12:33
Hilarious.  Most times, the prez only has one lame duck period during his tenure.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 14 2014,12:45
Has there been a final word on the fuckup that says peeps on the federal exchange WILL NOT be getting subsidies?  Has it not gone through the courts yet?

The entire law was sold to people based on those subsidies.

I challenge anyone to find a President since World War II to fuck over the american people to this extent.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 14 2014,12:52
QUOTE
I challenge anyone to find a President since World War II to fuck over the american people to this extent.

I'd say Ford, Carter, and Nixon.  And Dubyuh since I still have to take off my shoes at the airport.  You won't know the extent of the fallout from Obamacare until a few years after.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 14 2014,12:58
The deficit spending for W's TSA is stupid, but Obamacare has shitloads of people scrambling to adjust their actual household budgets to account for the actual personal expense of it.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 14 2014,13:14

(GORDON @ Oct. 14 2014,14:58)
QUOTE
The deficit spending for W's TSA is stupid, but Obamacare has shitloads of people scrambling to adjust their actual household budgets to account for the actual personal expense of it.

The TSA (and entire DHS) is provably stupid.  Obamacare is currently only theoretically stupid.  It shouldn't take too long to remedy that ... if the entirety of the law is ever put into effect.



Posted by Vince on Oct. 14 2014,13:19
I think we'll have some of that proof after the election.  I'll bet the cost just about doubles.  I think the long term effects of this will destroy us as the innovator in medicine.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 14 2014,13:27

(Vince @ Oct. 14 2014,15:19)
QUOTE
I think we'll have some of that proof after the election.  I'll bet the cost just about doubles.  I think the long term effects of this will destroy us as the innovator in medicine.

< Already there >.
Posted by Vince on Oct. 14 2014,14:58
Not a good argument as embryonic stem cell research hasn't produced much anywhere.  Now the stem cells (I think they're marrow stem cells) that they have done research on have been productive.  The problem with embryonic stem cell research is rejection.  Even though they can grow anything from them (in theory), they are still the genetic matter of another person.  You will still have rejection issues like you do with a liver or heart transplant.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 14 2014,15:39
QUOTE
You will still have rejection issues like you do with a liver or heart transplant.

A chance at not dying sounds a hell of a lot better than none.

Posted by Vince on Oct. 14 2014,18:56
Doing it w/ my own non-fetal stem cells and not having to take anti-rejection drugs sounds even better (and more likely to happen) to me.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 17 2014,11:08
< Government > still concerned they can't access all your data whenever they want.
QUOTE
FBI Director James Comey said Thursday that new federal laws may be required to break the privacy technology contained in the iPhone and other devices.
...

Comey argued that secure smartphones help criminals, from murderers to terrorists, to elude detection. He called for a national conversation about government access.

"We are not seeking to expand our authority to intercept communications. We are struggling to keep up with changing technology," Comey said.

I will root my Android and fucking encrypt my info myself if I must.  Rot in hell, James.  Fucking die and rot in hell.

QUOTE
"It basically says everybody is going to make themselves, their information totally available to the FBI for the sake of catching some tiny percentage of the population that might be doing something wrong," Gartner Senior Research Analyst Van Baker said.

Holy shit, a voice of reason.  Bet he's going to get silenced pretty quick.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 24 2014,10:40
< HAHAHAHAHAHA >.
QUOTE
Among them, DHS disputed the finding that they had no assurance they have enough equipment and medication. DHS suggested the shelf life of their supplies is longer than the audit made it seem, and the IG was basing its conclusions only on manufacturer information as opposed to other research.

Yeah, because those manufacturers don't know shit about the chemicals they produce.

Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 24 2014,11:08

(Malcolm @ Oct. 24 2014,13:40)
QUOTE
< HAHAHAHAHAHA >.
QUOTE
Among them, DHS disputed the finding that they had no assurance they have enough equipment and medication. DHS suggested the shelf life of their supplies is longer than the audit made it seem, and the IG was basing its conclusions only on manufacturer information as opposed to other research.

Yeah, because those manufacturers don't know shit about the chemicals they produce.

In defense of the DHS, everything has an expiration date (Tylenol, prescription drugs, etc) that are essentially BULLSHIT.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2014,11:30
Plastic isn't as eternal as people think, at least the integrity of it.

There was.... something.... I had in storage for years, some plastic something.  When I finally had a need of it, it cracked where it was supposed to flex, and it was useless....  I can see it but I can't remember what it was.

I would argue biohazard suits are going to have the same problem.  They aren't going to be pliable forever, and is that really the thing you want to be gambling with?

I would be critical if I had a job in which the suit was required to save my life, and it was past its recommended usage date.

Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 24 2014,12:47
Newer plastic compounds are better than older ones.  If we can't make one now we aren't too far off from making a biohazard suit that would last forever in storage, waiting to be used.

But it'll still have an expiration date stamped on it.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2014,12:52

(TPRJones @ Oct. 24 2014,15:47)
QUOTE
Newer plastic compounds are better than older ones.  If we can't make one now we aren't too far off from making a biohazard suit that would last forever in storage, waiting to be used.

But it'll still have an expiration date stamped on it.

I would think packing it in a vacuum container of one filled with Nitrogen would help in reducing the oxidation of the hydrocarbons, but I still wouldn't think it would be eternal.  Regular ol' background radiation is going to degrade it.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 24 2014,22:24
In case you don't know the real reason Dems don't want voter ID laws (it aint racism)...

< http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs....lection >

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 27 2014,12:17
Televised debate.

Dem: You are part of the war against women.

Audience: interrupting laughter

Dem: I get more time, right?

15 sec vid

< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXQEl6XSfWU >

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 03 2014,19:20
Obamacare rates are going up, and insurance companies can not, by law, release the 2015 rates until after the mid term elections.

< http://www.bookwormroom.com/2014....y-worse >

QUOTE
This year, for the first time in 20 years I can not even quote a replacement product because Barack Obama has issued a GAG ORDER to the health insurance industry instructing them not to disclose their January 2015 health insurance rates until after the mid-term elections. This is unprecedented. Normally health insurance premiums are released for public viewing 60 days before the January 1st effective date.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 04 2014,03:50
I can see my health insurance rates, but I have corporate insurance.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 04 2014,06:11

(TheCatt @ Nov. 04 2014,06:50)
QUOTE
I can see my health insurance rates, but I have corporate insurance.

Ditto. Having open enrollment meetings today.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 04 2014,06:13
Well, today are the midterms.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 04 2014,06:42
Well, I've known the rates for weeks now as I'm part of my company's wellness committee.  :p

Seriously though, our company is waving its dick at Obama. We still insure our employees and management has gone out of its way to publicly condemn Obamacare.

Very Republican leaning management. They have prayer at company functions.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 04 2014,10:44
< He hasn't done a very good job with Russia. >
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 04 2014,19:09
< CommonCore is failing. >
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 04 2014,19:12
My kid's math book actually says, "Common Core" on it.

Last night at parent/teacher conferences we brought it up with his teacher, and she says none of the teachers like common core, it was implemented to fix a problem that didn't exist, and this is why they have kids "check their work" with common core problems doing the same problems the correct way to make sure kids are learning math properly, one way or another.

I approved.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 04 2014,19:20
QUOTE
The majority of teachers in Common Core states indicate that the students they work with lack the level of typing and computer skills needed to perform well on the tests

Hmm.  Should only take a billion or two to engineer a common test UI framework that doesn't look like the bastard offspring of MC Escher and Picasso during his cubist phase.  Also, measuring math aptitude with pure standardized testing is next to worthless.  It's like confirming someone's culinary knowledge without seeing them cook.



Posted by Leisher on Nov. 04 2014,19:55
Republicans are curb stomping Dems tonight.

One more seat and "the party of 'No'" might actually make sense.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 04 2014,20:23
Yea.  A different kind of idiocy will reign in congress.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 04 2014,20:44
Secretly I think Obama is thrilled. He can now blame Congress for the next two years.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 04 2014,20:51

(Leisher @ Nov. 04 2014,23:44)
QUOTE
Secretly I think Obama is thrilled. He can now blame Congress for the next two years.

Yeah.  They've all been blaming the House for the last two, anyway.  Easy adjustment.
Posted by Vince on Nov. 05 2014,03:35

(Leisher @ Nov. 04 2014,22:44)
QUOTE
Secretly I think Obama is thrilled. He can now blame Congress for the next two years.

I think Obama will just go nuts with executive power for the next two years.  But I think he'll have a hard time calling the Republicans "the party of 'no'" when he's the one doing all the vetoing.

I don't think he's nearly as smart as Bill Clinton was after the '94 elections.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 05 2014,03:52
I stand by my earlier opinion... CC is fine.  People just lack the mental ability to handle change.
Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 05 2014,04:08

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 05 2014,05:48
Just read an interesting question:

With a Republican congress, will the media stop pretending the economy is great, and unemployment is low?

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 05 2014,05:57

(TheCatt @ Nov. 05 2014,06:52)
QUOTE
I stand by my earlier opinion... CC is fine.  People just lack the mental ability to handle change.

While I absolutely agree with you that people fear change, I think you're wrong about CC. At least the math portion of it.

According to actual math professors and experts in the field, including the two who helped develop CC's math standards, it's not fine. At least, not for teaching kids this young.

I know nothing about the rest of CC, so I can't praise or criticize it.

We're getting out asses kicked by multiple other countries, why not just see what they're doing? And while I agree that certain standards need to be there as a guideline, I don't want them to limit the potential of the best students. Right now it seems our kids are being taught to those standards, not to exceed them.

Plus, anything that Bill Gates had his hands in just reeks of evil.  :D

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 05 2014,06:41
I've been doing the 1st grade and 2nd grade CC math with my daughter.  Is it more complex?  Yes, at first.  But there's an elegant simplicity in it once you grok it.  Is it too much for poor precious purple butterflies?  Apparently.
Posted by Vince on Nov. 05 2014,06:43
CC is a product of Crapitalism rather than educators.  It will fill coffers of test givers and politicians that support them.  That's what's driving it.  Making money.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 05 2014,07:35

(TheCatt @ Nov. 05 2014,08:41)
QUOTE
I've been doing the 1st grade and 2nd grade CC math with my daughter.  Is it more complex?  Yes, at first.  But there's an elegant simplicity in it once you grok it.  Is it too much for poor precious purple butterflies?  Apparently.

Can someone show me one of these mythical CC problems complete with the correct answer?  How the fuck many ways are there to get across "x + 2 = 5 means x = 3?"



Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 05 2014,07:52
< Common core 2nd grade math >

Page 8 through 11 describe some of the strategies that parents are upset about.  Like having to understand math.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 05 2014,08:01
QUOTE
Like having to understand math.

Oh that.  Are the old people bitching there's not enough memorization of multiplication tables?

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 05 2014,08:45

(Malcolm @ Nov. 05 2014,11:01)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Like having to understand math.

Oh that.  Are the old people bitching there's not enough memorization of multiplication tables?

Yes.

And not carrying the one in addition.

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 05 2014,09:15
QUOTE
And not carrying the one in addition.

...How does that work?  Where does the one go now?

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 05 2014,09:49

(TPRJones @ Nov. 05 2014,11:15)
QUOTE
QUOTE
And not carrying the one in addition.

...How does that work?  Where does the one go now?

The one can carry itself, damnit, and stop expecting others to do the work.
Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 05 2014,10:17

(TPRJones @ Nov. 05 2014,12:15)
QUOTE
QUOTE
And not carrying the one in addition.

...How does that work?  Where does the one go now?

There are a few different ways, iirc.

But basically they break the math down into smaller problems, or they do other tricks.

64 + 27 =
60 + 4 + 20 + 7 =
60 + 20 + 4 + 7 =
80 + 11 =
91

or
9 + 5 =
10 + 4 =
14

or
63 - 27 =
60 - 24 =
56 - 20 =
36

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 05 2014,10:27
Interesting.  So basically they're teaching all these kids the tricks that used to be taught to UIL Number Sense competitors in middle school.  How old are these tricks aimed at?

EDIT: Been thinking about it, and while it's good to teach kids these tricks, I'm not sure it's a good way to teach the math.  It doesn't seem like it would be a good way to get the basic concepts across.  It's more something to teach them after they've been taught and practiced the basic related math operations and concepts.



Posted by Vince on Nov. 05 2014,11:28

(TheCatt @ Nov. 05 2014,12:17)
QUOTE
64 + 27 =
60 + 4 + 20 + 7 =
60 + 20 + 4 + 7 =
80 + 11 =
91

Points taken for carrying the one
Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 05 2014,11:31
There was no one-carrying there.
Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 05 2014,11:32

(TPRJones @ Nov. 05 2014,13:27)
QUOTE
Interesting.  So basically they're teaching all these kids the tricks that used to be taught to UIL Number Sense competitors in middle school.  How old are these tricks aimed at?

EDIT: Been thinking about it, and while it's good to teach kids these tricks, I'm not sure it's a good way to teach the math.  It doesn't seem like it would be a good way to get the basic concepts across.  It's more something to teach them after they've been taught and practiced the basic related math operations and concepts.

I saw my oldest daughter struggle with having to explain everything.  On the other hand, having gone through that struggle, her facility with numbers has increased greatly once it all clicked.

But yes, this starts at 1st grade/6 year olds.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 05 2014,11:49
Well, again, this seems to be a solution looking for a problem.  It isn't like this is going to increase the number of kids going to college, or becoming math majors.  Smart gets will succeed, dumb kids won't, average kids will be average, and someone is making money selling new text books.
Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 05 2014,11:55
It'll be years before we see how this works out, but I can tell you that 80% of our incoming students have to take at least one developmental Math class because they aren't up to the standards expected for incoming high school graduates.  

60% need to take two or more semesters of developmental Math to get up to speed.

It's very sad.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 05 2014,11:57

(TPRJones @ Nov. 05 2014,14:55)
QUOTE
It'll be years before we see how this works out, but I can tell you that 80% of our incoming students have to take at least one developmental Math class because they aren't up to the standards expected for incoming high school graduates.  

60% need to take two or more semesters of developmental Math to get up to speed.

It's very sad.

This has nothing to do with math, and everything to do with the kids not being raised right.  Previous generations did just fine, but there has been Progress made.
Posted by Vince on Nov. 05 2014,11:59

(TheCatt @ Nov. 05 2014,13:31)
QUOTE
There was no one-carrying there.

7+4... I'm messing with you.

When so many people are pushing so hard to make something like this mandatory, I have to wonder what the motivation is.  And as I've stated before, it's money.

It's not like the old way of teaching was crashing and bursting into flames killing children.  Why not have some test groups to see if this is of benefit?  Why were there no grade school educators involved with the curriculum?  Something stinks to high heaven with this stuff.

When liberals and conservatives are coming together against something, then it certainly warrants another good look.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 05 2014,12:07
QUOTE
When liberals and conservatives are coming together against something, then it certainly warrants another good look.

Based on that sentence alone, my reply would be, "Yeah.  It might worth pursuing."



Posted by GORDON on Nov. 05 2014,13:50

(TPRJones @ Nov. 05 2014,14:55)
QUOTE
It'll be years before we see how this works out, but I can tell you that 80% of our incoming students have to take at least one developmental Math class because they aren't up to the standards expected for incoming high school graduates.  

60% need to take two or more semesters of developmental Math to get up to speed.

It's very sad.

And by the way, I never had to take the remedial math in order to start the math for my MIS degree.  I can't imagine how stupid a person would have to be to not be able to ace the college entrance, math placement tests.  If nothing else it was all multiple choice and you could work backwards with the answers provided to see if they fit the given equation.

Fuck, man.... I even aced it again when I started more classes for fun at a different college 10 years after my previous math class.  This has nothing to do with common core.  Not everyone is cut out for college, full stop.



Posted by GORDON on Nov. 05 2014,14:25
I'm so fucking smart that I also pepper sprayed myself, today.  I was running the mower over the pepper garden, and peppers came in so good this year that probably 100 jalepeno, habenaro, and banana peppers rotted on the plant.  I ran over them, raised a cloud of dust, didn't think about it, and took a good, deep breath.  Then I immediately started evacuating all the mucous out of my respiratory system.

So smart.

Posted by Vince on Nov. 05 2014,14:26
The method used for math that's been in use for at least a century hasn't suddenly stopped working.  Either the teaching instruction is busted, or the kids are busted, or (as Gordo says) maybe this is just where kids always were but now they all are told they have to go to college, or a combination of the above.

But CC math isn't going to fix any of that.  Even Catt said his oldest struggled with all of it and I'm fairly confident that she falls on the right side of the bell curve.

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 05 2014,15:05
1) Maybe there are better ways for kids as an aggregate to learn math.  Better than have been used for 100 years.
2) Teachers have gotten worse.  I have no doubt on that.  I'm kinda hoping adaptive learning techniques will fill the gaps here.

CC math may help #1.  CC math can be implemented in adapted learning (like any other math instruction) for #2.

Posted by Vince on Nov. 05 2014,16:16
I see your hopes Catt, but even if I didn't think the math was wrong headed I don't believe a more complicated process is going to help an already broken system.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 05 2014,17:20

(GORDON @ Nov. 05 2014,13:57)
QUOTE

(TPRJones @ Nov. 05 2014,14:55)
QUOTE
It'll be years before we see how this works out, but I can tell you that 80% of our incoming students have to take at least one developmental Math class because they aren't up to the standards expected for incoming high school graduates.  

60% need to take two or more semesters of developmental Math to get up to speed.

It's very sad.

This has nothing to do with math, and everything to do with the kids not being raised right.  Previous generations did just fine, but there has been Progress made.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.  Previous generations had < this bullshit >, too.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 05 2014,17:28
QUOTE
The method used for math that's been in use for at least a century hasn't suddenly stopped working.

True.  But to say that one way of learning is the best for all is dumb.  I say that as someone who's learned and taught math in grad and undergrad.

QUOTE
Either the teaching instruction is busted, or the kids are busted, or (as Gordo says) maybe this is just where kids always were but now they all are told they have to go to college, or a combination of the above.

If the math teachers of today are anything like back in the "good ol' days" then there's plenty of incompetence to go around.  There's also the possibility of the kids simply being stupid or lazy.

QUOTE
But CC math isn't going to fix any of that.  Even Catt said his oldest struggled with all of it and I'm fairly confident that she falls on the right side of the bell curve.

How do you know it won't?  Not everything's supposed to come easy.  Some concepts require your brain to chew on them for a long while before something, some day, clicks into place, and you go, "Oh shit, that's how it works."  I learned at least two to three different definitions of what "linear mathematics" meant.  One was a purely graphical interpretation.  Additionally, the hardest math course I ever took was a math foundations one.  It smashed things down to such a low level, all the rules you normally cling to got thrown out the window.  To the point where evaluating the square root of two was a fucking five-page proof.



Posted by GORDON on Nov. 05 2014,17:28
At 6 years old?
Posted by Vince on Nov. 05 2014,18:46

(Malcolm @ Nov. 05 2014,19:28)
QUOTE
How do you know it won't?  Not everything's supposed to come easy.  Some concepts require your brain to chew on them for a long while before something, some day, clicks into place, and you go, "Oh shit, that's how it works."  I learned at least two to three different definitions of what "linear mathematics" meant.  One was a purely graphical interpretation.  Additionally, the hardest math course I ever took was a math foundations one.  It smashed things down to such a low level, all the rules you normally cling to got thrown out the window.  To the point where evaluating the square root of two was a fucking five-page proof.

QUOTE
I see your hopes Catt, but even if I didn't think the math was wrong headed I don't believe a more complicated process is going to help an already broken system.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 06 2014,05:18
Douche says douchie things.

< http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs....ans-won >

Posted by Vince on Nov. 06 2014,05:44
Like I said, he's not nearly as smart as Clinton was.  I shouldn't say that.  I don't think it is even comparing smarts.  I don't think Bill Clinton had the level of Megalomania as Obama (and that's saying something).  Plus Clinton was very smooth at displaying what he wanted when in public.  Obama can't help but throw little fits like a child in public.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 06 2014,08:09

(GORDON @ Nov. 05 2014,19:28)
QUOTE
At 6 years old?

Relatively speaking.  They shouldn't be doing calculus proofs but, in terms of math, something should be pushing their brain.  Learning is not meant to be easy.  Your brain tends to do it best with some motivation and pressure.  Not too simple, not too difficult.  As you edge closer to "too difficult," you have to ramp up the effort and time, but you increase your command and application of the knowledge.

QUOTE
I see your hopes Catt, but even if I didn't think the math was wrong headed I don't believe a more complicated process is going to help an already broken system.

There's nothing broken about what I said.  There are multiple ways to interpret mathematical concepts.  They range from purely numerical to purely graphical.  Jumping around on a number line isn't wrong.



Posted by GORDON on Nov. 06 2014,09:09
I'd seen rumors that ebola stories were being buried by the media before the midterms to protect obama.  I ignored the rumors.

After the election, here's hundreds of people being actively monitored in NYC alone.

< http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news....21.html >

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 06 2014,09:21
There are 40-something in my town.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2014,13:58
CNN: American voters are stupid and don't know what they want and we totally aren't suggesting the whole democracy-thing doesn't work because our party got beaten recently.

< http://www.cnn.com/2014....t=hp_t3 >



Posted by GORDON on Nov. 09 2014,19:42
IRS never even looked for the incriminating emails.  They didn't know this until after the midterms.

< http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBl....nything >

QUOTE
Some months ago, we learned that former Tax Exempt Organizations honcho Lois Lerner generates an intense bio-electric field that causes every hard drive that comes anywhere hear her to crash and lose all its data, something that never seems to happen to hard drives outside the government any more, but verily the Age of Obama is an age of wonders.  Lerner's mutant hard-drive crashing powers supposedly wiped out a ton of electronic correspondence relevant to the scandal.

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 10 2014,12:23
Wow, that CNN piece is crazy slanted.

In other news:
< Kerry signs UN arms treaty. >

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 10 2014,13:00
QUOTE
They elect Democrats who try to accomplish complex policy goals, then turn around and elect Republicans when things don't work perfectly. They say they hate gridlock, then elect people who will give them more of it.

Jesus Goddamn Christ.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 11 2014,10:38
< Evil Republican >Author of health care law:
QUOTE
"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” Gruber said. "And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass."

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 13 2014,05:57
Penalty for not signing up for Obamacare is going to triple.

< http://tinyurl.com/m6w5cxd >



Posted by Leisher on Nov. 13 2014,05:58
Page not found.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 13 2014,07:48

(Leisher @ Nov. 13 2014,07:58)
QUOTE
Page not found.

Found.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 13 2014,10:56
< Pelosi gets amnesia >.
QUOTE
Pelosi also mentioned Gruber during a press conference at the time.

When the press release was brought to Pelosi’s office’s attention on Thursday, aides indicated she does not know him – as she does not know everyone they have cited on their website.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 17 2014,11:05

(GORDON @ Nov. 09 2014,15:58)
QUOTE
CNN: American voters are stupid and don't know what they want and we totally aren't suggesting the whole democracy-thing doesn't work because our party got beaten recently.

< http://www.cnn.com/2014....t=hp_t3 >

< Stupid in a different way >.
QUOTE
I thought wrong. The White House and Congressional Democrats let their opponents define the law. And those opponents did a superb job of developing and implementing a communications strategy to turn the public against what they decided to call "Obamacare." That campaign has been so successful it has almost completely obscured the fact that the law actually benefits each and every one of us.

I can only guess that Obama's team was persuaded that a lack of transparency, even about the good the law does, would be better than going to the trouble of trying to explain it.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 17 2014,11:08
< US State Department > hacked.
QUOTE
The State Department's network was infiltrated last month, but the department did not disconnect the affected systems until the weekend, according to federal technology information website nextgov.com. It said there was abnormal activity in the email system as recently as late October.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 18 2014,10:38
< No pipeline for you >.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 18 2014,18:31
< Christmas Tree Tax. >

"Merry Christmas.  Fuck you."

~The Government

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 18 2014,18:34
Fuck you, real tree people!

We bought a fake one 4 years ago.

Posted by Vince on Nov. 18 2014,18:43

(GORDON @ Nov. 18 2014,20:31)
QUOTE
< Christmas Tree Tax. >

"Merry Christmas.  Fuck you."

~The Government

QUOTE
A few months ago, the federal government created a national marketing program to advertise the virtues of real Christmas trees. It’s funded by a 15-cent surcharge that will be added to the cost of each tree sold.


I love real trees.  My dad is a retired state forest ranger.  But I think they might be defeating the purpose with taxing them to use real trees because they're awesome.

Only in government does that make sense,

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 18 2014,19:39
I am just glad the government is in the Real Tree Awareness Business.

I wonder who the Real Tree Tzar will be.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 18 2014,20:17
Czar, motherfucker.
Posted by Vince on Nov. 19 2014,03:20
Can we get that annoying "we hate everything" atheist group to protest this?
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 19 2014,05:42

(Vince @ Nov. 19 2014,06:20)
QUOTE
Can we get that annoying "we hate everything" atheist group to protest this?

Isn't Malcolm enough?
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 19 2014,08:50
Media mostly ignoring Obamacare "voters are stupid" videos.

< http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/major-m....2556330 >

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 19 2014,08:51

(Leisher @ Nov. 19 2014,07:42)
QUOTE

(Vince @ Nov. 19 2014,06:20)
QUOTE
Can we get that annoying "we hate everything" atheist group to protest this?

Isn't Malcolm enough?

I have scheduling conflicts.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 19 2014,10:19
< Obama: > Congress?  Fuck those guys.
QUOTE
Frustrated by years of congressional inaction on what most in Washington agree is a broken immigration system, Obama is planning to issue a reprieve from deportation that will cover some parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents.

Posted by Vince on Nov. 19 2014,14:42
Probably the same week that the Ferguson thing comes down.  This will be a bad week.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 19 2014,17:22
The speech where King Obama will pardon millions of illegals will not be broadcast on ABC, CBS, NBC, or Fox.

It will air on Univision, where the Latin Grammys will be delayed for the speech.

< http://deadline.com/2014....1289203 >

I guess they are counting on the continued stupidity of the American voter.



Posted by Vince on Nov. 19 2014,17:34
As long as they have their streaming Netflix, they're happy.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 19 2014,17:34
He's becoming the best president Mexico ever had.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 19 2014,17:56
QUOTE
I guess they are counting on the continued stupidity of the American voter.

A solid bet.

QUOTE
Voting is for losers.

  - Bender Bending Rodriguez

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 19 2014,19:25
< http://www.nationalreview.com/campaig....eraghty >

QUOTE
If you want to stretch the powers of the presidency beyond all recognition, to insist “prosecutorial discretion” now means not enforcing the law for millions of people who violated the law by entering the country illegally, and to claim unilateral power to change the makeup of American society in the face of stiff public and Congressional opposition… at least wear a suit jacket, right? This is a special occasion.

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 19 2014,19:26
I don't see how that's any more outrageous than the rest of the stuff President's have been doing for the past 50 years.  Selective enforcement of the law has been recognized as one of the checks and balances (in this case the Executive putting limits on the Legislative and - to a lesser degree - the Judiciary) < for a long time >.


Posted by GORDON on Nov. 19 2014,20:04
This is just the icing on the icing on the icing (etc) on the cake.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 19 2014,20:41

(GORDON @ Nov. 19 2014,22:04)
QUOTE
This is just the icing on the icing on the icing (etc) on the cake.

< Guess this dude >'s a dick for telling the Supreme Court to go fuck off, too.
QUOTE
John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!

  - Andrew goddamn Jackson

Posted by Vince on Nov. 20 2014,02:56

(TPRJones @ Nov. 19 2014,21:26)
QUOTE
I don't see how that's any more outrageous than the rest of the stuff President's have been doing for the past 50 years.  Selective enforcement of the law has been recognized as one of the checks and balances (in this case the Executive putting limits on the Legislative and - to a lesser degree - the Judiciary) < for a long time >.

Most constitutional scholars agree that selective enforcement of the law usually pertains to individual cases where the President doesn't feel that the spirit of the law applies to these cases.

The case you cited is a little different as it's pulling States' Rights into it which is a little different than what we have going on here.

If this stands, my hope is that the next President announces that the IRS will no longer be enforcing the collection of the ACA taxes and let that program implode in red ink.

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 20 2014,04:53
I don't think there's anyone who wouldn't argue Andrew Jackson was a dick, whether they liked him or not.
Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 20 2014,10:59
Of course he was a dick.  That's what made him a good President.

If Obama had just half the nutsack that Jackson had then he could have been a good President, too.  But as soon as he was elected his whole Hope & Change parade shriveled up and fell off along with his testicles.



Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 20 2014,11:12
< We totally didn't lie >, we're just incompetent.
QUOTE
Health and Human Services has issued a statement saying the numbers were included by "mistake" and that, without including dental plans, Obamacare enrollment is currently at 6.7 million

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 20 2014,11:20
< More ways > telecom companies are being bitches.
QUOTE
The attack is led by municipally owned internet service providers (ISPs) in Chattanooga, Tennessee, and Wilson, North Carolina: cities with lightning-fast internet speeds of one gigabit a second, about 50 times better than the US average. Neighbors in rural counties want to sign up, and that’s where the trouble starts.

Yes, god forbid people be able to sign up for services they want.

QUOTE
Chattanooga’s EPB and Wilson’s Greenlight are challenging state laws similar to those that exist in 20 states that restrict or bar local governments from offering broadband, so setting precedent is one goal here. The bans have been lobbied for, furiously, by cable and telecoms firms that argue competition from public networks is unfair to private industry, while companies like Netflix have lobbied against them.

Suck a dick, telecom industry.

QUOTE
Incumbents disagree. AT&T spokesman Michael Balmoris says municipal broadband is both doomed to failure and so successful it threatens private actors: “Although many GONs [government-operated networks] have failed, or at least failed to live up to expectations,” Balmoris wrote, “GONs can nonetheless discourage private sector investment because of understandable concerns by private sector entities of a non-level playing field.”

As opposed to AT&T, which has also failed to live up to expectations?

Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 20 2014,12:45
Seriously.  I wish Wilson's Greenlight service could come over here.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 20 2014,12:50

(TheCatt @ Nov. 20 2014,14:45)
QUOTE
Seriously.  I wish Wilson's Greenlight service could come over here.

Tell them to bribe more congressmen.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 20 2014,16:56
< http://www.nationalreview.com/article....w-cooke >

QUOTE
And yet, just one short year after he had told students that he was hamstrung by the rules, the president did precisely what he said he could not, refusing to "enforce and implement" those "very clear" laws and abdicating disgracefully his "appropriate role as president."

...

Evidently, the new approach suited the president. Soon thereafter, he began to make extra-legislative changes to Obamacare, without offering any earnest legal justifications whatsoever; he responded to Congress’s refusal to raise the minimum wage by rewriting the Service Contract Act of 1965; and, as a matter of routine, he took to threatening, cajoling, and mocking Congress, and to informing the country's lawmakers that by declining to consent to his will they were refusing to do "their jobs." In Obama's post-2011 world, it seems, legislators are not free agents but parliamentary subordinates possessed of two choices: either they do what he wants, or they watch him do what he wants. Refusing assent seems to be regarded as an entirely illegitimate option. This, it should be perfectly obvious, is the attitude not of the statesman, but of the mugger. "Give me your wallet," the ruffian says, "or I will take it by force." That progressives who once championed the man for his calm and his virtue have taken to twisting themselves into knots in his defense should tell us all we need to know about their broader sincerity -- and his.

...

Today, the transformation of Barack Obama from wide-eyed idealist to bitter imperator will finally be completed. Amid the glitz and the artifice of Las Vegas, the last vestiges of the one we were waiting for will be swept ignominiously away, leaving only power, cynicism, and partisanship in their stead. There was a time when our 44th president claimed to stand for transparency, modesty, moderation, tolerance, humility, reason, and calm. Today, just feet from Caesars Palace, he will don the robes of the emperor and spin minor discretion into gargantuan usurpation, all norms and touchstones be damned. However convincing are the promises of the ambitious, Lord Acton always has the last laugh.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 20 2014,17:46
What delusional person wrote that?
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 20 2014,17:52
Your mom
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 20 2014,18:23
I think that monumental moment happened only in that dude's mind.
Posted by Leisher on Nov. 21 2014,10:02
< House Repubs suing over Obamacare. >

Expect a lawsuit over Obama's immigration move too.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 21 2014,10:45

(Leisher @ Nov. 21 2014,12:02)
QUOTE
< House Repubs suing over Obamacare. >

Expect a lawsuit over Obama's immigration move too.

I expect nothing to happen except for lawyers to get paid with my tax money.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 21 2014,11:03

(Leisher @ Nov. 21 2014,13:02)
QUOTE
< House Repubs suing over Obamacare. >

Expect a lawsuit over Obama's immigration move too.

Yeah, but sue him for what?  That is the way to get unlawful implementation of a law... fixed?  I don't even know.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 21 2014,11:45
That's been my problem with the entire, "Let's sue Obama," plan.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 21 2014,12:00
I don't know why they don't just impeach.

+++

Since the media didn't care about the Obamacare architect duping the American public, maybe they will care about Obama's money man raping a kid.

< http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/198644/ >

Posted by Leisher on Nov. 21 2014,12:13
< #ThanksMichelleObama >
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 21 2014,12:19

(Leisher @ Nov. 21 2014,14:13)
QUOTE
< #ThanksMichelleObama >

They can't vote or contribute funds.  Fuck them.



Posted by GORDON on Nov. 21 2014,12:38
I said long ago that kids aren't eating off Michelle Obama's menu, they are throwing it away and going hungry.  < Someone else finally figured it out. >  But about 2 days ago I saw the trend starting with "random"* people stating, "It is better that these kids take one bite of something healthy than eat something that's bad for them."

*I think there are a lot of < astroturfers out there on the payroll. >

Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 21 2014,17:50

Posted by GORDON on Nov. 21 2014,19:22
Yeah, can't fix it so shut the fuck up and eat what they tell you to eat.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 22 2014,09:56
It's illegal to bring your own food to school now?
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 22 2014,10:03

(Malcolm @ Nov. 22 2014,12:56)
QUOTE
It's illegal to bring your own food to school now?

It is at some schools.

< http://dailysignal.com/2011....agoland >

QUOTE
Principal Elsa Carmona said her intention is to protect students from their own unhealthful food choices.

Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 22 2014,10:06
I dare someone to take that to court.  Once it gets up high enough, they'll strike down that bullshit.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 22 2014,10:11
My kid goes to a good, rural school... and I have seen the crap the cafeteria serves (which the kids promptly throw away).  I am not mad at my kid because he wants to pack 4 days out of 5.  I just bought a good lunch kit and I can pack him some hot beef stroganoff (his fave) or homemade spaghetti or something, and thing of cherry tomatoes,  and some vitamin-c gummis and a bottle of water with a flavor packet.  He probably eats better and healthier then 90% of the people in the school, at lunch.  I am glad the government is not yet stopping me from feeding my child.


Posted by GORDON on Nov. 23 2014,06:06

(GORDON @ Nov. 19 2014,20:22)
QUOTE
The speech where King Obama will pardon millions of illegals will not be broadcast on ABC, CBS, NBC, or Fox.

It will air on Univision, where the Latin Grammys will be delayed for the speech.

< http://deadline.com/2014....1289203 >

I guess they are counting on the continued stupidity of the American voter.

Even SNL noticed, this time.

< http://www.mediaite.com/tv....l-steps >

Posted by Vince on Nov. 24 2014,14:00
And one of the press fact checkers did a fact check on that skit (I kid you not).  Gave it a "false" rating.  Our press might as well be wearing a jizz stained blue dress.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 24 2014,14:09

(Vince @ Nov. 24 2014,17:00)
QUOTE
And one of the press fact checkers did a fact check on that skit (I kid you not).  Gave it a "false" rating.  Our press might as well be wearing a jizz stained blue dress.





Let's hope Lorne Michaels is funny enough to make fun of them for it next week.

I think the Washington Post had to fact-check SNL because earlier they fact-checked the White House about the "Bush did it too" stuff regarding the amnesty.

< http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs....ts-nope >



Posted by Vince on Nov. 24 2014,14:18
Remember when they fact checked the SNL Palin/Fey quote about her being able to see Russia from her house?
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 25 2014,10:55
< Democrats aren't > pro-government enough.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 01 2014,13:33
More poor people are now getting health care because it is subsidized.  Most middle class people in history are now putting off getting health care because they are subsidizing poor people and can't afford it.

< http://dailycaller.com/2014....r-costs >

Working as intended?

Posted by Vince on Dec. 01 2014,16:08
Gordo, I think you give them too much credit.  The intention was to give government more power.  They aren't concerning themselves with trivial matters like results or how it works or deaths or anything of that nature.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 16 2014,11:02
< Terrorism insurance >.  Jesus fuck.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 16 2014,12:06
Part of me wants to believe that Obama is behind this < awesome collapse of Russia and oil prices, > somehow collaborating with OPEC to ruin Russia.  

If that's true, then I can finally give Obama some credit for something.  And if it's not true, well, no shock.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 16 2014,12:37

(TheCatt @ Dec. 16 2014,14:06)
QUOTE
Part of me wants to believe that Obama is behind this < awesome collapse of Russia and oil prices, > somehow collaborating with OPEC to ruin Russia.  

If that's true, then I can finally give Obama some credit for something.  And if it's not true, well, no shock.

I don't think they're smart enough to pull it off.  Putin might've overplayed his hand.
Posted by Vince on Dec. 16 2014,13:28

(TheCatt @ Dec. 16 2014,14:06)
QUOTE
Part of me wants to believe that Obama is behind this < awesome collapse of Russia and oil prices, > somehow collaborating with OPEC to ruin Russia.  

If that's true, then I can finally give Obama some credit for something.  And if it's not true, well, no shock.

My understanding is that the fracking has opened up a world of exporting petroleum that the US hasn't experienced in decades and was one of the things really helping us as far as trade balance.  Not sure how this will play out for everyone involved, including the US.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 16 2014,15:09
That's the official story.  But what-if that's the story only because Obama couldn't come out and say something that would jeopardize some # of American companies and jobs?

Right now, it's mostly a positive for the US, aside from fracking/energy companies.

Posted by Vince on Dec. 16 2014,18:31
Yeah, but I thought the fracking and energy companies are all that's giving us a net positive economy wise right now.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 16 2014,19:08

(Vince @ Dec. 16 2014,21:31)
QUOTE
Yeah, but I thought the fracking and energy companies are all that's giving us a net positive economy wise right now.

In a world of $100+ oil, they are helping, but not the sole contributor to economic growth. In a world of $55 oil, the rest of our economy will do much better.  Estimates from the Fed are that the drop from $100 to $60 will contribute about 1.4 points to GDP, iirc.  I read it the other day, but cannot find my source tonight.
Posted by Vince on Dec. 17 2014,03:17
Okay, that's good.  I don't think this will last very long, but I want everything propped up long enough for me to get my house sold in a few months. :-)
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 17 2014,04:36

(Vince @ Dec. 17 2014,06:17)
QUOTE
Okay, that's good.  I don't think this will last very long, but I want everything propped up long enough for me to get my house sold in a few months. :-)

Well, more good news for you then.  With the government supporting 3% down payment loans, more buyers.
Posted by Vince on Dec. 17 2014,04:41
Yeah, I just saw something where some market guys are guessing at a 2.5-3% rise in housing values.  Not that I'm worried about the up-tick so much as it's an indication that houses are selling better.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2014,10:34
< Obama > handed car keys.

< Michelle Obama > once had to get something off a shelf.  With vaguely racist undertones.



Posted by GORDON on Dec. 17 2014,10:53
QUOTE
Michelle recalled that even when she visited a Target store as the first lady, a shopper seemed to assume she was an employee, asking her to reach an item on shelf.  Her response: "This isn't anything new."


Old ladies ask me all the time to reach things on high shelves in supermarkets, because they are short and I am tall.  It never occurred to me to be offended because of racism.

Posted by Vince on Dec. 17 2014,11:08
< From Truth Revolt >

QUOTE
Being asked to take things off shelves as a taller woman is the new Jim Crow.

But even Michelle Obama doesn’t think this. Two years ago, she told David Letterman about the same incident:


I thought I was undercover. I have to tell you something about this trip though. No one knew that was me because a woman actually walked up to me, right? I was in the detergent aisle, and she said — I kid you not — she said, ‘Excuse me, I just have to ask you something,’ and I thought, ‘Oh, cover’s blown.’ She said, ‘Can you reach on that shelf and hand me the detergent?’  I kid you not…And the only thing she said — I reached up, ’cause she was short, and I reached up, pulled it down — she said, ‘Well, you didn’t have to make it look so easy.’ That was my interaction. I felt so good. ... She had no idea who I was. I thought, as soon as she walked up — I was with my assistant, and I said, ‘This is it, it’s over. We’re going to have to leave.’ She just needed the detergent.

Charming and funny two years ago. Racism now.

Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 17 2014,12:04
QUOTE
Because she didn’t see me as the first lady, she saw me as someone who could help her.

... the implication here is that the first lady should never ... help anyone?

Posted by Troy on Dec. 17 2014,12:08
The point was seeing her as someone who wasn't the first lady, right? Not racism? I missed where she said that.

The Obama in a tux outside a restaurant being asked to get someone's car does have racist undertones, though. It's still about people seeing what they want, or are expecting to see, regardless of the actual situation. "Hey look it's a giant tall woman on aisle 5, I can get her to help me"

This thread is going to be excellent for historical purposes if the Russian economy collapses under Obama's watch. Doesn't even matter that fracking is the real killer, the real cause never gets the credit anyway. Further tinfoil - they know this and are getting out ahead of it by being nice to Cuba all of a sudden.



Posted by Troy on Dec. 17 2014,12:17
Also, I'm too young to feel the ill will towards Cuba that older generations and their representatives feel. I didn't have to hide under desks like my parents in Florida did.

I just want another place I can visit in the Caribbean. Sign me up for some tourism dollars and a mojito.



Posted by GORDON on Dec. 17 2014,12:19

(Troy @ Dec. 17 2014,15:17)
QUOTE
Also, I'm way too young to feel the ill will towards Cuba that older generations and their representatives feel.

I just want another place I can visit in the Caribbean. Sign me up for some tourism dollars and a mojito.

I actually remember the cold war, but I never cared about Cuba.  US policy regarding them always seemed unduly harsh, to me.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 17 2014,12:40
I don't give a fuck about Cuba and figured relations would warm when Castro was out.

As for the racism bullshit, you'll find it 100% of the time if you're always looking for it. How many white people are handed car keys if they're standing by the valet station? I'll bet it's a lot more than black people want to admit.

I don't understand why I'm supposed to be concerned about Obama being tossed some car keys when black people kill far more white people each year than white people kill black people.

Oh sorry, I forgot it's racist to point actual stats like that out.

Posted by Vince on Dec. 17 2014,13:27

(GORDON @ Dec. 17 2014,14:19)
QUOTE

(Troy @ Dec. 17 2014,15:17)
QUOTE
Also, I'm way too young to feel the ill will towards Cuba that older generations and their representatives feel.

I just want another place I can visit in the Caribbean. Sign me up for some tourism dollars and a mojito.

I actually remember the cold war, but I never cared about Cuba.  US policy regarding them always seemed unduly harsh, to me.

I think it's probably too soon still.  One more generation and everyone that was there during the revolution would be dead.  It was a very brutal time for them.  Then we invite them here and offer them a home and offer them the American dream and they take us at our word and do very well for themselves here.  These are the sort of  immigrants we want.

As far as the oil, from what I'm reading and hearing it the Saudis that have more to do with that than anyone.  They are bucking OPEC and keeping production up in order to drive down prices.  OPEC as a whole did that to the US back in the 80's and pretty much killed off domestic drilling here.  It is suspected that the Saudis are doing it this time around to target Russia because of the nuclear (and other) aid they are giving Iran.  If they knock out our fracking industry, that's just a happy byproduct for them.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2014,14:07
QUOTE
US policy regarding them always seemed unduly harsh, to me.

I always figured it was a huge ploy to corner the cigar black market.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 17 2014,14:10
QUOTE
If they knock out our fracking industry, that's just a happy byproduct for them.

We got all the infrastructure in place now.  That cost is paid and done.  I don't see it being disassembled or allowed to deteriorate any time soon.  Even if we need to drop out for a bit, soon as the price goes up we can turn the faucet back on.

Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 22 2014,05:24

(TheCatt @ Dec. 16 2014,15:06)
QUOTE
Part of me wants to believe that Obama is behind this < awesome collapse of Russia and oil prices, > somehow collaborating with OPEC to ruin Russia.  

If that's true, then I can finally give Obama some credit for something.  And if it's not true, well, no shock.

< Putin thinks I'm on to something.  Saudi Arabia says no. >

Saudi Arabia also says it will keep producing lots of oil, so that's good news.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 22 2014,09:50
Putin states his theory like the dudes on all the History Channel shows now.

"Is is possible that it could've been aliens?"

QUOTE
Could it be the agreement between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia to punish Iran and affect the economies of Russia and Venezuela? It could...

Yeah, it could also be aliens.



Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 27 2014,10:32
< Obama > more full of shit than a communal latrine.
QUOTE
“We are safer. It’s not going to be a source of terrorist attacks again.”
Thirteen years and $1 trillion later, the U.S. is preparing to pull the vast majority of its combat troops out of Afghanistan by year’s end, as the U.S. and its partners seek to turn the page on a bloody chapter that started the day that al Qaeda militants struck American soil on Sept. 11, 2011.

13 years and a billion dollars for a place that's going to go down the same toilet as Iraq.  Sounds like anything but victory or safety.  Also, check your fucking dates.  Just come the fuck on.



Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 29 2014,10:21
< Obama >: you ain't getting shit through until I leave.  Oh, and < fuck your wedding >.
QUOTE
It wasn't the first time Obama's plans interfered with a wedding this year. In October, a bride was late to her wedding in Chicago thanks to stalled traffic from the president's motorcade.

Got to fucking halt everything when the American king rolls out.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 02 2015,14:52
Today in the doublethink news...

< More sanctions > on North Korea.  I've heard this song before, but wait, do I detect a slightly different melody?
QUOTE
North Korea was hit with more U.S. sanctions on Friday in response to what Washington said was its role in a cyberattack on Sony Pictures Entertainment, the White House said on Friday.

That runs directly against what most non-governmental computer security nerds say.  But hey, let's trust the feds because they've got a < full staff of the best available personnel >, sort of.  See, they're hiring.
QUOTE
In addition to the standard age (23-36), fitness and background check requirements, cyber agent candidates must also have "a wealth of experience in computers and technology." That encompasses everything from computer programming to what the FBI describes as "ethical hacking." Applications are being accepted through Jan. 20. New hires can expect a starting salary in the range of $59,000-$76,500.

Hear that?  The FBI is looking for physically fit computer security specialists in their mid 20s to 30s who are interested making a fraction of what they could in the private sector.  I have to wonder who's signing up, then a chill goes down my spine.



Posted by GORDON on Jan. 02 2015,16:22
I heard the White House blamed the Sony hack on a youtube video.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 04 2015,11:27
< Hahahahaha >.  Feds pissed about federal regulations.  Karma, motherfuckers.  A reminder that you occasionally swing and miss so hard that the bat comes around and nails you.
QUOTE
The F.B.I. is subjecting hundreds of its employees who were born overseas or have relatives or friends there to an aggressive internal surveillance program that started after Sept. 11, 2001, to prevent foreign spies from coercing newly hired linguists but that has been greatly expanded since then.
...
Some of these employees, including Middle Eastern and Asian personnel who have been hired to fill crucial intelligence and counterterrorism needs, say they are being penalized for possessing the very skills and background that got them hired.

Hilarious.  Unless you're a brown dude working for the FBI.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 09 2015,10:47
< Evil bitch retires >.
QUOTE
California Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer, a tenacious liberal whose election to the Senate in 1992 heralded a new era for women at the upper reaches of political power, announced Thursday she will not seek re-election to a new term next year.

She'll probably get replaced by someone just as clueless.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 09 2015,12:04
Would be funny to see one of the Google millionaires take her place.  Lots of strife between them and the other residents of SanFran.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 18 2015,10:06
< Obama proposes tax increases on the rich. >

QUOTE
Senior White House officials say President Obama will use his state of the union to float several new economic ideas, including tax hikes on capital gains and wealthy inheritances, and new fees on the largest financial firms to pay for more middle class-friendly tax credits and cuts.

The price tag to the wealthiest Americans and those large financial institutions? According to senior White House officials it could be $320 billion over 10 years.

The president will propose raising the capital gains rate to 28 percent, up from 15 percent, which is the maximum most taxpayers pay now.

The president will also call for closing what the officials called "the single biggest loophole in our tax system today: ... the trust fund loophole," which allows portfolios and estates that increase in value to evade certain taxes when passed on to heirs.

What Obama's Proposed Cyber Safeguards Mean for You
Obama Vows to Veto New Iran Sanctions
Obama Sanctions North Korea After Sony Cyberattack

The officials said "hundreds of billions of dollars of capital gains every year go untaxed entirely."

Closing that loophole will mean "every American, even the wealthiest ones, actually pay taxes on the gains," the officials said, adding that 99 percent of the impact of this action would affect only the top 1 percent of taxpayers.

The new proposal would also protect middle class taxpayers by adding exemptions for heirlooms and bequests under $200,000 for couples and property with value under $500,000 for couples.


I think the 15% is a mistake in the article.  I believe it's actually 20%, plus the 3.8% for the Obama tax.  So this would make it 28+3.8% for those making above 500k.

I have no problem with that tax raise, per se.  But I would appreciate it if they would use it to reduce the deficit, rather than
QUOTE
The revenue generated by those changes would fund new tax credits and other cost-saving measures for middle-class taxpayers, officials said.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 18 2015,10:15
The "rich" already use shelters and loopholes and stuff to hide a good chunk of their money anyway, don't they?


Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 18 2015,10:56

(GORDON @ Jan. 18 2015,12:15)
QUOTE
The "rich" already use shelters and loopholes and stuff to hide a good chunk of their money anyway, don't they?

Or they move to a cheaper place.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 18 2015,12:32

(GORDON @ Jan. 18 2015,13:15)
QUOTE
The "rich" already use shelters and loopholes and stuff to hide a good chunk of their money anyway, don't they?

Yes, but he's also proposing clamping down on trusts, which are one way that the rich use shelters.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 20 2015,19:08
< State of the Union. >  I can't stand watching these, but here's my take on what I'm reading:

Taxes: Go ahead and raise taxes on the rich.
Tax breaks: No.  Keep the money from the taxes, and work off the deficit.
Cybersecurity: Yes, maybe - depends on details.
Cuba: I find it hard to care, personally, but the people who were screwed by Cuba have a legit gripe.
Iran - Not a fan of his approach.
Free trade - Yes, please.
Internet access (overriding rules against municipal broadband): Hell yes.

Posted by Vince on Jan. 20 2015,20:39

(TheCatt @ Jan. 20 2015,21:08)
QUOTE
Tax breaks: No.  Keep the money from the taxes, and work off the deficit.

That'll only start to happen when we stop spending more than we're taking in.  Don't see that happening ever again until the dollar collapses.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 21 2015,04:52
< Obama proposes curbing 529s >

Hell no.  Don't change the rules on me after I've already put $ in there.

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 22 2015,10:10
How fucked up are Obama's proposals for cyber security?

< Even something like sharing your HBOGo password could be a felony. >

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 22 2015,10:32
I did grad work in computer security for a reason.  I really, really won't want to have to dust off that knowledge to surf the web on a daily basis.  If the feds wage a cyber war on the citizens, they'll lose big and bad.


Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 22 2015,10:48
< You.  Are.  Shitting.  Me. >
QUOTE
Do smartphone apps facilitating easy meetups for casual sex with near-strangers increase risky sexual behavior?
...
An NIH grant of $432,000 awarded to Columbia University funded a study to this effect last year.

If that study was anything other than walking up to 432,000 people and paying them a dollar each to answer that question, it was overly complex.



Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 22 2015,10:53
< Crazy woman > rants in Congress.
QUOTE
A bill that would redefine a full-time work week under the Affordable Care Act as 40 hours instead of 30 actually amounts to a break for corporations, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) argued in a hearing Thursday.
...
"Big corporations would get to cut health benefits for millions of workers, and push people out of their employer insurance plans. Some of those people will lose their health insurance all together. Others would be pushed onto federal programs, expanding the reach of Obamacare, and taxpayers would get stuck with the tab."

"I'm against adding $53 billion to the deficit so that corporations can push their costs and responsibilities onto the government," Warren added.

Because once you push responsibility onto government, shit never gets done.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 22 2015,11:44
That stupid bitch was told exactly what would happen with the proposed health plan that she voted for.  Her response was that if you opposed it then you were a racist.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 27 2015,12:46
< Drone > piloted by drunk intel worker slams into White House.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 28 2015,05:33

(TheCatt @ Jan. 21 2015,07:52)
QUOTE
< Obama proposes curbing 529s >

Hell no.  Don't change the rules on me after I've already put $ in there.

< Obama gives up on 529 proposal >
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 28 2015,08:05
QUOTE
Another kind of 529, prepaid tuition plans, let savers prepay for future tuition and lock in current prices, but they typically do not cover other expenses.

Holy fuck.

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 29 2015,08:21
Obama's been trying to change course on Cuba negating policies put in place since what, Kennedy?

The MSM has mostly been giving him public handjobs for the move, but < today the other shoe is dropping >.

QUOTE
Cuban President Raul Castro demanded on Wednesday that the United States return the U.S. base at Guantanamo Bay, lift the half-century trade embargo on Cuba and compensate his country for damages before the two nations re-establish normal relations.


I guess it's the thought that counts.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 30 2015,10:19
< Man put on no fly list > after asking why his brother is on it.


Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 31 2015,21:19
QUOTE
"Big corporations would get to cut health benefits for millions of workers, and push people out of their employer insurance plans."

No, it means many of the workers that had their hours cut to 29.5 per week would be able to go back to working 39.5 hours per week and make more money.  At least where I work that was the big impact of Obamacare; we didn't suddenly start handing out health care to part-time instructors, we cut them back and hired more of them to take up the slack.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 02 2015,10:48
< DHS earns more money >.
QUOTE
President Barack Obama used the unveiling of his nearly $4 trillion fiscal 2016 budget on Monday to sharply challenge congressional Republicans to approve funding for the Homeland Security Department

Fuck that department.

EDIT: For the record, last year's DHS budget: US$60.8 billion.



Posted by GORDON on Feb. 04 2015,19:26
Hey we should tax fatties.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....estnews >

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 08 2015,11:17

(Malcolm @ Feb. 02 2015,12:48)
QUOTE
< DHS earns more money >.
QUOTE
President Barack Obama used the unveiling of his nearly $4 trillion fiscal 2016 budget on Monday to sharply challenge congressional Republicans to approve funding for the Homeland Security Department

Fuck that department.

EDIT: For the record, last year's DHS budget: US$60.8 billion.

< Suck a dick and die >.
QUOTE
DHS currently employs around 230,000 individuals. The 30,000 who would be furloughed would primarily be administrative staff.

Because GOD FUCKING FORBID someone's not there to yell at people in airports to remove their shoes.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 08 2015,12:58
I'm kind of proud to say I have stuck to my guns on my airplane boycott.  I did the "shoes and belt off" exactly once in about 2005, and decided I could not suck that particular dick again.

It's the people that tolerate it that are the problem.

Posted by Vince on Feb. 08 2015,14:55
I think the last time I flew was working for Cleo circa 2002 maybe.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 09 2015,10:55
I'm forced to fly at least twice a year.  I should be legally allowed to kick every TSA agent I see in the face at least once.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 09 2015,11:01
< Obama blames > media for political polarization.  Yeah, it's certainly not his bullshit rhetoric.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 09 2015,11:27
Well, it's true, if it wasn't for Fox News there would not be two poles at all.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 09 2015,11:44

(GORDON @ Feb. 08 2015,14:58)
QUOTE
I'm kind of proud to say I have stuck to my guns on my airplane boycott.  I did the "shoes and belt off" exactly once in about 2005, and decided I could not suck that particular dick again.

It's the people that tolerate it that are the problem.

I know some people that paid to go through the TSA pre-screen line.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 10 2015,10:14
< New gov't > agency going to be announced because I guess we have too much money lying around and no existing organization fits the bill.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 11 2015,08:45
< Really >?
QUOTE
In a five-paragraph letter to lawmakers accompanying the three-page draft resolution provided to The Associated Press, Obama said the Islamic State "poses a threat to the people and stability of Iraq, Syria and the broader Middle East and to U.S. national security."

Your solution is to go into this region of the world yet again and try to interfere in just the right way to fix this problem but not create more?

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 11 2015,12:34
< VA > still a piece of shit.
QUOTE
The VA hasn’t fully addressed more than 100 of the accountability office’s recommendations, some stretching back more than a decade including those that have reportedly harmed veterans, according to the report.

Posted by Leisher on Feb. 13 2015,12:12
< Biden has a "butt buddy". >

Want proof of the MSM's left leaning bias? Look no further than Biden. This guy makes Dan Quail seem presidential, yet the MSM doesn't give him nearly as much shit as they gave Quail.

Posted by Vince on Feb. 13 2015,13:14
I could stop laughing every time I went to Drudge and saw that story link.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 16 2015,09:36
< Obama working hard >.

< Shutdown.  Shutdown >.  Naturally both sides blame each other and no one will even think of any plan that cuts funding.

QUOTE
The critical government agency – tasked with overseeing everything from the Transportation Security Administration airport screenings
...
Funding for the vital agency is being tied to the heart of battle over President Obama’s executive actions on immigration..
...
“The American people didn’t give us the majority to have a fight between House and Senate Republicans,” Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain said Sunday on “Meet the Press,” “We cannot cut funding for the Department of Homeland Security.”

This is why I don't vote.  No one who runs for office is fit to be a public servant anymore.  Look at the fuckwit retards that make up Congress.  And McCain is one of the brighter bulbs over there.



Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 16 2015,20:15
This is why any representative government HAS to have a none of the above option in every election.  I strongly suspect the majority of "apathetic" non-voters would be thrilled to vote if you offered them a candidate that wasn't total shit.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 16 2015,20:28

(TPRJones @ Feb. 16 2015,22:15)
QUOTE
This is why any representative government HAS to have a none of the above option in every election.  I strongly suspect the majority of "apathetic" non-voters would be thrilled to vote if you offered them a candidate that wasn't total shit.

Fine, as long as "none of the above" getting a significant minority has actual consequences.  Until then, I stand by Bender Bending Rodriguez, "Voting is for losers."
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 17 2015,11:45
< Bitchslapped >.
QUOTE
The ruling comes as Congress debates how to extend funding authority for the Department of Homeland Security. House Republicans have passed a bill that funds the department through September but blocks funding to enforce any of Obama's executive actions. Senate Democrats have threatened a filibuster, and the White House has threatened a veto.

Watch the bipartisanship in motion.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 19 2015,11:16
< Yeah, >we have illegal, warrantless wiretaps for that.
QUOTE
"So in our work, we have to make sure that abuses stop, are not repeated, that we do not stigmatize entire communities," Obama said. "Nobody should be profiled under a cloud of suspicion simply because of their faith."

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 20 2015,11:07
< Oops >.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 20 2015,11:28
After 7 years, it's still amateur hour.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 22 2015,12:16

(Malcolm @ Feb. 17 2015,13:45)
QUOTE
< Bitchslapped >.
QUOTE
The ruling comes as Congress debates how to extend funding authority for the Department of Homeland Security. House Republicans have passed a bill that funds the department through September but blocks funding to enforce any of Obama's executive actions. Senate Democrats have threatened a filibuster, and the White House has threatened a veto.

Watch the bipartisanship in motion.

< Let the > political deep throating commence.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 23 2015,11:05

(Malcolm @ Feb. 22 2015,14:16)
QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Feb. 17 2015,13:45)
QUOTE
< Bitchslapped >.
QUOTE
The ruling comes as Congress debates how to extend funding authority for the Department of Homeland Security. House Republicans have passed a bill that funds the department through September but blocks funding to enforce any of Obama's executive actions. Senate Democrats have threatened a filibuster, and the White House has threatened a veto.

Watch the bipartisanship in motion.

< Let the > political deep throating commence.

< Yup >.

QUOTE
A new $39.7 billion budget for the department...


Nearly $40B to keep me from bringing toothpaste onto a plane.  Go fuck yourselves.



Posted by Leisher on Feb. 23 2015,11:42
QUOTE
"It will have a direct impact on your economy, and it will have a direct impact on America's national security because their hard work helps to keep us safe," Obama said in a speech to a meeting of state governors at the White House.


Ok, let's say you're 100% correct.

QUOTE
Republican-authored provisions that aim to block any spending on Obama's recent executive orders, which lift the threat of deportation from millions of undocumented immigrants.


Can you tell me how much your executive order and the millions of undocumented immigrants are going to affect my economy?

In all seriousness, if he's going to say the Republicans are about to fuck the economy by blocking his executive order, shouldn't he be able to answer that question?

Posted by Vince on Feb. 23 2015,15:47
Compromise means getting what he wants.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 24 2015,10:47
< Both parties > still putting on knee pads to get votes.
QUOTE
Democratic Senator Barbara Mikulski said Homeland Security employees are working this winter in harsh conditions.  She said, "They're out there saving lives and we are playing parliamentary ping-pong.''



Also, < dude lies about military service >.
QUOTE
Veterans Affairs Secretary Robert McDonald has admitted that he lied about serving in the special operations forces in a conversation with a homeless veteran that was caught on camera earlier this year.



Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 24 2015,11:59
Sure, but the homeless aren't really people so it doesn't count.


Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 24 2015,12:37
While the donkeys are busying fondling the left testicle, the pachyderms go for the right.
QUOTE
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told reporters he was prepared to move swiftly on a bill to extend funding for DHS through the fiscal year that is not contingent on Republican demands to repeal President Obama’s executive actions on immigration.

Posted by GORDON on Feb. 26 2015,12:52
ATF planning on banning 556 ammo.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....5-rifle >

Can't ban the gun, so they're banning the bullets.

Posted by Leisher on Feb. 27 2015,06:31
< IRS scandal still being ignored. >

Most transparent administration ever.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 27 2015,12:39
< It's the final countdown >.
QUOTE
House leaders had hoped to hold a vote on the bill early Friday afternoon, but postponed it amid fears that they lacked votes for passage.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 28 2015,09:05

(Malcolm @ Feb. 27 2015,14:39)
QUOTE
< It's the final countdown >.
QUOTE
House leaders had hoped to hold a vote on the bill early Friday afternoon, but postponed it amid fears that they lacked votes for passage.

< And ..... FUCK CONGRESS >.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 06 2015,15:05
< US's rockin' health care >, letting people die without telling them valuable info.
QUOTE
That's because hospitals don't have a legal obligation to tell patients about the presence of pathogens - even antibiotic- resistant bacteria

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 17 2015,10:31
< Transparency >.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 17 2015,10:51

(Malcolm @ Mar. 17 2015,13:31)
QUOTE
< Transparency >.

That's my favorite news story of the day (although I first heard it last night).

< Here's the Washington Post breaking down how Obama's administration has been transparent, but not as transparent as it thinks. > That article's a bit biased. They seem to do a lot of "blame W" and don't even mention the new FOIA rule change.

What's more interesting to me is who's reporting this rule change. < A quick Google search > shows USA Today, FOX, right wing outlets, but where is CNN, MSNBC, and other left leaning news agencies? They must be too busy not being biased at all to report on something that's painting a negative light on Obama's administration.

And hey look, the FOIA rules just happen to be changing when the Dems top candidate for 2016 is under fire over emails.

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 17 2015,12:54
The EPA is eyeballing your backyard grill.

< http://www.foxnews.com/leisure....ackyard >

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 17 2015,12:55
The EPA is eyeballing how long you spend in the shower in hotels.

< http://www.foxnews.com/politic....-shower >

Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 17 2015,21:12
Can we "modify the behavior" of the EPA into fucking off?
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 17 2015,21:16

(TPRJones @ Mar. 18 2015,00:12)
QUOTE
Can we "modify the behavior" of the EPA into fucking off?

It's one of Obama's favorite "Executive Order" sources.  So no, the EPA is safe for now.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 18 2015,10:29

(Malcolm @ Mar. 17 2015,12:31)
QUOTE
< Transparency >.

< More >.
QUOTE
The Obama administration—often mocked for its promise that it would be the most transparent administration in history—said that in 91 percent of cases the government released all or part of the documents requested.
...
But the AP said the 91 percent figure doesn’t include instances where the document was lost, when the requester couldn’t or wouldn’t pay for copies, or when the document request was “determined to be improper under the law,” and is lower than any other year Obama has been in office.

Cook those books.

Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 18 2015,12:34
Wait, if they're leaving out all the times they didn't release documents then what is that other 9%?
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 18 2015,12:45

(TPRJones @ Mar. 18 2015,14:34)
QUOTE
Wait, if they're leaving out all the times they didn't release documents then what is that other 9%?

Those are the times they sent someone out to "disappear" the person making the request.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2015,06:01
Obama would like mandatory voting.

< http://www.jammiewf.com/2015....-voting >

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 19 2015,07:25
QUOTE
universal voting would “counteract money more than anything.”

I'd love to hear that chain of logic.

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2015,08:23
This story make me think about Saddam Hussein's elections and how he'd win 100% of the vote.

I mean, it's not a huge leap from "You must vote" to "You must vote for X".

Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 19 2015,08:34
Bah!  The last thing we need is more uninformed voters just checking a party ticket so they don't get fined.  Fuck that.

And until there's a None of the Above option I absolutely refuse to participate by voting for candidates I don't like.

Posted by Vince on Mar. 19 2015,08:44
Why wouldn't establishment powers want more low information voters?
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 19 2015,08:46

(Vince @ Mar. 19 2015,10:44)
QUOTE
Why wouldn't establishment powers want more low information voters?

I've been saying that while pointing at the American education system for years.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 19 2015,08:57

Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 19 2015,09:16

(Vince @ Mar. 19 2015,10:44)
QUOTE
Why wouldn't establishment powers want more low information voters?

Rock the Vote!

Working at a college there's always a big voter registration drive every four years and everyone is expected to help.  And I always refuse because it's just a way for incumbents to dig in more securely by recruiting more uninformed voters.

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2015,13:02
They should change the voting age to whenever you finally get off your parent's health insurance plan.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 19 2015,13:11

(GORDON @ Mar. 19 2015,15:02)
QUOTE
They should change the voting age to whenever you finally get off your parent's health insurance plan.

And cell phone plan, and move out of their basement, etc.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 19 2015,13:44
I think the health insurance is good enough, usually a good indicator of how you're doing financially.  And, it is icing on the cake since Obamacare increased that age to 25.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 20 2015,10:44
< ATF > dude resigns over bullet ban.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 20 2015,11:06
< CDC is a joke >.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 21 2015,09:41
< Racism >.
QUOTE
"I think race certainly can be considered a major factor in the delay," said Rep. G.K. Butterfield (D-N.C.), chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, on Tuesday.

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 22 2015,17:11
QUOTE
> Bob: “Did you hear about the Obama administration scandal?,

> Jim: “You mean the Mexican gun running?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “You mean SEAL Team 6?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “You mean the State Dept. lying about Benghazi?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “You mean voter fraud?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “You mean the military not getting their votes counted?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “You mean the of drones in our own country without the benefit of the law?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million and right after it declared bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “You mean the president arming the Muslim Brotherhood?”

> Bob: “No the other one:.

> Jim: “The IRS targeting conservatives?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “The DOJ spying on the press?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “Sebelius shaking down health insurance executives?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “Giving SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 months later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “The president’s ordering the release of nearly 10,000 illegal immigrants from jails and prisons, and falsely blaming the sequester?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “The president’s threat to impose gun control by Executive Order in order to bypass Congress?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “The president’s repeated violation of the law requiring him to submit a budget no later than the first Monday in February?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “The 2012 vote where 115% of all registered voters in some counties voted 100% for Obama?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “The president’s unconstitutional recess appointments in an attempt to circumvent the Senate’s advise-and-consent role?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “Clinton, the IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?”

> Bob: “No, the other one.”

> Jim: “I give up! … Oh wait, I think I got it! You mean that 65 million low-information voters who don’t pay taxes and get free stuff from taxpayers and stuck us again with the most pandering, corrupt administration in American history?”

> Bob: “THAT’S THE ONE!”

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 22 2015,17:59
Thinking about throwing this pic up on the front page to replace whatever is still there.


Posted by Vince on Mar. 23 2015,05:13
I think when all is said and done with the Middle East and Russia, Obama's legacy will be as another Neville Chamberlain.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 23 2015,10:10
You should throw that photo and the "scandal" conversation on the front page.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 23 2015,20:13
FEMA to deny funds to states whose governors will not kiss the Sacred Global Warming Ring.

< http://www.philly.com/philly....rs.html >

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 24 2015,10:16
< The fuck >?

So, we've got the normal story of cops being complete assholes and legally stealing someone's things...
QUOTE
It all started with an incident in September, when police seized Block’s 2003 BMW 325Ci because they suspected she was high on weed, her attorney, Michael Lamonsoff said. Lamonsoff said cops didn’t find any weed, but still confiscated the car. NYPD declined to comment to the Daily News.


But aside from that routine violation of civil rights perpetrated by cops everywhere every damn day...
QUOTE
The master treatment plan included group therapy, forced injections of sedatives and doses of lithium, according to medical records. And the final objective?

“Patient will verbalize the importance of education for employment and will state that Obama is not following her on Twitter,” according to the master treatment plan.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 28 2015,10:28
< Hillary's private email server > probably maintained by the same dudes the IRS uses.
QUOTE
“We learned today, from her attorney, Secretary Clinton unilaterally decided to wipe her server clean and permanently delete all emails from her personal server,” Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) said in a statement Friday.

Nixon blanks out a few minutes, national scandal for decades to come.  Hillary blanks 30 thousand emails.  No one gives a fuck.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 01 2015,11:17
< Why Harry Reid > was a douche.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2015,10:55
< Using his kid as fodder >.
QUOTE
President Obama told ABC’s “Good Morning America” that global warming gave his daughter, Malia, asthma when she was a toddler.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2015,10:57
I've asked this before, but I will revisit: is he a moron or a liar?
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2015,11:02

(GORDON @ Apr. 08 2015,12:57)
QUOTE
I've asked this before, but I will revisit: is he a moron or a liar?

What makes them mutually exclusive?
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2015,11:08

(Malcolm @ Apr. 08 2015,14:02)
QUOTE

(GORDON @ Apr. 08 2015,12:57)
QUOTE
I've asked this before, but I will revisit: is he a moron or a liar?

What makes them mutually exclusive?

I think lying trumps being a moron.

I prefer an honest moron to a lying sack of shit.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2015,11:09
Lying shows the potential for intelligence that stupidity doesn't.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2015,11:12

(Malcolm @ Apr. 08 2015,14:09)
QUOTE
Lying shows the potential for intelligence that stupidity doesn't.

But what does it matter if you can't trust them?  They're more likely to be evil and destroy you for whatever reason.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2015,11:15
"more likely..."

I like those odds, I've beaten worse.  The moron has reached the apex of his abilities, and his uncontrollable honesty is a symptom.  Lying is a vital skill and I don't begrudge someone for practicing it.  When they do it badly or to my detriment and I find out, then I get annoyed.  You talk about deception like it's a 100% negative thing.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2015,11:18

(Malcolm @ Apr. 08 2015,14:15)
QUOTE
"more likely..."

I like those odds, I've beaten worse.  The moron has reached the apex of his abilities, and his uncontrollable honesty is a symptom.  Lying is a vital skill and I don't begrudge someone for practicing it.  When they do it badly or to my detriment and I find out, then I get annoyed.  You talk about deception like it's a 100% negative thing.

When it comes to the President, it is.  It was never in his job description to be the shadiest president in American history, but he's embraced it and is sprinting with it.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2015,11:26

(GORDON @ Apr. 08 2015,13:18)
QUOTE

(Malcolm @ Apr. 08 2015,14:15)
QUOTE
"more likely..."

I like those odds, I've beaten worse.  The moron has reached the apex of his abilities, and his uncontrollable honesty is a symptom.  Lying is a vital skill and I don't begrudge someone for practicing it.  When they do it badly or to my detriment and I find out, then I get annoyed.  You talk about deception like it's a 100% negative thing.

When it comes to the President, it is.  It was never in his job description to be the shadiest president in American history, but he's embraced it and is sprinting with it.

Lying is still important, even to the prez.  Or perhaps we should tell everyone about all the spying shit we still do to them.
Posted by Vince on Apr. 08 2015,11:31
Lying is important when you're a sack of shit sociopath.  Normal people with an ounce of worth generally don't have to resort to it.  Only scumbags do.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2015,11:40
Yeah, that.

People have different yardsticks for measuring the contents of others' personalities, for me the primary trait I look at is integrity.  If you are a lying sack of shit, I don't like you.  This eliminates hypocrites, too... which is why I ask, "Moron, or liar?"

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2015,11:54

(Vince @ Apr. 08 2015,13:31)
QUOTE
Lying is important when you're a sack of shit sociopath.  Normal people with an ounce of worth generally don't have to resort to it.  Only scumbags do.

Wrong.  It's entirely false that only people with something to hide don't tell the whole truth or engage in lying.

Or is everyone who plays poker and bluffs a sociopath?  Am I being one when I lie to the dumb-ass DBAs at work so my requests get handled with a minimum of bureaucratic bullshit?

QUOTE
People have different yardsticks for measuring the contents of others' personalities, for me the primary trait I look at is integrity.

Liars can have lots of integrity, depending on the situation at hand.



Posted by Vince on Apr. 08 2015,13:08

(Malcolm @ Apr. 08 2015,13:54)
QUOTE
Wrong.  It's entirely false that only people with something to hide don't tell the whole truth or engage in lying.

One of the most defective personalities I've ever known actually lied most when there was no reason to do so.  He was a person of low character.  A pathological liar with a bad drug habit.

QUOTE
Or is everyone who plays poker and bluffs a sociopath?
I don't lie when I play poker and I bluff.  Acting a particular way and letting the person observing you draw their own conclusions is a different beast than lying.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2015,13:23
QUOTE
Acting a particular way and letting the person observing you draw their own conclusions is a different beast than lying.

You need a microscope to split that hair any further.  So only verbal lies count?

QUOTE
One of the most defective personalities I've ever known actually lied most when there was no reason to do so.  He was a person of low character.  A pathological liar with a bad drug habit.

One shitty example does not a rule make.  I'm sure there are some assholes who are honest, too.  A human without the ability to deceive is psychologically defenseless.



Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2015,13:50

(Malcolm @ Apr. 08 2015,13:55)
QUOTE
< Using his kid as fodder >.
QUOTE
President Obama told ABC’s “Good Morning America” that global warming gave his daughter, Malia, asthma when she was a toddler.

Someone tweeted, "Hey Obama, you know what really DOES cause asthma?  Living with a father who smokes."
Posted by Vince on Apr. 08 2015,14:22

(Malcolm @ Apr. 08 2015,15:23)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Acting a particular way and letting the person observing you draw their own conclusions is a different beast than lying.

You need a microscope to split that hair any further.  So only verbal lies count?

Okay, let me try a different approach on this.  If you kick someone in the chest during a boxing match, that's a dick move.  In a martial arts match it's to be expected.  If in regular life you try to bankrupt people for sport, that's a dick move.  If you're playing Monopoly, it's kind of expected.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2015,14:38
So ... lying depends on the context of things?  As long as it's built into the rules, it's cool?  I bet you give Santa, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny a free pass, too.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2015,14:39
QUOTE
If in regular life you try to bankrupt people for sport, that's a dick move.

Hypothetically, what if the people being bankrupted are douchebags paying cash to the families of suicide bombers?

Posted by Vince on Apr. 08 2015,14:41
Hypothetically, if $100 bills shot out my ass I'd have lots more friends and put up with a lot less bullshit.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2015,16:17

(Vince @ Apr. 08 2015,16:41)
QUOTE
Hypothetically, if $100 bills shot out my ass I'd have lots more friends and put up with a lot less bullshit.

You're not answering the question.

If I found a way to bankrupt people like that in court and then started doing that, am I a dick?  My scenario is a lot more realistic than yours.

Let's pick something more contemporary.  Is the protagonist from Dexter a dick?  He's a serial killer that hides from the law.

All those guys who've been shot for giving info the enemy during war, I guess sociopaths executed them.  All the spies we've had that have been double agents for us, I suppose they're sociopaths, too.  They lie for a living.  And undercover cops.



Posted by GORDON on Apr. 08 2015,16:43
Is it lying if it is your job?

Oh snap, I just excused the entire government.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2015,16:51

(GORDON @ Apr. 08 2015,18:43)
QUOTE
Is it lying if it is your job?

Oh snap, I just excused the entire government.

Lies are a tool.  Just like guns.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 09 2015,10:20
< That Iran deal sounds awesome >.
QUOTE
Iran’s supreme leader declared on Thursday that all economic sanctions would have to be lifted on the day any nuclear agreement is signed and that military sites would be strictly off limits to foreign inspectors.

I can see the first inspection.

"So you've got one, two ... two non-military sites, and the other 90% are military, I guess?"

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 09 2015,10:32
< Perhaps the only thing > Obama and I agree on.


Posted by GORDON on Apr. 09 2015,11:04

(Malcolm @ Apr. 09 2015,13:20)
QUOTE
< That Iran deal sounds awesome >.
QUOTE
Iran’s supreme leader declared on Thursday that all economic sanctions would have to be lifted on the day any nuclear agreement is signed and that military sites would be strictly off limits to foreign inspectors.

I can see the first inspection.

"So you've got one, two ... two non-military sites, and the other 90% are military, I guess?"

FRANCE walked away from the negotiating table.  That deal was probably rock solid.
Posted by Vince on Apr. 09 2015,11:29
I honestly can't understand what they've even shooting for with this deal.  Makes no sense at all.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 26 2015,11:08
< Incompetent department > demands more money.
QUOTE
In another example of the VA’s lack of progress, the Associated Press last month published an analysis of how well the department has performed since Congress passed the emergency funding package last year. It concluded that, so far, not much has changed.

Why can't they just admit they don't give a fuck what happens to soldiers when they return home?  If they did, qualified people would be put in charge of the department, it wouldn't run rampant with corruption and bureaucracy, and it would get enough cash.

It would take a fraction of the manpower and resources that Obama used to staff his first campaign.



Posted by GORDON on Apr. 26 2015,16:51
It's already well established that to suggest the government or a department of the government is run poorly makes one a racist.  The media backs that position.   There's absolutely nothing for it.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 27 2015,05:55
DHS being tasked to speed up Green Card naturalizations before the 2016 elections so they can vote for democrats.

Or something.

That's what (the) Fox say.

< http://insider.foxnews.com/2015....at-2016 >

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 27 2015,05:57

(GORDON @ Apr. 26 2015,19:51)
QUOTE
It's already well established that to suggest the government or a department of the government is run poorly makes one a racist.  The media backs that position.   There's absolutely nothing for it.

Don't like Common Core?  Racist.

< http://www.nationalreview.com/article....-french >

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 27 2015,10:14
< Transparency >.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 29 2015,12:28
< 6400 "lost" IRS emails found. Only Fox and CNN care. >

ABC, NBC, and CBS ignore the story and just can't figure out why nobody watches their news programs anymore.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 29 2015,12:37
Where the fuck were these 6400 messages hiding?  How'd they get recovered?

QUOTE
Regarding efforts in Congress to punish her for not testifying, he said: “It is unfortunate that the majority party in the House put politics before a citizen’s constitutional rights.”

Goddamn.

Posted by Malcolm on May 01 2015,10:26
< House > shows their disdain for sick vets.  How very Republican of them.
QUOTE
By a slim margin of 213-210, the House voted against an amendment Thursday to allow doctors to discuss cannabis with patients in states where medical marijuana is legal.

Fuck you, vets, you're taking our overpriced pills with a laundry list of side effects a mile fucking long.

Posted by GORDON on May 01 2015,17:16
Obama has given control of the Persian Gulf to Iran.

< http://www.nationalreview.com/corner....ng-west >

Posted by GORDON on May 05 2015,15:14
Conservative targeted by IRS, claims to have proof.

< http://www.foxnews.com/opinion....spiracy >

Posted by Malcolm on May 05 2015,15:28
Hope he recorded all those conversations.  Hope he's also independently wealthy and likes spending time in court.
Posted by Malcolm on May 07 2015,10:05
< Appeals Court > fucks NSA.
QUOTE
Writing for a three-judge panel, Circuit Judge Gerard Lynch said Section 215 of the Patriot Act governing the collection of records to fight terrorism did not authorize what he called the NSA's collection of a "staggering" amount of information, contrary to claims by the Bush and Obama administrations.

Go fuck yourself, US intelligence community.

Posted by Malcolm on May 10 2015,19:59
< Mitch McConnell > announces to the entire world that he has shit for brains.
QUOTE
The Patriot Act’s counter-terrorism measure, Section 215, is set to expire on June 1, and McConnell is seeking to extend it through 2020.

Fucking seriously.  Even when we build in sunset dates to legislation, it's fucking IMPOSSIBLE to let them die.  Even when it uses the Bill of Rights for toilet paper.  Even when it gives birth to the most far-reaching, unnecessary, and illegal domestic spying in this country's history.

Yeah, let's keep that shit going.  This completely bullshit piece of law will live on in eternity.  Fuck both parties, may every member of Congress drop dead immediately and rot in hell.  Thanks for creating this, you fuckwit, Bush the lesser.  Thanks for keeping the lie alive, you asswipe sellout, Obama.



Posted by GORDON on May 13 2015,06:16
DEA makes a lot of money stealing from random people who have no recourse.

< http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs....a-crime >

QUOTE
The practice has proven to be controversial. Earlier this year, then-U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced measures restricting the use of some types of civil asset forfeiture.

...

The Obama administration has generally pushed forward on criminal justice reform.


Too bad he wont just tell them to stop doing it.

Posted by Malcolm on May 13 2015,07:27
QUOTE
There is no presumption of innocence under civil asset forfeiture laws. Rather, law enforcement officers only need to have a suspicion -- in practice, often a vague one -- that a person is involved with illegal activity in order to seize their property. On the highway, for instance, police may cite things like tinted windows, air fresheners or trash in the car, according to a Washington Post investigation last year.

Yep, sounds legit.  Air freshener = covering up drugs.  Fuck this country's entire justice system from top to bottom.  Corrupt, bloated, greedy, and lazy.

Posted by Vince on May 13 2015,08:48

(GORDON @ May 13 2015,08:16)
QUOTE
DEA makes a lot of money stealing from random people who have no recourse.

< http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs....a-crime >

QUOTE
The practice has proven to be controversial. Earlier this year, then-U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder announced measures restricting the use of some types of civil asset forfeiture.

...

The Obama administration has generally pushed forward on criminal justice reform.


Too bad he wont just tell them to stop doing it.

Saw an article yesterday where the IRS is doing the same thing.

You're grandparents were right.  Keep your money in your damned mattress.

Posted by Leisher on May 14 2015,21:29
[URL=Other Arab nations want nukes if the U.S. is going to let Iran keep working towards them.]My Webpage[/URL]

That article buries that news under the intentional snubbing the Saudis did to Obama.

This administration is a disaster.

Posted by Malcolm on May 18 2015,10:17
< Cops will have to do > without grenade launchers and other sundries.
Posted by GORDON on May 18 2015,14:29
IRS took $107k from this guy because his bank deposits weren't big enough.

< http://tinyurl.com/o3w8d9l >

Posted by Vince on May 18 2015,14:34
QUOTE
McLellan himself doesn’t handle the deposits—that’s his niece’s responsibility—and a bank teller had previously advised her to make deposits of less than that amount. If cash deposits totaled more than $10,000, the bank had to file additional paperwork, the teller said.


I saw this happened to another business and they'd been depositing less than $10k at a time because their insurance only covered up to that if they were robbed.

Posted by Malcolm on May 18 2015,17:13
Convenient how they only catch it after he did it a couple dozen times.
Posted by Leisher on May 18 2015,19:45
< http://dailysignal.com/2015....e-owner >

They're giving him the money back and dropped the lawsuit.

But...

QUOTE
Though the government will return all of the money it seized from McLellan, it dismissed the case without covering the store owner’s legal fees and expenses, as well as interest on the money.

In 2000, Congress passed a law that entitles McLellan to those fees and expenses, which total more than $20,000.

Additionally, government policies require the $107,702 seized is kept in an interest-bearing account. Though McLellan will receive the money, the government wants to keep the interest earned.


I mean, that surpasses James Bond villain level evilness. Dr. Evil would approve.

Posted by TheCatt on May 19 2015,06:08
Fucking hell, government -> Get your shit together, and give the dude the $.
Posted by Malcolm on May 19 2015,10:15
< Overpaid, greedy, corrupt > anal discharge of a person thinks he's not overpaid enough.
QUOTE
Members feel "that on the salary that they make, they're going to be unable to send their children to college," he added.

Yeah, I can understand that pain.  It must be unbearable.

QUOTE
Members of Congress are paid $174,000 annually, and haven't enjoyed a pay raise since 2009.


QUOTE
In contrast, an American household's median net worth was estimated at $56,355 in a 2014 study.


QUOTE
Hastings himself is the second-poorest member of Congress, per CRP, with an estimated net worth of negative $2.23 million. But the personal story he used to illustrate his pitch is unlikely to win many Americans over. He described his experience renting a $2,100 apartment in a modern condo building in Northeast D.C. that eventually became too expensive for him.


This is why I don't vote.  Because it doesn't matter who I support, some cunt twat like this wins every seat.

Posted by Malcolm on May 19 2015,19:35
< DoD > spends $1M on gambling, booze, strippers.
Posted by Malcolm on May 20 2015,10:14
< FBI pissed they can't > read your shit whenever they want.
QUOTE
The FBI has been leading the charge against what Comey calls the “going dark” problem.

As companies like Apple and Google encrypt their devices and products so that not even they can access the data, law enforcement officials claim they are being thwarted from obtaining data during investigations, even when armed with a warrant.

Choke on a cock, you cum guzzling loser.  Oh, wait, he's also a world class computer scientist and mathematician.
QUOTE
Security experts unanimously argue that any guaranteed access to encryption will create a vulnerability likely to be exploited by nefarious actors.

Comey brushed aside the concern.

“Technical people say it’s too hard,” he said. “My reaction to that is, really? Really too hard? Too hard for the people we have in his country to figure something out? I’m not that pessimistic.”

It doesn't matter how blindingly stupid and unwavering your misplaced nationalism is, it doesn't change concrete computational laws.  If you can't wrap your brain around that fact, you're too mentally incompetent to be employed by any security organization.

Go fuck off find other ways to get your info without fatally crippling digital privacy.  Or is that too hard?  Do you suck so much ass at your job that we will be effectively forced to leave a back door unlocked for you at all times?



Posted by TPRJones on May 20 2015,11:28
Yeah, that's like insisting that every bank vault should have additional access through a simple screen door, but it's okay because you'll put a sign on it that says "FBI only" so no one will walk in and take everything.

Far too stupid to be worth his paycheck.



Posted by Malcolm on May 21 2015,11:33
< Not enough cash > for VA hospital.
QUOTE
The half-finished hospital is expected to cost $1.73 billion to complete, nearly triple the estimates the VA gave last year.


Wonder where they could find some < extra > < cash >?
QUOTE
Federal resources totaling $1.4 billion support education and outreach programs that are intended to discourage the use of controlled substances, while encouraging community outreach efforts focused on getting those who have begun to use illicit drugs to cease their use. This represents a 5 percent increase ($69.6 million) over the FY 2012 level


Department of Homeland Security, total 2014 budget: ~$60 BILLION dollars.  So, in short, fuck the military and their families.  We have shoes to check at the airport and stoners to jail.
QUOTE
The VA has said it needs another $830 million to finish the project as designed and wanted to siphon the money from a fund Congress set up to resolve another scandal, long wait times for veterans to get health care.

Republicans and Democrats have balked, saying the VA needs to come up with a different funding plan and fire those responsible for the massive overruns.

Funny how they don't level those accusations at the DHS or DEA.  Just to reiterate, Congress cares less about disabled vets than they do about making sure you don't take toothpaste onto an airplane.



Posted by Malcolm on May 22 2015,11:03

(TPRJones @ May 20 2015,13:28)
QUOTE
Yeah, that's like insisting that every bank vault should have additional access through a simple screen door, but it's okay because you'll put a sign on it that says "FBI only" so no one will walk in and take everything.

Far too stupid to be worth his paycheck.

Gee, I wonder < why > the FBI wants encryption toned down.
Posted by Malcolm on May 25 2015,09:04
< Anyone > believe this?
QUOTE
The Obama administration has decided not to ask a secret court for a 90-day extension of Section 215 in the Patriot Act...

Transparency.

Posted by GORDON on May 25 2015,16:02
They always have the loophole to allow the U.K. to spy on America's shit, and vice versa, and then share the data.  We'll never be truly secure in our privacy in this country again.
Posted by Leisher on May 26 2015,10:22
< Bob Woodward (yes, that one) defneds Bush's WMD reasoning on Iraq and says Obama made a mistake pulling troops. >

Strong statements from a left wing journalist.

Posted by GORDON on May 26 2015,10:31

(Leisher @ May 26 2015,13:22)
QUOTE
< Bob Woodward (yes, that one) defneds Bush's WMD reasoning on Iraq and says Obama made a mistake pulling troops. >

Strong statements from a left wing journalist.

Once or twice a year I will be exposed to some conversation here or there full of people who are lying, or were just too young to remember, the run-up to the second Gulf War.  When the "bush lied" tropes are thrown out, I copy and paste this post:

< http://www.dtman.com/archives_2005q2.htm#20050603_1 >

With all the quotes from every democrat in DC.  It usually shuts people up, and I like planting those, "Could I be mistaken about all of this?" seeds in peoples' brains.

I like to think my post may have gotten to Woodward. :-D

Posted by Malcolm on May 26 2015,10:41
QUOTE
"We have 30,000 troops or more in South Korea still, 65 years or so after the war," Woodward said. "When you’re a superpower, you have to buy these insurance policies, and he didn’t in this case. I don’t think you can say everything is because of that decision — but clearly a factor."

Fuck that noise.  We're not leaving a few tens of thousands of troops for the next couple centuries in every fucking place we go to.

Posted by Malcolm on May 26 2015,10:47
< Congress pleads incompetence >.
Posted by Leisher on May 26 2015,10:57
All you had to do was get the names of the uninsured and shop them to insurance companies and buy the lowest plan quoted.

That's it. End of fucking story.

Instead you incompetent boobs created a massive, convoluted, steaming pile of shit called The Affordable Care Act that actually punishes people with jobs and/or their own insurance.

Fuck you.

Posted by GORDON on May 26 2015,11:15

(Leisher @ May 26 2015,13:57)
QUOTE
Instead you incompetent boobs created a massive, convoluted, steaming pile of shit called The Affordable Care Act that actually punishes people with jobs and/or their own insurance.

Fuck you.

That is exactly what was intended.  The people able to afford their own insurance are now required to help someone else pay for their insurance, as well.  When people opposed to Obamacare pointed this out, that there was no way in hell this was going to make insurance more affordable, they were called racists.
Posted by Malcolm on May 27 2015,10:09
< Obama: > trust us, we swear we'll get warrants this time.
QUOTE
Under that plan, phone companies would store their customers' metadata and the NSA would need to obtain a specific, targeted warrant to get a customer's data.

Fucking liar.

Posted by Leisher on May 28 2015,21:14
< China talking tough. >
Posted by Malcolm on May 29 2015,07:24

(Leisher @ May 28 2015,23:14)
QUOTE
< China talking tough. >

Eh, they just want someone else to pay for their population control.
Posted by Malcolm on May 30 2015,11:37
< 12:01am, bitches >.
Posted by TPRJones on May 30 2015,13:59
I'm starting to like him more and more.

Sure, there's lots of ways that he sucks, but he's at least got some standards.  Unlike everyone else in that shithole called Congress.

Posted by GORDON on May 30 2015,14:34
Aren't we at a point, though, when government employees caught breaking the law are just promoted? I don't think the expiration means anything, they'll just do what they want, anyway.
Posted by GORDON on May 30 2015,20:01
Obamacare overhead: $273 billion over the next 7 years.

< http://www.atr.org/new-rep....billion >

I wonder how much operating cost a typical insurance company has.



Posted by Malcolm on May 31 2015,10:04
< Getting closer >.
QUOTE
Votes are possible after 6 p.m., giving senators just six hours before the laws run out at midnight — and only two before 8 p.m., when the Obama administration has warned the NSA's phone records program would be disrupted.

Someone, anyone on the Congressional catering staff, for fuck's sake -- drug the coffee with some sedatives.

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 01 2015,06:18
< Lapsed. >

A small victory considering they'll pass them again in a few days, but still...

It's too bad a Kardashian wasn't involved because then maybe the majority of Americans would care.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 01 2015,07:21
QUOTE
The Senate voted 77-17 to move ahead on the House-passed bill, the USA Freedom Act...

That's 77 pandering asswipes that deserve to be executed in public.

Posted by Vince on Jun. 01 2015,10:22

(Leisher @ Jun. 01 2015,08:18)
QUOTE
< Lapsed. >

A small victory considering they'll pass them again in a few days, but still...

It's too bad a Kardashian wasn't involved because then maybe the majority of Americans would care.

I wonder how much they're collecting that they will continue to collect because it isn't public knowledge and illegal for anyone that DOES know to say anything?  No one is saying anything about the emails they scoop up or all the text messages.  Just the metadata that's already been admitted to.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 01 2015,10:27
"We're not collecting the data, we're just queueing it up for later"
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 01 2015,10:41
"We're not collecting it.  Keeping a copy doesn't mean we are depriving anyone of anything."
Posted by Vince on Jun. 01 2015,10:45
I'm seeing the carrier pigeon making a come back.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 01 2015,10:54

(Vince @ Jun. 01 2015,12:45)
QUOTE
I'm seeing the carrier pigeon making a come back.

Mike Tyson could see a resurgence.

"Hi, I'm Mike Tyson.  You don't want the government spying on your behind your back, going all Don King on your ass.  So buy one of my birds to carry your sensitive information to its destination.  You can also train them to shit on things and people you don't like during flight."



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 02 2015,10:16
< Well, that was a nice 24 hours >.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 02 2015,12:12
< FBI watching you >.
QUOTE
According to the senior law enforcement official, the FBI does not need a court issued warrant to fly these surveillance planes because of rules established by the Department of Justice. The same official says that before a plane is used, it is signed off on by various levels of DOJ.

Domestic surveillance without warrants or any confirmed operating authority.  How convenient.



Posted by Leisher on Jun. 03 2015,08:08
< Wikileaks offers $100k bounty > for the text of "the most transparent administration in history's" trans-Pacific trade deal.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 03 2015,08:10

(Leisher @ Jun. 03 2015,11:08)
QUOTE
< Wikileaks offers $100k bounty > for the text of "the most transparent administration in history's" trans-Pacific trade deal.

Whew.  Someone's going to leak it or fake it, for that much.
Posted by Vince on Jun. 03 2015,12:41
I still don't understand why we're even having a trade deal for Hawaiians that have gender reassignment surgeries.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 03 2015,13:54
lolwut?
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 05 2015,07:46
< John Cusack says Obama is as bad or worse than Bush. >

He's pretty left wing, so that's saying something.



Posted by GORDON on Jun. 05 2015,07:48
That is interesting.  He was a huge Obama cheerleader, years ago.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 05 2015,08:04
QUOTE
He hasn’t started as many wars, but he’s extended the ones we had, and I don’t even think Dick Cheney or Richard Nixon would say the president has the right to unilaterally decide whom he can kill around the world

Maybe Cheney, but only because he was never the prez.

QUOTE
On Tuesdays, the president can just decide whom he wants to kill, and you know, since 9/11 there are magic words like 'terror,' and if you use magic words, you can justify any power grab you want.

Or spending increase.

Cusack seems to be pissed that his words were taken out of context or something.

Posted by Leisher on Jun. 05 2015,09:13
Well, he's probably concerned that he just got himself blacklisted in Hollywood.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 05 2015,09:14
"Geez, John, we didn't know you were so racist."
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 07 2015,07:09
When Obama was elected he promised to heal the world/recede the rising oceans/whatever, using his brand of smart diplomacy.

Well, he has gone a long way to uniting ancient enemies... against us.

< https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015....n-obama >

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 09 2015,06:33
So what's the over/under on the Supreme Court actually ruling against Obamacare with that "by the state" subsidy situation?  Since ruling against it will seriously damage Obamacare, I can't see it happening no matter what the law says, but I wonder what the conventional wisdom is.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 09 2015,07:28
I'm guessing 5-4 that the state subsidy is OK.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 09 2015,07:35
I'm hoping they kill it just so I can see the hilarious fallout.  Comedic opportunities like that don't come around too often.


Posted by Vince on Jun. 09 2015,09:59
I'm guessing it'll be ruled okay, even though they intentionally wrote it that way to "threaten" states into creating their own exchanges.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 09 2015,10:13
< Asshole talks down to Supreme Court >.
QUOTE
But the president's comments on Monday, during a press conference on the sidelines of the G-7 summit in Germany, were perhaps his toughest to date. He strongly suggested the court would be running afoul of established legal guidance if it rules against the administration, and took the rare step of saying the court should have stayed out of this fight.

"It's legal because I, the president, did it," is getting dangerously close to a Nixonian position.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 09 2015,11:21

(Malcolm @ Jun. 09 2015,12:13)
QUOTE
< Asshole talks down to Supreme Court >.
QUOTE
But the president's comments on Monday, during a press conference on the sidelines of the G-7 summit in Germany, were perhaps his toughest to date. He strongly suggested the court would be running afoul of established legal guidance if it rules against the administration, and took the rare step of saying the court should have stayed out of this fight.

"It's legal because I, the president, did it," is getting dangerously close to a Nixonian position.

< Fuck you, it's here and not going away >.
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 09 2015,11:47
El Presidente has spoken!
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 10 2015,10:09
< Iraq War III begins >.  450 "advisers" are going into a complete shitstorm where, even if they win, they'll lose in another decade as the region destabilizes.
QUOTE
However, former Iraqi national security adviser, Mowaffak al-Rubaie, told the BBC the move was not enough.

"This is too little too late. I call for the American administration to get their act together." he added.

"They don't have any unified strategy. We don't understand their policy in Iraq and in Syria, in the region. They are giving conflicting signs."

Dude, how about all the fuckers in YOUR region of the world getting together, coordinating your assaults, and dealing with these assholes?  Pretend they're Israel and stage some sneak attacks.



Posted by GORDON on Jun. 10 2015,10:21
Sending 450 "advisors" allows Obama supporters to pretend like he is responding forcefully to a threat without "starting a war" like that piece of shit George Bush.

The next president will have to make real decisions about Isis. If it is Hillary, every decision she makes will be god-tier for the good of mankind. If it is a republican, it will be a War For Oil/Kill Brown People.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 12 2015,12:15

(TPRJones @ Jun. 09 2015,13:47)
QUOTE
El Presidente has spoken!

< Not on free trans-Pacific trade >.  Sit down for a second, because you're going to hear a donkey slam Obama while a pachyderm suggests supporting him.
QUOTE
"The President tried to both guilt people and impugn their integrity. I was insulted," Rep. Peter Defazio, D-Oregon, told reporters after the meeting.

Republicans pushed hard for the trade package. Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisconsin, said the trade deals it greases the wheels for are at "the dawn of the 21st century."

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 13 2015,11:20
Obama: < Come on, I really want to pass this law >.

< A few points on > the federal health insurance thing.



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 16 2015,11:43
< No encryption. >
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 16 2015,12:29
Systems are too old for encryption?  That's funny, I remember generating my first set of 128 bit PGP keys on a P2 133 in 1996.


Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 16 2015,13:01
QUOTE
Government computers with sensitive data are so old, some can't be encrypted

That's 100% completely, utterly false.  PGP has been out since 1991, almost as long as the gov't has been trying to cripple it for foreign export.  It would've been more honest to say that the workers are too lazy and incompetent and the system's too sprawling, shittily designed, and outdated to accomplish the feat.



Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 16 2015,19:26
It's very likely that the computers involved < are older than that >.  

QUOTE
A recent federal review found that the U.S. Secret Service uses a mainframe computer system from the 1980s.
...
The U.S. Navy’s ship-based radar systems and Britain’s Atomic Weapons Establishment, which maintains that country’s nuclear warheads, use PDP minicomputers manufactured in the 1970s by Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC). Another user of the PDP is Airbus, the French jetliner manufacturer.
...
The F-15 and F-18 fighters, the Hawk missile systems, parts of the U.S. Navy submarine fleet, and Navy fighter test systems on aircraft carriers use DEC’s VAX minicomputers from the 1980s for various purposes...
...
"There are thousands of DEC systems in use for military applications around the world," says Jones, "including PDPs from the 1970s, VAXes from the 1980s, and Alphas from the 1990s."

It's not just military, either.  It's government.  Remember the fiasco about VA files and the ancient computers that wouldn't talk to each other?



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 16 2015,19:29
Doesn't the gov't just buy storage space and bulk PCs like everyone else?
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 16 2015,19:32
For new stuff, sure.  But not for pre-existing things.  Not if the old ones are still running.  No matter how badly they are doing it.

The government never replaces anything until it has exploded or caught fire.

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 16 2015,19:33
I remember a few years ago the IRS tried to update their systems and apparently used the same company that made Obamacare.com because they spent billions and got nothing that worked.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 17 2015,17:30
I think this is saying that the person in charge of this data gave root access to a contractor in China.

< https://twitter.com/politicalmath/status/611279766960803841/photo/1 >

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 17 2015,18:03

(GORDON @ Jun. 17 2015,19:30)
QUOTE
I think this is saying that the person in charge of this data gave root access to a contractor in China.

< https://twitter.com/politicalmath/status/611279766960803841/photo/1 >

< More or less >.

DHS's excuse: we fucked up SO bad, that even modern encryption wouldn't have made a difference, so ... uh ... no harm, no foul.
QUOTE
Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary for Cybersecurity Dr. Andy Ozment testified that encryption would "not have helped in this case" because the attackers had gained valid user credentials to the systems that they attacked—likely through social engineering. And because of the lack of multifactor authentication on these systems, the attackers would have been able to use those credentials at will to access systems from within and potentially even from outside the network.

House Oversight Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) told Archuleta and OPM Chief Information Officer Donna Seymour, "You failed utterly and totally."

Wow.  I have a more secure RDP login procedure at work.  Let's remember these are the same piece of shit douche holes that have a legion of otherwise unemployable retards at every airport.  I guess $38.2B a year isn't enough for one DHS admin to take a University of Phoenix IT security class.  Thanks again for handing us this unstoppable Frankenstein's monster of bureaucracy, Dubyuh.  Eventually the terrorists will realize they only need to put in one, maybe two good attacks every decade.  The gov't will spend itself to death.



Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 21 2015,11:06
< US still hates sick vets >.  Somehow the $150B/yr that department gets isn't enough for proper medical care.  I'm sure they'll do better with Obamacare.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 22 2015,08:50
< Never mind > that black people say "nigger" a billion times more than whites.
QUOTE
"Racism, we are not cured of it," Obama said. "And it's not just a matter of it not being polite to say nigger in public. That's not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. It's not just a matter of overt discrimination. Societies don't, overnight, completely erase everything that happened 200 to 300 years prior."



Posted by GORDON on Jun. 22 2015,08:54
Good thing that what happened 200 to 300 years ago has been longer than "overnight."
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 22 2015,09:00
I hope this asshole's Pacific trade package and health care bill both get shot down.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 22 2015,09:21

(Malcolm @ Jun. 22 2015,12:00)
QUOTE
I hope this asshole... get shot down.

Racist.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 22 2015,09:24
Eh, I hate everyone equally.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 22 2015,10:10
< Burn >.
QUOTE
Wife of Israel's interior minister apologizes after tweeting, "Do u know what Obama Coffee is? Black and weak"

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 22 2015,11:46
< Obama really hoping > Supreme Court sees things his way.
QUOTE
Burwell said the Obama administration would be unable to assist millions of Americans who have enrolled through the federal health insurance marketplace. The enrollees who received health coverage from Healthcare.gov could lose their medical insurance pending on the Supreme Court's ruling in the King vs. Burwell case, which relates to the federal subsidies enrollees receive.

"We don't believe there is an administration solution that would undo all of that damage," said Burwell to CNN.

Posted by GORDON on Jun. 22 2015,19:40
< http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/208974/ >


Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 23 2015,11:30
< 18M hacked >.  No one is responsible.
QUOTE
Grilled on whether anyone takes responsibility, Archuleta said only the perpetrators should be blamed -- she said current failures result from decades of meager investment in security systems, but said changes are being made and in fact helped detect the latest breaches.
...
"I don't believe anyone is personally responsible," OPM Director Katherine Archuleta said Tuesday.

The buck stops ... over there, somewhere else.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 24 2015,10:12
< If he believes this >, I also have a used bridge to sell him.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 24 2015,12:12
< Thursday > could bring a ruling.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 25 2015,08:42

(TheCatt @ Jun. 09 2015,10:28)
QUOTE
I'm guessing 5-4 that the state subsidy is OK.

Upheld... 6 to 3.
Posted by Vince on Jun. 25 2015,09:00
Horrible precedent for the court.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 25 2015,09:00
Goddamn Roberts.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 25 2015,10:43
< White House > thinks your doctor should lecture you about climate change.  You also need to be reminded of it < every time you head to the grocery store >.

< Obama spends $800K > of your dollars to campaign against political rivals.



Posted by Troy on Jun. 27 2015,17:46
It's been quite a week for the guy's legacy, whether you agree with his politics or not.


Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2015,18:48
I think this was more the Supreme Court's big week.  It just changed quite a bit, it seems.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 27 2015,19:01

(Troy @ Jun. 27 2015,20:46)
QUOTE
It's been quite a week for the guy's legacy, whether you agree with his politics or not.

Wait, what did he do this week?

He didn't bring the court case.  He didn't even support gay marriage when he was elected.  He had to wait for public opinion to hit 50+% first.

Fuck that guy.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 27 2015,20:13

(TheCatt @ Jun. 27 2015,21:01)
QUOTE

(Troy @ Jun. 27 2015,20:46)
QUOTE
It's been quite a week for the guy's legacy, whether you agree with his politics or not.

Wait, what did he do this week?

He didn't bring the court case.  He didn't even support gay marriage when he was elected.  He had to wait for public opinion to hit 50+% first.

Fuck that guy.

It's kind of funny how the only people who are free to make a decision are the ones that don't have to give a fuck about Gallup surveys.
Posted by Troy on Jun. 28 2015,08:36

(TheCatt @ Jun. 27 2015,22:01)
QUOTE

(Troy @ Jun. 27 2015,20:46)
QUOTE
It's been quite a week for the guy's legacy, whether you agree with his politics or not.

Wait, what did he do this week?

He didn't bring the court case.  He didn't even support gay marriage when he was elected.  He had to wait for public opinion to hit 50+% first.

Fuck that guy.

I get that and what Gordo said. Just don't think history is going to care, is all.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 28 2015,08:48
QUOTE
I get that and what Gordo said. Just don't think history is going to care, is all.

Eh, the US has a history of whitewashing any bureaucratic stupidity.  It's why Jimmy Carter wasn't set upon by an angry mob the day after he left office.  The Pacific trade agreement or Obamacare would need to explode in a H-bomb-like fashion.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 28 2015,08:49
< Know how the military > is always bitching they want more money?  Maybe they should stop wasting it.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 29 2015,06:17
"Reality is now discretionary."

QUOTE
Exchanges established by the federal government are exchanges established by the state. Rachel Dolezal is black. Iran will honor an agreement not to develop nuclear weapons. ISIS is a JV team. There's an epidemic of sexual assaults on college campuses. Michael Brown had his hands up and pleaded "don't shoot." Caitlyn Jenner is a woman. Obamacare is working. 2+2 doesn't necessarily equal 4. The polar ice caps are disappearing. The IRS is doing a decent job. The border is secure.We've ended two wars responsibly. Hillary Clinton turned over all work-related e-mails. An $18,200,000,000,000 debt can grow without mention. People who burn down buildings and overturn cars aren't thugs. The OPM hack is manageable. We've reset relations with Russia. Entitlement reform can be kicked down the road. We're more respected around the world.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 29 2015,10:13
< Supreme Court > hears another AA case.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 29 2015,10:17

(Malcolm @ Jun. 29 2015,13:13)
QUOTE
< Supreme Court > hears another AA case.

Doesn't matter, it will turn out however the 4 liberal judges feel like it should turn out.

< http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive....urt.php >

QUOTE
Did you notice that there was not an iota of speculation about how the four Progressive justices would vote?

There was never a shadow of a doubt. In the plethora of opinions generated by these three cases, there is not a single one authored by Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Elena Kagan, or Sonia Sotomayor. There was no need. They are the Left’s voting bloc. There was a better chance that the sun would not rise this morning than that any of them would wander off the reservation.

How can that be? Jurisprudence is complex. Supple minds, however likeminded, will often diverge, sometimes dramatically, on principles of constitutional adjudication, canons of statutory construction, murky separation-of-powers boundaries, the etymology of language, and much else.

Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 29 2015,10:22
Whatever.  Same reason I don't need to figure how Clarence Thomas and Ebeneezer Scalia will vote.  Only Roberts and Kennedy are on the fence anymore.
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 29 2015,10:50
Indeed.  Almost all the justices are purely political in their decisions now.  Democrats have twice as many sure votes than Republicans but that doesn't matter as much as the whole process being warped to begin with.
Posted by Vince on Jun. 29 2015,10:58
I don't think progressives have anything to complain about.  Remember that time Ruth Ginsberg broke with ideology and voted with the conservatives?  Yeah, neither does anyone else.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 29 2015,11:13

(Vince @ Jun. 29 2015,12:58)
QUOTE
I don't think progressives have anything to complain about.  Remember that time Ruth Ginsberg broke with ideology and voted with the conservatives?  Yeah, neither does anyone else.

Wtf?  When was the last time Thomas or Scalia moved to the left of Julius Caesar?
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 29 2015,15:04
No, no, you don't understand.  Democrats are ideologues.  Republicans stick to their principles.  

Can't you see the difference?

Posted by Vince on Jun. 29 2015,15:35
I would just like for ONCE for the left to be completely blindsided by having a justice confirmed to the court only to discover that they actually think the Constitution should be followed.
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 29 2015,15:42
That may be the funniest thing you've said all year.

EDIT: Although it would blindside the right just as hard, of course.  The Constitution is just a myth told about the founding fathers, it's not something any politician is actually interested in following in it's entirety.



Posted by Vince on Jun. 29 2015,16:28
Regardless of your views, you know what I mean.  When was the last time a prog nominated and got through a justice that was a bitter disappointment to the progs?  When was the last time a prog justice tipped a court decision conservative?
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 29 2015,16:47
When was the last time a conservative nominated and got through a justice that was a bitter disappointment to the conservatives?  When was the last time a conservative justice tipped a court decision progressive?

I really don't see an imbalance here, they all suck pretty equally.  The fact that the progressives have a couple of pocket votes more than the conservatives is purely a consequence of < timing and Presidents >, not part of some imagined anti-conservative conspiracy.

EDIT: And you seem to have me pegged as a progressive but that's not correct.  If we spent all our time talking about fiscal issues you'd think I was a staunch conservative.  I am opposed to government interference in people's lives beyond the absolute minimum necessary to secure the constitutional rights of other citizens when those rights are in opposition.  So on social issues I'm very progressive but I'm just as strongly conservative on fiscal affairs.



Posted by Vince on Jun. 29 2015,16:56

(TPRJones @ Jun. 29 2015,18:47)
QUOTE
When was the last time a conservative nominated and got through a justice that was a bitter disappointment to the conservatives?  When was the last time a conservative justice tipped a court decision progressive?

Sandra Day O'Conner flipped more than a couple cases liberal.  Justice Kennedy has gone with the Liberal majority so many times it's the biggest black mark on Reagan's legacy.  Roberts has decided he must protect Obama care at all costs.
Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 29 2015,17:16
What you've done is list two moderates and complained about how they are moderate.  They're also - generally speaking - some of the best justices we've had on the court this century because they take each case on the merits instead of the politics.  All because they were nominated by Republican presidents doesn't make them automatically conservative.

I don't know enough about Roberts to comment on his record with Obama's pet causes.  I'll have to read up on it.

Here's a couple of interesting charts on the topic:


from < here >

Frankly I'm surprised at how often Kennedy has leaned conservative.  I thought he was generally more moderate than that.  But of course that could be biased based on the issue ratings, so perhaps instead you'd prefer < this chart > that shows how often they vote together which is independent of such bias.  It's pretty clear there's a left block of 3 and a right block of 2.5 and the rest are less polarized.  Seems relatively balanced to me.



Posted by GORDON on Jun. 30 2015,19:53
QUOTE
Blogger Glenn Reynolds noted that when the South was solidly Democratic, we got "Gone With the Wind" nostalgia. Now that it is profoundly less racist, but also less useful to Democrats, it's the enemy of all that is decent and good.

-- Jonah Goldberg

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 06 2015,10:22
< Kenya lectures Obama >.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 08 2015,12:22
< DoJ > says the won't roundly violate your privacy rights, just yet, unless they don't feel like telling you.
QUOTE
For now, Yates and FBI Director James Comey are appealing to Congress to help them convince U.S. tech companies to retain the ability to access their customers' encrypted data so that the industry can comply with search warrants and court orders to obtain evidence from the electronic devices of suspected terrorists and criminals.

Fuck off.

QUOTE
Companies such as Apple and Google have responded to consumers' demand for privacy and cybersecurity by encrypting cellphone data so that it can only be retrieved by users and not by the companies. The tech giants took that action in part because their customers in Europe and Asia have become wary of using U.S. Internet providers and products for fear that the U.S. government would have access to their personal information.

God forbid companies deliver what the consumer wants instead of the wishes of the aristocrats that rule over him to protect him from everyone else and himself.



Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 10 2015,10:19
< Latest pawn > thrown under bus.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 13 2015,10:14
< ICE helps kill people >.
QUOTE
121 times over the past four years, the administration has released an illegal immigrant with prior criminal convictions who went on to be charged with murder. That is one every 12 days.

Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 15 2015,16:12
< Obamacare fraud >.  The government paying $ to people who don't exist.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 15 2015,16:31
Stupid, and obvious, but the biggest beneficiaries of obamacare fraud will always be internal, I believe.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2015,16:52
QUOTE
The watchdog agency last summer announced that it had created 12 fake identities and 11 were able to sign up for coverage, qualifying for a total of $2,500 a month in subsidies.

Awesome.  A 91.66666667% error rating.  That's TSA calibre work, right there.  Even after they got flagged, looks like five accounts got reinstated with more cash.  Glad I'll be dead in about 100 years.



Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 19 2015,04:29
Dude gets booed for saying all lives matter.

< Article >

QUOTE
Democratic presidential candidate Martin O'Malley apologized on Saturday for saying "All lives matter" while discussing police violence against African-Americans with liberal demonstrators.

Several dozen demonstrators interrupted the former Maryland governor while he was speaking here at the Netroots Nation conference, a gathering of liberal activists, demanding that he address criminal justice and police brutality. When they shouted, "Black lives matter!" a rallying cry of protests that broke out after several black Americans were killed at the hands of police in recent months, O'Malley responded: "Black lives matter. White lives matter. All lives matter."

The demonstrators, who were mostly black, responded by booing him and shouting him down.

Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 19 2015,04:30
< Hillary too. >

Apparently some lives are more equal than others.

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 19 2015,07:21
I already thought black lives were the only ones that mattered. It's certainly the only ones the MSM covers. Right before Zimmerman shot Martin two white people on a date were car jacked, robbed, kidnapped, beaten, tortured, raped, and murdered in a horrific crime by 4 black people, but it was only covered as local news. Blacks kill more whites annually, by a lot, yet you wouldn't know that watching the news. White people get killed by the police too, including a white kid by a black officer in Utah right after the Michael Brown thing, but the MSM didn't care. The life of the white cop who Michael Brown attacked that night didn't matter. You can go buy a shirt with a swaztika on it, but good luck buying one with a confederate flag because "black lives matter" and apparently Jewish ones don't.

"black lives matter" isn't about healing, it's a grab for power.

Anyone who suggests "all lives matter" isn't a much better phrase during these times is clearly racist.

But hey, let's keep pretending violence and crime isn't celebrated in black culture. Let's keep pretending that cops just need to be less racist and don't need more training and funding so they're not alone in these situations. Let's keep pretending that everyone's just a massive racist because eventually you'll make that a reality.

Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 19 2015,07:53
QUOTE
Blacks kill more whites annually, by a lot, yet you wouldn't know that watching the news.

What's that old saw about dog bites and news?

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 19 2015,09:35
It's not the MSM is racist, it's that telling news in a balanced way doesn't get ratings. To them, only blacks killed by cops matter or mass shootings or white kids that get kidnapped, etc.

I don't know if one of you said it, or a comedian, or a friend/family, but recently I heard someone say, "weird how Chicago doesn't have confederate flags, yet black people are being killed every day and nobody seems to care."



Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 19 2015,09:47
QUOTE
"weird how Chicago doesn't have confederate flags, yet black people are being killed every day and nobody seems to care."

I'm fairly certain that relates to money.  One may not speak ill of cash in this nation.

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 19 2015,09:49

(Malcolm @ Jul. 19 2015,12:47)
QUOTE
QUOTE
"weird how Chicago doesn't have confederate flags, yet black people are being killed every day and nobody seems to care."

I'm fairly certain that relates to money.  One may not speak ill of cash in this nation.

I think the rap culture in this country proves it's not just about money, or a lack of money.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 19 2015,09:55
Oliver Stone has a lot to answer for.  Think of all the rappers the Scarface remake inspired.  Anyhow, hip-hop isn't everyone.  Tupac was content to die as a millionaire drive-by victim.  Seems insane to me, but whatever.  I believe he's far more the exception than the rule.  I think more would prefer the paycheck to the bullet.


Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 23 2015,07:14

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 23 2015,08:03
Hilarious image Catt.

QUOTE
Oliver Stone has a lot to answer for.  Think of all the rappers the Scarface remake inspired.  Anyhow, hip-hop isn't everyone.  Tupac was content to die as a millionaire drive-by victim.  Seems insane to me, but whatever.  I believe he's far more the exception than the rule.  I think more would prefer the paycheck to the bullet.


What? Hip Hop isn't everyone? Thank you for pointing that out! I thought all black people were hip hop artists...

My point was that rap is the music of black culture and it's filled with messages about street cred and violence. But yeah, I'm sure it's a total coincidence that the number one music for your black males is rap and the number one cause of death for young black males is young black males.

Also, Tupac isn't the only rapper to die rich. How many rappers get arrested annually on gun charges versus jazz, country, or rock stars?

Let's not pretend that the violence problem in black culture is ONLY about money.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 23 2015,08:22
QUOTE
My point was that rap is the music of black culture and it's filled with messages about street cred and violence. But yeah, I'm sure it's a total coincidence that the number one music for your black males is rap and the number one cause of death for young black males is young black males.

There are about a million different types of rap music.  The specific one you're hitting on is gangsta rap, which was pioneered by dudes like NWA.  That genre was huge from about the mid 90s until the mid 2000s.  It's presently in a bit of a decline.  Here's the Billboard Top 100 Hip-Hop/R&B from < today >.  The dudes en vogue right now are of the Usher/Ne-Yo/J.T. variety.  I'm sure someone accused jazz of causing tommy gun drive-bys back 90 years ago.



Posted by Leisher on Jul. 23 2015,08:33
QUOTE
I'm sure someone accused jazz of causing tommy gun drive-bys back 90 years ago.


Who is accusing rap of causing violence? Not me.

I'm pointing out that violence in a specific culture, that you blamed on money, is about more than just money.

Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 23 2015,08:44
QUOTE
Who is accusing rap of causing violence? Not me.



QUOTE
But yeah, I'm sure it's a total coincidence that the number one music for your black males is rap and the number one cause of death for young black males is young black males.

Posted by Leisher on Jul. 23 2015,11:22

(Malcolm @ Jul. 23 2015,11:44)
QUOTE
QUOTE
Who is accusing rap of causing violence? Not me.



QUOTE
But yeah, I'm sure it's a total coincidence that the number one music for your black males is rap and the number one cause of death for young black males is young black males.

Singing about the violence in their culture. Where is the "this causes this" statement?

Eddie Murphy used to tell shit jokes because it's the only thing he had life experience with. Those jokes didn't cause anyone to take a shit.

Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 03 2015,14:54
< Know what could help >?  Nuclear fucking power.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 05 2015,10:32
< ID cards = racism >.

< More awesome > news about Obamacare.



Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 07 2015,10:17
< John Kerry: > still a prick.
QUOTE
“The war that took place here half a century ago divided each of our countries and stemmed from the most profound failure of diplomatic insight and political vision.”

Yeah, you're right.  It was totally a failure on the part of US diplomacy to keep the colonial French the fuck out of there.

Posted by Leisher on Sep. 01 2015,08:19
< Obama will be on Bear Grylls show. >
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 22 2015,10:19
< Good thing > we're helping our pedo allies in the Middle East.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 29 2015,10:06
< Good thing > we wasted all those resources and time in Afghanistan.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 03 2015,23:34
< Political Vulture Barry Obama asks media to count people kiled by guns versus terrorism. >

First, my favorite part of this story is that nowhere does Obama suggest scaling back anything related to stopping terrorism. Fucking idiot.

Second, 92 people a day are killed in vehicular accidents. Why have we not yet banned cars?

Third, according to that chart (which I'd bet is inflated) 404k people have been killed since 2001 by guns in the U.S. Well guess what? 598k a year die in this country thanks to obesity. Why isn't Ronald McDonald and Colonel Sanders in front of Congress answering for their mass murdering ways?

Fourth, cancer kills 575k a year. What's the government spend there versus fighting terrorism?

Fifth, poverty is linked to far more deaths a year than guns. Where's Obama's outrage there?

Sixth, the city with the most gun deaths in the U.S. is Chicago, Obama's home town and in the state with the strictest gun laws in the country.

In all of human history, no gun has ever killed a single person.

Making guns harder for law abiding citizens to get doesn't stop criminals from getting them. It just makes it harder for the law abiding citizens to defend themselves from a power hungry government.

Posted by GORDON on Oct. 04 2015,06:39
I guess Obamacare wasn't enough, he wants guns, too.  If he gets assassinated in office congress will pass whatever pet legislation he has.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 05 2015,10:19
< Trans-Pacific Partnership is go > unless Congress kills it.

< Leaving troops in Afghanistan > because why the hell not?  We have a million military bases around the world anyhow.

Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 06 2015,10:32
< Biden's son > was apparently fevered and demented in his final hours.
QUOTE
"He tried to make his father promise to run, arguing that the White House should not revert to the Clintons and that the country would be better off with Biden values," the article said.

According to Politico, the scene was relayed by Biden himself.

Posted by Leisher on Oct. 15 2015,07:31
< Obama keeping troops in Afghanistan. >
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 20 2015,07:00
< House GOP wins in court against Obamacare. >
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 05 2015,12:35
< Thieves from Congress > grill thieves from the pharmaceutical industry about why people are getting gouged and use the opportunity to get some meaningless quotes in for election time.
QUOTE
With the formation of the new task force and several related bills pending in the House, Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.) said the message to big pharma is clear: "The rip-off days are over."

Riiiiiiiiiight.  Because the living incarnation of moral authority and justice that is Congress is here to stop your nefarious plans.

This is, I guess, right after B. Rock < bans certain medical research >.  I guess we don't want new non-human sources for human organs.  I guess we'll just keep harvesting organs from the dead instead.



Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 06 2015,15:43
< Obama endears > himself to unions.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 06 2015,18:08

(Malcolm @ Nov. 06 2015,18:43)
QUOTE
< Obama endears > himself to unions.

Rejecting Keystone means all that oil wont get burned.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 01 2015,11:25
< Boots > on the ground.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 07 2015,08:20
So Barry gave his speech last night talking about how his plan to fight ISIS is working, and the true evil in this world is Republicans.

Let's ignore that his plan seems to be "Do as little as possible to make it look like he's doing something". I did agree with his "peeps on the no fly list shouldn't be allowed to buy guns" argument.

Anyway, someone on FB today posted something about how when the Paris attacks happened, the world united against ISIS and terrorism. Meanwhile, here in the U.S. with the San Bernardino attack, we're simply being told that it's the guns' fault.

Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 07 2015,10:51
The problem with the no fly list is it's 99%+ bullshit.  I'm on the list because somewhere out there is a terrorist named Jim Jones with no other identifying information, so all people named Jim or James Jones are on the no fly list.  You get put on the list for the most absurd reasons and there is no review and no way off without spending a few thousand dollars on lawyers.  There is no due process anywhere near it.

I was sort of going to vote for Barry, but not anymore.  Not if this is an example of what he thinks a good idea is.

Posted by Leisher on Dec. 07 2015,11:14
QUOTE
The problem with the no fly list is it's 99%+ bullshit.  I'm on the list because somewhere out there is a terrorist named Jim Jones with no other identifying information, so all people named Jim or James Jones are on the no fly list.  You get put on the list for the most absurd reasons and there is no review and no way off without spending a few thousand dollars on lawyers.  There is no due process anywhere near it.


That is problematic. I had assumed getting onto the list required an actual reason, and getting off of it could be accomplished. Granted there would be government red tape, but it could be accomplished.

Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 07 2015,11:32
I've heard it generally takes about thee to six grand in lawyer time.  And once you are taken off the list you can be put back on again at any time for any reason.  So if any other J. Jones steps out of line I'd be right back on it again and have to go through it all again.

Like I said, 99%+ bullshit.

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 07 2015,12:05
QUOTE
I had assumed getting onto the list required an actual reason, and getting off of it could be accomplished.

No.  It's much like the black list for potential FBI, NSA, etc. candidates.  I knew a few dudes in college that were permanently on there, each for idiotic reasons.  None of them gave a fuck about working for the mafia feds, so they never contested it.  If it's done by the gov't, it's probably done illegally, incompetently, exorbitantly, or some combo thereof.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 07 2015,12:24

(TPRJones @ Dec. 07 2015,13:51)
QUOTE
The problem with the no fly list is it's 99%+ bullshit.  I'm on the list because somewhere out there is a terrorist named Jim Jones with no other identifying information, so all people named Jim or James Jones are on the no fly list.  You get put on the list for the most absurd reasons and there is no review and no way off without spending a few thousand dollars on lawyers.  There is no due process anywhere near it.

So what do you do when you want to fly somewhere?
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 07 2015,12:32
I don't.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 07 2015,12:41

(TPRJones @ Dec. 07 2015,14:32)
QUOTE
I don't.

Probably for the best.  I'd avoid that shit if it were practical.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 08 2015,05:50
Remember when Obama bragged about signing a deal with Iran to curb their rush towards nukes? Remember how the Republicans in this country were blasted by the MSM and the left because they were against the deal? Remember how their opposition was based on the fact that they believed Iran wouldn't honor the deal and everyone said the Republicans were just assholes?

< Iran has been testing ballistic missles in violation of two resolutions. >



Posted by GORDON on Dec. 08 2015,05:57
I remember Jack Black from tenacious D was in some video talking about how republicans wanted nuclear war because of their opposition to the iran deal.

I mention that on facebook every time one of their posts makes it to my front page.  "Yeah that's cool about your festival dates, but what is Jack's opinion on the Iranian nuclear treaty?"

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 08 2015,05:58

(TPRJones @ Dec. 07 2015,15:32)
QUOTE
I don't.

I applaud you for not utilizing the airlines who hate their customers and the TSA who... exist....

But seriously, there is no recourse for 100k people if "John Smith" gets put on a No Fly List, unless they pony up a few grand?

Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 08 2015,07:36
Yup.  You got it.

Welcome to America!

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 08 2015,07:49

(TPRJones @ Dec. 08 2015,09:36)
QUOTE
Yup.  You got it.

Welcome to America!

Where the legal system and all its employees are 100% able to be bought and sold.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 14 2015,15:16
< Remember that one guy > we got in exchange for five Taliban cats?
QUOTE
General court-martial is the highest level of trial in the military justice system. If convicted, Bergdahl could face anywhere from life in prison to no confinement.

Posted by GORDON on Dec. 17 2015,17:47
QUOTE
In any case, it's 2015. We're at war in Afghanistan, war in Iraq, helped destabilize Libya and Syria, have seen the deadliest terror attack on U.S. soil since 9/11, have no ability to vet visitors and entrants to the country or otherwise protect our borders, and have no coherent strategy for dealing with ISIS. We have a president who actually claims that climate deals are a good way to fight ISIS, and a press that treats this as a reasonable claim to make.

Must be nice to be a Democratic president.

-- Mollie Hemingway

Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 19 2015,15:57
< Those awesome immigration > officials.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 01 2016,11:10
< Lame duck is lame >.
QUOTE
Facing the reality that lawmakers are unlikely to strengthen the country’s gun laws anytime soon, the administration has been looking at ways Mr. Obama can tighten gun sales unilaterally, focusing in particular on who could be considered a high-volume dealer for an executive action that could expand background checks.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 03 2016,12:59
< Congress >?  Fuck them.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 05 2016,18:08
< Pretended to cry during his speech today. >

What an asshole.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 05 2016,19:31

(Leisher @ Jan. 05 2016,21:08)
QUOTE
< Pretended to cry during his speech today. >

What an asshole.

I 0% believe those tears are real.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 06 2016,04:51
Don't blaspheme the Lightbringer.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 06 2016,06:06

(TheCatt @ Jan. 05 2016,22:31)
QUOTE

(Leisher @ Jan. 05 2016,21:08)
QUOTE
< Pretended to cry during his speech today. >

What an asshole.

I 0% believe those tears are real.

My wife: Oh, those tears are real.  He's a pussy, that's why he's not a good president.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 07 2016,12:56
< A reminder... >
Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 07 2016,14:19
Has there ever been a President that wasn't also a hypocrite?
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 07 2016,14:24

(TPRJones @ Jan. 07 2016,16:19)
QUOTE
Has there ever been a President that wasn't also a hypocrite?

William Henry Harrison?  

Monroe and Madison were pretty consistent.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 08 2016,10:50
< As close > as anyone will ever get to repealing Obamacare ... which also has to be conflated with something else because the party that sponsored the bill is hopelessly adrift without leadership, direction, or a plan to get the White House back anytime in the next five decades.
QUOTE
The bill would also cut federal funding for Planned Parenthood.

Posted by Leisher on Jan. 13 2016,08:13
QUOTE
"If this Congress is serious about winning this war ... you should finally authorize the use of military force," Obama said Tuesday during the State of the Union address.


Is Obama serious with this? How do people still defend him?

This fucker has been giving speeches since ISIS first come into view about how he won't send troops over and blah, blah, blah, yet in last night's speech he throws Congress under the bus for his inaction?

There was a time when I really believed he thought he was doing what was best for this country based on his political beliefs. I completely disagreed, but I thought his heart was in the right place. I think now he's just trying to cover his ass.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 13 2016,11:45
< WSJ > unamused with speech.
QUOTE
His signature “achievements”—we’re thinking here of ObamaCare and the Iran deal—were won by bullying doubters in his own party, shutting the other party out entirely, and, crucially, ignoring overwhelming public opposition. He’d have accomplished a lot more had the country been on his side, but had the country been on his side, there would be no need for fundamental transformation.
...
FDR’s bouncy, feisty smile, Reagan’s geniality, Clinton’s one-of-the-boys grin, W’s good-natured earnestness are part of history; and Obama’s real “legacy” (aside from worldwide crisis) is that bitter sneer. His rudeness to political opponents has made a rotten political climate much worse.

Posted by GORDON on Jan. 14 2016,13:25



Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 19 2016,11:42
< Supreme Court > deals with immigration.

< More deficit >.

Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 19 2016,14:12

(Malcolm @ Jan. 19 2016,13:42)
QUOTE
< Supreme Court > deals with immigration.

Interesting.  The fact that Congress makes the laws and the President enforces them is itself a form of check and balance.  If the President doesn't agree with a law and elects not to enforce it that should be a legit thing that can happen.

However it's limited to choosing non-action over action.  A President can't go and actively make things happen that are counter to what the law requires, so in that sense he's gone too far.  He can choose not to enforce deportment, but he can't go giving out citizenship all willy-nilly.

Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 19 2016,14:36
QUOTE
Article II of the Constitution sets out the duties of the president. It includes the requirement that the president “shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed.”

Then what does it mean to "execute" a law?

QUOTE
“Law-enforcement discretion does not confer the distinct power to deem unlawful conduct as lawful,” Keller added.

Is omission of enforcement tantamount to declaring something lawful?

Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 19 2016,14:44
QUOTE
Is omission of enforcement tantamount to declaring something lawful?

I think no.  Not from a legalistic standpoint, anyway.

I think the court will find that it's legit for a President to choose not to enforce as a check and balance.  But the real danger is what that means in terms of Equal Protection under the 14th.  Someone who is or has been prosecuted under a a law that is currently not being enforced can make a case for selective enforcement, which is illegal under the 14th.

So if he's going to elect not to enforce he has to make sure it's universal, not selective.



Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 19 2016,15:02
< The jokes almost write themselves >.
QUOTE
Maher seemed both angry and dumbfounded that the President has not consented to prior invitations from the show.



Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 19 2016,16:28
QUOTE
“Sean Penn can get an interview with El Chapo, but I can’t get the President who talks to the lady with green lips,” Maher said, the latter reference to Obama’s live-streamed chat with Youtube celebrity GloZell Green, known for her outrageous lipstick choices.

That lady with the green lips has four times more viewers than you, Bill.  Maybe if you had those sort of numbers someone would care.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 19 2016,16:48
The article says he has 4 million viewers.

She has 4 million followers on Youtube, sounds about the same to me.

Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 19 2016,16:50
The article says he has 4 million viewers.

She has 4 million followers on Youtube, sounds about the same to me.

Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 19 2016,16:57
Oh, according to Wikipedia he peaked at 1.4 million viewers in August 2012.  But that could be old info.  I retract the "four times" but still assert that he's being pretty dismissive of someone who his fancy slickly-produced show is just on par with.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 19 2016,18:06

(TPRJones @ Jan. 19 2016,19:57)
QUOTE
Oh, according to Wikipedia he peaked at 1.4 million viewers in August 2012.  But that could be old info.  I retract the "four times" but still assert that he's being pretty dismissive of someone who his fancy slickly-produced show is just on par with.

Well, I'm sure the #s are pliable.  4 million could be on any platform for any # of days, versus 1.4M first-run showing, or some crap.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 22 2016,06:55
< Did we pay a ransom for those sailors Iran took hostage? >
Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 22 2016,07:29
Sounds like they were unrelated to me.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 22 2016,07:44

(Leisher @ Jan. 22 2016,08:55)
QUOTE
< Did we pay a ransom for those sailors Iran took hostage? >

Not unless we planned this way back when the Shah was in power.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 01 2016,10:30
< Time to piss away > more billions.
QUOTE
The three-year initiative, called "Computer Science for All," would provide states with money to train teachers, equip classrooms and develop new classroom materials. It's part of the president's 2017 budget and would need approval of the Republican-led Congress.

"In the new economy, computer science isn't an optional skill -- it's a basic skill, right along with the three Rs," Obama said as he announced the plan in his weekly radio address. "9 out of 10 parents want it taught at their children's schools."

9 out of 10 parents also think "computer science" means being able to fix your WiFi when it's broken.

QUOTE
Today's auto mechanics aren't just sliding under cars to change the oil; they're working on machines that run on as many as 100 million lines of code.

Yeah, but they didn't fucking write them.

QUOTE
Machinists are writing computer programs

Yeah, and the quality is noticeably shitty.  It's like saying, "Hey, you can drive on the highway at 60 miles per hour for twenty minutes, right?  Then you totally have a realistic shot at winning the Indy 500."

QUOTE
Being prepared for jobs of the future isn't just about working with computers, Obama added, but also developing analytical and coding skills to power "our innovation economy."

Wtf?  Unless you're coding, you don't need coding skills.  

Programming is like college -- it's not for everyone.



Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2016,12:05
1.  I doubt cars are running "100 million lines of code."

2.  My kid's school has one entire class of kids who are doing nothing but work on Chromebooks as some sort of pilot program... this means no papers going home, no homework worksheets, etc.  I know one of the parents of these kids, she says her class seems to be way behind the other classes in the same grade.  She isn't pleased.  So yeah, let's throw more tech at the grade schools.  The problem is that they just don't have enough yet.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 01 2016,13:55

(GORDON @ Feb. 01 2016,14:05)
QUOTE
1.  I doubt cars are running "100 million lines of code."

< I find > your lack of faith disturbing.
QUOTE
The avionics system in the F-22 Raptor, the current U.S. Air Force frontline jet fighter, consists of about 1.7 million lines of software code. The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, scheduled to become operational in 2010, will require about 5.7 million lines of code to operate its onboard systems. And Boeing’s new 787 Dreamliner, scheduled to be delivered to customers in 2010, requires about 6.5 million lines of software code to operate its avionics and onboard support systems.

These are impressive amounts of software, yet if you bought a premium-class automobile recently, ”it probably contains close to 100 million lines of software code,” says Manfred Broy, a professor of informatics at Technical University, Munich, and a leading expert on software in cars. All that software executes on 70 to 100 microprocessor-based electronic control units (ECUs) networked throughout the body of your car.

That article is seven years old.

Posted by Leisher on Feb. 02 2016,09:58

(GORDON @ Feb. 01 2016,15:05)
QUOTE
2.  My kid's school has one entire class of kids who are doing nothing but work on Chromebooks as some sort of pilot program... this means no papers going home, no homework worksheets, etc.  I know one of the parents of these kids, she says her class seems to be way behind the other classes in the same grade.  She isn't pleased.  So yeah, let's throw more tech at the grade schools.  The problem is that they just don't have enough yet.

Totally agree on this point.

My oldest is in 5th grade and has a Chromebook. All her work is done through it, and while it's nice an unforeseen or unintended side effect is that her teacher sits quietly while the students are basically self-teaching.

It sucks.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 04 2016,10:18
< Tool speaks >.
QUOTE
"Faith is the great cure for fear."

Yeah, I guess suicide bombers aren't afraid.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 04 2016,12:48
< More >.
QUOTE
“Jesus is a good cure for fear,” the president said.

Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 23 2016,10:37
< Transparency >.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 23 2016,14:06

(Malcolm @ Feb. 23 2016,13:37)
QUOTE
< Transparency >.

He kills kids.  All you need to know.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 24 2016,12:08
< Remember that > rockin' health care website fiasco?
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 29 2016,10:52
< Over half > of Americans don't give a fuck about Obamacare.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 08 2016,11:21

(Malcolm @ Feb. 29 2016,12:52)
QUOTE
< Over half > of Americans don't give a fuck about Obamacare.

From the < half that does >...
QUOTE
The promise of the Affordable Care Act for hospitals was that bad debt—a figure that reflects bills a hospital can't collect—would shrink substantially under the law's coverage expansions. The reality, so far, is less uniformly dramatic, even though 20 million fewer Americans are uninsured. Even in states that agreed to expand Medicaid, the popularity of high-deductible plans in those insurance exchanges has added to hospitals' mounting concerns over how patients can pay those bills, if at all.

In Wyoming and other states that did not expand Medicaid, hospitals are seeing little relief from patients who can't pay their bills or need financial aid.

“It's not improving for us here,” Huber said. Campbell County Health's bad debt increased 42% between 2013 and 2015.

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 08 2016,11:25
The middle class are getting fucked HARD on Obamacare.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 09 2016,09:46
< Obama is a massive cunt. >
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 09 2016,09:49

(Leisher @ Mar. 09 2016,11:46)
QUOTE
< Obama is a massive cunt. >

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Presidents do not always attend former first ladies' funerals, although current and former first ladies usually do.

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 09 2016,12:36
I don't care what excuse a left leaning site gives him. End of the day, he's skipping the funeral of a name in politics. He's skipping the funeral of someone he met and knew.

He's doing so to attend a film festival filled with elitists.

If it was Hillary's funeral, he'd be there and he legit can't stand her.

Posted by Troy on Mar. 09 2016,12:45
Pretty much a manufactured controversy. Outrage over something that seems to be tradition. Presidents haven't been going to first lady funerals since at least Reagan or something. Mrs. Obama attending.

People that are so upset about it should explain why they aren't going, too.



Posted by GORDON on Mar. 09 2016,13:04
I didn't know her personally, for one thing, and I don't think I'd be allowed in even if I did.

What it pretty much comes down to , to me, is the guy never misses a chance to show how little class he has.  As Leisher said, he doesn't have a good excuse for missing it.

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 09 2016,13:15
Like Rhianna's panties, you need to be invited.

And I just add it to a massive list of shitty things he's done as president.

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 09 2016,13:53
And let's not forget this is on the heels of a member of SCOTUS whose funeral he also skipped.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 09 2016,13:57

(Leisher @ Mar. 09 2016,16:53)
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And let's not forget this is on the heels of a member of SCOTUS whose funeral he also skipped.

I think that was the funeral where someone in the press corps asked the white house press secretary if Obama would be golfing the day of the funeral, and there was no comment.

There is no outrage here, but I think a little disgust is warranted.

Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 09 2016,13:57
Has a sitting President ever attended the funeral of a former first lady?
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 09 2016,14:14

(Leisher @ Mar. 09 2016,15:53)
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And let's not forget this is on the heels of a member of SCOTUS whose funeral he also skipped.

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There’s not substantial historic precedent for presidents attending the funerals of sitting justices. President George W. Bush not only attended, but also eulogized Supreme Court chief justice and fellow conservative William Rehnquist in 2005. But before him, the last justice to die in office was Robert H. Jackson in 1954.

< From here with my emphasis >.  Either way, I simply can't force myself to care about what dead person's party he's attending from one day to the next.



Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 11 2016,18:37
< President > Shitface says fuck your privacy, we own y'all bitches, and reserve the right to put your balls to a lawnmower blade if you're one of the legion of people we consider a "threat."
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But the president warned that America had already accepted that law enforcement can “rifle through your underwear” in searches for those suspected of preying on children, and he said there was no reason that a person’s digital information should be treated differently.

Actually, you cocksucking bastard, there is.  At the end of the day, you have more bullets and thugs than I do and more cages to detain me in.  There's nothing I can realistically do to stop that besides some sort of self-destruct mechanism.  In this case, you might be legitimately outgunned and have no recourse.  You just can't fucking stand NOT being able to stick your head 100% up everyone's asshole at will and you're reeling like a scared, little bitch.  Fuck the fuck off, dickhead.  You can't get out of office soon enough.



Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 16 2016,18:07
< If you hated Hillary >...
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 17 2016,06:48
< Michelle Obama, pop star. >

I honestly don't hate this as it's for a good cause, but it'll be less effective than "Just Say No".

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 17 2016,07:31
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...it'll be less effective than "Just Say No".

Motherfuck that idiocy and I hope Satan is stabbing her ass with a pitchfork for it.
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The presidency of Ronald Reagan marked the start of a long period of skyrocketing rates of incarceration, largely thanks to his unprecedented expansion of the drug war. The number of people behind bars for nonviolent drug law offenses increased from 50,000 in 1980 to over 400,000 by 1997.

Public concern about illicit drug use built throughout the 1980s, largely due to media portrayals of people addicted to the smokeable form of cocaine dubbed “crack.” Soon after Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, his wife, Nancy Reagan, began a highly-publicized anti-drug campaign, coining the slogan "Just Say No."

This set the stage for the zero tolerance policies implemented in the mid-to-late 1980s. Los Angeles Police Chief Daryl Gates, who believed that “casual drug users should be taken out and shot,” founded the DARE drug education program, which was quickly adopted nationwide despite the lack of evidence of its effectiveness. The increasingly harsh drug policies also blocked the expansion of syringe access programs and other harm reduction policies to reduce the rapid spread of HIV/AIDS.

In the late 1980s, a political hysteria about drugs led to the passage of draconian penalties in Congress and state legislatures that rapidly increased the prison population.

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 17 2016,08:12
You like drugs.

We get it.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 17 2016,08:25

(Leisher @ Mar. 17 2016,10:12)
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You like drugs.

We get it.

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The number of people behind bars for nonviolent drug law offenses increased from 50,000 in 1980 to over 400,000 by 1997.

I also like not overspending on corrupt private prison pricks.

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 18 2016,06:41
< Robert Gates is speaking out about Obama's bad decision making. >
Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 18 2016,08:40
There was nothing wrong with "Just Say No".  It was a bit lame and ineffective but ultimately harmless.  DARE was also lame, but with as much blatant misinformation they were spreading it probably did have some small effect.  But again harmless in itself.

It's the rest of that bullshit in that big quote up there that was the real problem.  That's just as much the fault of everyone else in Washington at the time.  You can't lay all that on one kooky old lady, Malcolm.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 18 2016,09:16
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But again harmless in itself.

The millions of dollars wasted on that horseshit may as well have been thrown into a volcano.



Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 18 2016,11:43
< Transparency >.
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In more than one in six cases, or 129,825 times, government searchers said they came up empty-handed last year. Such cases contributed to an alarming measurement: People who asked for records under the law received censored files or nothing in 77 percent of requests, also a record.

Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 18 2016,13:15

(Malcolm @ Mar. 18 2016,11:16)
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But again harmless in itself.

The millions of dollars wasted on that horseshit may as well have been thrown into a volcano.

In terms of government spending, that's practically the definition of harmless.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 18 2016,14:26

(TPRJones @ Mar. 18 2016,15:15)
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(Malcolm @ Mar. 18 2016,11:16)
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But again harmless in itself.

The millions of dollars wasted on that horseshit may as well have been thrown into a volcano.

In terms of government spending, that's practically the definition of harmless.

Then there's the bloating of the prison system, which has cost untold billions in terms of direct cash, lives, and time.  The country still follows an extremely cell-happy judicial philosophy.
Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 18 2016,21:06
I don't think you can blame any of that on the "Just Say No" or DARE campaigns.  If I have a cold my sore throat doesn't cause my fever.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 23 2016,10:09
< Obama > vows to piss off those in the Middle East even more.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 24 2016,12:18
< Health care costs staying low >.
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Obamacare insurance premiums will leap 6 percent a year over the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office said Thursday — growing faster than the costs of private insurance as insurers try to calibrate their plans for the new health marketplace.

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 03 2016,11:09
< VHA > is so fucked it needs to be shut down.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 04 2016,10:40

(Malcolm @ Apr. 03 2016,13:09)
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< VHA > is so fucked it needs to be shut down.

< More info >.
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The Choice Card program allows veterans to seek private medical care if VA is unable to provide it within a month of being requested, or if there is no VA facility near their homes. Not long after the program began, however, non-VA doctors and  hospitals began complaining they weren’t being paid for their services.

A survey of non-VA hospitals in Florida, for example, found VA owed more than $100 million in unpaid claims for services provided to veterans under the Choice Card program. Sixty percent of the hospitals described the problems in getting paid as inexplicable, with their claims mysteriously getting “lost.”

A growing number of doctors across the country are refusing to treat patients using the Choice Card for fear of never being paid.

Posted by GORDON on Apr. 04 2016,16:21
This guy says obamacare is causing a doctor shortage.

< http://www.americanthinker.com/blog....re.html >

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2016,10:30
< VHA > is really just hoping people forget about their appointments and die quietly.
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The agency said it has retrained thousands of schedulers and is updating software to make it easier for them to book appointments properly. A pilot program at 10 facilities allows veterans to book their own appointments, and the VA expects to roll that out nationwide, according to David Shulkin, a physician who took over as undersecretary for health at the VA in June.

Shulkin told USA TODAY he also initiated two massive, same-day efforts to try to provide care sooner for more than 100,000 veterans, and he said the agency also has increased capacity to get wait times down.

“We’ve expanded appointments, we have added evening hours and weekend hours, we’ve added 3 million square feet of space, we’ve hired 14,000 new providers,” he said.

Awesome, they're on this shit.
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In 2010, VA officials discovered schedulers were using “gaming strategies” to falsify wait times to meet agency performance targets, and they required all schedulers to undergo new training, once again.
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In the newly released reports, investigators found schedulers were using the same strategies. Most commonly, schedulers would start the wait clock on the day of the appointment they were booking rather than when the veteran wanted to be seen. The system then showed there was no wait time even if the veteran had to wait weeks or months for an appointment.

You can practically feel the love for the armed forces.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 08 2016,12:15
For the first time in its 73 year existance, < the NFIB is opposing a Supreme Court nomination. >

They're saying that Obama is lying about the candidate being moderate and that he's fallen on the side of the government in almost every case he's ever heard. The exceptions being when the other side was a union.

Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 08 2016,12:39
Garland is no moderate from an absolute perspective, no.  But he's a lot more moderate than Obama would prefer.  Likely a lot more moderate than Hillary would pick if things aren't done by then.  If Republicans block Garland too long the next option could be much worse.


Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2016,13:03

(Leisher @ Apr. 08 2016,14:15)
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For the first time in its 73 year existance, < the NFIB is opposing a Supreme Court nomination. >

They're saying that Obama is lying about the candidate being moderate and that he's fallen on the side of the government in almost every case he's ever heard. The exceptions being when the other side was a union.

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Duggan cites Garland’s decisions involving the EPA, the Commerce Clause and the NLRB as just a few examples of major concern. She writes, “What worries us is that Judge Garland has been consistently wrong on labor law. In fact, in 16 major labor decisions of Judge Garland’s that we examined, he ruled 16-0 in favor of the NLRB.”

Sounds like they've got a problem with the NLRB, which is it's own < special clusterfuck >.

Posted by Leisher on Apr. 08 2016,13:12
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If Republicans block Garland too long the next option could be much worse.


Didn't something like that happen once before?

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 08 2016,14:35
I've got no idea why the fuck they're taking this stance.  They aren't going to win.  The pachyderms are developing "Cleveland Syndrome."
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