Topic: This Trayvon Martin BS
started by: thibodeaux
Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 26 2012,17:37
So, it turns out (this is my shocked face) that < yeah, maybe Zimmerman WAS getting the shit beat out of him >. I knew from the start that any story where The Usual Suspects---Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, The Media, and Left-Wing Morons---were yelping for blood, that it would HAVE to be BS.Meanwhile, in Chicago, < 40 people were shot in one weekend >...most of them black. I'm sure Jesse and Al will get RIGHT ON THAT.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 26 2012,17:45
I wasn't there, I didn't see it, I have no actual information with which to form an opinion. I can see it going either way. To say I absolutely know what happened would be highly stupid of me.
Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 26 2012,17:51
I know one thing: it's petty stupid for all these people to start wearing hoodies because of this.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 26 2012,17:59
It's all stupid and tragic, on many levels, up to and including the people attending the "million hoodie march" and the black panthers for imposing bounties on people and busybody neighborhood watch fucktards initiating encounters with strangers.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 26 2012,18:37
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The ongoing violence, which is being blamed on a rise in Chicago temperatures,
Ummm.
At any rate, I have no idea why the Zimmerman guy was following Martin to begin. Seems like he initiated this whole thing, and is responsible for it. Manslaughter + civil case, imho.
I think the people are over-doing it, but I think they're completely justified in some kind of protest.
Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 26 2012,18:52
(TheCatt @ Mar. 26 2012,21:37)
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but I think they're completely justified in some kind of protest.
I agree with everything but that. Why aren't they protesting all the other murders of blacks? Or the murder of whites by blacks?
Because that happens EVERY FUCKING DAY, and it doesn't make whitey look bad.
FUCK the protestors. Fuck them in the ass. They are whores. They don't care about this kid.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 26 2012,19:45
Everyone knows Zimmerman is Hispanic right? No seriously.I've seen that talked about exactly once. Granted, I'm not reading all the stories on this, but of the ones I have read, it's only been mentioned one time.
I think it's an interesting point because if Zimmerman had been white, you'd see "who is white" after his name at least once in any article. By not stating it, they're kind of allowing people to guess he's white based on his name. Hispanic/black crime doesn't sell, as well as, white/black.
As for the whole controversy, I think the protestors reacted before knowing the facts, and that's wrong. However, Zimmerman wasn't very subtle in following Trayvon, and should he have followed him in the first place? According to the police, no. And I'd probably get upset if I felt I was being followed for no reason. However, if Zimmerman's story holds up, Trayvon was in the wrong for physically assaulting Zimmerman. Confront him, fine. Attack him once you realized he wasn't threatening you? No.
What did Zimmerman do to deserve getting his head bashed into the pavement? If his story is true, it was self-defense.
Until that part is known, nobody can protest because nobody knows the real story. So they're protesting based on an opinion, not fact.
Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 26 2012,20:11
(Leisher @ Mar. 26 2012,22:45)
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Everyone knows Zimmerman is Hispanic right? No seriously.
He's a racist, and only whites can be racist. QED.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 27 2012,04:46
< http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news....-school >QUOTE
Martin's killing has ignited racial tensions. Martin was black; Zimmerman's father is white and his mother Hispanic.
Just so we're clear.
White people are so racist.
Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 27 2012,06:37
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Martin's killing has ignited racial tensions. Martin was black; Zimmerman's father is white and his mother Hispanic.
This is what I'm talking about.
Black kills black: meh.
Black kills white: meh.
"White" kills black: RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIIIIIIIIIIIISMMMMM!
Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 27 2012,06:45
Well, clearly, that's because people just expect blacks to be violent killers. Whites are clearly better because they don't kill everyone they meet like blacks do. So it's news when one of them kills someone. Duh.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 27 2012,18:55
Blacks generally kill blacks, whites kill whites, others kill others.
From FBI's 2009 murder statistics.
Does this shut anyone up? Probably not.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 28 2012,04:55
Spike Lee tweeted Zimmerman's address. Too bad it was the wrong address and an elderly couple were forced to leave their home.< http://www.foxnews.com/us....estnews >
Stay classy, Spike Lee.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 28 2012,08:07
When do we get to stop pretending that Spike Lee, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson aren't racists?When do black people get to stop pretending that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson aren't exploiting them for personal gain?
When do white people get to stop pretending that black on white crime never happens, and is more common than white on black crime?
When the fuck is white guilt going to finally end? Hey crackers, you've spent trillions, purposely held your own children back, and sold your soul all because of crimes your ancestors probably had nothing to do with...I think you can let it go now.
If folks in this country are so concerned about our history of slavery, why aren't people on both sides of the argument doing more about the existing slavery on this planet? Oh yeah, it doesn't affect them so they don't care.
How pissed are Hispanics that blacks get all the press in this country when it comes to minorities despite Hispanics vastly outnumbering them?
Is Spike Lee going to cover the hotel expenses for that poor elderly couple? If not, why aren't people calling him on it? Why isn't he being arrested for inciting violence?
When does this entire nation get to wake up and see that forcing people to not be racists doesn't cure racism, it breeds it?
Oh, and by the way, according to all accounts at this point Trayvon Martin initiated physical contact with Zimmerman, and was bashing Zimmerman's head into the concrete. Yet protests are being held around the nation demanding justice for Trayvon, and every news outlet has a headline daily about this case.
Meanwhile, < crimes like this > go largely unreported, and when anyone brings it up, they're mocked and called a racist. When Al and Jesse show up to protest about a crime like this and demand justice for the victims, I'll take them seriously. Until then, they're just racist, self-serving assholes.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 28 2012,08:20
And my wife wonders why I want a gun.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 28 2012,08:34
The crime I linked is the most horrific thing I've come across in years, if not my lifetime. I honestly want to forget I ever heard about it.
ALL of the defendants should not be given prison, but simply put to death immediately. People involved in something like that have zero value to the human race. They should be terminated both as a warning to others, and to stop their DNA and/or moral values from being passed on.
Trayvon Martin's parents sleep easy compared to what Channon Christian and Christopher Newson's parents nights must be like.
Posted by Troy on Mar. 28 2012,09:23
(Leisher @ Mar. 28 2012,08:34)
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Trayvon Martin's parents sleep easy compared to what Channon Christian and Christopher Newson's parents nights must be like.
Also pretend I quoted Catt, because after reading that story, I too want a gun.
Edit: < This one probably had the right amount of Press >
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 28 2012,12:04
< Rep. Bobby Rush wears hoodie in House > to protest Trayvon's death and gets escorted out. What's interesting is that Representative Rush is from Illinois and he pulled this stunt on a day when Trayvon's parents were at Congress to talk about hate crimes. (Someone explain to me how they're now experts on hate crimes...)
So why is it interesting that he's from Illinois?
Because maybe, just maybe, he should be more concerned about something else...:
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Meanwhile, in Chicago, 40 people were shot in one weekend...most of them black. I'm sure Jesse and Al will get RIGHT ON THAT.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 29 2012,10:20
Deeply apologize? How does one apologize deeply? I mean, I understand that a person of great empathy could feel deep regret or remorse for an ill-advised action, but what does "deeply apologize" mean? Apologizing from a great depth? What, deep water?
I'm probably being nitpicky, but I think he might just be a fucking Sotomayor-caliber retard.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 29 2012,10:39
Spike Lee is a huge racist, and apparently, a subpar human being. "Hey my bad for trying to send a mob to kill you without double checking my facts, and making sure you were the actual intended target."
The least he could do is pay for their expenses.
By the way, why has nobody pressed charges against him yet. Seriously, why post an address to who you thought was George Zimmerman unless you want something bad to happen to him?
Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 29 2012,10:54
< Parents of murdered British students criticise Barack Obama >Black kills white, so not racist.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 29 2012,12:07
(thibodeaux @ Mar. 29 2012,13:54)
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< Parents of murdered British students criticise Barack Obama >
Black kills white, so not racist.
Black kills white, so not racist.
This just feeds into the leftie idea that there is nothing Obama can do that wont be criticized by conservatives.
Those British parents may or may not be conservative... it won't matter for at least a week. Then no one will remember.
Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 29 2012,12:16
(GORDON @ Mar. 29 2012,15:07)
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Those British parents may or may not be conservative.
There are no British conservatives.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 29 2012,12:24
(thibodeaux @ Mar. 29 2012,15:16)
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(GORDON @ Mar. 29 2012,15:07)
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Those British parents may or may not be conservative.
There are no British conservatives.
But it wont matter.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 29 2012,12:58
Per the stats Gordo linked:454 murders were NOT racist, and didn't need protests led by Al and Jesse, tweets from black celebrities, and mentions from the president.
209 WERE racist...
At least that's how our completely unbiased media see it.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 29 2012,21:19
< Spike agrees to pay for their expenses. >Good for him. That's a nice move. I still want him to explain his rationale for posting the address in the first place though.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 29 2012,21:20
(Leisher @ Mar. 30 2012,00:19)
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< Spike agrees to pay for their expenses. >
Good for him. That's a nice move. I still want him to explain his rationale for posting the address in the first place though.
Good for him. That's a nice move. I still want him to explain his rationale for posting the address in the first place though.
WHEN KEEPIN IT REAL GOES WRONG.
Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 30 2012,05:19
< Roseanne Barr tweets the real address, then pulls the tweet >.QUOTE
Barr, who deleted her tweet in the face of criticism from some Twitter followers, noted that she first thought it “was good to let ppl know that no one can hide anymore.” That stance quickly changed, with Barr reporting, “But vigilante-ism is what killed Trayvon. I don’t support that.”
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Still, the entertainer left open the possibility that she would again circulate the Seminole County address of Zimmerman’s parents. “If Zimmerman isn’t arrested I’ll rt his address again.” She added, “maybe go 2 his house myself.”
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Still, the entertainer left open the possibility that she would again circulate the Seminole County address of Zimmerman’s parents. “If Zimmerman isn’t arrested I’ll rt his address again.” She added, “maybe go 2 his house myself.”
I swear to God, this stuff is impossible to parody.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 30 2012,06:54
Spike Lee and Roseanne Barr should be arrested. They are inciting violence. If Zimmerman's parents are murdered, then they should be accessories. Hell, they might as well be pulling the trigger themselves. By the way, Zimmerman's parents are most likely in hiding. Did I mention before that a co-worker's kid just murdered someone? Well, it happened, and when they arrested him, they moved his family to help them avoid any retaliation from the victim's family or friends. (As it turns out, he had neither.)
So if that's standard procedure, and I believe it is, then they are not at any known address right now.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 30 2012,07:33
I'd like to say this makes me have less respect for Roseanne Barr, and I am highly shocked and outraged.... but honestly, I already had no respect for her, and this isn't surprising to me. And I agree, there should be charges if something happens.Same with Spike.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 02 2012,15:35
< http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp....3302012 >QUOTE
"I saw George. He was banged up. His head had two big bandages, that weren't flat, had a bump on them," the neighbor, who did not want to be identified, said.
Why doesn't he want to be identified? Could it be...hmm...that he's a RACIST?
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 02 2012,17:04
Or doesn't want the Black Panthers coming after him, or Spike or Rosie publishing his home address.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 02 2012,18:46
(GORDON @ Apr. 02 2012,20:04)
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Or doesn't want the Black Panthers coming after him, or Spike or Rosie publishing his home address.
You racist, you.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 02 2012,18:47
I'm keeping my mouth shut. I don't want the Black Panthers putting a bounty on me, or Spike or Rosie posting my home address.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 03 2012,19:11
< Awesome >.
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 04 2012,07:36
Passionate but nonsensical. It's like all the individual words are English, but when you string them together they don't have even the tiniest bit of sense among them. Like word salad.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 04 2012,08:01
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word salad.
I am stealing that.
Not sure if this was brought up yet, but < NBC edited Zimmerman's 911 call. > They removed the operator's question to Zimmerman regarding the ethnicity of the suspect, and made it sound like Zimmerman pointed out Trayvon was black.
But remember, they're credible, and only Fox News lies!
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 04 2012,08:32
(Leisher @ Apr. 04 2012,10:01)
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word salad.
I am stealing that.
Sure, but no need to steal as it's not original with me. It's < a real thing >.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 05 2012,12:37
< Holy Toledo >:QUOTE
Here is hippie peacenik Mr. Dallas Watts, a frail old man who was drop-kicked and beaten by a gang of six. “Remember Trayvon,” he says he told them when they started surrounding them. It was a call to refrain from attacking someone on the basis of his color, but the Very Rotten Children, 11-17, took it instead as an incitement to do just that, and began kicking the shit out of him while yelling “kill the white man.”
If I had a grandfather, he would look like Dallas Watts.
Also, if I had balls, I'd post that to Facebook. Gordon...how bout you?
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 05 2012,13:44
I'm your huckleberry.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 05 2012,13:56
You didn't put the tagline!
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 05 2012,13:59
The grandfather-line? I was waiting for someone to get pissed at me, then I was going to post that.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 05 2012,14:08
ooh, good plan.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 11 2012,11:30
< Great article about the double standard in race crimes. >This guy should be a leader in the black community, not racists and hate mongers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 11 2012,12:53
Uncle Tom.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 11 2012,13:59
Here's some of the management for the Black Panthers calling for a race war against, "Crackers, Pigs, and Pink People."< http://content.bitsontherun.com/previews/WestL0Mn-dh3Zgtip >
The date on it is April 7.
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 11 2012,14:50
Let's just lock the Black Panthers and the KKK in a room together and let them talk out their problems. With guns and knives. We'd all be better off after.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 11 2012,18:48
Well that audio is obviously faked because black people can't be racist.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 12 2012,06:26
< Zimmerman charged with second degree murder. >Unless the prosecution has some big smoking gun that nobody else knows about, this is all about pandering to Jesse Jackson and his ilk.
An unbiased witness saw Trayvon beating the shit out of Zimmerman, Zimmerman has a broken nose and wounds to his head that backup his story and the witness', medical records match those wounds, NBC had to doctor the 911 call to make Zimmerman sound racist (Zimmerman actually mentors young black kids), etc.
And again, I think Zimmerman was in the wrong for his initial actions, but he wasn't out to kill this kid, and it wasn't about race despite what Jesse, Al, and NBC say.
I think they filed this big charge so they can try and walk away with manslaughter.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 12 2012,06:43
I'm sure the DoJ and Eric "My People" Holder were not pushing them AT ALL. I mean, it's not like Zimmerman killed the President's son or anything.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 12 2012,06:57
We know from the 911 calls that Zimmerman instigated the entire affair. We know that he was armed and he had no evidence that Trayvon had committed a crime or was even doing anything wrong.QUOTE
He looked like he might be on drugs and “up to no good.”
“It’s raining. He’s just walking around, looking about,” Zimmerman told the dispatcher. “He’s just staring looking at all the houses.”
Later, he lamented: “These a**holes always get away.”
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As he narrates where the man was headed, the dispatcher asks, “are you following him?”
“Yeah,” Zimmerman said.
“We don’t need you to do that.”
“It’s raining. He’s just walking around, looking about,” Zimmerman told the dispatcher. “He’s just staring looking at all the houses.”
Later, he lamented: “These a**holes always get away.”
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As he narrates where the man was headed, the dispatcher asks, “are you following him?”
“Yeah,” Zimmerman said.
“We don’t need you to do that.”
Even after being instructed to not do what he was doing, he continued.
2nd degree fits. Enjoy prison, bitch.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 12 2012,07:14
Wrong. We don't know what happened between then and when he started getting the CRAP beat out of him by Martin. Maybe he instigated it: after all, we NEVER hear of a young black man beating up on somebody just for being "disrespected."Bullshit.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 12 2012,07:20
Just for comparison, < here's another 2nd degree murder case in Florida >:QUOTE
Details released today in documents by the State Attorney’s Office reveal a catalogue of hundreds of bloody items examined by investigators in the home of a Naples man accused of beheading his girlfriend last July.
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Among the bloody items are several knives, a Louisville Slugger baseball bat, beer bottles, cigarettes and clothes.
The evidence list also includes two nipples pinned to either side of Serna’s bedroom door frame with white thumb tacks that were sent to the medical examiner’s office.
Several CDs and DVDs are also listed among the items in his home, including movies such as The A-Z Encyclopedia of Serial Killers, The Night Stalker and Blood Feast.
According to reports, deputies who arrived at Serna's apartment early July 26 found him coated in blood and unable to speak. Inside, the floors were covered in gore. Bishop's head was stuck on a pole in the living room. Her nude body was found on the floor in a pool of blood in a bedroom.
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Among the bloody items are several knives, a Louisville Slugger baseball bat, beer bottles, cigarettes and clothes.
The evidence list also includes two nipples pinned to either side of Serna’s bedroom door frame with white thumb tacks that were sent to the medical examiner’s office.
Several CDs and DVDs are also listed among the items in his home, including movies such as The A-Z Encyclopedia of Serial Killers, The Night Stalker and Blood Feast.
According to reports, deputies who arrived at Serna's apartment early July 26 found him coated in blood and unable to speak. Inside, the floors were covered in gore. Bishop's head was stuck on a pole in the living room. Her nude body was found on the floor in a pool of blood in a bedroom.
Again: BULLSHIT.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 12 2012,07:20
Leaving aside the silliness of assuming you know what happened at an event you didn't witness in which there are conflicting reports...Why in the FUCK would a parent, who just lost a child, be thanking jesus for anything? That's just fucking sick.
< http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news....rd?lite >
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 12 2012,08:05
We have the 911 recordings showing he was following someone he shouldn't have been following, that's initiating the incident. WE KNOW THAT. He ignored the dispatcher, he should have fallen back/left the scene. But, of course, he didn't cuz he was packing a gun and felt bolstered by it. He knew that if shit happened, he could just shoot the guy. He didn't have to worry about a fistfight.QUOTE
Second Degree Murder is a murder that is not premeditated or planned in advance
How was that incident Thib linked not 1st degree?
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 12 2012,08:11
(TheCatt @ Apr. 12 2012,11:05)
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We have the 911 recordings showing he was following someone he shouldn't have been following, that's initiating the incident. WE KNOW THAT. He ignored the dispatcher, he should have fallen back/left the scene. But, of course, he didn't cuz he was packing a gun and felt bolstered by it. He knew that if shit happened, he could just shoot the guy. He didn't have to worry about a fistfight.
1. I thought this was America: who is "someone you shouldn't be following?"
2. That's NOT initiating an incident. Zimmerman has as much right to walk through his neighborhood as Martin.
3. The dispatcher can't tell you to do squat; they're not the boss of you. This is America, remember?
4. Maybe he was carrying a gun because his neighborhood was frequently targeted by violent felons.
5. We STILL don't know why Martin attacked Zimmerman; maybe Zimmerman started it, and maybe not. Following someone doesn't cut it as provocation.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 12 2012,09:19
Was about to say, "none of that is illegal," but Thib covered it.Also I read somewhere that there was a bit of a crime wave going on in the neighborhood, and Zimmerman was the one who volunteered when the community wanted to organize a "Crime Watch" thing, and he actually was effective in catching some of the thieves. I have no sources to cite at the moment.
Point being, this isn't some random racist hispanic dude slapping on a 6-shooter and looking for darkies in the night. There is context.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 12 2012,09:42
Weren't some peeps asking why it isn't called "hate crime" when black people attack white people?This cop says that to do so would be "race baiting."
< http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster....-879234 >
It seems like we treat the black community in this country like children, sometimes. Mustn't upset the delicate, volatile black people, I guess. Is that line of thinking racist, or enlightened?
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 12 2012,09:55
I have to disagree with you Catt. Following someone because you believe he might be suspicious, while wrong, does not make you guilty of 2nd degree murder if a confrontation with that person ends up with him being dead. This is especially true if HE instigated the confrontation.
I've stated before that Zimmerman was wrong to follow Martin, but honestly, was he? As Thib points out, this is a free country, and he was trying to protect his commuity.
Also, Zimmerman said that when the cops asked him to stop following Zimmerman, he did and was returning to his truck. That's when Martin approached him and initiated contact. According to his story, Martin also threw the first punch, said he would kill him, and slammed Zimmerman's head into the cement.
This story has been mostly proven true by other witnesses and Zimmerman's injuries.
So where is the intent to kill Martin? If there's no intent, it's manslaughter.
So again, unless the prosecutor has a smoking gun that nobody knows about which proves Zimmerman intended to kill Martin, he cannot be convicted of murder.
Manslaughter? Yes. Murder? No.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 12 2012,10:50
It's certainly a free country, but he was advised to quit doing what he was doing, which certainly makes him eligible for 2nd degree murder, something along the lines of "reckless disregard." Manslaughter? I'd accept that too.
Scot-free: No.
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Also, Zimmerman said that when the cops asked him to stop following Zimmerman, he did and was returning to his truck. That's when Martin approached him and initiated contact. According to his story, Martin also threw the first punch, said he would kill him, and slammed Zimmerman's head into the cement.
If I intentionally killed someone, I would say I was innocent too. I give him 0 credibility.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 12 2012,11:03
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It's certainly a free country, but he was advised to quit doing what he was doing, which certainly makes him eligible for 2nd degree murder, something along the lines of "reckless disregard."
Uh, what am I missing here that you're taking this so personally?
According to Zimmerman, he DID quit following Trayvon and was either at his truck or on his way to it when Trayvon came up behind him and started the confrontation.
IF that's true, and so far evidence points to his story being legit, then how can you say he's responsible for Trayvon's death?
If Trayvon started the confrontation, threw the first punch, and was slamming Zimmerman's head into cement, Zimmerman was within his rights, by law, to kill Trayvon.
That's not opinion. That's fact.
IF Zimmerman's story is proven to be false, then he's facing murder or manslaughter. However, it seems to me that you've already convicted him.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 12 2012,11:11
Normally I would have no opinion in something like this, but in this particular case, the screeching of the "black community" for Zimmerman's head, and the media's outright LIES in service of that, are bringing me down on Zimmerman's side. Given what we know---i.e., very little, other than Zimmerman was getting assaulted by Martin---is for enough for reasonable doubt. Were I on the jury, and there were no other facts in evidence, I would vote to acquit.Fuckit, I don't care if this sounds racist: Black People Are Violent. There are too, too many examples of blacks beating people, stomping people, LIGHTING PEOPLE ON FIRE, for white people to be afraid to use deadly force to protect themselves against blacks. And that's what we're going to get, if prosecutors can be bullied by a lying news media into trying a man for murder for defending himself.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 12 2012,11:34
The 12 year old boy I saw in that picture would never start a fight with a grown man.
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 12 2012,16:23
I think it's very likely Zimmerman went too far in pushing Trayvon and is minimizing that point to protect himself. I think if that is true he should be punished. Not that Trayvon was necessarily entirely innocent. I'm sure he pushed Zimmerman some right at the end of the encounter and helped along this tragedy with his stupidity compounded on top of Zimmerman's.However, none of that matters. There is clearly not enough evidence to convict. Reasonable doubt and all that. And so be it, sometimes that's how the justice system works.
I don't think Zimmerman is an intentional murderer who will go out and find another victim. I suspect that if he did screw up here and cause this he'll probably be haunted by it for the rest of his life. And that will have to be punishment enough.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 12 2012,16:57
(Leisher @ Apr. 12 2012,14:03)
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It's certainly a free country, but he was advised to quit doing what he was doing, which certainly makes him eligible for 2nd degree murder, something along the lines of "reckless disregard."
Uh, what am I missing here that you're taking this so personally?
According to Zimmerman, he DID quit following Trayvon and was either at his truck or on his way to it when Trayvon came up behind him and started the confrontation.
IF that's true, and so far evidence points to his story being legit, then how can you say he's responsible for Trayvon's death?
If Trayvon started the confrontation, threw the first punch, and was slamming Zimmerman's head into cement, Zimmerman was within his rights, by law, to kill Trayvon.
That's not opinion. That's fact.
IF Zimmerman's story is proven to be false, then he's facing murder or manslaughter. However, it seems to me that you've already convicted him.
Not aware I'm taking anything personally?
I've seen/heard/read no evidence/witnesses supporting his story whatsoever. Feel free to link some.
Sure, he was within his rights, except for the fact that he started the whole thing. He was the instigator, and he did it, probably because he felt confident from having a gun.
I absolutely think he's guilty of manslaughter or more, but that's just my opinion based on what I know. I obviously cannot convict him, and certainly we don't know the truth (and, never will).
He should sit in his house, posting his opinions on the tubes, and then no one would ever have gotten hurt.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 12 2012,21:00
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Not aware I'm taking anything personally?
Sorry, I took your "nd degree fits. Enjoy prison, bitch." to be more than it was.
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I've seen/heard/read no evidence/witnesses supporting his story whatsoever. Feel free to link some.
< Neighbor who saw the injuries >
< NBC edited the 911 call. >
< From Thib's post on page 1. >
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With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered, law-enforcement authorities told the Orlando Sentinel.
That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.
That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say.
There's more out there that say or, to be fair, imply at least one person saw the altercation or part of it. (Google them, you'll see they're from "legit" sources from both political viewpoints.) There's lots of news articles that talk about George's obvious injuries. There's no doubt his nose was broken and the back of his head banged up.
Again, IF Zimmerman's story is true, the shooting occurred because Trayvon initiated the confrontation and aggression. However, I'm still torn on Zimmerman's initial tailing of Trayvon. It could easily be argued that his motives were ok in tailing Trayvon, but the "why" is suspect. That's what the protestors are pissed about, that "why". Also, it's very clear he shouldn't have tailed Trayvon per what the police trained him to do.
However, I think everything prior to the confrontation is a separate issue from the actual confrontation. Zimmerman could very well be in the wrong for everything that happened until the confrontation occurred, but once that started, IF Zimmerman's story is true, then per the "Stand Your Ground" law, he's innocent.
Obviously, if his story is BS, then he deserves jail.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 13 2012,04:39
I thought the police story had already been shot down as basically just accepting what Zimmerman said, leading witnesses, and basically being a bunch of BS so they didn't have to do any work.He's still out there tailing and creating this incident. So yes, I still think he's guilty.
At any rate, I think we will never, ever know what happened between the 911 call and the shooting.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 13 2012,04:52
Only one person alive knows, but that will not stop this circus from happening.I would never have turned myself in. He is either going to go to prison forever, or be released which will cause OJ-sized race riots, and have a target on his back forever, all based on whether the jury hated black people, or white people more. Yes, I realize he is as white as Obama is... but that is how this story is being told. Whitey killed a black man. No matter how long the lawyers talk, it is all circumstantial, at this point.
I would have disappeared when I had the chance.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 13 2012,05:01
OK, I'm guessing he gets manslaughter or something. Unless the uncovered something in the investigation, we still have him tailing, getting out of his SUV, and approaching Travyon. Maybe there's no criminal case, maybe it's just civil. But I still think he is guilty/responsible based on what we know.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 13 2012,05:11
What I would like answered is, why did the media go all-out in trying to create race riots?
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 13 2012,05:28
(GORDON @ Apr. 13 2012,08:11)
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What I would like answered is, why did the media go all-out in trying to create race riots?
Yeah, that NBC editing was POOR.
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 13 2012,06:17
NBC hates white people.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 13 2012,06:20
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I thought the police story had already been shot down as basically just accepting what Zimmerman said, leading witnesses, and basically being a bunch of BS so they didn't have to do any work.
Just wow. If I were you, I'd switch news sources. I'm not sure how you arrived at those conclusions regarding this case, but the black panthers approve.
I mean, if you think George Zimmerman is the whitest man alive who was driving around in his KKK outfit and snuck up behind Martin, while he was rescuing an orphan and a puppy from a tornado, and murdered him in cold blood for no reason, then yes, your statement is accurate.
There has been no part of this investigation that the police have fucked up.
Read that again for effect.
When the MSM ran with this story, they immediately tried to go after the cops as being racist, but they failed miserably. That's why that angle has been dropped by everyone except for the racist protestors who are using Trayvon's death to further their own agenda.
The MSM were outraged when they found out nobody was arrested, and the police responded by saying "we can't arrest him due to the 'Stand Your Ground' law". Then the white police chief stepped down temporarily as a show of transparency. The new chief, who is black, stepped up and said, "we can't arrest him due to the 'Stand Your Ground' law."
There has been ZERO evidence that shows George Zimmerman should have been arrested, even NOW. That's why legal experts are so stunned that they're charging him with 2nd degree murder.
Saying the cops have fucked the case up was ALL OPINION. It wasn't based on any facts whatsoever. It literally was based on racism. "Black kid dies and nobody gets arrested because of the racist cops."
No, because of a law that the MSM, and most people don't know or understand that Florida and 16 other states put into place so people can stop being victims.
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Unless the uncovered something in the investigation, we still have him tailing, getting out of his SUV, and approaching Travyon. Maybe there's no criminal case, maybe it's just civil. But I still think he is guilty/responsible based on what we know.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Actually, let me break that down more specifically:
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we still have him tailing
Yep
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getting out of his SUV
Yep
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and approaching Travyon.
NOPE. Not according to the official version of events.
The MSM painted George as the one who started the confrontation way back when this story first broke. They talked about how Trayvon was on the phone with his girlfriend, and how he told her he was going to walk faster to get away from the guy following him.
That girlfriend is part of why people got their panties in a bunch. Her story helped paint Trayvon as the victim. They couldn't believe the cops didn't interview her. What people don't get is that her story is meaningless. She wasn't talking to Trayvon when the confrontation occurred, and SHE WASN'T THERE. So everything she says he told her means nothing because there's no proof it's the truth.
You could call me and describe driving through the city while you're really at home chopping up a transient. Talking on the phone to someone doesn't prove any alibi or evidence.
Back to the official story, right now the guy whose story is checking out is Zimmerman's.
He was on the phone with the police and they said not to tail Martin and he said "ok", and claims to have stopped. He claims he was heading back to his truck when Trayvon approached him from his rear and to the left. He details a conversation that he and Trayvon had at that moment. He says Trayvon asked him if he had a problem, told him he did now, and then decked him with one punch, which broke his nose. Guess what? Zimmerman has a broken nose!!!! He says Trayvon was on top of him slamming his head into the pavement telling him he's going to die today. Guess what? Zimmerman has wounds on the back of his head to match this story!!!! That's when he shot Trayvon and guess what, his wounds match up too!
Oh, and the stories given by witnesses match Zimmerman's story.
So right now, ask yourself something: Trayvon is dead. His call with his girlfriend was ended prior to the altercation. All witnesses and Zimmerman tell one story. There is no video of the incident. The police say Zimmerman's story is checking out based on all evidence.
Those are all FACTS.
So who is telling this other story? Where are these "facts" coming from that Trayvon wasn't the aggressor, and that Zimmerman was just a racist monster looking to kill an innocent black kid?
Look no farther than the MSM and the hate mongers like Sharpton and Jackson.
So that's what we know based on all evidence presented to the public.
Now, I agree that Zimmerman put himself and Martin in harm's way by tailing Trayvon, but who is ultimately responsible for Trayvon's death?
If the current evidence presented proves to be true, Trayvon is responsible for Trayvon getting killed.
End of story.
Oh, and here's something interesting, did you know that this occurred one month before the MSM picked up on the story? That community didn't even bat an eye at the incident. Now it's national news?!?
Now what about this story do you think made the MSM run with it?
Why has the MSM said that the recent story of two white people who got carjacked, kidnapped, tortured, raped, and murdered by 5-6 black people isn't national news worthy? (Google Channon Christian, but I warn you, it isn't pretty. What happened to those two has haunted me since I learned about that case. It's one of the most horrific crimes ever. What's even more disgusting is how the left has pretended like it isn't a big deal. Read the details of the actual crime, read the sensationalized email that stretches the truth, then read the Snopes site and it's OPINION piece on the issue. I used to think the "Snopes is liberally biased" claims were BS, but between this one, and a couple of politically themed ones I've seen there recently, I know it's true. Many of their articles are based on opinion and speculation, and not actual researched facts. Did I get off on a tangent there or what? Is anyone still reading this?)
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What I would like answered is, why did the media go all-out in trying to create race riots?
This is simple: money.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 13 2012,06:21
My typing fingers hate that I'm Italian.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 14 2012,10:21
< Lawyer says probably cause affidafit is "piece of crap." >RTWT.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 14 2012,13:38
< If you think the evidence points to Zimmerman's guilt, you should read this >.You're probably still buying the media's bullshit.
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I took the media’s claims at face value and erroneously labeled George Zimmerman a murderer based upon false information that was designed to arrange a lynching.
I won’t get fooled again...
I won’t get fooled again...
*MY* first clue that this was bullshit was < Al Sharpton >. Why is he still listened to anyway?
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 14 2012,14:14
'People' listen to Sharpton because he makes his living telling black folks that white folks are responsible for their problems.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 20 2012,11:04
Alan Dershowitz says the 2nd degree murder charge is bullshit, and unethical.< http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Gov....immoral >
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 24 2012,08:24
< JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON. >Better be careful talking about this, wouldn't want to start race riots.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 24 2012,09:25
You think this is bad? Guess what it'll be like if Obama loses. You better get your mind right, Whitey.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 24 2012,09:35
Actually, this is a perfect illustration of the social/political dynamic in this country. Basically: only "white" people have moral agency. And there are two kinds of white people: evil white people (racist redneck gun loving homo-hating crackers) and good white people (guess). Everybody else is a prop for the good white people to show how much better they are than the bad white people.Take this beating. Inexcusable, right? Except there's probably somebody somewhere saying, "but I understand: they were acting out their anger at the injustice." In other words: they couldn't help themselves, and it's because they're not white. They aren't PEOPLE; they're props in the battle. Because don't you think George Zimmerman was a little angry that his neighborhood was a target of criminals, who always managed to get away? Wouldn't that make him angry? So wouldn't that justify him maybe beating the crap out of or shooting a punk....even a punk who hadn't actually done anything wrong at the time?
Nope. He's white. And since he victimized a victim, he must be a Bad White Person. So he's basically Hitler.
We saw this after 9/11, too. The War on Terror is OK now that the Good White People are in charge. When the Bad White People were in charge, it was all our fault.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 26 2012,08:46
Oh my goodness, look what happens when people take an honest look at the facts:< http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/141612/ >
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During the time Zimmerman was in hiding, his detractors defined him as a vigilante who had decided Martin was suspicious merely because he was black. After Zimmerman was finally arrested on a charge of second-degree murder more than six weeks after the shooting, prosecutors portrayed him as a violent and angry man who disregarded authority by pursuing the 17-year-old.
But a more nuanced portrait of Zimmerman has emerged from a Reuters investigation into Zimmerman’s past and a series of incidents in the community in the months preceding the Martin shooting.
Based on extensive interviews with relatives, friends, neighbors, schoolmates and co-workers of Zimmerman in two states, law enforcement officials, and reviews of court documents and police reports, the story sheds new light on the man at the center of one of the most controversial homicide cases in America.
The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate. He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather – the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.
A criminal justice student who aspired to become a judge, Zimmerman also concerned himself with the safety of his neighbors after a series of break-ins committed by young African-American men.
Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.
“Let’s talk about the elephant in the room. I’m black, OK?” the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. “There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood,” she said. “That’s why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin.”
But a more nuanced portrait of Zimmerman has emerged from a Reuters investigation into Zimmerman’s past and a series of incidents in the community in the months preceding the Martin shooting.
Based on extensive interviews with relatives, friends, neighbors, schoolmates and co-workers of Zimmerman in two states, law enforcement officials, and reviews of court documents and police reports, the story sheds new light on the man at the center of one of the most controversial homicide cases in America.
The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate. He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather – the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.
A criminal justice student who aspired to become a judge, Zimmerman also concerned himself with the safety of his neighbors after a series of break-ins committed by young African-American men.
Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.
“Let’s talk about the elephant in the room. I’m black, OK?” the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. “There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood,” she said. “That’s why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin.”
Fuck you, black panthers.
Fuck you, spike lee.
Fuck you, whoever that other washed up celebrity was tweeting addresses. I forget the name.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 26 2012,09:03
< http://www.foxnews.com/us....7RoG81j >Black guy beats up white guy, says it is because of anger for Trayvon.
What makes this interesting and unique:
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Hayes was charged with attempted robbery, aggravated battery and a hate crime, all felonies. His teenage comrade was referred to juvenile court.
No fucking way.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 27 2012,11:10
The MSM ignores black on white crime. That's not opinion, that's fact. They don't give a shit because it doesn't cause a big shit storm that gets ratings and sells papers. I mean, it WOULD, but they've made it taboo to hint that anyone but whitey is racist.
On a different note, some website raised the money for Zimmerman's bail, so < the judge is considering revoking or raising it. >
WTF? How is that legal?
"Oh, you can afford that? Then let's double it..."
Posted by TPRJones on Apr. 28 2012,08:49
Well, the purpose of such a bond is to make sure the defendant has a strong vested interest in showing up for trial. If he doesn't have a stake in that money - which he doesn't if it's coming from a public collection - then it doesn't serve that purpose. So I can understand why it might be increased. But he doesn't seem like a flight risk. He's been nothing but totally cooperative, as far as I can tell. They should have released him on his own recognizance.
Posted by GORDON on May 08 2012,14:43
< "Trayvon's Law. >Mommy government now saving us from our state laws.
Posted by TheCatt on May 08 2012,16:08
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"'Shoot-first' laws have already cost too many lives. In Florida alone, deaths due to self-defense have tripled since the law was enacted. Federal money shouldn't be spent supporting states with laws that endanger their own people," said Reps. Raul Grijalva of Arizona and Keith Ellison of Minnesota, the two Democrats who are offering the legislation. "This is no different than withholding transportation funds from states that don't enforce seat-belt laws."
Yes, both are overzealous government bullshit.
Posted by GORDON on May 16 2012,08:23
Looks like Zimmerman was getting the crap beat out of him.< http://www.foxnews.com/us....njuries >
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Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head after the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
Read more: < http://www.foxnews.com/us....2wtUTIL >
Read more: < http://www.foxnews.com/us....2wtUTIL >
I only mentioned it since it was said in the same news articles, along side Trayvon's smiling grade school picture, it was suggested that Zimmerman the White Man had no evidence of injury.
Posted by Leisher on May 16 2012,18:58
MSM: "Uhm...so it looks more and more like Zimmerman is going to get off based on all the facts of the case. Those are the details we ignored in our mad rush to condemn him and increase newspaper sales. What do we do now?"< Blame the cops. >
Did the cops make mistakes? Probably a couple, but the items listed in that article are stretches. This reeks of saving face.
Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?
Posted by GORDON on May 17 2012,06:17
For those of you keeping score at home, MSNBC is in the bag.< http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news....ws?lite >
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Separately, a medical report on Martin’s alleged killer, 28-year-old George Zimmerman, prepared by his personal physician the day after Martin’s shooting in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, found that the Neighborhood Watch volunteer suffered a likely broken nose, swelling, two black eyes and cuts to the scalp.
....
The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle.
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The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle.
Official report vs. the dude's own biased doctor... got it.
One thing that just occurred to me is that people say the STAND YOUR GROUND law is flawed, and Zimmerman should still be convicted because he could have just run away. But... why isn't there any argument that Trayvon should have just run away, too? Is there a double standard when it comes to who is expected to have morals and common sense?
And lastly...
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But after questions about possible racial motivation for the slaying – Martin was black; Zimmerman is a white man of Hispanic heritage...
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 16 2012,07:56
< New controversy. >Yeah, let's put up a memorial for a drug dealer. Wrongly killed or not, why does he warrant a permanent memorial?
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 11 2013,10:41
I would schedule unnecessary, invasive surgery to get out of < this >.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 11 2013,11:38
Did you see that they were asking people to describe what they thought of Trayvon, and many potential jurors were describing him as a boy of 10-12 years old?Tell me the MSM doesn't influence the morons of this country.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 27 2013,11:54
< The new O.J. trial kicks off >.QUOTE
"A man was watching him," said Rachel Jeantel, 19, who was on the phone with Martin just before he was fatally shot. "He said the man kept watching him. He kept complaining that a man was just watching him."
...
"And then he said, 'That N-word is still following me now,'" said Jeantel. "I asked him how the man looked like. He just told me the man looked 'creepy.' 'Creepy, white' -- excuse my language -- 'cracker. Creepy [expletive] cracker."
...
"And then he said, 'That N-word is still following me now,'" said Jeantel. "I asked him how the man looked like. He just told me the man looked 'creepy.' 'Creepy, white' -- excuse my language -- 'cracker. Creepy [expletive] cracker."
A couple things:
1) How can you apply both those racials slurs to the same person?
2) She bowderlized "nigger" but "cracker" is said fully, albeit with a disclaimer.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 27 2013,13:23
1 nword is not just a racial slur.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 27 2013,13:47
So he was using it in a familiar sense with a dude he didn't know?
Posted by thibodeaux on Jun. 27 2013,14:33
< http://abcnews.go.com/US....6Pmsi-0 >QUOTE
In a painfully embarrassing moment, Jeantel was forced to admit that she did not write a letter that was sent to Martin's mother describing what she allegedly heard on a phone call with Martin moments before he was shot. It came when West asked her to read the letter aloud in court.
"Are you able to read that at all?" West asked.
Jeantel, head bowed, eyes averted whispered into the court microphone, "Some but not all. I don't read cursive."
"Are you able to read that at all?" West asked.
Jeantel, head bowed, eyes averted whispered into the court microphone, "Some but not all. I don't read cursive."
She's supposedly a college student.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2013,15:41
What's the ethnic makeup of the jury? I was incommunicado.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jun. 27 2013,17:07
It's all white women.
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2013,17:09
Then he'll get off.If there are more than 1 black people and the rest white/hispanic, then it will be a hung jury.
No one is interested in justice any more than NBC is... it's all about winning. OJ Trial II.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 27 2013,18:38
(Malcolm @ Jun. 27 2013,16:47)
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So he was using it in a familiar sense with a dude he didn't know?
There's at least 3 meanings to the n-word.
familiar
non-familiar
racist
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 27 2013,18:41
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She told defense lawyer Don West that "cracker" is how she referred to white people in her community.
I suppose "the c-word" has another meaning entirely.
Posted by Leisher on Jun. 27 2013,20:11
(Malcolm @ Jun. 27 2013,21:41)
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She told defense lawyer Don West that "cracker" is how she referred to white people in her community.
I suppose "the c-word" has another meaning entirely.
I found that quote to be just fantastic.
I wonder if the Food Network will be canceling her show...
Posted by GORDON on Jun. 27 2013,20:13
So... does this mean we can start saying "retard" again, since an anti-Zimmerman person Took It Back?
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 27 2013,21:49
(Leisher @ Jun. 27 2013,22:11)
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(Malcolm @ Jun. 27 2013,21:41)
QUOTE
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She told defense lawyer Don West that "cracker" is how she referred to white people in her community.
I suppose "the c-word" has another meaning entirely.
I found that quote to be just fantastic.
I wonder if the Food Network will be canceling her show...
Much shit as she's getting for it and as dumb-ass as it was, I think she's getting overkilled. On the flip side, crying on cue during an interview isn't exactly a way to endear yourself to me.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 03 2013,16:09
< Why Skype and court room testimony do not mix >.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 10 2013,12:41
Obama's Department of Justice financially supported protests against Zimmerman.< http://pjmedia.com/tatler....rotests >
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 11 2013,07:23
They spent like $6K? Damn, I didn't think they remembered how to spend that little anymore.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 11 2013,08:35
Prosecution tacked on a Child Abuse charge at the last minute of the trial. Judge will rule later on whether she will allow it.< http://legalinsurrection.com/2013....d-abuse >
Show of hands: who still has ANY faith in the justice system in America?
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 11 2013,08:41
Does anyone think Zimmerman isn't going to jail? The left wing of the government, all the way up to Barry Sorento have taken that poor little 8 year old's side. (Him being 17 and a criminal is a fabrication of Fox News and Bush.)Plus, there are people behind the scenes saying, "Got to put him in jail or the black folks will riot like in LA."
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 11 2013,08:55
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Does anyone think Zimmerman isn't going to jail?
I'll throw in on a hung jury or retrial after this initial case, but I don't think he gets convicted this time around, although that weasel tactic the prosecution just pulled is one more charge he'll have to deal with.
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The felony the State wanted as the predicate was Aggravated Child Abuse (Jury Instruction) because Trayvon Martin was 17 at the time of the shooting.
Because when you're 18 ... magic. I can't believe I'm actually suggesting this, but some series of citizenship tests should be available to everyone starting at the so people can assume the legal status currently conferred by the age of majority. I don't even care if it's all at once or broken out into individual responsibilities, but the arbitrary age thing is broken bullshit and needs to die. It's a slightly different twist on zero tolerance laws, just with a veneer of tradition (which we all know I despise by default).
How you could apply such logic to someone posthumously and determine their legal status are other matters, but Trayvon should not be considered a minor for purposes of this shit. Not even close.
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Plus, there are people behind the scenes saying, "Got to put him in jail or the black folks will riot like in LA."
I'm sure the insignificant enclave of Hispanics and Latinos in Floria would respond to a guilty verdict really well.
I'd also like the latest copy of the Minority Ranking Scorecard, so I know whose side to take when there aren't any racist white folk involved in the crime.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jul. 11 2013,09:01
(Malcolm @ Jul. 11 2013,11:55)
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I'm sure the insignificant enclave of Hispanics and Latinos in Floria would respond to a guilty verdict really well.
I'd also like the latest copy of the Minority Ranking Scorecard, so I know whose side to take when there aren't any racist white folk involved in the crime.
I'd also like the latest copy of the Minority Ranking Scorecard, so I know whose side to take when there aren't any racist white folk involved in the crime.
Dude...Zimmerman is WHITE. Because the victim is black, therefore the perp is white.
You racist.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 11 2013,10:48
I remember the OJ trial, when everyone knew he was guilty as fuck and Johnny Cochran's antics were a joke and no one took him seriously. Then the black jury let him walk, and in the office I was in when the verdict was announced, more than one of the black peeps in there gave a little "We won!" fist pump.The jury will make their decision not on the facts, but who they want to "win." It is a coin toss.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 11 2013,10:52
Judge denies the murder/child abuse gambit.< http://www.foxnews.com/us....n-trial >
I suppose this means if he walks, the state can whip that charge on him THEN. Doesn't seem fair, but the state wants their blood.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 11 2013,11:00
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The jury will make their decision not on the facts, but who they want to "win."
One of a few reasons why a "jury of your peers" seems like a bad idea to me. I bet George wishes he had six well-versed legal scholars instead.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 12 2013,10:19
< Closing statements >.QUOTE
State prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda has argued that Zimmerman's account that he fired his gun because he feared for his life does not hold up.
"He brought a gun to a struggle, to a fight that he started ... wanting to make sure the victim didn't get away," the prosecutor said in his closing argument Thursday. "And now he wants you to let him off because he killed the only eyewitness, the victim Trayvon Martin, who was being followed by this man."
"He brought a gun to a struggle, to a fight that he started ... wanting to make sure the victim didn't get away," the prosecutor said in his closing argument Thursday. "And now he wants you to let him off because he killed the only eyewitness, the victim Trayvon Martin, who was being followed by this man."
Emphasis mine. Carrying a gun is evidence that you've got clear intent to murder someone? Are you shitting me? Lock up every single police officer in this country.
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Why would a scared man get out of his car and walk around after being told by a 911 dispatcher not to follow the victim? Did Zimmerman walk toward Martin, or did Martin come after him -- as he seemingly said both? Should he have had more than a bloody nose and scratches on his head if he'd had his head slammed on the ground by the victim?
That's the prosecutor whose argument is mainly trying to nickel and dime tiny details of George's account. That's typically the defense tactic for trying to shoot one hole in the state's case, causing everything else to tumble down. I am unsure when "guilty until proven innocent" became the law of the land and the burden of proof shifted to the accused.
I see a couple of semi-aggressive dudes getting into an escalating confrontation that turned violent. One was armed more heavily than the other. The end. Unless someone finds hidden night-vision camera footage, it's a total wash.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jul. 12 2013,11:32
You what's interesting to me? A < Florida State Attorney has been indicted > "for allegedly falsifying the arrest warrant and criminal complaint that led to second degree murder charges being brought against George Zimmerman....[by] intentionally withholding exculpatory photographic evidence of the injuries to George Zimmerman's head in her application for the arrest warrant."I mean...WTF? Couple this with the < allegations that the US DoJ pushed REALLY hard to get Zimmerman on trial >...double WTF?
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 12 2013,11:35
I believe the administration remembers how much they have to bust their ass to win Florida.
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 13 2013,19:15
< Not Guilty >Riots?
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 13 2013,19:38
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I'll throw in on a hung jury or retrial after this initial case, but I don't think he gets convicted this time around...
Booyah.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 13 2013,19:42
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He [Assistant State Attorney John Guy] added that if Zimmerman is acquitted it will send a message that grown men can follow and kill children.
That's a bit of a leap. Ever get the feeling that the lawyers working for the state are just the washouts from the private defense attorney sector?
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 13 2013,19:58
Sounds like a fucking idiot to me. Or, is just simply dishonest.I figure riots are a given, as hard as the race pimps have been begging for one since the first day. I thought they would have started by now.
Is it possible that that the black community can see through it all, and KNOW Trayvon probably brought it all on himself, and are not feeling OUTRAGE?
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 13 2013,20:08
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Wondering if my invitation to move to Sweden still stands. I can't believe I live in this country sometimes.
QUOTE
Seriously. WTF is happening?
Some initial FB reactions...
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 13 2013,20:11
Surprised you don't block these people... but I am assigning my own sensibilities to you, and that is wack.I have everyone blocked who would say shit like that... including the friends of friends.
My facebook wall is not very active. And I am ok with that.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 13 2013,21:24
Help me out:Trayvonned : getting killed when you bring a sidewalk to a gun fight
Trayvonned : Poster child for "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong"
Trayvonned :
now you go
Posted by thibodeaux on Jul. 14 2013,05:40
Not as much FB activity as I expected. I gots a lot of liberals on there, but most of them were silent, with these exceptions:- black people
- white women who have half-black children
The first is not surprising, even though one of them is actually a 2nd Amendment enthusiast. The second probably isn't either.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 14 2013,12:35
< NFL wideout/armchair legal expert/general assclown > Roddy White weighs in.
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 15 2013,05:19
Protestors in LA blocking the highway (10?)
Posted by thibodeaux on Jul. 15 2013,05:30
Remember how white people rioted when OJ Simpson was acquitted? How white women talked about "I guess now it's legal for a black man to murder me"?Yeah me neither.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,07:34
Arrest all those idiots and give them each a few hundred hours of community service. Fucking seriously. Or let the more irate members of the community reenact this classic scene from the < Blues Brothers >.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 15 2013,07:47
Zimmerman suing NBC.< http://hotair.com/archive....st-asap >
I wonder if NBC will riot if he wins.
Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 15 2013,08:09
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In a defamation trial, however, NBC can say that the not guilty verdict “has limited probative value as far as establishing a claim that they acted with actual malice toward him, that they acted with actual indifference to the truth,” Armour said.
That's two separate things there. Do I think they had malice towards George? No. Do I think they acted with indifference to the truth? Oh, absolutely. Modern journalism is about saying it first - as early and often as possible - not about being true. They'll report anything anyone says to them without any evidence or confirmation. And it's about time that starts to bite them on the ass, IMO.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,08:30
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If Zimmerman’s legal team is moving ASAP to get the case to trial, NBC’s lawyers should be moving ASAP to get the check cut for the settlement.
I really hope he rejects any out of court settlement and makes them play this to the hilt. Then again, I can't imagine he wants to be in litigation for the rest of his life.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jul. 15 2013,08:59
(Malcolm @ Jul. 15 2013,11:30)
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Then again, I can't imagine he wants to be in litigation for the rest of his life.
He doesn't have a choice. The DoJ is considering trying him for a "hate crime," and you KNOW that some race hustler is going to get the parents to sue him for wrongful death. The man is going to be a professional defendant from now on.
If you've never read Bonfire of the Vanities, you should. Tom Wolfe is probably THE most insightful American author.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,09:28
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The DoJ is considering trying him for a "hate crime," and you KNOW that some race hustler is going to get the parents to sue him for wrongful death.
That always seems like such a bullshit end run around the "double jeopardy" thing. They can't try you for the exact same thing, but the can keep manipulating the charges until they find a variation somewhere that sticks to you for the stupidest fucking judicial logic possible until they get their pound of flesh. Fucking hell, at least Buddhists let existence/nature/the universe sort out karma. They aren't arrogant enough to try to manage it themselves.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,09:31
< Maybe the best Boondocks episode ever >.QUOTE
Is this it? Is this what I got all those ass whuppings for?
I vaguely wonder what MLK would be doing about this.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 15 2013,09:37
(Malcolm @ Jul. 15 2013,12:31)
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< Maybe the best Boondocks episode ever >.
QUOTE
Is this it? Is this what I got all those ass whuppings for?
I vaguely wonder what MLK would be doing about this.Yep, that episode would be the top of my list.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,09:49
You check the < two > < episodes > that got banned because BET got Viacom to sic its legal jackals on Adult Swim and its parent corporation? It's all very under the surface, though. As in "not one of the above parties involved will admit any < reason > < why > the episodes were pulled." It's astonishing that they'll put on the one where MLK busts out the racial epithets, but lampooning BET execs is off limits.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jul. 15 2013,14:42
Burn:QUOTE
Kim Kardashian @KimKardashian 13 Jul
My heart goes out to Trayvon Martin's family & loved ones. Thought & prayers being sent their way #NoJustice
That Shitty Guy @THATSH1TTYGUY 14 Jul
How ironic. Remember when your father helped OJ Simpson walk free? No Justice there either.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2013,15:30
Soon as I saw that name, I thought, "Hmm, glass houses..."I've noticed everyone else (still alive) from that defense team being very quiet. Although you got to wonder what Johnny would be like. Fucking weasel in a suit.
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 16 2013,05:55
< Small riots >
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 16 2013,07:23
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News of the verdict reached Leimert Park -- the "heart and soul of black L.A.," according to Ali -- in the midst of a celebration of Nelson Mandela's 95th birthday Saturday, said community member Rudolph Porter.
So, just to clarify:
Bullshit reason to smash things > dude who helped topple apartheid on his deathbed. I'm sure Nelson would approve of that.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 16 2013,14:14
This aftermath is causing people to do the thing I hate most:1. Completely unaware of the facts, they think GZ was racist and hunting black folks and started the fight. They stopped listening to evidence after the first day of NBC's "reporting."
2. Being completely morally ignorant, saying even if he was getting his head bashed against a sidewalk (which he wasn't), he had no right to pull a gun.
3. Being absolutely certain of their own superiority and your stupidity if you don't agree with them.
A difference of opinion I can live with, but ignorant smugness pisses me off and makes me hate people.
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 16 2013,18:03
< "Protests" in Oakland >
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 16 2013,19:36
This is why his ass should've stayed in the car.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 16 2013,21:43
My favorite part about riots is that they are trashing their own neighborhoods."Heading to point A to get some bread. No wait, I can't. We burned it down. Damn. Now I gotta walk all the way to point B. Hope it's not burned down too."
"Oh shit. That was your uncle's place we trashed? Oops. Sorry."
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 17 2013,10:13
< Feds seem disappointed > they can't prosecute for hate crime. They could, they'd just lose. Then there's < this > that indicates the U.S. AG is looking into Florida's self-defense laws.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 18 2013,10:14
< Parents open their mouths >, prove themselves idiots. Grieving idiots, but idiots nonetheless. QUOTE
I think that if Trayvon had been white, this wouldn't have ever happened. Obviously race is playing some type of role.
Only in your mind.QUOTE
On ABC, Fulton said she wishes the jurors had "had an opportunity to really know who Trayvon was and to put that in context with what their decision was."
Good to know that the jury doesn't need to take into account who George Zimmerman was and put that in context.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jul. 18 2013,10:16
(Malcolm @ Jul. 18 2013,13:14)
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On ABC, Fulton said she wishes the jurors had "had an opportunity to really know who Trayvon was and to put that in context with what their decision was."
Yeah, too bad the judge didn't allow such evidence. Such as the texts and pics from his phone suggesting he was into drugs, guns, and petty crime.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 18 2013,13:15
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 18 2013,18:14
Charles Barkley.... is a pretty level headed fellow.< http://twitchy.com/2013....m-video >
This goes along with what I said before... there were no huge riots because the majority of the black community weren't fooled by the race pimps this time around.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 19 2013,10:40
< I am not Trayvon Martin >. Somehow this has become huge.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jul. 19 2013,10:47
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Seay said he wrote the post to protest Stand Your Ground laws, which he said make it too easy to kill people in the U.S.
Which had exactly ZERO to do with the Martin/Zimmerman case.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jul. 19 2013,16:58
< Obama Opines >:QUOTE
You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago. And when you think about why, in the African- American community at least, there’s a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it’s important to recognize that the African- American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that -- that doesn’t go away.
There are very few African-American men in this country who haven’t had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. That includes me.
Me. Me. ME. It's always about ME.
Also, my God what a cumbersome phrase: "African American Community." Can we just go back to "blacks?" One syllable FTW.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jul. 22 2013,14:55
< Zimmerman helps people out of a wrecked car >.Ted Kennedy says, "That could have been me, 44 years ago."
Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 22 2013,15:04
After reading the story, I sort of wonder why the headline didn't say something like: "Zimmerman suspected of causing SUV crash, helps victims from wreck"That would be more properly aligned with the media's story about the guy, right?
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 22 2013,15:06
Not enough lake. Ted's also been dead for a bit. Finally, he would've had to have called sooner than eight hours after the accident. Ted wishes his accident went this smoothly.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 22 2013,15:29
I bet the people he helped were black, since the article didn't mention the race.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 25 2013,12:14
Stevie Wonder is apparently boycotting Florida. < Ted Nuggent responds. >
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 25 2013,12:34
Ted kind of comes off as an asshole, particularly this:QUOTE
He didn't have very nice things to say about Martin, either, characterizing the slain youth as "dope-smoking" and a "hoodlum."
Yeah, because Ted knew him personally.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 25 2013,12:38
Doesn't make him wrong.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 25 2013,13:09
Calling out a teenager for being a "hoodlum" and "dope-smoking" is like calling out Richard Pryor for cursing too much. Really, is it necessary to slam the dead dude's character like that? Even so, only one of those would have any bearing on what may have happened to him.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 25 2013,13:11
Ted always comes off like an asshole because he's blunt. However, as Gordo points out, he's not exactly wrong. Trayvon Martin was not a 10 year old like the picture they constantly show. He was into drugs (selling and using), guns, and was into criminal activity.
He did smoke dope, and I think most would describe him as a "hoodlum" based on his activities.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 25 2013,13:13
(Malcolm @ Jul. 25 2013,16:09)
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Calling out a teenager for being a "hoodlum" and "dope-smoking" is like calling out Richard Pryor for cursing too much.
Not when the MSM spends so much time glossing over those facts, and pretending he was just an innocent little boy walking home eating Skittles.
End of the day, Zimmerman caused the incident. However, Martin instigated the violence. He was slamming a man's head into the concrete.
I think we're beyond the "teenager" label at that point.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 25 2013,13:22
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Trayvon Martin was not a 10 year old like the picture they constantly show. He was into drugs (selling and using), guns, and was into criminal activity.
He did smoke dope, and I think most would describe him as a "hoodlum" based on his activities.
He did smoke dope, and I think most would describe him as a "hoodlum" based on his activities.
I heard no mention of any drugs besides bud. If that's enough to overshadow you when you get shot, then fuck, I guess it's open season. As for "being into things" ... shit, Ted's "into" both guns and booze (which seems a way more dangerous combo). Do I get to characterize him as a "dumb-ass tobacoo-chawin' redneck" because of it, as opposed to his adjectives for Trayvon based on second- and third-hand knowledge?
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He was into drugs (selling and using), guns, and was into criminal activity.
Sounds like the vast majority of teenaged males walking around in this country. He ever arrested for carrying an unlicensed firearm? Arrested for possession? Arrested for shoplifting, burglary, breaking into cars? Anything?
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 25 2013,13:31
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I think we're beyond the "teenager" label at that point.
No, he's still 17. Which means he's still an idiot that probably acted in an overaggressive manner and shares some of the blame for this shit. He got killed, he got some retaliation in. How much of it was his initiative versus George is still up for practical debate, even if the legal question is settled.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 25 2013,13:37
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I heard no mention of any drugs besides bud.
He had drugs in his system.
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If that's enough to overshadow you when you get shot, then fuck, I guess it's open season.
Apparently, the color of one's skin is enough to overshadow you having your skull bashed into the pavement in broad daylight, so yeah...fuck.
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As for "being into things" ... shit, Ted's "into" both guns and booze (which seems a way more dangerous combo). Do I get to characterize him as a "dumb-ass tobacoo-chawin' redneck" because of it, as opposed to his adjectives for Trayvon based on second- and third-hand knowledge?
Of course you do, it's free speech. Don't be stupid.
And he's not basing it on second or third hand knowledge. This is all public record stuff.
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Sounds like the vast majority of teenaged males walking around in this country.
Really? What do you base that on? How can you sit here and say people shouldn't make assumptions on Martin (even though they're based on actual evidence), and then you say something like that in the same breath?
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He ever arrested for carrying an unlicensed firearm? Arrested for possession? Arrested for shoplifting, burglary, breaking into cars? Anything?
They have this new thing called Google. You should try it.
From the first link I found:
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The teen was suspended from school three times
He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness
He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness
But hey, let's ignore all evidence pointing to Martin being a "hoodlum", and instead let's get you back to calling people you've never met names based on a news report or a single quote they made.
(Come on, that was a fantastic shot...
)By the way, none of this changes the fact that Ted is right. Nobody gives a fuck that the #1 killer of black men is black men. Yet, the country gets all pissy when a non-black kills a black guy in self defense. Meanwhile, Christopher Cervini is wondering why you've never heard of him.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 25 2013,13:39
(Malcolm @ Jul. 25 2013,16:31)
QUOTE
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I think we're beyond the "teenager" label at that point.
No, he's still 17. Which means he's still an idiot that probably acted in an overaggressive manner and shares some of the blame for this shit. He got killed, he got some retaliation in. How much of it was his initiative versus George is still up for practical debate, even if the legal question is settled.
No.
I mean in not being able to label him as a hoodlum.
Also, he didn't get ANY retaliation in. When George acted, the fight was over.
And just so we're clear, I don't think Martin should be dead. I think George should lose his civil trial based on the fact that he instigated the entire situation against police orders.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jul. 25 2013,14:32
It's a shame that all the people yammering about "stand your ground" laws have absolutely no idea what they are about. Or that < lots of states have them >. Or that they < disproportionately benefet black defendants >.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 25 2013,14:52
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He had drugs in his system.
Again, what kind? I heard positive tox for marijuana, which is detectable for a bit after the last use under certain circumstances. And so the fuck what? I wonder how many teens could pass a drug test at any random time.
QUOTE
How can you sit here and say people shouldn't make assumptions on Martin (even though they're based on actual evidence), and then you say something like that in the same breath?
Never met Trayvon. I've met lots of teenagers, some from the current day, some from back when I was one. When his parents called him "not confrontational" I immediately suspected bullshit. They are not known for keeping cool heads in heated situations. Some dude walking up on me in my neighbourhood and asking me what I was doing there would piss me off.
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The teen was suspended from school three times
He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness
He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness
The only bit in there that seems not legit is the jewelry. Everything else doesn't set off any red flags.
QUOTE
I think George should lose his civil trial based on the fact that he instigated the entire situation against police orders.
Fuck that. Martial law has not been declared and cops are not my COs. I'm betting he really, really wishes he would have stayed in the car, though.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 25 2013,15:03
(Malcolm @ Jul. 25 2013,16:09)
QUOTE
Calling out a teenager for being a "hoodlum" and "dope-smoking" is like calling out Richard Pryor for cursing too much. Really, is it necessary to slam the dead dude's character like that? Even so, only one of those would have any bearing on what may have happened to him.
The punk went and forced a confrontation because some cracker looked at him funny. The world is better without him. One less punk I need to worry about attacking me or my kid for whatever "diss" exists in his mind. Race doesn't even matter, his actions do.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 25 2013,20:50
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The world is better without him. One less punk I need to worry about attacking me or my kid for whatever "diss" exists in his mind.
That's exceedingly harsh. If everyone gets a life-or-death call before their 18th birthday on the stupid shit they've done/said, 95% of the American population would be dead. Fuck, I know I'd be.
Is the confrontation forced by George definitely being uppity and tracking him or Trayvon getting potentially uppity after being trailed in his dad's own fucking neighbourhood by some dude he doesn't know? In addition, for a punk kid who's supposed to be in to all these guns, drugs, gangs, theft, and school suspensions, it's funny he didn't at least have fucking weapon on him. Sounds like a hood rat wanna-be. Doesn't mean he should lose his breathing privileges. George acted like a well meaning but hyper aggressive hall monitor. There is, however, no proof he did anything illegal. That doesn't look to be doing him much good, though. I wonder if satisfying his paranoia that night was worth it for the next couple years of hiding out he's going to be doing.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jul. 25 2013,23:18
I'm not sure Zimmerman should lose the civil trial. If you are in a neighborhood that requires and actual, active, neighborhood watch, it implies there is stuff happening that the residents don't like. We see neighborhood watch signs all over the place. But how many of those neighborhoods actually 'watch' anything? If his neighborhood was a victim enough that the watch actually patrols, then that implies they have people doing stuff they don't like. So, as a patrolling citizen, seeing someone who is not from my neighborhood, no matter what color they are, shouldn't I keep an eye on them? If someone is milling about my yard, am I not allowed to confront them? Can't that be extended to my neighborhood. That I'm watching. As part of the neighborhood watch? And so I'm keeping an eye on someone that isn't from my neighborhood until they leave my neighborhood. Aren't I allowed to do that? And when that person attacks me. . . . well, just hope he's not black?There are a lot of 'should have' stuff here. Trayvon should have just left. Zimmerman should have stayed in his car. Etc. But, I think Zimmerman had every right to confront someone that's in his neighborhood. To protect his neighborhood by watching it. In my opinion, Zimmerman did everything he had a right to do. Trayvon should have left, instead of being a punk and trying to beat the shit out of someone for following him. Why should he be punished for this?
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 26 2013,02:36
1. There were recent house robberies in the neighborhood, with the only.description of the thieves being 'black people.' I wonder if the robberies stopped after trayvon was dead.2. Trayvon actually did make it all the way home before he decided to go back and pick a fight with the cracker who dissed him.
3. Exceedingly harsh? Bulshit, realistic. I never started a fight as a teenager, because even then I knew shit wasnt worth it even if it ddnt escalate, and I always expect it to escalate. This is america in 2013. You ALWAYS need to assume the other guy is packing.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 26 2013,07:28
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1. There were recent house robberies in the neighborhood, with the only.description of the thieves being 'black people.' I wonder if the robberies stopped after trayvon was dead.
Such pinpoint identification of the suspects.
QUOTE
2. Trayvon actually did make it all the way home before he decided to go back and pick a fight with the cracker who dissed him.
I seem to have missed the full transcript of the whole of their conversations that night. Maybe you can forward me your copy.
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I never started a fight as a teenager
I must have also missed the crystal clear video of the confrontation showing Trayvon rushing George like a crazed bull. Again, forward me your copy.
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So, as a patrolling citizen, seeing someone who is not from my neighborhood, no matter what color they are, shouldn't I keep an eye on them?
Shouldn't? Eh, maybe. Can you? Sure. I typically advise doing that shit in numbers greater than one, though. Even cops, who are allegedly trained in such things, don't like doing that solo.
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In my opinion, Zimmerman did everything he had a right to do.
Just because you've got the right to do something doesn't mean you need to exercise it in every single opportunity presented to you where it could be conceivably used. You can be within your rights and still do something stupid, which is precisely what George did.
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Why should he be punished for this?
Because popular opinion does not follow that of the courts. Which is why I would've stayed in the car. Then again, I wouldn't be on a neighbourhood watch gang in the first place.
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To protect his neighborhood by watching it.
He's not just watching; he's actively patrolling.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 26 2013,11:02
< Oh my fucking god >.QUOTE
"It is devastating for my family to hear the comments from juror B29, comments which we already knew in our hearts to be true. That George Zimmerman literally got away with murder," Fulton said in a statement released Thursday through The Trayvon Martin Foundation. "This new information challenges our nation once again to do everything we can to make sure that this never happens to another child.
"That's why Tracy [Martin] and I have launched The Trayvon Martin Foundation to try and take something very painful and negative and turn it into something positive as a legacy to our son," Fulton added.
"That's why Tracy [Martin] and I have launched The Trayvon Martin Foundation to try and take something very painful and negative and turn it into something positive as a legacy to our son," Fulton added.
That's Trayvon's mother, thinking that children are somehow exempt from having anything bad happening to them, ever, even when they act in a likely stupid manner.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 29 2013,16:27
Trayvon's mom fighting for repeal of self defense laws."Young violent punks should not be in fear for their lives when they attack someone."
< http://www.foxnews.com/us....estnews >
I may have made up that quote. Or did I?
Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 29 2013,16:33
QUOTE
Federal officials are reviewing whether to charge Zimmerman with violating Martin's civil rights.
Not done messing with him yet, it seems. Jury verdicts be damned, he must be punished.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 29 2013,16:33
"This is for Trayvon."< http://www.cnn.com/2013....=hp_bn1 >
Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 29 2013,16:35
Too bad Zimmerman is hispanic. Stupid punks.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 29 2013,16:39
(TPRJones @ Jul. 29 2013,19:35)
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Too bad Zimmerman is hispanic. Stupid punks.
Saw someone else say:
"This situation was the first time I ever heard the expression 'White Hispanic.'"
Posted by thibodeaux on Jul. 29 2013,16:52
I wish I remember the quote and the circumstances, but sometime back a Jewish guy said something like, "so NOW we're white."It's like a crazy liberal version of Rock-Paper-Scissors, but they're not sure what all the rules are. Black beats White (uh, no pun intended) of course, but Black vs. Hispanic? Uh...better just say he's White.
Of course the real important question is: Black vs. Gay, who wins? Can't wait to see one of those played out in the press.
Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 29 2013,16:58
Everyone knows only white people can be gay, so black would win.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2013,07:19
(TPRJones @ Jul. 29 2013,18:58)
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Everyone knows only white people can be gay, so black would win.
< At least bi if not gay >.
Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 30 2013,08:13
No, no, he's black so clearly not gay. Just confused.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 30 2013,08:16
< From here >.
Posted by thibodeaux on Aug. 08 2013,05:48
< ABC Names First Non-White 'Bachelor' >.Got that?
Not-White:
White:
Posted by thibodeaux on Aug. 11 2013,17:17
< OMFG >
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 11 2013,17:34
That might as well be a mural to the stupidity of man.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 11 2013,18:12
Was just a matter of time.
Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 27 2013,10:15
< Florida pays for George's legal fees >. Hah.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 09 2013,13:09
From the "< where are they now >" files.
Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 09 2013,13:18
My gut reaction: Crazy Bitch.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 09 2013,13:26
That option's always on the table but I'm of the opinion she just wants to get away from the media and events of the past year. George isn't going to get to live a quiet life ever again.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 09 2013,13:37
(Malcolm @ Sep. 09 2013,16:26)
QUOTE
That option's always on the table but I'm of the opinion she just wants to get away from the media and events of the past year. George isn't going to get to live a quiet life ever again.
May be true, but she doesn't get to just take everything he has.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 09 2013,15:09
(GORDON @ Sep. 09 2013,15:37)
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(Malcolm @ Sep. 09 2013,16:26)
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That option's always on the table but I'm of the opinion she just wants to get away from the media and events of the past year. George isn't going to get to live a quiet life ever again.
May be true, but she doesn't get to just take everything he has.
Obviously you've never been divorced.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 09 2013,18:28
Tell me your divorce story then.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 09 2013,19:23
(GORDON @ Sep. 09 2013,20:28)
QUOTE
Tell me your divorce story then.
I defer to the expert. Ask Vince. Or the dude I went to school with who just got one a year or so back. I'm sure he has all kinds of fun stories.
Posted by GORDON on Sep. 10 2013,07:14
Doesnt make it right when men get fucked over in a divorce.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 10 2013,07:21
(GORDON @ Sep. 10 2013,09:14)
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Doesnt make it right when men get fucked over in a divorce.
I never said it was right. I just implied it happens all the time.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 10 2013,07:22
Men losing their shit in a divorce is because courts still have old school thinking. They haven't evolved to match the realities of today's family structures, and women's changed role in society.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 10 2013,07:46
You're obviously a masculinist gone mad with delusion.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 12 2013,10:15
< Medical examiner lawsuit >? Just wtf.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 18 2013,11:46
< Disturbance. >
Posted by thibodeaux on Nov. 18 2013,11:58
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Although Zimmerman's defense did not invoke the stand your ground law, the case sparked a national debate about race and "stand your ground" laws, which exist in at least 22 states. Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, testified on Capitol Hill in October that "stand your ground" laws must be reviewed and amended.
Gotta bang that drum, reporter! Bang! That! DRUM!
Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 18 2013,12:10
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A spokesman for lawyer Mark O'Mara, who represented Zimmerman in the murder trial, said, "Mark O'Mara is not representing George Zimmerman in today's matter or any new matters, and as such it is not appropriate for him to make any comments."
That's their polite way of saying "why the fuck did you call us? We have nothing to do with this." Why the hell is it in this story? That should not have made the cut.
Did they fire all the editors?
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 19 2013,10:12
< Someone went crazy >.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 26 2013,10:16
< Monitoring device >.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 31 2014,12:36
< GZ on Celebrity Boxing >.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 05 2014,10:32
(Malcolm @ Jan. 31 2014,14:36)
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< GZ on Celebrity Boxing >.
< GZ v. DMX >.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 09 2014,11:26
< Nixed >.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 24 2015,11:15
< No federal charges will be filed. >Well, that was a massive waste of time and tax payer money. (As EVERYONE predicted.) Thanks Eric Holder! I'm sure those Ferguson investigations will turn out differently...
Hey Eric, how's that investigation into the IRS coming?
There has never been a worse attorney general than this assclown.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 24 2015,11:19
Ashcroft.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 25 2015,20:14
< MSNBC anchor hopes Trayvon whipped Zimmerman's ass. >That's a hell of a network they're running over there.
BTW, if you're keeping score at home, FOX News is the network that gets mocked for being biased.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 25 2015,20:28
At least they are starting to admit Trayvon was attacking him. Nice of them to admit Zimmerman had "was getting his ass kicked" wounds.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 25 2015,21:24
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And I hope he whooped the shit out of George Zimmerman ... and it’s not disreputable because he encountered a stranger who was prepared to kill him, and you know how I know? Because he killed him.
That hurts more than brain parasites.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 26 2015,05:47
(Leisher @ Feb. 25 2015,23:14)
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BTW, if you're keeping score at home, FOX News is the network that gets mocked for being biased.
Ugh. I watched Fox News yesterday cuz I was at the gym on a treadmill, and the TV changer wouldn't work.
The problem with news, is that the # of hours it's on is fixed, regardless of how much news there is. Back in the 30 minutes news shows, it wasn't such a huge problem, but there were always slow news days. Now, with 24 hours news, you fill slow news days with the most horrid dribble.
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 26 2015,06:06
(TheCatt @ Feb. 26 2015,08:47)
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(Leisher @ Feb. 25 2015,23:14)
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BTW, if you're keeping score at home, FOX News is the network that gets mocked for being biased.
Ugh. I watched Fox News yesterday cuz I was at the gym on a treadmill, and the TV changer wouldn't work.
The problem with news, is that the # of hours it's on is fixed, regardless of how much news there is. Back in the 30 minutes news shows, it wasn't such a huge problem, but there were always slow news days. Now, with 24 hours news, you fill slow news days with the most horrid dribble.
I agree there's too much news on and they run out of things to talk about. That's a big area where all the networks show their bias.
However, this wasn't on air:
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during a speech at Cornell University's annual Martin Luther King Jr. Commemorative Lecture.
I don't think she understands King's dream.
Posted by Vince on Feb. 27 2015,14:48
Better check your white privilege at the door cracker.
Posted by Leisher on Sep. 28 2015,08:11
< Someone is trolling the Twitterverse. >Or Zimmerman has lost his mind.