Forum: General Stuff
Topic: Deficit Reduction: How?
started by: TheCatt

Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 12 2011,09:14
I appreciate that Republicans want to do this without increasing taxes, but fuck - can't they just agree to a 5:1 ratio or something (similar to what the debt commission proposed) and get this done?

Rich people can afford it. :)

Posted by GORDON on Jul. 12 2011,09:24
While I don't feel tax increases are needed, because the federal budget is bloated beyond recognition even from 5 years ago, I would say just do a 5:1 compromise just to get it signed.

Of course, I don't think it will happen this way.  With this government I am expecting worst case scenario.

Posted by TPRJones on Jul. 12 2011,12:39
Deficit Reduction?  Don't you mean Increasing the Debt Ceiling?
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 12 2011,12:48

(TPRJones @ Jul. 12 2011,15:39)
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Deficit Reduction?  Don't you mean Increasing the Debt Ceiling?

What I want is debt reduction, but no one's talking that game.
Posted by Malcolm on Jul. 12 2011,16:05

(GORDON @ Jul. 12 2011,11:24)
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While I don't feel tax increases are needed, because the federal budget is bloated beyond recognition even from 5 years ago, I would say just do a 5:1 compromise just to get it signed.

Of course, I don't think it will happen this way.

I'd say this echoes my sentiments.  This entire country needs a crash course on zero-sum games.

EDIT : I  still vote "nothing but spending cuts," though.  If you want someone's cash, just trick them out of it like everyone's been doing since the dawn of time; it's not that hard.  Taking it right out of my paycheck is just kind of a dickslap in the face.  You get much less resistance when people get to waste it themselves.



Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 01 2011,08:40
< All spending cuts... but we're super broke anyway so we're kinda already screwed. >
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 01 2011,09:03
I'm not going to read the article.

Is it real spending cut, or the pretend ones where they say "Well we're going to increase this program by $100 billion this year instead of $200 billion, so that equates to a $100 billion cut, and over 10 years that is $1 trillion.  Mission accomplished, we're saved."

Because I know they have been talking about that shit for a while.



Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 01 2011,09:31
Well, the point of the article I linked is that our net present value of obligations is like $221 Trillion more than the NPV of our revenues.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 01 2011,10:03
The thing that drives me insane is the core issue behind the deficit never gets addressed: If you make $10 monthly, you cannot spend $15 monthly.

How much longer can we continue just boosting the debt ceiling without making actual changes to federal spending?

How long before the bubble bursts?

Posted by GORDON on Aug. 01 2011,10:10
The argument I hear is WELL HAY TEABAGGER HOW WOULD U LIKE IT IF WE JUST WENT BACK TO 1995 LEVELS OF SPENDING???

They say this like it is a bad thing.

I don't understand that.  Sounds like a best-case scenario, to me.

Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 01 2011,10:29
Depends on when China goes "haha! We're not buying your debt any more."
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 01 2011,10:41
Was obama able to put the real issue off until after the next election?
Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 01 2011,10:51
Yes.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 01 2011,11:18
Well good for him.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2011,10:29
New York Times: Tea Party = terrorists.

< http://www.nytimes.com/2011....emc=rss >

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These last few months, much of the country has watched in horror as the Tea Party Republicans have waged jihad on the American people. Their intransigent demands for deep spending cuts, coupled with their almost gleeful willingness to destroy one of America’s most invaluable assets, its full faith and credit, were incredibly irresponsible. But they didn’t care. Their goal, they believed, was worth blowing up the country for, if that’s what it took.


Yeah.

Fiscal responsibility is truly a heinous philosophy.

Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2011,10:34
Biden: Tea Party = terrorists.

< http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60421.html >

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Vice President Joe Biden joined House Democrats in lashing tea party Republicans Monday, accusing them of having “acted like terrorists” in the fight over raising the nation’s debt limit, according to several sources in the room.


I guess the message has been identified, framed, and is in the open.

Posted by thibodeaux on Aug. 02 2011,10:37
Good thing we have this climate of civility. Also, it's great that dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2011,11:58
Time editor Fareed Zakaria: Tea Party = terrorists.

< http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011....=hp_bn2 >

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...if you think about what's going on, the Tea Party is trying to pass a particular agenda, which is basically this all-cuts budget. It cannot get it through the Congress of the United States. It cannot get it through the political democratic process that we have, which is that Congress passes something and the president must sign it. That's the normal workings of democracy.

So, instead of accepting some compromise that can get through the democratic process, what they're saying is we'll blow up the country if you don't listen to us. We'll hold hostage the credit of the United States, the good standing of the United States and we'll blow it up.

Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2011,12:06
New York Times: The Tea Party have always been terrorists.

< http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010....rrorist >

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Joseph Stack had barely finished flying his airplane into a Texas office building when the battle over his legacy began.

Bloggers on the left asked why people — especially people on the right — weren’t calling him a terrorist. “If this had been done by a brownish-looking Muslim guy whose suicide note paralleled Islamist political themes,” wrote Matthew Yglesias, then right wingers would be “demanding that anyone who refused to label the attack ‘terrorism’ be put up on treason charges.”


Anyone seeing a trend, yet?

Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2011,12:09
Politico: Tea party = terrorists

< http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60202.html >

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It has become commonplace to call the tea party faction in the House “hostage takers.” But they have now become full-blown terrorists.

They have joined the villains of American history who have been sufficiently craven to inflict massive harm on innocent victims to achieve their political goals. A strong America has always stood firm in the face of terrorism. That tradition is in jeopardy, as Congress and President Barack careen toward an uncertain outcome in the tea party- manufactured debt crisis.

As we stumble closer to Aug. 2, it has become clear that many in the tea party are willing to inflict massive harm on the American people to obtain their political objective of a severely shrunken federal government. Their persistence in rejecting compromise, even as the economic effects of the phony crisis they have created mount, has taken their radicalism beyond tough negotiating, beyond even hostage-taking.

Posted by GORDON on Aug. 02 2011,13:32
Tucson newspaper political cartoon:  Tea Party = terrorists

< http://newsbusters.org/blogs....nding-s >

Posted by thibodeaux on Aug. 02 2011,14:01
1. Right wing noise machine!
2. Why does "not raising the debt ceiling and demanding spending cuts" = "bringing down the government and/or the global economy." WTF?

Posted by GORDON on Aug. 03 2011,18:39
We are now borrowing at 100% of the GDP.

< http://news.yahoo.com/us-aaa-rating-still-under-threat-204040123.html >

Hey, have y'all heard about how the Tea Party are terrorists?

Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 04 2011,05:51
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The new borrowing took total public debt to $14.58 trillion, over end-2010 GDP of $14.53 trillion, and putting it in a league with highly indebted countries like Italy and Belgium.


Who doesn't want to be like < Italy? >

Posted by Leisher on Aug. 04 2011,12:11
Maybe if the economy crashes we'll finally be able to end free lunches for all the lazy pricks in this country?
Posted by Alhazad on Aug. 05 2011,20:58
S&P dropped the U.S. to AA+

bit of an optimistic projection, really.

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