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Forum: General Stuff Topic: NFL 2011 started by: Leisher Posted by Leisher on Mar. 11 2011,18:29
< The season might not happen. >Based on that article, which lists what's been going on and what the owners have offered, I'd really like to see what the players want. Posted by WSGrundy on Mar. 11 2011,18:40
I think the players are going to break before anything drastic happens. There are already stories of players hitting others up for loans and a lockout hasn't even started yet. Also didn't Montana cross the picket line? If players who are completely secure financially didn't stick to their guns I don't see the players who make way less and aren't as secure not taking what the owners offer in the end.They talk a big game now but unless that nflpa friendly judge gets involved and makes some more big decisions I see the players cracking. Fans watched replacement players before I think they will do it again. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 11 2011,19:16
I want an 18 game season... the rest I dont care about.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 11 2011,19:46
Bah. Both these groups enjoy making billions of dollars. They'll calm down and deal before calling off next season.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 16 2011,08:15
Adrian Peterson, the multimillionaire who plays a game for a living, < thinks he's a slave. >What a fucking jackass. Here's a sample of his intelligence: QUOTE “It’s modern-day slavery, you know?” Peterson said. “People kind of laugh at that, but there are people working at regular jobs who get treated the same way, too. With all the money . . . the owners are trying to get a different percentage, and bring in more money.” I'm not even sure half of that is coherent. If Adrian Peterson is a modern day slave, then I'd be happy to trade him my freedom for his slave status. Posted by Troy on Mar. 16 2011,08:36
I read that yesterday. I can't believe he actually said that.What a PR nightmare the Players Union is dealing with. The owners have 32 guys who have had experience in corporate board rooms and who are already filthy rich, and can speak about the issue setting emotions at the door. The PU has 1,000 young, passionate guys who generally speak based on emotion and feeling. They used to get all their good talking points from their team's PR people, who they can't even legally talk to any more. The longer the lockout, the worse it will end up for the players. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 16 2011,08:46
Maybe the union ought to tell its member to shut the fuck up if they want to continue buying diamond earrings instead of making fries at Burger King.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 29 2011,08:52
< Former and future players are suing the NFL to end the lockout. >The problem with their logic is that they're claiming the NFL is the only ticket in town. That's simply not the case. There's the UFL (or whatever that other league is called), remnants of the AFL, the CFL, and semi-pro teams around the country. Also, anyone suing that didn't just graduate college could stay in school. Plus, where is it written that because you played football in college, you have the right to play in the NFL? In what part of the constitution does it force privately owned businesses to give me a job? Can I sue IBM or Microsoft and force them to give me a job? I think everything is going to hinge on the judge ruling on whether the NFLPA is still acting as a union or not. If the NFL wins that case, I think we'll see a resolution sooner rather than later. Or the NFLPA will really be stupid, decertify for real, and we'll see scabs. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 29 2011,09:10
QUOTE Therefore, college players awaiting next month’s draft are not represented by the union and can’t be faulted for its decertification. However they are, Hausfeld argues, being affected by the lockout. “These players have an antitrust claim,” Hausfeld said. “They’ve essentially staked the pursuit of a career on being eligible for the NFL. You're INSANE. The crux of your argument is "they wasted the last few years of their life preparing for something that just went bust." Now, they get to ... sue for that? Guess they should've chosen that career field a bit more wisely. Posted by WSGrundy on Apr. 12 2011,10:43
Yup the players are going to have no problems surviving the < lockout >.QUOTE According to a financing source, these interest rates range from 18 percent to 24 percent, and upon default, they can rise as high as 36 percent.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 12 2011,12:35
QUOTE And while many in the union look at the high-risk loans as a serious point of concern, Sherard Rogers -- who acts a financial advisor to a number of NFL players -- believes the loans are legitimate and are simply an example of supply meeting demand. "There’s a market, there’s a demand, and I’m helping an industry that I benefit from also – helping them to better themselves and to make a difference," Rogers said. "That’s the way I look at it. Spoken like a true loan shark. If I'd been earning six figures for a year or two, I'd've socked some of that away. For the average NFL player, you never know when a career ending knee blowout is going to ruin your day. EDIT : Hmm, how long before they start selling ad space on the player jerseys? Posted by Leisher on Apr. 18 2011,09:49
< Madden 2012 cover... >Wow...an ex-con animal abuser whose inclusion will spark protests or a white running back who had a great half of a season and plays in the cursed (small) market of Cleveland. The best part is that it comes down to fan voting, and who do you go with? Do you pick Hillis because Cleveland deserves some bright spot in sports or because Vick doesn't deserve it or simply because it'd be funny to see the only talent on their roster get hit with the Madden jinx? Do you pick Vick because he deserves the jinx or because you don't want Cleveland to be hit with it? EA executives have to be pissed about this final two. Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 18 2011,09:54
Vick, cuz I'm a Redskins fan.I can't imagine EA's mad. Vick will be free publicity. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 18 2011,10:02
Yeah, they'll get publicity from it, but it'll all be negative. I know "any publicity is good publicity", but I don't think that's true. I think you can overdo things, and be put into a bad light. Lots of examples of that, ask sharks. Madden is so damn big, very few people are unaware of its existence. At this point, negative publicity equaling good publicity is bullshit. It's not going to get them extra sales. P.S. How fantastic would Madden 12 be with Vick on the cover and a locked out season? Posted by Troy on Apr. 18 2011,10:29
(Leisher @ Apr. 18 2011,10:02) QUOTE Yeah, they'll get publicity from it, but it'll all be negative. I know "any publicity is good publicity", but I don't think that's true. I think you can overdo things, and be put into a bad light. Lots of examples of that, ask sharks. Madden is so damn big, very few people are unaware of its existence. At this point, negative publicity equaling good publicity is bullshit. It's not going to get them extra sales. P.S. How fantastic would Madden 12 be with Vick on the cover and a locked out season? The game would largely consist of you creating an NFL player, and then exporting yourself to Fight Night, FIFA, or Grand Theft Auto. Tom Zbikowski, Chad 85, < Take Your Pick > Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 18 2011,14:11
Vick being a face for a sport that's heading to a federal judge for arbitration is beautiful, poetic irony in motion.Madden NFL 2012 : From Gridiron to Courtroom Ask Madden for legal maneuver... "Well, I'd do a reverse end run around the owners and hire some high-priced lawyers to launch an anti-monopoly offensive motion. That'll push 'em back and let you open up some room for the Hail Mary bargaining ploy later on." Posted by WSGrundy on Apr. 21 2011,09:54
< As many as 70 “mid-tier” NFL players have committed to working with a law firm to demand a seat at the NFL lockout negotiating table, according to the Sports Business Journal. The players reportedly don’t feel their interests are being properly represented by the current NFL Players Association leadership. >Yeah there is no doubt going to be a 2011 season if the players can't even agree with each other. Posted by Leisher on Apr. 21 2011,11:12
This is a serious step backwards for the NFLPA.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 21 2011,11:16
They may as well just cave in now.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 22 2011,12:03
< The NBA strike/lockout is going to be far worse. >Those owners aren't making money, they're losing it, and their players make more... Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 22 2011,12:24
Maybe the NBA should go back to playing basketball.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 25 2011,18:17
< No lockout for you. >
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 25 2011,18:28
The players disbanded their union?
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 25 2011,20:17
No, the judge didn't wait for the ruling on whether or not the players disbanded their union. She is claiming the players have not only proved that they would suffer damage from the lockout, but also that they would ultimately prevail in court. Expect the NFL to ask her for a stay and if she denies it, they'll go to the Feds for a stay. I have no idea how she can make this ruling without hearing first if the players have illegally acted as a union. Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 26 2011,13:47
This shit ain't getting pulled together in four months.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 28 2011,07:24
< Same judges says her order to end the lockout won't be given a stay. >Stunning right? Even though she acknowledges that an important ruling has yet to come down from another court determining whether or not the players are still illegally acting as a union, which they are, she: QUOTE suggested the NFL ''make a decision about how to proceed and accept the consequences'' of that choice and said she saw no evidence of ''injury'' to the league from her order that the lockout be lifted. I think the NFL needed to present new evidence: Exhibit A - The NBA Exhibit B - MLB Exhibit C - The NHL When player contracts get out of control or when free agency becomes a farce where only the big markets can compete, the sport and the league suffer. That's the scenario she's enabling with her ruling. She's focused on the short term and isn't thinking about the future. I'm guessing she's liberal. Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 28 2011,07:31
QUOTE ''The world of 'chaos' the NFL claims it has been thrust into — essentially the 'free-market' system this nation otherwise willfully operates under — is not compelled by this court's order,'' Nelson wrote. What? The? Fuck? I'm not even sure where to begin to kill that sentence. You're claiming the players are arguing for a "free market" in the NFL? Economic and legal FAIL. Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 28 2011,07:33
(Malcolm @ Apr. 28 2011,10:31) QUOTE QUOTE ''The world of 'chaos' the NFL claims it has been thrust into — essentially the 'free-market' system this nation otherwise willfully operates under — is not compelled by this court's order,'' Nelson wrote. What? The? Fuck? I'm not even sure where to begin to kill that sentence. You're claiming the players are arguing for a "free market" in the NFL? Economic and legal FAIL. She's not claiming that. She's saying that without a CBA, the owners are basically in a free market for players. As a fan of a major market team that was pretty awesome in the 80's and very early 90's, I see this as progress. Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 28 2011,08:33
I'd be for the thing that makes my ticket prices not reach in excess of $50.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 28 2011,08:55
(Malcolm @ Apr. 28 2011,11:33) QUOTE I'd be for the thing that makes my ticket prices not reach in excess of $50. < Have fun > I think even the cheapest tickets we ever had for our current season tickets were $70 each, and that was 2 rows from the edge of the stadium. Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 28 2011,09:03
Looks like I won't be seeing the Vikings anytime soon.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 29 2011,05:46
Does anyone think Cam Newton won't be a bust?
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 29 2011,05:53
I'm going to go out on a limb and say he'll be better than Jamarcus Russel.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 29 2011,10:19
I'll go better than Tim Couch.
Posted by Troy on Apr. 29 2011,10:45
Coaching staff that helped develop Phillip Rivers will be developing him.He has a new coach, who has some leeway after a 1-15 season. So he won't be rushed into action. We have a good run game, it will play to his strengths, and the offense will be designed around him. I'm actually feeling good about it. Our front office didn't have a 2nd round pick. They also haven't missed in the 1st round since 2002: Julius Peppers D-Williams Jonathan Stewart Jordan Gross Jon Beason Thomas Davis Jeff Otah. We did our research, apparently he is the real deal. It's on us to develop him into a superstar. Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 29 2011,11:32
QUOTE They also haven't missed in the 1st round since 2002... Just means it's more likely they'll fuck up at least once. Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 30 2011,06:53
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