Forum: General Stuff
Topic: 2011 Japanese Tsunami
started by: GORDON

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 11 2011,06:04
I guess we can make a thread about it in case something else bad happens in Hawaii or CA.
Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 11 2011,06:39
I just spoke to a friend from Tokyo, and she has been able to talk to her family.  Of course the tsunami wasn't a problem for Tokyo, but the earthquake sure was.  All public transportation is shut down.  Communications are almost completely shut down.  There's structural damage all over the place; she was able to reach her mother and she is fine, but she can't get out of her house because all the door frames were warped and she can't get the doors open.
Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 11 2011,06:47



Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 11 2011,07:14


@1:37: This house, it is both ON FIRE and FLOATING AWAY at the same time.

@2:00: I think that truck was still moving when it comes into frame.

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 11 2011,08:05
BBC Live feed.

< http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 >

Posted by WSGrundy on Mar. 11 2011,12:14
Heard from a family on a visit in California and the boats to Alcatraz and the island were closed all day.
Posted by WSGrundy on Mar. 11 2011,12:35
It seems like there is an increase in tsunami or maybe just the coverage but until the big one several years ago while I had heard of the term I never remember any stories of them happening. Now there seems to be damage from them all the time.

Perhaps the southeast asia one was so damaging that it has everyone on edge but I just don't remember ever hearing about them.

Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 11 2011,14:14
They happen all the time.  So much so that there's all these early warning systems that have been put in place all around the Pacific.  Japanese kids grow up learning about them like kids in Kansas learn about tornadoes.  Although this was a pretty big one, as was the one in 2004.  But the main difference is the world has gotten a WHOLE lot smaller in the last 15 years.


Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 11 2011,14:50

(WSGrundy @ Mar. 11 2011,15:35)
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It seems like there is an increase in tsunami or maybe just the coverage but until the big one several years ago while I had heard of the term I never remember any stories of them happening. Now there seems to be damage from them all the time.

Perhaps the southeast asia one was so damaging that it has everyone on edge but I just don't remember ever hearing about them.

It's because we used to call them "tidal waves"
< http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?c....thing=3 >

Posted by WSGrundy on Mar. 11 2011,18:18
I would agree with the whole "world is getting smaller" idea if it wasn't for the obvious answer which is < SUPER MOON >!
Posted by WSGrundy on Mar. 11 2011,19:19
This is not good.

< Two Japanese nuclear plants lose cooling ability. >

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 11 2011,19:47
I'm half expecting Godzilla to show up and start tearing ass.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 11 2011,19:53

(Malcolm @ Mar. 11 2011,22:47)
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I'm half expecting Godzilla to show up and start tearing ass.

I was having Godzilla thoughts this morning when watching that tsunami live.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 11 2011,19:55

(thibodeaux @ Mar. 11 2011,17:50)
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(WSGrundy @ Mar. 11 2011,15:35)
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It seems like there is an increase in tsunami or maybe just the coverage but until the big one several years ago while I had heard of the term I never remember any stories of them happening. Now there seems to be damage from them all the time.

Perhaps the southeast asia one was so damaging that it has everyone on edge but I just don't remember ever hearing about them.

It's because we used to call them "tidal waves"
< http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?c....thing=3 >

I was showing my 5-year-old video footage of the earthquake/tsunami tonight, explaining to him what happened.  He was asking about the "slow" surge of water across the landscape, full of cars and houses, and I explained it was a tsunami and it was because the earthquake happened out at sea, etc.

He said, "Oh, you mean a tidal wave?"

No joke.  No idea where he learned that.

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 11 2011,22:03
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I was having Godzilla thoughts this morning when watching that tsunami live.


While watching coverage I was thinking both about Godzilla and "how will they blame this on Bush or global warming?"

I predict somebody is already working on a conspiracy theory website showing Godzilla as the real culprit. It'll be a parody of the 9/11 conspiracy sites.

Posted by Leisher on Mar. 13 2011,21:51
< Who did Japan piss off? >

< Japan actually moved 13 feet. >

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 14 2011,17:28
Been watching various tsunami footage.

Are 90% of all vehicles in japan white?

Posted by unkbill on Mar. 16 2011,07:20
The only good thing that has come of that whole disaster is that Charley Sheen is off the news.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 16 2011,08:42
Goddamnit.  No one's going to build another nuclear plant for the next fifty years now.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 16 2011,09:10
No one has built one in America for at least 10 years as it is.
Posted by unkbill on Mar. 16 2011,11:16

(GORDON @ Mar. 16 2011,09:10)
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No one has built one in America for at least 10 years as it is.

That is in the works.
What is it about Japan and radiation? If they go off? Think the Japanesee will want more nukes?

Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 16 2011,12:34
< Some Perspective On The Japan Earthquake >

< Why I am not worried about Japan’s nuclear reactors >

The thing is the reactors are working as designed.  The plans account for failure, and this has not been failure.  This is nowhere near As Bad As It Could Be, because of careful design and planning.  This is the bruised elbow of nuclear disasters.  And it's worth it for the better, cleaner, cheaper power.



Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 16 2011,13:12
It seems like there is too much uncertainty to say it's just a bruised elbow at this point.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 16 2011,13:27
Yeah, I am seeing the news reporting everything from CHERNOBYL 2: THE NUKENING to "Nothing to see here, move along."  Sometimes on the same page.  So I don't know what the hell to think.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 16 2011,13:39
So far the best summary I've seen is: "It's currently somewhere between 3 mile island and Chernobyl"  which seems to be a pretty decent gulf, to me.

But at the same time, seems to reflect the fact that, let's face it, only the 150 people there have a good/decent clue of what's going on, and even they have a lot of apparent hurdles with all of the sensor/power outages.

Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 16 2011,13:59
This sounds ungood
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A US agency helping Japan tackle its nuclear crisis at a stricken nuclear power plant says there is no water in one of the reactor's pools, leading to "extremely high" radiation levels.

The announcement by the chairman of the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), Gregory Jaczko, came as the operator of the Fukushima Daiichi plant said it had almost completed a new power line that could restore electricity to the facility and avoid a meltdown.

Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) spokesman Naoki Tsunoda said today that officials were planning to test out the line "as soon as possible", but gave no specific time.

The line would activate electric-powered pumps, allowing TEPCO to feed a steady water supply to troubled reactors and spent fuel storage ponds so they can be kept cool. Workers at the plant have been manually feeding seawater into the reactors to prevent the fuel rods from heating up and melting down after Friday’s earthquake and tsunami shutdown all the country’s nuclear power plants.

Mr Jaczko, who was briefing US politicians in Washington, said the NRC believed "there has been a hydrogen explosion in this unit due to an uncovering of the fuel in the spent fuel pool".

"We believe that secondary containment has been destroyed and there is no water in the spent fuel pool. And we believe that radiation levels are extremely high, which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures."

The NRC and US Department of Energy both have experts on site at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, the Associated Press reported.

The US Energy Secretary, Steven Chu, also expressed his concern at the US energy funds hearing, saying that "the events unfolding in the Japan incidents actually appear to be more serious than Three Mile Island".


< Article. >
And you know the article is up to date, cuz it's from the FUTURE (aka Australia)



Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 16 2011,16:29
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"We believe that secondary containment has been destroyed..."


Well, that's new.  If that is true, then it is indeed becoming more serious.  Still far far far away from Chernobyl serious, though.

Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 16 2011,16:50
Americans: It's bad
Japanese: It's not so bad.

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America's top nuclear official told Congress today that the pool cooling spent fuel rods at the crippled Japanese nuclear complex had lost most of its water or all of its water, a potentially catastrophic situation.
The Japanese quickly challenged that statement, but gave few details saying only that the situation at the holding pool was "stable."

Nuclear Regulatory Commission Chairman Gregory Jaczko said that the fuel pool at unit 4 at the the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant had lost massive amounts of water.

"We believe at this point that unit 4 may have lost a significant inventory, if not lost all of its water," Jaczko told a hearing before the House Energy and Commerce Committee. "What we know at unit three, and again our information is limited, what we believe is that there is a crack in the spent fuel pool for unit three as well, which could lead to a loss of water in that pool."

The spent fuel rods are kept in pools of water to prevent them from overheating and ultimately melting down. The outer shell of the rods could also ignite with enough force to propel the radioactive fuel inside over a wide area.

Japan's nuclear safety agency and Tokyo Electric Power Co., which operates the complex, deny water is gone from the pool. Utility spokesman Hajime Motojuku told the Associated Press the "condition is stable" at unit 4.


I do hope this stabilizes, and not just cuz of the impact on my investments :)

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 16 2011,16:58
When it comes to practical experience with modern nuclear plants, I must defer to the originators of Iron Chef.  Fukushima is 25% bigger (in terms of power output) than anything we've got the balls to operate.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 16 2011,17:00
My money is on the Japs pulling out a save.  If this were happening in any other country on Earth, I would not be so optimistic.

It is bad news to nuke Japan... they only come back stronger.  With tentacles.

Posted by unkbill on Mar. 16 2011,20:30
Didn' t read most of this page. Government or not. Just wait til a couple million die of cancer,
I have nothing against nuke power just the side effects

Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 17 2011,08:26
< http://booksbikesboomsticks.blogspot.com/2011/03/dear-news-media.html >
QUOTE

Dear news media:
Remember back in '50s and early '60s, when we set off something like 900 atomic bombs in Nevada? And how we just let the fallout blow wherever and it landed all over the eastern US? And how it wiped out life as we know it and all that was left from Colorado to the Atlantic were six-legged rats battling two-headed cockroaches in the glowing ruins?

Yeah. Exactly. So shut up with the panic already.

Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 17 2011,08:48
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and all that was left from Colorado to the Atlantic were six-legged rats battling two-headed cockroaches in the glowing ruins

That'd be fucking awesome.

Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 17 2011,09:24
< http://www.isegoria.net/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source/ >
QUOTE

If you look at deaths per TWh by energy source, you find that nuclear energy is — surprise! — quite safe:

Coal (161)
Oil (36)
Natural Gas (4)
Hydro (1.4)
Nuclear (0.04)

Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 18 2011,11:01
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Seven days after the 9.0 quake off Japan, donations to nonprofit organizations have reached about $87 million, according to a tally by the Chronicle of Philanthropy, a newspaper covering nonprofits. In comparison, one week after the earthquake in Haiti, donations totaled about $275 million. In the case of Hurricane Katrina, it was over $522 million, CNNMoney reports.

Japan can kinda take care of itself, right?  I mean, they aren't Haiti or NoLa.

Posted by GORDON on Mar. 18 2011,11:40
I wouldn't think Japan would need money to recover from a disaster any more than the USA would, though I always figured donations were for stuff like the Red Cross to help at a person-level instead of a government level.
Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 18 2011,12:22

(TheCatt @ Mar. 18 2011,14:01)
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Japan can kinda take care of itself, right?  I mean, they aren't Haiti or NoLa.

Raaaaaa-cist.
Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 18 2011,12:23
I don't donate to charities.  They pay enormous salaries to their people.  I already drive a Japanese car.
Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 21 2011,15:25

(thibodeaux @ Mar. 18 2011,14:23)
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I don't donate to charities.  They pay enormous salaries to their people.  I already drive a Japanese car.

The key is to find the right charity.  Some good ones end up using 100% of donations for whatever their expressed purpose is.  One bad one I know of spends roughly 98% on salaries and operating expenses.  It's all relative.

Not really on topic for the thread, just wanted to mention.

Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 22 2011,11:30
< http://xkcd.com/radiation/ >
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2011,11:38
All those pictures for want of a few digits in scientific notation?
Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 22 2011,11:55
Well, this is mostly for people that don't "get" numbers.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 22 2011,12:05
Tragic.  Numbers have rather little to do with math, too.


Posted by GORDON on Mar. 26 2011,22:42
They got this road fixed in 6 days.

I'm guessing their road crews aren't unionized.  And they didn't need to wait a few months to get Obama's ARRA sign printed.

< http://www.autoblog.com/2011....ix-days >

Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 12 2011,12:42
< Japan says nuclear fuck up officially as shitty as Chernobyl >.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 12 2011,14:44

(Malcolm @ Apr. 12 2011,15:42)
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< Japan says nuclear fuck up officially as shitty as Chernobyl >.

Well, technically, they said on the same level as, not as shitty as.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 12 2011,17:49
Still not a category you like to find yourself in.  The club is you and some underfunded commies from three decades ago.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 13 2011,04:17
Granted, it didn't take the wost earthquake in X centuries to cause Chernobyl to melt down.
Posted by Leisher on Apr. 13 2011,05:17
First thing I thought of was that we can look forward to versions of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. set in Japan.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 17 2011,17:05
As more of the country gets back on the net, more vids are showing up on Youtube.

This one actually has some peeps not running fast enough.


Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 17 2011,19:12
A couple of weeks ago, I showed my daughter (just turned 4) one of the tsunami videos that showed a bay overflowing into a town, wiping away all the cars and some buildings.  She loved it, so I showed it to her again, then decided maybe we shouldn't keep watching it.

Today, I walked into the bonus room and she had cut some paper into a hundred or so pieces.  I asked what she was doing "Well daddy, over there is the ocean (pointing beyond the paper scraps), and then, behind that is an earthquake.  And, the earthquake made a tsunami, which is wiping away all the cars (holding up pieces of paper), and there's the green building going away."  (There was a large green warehouse building that floated away in the video).

It made quite the impression, apparently.

Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 27 2011,17:22
Mar 11, 2011: Japanese tsunami from the point of view of a car

< http://www.wimp.com/japanesetsunami/ >

Posted by TPRJones on Jun. 27 2011,17:23
Aftermath:  < http://youtu.be/CazswZd454o >
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 15 2012,08:24
One of the side effects of the radiation?

< Mothra. >

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