Forum: General Stuff Topic: Diet....contest? started by: GORDON Posted by GORDON on Nov. 23 2010,20:47
I'm currently living in hotels and eating poorly, but after December 2nd I will be going on a diet. I am currently around 220, and my goal is 190, approximately 15% of my body weight.Who wants to try to lost 15% of their body weight faster than I do? Based on my last diet a couple years ago I will get to 200 pretty easily, but the last 10 pounds will be hell. I gave up when I reached 195. Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 23 2010,22:05
I don't want to lose that much. I want to hit 190 as well, but I'm at 210 right now.
Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 24 2010,04:28
I'm at 205... losing 15% would be too much (175). But I'm open to any kind of weight loss challenge. I've dropped 5 pounds in the last 2 weeks, looking to lose 20 more (10%). Posted by thibodeaux on Nov. 24 2010,05:31
Already done it, by doing the following:* Cutting out sugar, as much as possible (sticking to diet soda) * Cutting out grains, as much as possible (no pasta, pizza, or bread) * Cutting way back on dairy. I used to drink maybe 2 gallons of milk/week. Now I just have a glass or two a week * Eating LOTS of meat, protein, and fat: bacon & eggs for breakfast (REAL bacon, REAL eggs with yolks), protein shakes with coconut milk for snacks I went from 215 lbs just a few years ago to 175 now. I work out once a week, for about 10-15 minutes, lifting weights, and that's it. Will this work for everybody? Probably not. But damn, it's easy and fun. I'm never hungry (except on workout days: I workout fasted and then don't eat until a few hours later, and even that's not so bad). I don't spend hours in the gym on the treadmill, or pounding the sidewalk. Give it a shot. Posted by Leisher on Nov. 24 2010,06:01
I could get involved in a diet/weight loss challenge, but I wouldn't start until January. I'm currently unable to work out, plus after doing a round of P90X this summer I promised myself that I'd take the Christmas season off from dieting and working out. Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 24 2010,09:53
(thibodeaux @ Nov. 23 2010,22:31) QUOTE * Cutting out grains, as much as possible (no pasta, pizza, or bread) That is pure insanity. No way I could give up my Pizza and Pasta. Last time I went from 225 down to 190, it was by counting calories (which naturally lowered everything else) and working out. This time, I'm back to counting calories and I'm getting active in sports (indoor lacrosse) and will most likely start working out again. I just have to get consistant. Yesterday, I probably ate about 1100 calories for the day. Today, I've had that many in cocoa pebbles for breakfast. Posted by thibodeaux on Nov. 24 2010,10:25
It's up to you. My way, I don't have to count calories AT ALL, I'm never hungry, and I don't have to spend hours in physical activity. But that's just me. Do I miss pizza? Sure; I used to love going to the buffet and gorging. But it reminds me of the < joke about the priest and the rabbi >: I like pizza, but I like not being a lardass a lot better.If you want to lose weight, processed grains are about the worst thing you can eat. Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 24 2010,10:46
I'm trying a modified version of the < Thib > diet.QUOTE Centered on commonly available modern foods, the "contemporary" Paleolithic diet consists mainly of meat, fish, vegetables, fruit, roots, and nuts; and excludes grains, legumes, dairy products, salt, refined sugar, and processed oils I try to limit myself to around 100 carbs a day, which I try to get primarily from veggies and fruits. I usually eat about 2 pieces of grains a day (1 25-carb tortilla wrap; a piece of bread). I cut out most candy/desserts, but I eat ice cream a couple of days a week, cuz I love it. I've cut out most dairy (aside from the ice cream). I used to eat pizza 5 meals a week. I now haven't had it in two weeks. I still eat peanuts, although they are technically legumes. I'm trying to approach this as a lifestyle change, not a diet, so I've made the compromises in order to make it something I think I can live with forever. Example day in the life: Breakfast: 1 cup low-sugar OJ (8-10g carbs) 1 banana (20-25g carbs) 3 eggs, scrambled 6 pieces of bacon Lunch: 2 hot dogs 1 tortilla wrap (20g carbs) Avocado Nuts Snack: Nuts Dinner: 1/2lb of pig, some pig sauce (10-20g carbs) Broccoli The biggest issues I've had are: 1) First three days, I tried to eat almost no carbs. I felt like death. 2) Headaches, generally when I don't eat carbs at lunch. 3) Variety: I'm not much of a vegetable eater, and ramping up my meat has been a bit strange. 4) Some constipation. So far, 5 lbs lost in 2 weeks. I feel like my energy level is more stable than it was before. Food cravings are much reduced. And I haven't been jogging at all (The main reason I did this change was cuz I did a 10k training run -> Felt great at the time, took my daughter trick-or-treating the next day, and felt like my foot was broken) Posted by GORDON on Nov. 24 2010,11:01
My main method is going to be to reduce my portions. I can really put it away when it is a meal I love, like when I make steak and hashed browns... mmmm...Breakfast a slice of wheat toast, butter, small glass of milk. Lunch would be a 210 calorie Lean Cousine. Supper a single half-of-a-butterflied, grilled chicken breast, wheat bun, side of veggies, water to drink. That sort of thing. Anyway, this method leaves me hungry all the damned time, and cranky, but I will lose 2-3 pounds a day. 5 pounds if I am out sweating with yard work/gym that day. But 200 pounds is where my body wants to be... 200 is like the base of a mountain, for me. Hard losing after that point. Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 24 2010,11:32
Losing 2-3 per day is WAY too fast for me. If I'm hungry all the time, then I don't stick to things. Like, eating 5 bowls of cocoa pebbles this morning. That's a result of skipping supper last night due to being too lazy to fix something. I eat small portions about 5-6 times a day.
Posted by Paul on Nov. 26 2010,20:48
If I lost 15% of my body weight I'd die.
Posted by unkbill on Nov. 27 2010,05:25
I would be your huckleberry but the doctor really doesn't want me to lose weight really fast. Its actually hard on your body and you tend to gain it back just as fast. He has been really happy with 40 lbs in 11.5 months. The main change was walking almost everyday and learning how to count calories. Doesn't matter what you eat just how much I intake. Guess so far I have been lucky I can intake 2400 calories and day(Not that I do most days) and still lose weight.The wife even bitched to the doctor about my drinking. He said he didn't give a shit about it right now as long as I was losing weight. So after deer hunting I plan on hitting it again. Would like to lose another 5 by Xmas. That is the year mark. Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 27 2010,07:03
Well, do we want to track this in a Google doc?I found < this site >, where I signed up as The Catt. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 27 2010,07:33
I signed up as GordonI will start the diet after this next weekend. I have more excess flab so I'll be losing it fast, so y'all can have a head start. ;) Was 218 two nights ago. Posted by thibodeaux on Nov. 27 2010,09:19
I have to say I'm mystified. There's option A: count calories, be hungry all the time, and spend hours exercising. Then there's option B: eat as much as you want of REAL food: fruits, nuts, vegetables, and meat, including bacon and steak, without worrying about calories or exercising.And y'all would really rather do option A? Posted by GORDON on Nov. 27 2010,09:36
(thibodeaux @ Nov. 27 2010,12:19) QUOTE I have to say I'm mystified. There's option A: count calories, be hungry all the time, and spend hours exercising. Then there's option B: eat as much as you want of REAL food: fruits, nuts, vegetables, and meat, including bacon and steak, without worrying about calories or exercising. And y'all would really rather do option A? It's a nefarious plot to freak you out. Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 27 2010,10:01
< The twinkie diet sounds intriguing. >
Posted by Cakedaddy on Nov. 27 2010,10:23
(thibodeaux @ Nov. 27 2010,02:19) QUOTE I have to say I'm mystified. There's option A: count calories, be hungry all the time, and spend hours exercising. Then there's option B: eat as much as you want of REAL food: fruits, nuts, vegetables, and meat, including bacon and steak, without worrying about calories or exercising. And y'all would really rather do option A? I would rather eat less and exercise than not eat pasta and pizza. In fact, the other night, I ate pizza casserole. A noodle/pizza hybrid! Posted by GORDON on Nov. 27 2010,10:35
Thib's is essentially the no-carb diet, right? Everyone I saw do that looked really unhealthy. Plus, I don't want to pay for all that extra meat.
Posted by thibodeaux on Nov. 27 2010,11:12
If you've seen somebody on a low-carb diet look unhealthy, I imagine they were doing it wrong.
Posted by GORDON on Nov. 27 2010,11:51
Their coloring looks weird. Yellowish. I've seen it on more than one person. And I remember some comedian talking about it when that diet was really popular.
Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 27 2010,12:29
< Low glycemic index diets = best for weight maintenance >QUOTE Eating lots of protein and skimping on refined starch is the best weight maintenance diet, reports a Danish study. Researchers at the University of Copenhagen compared the results of five different weight-maintenance diets on almost 800 European families.
Their conclusion: The most effective is the low-glycemic diet - which means more lean meats, beans, low-fat dairy and less refined starch such as white bread and white rice. The glycemic index measures how carbs break down and changes our blood sugar levels. Foods that spike the blood sugar are assigned higher glycemic index numbers. For example, lima beans, peas, legumes and lentils have glycemic index below 55, while white bread, corn flakes and white rice have GI above 70. The findings in the New England Journal of Medicine stated that the low-glycemic diet was the easiest to adhere to among the five weight-maintenance diets assigned. But James O. Hill, director of the Center for Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado, who was not involved in the study told the Los Angeles Times, "There is not much difference among the groups right now,” about the five different diets. Posted by Alhazad on Nov. 27 2010,16:32
(thibodeaux @ Nov. 27 2010,09:19) QUOTE I have to say I'm mystified. There's option A: count calories, be hungry all the time, and spend hours exercising. Then there's option B: eat as much as you want of REAL food: fruits, nuts, vegetables, and meat, including bacon and steak, without worrying about calories or exercising. And y'all would really rather do option A? Hell no I wouldn't rather do A; but like GORDO I don't want to lay out the money for an all-delicious diet. On top of that I'd worry about getting too much LDL (bad) cholesterol on that regime. But I'll play. 220 looking for 180; the weight I was at when I rode a bike 3 miles to my physical-labor job five days a week. Ideally I'd like to be a wraith and horrify people with my skinny longhair-ness ... suppose I'll put these chips away. Posted by thibodeaux on Nov. 27 2010,16:40
(Alhazad @ Nov. 27 2010,19:32) QUOTE On top of that I'd worry about getting too much LDL (bad) cholesterol on that regime. You won't. High LDL cholesterol is a symptom of a pro-inflammatory diet containing (HEY CAKEDADDY!) grains and industrial lubricants like vegetable oil. A low-carb, high-protein, high-saturated-fat diet will improve your numbers. Posted by Alhazad on Nov. 27 2010,16:45
(thibodeaux @ Nov. 27 2010,16:40) QUOTE (Alhazad @ Nov. 27 2010,19:32) QUOTE On top of that I'd worry about getting too much LDL (bad) cholesterol on that regime. You won't. High LDL cholesterol is a symptom of a pro-inflammatory diet containing (HEY CAKEDADDY!) grains and industrial lubricants like vegetable oil. A low-carb, high-protein, high-saturated-fat diet will improve your numbers. That's handy. Anything to discredit the claims that cutting out processed/cooked starch is detrimental to brain function? I don't want to be just another pretty face. Posted by thibodeaux on Nov. 27 2010,16:58
(Alhazad @ Nov. 27 2010,19:45) QUOTE That's handy. Anything to discredit the claims that cutting out processed/cooked starch is detrimental to brain function? I don't want to be just another pretty face. THAT'S one I haven't heard. Seems rather dubious. Starch is basically glucose, and of course the brain runs on glucose when it's available. But your body can synthesize glucose from other foods, and also the brain runs just fine on ketone bodies when you're low on glucose. I'll put it this way: it hasn't seemed to affect MY brain. Posted by Alhazad on Nov. 27 2010,17:04
(thibodeaux @ Nov. 27 2010,16:58) QUOTE THAT'S one I haven't heard. Seems rather dubious. Starch is basically glucose, and of course the brain runs on glucose when it's available. But your body can synthesize glucose from other foods, and also the brain runs just fine on ketone bodies when you're low on glucose. I'll put it this way: it hasn't seemed to affect MY brain. Heard it back at my aforementioned job from one of the cooks, who I believe had been told it by her doctor to warn her away from Atkin's. I've also read articles linking evolution of human cranial capacity to the advent of cooking, which unlocked a source of easy starchy calories that you didn't have to chase and beat with a stick, but I don't know if that's related. Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 27 2010,17:27
Well, that's up to debate. ![]() In the short term, it definitely impairs brain function. The theory is that over time (weeks), the body adapts, and the brain gets energy from ketones or pulling glucose from other sources. Every time I've tried a low carb (<25g/day) diet, I've felt like death. But doing it around 100g has prevented the death-like, semi-retarded mental state the lower levels do. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 27 2010,17:36
(Alhazad @ Nov. 27 2010,19:32) QUOTE But I'll play. 220 looking for 180; the weight I was at when I rode a bike 3 miles to my physical-labor job five days a week. Geez, last time I was 180 I was coming off of chemotherapy. I don't think I could go that low without.... another round of Marine boot camp, maybe, where they feed you 3000 calories a day and burn 5000 a day off of you. Posted by Alhazad on Nov. 27 2010,18:36
(GORDON @ Nov. 27 2010,17:36) QUOTE (Alhazad @ Nov. 27 2010,19:32) QUOTE But I'll play. 220 looking for 180; the weight I was at when I rode a bike 3 miles to my physical-labor job five days a week. Geez, last time I was 180 I was coming off of chemotherapy. I don't think I could go that low without.... another round of Marine boot camp, maybe, where they feed you 3000 calories a day and burn 5000 a day off of you. Yes sir, but I'm 5'6". I was still pudgy at 180. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 27 2010,20:33
Why, you're wee.
Posted by TPRJones on Nov. 27 2010,20:40
I'm on the Door diet plan.Do I still fit out of the door? Yes. Then no need for a diet yet. Posted by Alhazad on Nov. 28 2010,16:49
Legs feel better after a week or so of biking. Don't get so tired riding between work and home.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 03 2010,16:10
My diet starts Monday; I will do my first official weigh-in when I get up in the morning.Prepare for Mr. Cranky. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 03 2010,17:27
I don't know when mine starts... Thanksgiving + my brother's birthday + being sick + new baby = 5 lbs apparently.
Posted by Alhazad on Dec. 03 2010,18:36
My Hey Catt, what do you do for decent snacking fare besides the obvious jerky, nuts, and baby carrots? Posted by GORDON on Dec. 03 2010,18:40
(Alhazad @ Dec. 03 2010,21:36) QUOTE My Hey Catt, what do you do for decent snacking fare besides the obvious jerky, nuts, and baby carrots? Walmart has Yoplait yogurts on sale for $.50 each. Not very filling and 120 calories a pop. 100 calorie microwave popcorns. Diet A&W... 0 calories. Posted by Cakedaddy on Dec. 03 2010,18:41
Is that all you ate all day, or just examples of what you're eating?
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 03 2010,19:06
Diet starts Monday.I went shopping today for some things I'll be eating. After 10 days or so I'll be ready for Thib's MEAT FRENZY diet. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 04 2010,12:34
(Alhazad @ Dec. 03 2010,21:36) QUOTE My Hey Catt, what do you do for decent snacking fare besides the obvious jerky, nuts, and baby carrots? Honestly, I snacked very little when I was sticking to the dietary change. but when I did, yeah, those items. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2010,05:22
Just entered my initial weight.... 218.4... into that skinnyo website.I don't know how to use it yet, but I guess I'll just update it every day and look for functionality. I'll be using my "first thing in the morning after I pee" weight. Posted by unkbill on Dec. 06 2010,06:39
< http://whole9fitness.com/why-you-shouldnt-weigh-yourself-every-day/ >Two things to remember about wieghting yourself everyday. It isn't just a show the Biggest Loser. It is a tool. They weigh in once a week. If they showed those people what there wieght was doing everyday they would explode mentally. I stick to once a week. Posted by unkbill on Dec. 06 2010,07:14
Join the club this morning. Tried to add gordo and cat. Don't actually know how that works. I'm Rost. Saw that none of us have earned badges. I'm so excited about earning badges, heh.Funny how things work. Deer season. Ate what I wanted when I wanted. The slowest drinking night for me was probably a 12 pack. Lost 3 pounds. My buddy did mention we had potato chips left over which surprised him and the way I eat them. (Which I didn't this year) Must have been the cold and making my body trying to warm itself. Which happens to be my tip. Ice water. Makes your body heat it up which burns calories. Not much but every little bit. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2010,07:25
(unkbill @ Dec. 06 2010,09:39) QUOTE If they showed those people what there wieght was doing everyday they would explode mentally. I'm not going to explode mentally. Or, I already did in boot camp. Either way. I know I am not going to fail so I just want to keep on top of it. I like daily measuring and feedback. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 06 2010,07:26
(unkbill @ Dec. 06 2010,10:14) QUOTE Must have been the cold and making my body trying to warm itself. Which happens to be my tip. Ice water. Makes your body heat it up which burns calories. Not much but every little bit. Biggest danger in cold weather is dehydration. Assuming you were prepared enough to not worry about hypothermia or frostbite. Posted by unkbill on Dec. 06 2010,08:36
(GORDON @ Dec. 06 2010,07:25) QUOTE (unkbill @ Dec. 06 2010,09:39) QUOTE If they showed those people what there wieght was doing everyday they would explode mentally. I'm not going to explode mentally. Or, I already did in boot camp. Either way. I know I am not going to fail so I just want to keep on top of it. I like daily measuring and feedback. I bet 50% of people couldn't handle daily wieghting. You probably can but people don't realize you are gaining muscle be patient. And eventually quit do to dispair. It got to me. Luckily I have a weight lifting couson who helps me mentally. He says being impatient is good but don't let it break you. Keep your head down and keep walking it will come. I can't see a difference but people made comments I don't huff and puff as much as I did walking big hills this year. Wait till next year. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 06 2010,10:22
I weigh every hour or two. I know how much my shoes, jeans, shirt, poop, pee, meals, etc weigh.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 07 2010,13:20
I have 2 points now on skinnyo. Has anyone else updated yet?
Posted by unkbill on Dec. 08 2010,05:18
(GORDON @ Dec. 07 2010,13:20) QUOTE I have 2 points now on skinnyo. Has anyone else updated yet? Wow your quick it has you down as losing 28 pounds. Haven't updated yet. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 08 2010,05:20
2 point 8.The numbers shouldn't be so smashed together. Posted by unkbill on Dec. 08 2010,19:35
(GORDON @ Dec. 08 2010,05:20) QUOTE 2 point 8. The numbers shouldn't be so smashed together. Good I tought you cheated and cut off your leg or something drastic. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 09 2010,08:29
Lean Cousine's 260 calorie "Classic Macaroni and Beef" is actually edible if you put a lot of Texas Pete hot sauce on it.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 13 2010,05:06
Net loss week one: 5.2 pounds.Total loss: 5.2 pounds Posted by unkbill on Dec. 13 2010,05:56
Was going thru some papers last night. Winter is here and I can devote more time to walking on a schedule. I was walking everyday. Now it is 3-4 days a week. Started walking 8 minutes and three tenths of a mile. No weights. Now I walk 15 minutes and just over three quarters of a mile while half the time using 3,5,8 pound wieghts. As of today down 39 pounds. December 13, 2010. My 1 years anniversary. Guess I will go for my morning walk now.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 14 2010,12:30
< 4 hour body diet >
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2010,12:38
(TheCatt @ Dec. 14 2010,15:30) QUOTE < 4 hour body diet > QUOTE Avoid any carbohydrate that is, or can be, white. The following foods are prohibited, except for within 30 minutes of finishing a resistance-training workout like those described in the "From Geek to Freak" or "Occam's Protocol" chapters: all bread, rice (including brown), cereal, potatoes, pasta, tortillas, and fried food with breading. If you avoid eating the aforementioned foods and anything else white, you'll be safe. Just ugh. I'm doing fine so far just eating smaller portions. Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 14 2010,13:27
WTF? Yeah, why try the easy way?I'm telling you fools: DITCH THE CARBS. You will FEEL BETTER. You will LOOK BETTER. YOU WILL BE HEALTHIER. Grains are NOT FOOD. They mess up your immune system. They mess up your insulin. They make you fat. You are better off without them. Seriously. Don't tell me you don't want to. *I* didn't want to, but I'm glad I did. Also, give up the Cardio, and lift weights for 20 minutes, once a week. THAT'S IT. Or don't. Be a fool, and waste your time. Be a starving fatass lardbutt diabetic with arthritis. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 14 2010,13:31
I hear grains make you less grumpy.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 14 2010,13:36
I'm thinking about trying HIIT beginning in January. Need an exercise bike though as I don't want to run. I want to be able to do this at home. Thib, where's that chain talking about what you eat and don't eat? I'm curious about that diet, but obviously skeptical. It can't be that simple without side effects. Right? Right? Anyone? Posted by unkbill on Dec. 14 2010,14:00
(thibodeaux @ Dec. 14 2010,13:27) QUOTE WTF? Yeah, why try the easy way? I'm telling you fools: DITCH THE CARBS. You will FEEL BETTER. You will LOOK BETTER. YOU WILL BE HEALTHIER. Grains are NOT FOOD. They mess up your immune system. They mess up your insulin. They make you fat. You are better off without them. Seriously. Don't tell me you don't want to. *I* didn't want to, but I'm glad I did. Also, give up the Cardio, and lift weights for 20 minutes, once a week. THAT'S IT. Or don't. Be a fool, and waste your time. Be a starving fatass lardbutt diabetic with arthritis. Your are right about the carbs. I felt my best on the adkins diet. Can't afford all that meat now. I try to avoid processed grains.(white bread) Whole grains aren't that bad. Don't know about cardio. I walk from 12 to 14 minutes a day. People may think well you are only walking 5.5 to 7.5 tenths of a mile. Maybe but try doing it pumping 3,5 and 8 pounds weights. I'd bet the calorie meter on the treadmill would triple if that where factored in. I also don't eat fruits with my meal. It spikes your insulin level witch tells your liver to store fat instead of burn it. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2010,14:01
(thibodeaux @ Dec. 14 2010,16:27) QUOTE WTF? Yeah, why try the easy way? I'm telling you fools: DITCH THE CARBS. You will FEEL BETTER. You will LOOK BETTER. YOU WILL BE HEALTHIER. Grains are NOT FOOD. They mess up your immune system. They mess up your insulin. They make you fat. You are better off without them. Seriously. Don't tell me you don't want to. *I* didn't want to, but I'm glad I did. Also, give up the Cardio, and lift weights for 20 minutes, once a week. THAT'S IT. Or don't. Be a fool, and waste your time. Be a starving fatass lardbutt diabetic with arthritis. You'd be all over giving up food altogether for a single pill that constitutes an entire meal, I bet. You never eat french fries, pizza, breaded hot wings, or hamburgers? Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 14 2010,14:04
(Leisher @ Dec. 14 2010,16:36) QUOTE Thib, where's that chain talking about what you eat and don't eat? I'm curious about that diet, but obviously skeptical. It can't be that simple without side effects. Right? Right? Anyone? I dunno; I think it's called "diet and exercise." But it IS that simple, and if there are side effects, I don't notice; maybe I've acclimated. If I were to recommend two books, they would be: 1. < The 6-Week Cure for the Middle-Aged Middle > for diet 2. < Body By Science > for exercise They are both fairly short, although Body By Science has some, like, science that was hard for me to follow. Check your local library. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2010,15:43
Whew.Just had 2 burritos that had about a half head of lettuce between the two (80% lettuce/tomato, I estimate). Add a little beef and refried beans, tomato and a little cheese and onion, and it was probably 2 pounds and 1000 calories. Add that to the 300 calorie lean cuisine for lunch, the biscuit w/honey for breakfast, and I am approx 1500 calories for the day... and I feel bloated at the moment, heh. I hope all of that lettuce and tomato doesn't screw up my weigh-in in the morning. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2010,15:55
It just occurred to me to wonder why I ate TWO of them, when my hunger was sated by the first one.I think I went a little insane. Posted by unkbill on Dec. 15 2010,05:09
, two rashers of bacon or a ham sandwich, for example Evidently the site is English. Anyhow the site makes you email question instead of having a vocabulary section. What is BMI? Does it stand for Body Mass Index? And why the hell is it important? Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 15 2010,06:12
Also, if you really want to take the anti-carb Red Pill, and understand WHY your doctor incorrectly believes the whole grains are good and fats are bad, you MUST read Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. Here's his latest blog post:< http://www.garytaubes.com/2010/12/calories-fat-or-carbohydrates/ > Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 15 2010,06:16
(GORDON @ Dec. 14 2010,17:01) QUOTE You never eat french fries, pizza, breaded hot wings, or hamburgers? Not never, but almost never. There was free pizza at work yesterday---really good pizza---and I just ate my bacon and eggs that I brought, plus I scraped some meat and cheese of a slice. I've never really been into hotwings. Hamburgers, I skip the bun. Fries, being potatoes, aren't as bad as grains. They're starchy, so you gotta be careful. Grains just are NOT people food. They're grass seeds. If if they didn't make you fat, they would still be bad because they make you sick. Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 15 2010,06:19
(Leisher @ Dec. 14 2010,16:36) QUOTE I'm thinking about trying HIIT beginning in January. Need an exercise bike though as I don't want to run. I want to be able to do this at home. I joined a low-cost gym that has machines so that I could do weightlifting to failure. I have a set of free weights at home, but I wasn't thrilled with the idea of doing, say, bench presses to failure by myself. Fortunately, there's a gym about 5 minutes from my house that charges $7/month. In the summer I was doing Tabata sprints once a week or so. But since I read Body By Science, I'm just doing the machines. Been doing that for a couple of months. I may tweak it some next year. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 15 2010,06:48
That article you linked is pretty interesting. I don't want to do an all meat diet, ala Adkins, but that guy makes really compelling points about how cutting carbs is the key to weight loss and weight management. Like Gordo, I enjoy hamburgers, I make great pizza, and I even like croutons on my salads. I also like my current every 2 hour eating method. It definitely has affected my metabolism. Essentially, it's nothing more than grabbing a piece of fruit or anything with 100 or so calories every 2 hours to keep "the furnace burning." I guess I just need to do some research on what food options would be best for me to cut down on carbs, but not completely eliminating them. I'm also 99% sure that I'm going to start off in January with HIIT and probably the P90X ab workout. I love P90X and from all the research I've seen, of the workout fads/ideas/etc. that came out last year, the two that everyone (experts) agrees work are P90X and HIIT. The key being commitment. I did 90 days of P90X this summer and it went well, but the weight loss/body defining is really slow. Probably because I didn't stick to their exact diet, do more than the minimum, have the proper weights I needed, and because I worked out every night at 10 p.m. I loved the P90X program, but 60 minutes a night, 6 nights a week is damn near impossible with three kids, a wife, a full time job, friends, poker/golf league, and other interests than just working out. HIIT is 20 minutes maximum, 3 or 4 days a week. The only key to this working is that you have to be gassed when you're done. If you're not, then you're not doing it right. I don't know. I've got a few weeks to figure out what diet and exercise plan is going to work best for me given my current situation. How'd you like Tabata Thib? Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 15 2010,07:12
(Leisher @ Dec. 15 2010,09:48) QUOTE I also like my current every 2 hour eating method. It definitely has affected my metabolism. Essentially, it's nothing more than grabbing a piece of fruit or anything with 100 or so calories every 2 hours to keep "the furnace burning." Yeah, only that "burning furnace" stuff is BS, also. It's better to eat fewer, larger meals, and then go long periods without eating. This is called "intermittent fasting" or IF. QUOTE HIIT is 20 minutes maximum, 3 or 4 days a week. The only key to this working is that you have to be gassed when you're done. If you're not, then you're not doing it right. Yes, exactly. But you probably don't even need to do it that often. P90X is, IMHO, overtraining, and really wastes a lot of time. You don't need to workout every day for an hour, and you sure don't need to do cardio. QUOTE How'd you like Tabata Thib? I thought I was gonna pass out. Honestly, I think doing slow-motion weights to failure is the way to go if you can get that situation. Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 15 2010,08:00
(thibodeaux @ Dec. 15 2010,10:12) QUOTE (Leisher @ Dec. 15 2010,09:48) QUOTE I also like my current every 2 hour eating method. It definitely has affected my metabolism. Essentially, it's nothing more than grabbing a piece of fruit or anything with 100 or so calories every 2 hours to keep "the furnace burning." Yeah, only that "burning furnace" stuff is BS, also. It's better to eat fewer, larger meals, and then go long periods without eating. This is called "intermittent fasting" or IF. And just to expand on this: if you're trying to lose bodyfat, the last thing you want to do is be constantly spiking your insulin---i.e., eating fruit all the time. Insulin is what causes your body to store calories as fat. This is the fundamental fact that is behind the success of low-carb dietingl Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 15 2010,08:14
I think I'm going to try the 4 hour body diet version. I like the one day off thing... and the addition of beans (versus paleo) will probably do a lot to keep me sane.I just need to work up a menu before I start. Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 15 2010,08:24
IMHO, if you eliminate grains and sugar, that's like 90% of what you need to do, and will yield FANTASTIC results. I bet youse guys could get 20 or 30 pounds of weight loss, just from that (assuming you were that much overweight).
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 15 2010,08:59
So let's say I am doing it my way, reducing my portions and still eating a regular menu of meat, grains, potatoes, etc... just taking in fewer calories than I burn every day in order to lose weight.If I decide to take a day and, literally, eat 2 pounds of New York Strip over the day and nothing else, will I continue to lose weight that day? Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 15 2010,11:10
(GORDON @ Dec. 15 2010,11:59) QUOTE So let's say I am doing it my way, reducing my portions and still eating a regular menu of meat, grains, potatoes, etc... just taking in fewer calories than I burn every day in order to lose weight. If I decide to take a day and, literally, eat 2 pounds of New York Strip over the day and nothing else, will I continue to lose weight that day? Will you lose weight THAT DAY? I don't know. But if you make this your standard operating procedure (maybe eat half the steak for lunch and half for dinner) for a month, then hell yes, you will lose body fat. Think about this: when you restrict your calories, do you think you're eating more or less carbs than you usually do? Control that variable and get back to me on the weight loss. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 15 2010,11:23
(thibodeaux @ Dec. 15 2010,11:00) QUOTE (thibodeaux @ Dec. 15 2010,10:12) QUOTE (Leisher @ Dec. 15 2010,09:48) QUOTE I also like my current every 2 hour eating method. It definitely has affected my metabolism. Essentially, it's nothing more than grabbing a piece of fruit or anything with 100 or so calories every 2 hours to keep "the furnace burning." Yeah, only that "burning furnace" stuff is BS, also. It's better to eat fewer, larger meals, and then go long periods without eating. This is called "intermittent fasting" or IF. And just to expand on this: if you're trying to lose bodyfat, the last thing you want to do is be constantly spiking your insulin---i.e., eating fruit all the time. Insulin is what causes your body to store calories as fat. This is the fundamental fact that is behind the success of low-carb dietingl How long ago was this book written? I cannot remember the source, I think it was a network morning news show, but the whole eating all day thing was confirmed to help your metabolism. I remember it not being "the key" or end all be all of dieting, but it was proven to have some effect. I may be completely wrong, but I swear I just saw something about that. The reason it's in my head is because I came up with this eat every two hours thing on my own 2 years ago when I lost 30 pounds in 30 days doing this diet and Wii Fit. I remember thinking the report was validation of my methods. Back to the 4 hour diet, what does one do about fiber? Is there a requirement or suggestion for water intake? (I remember something about Adkins dieters needing a lot more than normal per day?) You've convinced me enough to grab the book for my iPad this evening to get more details and see if I can make a menu I like. One more thing: Is this a lifestyle change? If so, how does you body adjust to losing all that body fat? In other words, are there potential negatives ahead that maybe get avoided by altering some things once you hit your target weight? If it's just a diet, how quickly does the weight come back? Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 15 2010,11:27
If it works for you, go for it. I still think you're missing a bet, though.As for fiber: you don't need fiber. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 15 2010,12:04
And out of curiosity, Thib, what do you have against cardio?
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 15 2010,12:13
QUOTE I still think you're missing a bet, though. A wager? QUOTE As for fiber: you don't need fiber. You've got to prove that one to me. Is it in the book? Or are you just saying the diet gives you fiber? Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 15 2010,15:14
(GORDON @ Dec. 15 2010,15:04) QUOTE And out of curiosity, Thib, what do you have against cardio? Cardio is stupid. It's damaging to your body and it's a timesuck. < This pic says it all >. Of course, that's a little disingenuous: top sprinters don't have those bodies because they're sprinters; they're top sprinters because they have those bodies. Still, for regular joes like you and me, which end of the spectrum would you rather work toward? Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 15 2010,15:16
(Leisher @ Dec. 15 2010,15:13) QUOTE QUOTE As for fiber: you don't need fiber. You've got to prove that one to me. Is it in the book? Or are you just saying the diet gives you fiber? Who proved it to you that NEED fiber? The idea that fiber=teh goodness is of a piece with the "heart-healthy whole-grain" stuff. It's bad pseudo-science. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 15 2010,15:18
(thibodeaux @ Dec. 15 2010,18:14) QUOTE (GORDON @ Dec. 15 2010,15:04) QUOTE And out of curiosity, Thib, what do you have against cardio? Cardio is stupid. It's damaging to your body and it's a timesuck. Damaging to your body? Explain. Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 15 2010,15:23
I updated my post a bit, but read this:< http://www.marksdailyapple.com/case-against-cardio/ > Posted by GORDON on Dec. 15 2010,15:34
(thibodeaux @ Dec. 15 2010,18:23) QUOTE I updated my post a bit, but read this: < http://www.marksdailyapple.com/case-against-cardio/ > QUOTE The first signal I had that something was wrong was when I developed debilitating osteoarthritis in my ankles…at age 28. This was soon coupled with chronic hip tendonitis and nagging recurrent upper respiratory tract infections. In retrospect, it is clear now that my carbohydrate-fueled high-intensity aerobic lifestyle was promoting a dangerous level of continuous systemic inflammation, was severely suppressing other parts of my immune system and the increased oxidative damage was generally tearing apart my precious muscle and joint tissue. He has other problems besides cardio... the ridiculous amount he seemed to do. Sounds like he had a stupid shitty diet too, I bet he was taking a bunch of supplements instead of real food. Some people just aren't built to handle that level of activity. A lot of Marines get discharged for bad knees within their first 4 year contract, for example. So this is one guy saying cardio is bad, vs. decades of research that says otherwise.... I aint convinced, yet. And for an anecdote, 20 minutes on the elliptical machine gets my heart rate gong, is low impact and wouldn't cause the problems the above guy had, and improves my "wind." Maybe we are living in a post-physical society, but I don't like getting winded when I go out to weed the garden. If I would never exercise, that's what happens. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 15 2010,15:42
QUOTE Bottom line: Fats and ATP were the two primary energy sources for locomotion: we either moved slowly and steadily or “fight or flight” fast, and we became stronger and healthier the more we used only those energy systems. That is incorrect. ATP is the only thing cells/mitochondria use for energy. QUOTE The stress of high intensity training was also leaving me soaking in my own internal cortisol (stress hormone) bath. It wasn’t so clear to me at the time exactly what was happening – in fact it was quite confusing, since I was doing so much of this so-called “healthy” aerobic exercise – but I had no choice but to give up racing, unable to train at anywhere near the intensity required to stay at an elite level. He burned himself out and doesn't understand how since he's such an awesome person, so he must have been lied to about exercise. :-D Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 15 2010,15:51
Believe what you want. I'd rather spend 20 minutes a week lifting weights and get bigger and stronger, vs. spending several hours a week for less results.It also cures getting winded. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 15 2010,15:58
It's cool and everything, but really... one guy? Is there any actual research into what he says? Does anyone who isn't you agree with him? Not that CONSENSUS matters, but at least in this case there isn't any research grant money tied up with proving cardio is bad.What does lifting weights for 20 minutes a week enable you to do? I assume you aren't running any marathons any time soon. Actually, my diet thread is getting derailed. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 15 2010,16:06
Welp, never mind. Finally got to the bottom of the article:QUOTE Knowing what we know about our hunter-gatherer ancestors and the DNA blueprint, we would ideally devise an aerobics plan that would have us walking or hiking several hours a day to maximize our true fat-burning systems and then doing intermittent “life or death” sprints every few days to generate those growth spurts that create stronger, leaner muscle. However, since allocating a few hours a day to this pursuit is impractical for most people, we can still create a plan that has a fair amount of low level aerobic movement, such as walking briskly, hiking, cycling at a moderate pace, etc a few times a week and keep it at under an hour. Then, we can add a few intense “interval” sessions, where we literally sprint (or cycle or do anything intensely) for 20, 30 or 40 seconds at a time all out, and do this once or twice a week. And that's what I do. With a little weight training thrown in because that just feels good. Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 15 2010,16:41
(GORDON @ Dec. 15 2010,18:58) QUOTE It's cool and everything, but really... one guy? Is there any actual research into what he says? Does anyone who isn't you agree with him? Not that CONSENSUS matters, but at least in this case there isn't any research grant money tied up with proving cardio is bad. Yes, there is a pretty good consensus in the paleo community that cardio---in the sense of stuff like running on the treadmill for hours a week---is bad. It's not just one guy. There's probably research to back it up, but I don't really know or care. Most of what passes for science these days is BS, mainly due to the grant money. The fact is that if you jog, you're gonna get injured. If you're just walking, great. That's not going to hurt you. But there's no substitute for strength training. Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 15 2010,19:47
I still fit through the door.Progress! Posted by Leisher on Dec. 15 2010,20:39
I think Thib is more right than wrong on cardio. I remember seeing something about new theories that too much cardio actually overworks the heart. Perhaps that's what happened to Jim Fixx. Apparently, you can't sit still forever, nor can you run forever, as both are bad for your heart. Moderation. That's why I'm skeptical of any diets where you eliminate something (like Adkins). It always seems like the healthiest choice lies somewhere in the middle. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 15 2010,22:00
Just look at marathoners in their 30s and 40s. Ick.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 15 2010,23:42
If the human species had needed to evolve to run dozens of miles on a frequent basis, our anatomy would look LOTS different. Selection favoured something else for a reason, I'd wager. On the other hand, being completely sedentary will kill your ass.
Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 16 2010,05:18
(Leisher @ Dec. 15 2010,23:39) QUOTE That's why I'm skeptical of any diets where you eliminate something (like Adkins). It always seems like the healthiest choice lies somewhere in the middle. Except humans didn't eat grains until very recently (historically speaking). Some groups didn't eat them until modern times, after contact with Western civ. Some groups still don't eat them. Grains are CLEARLY unhealthy and unnecessary. Why is it the "healthiest choice" to eat them? The middle between "right" (no grains) and "disastrously wrong" (lots of grains) is still wrong. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2010,05:25
Civilization first rose in Mesopotamia approx 10k years ago with the advent of agriculture, when one person could then feed two, leaving one person free to do something besides gathering food all day. I always assumed they were farming grains, though I guess I don't know for certain right at this moment.Civilization in China was certainly founded on millet... as far as what my Ancient Civ prof told me 20 years ago. SO..... geologically and evolutionarily speaking, 10k years ago is a blink, but it is the entirety of human history, strictly speaking. I really should stop discussing this because I honestly don't care. :-D Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 16 2010,05:50
(GORDON @ Dec. 16 2010,08:25) QUOTE Civilization first rose in Mesopotamia approx 10k years ago with the advent of agriculture, when one person could then feed two, leaving one person free to do something besides gathering food all day. I always assumed they were farming grains, though I guess I don't know for certain right at this moment. Civilization in China was certainly founded on millet... as far as what my Ancient Civ prof told me 20 years ago. SO..... geologically and evolutionarily speaking, 10k years ago is a blink, but it is the entirety of human history, strictly speaking. Yes, it's the entirety of RECORDED human history, but anatomically modern humans have been around 200k years. And yes, agriculture is what made civilization, but if you look at the bones of the people that adopted it, vs. the bones of their contemporaneous hunter-gatherer neighbors, the farmers were smaller and sicker. Can people eat grains and survive, even flourish? Of course; it's obvious. Should YOU eat grains? No, not if you want to be the healthiest you can be. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 16 2010,06:47
Or... just grow a gizzard.
Posted by TPRJones on Dec. 16 2010,07:48
Mmmmm ... I think I'll have fried gizzards for lunch ...
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2010,07:58
On King of the Hill last night the family went to a BBQ place.... Peggy was loving the hush puppies... made me want to go to Memphis SO BAD.Actually had a talk with the wife to check the feasibility of me and my son popping down there for a few days after xmas. Turns out it is either Memphis, or more lumber for the basement project. Sigh. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 16 2010,07:59
(TheCatt @ Dec. 16 2010,09:47) QUOTE Or... just grow a gizzard. People don't need a gizzard, they have molars that are already designed to chew grains. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 16 2010,09:18
I'm going to my favorite NC barbq place this weekend... best hushpuppies evar.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 16 2010,09:19
(GORDON @ Dec. 16 2010,10:58) QUOTE Actually had a talk with the wife to check the feasibility of me and my son popping down there for a few days after xmas. Turns out it is either Memphis, or more lumber for the basement project. Sigh. I guess we know who controls the purse strings. Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 16 2010,13:00
(Leisher @ Dec. 15 2010,14:23) QUOTE I cannot remember the source, I think it was a network morning news show, but the whole eating all day thing was confirmed to help your metabolism. I remember it not being "the key" or end all be all of dieting, but it was proven to have some effect. I may be completely wrong, but I swear I just saw something about that. The reason it's in my head is because I came up with this eat every two hours thing on my own 2 years ago when I lost 30 pounds in 30 days doing this diet and Wii Fit. I remember thinking the report was validation of my methods. < Resting energy expenditure in short-term starvation is increased as a result of an increase in serum norepinephrine > Your metabolic rate INCREASES with fasting. Posted by unkbill on Dec. 16 2010,13:09
(thibodeaux @ Dec. 16 2010,05:50) QUOTE (GORDON @ Dec. 16 2010,08:25) QUOTE Civilization first rose in Mesopotamia approx 10k years ago with the advent of agriculture, when one person could then feed two, leaving one person free to do something besides gathering food all day. I always assumed they were farming grains, though I guess I don't know for certain right at this moment. Civilization in China was certainly founded on millet... as far as what my Ancient Civ prof told me 20 years ago. SO..... geologically and evolutionarily speaking, 10k years ago is a blink, but it is the entirety of human history, strictly speaking. Yes, it's the entirety of RECORDED human history, but anatomically modern humans have been around 200k years. And yes, agriculture is what made civilization, but if you look at the bones of the people that adopted it, vs. the bones of their contemporaneous hunter-gatherer neighbors, the farmers were smaller and sicker. Can people eat grains and survive, even flourish? Of course; it's obvious. Should YOU eat grains? No, not if you want to be the healthiest you can be. It has been along time since I read the Adkins book. Part of what I remember about grains was if you grind it very small there is something in the body that can't process it right. If you have to eat bread whole grain bread. Wonder if that parallels sugar. 150 years ago the amount of sugar you would eat a year might be a cup if you had money enough to buy it. Now it is a cup or two a week. Funny how much more diabetes we have now than then. Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 16 2010,13:18
(unkbill @ Dec. 16 2010,16:09) QUOTE It has been along time since I read the Adkins book. Part of what I remember about grains was if you grind it very small there is something in the body that can't process it right. If you have to eat bread whole grain bread. Wonder if that parallels sugar. 150 years ago the amount of sugar you would eat a year might be a cup if you had money enough to buy it. Now it is a cup or two a week. Funny how much more diabetes we have now than then. But you never HAVE to eat bread! Even the whole grains are unhealthy. As for sugar and diabetes: absolutely! Posted by Leisher on Dec. 16 2010,13:46
QUOTE Your metabolic rate INCREASES with fasting. That doesn't disprove that it can also increase with multiple small snacks. Still, you've had some good answers thus far. I think I'm sold enough to give it a shot. What the hell. Three months should be plenty of time to see how well it works. Posted by unkbill on Dec. 16 2010,15:12
(thibodeaux @ Dec. 16 2010,13:18) QUOTE (unkbill @ Dec. 16 2010,16:09) QUOTE It has been along time since I read the Adkins book. Part of what I remember about grains was if you grind it very small there is something in the body that can't process it right. If you have to eat bread whole grain bread. Wonder if that parallels sugar. 150 years ago the amount of sugar you would eat a year might be a cup if you had money enough to buy it. Now it is a cup or two a week. Funny how much more diabetes we have now than then. But you never HAVE to eat bread! Even the whole grains are unhealthy. As for sugar and diabetes: absolutely! As far as I am concerned sugar is a poison. During the holidays and I am weak and eat candy it taste so good but later I feel so much like shit. If we put holidays closer together I might be able to remember this. As for grain. Have to have my piece of toast with my eggs in the morning and I do like the occasional sandwich. Posted by unkbill on Dec. 18 2010,06:15
Hit a brick wall as far as weight loss goes and can't emass enough facts to decide how to handle it.Things I know. This week I started my regiment of walking and lifting weights. I was doing some before but now it is on a schedule. I count my calories as close as possible. I eat around 2000 or less. Most of what I have read I could eat up to 2700 and still lose weight. Things I don't know. If my calorie count is correct is a 700 calorie defficit to much and could make my body hit survival mode. I don't see my exercise putting on that much muscle this quick to nullify my weight lose. Have done alot of reading but can't seem to nail down an answer. Posted by unkbill on Dec. 18 2010,06:36
Just thought of a varible I didn't mention from above. I started an anti-biotec last week. I was having some side effects so the doctor had me quit taking my vitamins. The magnesium and zinc screw up the drug. I try to eat balanced but I know better. I need a supliment you need proper diet to burn fat. Still don't know.
Posted by unkbill on Dec. 23 2010,06:07
Ha Ha I guess the joke was on me. Thought I was doing well. Have been eating between 1800 and 2000 calories a day and I am not ever hungry. That is about 1000 cals less than I need to lose a pound a week. Have been doing alot of reading and I guess that many cals is like me going on a starvation diet. My body has stalled and gone into survival mode. I even gained a few pounds which is hard to take when I was doing the math and knew it was impossible. Sticking to my daily walk but am going to raise the cals. Soemtimes I hate the holidays. Posted by unkbill on Dec. 24 2010,05:55
Well keeping my fingers crossed. Started eating more calories and have started to lose wieght again.
Posted by unkbill on Dec. 29 2010,06:56
How'd people do? I went back to eating around 2600 cals a day and have been losing weight. Pretty sure I should lose enough this week that if I gain some over new years I will still be down from x-mas. ie words less to lose back to be back to my low for the year.Eating all those cals half fucks with my brain. When I was eating 1800 I didn't feel hungry at all. Now I feel like I am cheating or something. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 29 2010,07:07
I have been getting screwed up by all the holiday parties, and they don't even let up until after the new year. Working hard to keep off what I have lost so far (9 pounds).
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 29 2010,07:12
I haven't really tried yet. Right now, I just want some normal people sleep.
Posted by Leisher on Dec. 29 2010,10:40
Yeah, starting before the holidays is always rough. You needed to wait until mid-January.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 30 2010,04:58
Milestone: managed to drop over 10 full pounds.Before tonight's party. And tomorrow night's party. And Saturday's party. Ugh. Posted by unkbill on Dec. 30 2010,05:10
I'm down 10 according to skinyo but I am actually down 14 from deer season. That would be down 41 from last x-mas. Hosting some friends over tonight. Thinking of skipping lunch to offset getting my calories by liquids.
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 30 2010,05:13
Ha. "Liquids."
Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 05 2011,07:51
If you do nothing else, watch this video:< http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4362041487661765149# > It's an hour long, but it's worth it. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 05 2011,07:57
I've been taking in fewer calories than I have been burning. That's the big secret. Can't fail.Down 12 pounds right now, and my appetite is growing smaller. Rarely ravenously hungry any more. Having an easier time ignoring the desire for a big snack at night. My big problem is psychological. My brain equates eating with happiness, and I like my comfort food (I bet this is the major problem for 95% of overweight people). Have a cold right now and all I want to do is scarf down a pound of chicken wings, because that'll make me 'happy.' Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 05 2011,09:04
You didn't watch the video, did you?
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 05 2011,09:06
Dude, I totally watched the whole thing in the 6 minutes between when you posted it and when I said stuff.An hour is a bit of a commitment. I'd love the executive summary. Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 05 2011,09:10
Executive summary: Calories in - calories out is BS.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 05 2011,09:21
All righty.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 05 2011,09:26
Well, my body's been equivalating food with staying awake, mostly carbs and crap with the baby (and baby's reflux, and having a 3week cold).... so I've been eating like shit.But I just made a $100 bet with a co-worker to lose 15% by June 1st, so now there's money on the line. Today: 213.5 lbs goal: 181.5 Posted by GORDON on Jan. 05 2011,09:28
Way easy money.And I weigh less than you at the moment. ;) Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 05 2011,09:31
Let me clarify a bit. There's two hypotheses about why your body gains fat:1. Your body gains fat because you eat too much or don't exercise enough (or both). 2. Your body gains fat because something's wrong with your metabolism, and THAT'S why you eat "too much" or don't exercise. Your body is literally starving because it's shoving energy into fat and not letting you use it. The science is clear: Carbs drive insulin drives fat. Period. Fat is deposited in the presence of insulin, and it's mobilized in the absence of insulin. Eating carbs spikes your insulin. Will you lose weight if you starve yourself? Sure. But you'll not necessarily maintain a healthy body composition. In other words, you will lose muscle and organ tissue. That sure sounds healthy. But hey, at least you won't do something crazy like eliminate a whole "food group." Posted by GORDON on Jan. 05 2011,09:32
Yeah, "eat less/exercise" is just insanity.
Posted by Troy on Jan. 05 2011,09:35
I love that there is a related video called "fire fart"
Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 05 2011,09:43
(GORDON @ Jan. 05 2011,12:32) QUOTE Yeah, "eat less/exercise" is just insanity. It literally is, because it's tried over and over, but doesn't succeed. In the video, Taubes quotes obesity researchers who point this out: eat less and exercise more has does not work. The reason is that it does not address the real problem. The real problem for people whose bodies have too much fat is a metabolic problem. Look, evolutionarily it doesn't make sense that you'd have to count calories to maintain a healthy body composition, since we've only understood calories for maybe a couple hundred years. If your body is healthy, it AUTOMATICALLY regulates your weight and composition, just like it AUTOMATICALLY regulates your body temperature. Duh! So, you know, if you've got a fever, it's because you're too hot, so you should take a cold shower, right? No! Your immune system is creating the fever to fight the infection; the fever is a SYMPTOM of your body being unhealthy. Likewise, too much fat is a SYMPTOM of your body being unhealthy. Treat the disease, not the symptom. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 05 2011,10:36
(GORDON @ Jan. 05 2011,12:28) QUOTE Way easy money. And I weigh less than you at the moment. ;) Well, it's a competition to lose 15%, so we're both trying to lose the same amount. Winner gets $100 * difference in weight loss between us. So if I lose 7.5%, he loses the full 15%, he gets $50, etc. Today's lunch was 3 soft tacos with black beans and refried beans. No cheese, just veggies on the meat. Threw away the tortillas, and ate the rest. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 05 2011,11:27
I had an egg roll and about a cup of white rice (1 cup after cooking). It is becoming my go-to lunch. Much more appetizing than a pre-packaged diet meal.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 11 2011,05:23
As of right now, I am 14.6 pounds down from my starting weight. I think it's been about a month. Half way to the goal.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 13 2011,07:46
I've lost 5 pounds since Monday.I better slow it down and have a whopper combo for lunch. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 13 2011,10:25
Read a sample of the 4 Hour Body book that Thib talked about, and just got done ordering it. Gonna combine it with H.I.I.T., which seems to be like the book's author did. I'll mix in some P90X ab and weight training too. No cardio though, H.I.I.T. will take care of that. Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 15 2011,07:56
I just ate 5 slices of bacon, 5 scrambled eggs, and half a ribeye. Plus probably 8 oz of non-skim milk mixed with heavy cream.
Posted by unkbill on Jan. 23 2011,14:15
You guys ever heard this one about how much water you should drink in a day. Take your body weight divide it in half. That is the number of ounces of water a day to stay hydrated. For me that is 148 oz. Over 2 gallons. Seems like an awful lot. And I'm sure I don't.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 23 2011,15:00
That sounds bogus.On another note, if you only read one more book ever in your whole entire life, read < this one >. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 23 2011,16:12
(unkbill @ Jan. 23 2011,16:15) QUOTE You guys ever heard this one about how much water you should drink in a day. Take your body weight divide it in half. That is the number of ounces of water a day to stay hydrated. For me that is 148 oz. Over 2 gallons. Seems like an awful lot. And I'm sure I don't. Uh, no. That seems like a LOT. You take in quite a bit of water through things you normally ingest (the primary ingredient in pretty much ever liquid you drink is still or carbonated water). I've heard somewhere around 32 fl. oz. per day if you want a hard, fast digit. Drinking excessive amounts (not sure where 2 gallons fits in on that scale) of water can actually cause deficiencies in certain substances in your body due to, well, more water diluting your fluids. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 23 2011,16:27
(unkbill @ Jan. 23 2011,17:15) QUOTE You guys ever heard this one about how much water you should drink in a day. Take your body weight divide it in half. That is the number of ounces of water a day to stay hydrated. For me that is 148 oz. Over 2 gallons. Seems like an awful lot. And I'm sure I don't. I've been on hikes in the Marines where we sweat so much the salt crystals were visible on our camis, but I still don't think we drank 2 gallons of water that day. 1, easily, but not 2. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 23 2011,17:10
If you're running an Ironman out on the Sahara or something, your mileage may vary. But lots of what you sweat out ain't water, so trying to replace it with water isn't the best substitution.
Posted by unkbill on Jan. 24 2011,08:13
(GORDON @ Jan. 23 2011,16:27) QUOTE (unkbill @ Jan. 23 2011,17:15) QUOTE You guys ever heard this one about how much water you should drink in a day. Take your body weight divide it in half. That is the number of ounces of water a day to stay hydrated. For me that is 148 oz. Over 2 gallons. Seems like an awful lot. And I'm sure I don't. I've been on hikes in the Marines where we sweat so much the salt crystals were visible on our camis, but I still don't think we drank 2 gallons of water that day. 1, easily, but not 2. Hell most of my work hats are like that. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 25 2011,08:00
(TheCatt @ Jan. 05 2011,12:26) QUOTE Well, my body's been equivalating food with staying awake, mostly carbs and crap with the baby (and baby's reflux, and having a 3week cold).... so I've been eating like shit. But I just made a $100 bet with a co-worker to lose 15% by June 1st, so now there's money on the line. Today: 213.5 lbs goal: 181.5 OK, I'm getting serious about this now. Current weight (yesterday): 215. Target: 181.5 I'm trying the 4-hour body version of low-carb diet. Though, I have to learn how to make beans. Breakfast: 3 eggs, 6 pieces of bacon, 1 cup low sugar OJ and 1/4 of a banana. (~75 calories from sugar). Needs to be lower, but I dont have the beans/greens yet. Lunch will hopefully be ham, spinach, and beans. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 25 2011,08:41
I fell off the wagon a bit.Was down to 201.something last week, but 1) I usually cheat for a night or two on weekends, and 2) circumstances arose a couple other nights recently where I gave in to temptation. Currently 206. Still down 11 pounds overall, but 5 up from my low. Getting tired of dieting... may have to just gird my loins and hit my 190 goal in the next couple weeks. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 26 2011,10:28
Yesterday:Breakfast: 3 eggs, 6 pieces of bacon, 1 cup low sugar OJ and 1/4 of a banana. Lunch: 1/2 lb of ham, bowl of raw spinach, 1 can of pinto beans, refried. Dinner: 600 calories beef/broccoli. Got hungry, so ate 2 tbsp of peanut butter. Still felt like I was missing "something" in each meal... prolly cuz I normally eat a fair amt of carbs, and some ice cream/candy each day. Today: Breakfast: 3 eggs; 1/2 package of bacon; 1 cup low sugar OJ, 1/2 banana. Still feeling full. Have not been hungry enough to get lunch. Less of that "should be eating something" feeling that I had yesterday, so far. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 26 2011,10:41
At 204.0, right f'ing now. Should be 202ish in the morning.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 26 2011,10:54
(GORDON @ Jan. 26 2011,13:41) QUOTE At 204.0, right f'ing now. Should be 202ish in the morning. 214. Goal is 2 lbs / week. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 26 2011,16:06
Weird side effect of this diet: I have cut waaaay down on sugar, like a 95% cut. It makes me tired earlier. I am actually sleeping normal hours. I used to think I was a night owl, not falling asleep before 2, getting 5 or 6 hours, and suffering through the day sucking down more sugar and caffeine to stay awake. Now, on days I don't cheat on the diet, I can hardly make it to 11:30, I am getting the 7 hours of sleep I need, and I don't need sugar all day.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 27 2011,05:35
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Posted by GORDON on Jan. 27 2011,05:39
(thibodeaux @ Jan. 27 2011,08:35) QUOTE < http://youarenotsosmart.files.wordpress.com/2010....e11.gif > Funny you should post that, I was second guessing my own statement last night. Instead of sugar I am using Truvia. Zero calorie sweetener. Last night at about 7:30 I made some tea, Earl Gray, hot, to sip while I watched Eureka. I couldn't get to sleep until after midnight. So I think caffeine may be a factor, too. I used to drink almost half a gallon of iced sweet tea at dinner at 6pm, maybe the caffeine was keeping me up half the night. I have also cut way down on the soft drinks, so less sugar and caffeine there. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 27 2011,06:49
Yeah, the yanss article on caffeine really rang a bell with a lot of people I know. they wake up nearly dead, then get a super-tall-hyper-espresso-starbucks, and are human again. rinse repeat.I'm down to 3 diet cokes a day from a peak of 5. enough caffeine that it feels good in the morning, but not so much that i feel dead every morning. I'd like to get back down to 2. Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 27 2011,07:28
Last January, I stopped drinking sodas. That lasted until the summer, when I started playing music again. I'd have a Saturday night gig, get home at 3am or so. My body would naturally wake up at around 8am (durn kids). But I was wiped out by noon and would just lay on the couch.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 27 2011,07:47
(TheCatt @ Jan. 26 2011,13:54) QUOTE (GORDON @ Jan. 26 2011,13:41) QUOTE At 204.0, right f'ing now. Should be 202ish in the morning. 214. Goal is 2 lbs / week. 212 today. When I did the Atkins diet in the past, I had horrible energy, bad mood, and headaches. The beans REALLY seem to be helping with that. I haven't felt crappy, nor have I felt hungry, and I'm already getting past that "sweet fix" I used to need a lot. The real test will be weekends. But after this weekend, I'm going to try the 1x/week cheat day like the book does. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 27 2011,07:53
Weekends are what kill me. I'll lose 5 pounds during the week then gain 4 back when I pig out on pizza on Saturday night.
Posted by Cakedaddy on Jan. 27 2011,08:59
Ok, I'm finally getting started. Lacrosse started and I'm working out again. I don't have a special diet. I just try to eat less and somewhat better. Still at 210, target, 195, maybe 190. Below 190, I'm too skinny. (except for my gut. Can never get rid of my gut.)
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 27 2011,09:01
203.4 this morning. Wife made cookies last night and hey... raw cookie dough.She isn't helping me diet. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 29 2011,08:13
Back to 201.2... where I was before I went to Cleveland for 2 days and ate too much. I think the night I ate ribs and bbq chicken and washed it down with 4 beers was probably the main culprit.If tonight wasn't pizza night I would drop under 200 this weekend... but alas. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 31 2011,06:41
211 today, so 4 pounds in the first week, no doubt some of that is water, so we'll see how things go from here out.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 02 2011,08:57
Down to 200.0 this morning.... if I can manage to stay on-diet today, tomorrow morning will be a milestone.Had a black bean burrito (burrito con frijoles negro) for brunch. Those damned tortillas are 210 calories, but I kept it light on the beans. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 02 2011,09:11
You could always go shovel snow for a couple hours to be sure.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 02 2011,09:17
Ha, actually heading out to do that in a few. Cept with a snow blower. Same thing, right?
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 02 2011,09:38
(GORDON @ Feb. 02 2011,11:17) QUOTE Ha, actually heading out to do that in a few. Cept with a snow blower. Same thing, right? In terms of snow removal, sure. Posted by unkbill on Feb. 02 2011,12:59
(Malcolm @ Feb. 02 2011,09:11) QUOTE You could always go shovel snow for a couple hours to be sure. Only took me an hour to bring in wood and shovel around vehicles and sidwalks. Of course I cheated and talk to a friend with a snow plow on his truck yesterday. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 03 2011,08:12
(GORDON @ Feb. 02 2011,11:57) QUOTE Down to 200.0 this morning.... if I can manage to stay on-diet today, tomorrow morning will be a milestone. Stuck to the diet, yesterday. Was active, wasn't sitting on my ass all day. Almost got on last night to brag how disciplined I'd been, and how tomorrow morning I would be under 200 pounds. This morning: 200.4 pounds. What the fuck. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 03 2011,08:42
Just curiosity, are you doing "first thing in the morning weight" or later? I always do mine post-breakfast... I realized that pre-breakfast I weight about 1.5lbs less. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 03 2011,08:44
(GORDON @ Feb. 03 2011,10:12) QUOTE (GORDON @ Feb. 02 2011,11:57) QUOTE Down to 200.0 this morning.... if I can manage to stay on-diet today, tomorrow morning will be a milestone. Stuck to the diet, yesterday. Was active, wasn't sitting on my ass all day. Almost got on last night to brag how disciplined I'd been, and how tomorrow morning I would be under 200 pounds. This morning: 200.4 pounds. What the fuck. Ever think of just tossing away the scale if it's causing your so much pain in the ass-edness? Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 03 2011,08:50
Your actual weight isn't as meaningful without knowledge of your body-fat-%age.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 03 2011,08:59
(thibodeaux @ Feb. 03 2011,11:50) QUOTE Your actual weight isn't as meaningful without knowledge of your body-fat-%age. I have a semi-fancy Tanita scale that includes body fat. In the past week, I've lost 0.5% body fat according to it. But it kinda varies, so trends over time are more meaningful. My current % is kinda embarrassing: 28.2. Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 03 2011,09:07
I've got one, too, and I'm not sure how accurate those things are. Especially in the winter when your skin's dry.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 03 2011,09:09
(thibodeaux @ Feb. 03 2011,12:07) QUOTE I've got one, too, and I'm not sure how accurate those things are. Especially in the winter when your skin's dry. So what's your #? Like 7%? Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 03 2011,09:46
That's why I'm not sure how accurate it is. ![]() It also reports % of water, and my water + fat is like 70%. So when I was 11% fat, my water was 69%. Now that it says 13% fat, my water is 67%. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 03 2011,15:24
That seems high for you, I would have guessed 7-10%.Does your pee smell awful? I haven't been eating the beans/carbs as much lately, and my pee was awful today. Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 03 2011,20:02
I don't really smell my pee, thanks. It's too far away.
Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 03 2011,20:03
(TheCatt @ Feb. 03 2011,18:24) QUOTE That seems high for you, I would have guessed 7-10%. Yeah, I know, right??? Posted by unkbill on Feb. 04 2011,07:51
(TheCatt @ Feb. 03 2011,15:24) QUOTE Does your pee smell awful? I haven't been eating the beans/carbs as much lately, and my pee was awful today. •Vitamin B6 supplements •Asparagus - may turn urine green color with odor. •Diabetes •Diabetic ketoacidosis •Bacterial kidney infection •Bacterial bladder infection •Cystitis •Kidney calculus Add to the list STDs and infections in the notherregions. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 04 2011,08:01
Yeah, ketosis is normally what makes the awful smell in people eating lowing carb diets, thus why I asked Thib about his.I dont see brussel sprouts on the list, that was the only thing I dont normally eat that I ate yesterday. This morning, wake up weight, was 207. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 06 2011,07:03
208 yesterday morning.Yesterday was cheat day. I cheated with donuts. I have never felt so awful from something so tasty. I wanted to have my stomach pumped. I felt like a 14 yo boy who's dad had caught him smoking a cigarette and made the boy smoke a carton. Ugh. 208 this morning too. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 06 2011,07:27
Funny.A couple days ago I texted the wife - "I can't take it, I am going to pig out on bar food." A little later she asked if I did. I responded, "Yes, and now I feel shame." Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 06 2011,07:39
(TheCatt @ Feb. 06 2011,10:03) QUOTE Yesterday was cheat day. I cheated with donuts. I have never felt so awful from something so tasty. I wanted to have my stomach pumped It's weird, ain't it? Go low-carb long enough, and carrots start to taste like candy. Did you run the 4 miles to get the donuts or what? It was pouring rain, and I felt bad for those people. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 06 2011,08:07
Oh, was the Krispy Kreme run yesterday?Nah... but I did walk to the library and back, which is a little under 1 mile each way. So, so far in just under 2 weeks, I've lost 7 pounds. No exercise at this point, cept doing pull-ups to failure every few days. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 15 2011,05:00
(TheCatt @ Feb. 06 2011,10:03) QUOTE 208 this morning too. 206 this morning. I was 208 almost every morning last week. I finally cut out the glass of half sugar OJ a few days ago. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 15 2011,06:36
Took a break from the dieting; floating between 203-204. Still want to hit 190, just to prove that I can. Will start up again in a day or 3.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 15 2011,07:43
I'll be honest, this eat all you want meat/veggies stuff works pretty well. The beans have pretty much prevented all the issues I had previously with cutting out carbs, and my sugar cravings are gone.I rarely feel hungry, and only eat when I feel hungry. Sunday I only ate breakfast and dinner, cuz that's all I was hungry for. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 21 2011,09:05
(TheCatt @ Feb. 15 2011,08:00) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Feb. 06 2011,10:03) QUOTE 208 this morning too. 206 this morning. I was 208 almost every morning last week. I finally cut out the glass of half sugar OJ a few days ago. 204 this morning (down from 215) 26.5% body fat (down from 29%) Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 05 2011,06:24
202 this morning. Weight loss is slowing down.
Posted by Alhazad on Mar. 10 2011,20:09
Stuck at 204, can't be fucked to exercise and my bike got stolen; need a gimmick.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 10 2011,20:13
Gimmick? Amputation takes off weight pretty fast.
Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 18 2011,16:02
I'm trying to lose a few points of body fat, so I'm going to try keeping calories under 3,000 per day. For example, for lunch I cut back from 6 eggs to 5, and switched to bacon instead of sausage.
Posted by Vince on Mar. 19 2011,03:09
Jeez… I’m gone for a while and when I get back everyone’s talking about feeling bloated and cramping and their cycles and shit.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 19 2011,11:27
(Alhazad @ Mar. 10 2011,22:09) QUOTE Stuck at 204, can't be fucked to exercise and my bike got stolen; need a gimmick. Thought of tracking down the fuckers that stole your bike? Posted by Alhazad on Apr. 14 2011,14:45
(Malcolm @ Mar. 19 2011,11:27) QUOTE (Alhazad @ Mar. 10 2011,22:09) QUOTE Stuck at 204, can't be fucked to exercise and my bike got stolen; need a gimmick. Thought of tracking down the fuckers that stole your bike? $70 P.O.S., not worth it. The good news is that the actual gear teeth in the fork were about to strip completely so it was going to become worthless anyway. Same thing happened last time, got stolen just when the crank arm started to get stripped. Ahahah. Also I managed to get down to ~196. Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 06 2011,11:35
Well, I hope yall did better than I did. I got sick, then between too much work, eating, and the kids, am worse than I started.
Posted by GORDON on Jul. 06 2011,12:05
I don't want to talk about it.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 06 2011,12:16
I haven't ever started yet. I begin in about two-three weeks when I'm finally into my house and can hang up my heavy bag.
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 06 2011,12:29
If anyone wants to make a bet/contest out of it, let me know.
Posted by thibodeaux on Jul. 06 2011,12:33
Got down to under 11% bodyfat before my mid-June vacation, but up a little since then because, you know, ice cream and stuff.This past weekend I ran a 5k to see if I could still do it. I haven't done distance running AT ALL in about 2 or 3 years; only sprints, and I haven't done any of those in almost a year. My time was 27:30. I didn't have much left in the tank at the end; probably shouldn't have run fasted. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 06 2011,12:49
QUOTE If anyone wants to make a bet/contest out of it, let me know. Possible. I'm going to do the 4 hour body diet and mix it with HIIT. If all goes according to plan, I move in at the end of this month, so we could set an August 1st start date. How long do you want to make the bet last? I have a goal of looking good by September 22nd. (Not ripped or anything, that's impossible. Just better than I look now.) What kind of stakes? Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 06 2011,13:04
I dunno, I started today though ![]() Posted by GORDON on Jul. 06 2011,13:13
I've been slowly reducing my (lunch) portions again, but haven't done any weigh-ins.I am afraid of what it would say. Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 06 2011,13:43
Today I've had:3 scrambled eggs + 4 pieces of bacon 1 turkey + bacon sandwich (with lettuce as the bread). According to the Internet, that sandwich (from Jimmy Johns) was 223 calories, which explains why I feel hungry. The normal sandwich is 700+, but without bread/mayo... wow. Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 07 2011,08:07
Felt hazy and headachy yesterday, as I think I always do when I stop eating carbs, but made it through the day. Still feeling a bit out of it.
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 08 2011,06:48
Calories.Was reading Men's Health last night, and it had the following: % of calories consumed that are absorbed: Fat: 95-99% Carbs: 95% Protein: 70-80% % of calories blocked by fiber: Up to 20% So basically, if you eat a high-fiber, high-protein, high-fat diet, you should absorb many fewer calories than SAD (standard american diet). This matches well with the 4-hour body diet (Which is basically veggies, meat, and beans). On day 3, have already dropped a few pounds that I assume are water weight, but feels good to see the scale go down. Day 1 was rough due to almost no carbs (ate some peanut butter with dinner). Day 2 was better as I had beans with lunch and dinner. Posted by Leisher on Jul. 10 2011,00:14
I've got about 2 weeks to figure out what diet/exercise program I'm going to do, I'm leaning towards the 4 hour body 30 day diet for 60 days along with Insanity, which is a 60 day program.
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 10 2011,06:45
Let me know how that works for you. I'm not doing much working out right now (having knee problems the past several months), but I tried doing some push-ups the other day, and felt like there was no energy in me.
Posted by Leisher on Jul. 10 2011,11:34
Are you implying the diet sapped your energy?I'm really debating the Insanity part. The wife made a good point to me today when I brought it up. She said that I'll do it and look great, but when I stop I'll put all the weight back on plus some, which is what usually happens to folks who do these very effective weight loss programs. So instead, I might just do the diet, plus a lower exercise program like situps, pushups, and some time on the exercise bike. Not sure yet. Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 10 2011,11:37
(Leisher @ Jul. 10 2011,14:34) QUOTE Are you implying the diet sapped your energy? I'm really debating the Insanity part. The wife made a good point to me today when I brought it up. She said that I'll do it and look great, but when I stop I'll put all the weight back on plus some, which is what usually happens to folks who do these very effective weight loss programs. So instead, I might just do the diet, plus a lower exercise program like situps, pushups, and some time on the exercise bike. Not sure yet. Yes. I'm probably not eating enough beans/veggies for carbs. And I'm not doing the post-workout meals that he ate (which had a lot more carbs) cuz I'm not working out. Posted by Troy on Jul. 10 2011,13:26
Been on the road a lot for work, but have cut drinking any sort of beverage with sugar from my diet, and have been ordering lots of salads.Down to about 180, which for me is pretty skinny. Wedding shape baby. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 10 2011,14:47
(Troy @ Jul. 10 2011,16:26) QUOTE Been on the road a lot for work, but have cut drinking any sort of beverage with sugar from my diet, and have been ordering lots of salads. Down to about 180, which for me is pretty skinny. Wedding shape baby. You'll look great in your dress. Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 10 2011,15:10
Lunch today was several ounces of bbq, a big spinach salad, some beans and some carrots.I have to use salad dressing with the salad, but the once I use is primarily fat, but some sugar. Posted by GORDON on Jul. 10 2011,16:55
I find I can accept fat-free Ranch from Hidden Valley and fat-free Catalina from Kraft.
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 11 2011,07:56
(GORDON @ Jul. 10 2011,19:55) QUOTE I find I can accept fat-free Ranch from Hidden Valley and fat-free Catalina from Kraft. Those generally have too much sugar/carbs for me. Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 13 2011,06:18
Week 1 results: 5 pounds dropped.Energy has stabilized, making sure I eat enough beans, and adding a 100-calorie (5g fiber) whole wheat bread thing to my breakfast has worked wonders in keeping me from being hungry. I'm also taking supplemental fiber with many meals to see if that helps keep food moving along. Posted by Alhazad on Jul. 17 2011,00:15
I can't find my scale.I'm guessing still 200-205 based on visual observation of my lower fatso region. Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 25 2011,06:40
Well, if anyone wants to do a competition, let me know. I need to get in shape, and I keep failing.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 25 2011,09:43
QUOTE Well, if anyone wants to do a competition, let me know. I need to get in shape, and I keep failing. I'm in. I simply haven't had the time to get started, and I want something to force me to make time. Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 25 2011,09:46
(Leisher @ Aug. 25 2011,12:43) QUOTE QUOTE Well, if anyone wants to do a competition, let me know. I need to get in shape, and I keep failing. I'm in. I simply haven't had the time to get started, and I want something to force me to make time. September first? How much (%age wise) are you looking to lose? I'm gunning for 20%, but willing to do a competition to that or anything lower. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 25 2011,11:19
How about Monday the 29th? That gives us a full week and two weekends to eat terribly before starting a full diet and exercise program.I'm thinking of a specific weight as a goal, but I think it falls within 15%-20% of my current weight (I'm not 100% on what I currently weigh). By the way, will there be a wager or any other sort of carrot? Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 25 2011,11:20
29th is 4 days away, not full week + 2 wkends. Just 1 wkend by my math.I was thinking % to make it comparable between people. If I'm bigger, it'd be easier for me to lose 10 pounds than for you, in theory, since it's a smaller % of my weight. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 25 2011,11:28
Fuck me am I stressed out. You're right. The first is fine. I'll have to weigh myself and get the exact percentage I want to drop. What's the target date? Posted by GORDON on Aug. 25 2011,11:30
I am going on a cruise in mid-September. Not a good time to go on a diet.
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 18 2011,10:09
OK, I still need to lose weight, target of 20%. Let me know if anyone else is interested.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 18 2011,10:31
I am still interested.
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 18 2011,10:41
OK... I also bet someone in my office, 20%, $100.The rules are: We each have until a certain date. At that time, the winner gets the pro-rated amount of the $100 based on weight loss. Examples: 1) Both people lose 20% by date, no one wins $. 2) One person loses 20%, other loses 15%. Since the goal was 20%, each 1% = $5 (100/20). So the difference (20-15) * 5 = 25. My current bet is for 5/30 (so plenty of time for next summer + ability to slack for a holiday/birthday if you wanted). Posted by Leisher on Oct. 18 2011,13:38
Good bet. I was shooting for the same time frame (right before Memorial Day weekend).
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 18 2011,14:10
Well, let me know if you are interested in doing the same, then. Or, target the Wednesday before since that's prior to Memorial Day.Weigh-ins, I assume underwear only or such? (At work we weigh-in clothed, for obvious reasons) Posted by Leisher on Oct. 19 2011,07:26
I am interested in getting a bet on, but I don't know if $100 will motive me. I might have to put more on the line. Actually you could weigh yourself naked if you want. It's not like we're streaming the weigh in live. Plus, we're on the honor system, so it'll just be a more honest result for yourself. By the way, I'm looking at around 15% as a goal. So instead of percentages, should be just put the bet on hitting your goal weight? Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 19 2011,14:58
I figured percentages would be fairer since it means losing the same relative amount, like Biggest Loser. But if you only want to lose 15, and I want to lose 20, then clearly I have more to lose. I'm not sure what would be "fair" to each other in that regard. And I just got back from the state fair, so I probably need to lose more now ![]() Posted by GORDON on Jan. 10 2012,09:12
Back on this February. I am dieting all month... because it is the shortest month, of course.I am calling it POUND A DAY FEBRUAR-AY. See, it rhymes. Also I am stopping Feb 28 and eating on the 29th because that Leap Year day is bullshit. Yes, goal is a pound a day. Will be difficult on the 4th when there is going to be a really good dinner with an open bar. Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 10 2012,09:29
I'm trying < leangains >. This is a kind of "cycling" diet, with carb re-feeds on lift days.I tell ya, it's HARD for me to eat even 100g of carbs in a given day. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 10 2012,12:00
(thibodeaux @ Jan. 10 2012,12:29) QUOTE I'm trying < leangains >. This is a kind of "cycling" diet, with carb re-feeds on lift days. I tell ya, it's HARD for me to eat even 100g of carbs in a given day. Can you summarize his stuff , or does he have a concise summary of what the plan is? nm, found < this > and < this > Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 10 2012,12:09
- Intermittent fasting: 16 hour fast, 8 hour feeding window (I just skip breakfast)- eat a lot of protein - heavy compound lifts (like Big Five: squat, deadlift, bench, pullups, etc), 3 days a week - +20% maintenance calories on workout days, -20% maintenance on non-workout days. < http://examine.com/leangains-faq/#summary4 > Eating +20% maintenance calories is also a challenge sometimes, believe it or not. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 10 2012,12:12
He needs more pics of female clients.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 23 2012,14:17
Well, I'm definitely not in good enough shape for the LeanGains thing.So I'm trying the 100 push-ups workout, and cutting calories to 1800 with some light cardio, and cutting out sugar. Trying for 1/3 of cals from carbs/protein/fat each. Not doing more til I see the dr (yay rheumatoid arthritis) Did 19 push-ups on the test day. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 26 2012,10:13
(GORDON @ Jan. 10 2012,12:12) QUOTE Back on this February. I am dieting all month... because it is the shortest month, of course. I am calling it POUND A DAY FEBRUAR-AY. See, it rhymes. Yes, goal is a pound a day. Will be difficult on the 4th when there is going to be a really good dinner with an open bar. I don't really see how this is possible without losing significant amounts of lean mass. Are you using body fat measurements as well to check? I'm doing well on the 33/33/33 ratio I've been using for food. Sugar cravings have been minimal, food cravings have been minimal. Hardest time for me is right around 5pm (get home from work, not yet dinner time, used to have a small bit of candy to tide me over). Lost 5 pounds so far, I assume primarily the "emptying out" since my start weight was on a day I ate way too much and also decreased carbs/sugar/water retention. Only 46 more to go. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 31 2012,06:29
Diet starts tomorrow. I will probably be way more pissy and on-the-rag than usual.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 31 2012,06:30
10 days in, 9 pounds lost, 42 to go (yeah, that doesn't mesh with the 46 to go above; Re-calibrated target).The change of diet has been going fine. Food/sugar cravings are nearly gone. Although man, donuts still sound good. Have done 3 days of the 100 pushups program, up to about 50/day, today is day 4. Oh, and I bought a bike (Trek 7.2FX). It's a hybrid/road bike so in theory I could bike to work, etc (work is 5.5 miles from home) some day if I get fit enough. And also cut out pizza and fried foods almost completely. Had a cold the past few days, but was able to stick to it. Exercise is currently about 1-2 miles of walking per days, plus the pushups and stationary bike a few times a week. Posted by thibodeaux on Jan. 31 2012,07:48
(TheCatt @ Jan. 31 2012,09:30) QUOTE Oh, and I bought a bike (Trek 7.2FX). It's a hybrid/road bike so in theory I could bike to work, etc (work is 5.5 miles from home) some day if I get fit enough. If you wanna commit suicide, try pills first, man. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 31 2012,08:37
It has to look unintentional, or else my family won't get all the insurance money.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2012,04:38
Initial weigh in: 226.6 pounds of disgusting fatbody.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2012,08:22
First meal of the no-carb/lotsa protein diet, 3.5 boiled eggs, half pound of bacon, 1 raw tomato.Sure doesn't feel like I am losing weight yet. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 01 2012,09:04
(GORDON @ Feb. 01 2012,11:22) QUOTE First meal of the no-carb/lotsa protein diet, 3.5 boiled eggs, half pound of bacon, 1 raw tomato. Sure doesn't feel like I am losing weight yet. Going Atkins? (Adkins? Atkins, whatevar) Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 01 2012,09:21
(GORDON @ Feb. 01 2012,11:22) QUOTE Sure doesn't feel like I am losing weight yet. If you don't have some way to measure body-fat %, I'd recommend you get one. You can get some calipers pretty cheap on Amazon. We have a scale that measures it using science or something. You could use SAD as a proxy as well (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittal_Abdominal_Diameter). Basically you want to track your body composition, not just your weight, especially if you plan to ramp up the exercise. Because muscle is denser than fat, you could lose fat and gain muscle, and never get to your weight goal. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2012,09:22
Whatever that system Thib was talking up a while back. Instead of starving myself like I did in the past, I am going to eat lots of meat, and no sugar/bread/potatoes/pasta. We'll see how it goes. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 01 2012,09:26
(GORDON @ Feb. 01 2012,12:22) QUOTE Whatever that system Thib was talking up a while back. Instead of starving myself like I did in the past, I am going to eat lots of meat, and no sugar/bread/potatoes/pasta. We'll see how it goes. Paleo. Good luck. I couldn't do it. The transition off of carbs just killed me. And Thib's right, a body fat scale is a good idea. we have a Tanita. Old enough it's not sold any more, but kinda looks like < this one. >` Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2012,09:30
Doesn't seem TOO difficult for a short term, like the month of February, and I am certainly going to have a couple cheating days in the form of an office party w/open bar, and my wife's birthday and of course she wants an italian restaurant. Those are both this week, but I should be able to put off pizza and hamburger buns and french fries for a few weeks.I just feel sort of.... bloated.... eating all that meat. Maybe the natural scaling back I will do because I am sick of meat will be what loses me the weight, heh. Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 01 2012,09:37
(GORDON @ Feb. 01 2012,12:30) QUOTE Maybe the natural scaling back I will do because I am sick of meat will be what loses me the weight, heh. Some people believe that is a large component of it. And in fact, before I started doing this, it was pretty common for me to eat myself sick on pizza, or cookies, or whatever. That doesn't happen anymore (also, I don't have heartburn, either), and it could very well be that at some point, your body just doesn't want anymore protein or fat. I will say that I've never had a "bloated" feeling from eating meat. Carbs, yes, meat no. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2012,09:40
(thibodeaux @ Feb. 01 2012,12:37) QUOTE I will say that I've never had a "bloated" feeling from eating meat. Carbs, yes, meat no. Just Day 1 transition bloat. I don't usually eat that heavy for lunch, but my brain is wired to panic if I don't have like 2 pounds of food on my plate, so that was a lot of meat. There is some mental adjusting to do. Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 01 2012,09:47
(GORDON @ Feb. 01 2012,12:40) QUOTE that was a lot of meat TWSS Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2012,09:49
(thibodeaux @ Feb. 01 2012,12:47) QUOTE (GORDON @ Feb. 01 2012,12:40) QUOTE that was a lot of meat TWSS ![]() Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2012,12:13
Hooboy. Starting to feel the carb crash.
Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 01 2012,12:28
< Maybe I better shut up >
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 01 2012,12:48
(GORDON @ Feb. 01 2012,15:13) QUOTE Hooboy. Starting to feel the carb crash. The first week is the worst. If you can make it past that... it gets a LOT easier. Posted by Troy on Feb. 01 2012,15:22
Mmm... ![]() Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 01 2012,15:24
Banned.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 01 2012,15:52
Know what's weird? The day before he got married, he would play League of Legends with us. We haven't seen in-game since.Coincidence, I am sure. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 02 2012,04:38
223.6 today, which surprised me. 3 pound drop from yesterday, even though I was eating all day.Woke up with the carb crash headache... going to be a fun day. Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 02 2012,05:50
A lot of your weight loss is probably going to be water early on. Drink up.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 02 2012,05:58
Yeah, especially as you deplete your glycogen(?) stores in the muscles. For every g of carbs stored in your muscles, 2g of water (or something like that) are stored with them. So it's pretty easy to lose 5-10 pounds just by dropping carbs in the beginning. Your body is just losing its water/carb stores at this point.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 02 2012,16:35
< Peleo diets food list. >Hey look, it says 12 ounces of beer is ok. I assume 12 ounces a day. Saw on another list that you should limit eggs to 4 a week. Wha? I've had 8 in 2 days. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 03 2012,04:40
Another 2 points lost, and was eating like a caveman all day. Also had a beer last night which the list said I could do, but I was dubious.....But I had one anyway. 5 pounds lost total after 2. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 08 2012,06:10
7 days in, 6 pounds lost. A pound behind my goal. Have 21 days to go.It is very difficult not eating pizza and hamburgers and french fries and breaded chicken chunks and hashed browns. Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 08 2012,06:55
I think of it like this: would you rather be the hunter or the prey? Prey eat plants all day long. Hunters fast while they hunt, then they feast on some juicy fat meat.Be a hunter. Look at those fangs and claws. You're a killer. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 08 2012,07:15
I do love rendering some red bloody flesh with my teeth.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 08 2012,07:34
(TheCatt @ Jan. 31 2012,09:30) QUOTE 10 days in, 9 pounds lost, 42 to go (yeah, that doesn't mesh with the 46 to go above; Re-calibrated target). 1.5 pounds lost last 8 days... 40.5 to go. Entering the slow and steady phase, goal 2 lbs/wk. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 08 2012,14:54
< Guy figured out how they fake before and after pictures. >Of course, his could be faked too... Posted by GORDON on Feb. 10 2012,07:08
Had half a bottle of red wine vinegar in the fridge, so I put in an inch of olive oil so I'd have a low-carb topping for salads and veggies and shit.The oil congealed in about 5 days and I was afraid to eat it any more. Was like a paraffin cap on top of the vinegar. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 10 2012,07:35
You put olive oil in the fridge? Yes, it congeals. Let it warm up, and it'll melt.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2012,05:27
This diet is pissing me off.Yesterday I slept a little late, then started doing some things. I was busy so I just skipped lunch. No big deal, I wasn't that hungry anyway. Stayed busy until 5pm. For supper I had 1.5 grilled, skinless chicken breasts that I was dipping in some leftover homemade marinara, and a serving of carrots, and water. Last night I had a big cup of hot tea with 0-calorie sweetener. Today I was a pound heavier than yesterday. And my headache has not really gone away for almost 2 weeks, now. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 13 2012,05:32
My headache never really went away. It got better, but would still be there. I never made it past a month though.I found the 4-hour body diet more tolerable. Similar, but allows beans, which was enough carbs for my body to function better. I lost 3 pounds since last weigh-in. Although, I switched to another pair of jeans that don't require a belt (0.6 lbs), and feel lighter than the other jeans, so that's probably 1 pound of it. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 15 2012,04:55
215.8.15 days in, 10.8 pounds lost. 4.8 since last week. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 15 2012,05:37
Another 1.5 in the past week, 12 total. 39 to go.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 22 2012,07:11
(TheCatt @ Feb. 15 2012,08:37) QUOTE Another 1.5 in the past week, 12 total. 39 to go. Big week, 3.5 pounds down... 15.5 total gone, 33.5 to go. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 22 2012,07:17
.4 down since the last check-in. I cheated over the Weekend of Aint Doing Shit.I plan on another 5 pounds +-1 by the 28th. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 23 2012,17:21
I figured out why I have been so cold the last few days... it is because I am losing the insulating, whale-blubber fat layer.Either that or a brain tumor. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 27 2012,05:22
And then some days just don't make sense when you stick to the diet and wake up 1.6 pounds heavier than you were the day before.My clothes are fitting me again, that's nice. Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 27 2012,05:49
Just wait til you have to buy new clothes, because your current clothes are too big.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 27 2012,06:45
(GORDON @ Feb. 27 2012,08:22) QUOTE My clothes are fitting me again, that's nice. Yes. Going from tight to fitting to belt has been nice. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 27 2012,07:36
I am thinking I will continue this diet beyond February, maybe with a day during the week where I relax and just go to a restaurant or something. I don't like it much but it isn't HORRIBLE not eating hamburger buns, spaghetti, french fried, etc. I'll see if I can tone it down to just losing a pound a week, or so, instead of the 4 pounds/week I have averaged in February.Plus I am still allowed a 12 oz beer every day, and that suits me just fine. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 29 2012,04:40
(GORDON @ Jan. 10 2012,12:12) QUOTE Back on this February. I am dieting all month... because it is the shortest month, of course. I am calling it POUND A DAY FEBRUAR-AY. See, it rhymes. Also I am stopping Feb 28 and eating on the 29th because that Leap Year day is bullshit. Yes, goal is a pound a day. Will be difficult on the 4th when there is going to be a really good dinner with an open bar. As of today, I have officially lost 15 pounds in the month of February by doing nothing more than cutting sugar, potatoes, grains, and dairy out of my diet. Ate a shitload of meat and tomatoes. Cheated 4 times, that I recall, when I just NEEDED pizza. And one night with an open bar. So there we are. Going to a barbecue place tonight. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 29 2012,06:16
(TheCatt @ Feb. 22 2012,10:11) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Feb. 15 2012,08:37) QUOTE Another 1.5 in the past week, 12 total. 39 to go. Big week, 3.5 pounds down... 15.5 total gone, 33.5 to go. 2 more gone, 17.5 total, 31.5 to go. I've basically just stopped eating after dinner, and am only eating when hungry, stopping when full, and biking more. (Biked home from work yesterday, back to work today). Good job, Gordon. Posted by Leisher on Feb. 29 2012,06:18
I'm down 10-15 pounds since the beginning of the year. I'm not 100% sure because the 15 pounds represents my heaviest weight, and the 10 is where I think I was when I began watching what I was eating. My goal is still 23 pounds away, and I want to get there before summer. The problem, however, is that it's Cadbury Creme Egg season... Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 29 2012,06:23
(Leisher @ Feb. 29 2012,09:18) QUOTE The problem, however, is that it's Cadbury Creme Egg season... I know. I saw some in the store the other day, and was sad. Do you think they freeze well? Posted by Leisher on Feb. 29 2012,06:45
QUOTE Do you think they freeze well? I have been known to do that. Although, the center never turns out right. Still delicious though. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 29 2012,07:25
(TheCatt @ Feb. 29 2012,09:16) QUOTE Good job, Gordon. Thanks :-D Posted by GORDON on Feb. 29 2012,07:27
(TheCatt @ Feb. 29 2012,09:23) QUOTE (Leisher @ Feb. 29 2012,09:18) QUOTE The problem, however, is that it's Cadbury Creme Egg season... I know. I saw some in the store the other day, and was sad. Do you think they freeze well? I'm more of a Reeses Peanut Butter Egg man. Have a 6-pack in the fridge, but have actually had the willpower to not sit down and eat them all at once. Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 29 2012,08:11
It's all about the Milka Loffel Ei. But you can't get those in the US anymore.More on topic, I've gotten a pedometer, and am taking a daily baseline of steps walked. After I get a few weeks of baseline, I may consider dong some sort of exercise on purpose. I haven't decided yet. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 29 2012,08:14
(Leisher @ Feb. 29 2012,09:45) QUOTE QUOTE Do you think they freeze well? I have been known to do that. Although, the center never turns out right. Still delicious though. Maybe just putting them in the fridge they'd last a while... I googled this... and apparently people say 2-3 months tops outside of freezing, freezing is "good" forever. Apparently, in McDonalds UK: QUOTE McDonalds Cadbury Creme Egg McFlurry I kinda want. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 29 2012,17:43
(GORDON @ Feb. 29 2012,07:40) QUOTE Going to a barbecue place tonight. I feel bloated and ashamed. Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 29 2012,19:16
Interesting. I can easily eat a pound of BBQ for lunch with no problems. No bread, of course.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 29 2012,19:46
(thibodeaux @ Feb. 29 2012,22:16) QUOTE Interesting. I can easily eat a pound of BBQ for lunch with no problems. No bread, of course. Cornbread. Bun. Some fries. Mac and cheese. Diet is back on tomorrow, heh Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 01 2012,05:33
(GORDON @ Feb. 29 2012,22:46) QUOTE Cornbread. Bun. Some fries. Mac and cheese. That's the shit that's bloating you, not the meat. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 07 2012,04:53
Yesterday for lunch had a big taco salad without chips or cheese.Last night for dinner had a 14oz New York Strip, with 2 tomatoes on the side... and a big serving of black beans and white rice (or, frijoles negro con arroz, as we say in the Latin Kings), and one of my home brews. I was worried the beans and rice would carb load me and shoot my weight up, but I was still a couple pounds down this morning, so yay. I can eat black beans and rice, which I love. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 07 2012,05:24
Down 1 pound this week...In the 4 hour body, the guy eats beans as his only carb, iirc. Says they gave him the energy to keep going, but didn't have the bad effects of other carbs, etc. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 14 2012,05:36
(TheCatt @ Mar. 07 2012,08:24) QUOTE Down 1 pound this week... 3 pounds down this week, although I biked in to work, so may be a little dehydrated. 21.4 lost, 27.60 to go. Goal: July 4th (1.73 lbs/wk) Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 27 2012,08:23
Down 6 pounds over the past 2 weeks, 27.4 lost, 21.6 to go.I also bought a mountain bike this past weekend, to expand on my biking. < Why I love biking. > QUOTE Those compounds activate cannabinoid receptors—the same ones that are stimulated by cocaine—to provide that euphoric feeling during and after exercise. Somewhere around 45 minutes that hits me every time and it feels like an hour-long orgasm. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 27 2012,08:23
I get that with sex.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 18 2012,07:46
An entire hour?Down 33 pounds now. 16 to go. Had a week off due to vacation a bit back. This weekend ate pizza/candy/crap... gained 3 pounds over the weekend. They are now gone again. Biking more (did back to back 20 miles rides Mon/Tue), mountain biking today. In terms of July 4th, would be only 1.44 lbs/week now to hit goal by then. My goal was 2 lbs/week, but have lost an average of 2.4 lbs/week. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 22 2012,07:56
< http://nutrition.stanford.edu/projects/az.html >
Posted by TheCatt on May 09 2012,06:37
Today I hit the big 4-0. 40.4 pounds lost in just under 4 months. According to my spreadsheet, I'm trying to lose 8.6 more pounds by July 4th. Doesn't seem that will be a problem.I am planning to start lifting weights soon though, so start building muscle, so overall weight loss may slow, but really, it's about fat loss / percentage now. Posted by thibodeaux on May 09 2012,06:46
Nice!
Posted by TheCatt on May 09 2012,13:29
Thanks... I look down, and there's certainly more belly than I'd like still, but hey - I'm not 1/3rd fat any more.
Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 24 2012,12:20
(TheCatt @ May 09 2012,09:37) QUOTE Today I hit the big 4-0. 40.4 pounds lost in just under 4 months. According to my spreadsheet, I'm trying to lose 8.6 more pounds by July 4th. Doesn't seem that will be a problem. Well, i kinda gave up for summer (if eating pretzels m&ms on top of ice cream = giving up)... gained back about 15 pounds. I've dropped 8 of those... body fat went from 33% to 24%, weight from 241 to 208. This past weekend, I rode a 50 mile charity ride in 3 hours flat (no drafting!). 9 months ago, I couldn't walk around a grocery store without having to lay down the rest of the day due to knee pain (Thanks Celebrex!). Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 25 2012,09:33
Skipped lunch yesterday. I had meetings scheduled back to back, not enough time to get out for lunch. I was really hungry for about 30 minutes, then it just dissipated. But man dinner tasted REALLY good.I read about Intermittent Fasting, but every thing I read feels like someone trying to sell me something. Hard to find any real science. But that would mean skipping breakfast, and eating around working out (late afternoon). That would be a pretty hard habit for me to break. Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 25 2012,09:37
What about "breakfast is the most important meal of the day?"
Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 25 2012,10:27
(TPRJones @ Sep. 25 2012,12:37) QUOTE What about "breakfast is the most important meal of the day?" Apparently not true, except when you replace breakfast by eating crap later in the day. According to some people at least. I dunno, the whole topic seems to be filled with crappy studies. Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 25 2012,10:28
< http://bluntobject.wordpress.com/2012....ure-fat >< http://www.leangains.com/search/label/Research > I have regularly not eaten "breakfast" for the last couple of years. To be more specific: I eat a post-supper snack before 8pm, then don't eat again til around 11am the next day, making my overnight fast around 10-11 hours. Seems to work OK. That said, I *do* hit the caffeine pretty hard all morning. I've been doing a sort of leangains approach since January: intense lifting for 30-40 minutes, 3 times per week. On lift days, eating about 2600 calories, and on rest days about 2000 calories. Basically: on lift days, eating like an extra 200g of starch (rice, potatoes). By June I was down to 175 lbs (I'm 6'4", so that's pretty skinny), and maybe 11% or 12% body fat. Starting in July I decided I'd try to bulk up, so I basically quit counting calories and ate like a pig (lots of sugary low-fat yogurt, cheese, milk, more rice, etc). I'm now at about 190lbs, and maybe 14% or 15% body fat. But I'm also a bit stronger: I was benching maybe 150 in early summer, and last week I did a 1 rep max of 185. So, I got that going for me. I want to start recomping again and see if I can keep the muscles but lose some of the fat. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 25 2012,10:43
(TPRJones @ Sep. 25 2012,11:37) QUOTE What about "breakfast is the most important meal of the day?" Complete bullshit. Unless you happen to be doing significant physical activity between breakfast and lunch. Posted by TPRJones on Sep. 25 2012,10:50
Oh. But breakfast is my favorite. I usually skip dinner instead. That bad?
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 25 2012,11:01
(TPRJones @ Sep. 25 2012,12:50) QUOTE Oh. But breakfast is my favorite. I usually skip dinner instead. That bad? That depends quite a bit on your activity schedule and desired results throughout the day. Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 25 2012,12:02
(TPRJones @ Sep. 25 2012,13:50) QUOTE Oh. But breakfast is my favorite. I usually skip dinner instead. That bad? Whatever makes you feel good, man. I find that continuing the fast through the morning fits better with my routine, but I don't think it matters. I *do* think it matters how long the fast is; like, you get better fat burning if it extends past 12 hours, and if you do some low-intensity exercise like walking after the 12 hour point, you can really kick in the fat burning. Posted by GORDON on Sep. 25 2012,13:32
I have decided to just have my head implanted to a killer robot body. It will have the strength of a bear that has the strength of two bears.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 25 2012,14:00
I suppose if you're not hitting the strength training, the fasting thing works. If you're doing real work, I'd think you'd want some fuel in you, though. Isn't the body apt to burn more calories if it's certain there's more in reserve, and tries to be more efficient as energy resources dwindle?
Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 25 2012,15:22
I lift fasted.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 25 2012,15:52
(thibodeaux @ Sep. 25 2012,17:22) QUOTE I lift fasted. During morning or night? EDIT: I get about half the week where I get a chance to eat beforehand and half without the chance. I notice a marked difference. Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 25 2012,16:55
Morning. I drink a coke and lift first thing, around 7 or 8 AM. The leangains people recommend chugging some branch-chain amino acids (BCAA), but I don't think it matters to me. I really think once you train your body/metabolism to lift fasted, it's no longer a problem.Some people DO worry about going catabolic if you don't eat soon enough after you lift, but I also don't really worry about it. Honestly, probably about 75% of looking good/being healthy is diet, 20% is exercise, and the rest is tweakage. IMHO. YMMV. Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 26 2012,11:16
Kinda fast lifted yesterday... Ate breakfast @8am, lifted at 4:30pm, ate a bunch of protein after.Tried to buy BCAAs at Walmart. We'll see. Whenever I read most of the people all I can think is "you juice" Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 26 2012,17:03
They got BCAA at walmart? How much?
Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 26 2012,18:24
(thibodeaux @ Sep. 26 2012,20:03) QUOTE They got BCAA at walmart? How much? Heh, no. They just have protein powder. They have it online, but not at the one near me. Posted by GORDON on Nov. 25 2012,12:13
This guy says that a genetic change to wheat in the last 50 years is producing a protein called gliadin that attaches to the opiate receptors in the brain and actually stimulates hunger, which has leads people to wanting to consume more calories per day, thus gaining weight.< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50....or-says > Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 25 2012,12:41
QUOTE "If three people lost eight pounds, big deal," he said. "But we're seeing hundreds of thousands of people losing 30, 80, 150 pounds. Diabetics become no longer diabetic; people with arthritis having dramatic relief. People losing leg swelling, acid reflux, irritable bowel syndrome, depression, and on and on every day." Wow. Does it do your taxes, mow your lawn, and suck your dick after a shitty day at work, too? QUOTE To avoid these wheat-oriented products, Davis suggests eating "real food," such as avocados, olives, olive oil, meats, and vegetables. "(It's) the stuff that is least likely to have been changed by agribusiness," he said. Wow. Meats: I'm not even going to go into how much commercial farming has fucked with raising herds of [whatever] for slaughter. Vegetables: Pesticides, genetic engineering. < All your seed are belong to us >. That doctor sounds dim. Posted by thibodeaux on Nov. 25 2012,13:27
I'm pretty sure the virtues of eliminating grains from your diet are well documented.
Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 25 2012,14:32
I'll say "limiting" instead of "eliminating." Whatever the virtues may be, I'm betting "curing depression" isn't one of them.
Posted by thibodeaux on Nov. 25 2012,14:36
Wrong and wrong.< https://www.google.com/search?q=gluten+depression > Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 25 2012,14:55
The articles yielded by that search seem to have a reserved tone.< Sounds like not all grains are evil >. QUOTE Other cereals such as maize (corn), millet, sorghum, teff, rice, and wild rice are safe for patients to consume... QUOTE Coeliac disease appears to be polyfactorial, both in that more than one genetic factor can cause the disease and that more than one factor is necessary for the disease to manifest in a patient. Sounds like they've sort of identified some common patterns, but are sort of completely fucking lost. I simply find it difficult to believe that foodstuffs we've spent generations breeding to perfection are ultimately killing us. QUOTE Over 95% of coeliac patients have the isoform of DQ2 or DQ8, which is inherited in families. Sounds very genetically predisposed, whatever it is. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 27 2013,06:32
Well, finally got back on the horse... last year January was 245. This January was back up to 231. I'm now at 215.So far: Eating 1400 net calories per day (calories in minus exercise) Exercising 5-7 hours per week (mostly biking/elliptical) Breakfast - 2 eggs, 3-4 pieces of bacon, 1 slice of cheese, all on a honey wheat bagel. Very filling. No lunch crash (650 calories). No OJ Lunch - Usually a McDonalds salad with "crispy" chicken (500 calories) Dinner - Normal dinner if I work out, otherwise Adkins shake. One day a week I overeat. This seems to keep me losing weight at a decent rate, keeping the metabolism up. Usually this day is a Saturday. I've been losing a consistent 2lbs a week. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 27 2013,07:08
5-7 hours per day?
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 27 2013,07:40
(Malcolm @ Mar. 27 2013,10:08) QUOTE 5-7 hours per day? I have my computer hooked up to my bike and elliptical. Not really, per week, fixed. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 28 2013,05:49
From a < video >about what 2000 calories of food looks like:![]() Posted by thibodeaux on Mar. 28 2013,06:22
On rest days I eat 1880 - 1900 calories. Example:Brunch: 2 bacon, 2 eggs, banana Supper: 6-10 oz Meat (steak, pork, hamburger), some vegetables Snack: handful of almonds, whey protein smoothie Target macros are 70g carb, 95g fat, 180g protein On lift days (3 times x week), I pretty much just eat what I want. Which works out to the same stuff, but with an extra one or two hundred grams of carbs from sweet potatoes or white rice, and some milk. Looking for starch more than sugar. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 28 2013,07:18
Days I do lifting: normalcy + protein shakeDays I do lifting + cardio: don't give a fuck + protein shake Days I don't do anything: normalcy Posted by TheCatt on May 14 2013,13:23
Well, I've re-hit the big 4-0, maybe this time I'll be able to keep it off? So last year I lost 40 pounds, took a new job, and gained 30 of them back. I've now lost those 30 and 3 other pounds, so down 43 total. My original goal was 45 pounds lost (200). My new goal is 65 pounds, which would put me back to college / last 2 years of high school weight (180). So... 22 more to go. This time, I've entered 3 weight loss competitions. 1 at work with 5 other people, and 2 online. The online ones pay a total of $400 if I get my BMI below 25 (The goal above = 4 pounds below a 25 BMI). It's staged into two goals, and I hit the first one if I just lose 2 more pounds, and I have almost 2 more months to do that., I have until January 2013 to hit the BMI goal. Posted by Malcolm on May 14 2013,13:57
BMI = bullshit.
Posted by TheCatt on May 14 2013,16:48
(Malcolm @ May 14 2013,16:57) QUOTE BMI = bullshit. Blah Blah Blah. Don't care, it's about money, and that's the standard they wanted to use. That being said, BMI probably works as a guide for most people. Posted by Malcolm on May 14 2013,17:56
Penn and Teller's Bullshit, Season 5, Episode 1 ... I think. It's a shitty guide. You may notice none of < this dude >'s qualifications include: biologist, nutritionist, biochemist, etc. You may also note that's the dude who invented the shitty guide in question.
Posted by TPRJones on May 14 2013,18:03
BMI is bullshit in objective terms, but as a purely subjective measurement of progress it is as reasonable a measure as any other.
Posted by Malcolm on May 14 2013,19:26
Bah. Mass over height, with the height denominator squared. If you want to win, just start walking on stilts.
Posted by TheCatt on May 15 2013,05:45
Oddly enough, that doesn't change your height.At any rate, here's the suggested guidelines for body fat %: Description Women Men Essential fat 10–13% 2–5% Athletes 14–20% 6–13% Fitness 21–24% 14–17% Average 25–31% 18–24% Obese 32%+ 25%+ 18 to 24 % may be "average" for men, but that's still overweight. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 07 2013,06:30
(TheCatt @ May 14 2013,16:23) QUOTE Well, I've re-hit the big 4-0, maybe this time I'll be able to keep it off? This time, I've entered 3 weight loss competitions. 1 at work with 5 other people, and 2 online. The online ones pay a total of $400 if I get my BMI below 25 (The goal above = 4 pounds below a 25 BMI). It's staged into two goals, and I hit the first one if I just lose 2 more pounds, and I have almost 2 more months to do that., I have until January 2013 to hit the BMI goal. Feels like I plateaued in May, but looking back I still lost a pound a week. 46 pounds lost now, just got under 200 (199). Goal 175ish I'm officially past the first weight loss competition target. so as long as I don't gain weight in 4 weeks, I win $150. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 11 2013,14:01
Hey someone make this and tell me how it comes out< http://www.fitsugar.com/Low-Car...._map=[] > Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 11 2013,14:42
(GORDON @ Jun. 11 2013,16:01) QUOTE Hey someone make this and tell me how it comes out < ]http://www.fitsugar.com/Low-Car...._map=[] > I'm vaguely curious. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 11 2013,16:03
Started biking to work again lately, 2x/week now (since it's been raining a lot, and I don't like biking in the rain). It's only 11 miles round-trip, but that's still 500+ calories.
Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 02 2013,11:51
(TheCatt @ Jun. 07 2013,09:30) QUOTE I'm officially past the first weight loss competition target. so as long as I don't gain weight in 4 weeks, I win $150. 3 more pounds in June... 196. And I won $150 in the HealthyWage competition. If I drop 12 more pounds by January 5th, I can win $250 more. Plus, I'm winning the weight loss competition at work, with 4 months to go, I only need to lose 7 pounds. Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 02 2013,08:43
July was a write-off thanks to vacations, and August didn't start much better.But to start September, I'm down to 190. I did my first 100km bike ride, which ended in 7 miles of painful leg cramps (longest ride otherwise this summer only 36 miles). I did a 66 mile ride 2 weeks later, and despite the additional 4 miles, did it in only 2 more minutes, with a pace just under 18mph (2700 ft elevation). And two days ago I did my first 2 hour 19mph ride (at the beach, so only 180 feet of elevation, amazingly flat). In an effort to diversify my work outs, I tried doing Insanity once, and was sore for a week. Today I did bike intervals for the first time, trying to work on intervals/speed. My swimming is improved, though have only been swimming 2.5 months. Managed to swim 2 miles last week without stopping, and have my first swim race in 2 weeks (1.2 mile open water). I want to start weight lifting soon, but not sure where/when to start. My biggest concern is injuring myself before my swim, but once that's done, I have no more rides/swims until next year. Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 02 2013,11:35
Weightlifting is king.Deadlifted 335 yesterday, beeches! Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 02 2013,13:09
(thibodeaux @ Sep. 02 2013,13:35) QUOTE Weightlifting is king. Deadlifted 335 yesterday, beeches! I'm so waiting to get more emphasis on the bench press and deadlifting after my right back muscles get drilled with enough ultrasound. My quads and calves will let me leg press a Smartcar, though. Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 02 2013,14:57
I've been really surprised that I've been able to keep hitting PRs on deadlift. Bench, squats, and overhead presses not so much ![]() Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 03 2013,07:23
I'm betting I could squat as much as you deadlift. Everything else is advancing so damn slowly.
Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 29 2013,10:38
345 today. My new goal is:By my next birthday, bench/squat/dead at 225/315/405 (that's 2/3/4 plates) Right now I'm at 205/275/345, so I got a ways to go, but it's 7 months. Posted by TheCatt on Sep. 29 2013,11:29
So is that reps, is that single rep, what is that?
Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 29 2013,13:36
Pounds. That is my weight goal for 1-rep-maximum. 2 plates = 2x 45-lb plates on each side (plus 45-lb bar) = 225 lb 3 plates = 315 lb 4 plates = 405 lb Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 29 2013,17:48
You do one rep sets? Too much of a need for spotters.
Posted by thibodeaux on Sep. 30 2013,05:35
No, I actually do < this >. Once a month I work up to a new 1-rep max.That said, I have heard that some dudes (who are for-real powerlifters) do singles. Like, just keep adding weight and doing 1 rep till they can't add any more weight. Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 30 2013,08:33
That's the opposite of what I do. Too much time wasted adding/removing weights, waiting for spotters, and such.I do know the thing he's talking about, though. Tried it for a month or so. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2013,11:09
Just won a weight loss contest... I lost more when I started 3 weeks ago (impossible to diet on the road) than everyone else managed in 1.5 months.Going to take the prize money and replace that chunky old CRT monitor on my desk. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 14 2013,11:40
Nice! I won a weight loss competition last month, and made $110. I'm down to 190.My final competition of the year ends Friday. I need to drop 4 more pounds to get my BMI under 25 (the goal of the competition). If I win, I get $250. If I lose, I lose $150. 4 more pounds can be pretty easily done using Atkins + fasting/sweating the final days, so I'm not too worried. Heck, last time I biked 100km, I dropped 6 pounds even drinking more than a gallon of Gatorade and water. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 14 2013,11:59
The last week I willpowered myself into skipping breakfast and lunch and only eating a moderate (with no sugar/carbs) supper.... I know that's bad, but I wanted to win.... the problem was, I was eating so little food that the last couple days I wasn't pooping. Most of what I was eating was staying in my gut and I wasn't losing much.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 20 2013,05:30
(TheCatt @ Dec. 14 2013,14:40) QUOTE Nice! I won a weight loss competition last month, and made $110. I'm down to 190. My final competition of the year ends Friday. I need to drop 4 more pounds to get my BMI under 25 (the goal of the competition). If I win, I get $250. If I lose, I lose $150. Bam. 183 this morning. Had to hit 184 to win. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 20 2013,07:30
Whoo hoo! Got verified just now. For the two contests (one ended in July, the other just ended), I got $400 total. And, lost 41 pounds.
Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 20 2013,10:26
Damn yo. Congrats. Now go eat some Christmas Charbs.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 20 2013,10:39
I had a cronut at breakfast, and pizza for lunch... mmmm, carbs.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 25 2014,11:54
Well... I was 183. I then followed that up by ballooning back to 200.I got back on track about a month ago. I'm around 193 right now. Need to get around 180 for 2 more weight loss competitions I'm doing. At that point, I need to just figure out a lifestyle that lets me stay there. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 25 2014,11:57
(TheCatt @ Mar. 25 2014,13:54) QUOTE At that point, I need to just figure out a lifestyle that lets me stay there. "Stay" is relative. Unless you have the world's most consistent diet and exercise plan, there will always be flux. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 25 2014,12:41
I lost 25 pounds late last year.The day I won, I went ahead and had pizza... I ate 3 slices before I was full. I regained like 2 pounds immediately. I don't even know how you can do it without being on ForeverDiet. Posted by TheCatt on May 01 2014,08:26
(TheCatt @ Mar. 25 2014,14:54) QUOTE I got back on track about a month ago. I'm around 193 right now. Need to get around 180 for 2 more weight loss competitions I'm doing. At that point, I need to just figure out a lifestyle that lets me stay there. Well, kinda fucked that up. I swear, I eat a single bowl of ice cream and I gain 3 pounds. I went Atkins 3 days ago. I've dropped 6 pounds (glycogen/water), and have to lose 10 more pounds in 22 days for the diet contest. I'm around 190 right now. Posted by thibodeaux on May 02 2014,04:54
< This was taken yesterday >
Posted by GORDON on May 02 2014,05:31
That's it you're banned.
Posted by Leisher on May 02 2014,06:35
I didn't know Vladimir Putin was staying in such good shape.
Posted by TheCatt on May 02 2014,07:25
(Leisher @ May 02 2014,09:35) QUOTE I didn't know Vladimir Putin was staying in such good shape. Beat me to it ![]() Posted by Malcolm on May 02 2014,07:49
(thibodeaux @ May 02 2014,06:54) QUOTE < This was taken yesterday > Haven't looked, but I assume a picture of yo mama. Posted by thibodeaux on May 02 2014,15:49
(GORDON @ May 02 2014,08:31) QUOTE That's it you're banned. I'm just waiting for somebody to avatar-grief me. Posted by TheCatt on May 02 2014,17:20
I don't think it'd be griefing. Seems you're pretty proud of it ![]() Posted by GORDON on May 02 2014,17:20
I like RAG. I think it's funny.
Posted by thibodeaux on May 02 2014,17:54
Haters gonna hate.
Posted by TheCatt on May 04 2014,17:04
A friend gave me one of < these. >Spent 5 hours setting it up today. I did a few exercises on it afterwards. Not bad, not great. Figure it's something easy to use at home, and until I get past that fun muscle soreness part. Posted by Malcolm on May 04 2014,19:07
My brain read that product as "weirdo pro" until I looked at it more carefully.
Posted by Vince on May 07 2014,18:45
(thibodeaux @ May 02 2014,19:54) QUOTE Haters gonna hate. I hate to admit I'm kind of man crushing on you now. Posted by Malcolm on May 07 2014,20:22
(thibodeaux @ May 02 2014,06:54) QUOTE < This was taken yesterday > Your head looks naturally photoshopped. Posted by TheCatt on May 08 2014,05:52
Leave it to Vince to make things dirty ![]() So, I did some bench presses on the machine. Wow, I'm weak. I did 3 reps of 140 pounds. which I have to believe translates to less weight without using a machine. So... wow. Long way to go. Making this post in the hopes that I'll improve in the future. Posted by GORDON on May 08 2014,05:55
When it comes to lifting, if you can't do it smooth and controlled, then you can't do it. You'll hurt yourself, especially at your age. Don't push it. Well, do push it, but don't push it all jerky and sloppy.
Posted by TheCatt on May 08 2014,06:14
That was what I could do controlled, but with significant effort. Granted, doing it on a machine helps makes the control factor easier.
Posted by Malcolm on May 08 2014,07:25
QUOTE Granted, doing it on a machine helps makes the control factor easier. Machines cheat your muscles. All the tiny, microscopic adjustments you're forced to do make a difference. They're good for getting proper form down initially, but after that, free weights all the way. Posted by GORDON on May 08 2014,08:37
I agree with that. A few years ago I was lifting a lot, solo, so I was using machines so I didn't need a spotter. I could bench the entire stack on the machine.... 210 or 240 or something like that, 6 reps or so.One day I was waiting for an old fat woman benching her 40 pounds, and I see someone had left 135 on the free weight bench. I decided to just knock out some easy sets as warmups while I was waiting. Holy shit it was a lot harder than I thought. I did like 8 before I realized I had to stop before I got myself in trouble without a spotter. Posted by thibodeaux on May 08 2014,16:20
Also remember that even if the stack of weights on the machine says "200 lbs," those things have pulleys and levers and other mechanical advantages. In fact, if they're designed properly they will have a variable load during the range of motion, because your body has variable strength through the range of motion.
Posted by TheCatt on May 08 2014,16:47
Right, the 140 lbs is the effective weight, not the real weight, based on the pulleys, etc.I've got a weight loss competition that ends in two weeks. Last night I went mountain biking, then my stomach got upset. I lost 3.5 pounds in a day. So if I lose 4 more pounds, then repeat that process, I win! Posted by Malcolm on May 08 2014,20:40
(TheCatt @ May 08 2014,18:47) QUOTE Right, the 140 lbs is the effective weight, not the real weight, based on the pulleys, etc. There are 3 major brands of machines at my gym. I've used all of them. They have different mechanisms and materials to move the weight. 150 on one machine is not the same as the others. On top of that, the weight is calibrated when the thing's brand new, not after a few thousand people have abused it. Posted by TheCatt on May 09 2014,05:52
Today I added a set of lat pull-downs that went pretty well. My goal is probably 4-5 upper body exercises that I can do 2-3 times a week.
Posted by Leisher on May 16 2014,13:30
< 200 calories in photos. >
Posted by TheCatt on May 16 2014,14:30
(Leisher @ May 16 2014,16:30) QUOTE < 200 calories in photos. > Now I'm hungry. Posted by TheCatt on May 16 2014,14:33
(TheCatt @ Mar. 25 2014,14:54) QUOTE Well... I was 183. I then followed that up by ballooning back to 200. I got back on track about a month ago. I'm around 193 right now. Need to get around 180 for 2 more weight loss competitions I'm doing. At that point, I need to just figure out a lifestyle that lets me stay there. Back down to about 183 right now. Just 7 more days in my current weight loss competition. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 02 2014,17:28
I'm really fucking good at gaining weight. I need a competition for that.I went from 180 to 211 from June 1st to October 31st. In November, I got back down to 200. Goal is 20 more pounds, and STAYING THERE. I joined 4 DietBet competitions to help me stay motivated. I won $21 in the first one. I put up $280 for the next 3, so hopefully I'll win more. Also in a $100/person contest at work. I need to learn to keep at weight without contests. I started doing body weight exercises two weeks ago too, in addition, to try and keep/build muscle: pushups, planks, squats, and lunges. For the squats, I started with 0 weight, and am up to 50 lbs, 2 sets, 15 reps. (I have a bad knee, so trying to not aggravate it). Posted by GORDON on Dec. 02 2014,18:35
I joined a gym last month for the first time in 6 years... one that allowed men finally opened near me.... but I have been doing a speed-bathroom-remodeling-project, and have only had time to go 4 times. Wife's family Christmas is in 10 days, tomorrow is floor tile.
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 02 2014,18:48
QUOTE I have been doing a speed-bathroom-remodeling-project Sounds like a prostate problem to me. You'd have more time for the remodeling if you went to the bathroom less, no matter how fast you piss. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 02 2014,18:49
QUOTE I have a bad knee, so trying to not aggravate it. Don't let that douche push you around. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 02 2014,19:09
(Malcolm @ Dec. 02 2014,21:49) QUOTE QUOTE I have a bad knee, so trying to not aggravate it. Don't let that douche push you around. I'd like to keep it for another 40 years or so. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 02 2014,19:21
(Malcolm @ Dec. 02 2014,21:48) QUOTE QUOTE I have been doing a speed-bathroom-remodeling-project Sounds like a prostate problem to me. You'd have more time for the remodeling if you went to the bathroom less, no matter how fast you piss. I gutted half the room down to the studs in order to install a new tub/shower enclosure... I got a week into the project when I realized I should have made a thread about it. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 05 2014,08:34
(TheCatt @ Dec. 02 2014,20:28) QUOTE In November, I got back down to 200 from 211 on Nov 1st. 196. 16 pounds to go. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 05 2014,10:17
QUOTE but I have been doing a speed-bathroom-remodeling-project, That needs a thread so we can all track how long it takes for you finish it. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 05 2014,11:35
(Leisher @ Dec. 05 2014,13:17) QUOTE QUOTE but I have been doing a speed-bathroom-remodeling-project, That needs a thread so we can all track how long it takes for you finish it. Christmas party is in 8 days. I have been cutting floor tiles all day. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 14 2014,13:44
It's like magic once I get below 195 pounds.We had our company Christmas party last night. People's wives telling my wife how cute I am. Women smiling at me, some noticeably checking me out. Weird. 20 pounds ago, I could have been the last man on earth and they wouldn't have cared. Now I'm charming, intelligent, and attractive, or something. It was particularly jarring this time around since I dropped 20 pounds in 1.5 months. Double standard, my (fitter) ass. Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 14 2014,16:19
It's the hair.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 15 2014,12:43
(thibodeaux @ Dec. 14 2014,19:19) QUOTE It's the hair. The hair is gold, man. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 20 2014,08:43
(TheCatt @ Dec. 05 2014,11:34) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Dec. 02 2014,20:28) QUOTE In November, I got back down to 200 from 213 on Nov 1st. 196. 16 pounds to go. 191. 11 pounds to go. Change from 11/1 -> Down 22 pounds (turns out I was 213 on 11/1, not 211). Body fat down from 28.4% to 18.6% By those numbers, I've basically lost just fat, and lean mass is steady in the 150-155 range. Apparently lifting weight 1-2 times per week has been enough to keep my muscles from atrophying. Posted by thibodeaux on Dec. 20 2014,10:14
kick ass man
Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 27 2014,15:47
< You should lift more >.QUOTE "To maintain a healthy weight and waistline, it is critical to incorporate weight training with aerobic exercise." Shit I theorized about 2-3 years ago when I started hitting the gym. I'd like to add my muscles were less sore a day after lifting when I finished it off with thirty minutes of cardio plus some fitness ball-supported stretching. Posted by Leisher on Dec. 27 2014,17:42
I received a Fitbit Charge for Christmas. I'll post a review after using it for a while.
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 27 2014,18:17
(Leisher @ Dec. 27 2014,20:42) QUOTE I received a Fitbit Charge for Christmas. I'll post a review after using it for a while. Let me know what you think of it. I was just looking at the ones coming out shortly (UP3 / Fitbit Surge) today Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 30 2014,10:36
![]() Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 05 2015,07:02
So I had some surgery last week. Before the surgery, I was as low as 189, and was 192 or so on surgery morning. (I had eaten carbs the day before)3 days later, I stepped on a scale (admittedly, in the middle of the day, not first thing in the morning) and was 205. In the pain-killer haze, I had started eating carbs regularly again, but was surprised to see my weight up 13 pounds. [TMI warning] Of course, it turned out another regularity issue was also a problem. I was on Percocet, which constipates me horribly. Sure enough, I hadn't pooped since Sunday. I finally pooped on Thursday, and lost 3.4 pounds just by pooping. A little more clearing out, and I was down to 199 yesterday afternoon, and 197 first thing this morning. So I gained a few pounds, but a decent amount of it is probably carb/water weight. I can resume exercising in 2 weeks, so we'll see. Posted by Leisher on Jan. 05 2015,09:51
I love that comic. So far, the Fitbit Charge is nice. I wish I had the Fitbit Charge HR for the heart rate stuff, and I still might make a change, but this is ok. It's still mostly a manual process for the eating, drinking, exercise (kinda of), and some of the sleeping, but it's a nice companion tool for anyone in a exercise program. It won't do the exercises for you, but it can help you lead a healthier lifestyle. Certainly don't buy it unless you're serious about getting into shape and/or leading a healthier lifestyle. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 05 2015,10:04
238 as of this morning. Also joined a gym. Goal 200.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 05 2015,11:03
(GORDON @ Jan. 05 2015,13:04) QUOTE 238 as of this morning. Also joined a gym. Goal 200. If you are serious about the weight loss, I highly recommend DietBet.com and Healthywage.com. I have made several hundred $ from those sites losing weight so far. Dietbet is the easier of the two. You can sign up for 3 bets at a time (4% in 1 month, or 10% in 6 months), and it only requires 1 picture per month. To get the most money, you could do the following: 1) Sign up for 2 1-month challenges, and 1 6-month challenge. 2) At the end of 1-month, sign up for another 1-month challenge, and another 6-month challenge. 3) At the end of the 2nd month, sign up for another 6-month challenge. [That is the plan I am following right now, having won the 1-month challenges, and am now in step #3] Assuming you could/want to lose that much weight. To win all of those bets, I think you'd end up at 197.4 at most. Healthwage.com is different. The bet varies based on what you want to lose and time horizon. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 05 2015,11:03
(Leisher @ Jan. 05 2015,12:51) QUOTE I love that comic. So far, the Fitbit Charge is nice. I wish I had the Fitbit Charge HR for the heart rate stuff, and I still might make a change, but this is ok. It's still mostly a manual process for the eating, drinking, exercise (kinda of), and some of the sleeping, but it's a nice companion tool for anyone in a exercise program. It won't do the exercises for you, but it can help you lead a healthier lifestyle. Certainly don't buy it unless you're serious about getting into shape and/or leading a healthier lifestyle. How much does it tell you about sleep, and is that information usable/actionable? Posted by Leisher on Jan. 05 2015,11:46
![]() QUOTE How much does it tell you about sleep, and is that information usable/actionable? I have to tell my phone I'm going to sleep and then it tracks how long I sleep and how often I wake up. When you wake up, you tell your phone you're awake. My numbers are much lower than I thought they would be. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 05 2015,12:00
Hmm. That feels like something that should be more automated, or at least doable with a single device.They couldn't have a sleep mode on the device where you push a button when you wake up? Posted by GORDON on Jan. 05 2015,13:20
That headache is coming on.
Posted by TPRJones on Jan. 05 2015,13:27
I've got one of < these > coming soon, if it turns out to be good I'll be sure to post about it.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 05 2015,13:32
(GORDON @ Jan. 05 2015,16:20) QUOTE That headache is coming on. Hungry headache? Atkins headache? Posted by GORDON on Jan. 05 2015,13:32
(TheCatt @ Jan. 05 2015,14:03) QUOTE (GORDON @ Jan. 05 2015,13:04) QUOTE 238 as of this morning. Also joined a gym. Goal 200. If you are serious about the weight loss, I highly recommend DietBet.com and Healthywage.com. I have made several hundred $ from those sites losing weight so far. Dietbet is the easier of the two. You can sign up for 3 bets at a time (4% in 1 month, or 10% in 6 months), and it only requires 1 picture per month. This seems ridiculously easy to fake. They basically only want a picture of your feet on the scale, and the number. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 05 2015,13:33
(TheCatt @ Jan. 05 2015,16:32) QUOTE (GORDON @ Jan. 05 2015,16:20) QUOTE That headache is coming on. Hungry headache? Atkins headache? Yeah, no sugar/carbs today. I don't know if I am going fully carb-free, or just going to reduce my portions. Haven't really decided, just going with it. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 05 2015,13:36
Low sugar/carb works well for me (50-75g a day). I lost the most weight at 20-30 per day, and exercising.Accelerating your body into ketosis will help with the headaches (burning out glycogen stores with cardio). And drinking extra water. The premise they are hoping for on the weight loss competition is that digital scales are generally harder to fake (you must use a digital). Dietbet also doesn't really care - You are winning other people's money, they get paid regardless. Healthywage cares more, so they make you submit a video. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 05 2015,17:15
dietbetter.com: can you do multiple contests at once?
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 05 2015,17:34
(TheCatt @ Jan. 05 2015,14:03) QUOTE If you are serious about the weight loss, I highly recommend DietBet.com and Healthywage.com. I have made several hundred $ from those sites losing weight so far. Dietbet is the easier of the two. You can sign up for 3 bets at a time (4% in 1 month, or 10% in 6 months), and it only requires 1 picture per month. To get the most money, you could do the following: 1) Sign up for 2 1-month challenges, and 1 6-month challenge. 2) At the end of 1-month, sign up for another 1-month challenge, and another 6-month challenge. 3) At the end of the 2nd month, sign up for another 6-month challenge. [That is the plan I am following right now, having won the 1-month challenges, and am now in step #3] Assuming you could/want to lose that much weight. To win all of those bets, I think you'd end up at 197.4 at most. Healthwage.com is different. The bet varies based on what you want to lose and time horizon. I'm just gonna quote myself. But yes, you can do 3 at once. On the 4% bets, I've typically made about 50-75% of the bet (so $12.5 to 20 on a $25 wager). On the 10%, I doubled my money. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 06 2015,07:19
< Fitbit Surge, Charge HR released >The Surge is the one I think I want. However, there seem to be < numerous concerns >about the HRM accuracy when exercising. Automatic sleep tracking. Basic phone integration (text/call notifications, music control). Posted by Leisher on Jan. 06 2015,08:09
I'm trying to upgrade to a Charge HR. The Surge is a lot more money for features I won't use.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 06 2015,09:02
(Leisher @ Jan. 06 2015,11:09) QUOTE I'm trying to upgrade to a Charge HR. The Surge is a lot more money for features I won't use. I'm not 100% sure it's worth it, but I definitely want to give it a try. If I could get a fitness tracker + running tracker + HRM in one package, that's worth it to me. Today I have: Phone, Bike computer, HR Strap. HR Strap only works with bike computer. And using the phone's audio controls while running isn't easy, so having that on a watch might be nice. I'd prefer to get an Android Wear watch, but there isn't one with continuous HRM yet. Now if it could only track my swimming too ![]() Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 06 2015,10:11
Bought the Surge. Looks like 2 weeks to process the order & ship.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 06 2015,11:56
Dietbet: The 10% contests work like this:6 months. each of the first 5 months have 10% of the pot, with 50% of the pot in the final month. I paid $125 to join one two months ago. So that's $12.50 per first 5 month's pot, and $62.50 for final pot. Month 1 won: Grossed 17.73 (net 5.23) Month 2 won: Grossed 37.89 (net 25.64). People suck at not eating during holidays. I joined another in December, same $. Month 1 won: Grossed 19.43 (net 6.93). I also did 2 4% monthly games that have ended. Bet: $30, Grossed 51.81, net 21.81 Bet: $30, Grossed 51.88, net 21.88. So in the past two months, I have made about $81.50. Last year, I did a single 10% bet, and netted 163. If I make just 125 per 10% bet, I'll end up at $400 or so, total. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 06 2015,15:57
I kind of wish I could temporarily block all the emails from all the local pizza places.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 06 2015,16:04
(GORDON @ Jan. 06 2015,18:57) QUOTE I kind of wish I could temporarily block all the emails from all the local pizza places. I feel ya. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 08 2015,19:03
< AmpStrip - Waterproof HRM. >Can stick to you even during swimming. Indigogo campaign right now. Bought one. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 08 2015,19:04
< AmpStrip Review from DC Rainmaker >
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 12 2015,10:50
< Test drive multiple fitness trackers for $20 >
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 12 2015,17:58
(TheCatt @ Jan. 06 2015,13:11) QUOTE Bought the Surge. Looks like 2 weeks to process the order & ship. Shipped. Leisher, did you get the Charge HR? Posted by GORDON on Jan. 13 2015,20:13
I just learned that there is such a thing as peleo flour, coconut flour, and you can make bread and buns and shit with it.My god, this may save me. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 13 2015,21:48
Anyone ever tried kelp noodles? Rumor has it they have a neutral taste and very low carbs.
Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 13 2015,22:21
I eat kelp. The rumour about the carbs sounds like an easily verifiable fact. Taste is aesthetic and relative.
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 14 2015,10:37
(TheCatt @ Jan. 12 2015,20:58) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Jan. 06 2015,13:11) QUOTE Bought the Surge. Looks like 2 weeks to process the order & ship. Shipped. Leisher, did you get the Charge HR? My wife returned my Charge today and I'm now trying to find a Charge HR in stock somewhere. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 14 2015,11:52
Holy fuck, coconut flour is $11 for 16 ounces.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 14 2015,12:03
(Leisher @ Jan. 14 2015,13:37) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Jan. 12 2015,20:58) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Jan. 06 2015,13:11) QUOTE Bought the Surge. Looks like 2 weeks to process the order & ship. Shipped. Leisher, did you get the Charge HR? My wife returned my Charge today and I'm now trying to find a Charge HR in stock somewhere. < In stock directly at Fitbit online. > I bought my Surge directly from them as I couldn't find one in stock anywhere else. Posted by GORDON on Jan. 14 2015,13:32
(Malcolm @ Jan. 14 2015,01:21) QUOTE I eat kelp. The rumour about the carbs sounds like an easily verifiable fact. Taste is aesthetic and relative. Do kelp noodles taste like the ocean? I hate fish and that fishy taste. I once did a spit-take in business class in Tokyo when i emptied a bag or what i thought were peanuts into my mouth and it ended up being dried seaweed bullshit. Posted by Malcolm on Jan. 14 2015,14:28
(GORDON @ Jan. 14 2015,15:32) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Jan. 14 2015,01:21) QUOTE I eat kelp. The rumour about the carbs sounds like an easily verifiable fact. Taste is aesthetic and relative. Do kelp noodles taste like the ocean? I hate fish and that fishy taste. I once did a spit-take in business class in Tokyo when i emptied a bag or what i thought were peanuts into my mouth and it ended up being dried seaweed bullshit. They weren't bonito or shrimp chips, were they? I live about as far away from the ocean as you can get, so I'm not sure what taste it offers. As far as the seaweed, the kind I get comes in squares, preserved with a brush of oil, and obviously with added salt ... because I guess there's not enough in the sea. I get more salt flavour than anything but I keep buying it, so I must think it's ok. Never used it as a noodle myself, but I've had more than a couple bowls of < this >. I don't detect any fishy tones, and I eat a decent amount of seafood. It's got a really fibrous texture as opposed to pasta. Also, if you want to remove the fishiness from non-fish things you eat, a quick boil in milk usually helps. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 16 2015,11:26
Surge arrived!So far I have only plugged it in and am trying to get it updated. Which takes a while. It has a proprietary (non micro-USB) charger, and comes with one of those short-range communication thingys to talk to your PC. I think the hardest part of me will be wearing something on my wrist. I've never regularly worn a watch. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 16 2015,17:30
Fitbit Surge, Thinks I like: * Pairs with phone for audio controls (pause, skip song - and shows current song) * Screen is easy to see in bright light * HRM seems accurate, did resting and active, and calculated against a stopwatch. * Steps are accurate. * Fits comfortably. Can do Non-running cardio (like elliptical) and still calculate calories. * Screen is a touchscreen and has intuitive swiping, etc. Things I dislike: * Bluetooth is unreliable. Sometimes hit pause, and phone didn't pause. * Screen is hard to see in low-light. (Very low light, the backlight turns on. Moderatly low light, you cannot read it). * Could not figure out how to change the backlight duration to be longer. * The screen is very reflective. While typing this, a light on the ceiling reflected off it into my eyes. This is certainly not the end all-be-all of smart fitness watches. But I like the HRM, and will enjoy having the GPS when possible. I hope the bluetooth controls are improved. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 18 2015,15:08
Like:* Android has the ability to not require an unlock code in certain locations (smart unlock), or in proximity to certain devices. The watch has bluetooth, so it works. * Tracking for non-running exercises (elliptical, etc) that seems more accurate than the calorie counter on my elliptical. Dislike: * The smart unlock isn't 100%. Don't know if that's the device's fault, or the phone's. * No way to disable the touchscreen. When going to bed, I sometimes accidentally hit the screen, triggering the backlight. * Accidentally swipe the touchscreen a few times. Needs a lock mode (also for the one above). * Wearing a watch. It's a bit bulky, so wearing long sleeve shirts or jackets, they get caught on the watch face. Overall, I like it... don't love it. Once I can run again will see how well it works as a GPS/running watch. Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 18 2015,15:10
Oh, and yesterday, I woke up, then went to my recliner after breakfast to do some consulting work. Apparently, I was so inactive, it thought I had fallen asleep for 1.5 hours. (I think I plugged it in to charge, so it may have triggered on the lack of activity)
Posted by Leisher on Jan. 18 2015,15:48
My Charge HR should arrive Tuesday.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 22 2015,12:17
(TheCatt @ Jan. 05 2015,10:02) QUOTE So I had some surgery last week. Before the surgery, I was as low as 189, and was 192 or so on surgery morning. (I had eaten carbs the day before). 3 days later, I stepped on a scale (admittedly, in the middle of the day, not first thing in the morning) and was 205. In the pain-killer haze... and 197 first thing this morning. Back to 190 today. If I can lose 10 pounds in 8 days, I can win a weight loss competition at work. Hmmm. I've already cut carbs. I can probably lose a legit 4 pounds. 6 pounds of dehydration? ![]() Posted by GORDON on Jan. 22 2015,12:20
The second day of fasting is actually easier than the first.
Posted by GORDON on Jan. 28 2015,18:33
Down about 11 pounds as of today. I feel like a Bacardi and Pepsi. I shall have one.
Posted by TheCatt on Jan. 29 2015,17:00
(GORDON @ Jan. 28 2015,21:33) QUOTE Down about 11 pounds as of today. I feel like a Bacardi and Pepsi. I shall have one. Nice! Posted by GORDON on Feb. 02 2015,09:50
Just submitted my final weigh-in for a 30-day dietbetter.com contest. Needed to lose like 10 pounds, lost 14.6 pounds. No particular diet, mainly just smaller portions, almost no sugary drinks (10 calorie root beer, 60 calorie pepsi once or twice a week), and a few times a week don't eat any carbs for a meal.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 02 2015,10:38
Woot!I submitted this morning for 2 of my 6-months (months 1 and 2), and have another in 2 days. So far so good. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 03 2015,07:29
< When you eat matters in mice >QUOTE Because the restricted mice could still eat as frequently as they wanted within the given time frame, none of the research tracked the effects of large meals versus smaller, or of frequent snacking. The benefits of restricted eating times were proportional to the amount of time fasted, said Amandine Chaix, a Salk researcher who works with Dr. Panda. The narrower the window for eating, the more weight the mice lost. Researchers have found that time-restricted diets such as eating for only eight hours a day can lead to weight loss. The researchers think this is partly because the restricted schedule aligns with the body’s circadian rhythm, or internal clock. Eating happens at times when the body is more efficient at breaking down foods. “The metabolic system evolved to be able to allocate energy resources at different times of the day,” said Dr. Chaix. Cholesterol is broken down in the body by bile acids, which are controlled by an enzyme that is most present upon wakening. The mice started eating soon after they got up, which helped their bodies break down cholesterol more efficiently. In addition, when mice eat randomly, their livers cannot switch off the glucose production process. This leads to high blood sugar levels, which damages the body. For humans, eating during the day may be beneficial because it’s been the pattern for millions of years, says Dr. Panda. The rise of eating later at night might have thrown off the circadian rhythms that evolved in humans, and might have contributed to the rise of obesity, he added. ... Dr. Mattson believes that the three-meal-a-day diet is abnormal from an evolutionary perspective and that periodically going without food strengthens the body. His studies have found that mice forced to fast are thinner and have lower levels of insulin and glucose, meaning they are at lower risk for developing diabetes. Eat breakfast + Lunch, don't eat dinner. That pattern has worked very well for me, honestly. Or a light dinner. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 03 2015,08:01
QUOTE Dr. Mattson believes that the three-meal-a-day diet is abnormal from an evolutionary perspective and that periodically going without food strengthens the body. That's why I see all those pro bodybuilders eating five meals a day. If you burn enough energy, three meals is fine. If you sit at a desk eight hours a day and only engage in light exercise during the other eight, two should suffice. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 03 2015,08:04
The problem I have is more social. My wife expects me to eat dinner with everyone.
Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 03 2015,08:23
(TheCatt @ Feb. 03 2015,10:04) QUOTE The problem I have is more social. My wife expects me to eat dinner with everyone. Bleh. Like around a table? Is it still the Dark Ages? Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 03 2015,08:49
(Malcolm @ Feb. 03 2015,11:23) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Feb. 03 2015,10:04) QUOTE The problem I have is more social. My wife expects me to eat dinner with everyone. Bleh. Like around a table? Is it still the Dark Ages? Yes, we eat breakfast and dinner together every day, at a table. Posted by TPRJones on Feb. 03 2015,09:49
I eat breakfast and then snack a little for lunch and that's it.If I waited until I got hungry to eat, I'd probably only eat twice a week. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 03 2015,10:29
(Malcolm @ Feb. 03 2015,11:23) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Feb. 03 2015,10:04) QUOTE The problem I have is more social. My wife expects me to eat dinner with everyone. Bleh. Like around a table? Is it still the Dark Ages? Yeah, we do that too. Got to condition the kid that dinner is family time for when he is a sullen teenager. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 03 2015,14:21
(TheCatt @ Jan. 06 2015,14:56) QUOTE Dietbet: The 10% contests work like this: 6 months. each of the first 5 months have 10% of the pot, with 50% of the pot in the final month. I paid $125 to join one two months ago. So that's $12.50 per first 5 month's pot, and $62.50 for final pot. Month 1 won: Grossed 17.73 (net 5.23) Month 2 won: Grossed 37.89 (net 25.64). People suck at not eating during holidays. I joined another in December, same $. Month 1 won: Grossed 19.43 (net 6.93). I also did 2 4% monthly games that have ended. Bet: $30, Grossed 51.81, net 21.81 Bet: $30, Grossed 51.88, net 21.88. So in the past two months, I have made about $81.50. Last year, I did a single 10% bet, and netted 163. If I make just 125 per 10% bet, I'll end up at $400 or so, total. Holy fuck. Don't enter the contest starting January 1st. People lose their holiday weight too easily. Just finished round 1 of contest #3. Entry: $12.50 Winnings: $13.22 Net: $0.72 December: Just won $26.16 (net $13.66) in round 2. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 04 2015,18:37
I won $41 in my $30 bet.How do they pay out? I am trying to look that up now. edit - Found the "request payout" button. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 06 2015,06:58
(TheCatt @ Feb. 03 2015,17:21) QUOTE Just finished round 1 of contest #3 (January) Entry: $12.50 Winnings: $13.22 Net: $0.72 December: Just won $26.16 (net $13.66) in round 2. Wow, the November bet is paying off really well: Month 3: 38.84 (26.34 net) Up to 122.22 Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 07 2015,06:28
I decided to go pure fitness tracker and try the Fitbit Charge HR, instead of the Surge.The Surge is large, interrupts my typing, and the smart phone stuff just isn't that good. The bluetooth cuts out a lot, and all you can receive notifications for is texts, no emails. The screen displays the same information as the Charge, but larger. It doesn't use the larger screen real estate well. The GPS is nice, but if I just use my phone (which is nice to have on runs and bike rides anyway - for music, emergencies, etc), I don't really need it. And it kills the battery. Good news is that FitBit allows for free returns for any reason (you pay shipping), and I found the Charge HR for 15% off at AT&T, and it arrives Monday. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 09 2015,14:17
Whoa. This thing (Charge HR) is sooo much smaller and lighter than the Surge was. The charger cable also connects more securely than it does on the Surge. My Surge fell out a couple of time when charging. Just arrived, charged it, trying it out.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 10 2015,16:06
Government starting to admit carbs make you fat, and has been recommending fucked up diets based on bad science for the last 30 years.Somewhere Thib is saying, "I fucking told you so." < http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health....ed.html > Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 16 2015,09:54
< Article written by a tool >.QUOTE Ochner said. "In people who have been obese for many years, he noted, "body weight seems to become biologically 'stamped in' and defended." That'd be Christopher Ochner, an assistant professor of pediatrics and psychiatry at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York, no doubt hoping you'll spring for some expensive surgery. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 20 2015,05:59
(GORDON @ Feb. 10 2015,19:06) QUOTE Government starting to admit carbs make you fat, and has been recommending fucked up diets based on bad science for the last 30 years. Somewhere Thib is saying, "I fucking told you so." < http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health....ed.html > New dietary recommendations are out, and only 600 pages long. Our federal government, ladies and gentlemen. Also, they are still pushing the carbs they just don't call them carbs. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 20 2015,08:39
QUOTE Also, they are still pushing the carbs they just don't call them carbs. Unobtanium? Posted by GORDON on Feb. 20 2015,11:32
They call them "whole grains." Still carbs.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 20 2015,16:22
< Lifting good. >I need someone to show me how to lift. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 20 2015,16:27
If you can't do it slow and steady, you can't do it, so drop some weight. Injuries are caused by trying to do too much without clean movements.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 20 2015,17:01
No, I need someone to tell me how to lift, period.
Posted by GORDON on Feb. 20 2015,17:23
Oh.Well most machines have little diagrams on them. Do those and then move on to dumbbells when you are ready. And a lot of peeps will do upper body one day, alternating legs the next. Or whatever. Just get a personal trainer. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 20 2015,19:47
(GORDON @ Feb. 20 2015,19:23) QUOTE Oh. Well most machines have little diagrams on them. Do those and then move on to dumbbells when you are ready. And a lot of peeps will do upper body one day, alternating legs the next. Or whatever. Just get a personal trainer. Machine motion != free weight motion. A still photo and a couple arrows aren't a good explanation. If you want to get technique down, YouTube some vids and get a mirror. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 20 2015,19:48
I have probably forgotten more about lifting than your mom ever learned about.... sweet... tender... love...or something. Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 21 2015,06:08
(TheCatt @ Feb. 20 2015,20:01) QUOTE No, I need someone to tell me how to lift, period. You got a gym membership, or some weights? We should do lunch or something, I can bring you some books, but yes youtube is pretty decent as well. Also, nothing wrong with starting on machines. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 21 2015,10:40
Machines are fine to get the technique down initially. But real work is done with free weights.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 23 2015,17:10
I've got a gym membership. At home, I have < Adjustable dumbbells. > Oh, and I have a universal weight machine now that I forgot about. (So I can do lat pulldowns, etc)What I'm looking for is something that I can do in 30 minutes, 2-3 times per week. I had a previous routine of: Dumbbell Squats, Dumbbell lunges, Push-ups, and Pull-ups. But I got lazy and stopped. A home routine 2x/week, gym 1x/week would be nice. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 23 2015,19:14
If you get a fitness ball and some space at home, you should be able to use those dumbbells to good effect. The weight machine's a decent enough alternative to the free weights and solid bars at the gym.
Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 24 2015,08:11
(TheCatt @ Feb. 23 2015,20:10) QUOTE I've got a gym membership. At home, I have < Adjustable dumbbells. > Oh, and I have a universal weight machine now that I forgot about. (So I can do lat pulldowns, etc) What I'm looking for is something that I can do in 30 minutes, 2-3 times per week. I had a previous routine of: Dumbbell Squats, Dumbbell lunges, Push-ups, and Pull-ups. But I got lazy and stopped. A home routine 2x/week, gym 1x/week would be nice. I got the perfect book for you. When we get thawed out, I'll bring it. Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 24 2015,08:13
< This >?
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 24 2015,08:20
(thibodeaux @ Feb. 24 2015,11:11) QUOTE I got the perfect book for you. When we get thawed out, I'll bring it. Thanks! I'll buy you lunch at the pig place on 54. One problem I have is a bad knee and a bad shoulder. The shoulder I've been strengthening with swimming, and the knee with biking/running, but need less aerobic exercise to develop the muscles around those joints. Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 24 2015,16:21
(TheCatt @ Feb. 24 2015,11:20) QUOTE (thibodeaux @ Feb. 24 2015,11:11) QUOTE I got the perfect book for you. When we get thawed out, I'll bring it. Thanks! I'll buy you lunch at the pig place on 54. Word. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 01 2015,16:33
OK, started lifting again today:Squats with dumbbells (started with 50 pounds). Lunges (no weights) Pushups Planks Dumbbell rows. I will be sore tomorrow. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 01 2015,16:35
Yeah, best to ease into it slow. Being sore for 4 days saps your motivation. But, probably too late.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 01 2015,16:40
(GORDON @ Mar. 01 2015,19:35) QUOTE Yeah, best to ease into it slow. Being sore for 4 days saps your motivation. But, probably too late. The sad thing is, I did ease into it. Lower weights and reps. But apparently not low enough based on how my quads/hammies feel Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 02 2015,11:50
< Treadmill test predicting longevity >QUOTE Metabolism was calculated using "metabolic equivalent of tasks" or METs, a measure of how much energy someone expends during a task. The higher MET level achieved, the more likely it was the subject would last another decade. The closer someone came to reaching their maximum heart rate as they ran, the more likely they were to die within ten years, compared to someone who only reached about 85 percent of their maximum heart rate during the test. Maximum heart rate was determined by subtracting the subject’s age from 220, a formula that’s been used for decades by exercisers and doctors alike. Shit. When I do sprints and such, I routinely exceed 180. Not sure what the exact test they are doing is. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 02 2015,12:08
I lost a round of one of the Dietbets, finally. Slacked off this past month. Should still win the two other bets though. And the one I lost is the one I won like 50 cents on last round, so no big loss.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 02 2015,12:08
Light to moderate intensity cardio for medium time seems far safer and more productive than intensive training. I get the feeling your cardio and respiratory systems don't like red lining for long periods of time.
Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 02 2015,12:17
Hell, with that formula I hit max heart rate just standing up.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 02 2015,12:24
(TPRJones @ Mar. 02 2015,14:17) QUOTE Hell, with that formula I hit max heart rate just standing up. Your standing heart rate is 180 bpm? Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 02 2015,17:13
Well, okay, not really just standing. But walking to the treadmill for the test would probably do it.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 02 2015,17:24
Please don't die, TPR.
Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 02 2015,17:41
Eh, who wants to live forever? If family history is any indication, shaving off a decade or two off the end is a kindness.Realistically I think I've got at least another presidency in me. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 02 2015,20:28
QUOTE Realistically I think I've got at least another presidency in me. Like a Castro presidency? Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 02 2015,21:37
Oh, god, no. I think more of a one-term failed Romney is more likely.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 05 2015,14:25
Ate a maple bacon bar donut today.Mmmmmm Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 05 2015,15:21
(TheCatt @ Mar. 05 2015,16:25) QUOTE Ate a maple bacon bar donut today. Mmmmmm True story last week at work: I saw some free doughnuts lying around. Reached for one, but they were all decorated green and yellow. Stopped. Couldn't. Fucking Packers. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 05 2015,15:30
That's how I feel about Dunkin Donuts.
Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 05 2015,16:48
I was so excited when a Dunkin Donuts opened up on my side of town, because I'd never had them before and was looking forward to a new donut experience.I was exceedingly whelmed. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 05 2015,18:36
(TPRJones @ Mar. 05 2015,19:48) QUOTE I was so excited when a Dunkin Donuts opened up on my side of town, because I'd never had them before and was looking forward to a new donut experience. I was exceedingly whelmed. Dunkin Donuts stopped using transfat in the mid 00's. They have sucked ever since. Also, many stores do not cook their own donuts, so their made at a centralized store or factory and trucked in. Both are heinous crimes against donuts. Posted by TPRJones on Mar. 05 2015,21:13
It's a shortcoming of living where I do that there aren't very many good donuts around. The kolaches are awesome, but the donuts are lacking.The best we have around here is Shipley's. Meh. Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 05 2015,22:18
(TPRJones @ Mar. 05 2015,23:13) QUOTE It's a shortcoming of living where I do that there aren't very many good donuts around. The kolaches are awesome, but the donuts are lacking. The best we have around here is Shipley's. Meh. < We got this >. They have multiple types of bacon donuts. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 06 2015,04:53
We have 3 donut places that are pretty awesome around here. All of them arrived within the past 2 years. Donut Renaissance.
Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 06 2015,06:35
(TheCatt @ Feb. 06 2015,09:58) QUOTE Up to 122.22 I am a dumb ass. I wasn't paying attention when I weighed in, so lost 2 different contests, instead of 1. I totally could have won 2. Oh well. Jan contest - lost $12.50 (knew I would lose) Dec contest - lost $12.50 (should have won $30), by a pound. Nov contest - Won $40.45 (net: $28) Up 125.22 Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 24 2015,10:34
< How long > can you skip working out before your body starts to feel the effects?QUOTE The findings of a new study published in the Journal of Applied Physiology says that after you hit a 14 day mark of abstinence from the gym, the body starts to experience a loss in cardiovascular fitness, insulin sensitivity and lean muscle mass.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 07 2015,07:23
(TheCatt @ Mar. 06 2015,09:35) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Feb. 06 2015,09:58) QUOTE Up to 122.22 I am a dumb ass. I wasn't paying attention when I weighed in, so lost 2 different contests, instead of 1. I totally could have won 2. Oh well. Jan contest - lost $12.50 (knew I would lose) Dec contest - lost $12.50 (should have won $30), by a pound. Nov contest - Won $40.45 (net: $28) Up 125.22 27.44 + 33.32 + 37.89 - 37.50 = 61.15 Up 125.22 + 61.15 = 186.37 Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 09 2015,05:36
Oh bam! When I signed up for the 3 contests, I accidentally signed up for $25 of weekly weigh-in tokens. You can submit 1 per week, and be entered in a prize drawing. It's too much effort for me to actually do that each week, so I only enter those weigh-ins when I do my monthly weigh-ins. Well, today, I won $75 Amazon GC in the weekly drawing! For some reason, I thought the drawings were across ALL active players, but it turns out it's per game. There are 382 people in my game. If only 1/2 of those people bought tokens, and there are 2 prizes per week, I realize I actually have about a 1% chance per week. Maybe I should enter more often... Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 19 2015,17:11
I am weak. But, I can do 4 pull-ups, twice in a row, now. Up from 2 at a time.
Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 20 2015,03:51
Those get easier the more weight you lose
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 20 2015,16:23
(thibodeaux @ Apr. 20 2015,06:51) QUOTE Those get easier the more weight you lose ![]() Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 21 2015,13:41
You know what's fun? Casually mentioning to a woman, "I'm trying to gain weight. Do you know how hard it is to eat 3,000 calories?"
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 21 2015,14:43
(thibodeaux @ Apr. 21 2015,16:41) QUOTE You know what's fun? Casually mentioning to a woman, "I'm trying to gain weight. Do you know how hard it is to eat 3,000 calories?" < This place can help. > Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 21 2015,14:54
(thibodeaux @ Apr. 21 2015,15:41) QUOTE You know what's fun? Casually mentioning to a woman, "I'm trying to gain weight. Do you know how hard it is to eat 3,000 calories?" Careful, or you'll get the wise-ass response involving being pregnant. Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 23 2015,16:33
I went keto Monday afternoon. Kinda blew it tonight with half a cookie (30g carbs) + 4 hersheys kisses, so we'll see.I've got a 50 mile bike ride Saturday morning... maybe I should have gone keto then. Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 24 2015,15:09
Maybe after; you're gonna want some glycogen in those muscles for the bike ride.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 25 2015,10:08
(thibodeaux @ Apr. 24 2015,18:09) QUOTE Maybe after; you're gonna want some glycogen in those muscles for the bike ride. I took in about 100g/400 calories of carbs during the 3 hour ride, could certainly feel when they kicked in. Quit eating carbs with 15 miles left to go. So I should be solidly in keto still. Burned 2,485 calories during the ride according to fitbit. I could definitely tell the difference on sprints and hills, but I managed. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 25 2015,18:04
Dieting motivation.![]() Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 26 2015,17:16
(TheCatt @ Apr. 19 2015,20:11) QUOTE I am weak. But, I can do 4 pull-ups, twice in a row, now. Up from 2 at a time. Turns out I'm doing chin ups, not pullups. Pullups are a bitch. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 26 2015,18:01
What's the difference? We called them "pull ups" in the Marines but you were allowed to hold your hands either way.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 26 2015,18:03
(GORDON @ Apr. 26 2015,21:01) QUOTE What's the difference? We called them "pull ups" in the Marines but you were allowed to hold your hands either way. Internet seems to say: chin-ups = palms facing (more bicep) pull-ups = palms away (more lats) Posted by GORDON on Apr. 26 2015,18:11
Huh.Like I said, the Marines don't care how you do it, as long as your chin is breaking the plane of the bar. I always did mine palms-away, more lats. You had to do 20. Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 27 2015,18:05
(GORDON @ Apr. 26 2015,21:11) QUOTE I always did mine palms-away, more lats. You had to do 20. Unless you're a woman. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 27 2015,18:21
Heh, yeah. They did "flexed arm hang," IIRC.We didn't have any wimmins in my combat unit. Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 27 2015,21:12
Got tired of buying Monster drinks when all I wanted was the stimulant. Bought 100g of powdered caffeine for $10 after shipping. Should be good for about a year and save $60/month. Still on < Soylent >, up to v1.4. Awesome for lazy people. Enough protein content to replace any supplement of that sort you're using. Drinking it straight, like coffee and cough syrup, is an acquired taste, particularly with the new version. I recommend dropping fruits or vegetables in the blender with it. Flavouring 2.5 pints of 'shine, so I occasionally use fruit soaked with booze.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 30 2015,16:18
(TheCatt @ Apr. 19 2015,20:11) QUOTE I am weak. But, I can do 4 pull-ups, twice in a row, now. Up from 2 at a time. 5! Then 4, then 4 again. And it turns out that when I was doing the 4-4, I was using an rubber band assist that I thought was only 25 lbs. Turns out it's 35lbs, but can be more depending on how it's set. Making progress. Posted by thibodeaux on May 05 2015,04:01
< Cardio Kills >:QUOTE Mr. Goldberg left his room around 4 p.m. on Friday, collapsed while exercising and died of head trauma and blood loss, said the spokesman. His brother, Robert Goldberg, found him on the floor of a gym at around 7 p.m., with blood around him. The spokesman said it appeared “he fell off the treadmill and cracked his head open.”
Posted by TheCatt on May 06 2015,06:19
(TheCatt @ Apr. 07 2015,10:23) QUOTE 27.44 + 33.32 + 37.89 - 37.50 = 61.15 Up 125.22 + 61.15 = 186.37 1 contest ended, two more still going: Nov-May contest: Final round: 182.52 Dec-Jun contest: 36.83 - 12.50 = 24.33 Jan -Jul contest : 29.27 - 12.50 = 16.77 Up 186.37 + 223.62 = 409.99 Posted by TPRJones on May 06 2015,06:38
Wait, you've lost over 400 pounds? In how long?
Posted by TheCatt on May 06 2015,06:59
(TPRJones @ May 06 2015,09:38) QUOTE Wait, you've lost over 400 pounds? In how long? Lol... I'm UP $. Down lbs. Those were all $ I've won. Posted by TheCatt on May 08 2015,16:24
OK, officially down from 204.4 to 191.2 (without clothes). Down 13.2 pounds in 16 days.Body fat down from 25.4% (52.43 lbs of fat) to 19.6% (37.87 lbs of fat), which implies all weight lost has been fat, essentially. Muscle % up slightly, 37.9 to 38.3% Doing 1500 to 1800 calories a day, up to 60g of carbs a day. Lots of cardio, weight lifting 3x/week. Goal is 10-12.5% body fat, more muscle, so around ~175 given current parameters. Posted by TheCatt on May 21 2015,06:02
(TheCatt @ May 08 2015,19:24) QUOTE OK, officially down from 204.4 to 191.2 (without clothes). Down 13.2 pounds in 16 days. Body fat down from 25.4% (52.43 lbs of fat) to 19.6% (37.87 lbs of fat), which implies all weight lost has been fat, essentially. Muscle % up slightly, 37.9 to 38.3% Down to 185 this morning (without clothes). 19.4 lbs lost. Body fat was 18.4% the other day, have not remeasured today. Ate some carbs this weekend, which really slowed down the weight loss, and knocked me out of ketosis. But the fried ice cream was delicious. Muscle holding around 38%. Goal is about 10 more pounds, and to be able to eat the occasional donut while maintaining. Posted by TheCatt on May 21 2015,06:03
(TheCatt @ May 06 2015,09:19) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Apr. 07 2015,10:23) QUOTE 27.44 + 33.32 + 37.89 - 37.50 = 61.15 Up 125.22 + 61.15 = 186.37 1 contest ended, two more still going: Nov-May contest: Final round: 182.52 Dec-Jun contest: 36.83 - 12.50 = 24.33 Jan -Jul contest : 29.27 - 12.50 = 16.77 Up 186.37 + 223.62 = 409.99 So in addition to the $75 Amazon GC that I won a few weeks ago, I won a hand-blender today! Too bad there's only 2 more weeks to win side prizes. I should have been entering that side contest the whole time. I guess that means I'm really up 484.99 + the blender. Posted by TheCatt on May 21 2015,15:09
(TheCatt @ May 21 2015,09:02) QUOTE Goal is about 10 more pounds, and to be able to eat the occasional donut while maintaining. In 31 days, I accomplished the following: Weight: 205.6 -> 185.6 Body Fat: 25.6% -> 16.5% (52.6lbs to 30.6 lbs) Muscle: 35.0% -> 39.9% (72.0lbs to 74.0 lbs) Given that I still have a fair amount of belly, I would have guessed the body fat % was higher than 16.5%. If all those numbers are accurate, that's pretty freaking impressive for 31 days. Obviously the scales are not 100% accurate, but either way, all the trend lines are positive. I did a 5.5 mile jog this afternoon, and re-entered ketosis. Feels good. Posted by thibodeaux on May 21 2015,17:35
kudos!
Posted by TheCatt on May 21 2015,17:39
(thibodeaux @ May 21 2015,20:35) QUOTE kudos! Thanks! I still haven't read the books you've given me. It's been hard to lift reliably at this calorie deficit. Goal is to drop about 10 more pounds, then work on muscle mass. Posted by thibodeaux on May 22 2015,12:52
Protein and creatine beeeeetch!
Posted by TheCatt on May 29 2015,03:22
Today weighed in (first thing in the morning) at 178. I'm a bit dehydrated, and partial fasted (no dinner) yesterday.From here on out the goal is body composition. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 01 2015,06:34
Ate a shitload of carbs and got rehydrated this weekend... Gained 10 pounds.But... I ran my fastest 5k in 5 years. (Note: still not fast) Posted by GORDON on Jun. 01 2015,06:42
(TheCatt @ Jun. 01 2015,09:34) QUOTE Ate a shitload of carbs and got rehydrated this weekend... Gained 10 pounds. Sometimes you just want to say FUCK YOU, PERSONAL BODY WEIGHT. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 01 2015,06:52
(GORDON @ Jun. 01 2015,09:42) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Jun. 01 2015,09:34) QUOTE Ate a shitload of carbs and got rehydrated this weekend... Gained 10 pounds. Sometimes you just want to say FUCK YOU, PERSONAL BODY WEIGHT. I do want to ask my body "Hey, you don't need these fat stores, why hold on to them? I mean really, have you ever REALLY been starving?" Posted by GORDON on Jun. 01 2015,07:03
Saw your facebook pics... you're looking svelte. Nice job.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 01 2015,07:06
(GORDON @ Jun. 01 2015,10:03) QUOTE Saw your facebook pics... you're looking svelte. Nice job. Thanks! That was after two days of carbs, too... (up 8 pounds from low). Goal now is working on more muscle/less fat. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 01 2015,10:26
Graph of my resting heart rate: Guess when I started eating carbs?![]() Posted by Leisher on Jun. 01 2015,12:26
I think I'll be doing one of these bets. Possibly starting this evening. Getting into fighting shape for Disney. Plus, I saw the trailer for Entourage where Rhonda Rousey says if you last 1 minute in the ring with her, she'll fuck you. I need to be ready for that. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 01 2015,12:29
Yeah, I was thinking about taking her up on that. I can take a beating.
Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 01 2015,12:41
(Leisher @ Jun. 01 2015,14:26) QUOTE Plus, I saw the trailer for Entourage where Rhonda Rousey says if you last 1 minute in the ring with her, she'll fuck you. I need to be ready for that. Needs to be the opposite. If you fuck her and that takes less than a minute, then she gets to beat the shit out of you in the ring. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 01 2015,12:46
(Leisher @ Jun. 01 2015,15:26) QUOTE I think I'll be doing one of these bets. Possibly starting this evening. Getting into fighting shape for Disney. Plus, I saw the trailer for Entourage where Rhonda Rousey says if you last 1 minute in the ring with her, she'll fuck you. I need to be ready for that. The dietbets have been nothing but $ for me. You can easily lose a real 10 pounds, then fake the rest with dehydration/no carb, honestly. Posted by GORDON on Jun. 01 2015,12:47
(TheCatt @ Jun. 01 2015,15:46) QUOTE (Leisher @ Jun. 01 2015,15:26) QUOTE I think I'll be doing one of these bets. Possibly starting this evening. Getting into fighting shape for Disney. Plus, I saw the trailer for Entourage where Rhonda Rousey says if you last 1 minute in the ring with her, she'll fuck you. I need to be ready for that. The dietbets have been nothing but $ for me. You can easily lose a real 10 pounds, then fake the rest with dehydration/no carb, honestly. And a big meal right before your first weigh-in. Posted by Leisher on Jun. 01 2015,12:54
(Malcolm @ Jun. 01 2015,15:41) QUOTE (Leisher @ Jun. 01 2015,14:26) QUOTE Plus, I saw the trailer for Entourage where Rhonda Rousey says if you last 1 minute in the ring with her, she'll fuck you. I need to be ready for that. Needs to be the opposite. If you fuck her and that takes less than a minute, then she gets to beat the shit out of you in the ring. That's one of the smartest things you've ever posted. QUOTE And a big meal right before your first weigh-in. So I shouldn't join AND start working out tonight? Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 01 2015,13:05
Also, you can do up to 3 contests at a time. And the final round is HALF the payout. So you could go slow/lose a few rounds the first two months, (assuming you do 3 6-month ones), and win a lot at the end.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 04 2015,06:03
(TheCatt @ May 06 2015,09:19) QUOTE 1 contest ended, two more still going: Nov-May contest: Final round: 182.52 Dec-Jun contest: 36.83 - 12.50 = 24.33 Jan -Jul contest : 29.27 - 12.50 = 16.77 Up 186.37 + 223.62 = 409.99 1 more ended, 1 to go. 409.99 + 102.28 + 15.48 = 527.75 so far Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 06 2015,19:14
Started rock climbing a couple of months ago. I'm pretty bad at it, particularly due to lack of finger strength. I did towel pull ups [wrap a towel around the pull up bar and grab with one hand while other hand grips bar] to help forearm and grip strength. Hard. I think I managed 3.
Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 07 2015,09:55
Busted out an international distance triathlon (training, not a race) this morning. 1.5km swim, 40km bike, 10km run.That run was alright until I hit about 5 miles in. Then my body just wanted to stop. It was like "OK, enough, let's walk home and drink an ocean of Gatorade"... forced myself to keep going, but it was tough. This upcoming weekend I'm doing an < offroad triathlon >. Shorter distances than I went today: 880 yard swim, 14 mile bike, 3.1 mile run but all offroad (lake swim, mountain bike instead of road bike, and trail run). woot woot Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 09 2015,14:32
I went from 203 to 178 in 1 month by getting rid of carbs, and lifting weights, and being dehyrdated that last day. I was really around 182, properly hydrated.I added the carbs back, and am up to 190. I've also posted my fastest 10k (58:30) ever and my first international distance triathlon (1.5k swim / 40k bike / 10k run) ever. During the tri, despite drinking/eating about 45-50 ounces of liquid/food, I lost 6 pounds of liquid, which I gained back later that day. According to my fit bit, I burned > 5,000 calories that day. Posted by thibodeaux on Jun. 09 2015,17:04
(TheCatt @ Jun. 09 2015,17:32) QUOTE I went from 203 to 178 in 1 month by getting rid of carbs, and lifting weights, and being dehyrdated that last day. I was really around 182, properly hydrated. That's still pretty damn good Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 12 2015,11:04
< Interesting book about genes, adaptability, and potential for people to grow muscle, get fit, etc. >Basically, training is good, but training + good genes = best. And same training, different people = different results. (Kinda obvious, but he goes into good details and stories explaining it). One interesting point: The more difficult a task (say, math), the better all people got by training. But, the people who improved the most were the people who were the best at first. At any rate, makes me wish I could get my genomes sequenced to find out all these details, and better understand my potential for various things. Thib - Another interesting point was the 5:1 ratio of muscle:bone weight, basically meaning you cannot get more than 5x your bone mass in muscle mass. Which reminded me of when we were talking the other day and you had talked about basically leveling out on strength gains. Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 12 2015,11:15
QUOTE One interesting point: The more difficult a task (say, math), the better all people got by training. But, the people who improved the most were the people who were the best at first. I thought that was given for any learned skill. Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 12 2015,11:19
(Malcolm @ Jun. 12 2015,14:15) QUOTE QUOTE One interesting point: The more difficult a task (say, math), the better all people got by training. But, the people who improved the most were the people who were the best at first. I thought that was given for any learned skill. Clearly you're not familiar with educational policy. Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 12 2015,11:36
(TheCatt @ Jun. 12 2015,13:19) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Jun. 12 2015,14:15) QUOTE QUOTE One interesting point: The more difficult a task (say, math), the better all people got by training. But, the people who improved the most were the people who were the best at first. I thought that was given for any learned skill. Clearly you're not familiar with educational policy. I'm quite familiar with my educational policy. Unless it's a trick with very low ceiling, like tying shoes, I fail to see how logic allows for any other outcome. Want to be good at something? Practice will suffice most of the time. Want to be exceptional? You need some type of predisposition or instinct on top of practice, i.e. shit you can't learn. Posted by thibodeaux on Jun. 13 2015,03:00
(TheCatt @ Jun. 12 2015,14:04) QUOTE Thib - Another interesting point was the 5:1 ratio of muscle:bone weight, basically meaning you cannot get more than 5x your bone mass in muscle mass. Which reminded me of when we were talking the other day and you had talked about basically leveling out on strength gains. I only got the one big bone... Posted by Malcolm on Jun. 13 2015,11:03
Like this?![]() Posted by TheCatt on Jun. 13 2015,19:30
Today I did an off-road triathlon.880 yd (1/2 mile) lake swim. 14 miles of single-track mountain bike (on trails I've never ridden before) 3.1 mile trail run (lots of steep hills). Fuck me. I knew it'd be a challenge, but it kicked my ass. The 91/92 degree weather didn't help. I was sweating buckets before we even started. I did OK in the swim (top half), but not well in the biking or run (~70/93 in each)... just glad I finished by the end. 131 people signed up, only 93 finished. I don't know how many people DNF'd (or simply didn't show up), so technically, I finished like 72 / 131 ![]() Posted by TheCatt on Jul. 09 2015,14:47
![]() That dog didn't look great to me? Posted by Alhazad on Jul. 09 2015,19:20
(TheCatt @ Jul. 09 2015,14:47) QUOTE ![]() That dog didn't look great to me? I bet that dog's genitals have been mutilated for the owner's convenience. Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 11 2015,07:07
Quit eating carbs again.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 17 2015,11:59
I started an exercise program Saturday morning along with different meal choices.Woke up this morning and weighed myself for giggles and I was down 5 pounds. Posted by Alhazad on Aug. 17 2015,12:19
(TheCatt @ Aug. 11 2015,07:07) QUOTE Quit eating carbs again. What's your diet soda choice? I liked Zevia, even though it made me feel like a gay hipster. Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 17 2015,14:07
(Alhazad @ Aug. 17 2015,15:19) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Aug. 11 2015,07:07) QUOTE Quit eating carbs again. What's your diet soda choice? I liked Zevia, even though it made me feel like a gay hipster. I have never heard of Zevia before. Diet Sierra Mist typically. 1 Diet Dr Pepper in the morning. Trying to wean myself from diet soda though and just drink more water. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 17 2015,15:14
QUOTE Trying to wean myself from diet soda though and just drink more water. Mix 2-3 different types of fruit juice together. Mix in sparkling/seltzer water if you want fizz. I've tossed in powdered gatorade and caffeine as well. Posted by Alhazad on Aug. 17 2015,15:35
(Malcolm @ Aug. 17 2015,15:14) QUOTE QUOTE Trying to wean myself from diet soda though and just drink more water. Mix 2-3 different types of fruit juice together. Mix in sparkling/seltzer water if you want fizz. I've tossed in powdered gatorade and caffeine as well. Yeah, or just put cupfuls of corn syrup straight into an IV so you get < the full kick >. QUOTE "The human body isn't designed to process this form of sugar at such high levels," Goran said in a statement. "Unlike glucose, which serves as fuel for the body, fructose is processed almost entirely in the liver where it is converted to fat, which increases risk for diabetes, cardiovascular disease and liver disease."
Posted by GORDON on Aug. 17 2015,16:27
(Leisher @ Aug. 17 2015,14:59) QUOTE I started an exercise program Saturday morning along with different meal choices. Woke up this morning and weighed myself for giggles and I was down 5 pounds. I've lost 4 since Sunday. That was a MASSIVE shit. Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 17 2015,16:46
Al beat me to it.But yes, the point was no sugar. QUOTE Mix 2-3 different types of fruit juice together. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 17 2015,19:45
QUOTE Yeah, or just put cupfuls of corn syrup straight into an IV so you get the full kick. Hmm. Interesting. Been cutting mine with 50% water for a bit. I'm not drinking the equivalent of four cans of apple juice per day, though, and mine mainly comes after moderate or more cardio. I'll still take 8-12 oz. of juice with bonus vitamin C over cola. Apparently, you can get < this other powder > with no sugar ... no not that one. I also cannot overemphasize how awesome < this > has been. Do not let the < stupids > sway you. QUOTE Recommended doses range between 1/64 and 1/16 of a teaspoon. It's really hard to safely use that amount of caffeine powder, something that most of the companies acknowledge with warning labels (some small, some large). No, it's not. Buy a $20 digital scale. They all go down to 100s of mg, which is all the detail you need. I got almost two years of caffeine for $10. Make some buzz (soda) water and flavour it from there as you like. I'm comfortably level at 200mg per week day, half at once. As a side note: I did have a huge-ass syringe of glucose slowly injected into me for an experiment back in the day. Felt viscous as fucking gelatin. Posted by Leisher on Aug. 23 2015,10:05
Down 10 pounds since last Saturday.Although airport food means extra exercise tonight. Posted by GORDON on Aug. 23 2015,12:00
I lost 7 between last Sunday and Friday, but the weekend campout means the diet was blown. Needed to eat SOMETHING and all that is there was burgs and dogs and everybody was getting drunk, too, so.So diet continues tomorrow. Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 24 2015,07:43
I'm getting fat.I need a treadmill desk Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 28 2015,09:38
I bought a DeskCycle. It's a little "bike" that goes under your desk, and you can pedal while working.200 minutes today. Posted by Malcolm on Aug. 28 2015,09:49
(TheCatt @ Aug. 28 2015,11:38) QUOTE I bought a DeskCycle. It's a little "bike" that goes under your desk, and you can pedal while working. 200 minutes today. So you bought a mounted wheel with pedals? Posted by TheCatt on Aug. 28 2015,10:22
Yes. Worth it.
Posted by Leisher on Aug. 28 2015,14:22
Only gained 1 pound back in SC eating out every night.
Posted by Malcolm on Sep. 23 2015,10:34
< Comparison of fruits and vegetables >.Short version... Kick-ass fruits: QUOTE After accounting for age and gender and other factors that affect weight gain patterns, researchers found that those who increased their intake of blueberries, prunes, apples, pears, strawberries, grapes (or raisins) and grapefruit were least likely to gain much weight. Kick-ass vegetables: QUOTE The breakdown of vegetables gave very high marks to consumers who increased their intake of tofu and soy.
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 02 2015,12:29
I gained enough weight back that I signed up for a bunch of those 10% off games again. ![]() Posted by Leisher on Oct. 02 2015,17:15
Men should not eat soy in big quantities. It's bad for us.
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 02 2015,17:28
Yeah, I avoid soy like the plague.
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 02 2015,19:13
Turns out you can do 3 1-month contests + 3 6-month contests at once. I signed up for 6, we'll see.
Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 03 2015,06:25
I lost 5 pounds by having strep twice in one month. :\
Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 03 2015,07:40
(thibodeaux @ Oct. 03 2015,09:25) QUOTE I lost 5 pounds by having strep twice in one month. :\ I'm gonna try other methods. Although, in high school I lost 10 pounds in a month by having mono that lasted forever. And in Mexico I lost a bunch of weight by having constant diarrhea. How did it come back again? And do you have to have tonsils to get strep? Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 03 2015,08:07
I have tonsils. I reckon it came back b/c the minute clinic prescribed penicillin, which evidently didn't kill it all.Either that or somebody in my house is a carrier. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 03 2015,08:48
I got you all beat... I went from 200 to 155 during a 6 month round of chemo.
Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 03 2015,11:10
I think I'd rather have strep.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 08 2015,18:41
So I've been hitting the gym at the YMCA 3 times a week when I take the MIL to old-lady-water-aerobics. They have a decent gym, a circuit of nautilus-type machines, free weights in the middle, and a running track surrounding it all. I never have a spotter and still have dodgy nerves in my hands due to my old nerve disease, so I just stick to the machines.... and I don't even do my own system any more. I just start at the beginning and go in a circle... no thought required... and I figured out that they are actually arranged intelligently, you work one muscle group, then the next machine hits another muscle group to let the first one rest, and the next machine hits that first muscle group again... etc. And at the end is legs.Anyway, I don't want to carry a fucking notebook even though I'd like to keep track of my weight and reps and sets... but I thought of a 21st century solution that someone needs to do: A set of machines with either Bluetooth functionality, or a fucking USB port. Bluetooth if you can make it sensitive enough to recognize your smart phone between that machine and the one 3 feet away next to it. But a thumb drive with software on it, you plug it in to the machine you are on, it tells you the last weight/reps/set you did, and records what you did this time. Later you can plug it in to your PC and get graphs and stats and stuff. Upload your data to their website and it'll tell you, depending on if your goal is weight loss, strength training, or bulking up, what you should be doing next... and if you want it tells the app on your thumb drive and you can have the machine tell you what you should be doing to achieve your goal. Anyway, yeah, someone invent that and give my my 10% invention fee. Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 09 2015,06:16
It's the internet of things!
Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 09 2015,06:49
Isn't all that what fitbits do?
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 09 2015,07:05
A fitbit knows the difference between a shoulder press and bench press and seated row?
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 09 2015,07:31
I actually own a fitbit with the HR monitor that I no longer use. I've found that it's FAR superior to the iWatch at tracking your exercise and heart rate. It's like new. I'd be willing to part with it for the right price...And if you're looking for something to track specific exercises, use your smart phone. You're probably using it to listen to music while you work out (or not). It'd be easy to use the voice recorder to note what exercise, the reps, and weight after each, then you could go home and stick it into a spreadsheet. Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 09 2015,07:36
QUOTE A fitbit knows the difference between a shoulder press and bench press and seated row? No idea, but if not it certainly should. With motion sensors the way they are these days and a smart phone to pair up with, a well-written app would be able to see you are at the gym (via GPS) and from the nature of the motions you are making be able to tell what sort of exercise you are doing. Otherwise back to the drawing board with it. Posted by Leisher on Oct. 09 2015,07:41
(TPRJones @ Oct. 09 2015,10:36) QUOTE QUOTE A fitbit knows the difference between a shoulder press and bench press and seated row? No idea, but if not it certainly should. With motion sensors the way they are these days and a smart phone to pair up with, a well-written app would be able to see you are at the gym (via GPS) and from the nature of the motions you are making be able to tell what sort of exercise you are doing. Otherwise back to the drawing board with it. You are correct about what they should be able to do, but sadly, it's back to the drawing board. Posted by TPRJones on Oct. 09 2015,07:52
Well that's disappointing. I thought this was supposed to be the future we were living in. Feh.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 09 2015,10:00
Motion-wise, there is no difference between a seated bench press and a seated row. Plus, the fitbit doesn't know how much weight is on the stack. You would pretty much need the machine telling you this stuff, via somehow. Now if the machine can communicate to the fitbit, great.
Posted by Leisher on Oct. 09 2015,10:15
(GORDON @ Oct. 09 2015,13:00) QUOTE Motion-wise, there is no difference between a seated bench press and a seated row. Plus, the fitbit doesn't know how much weight is on the stack. You would pretty much need the machine telling you this stuff, via somehow. Now if the machine can communicate to the fitbit, great. That's coming. I have no doubt about that. The iWatch and iPhone and Fitbit and yada yada can already share information to each other and your PC and yada yada. So having the actual machines join that "discussion" is a no brainer. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 09 2015,10:25
My idea is still valid, though. I don't care what method they use, and I provided two examples, but the weight machines should do this simple data collection for you, and you should be able to analyze that data however you want, to the point where your thumb drive (or whatever) will transfer processed data back to the machine and just tell you what you should be doing, today.
Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 09 2015,10:57
Yeah, you really need the workout machines playing along with this one. If you can bump two goddamn phones together and share info, you can do something similar here.
Posted by GORDON on Oct. 09 2015,13:50
So one of you get on this, do all the work, and give me my 10%.Better yet, form a team. Let me know if you need any more design insight. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 26 2015,17:01
Lifting again is making me feel great. One night early on I went to bed and rolled over into my stomach... and I felt like I was lying on something... I'm like, "What is this..." turns out it was just my pecs getting all muscle toned. Not used to that any more.Problem is, I am mainly trying to lose weight. I am getting a lot stronger, but I am not dropping the pounds. Yes, I am prolly losing fat and gaining muscle... but I still need to lose about 30 more pounds, total, by March. Thinking maybe I need to hit my strength goal, and then just maintain that and really drop the carbs out of the diet. Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 26 2015,17:10
I dropped carbs. When I do it, I try to induce ketosis as quickly as possible. I eat in the morning, then exercise throughout the day to burn off glycogen stores, with no more meals, just water.I did that yesterday, no carbs for breakfast or lunch, and was making a ton of ketones by this afternoon. I'm mostly trying for weight loss right now. Doing push-ups only. Posted by thibodeaux on Oct. 26 2015,17:23
A couple of suggestions for youse both:1. Skip breakfast, or at least try to go for as close to 16 hours of fasting as you can 2. During this fasted state, roll with some caffeine and maybe do a little light cardio (brisk walk) toward the end of it 3. Do some hi-intensity intervals. I used to do Tabata sprints, but you could do some stationary bike intervals. QUOTE One night early on I went to bed and rolled over into my stomach... and I felt like I was lying on something... I'm like, "What is this..." Jeez, y'all gonna let him tee it up like that??? Personally I've noticed that my lats go to "sleep," like when you lay on your arm. Only it's my whole fucking side. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 26 2015,17:41
(thibodeaux @ Oct. 26 2015,20:23) QUOTE Personally I've noticed that my lats go to "sleep," like when you lay on your arm. Only it's my whole fucking side. My hand goes to sleep when I lay on my side, whichever one is attached to the higher shoulder. Kinda scary. Posted by GORDON on Oct. 26 2015,17:44
(thibodeaux @ Oct. 26 2015,20:23) QUOTE QUOTE One night early on I went to bed and rolled over into my stomach... and I felt like I was lying on something... I'm like, "What is this..." Jeez, y'all gonna let him tee it up like that??? I hadn't considered the obvious joke, probably because I am already accustomed to my big veined hog being down there. I meant it felt like my upper body was lying on something. Turns out it was just my pumped up pecs. Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 30 2015,14:51
(TheCatt @ Oct. 02 2015,15:29) QUOTE I gained enough weight back that I signed up for a bunch of those 10% off games again. ![]() I signed up for 6 games. Have lost 9 pounds. So far I've won $1.50 in 1 one game. Posted by Malcolm on Oct. 30 2015,15:10
(GORDON @ Oct. 26 2015,19:44) QUOTE (thibodeaux @ Oct. 26 2015,20:23) QUOTE QUOTE One night early on I went to bed and rolled over into my stomach... and I felt like I was lying on something... I'm like, "What is this..." Jeez, y'all gonna let him tee it up like that??? I hadn't considered the obvious joke, probably because I am already accustomed to my big veined hog being down there. I meant it felt like my upper body was lying on something. Turns out it was just my pumped up pecs. You sure it wasn't your deformed balls or perhaps your microwave has been acting up? ![]() Posted by TheCatt on Oct. 31 2015,08:39
(TheCatt @ Oct. 30 2015,17:51) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Oct. 02 2015,15:29) QUOTE I gained enough weight back that I signed up for a bunch of those 10% off games again. ![]() I signed up for 6 games. Have lost 9 pounds. So far I've won $1.50 in 1 one game. 2 more games ended, up 9.30 + 14.02 + 1.50 = 24.82 Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 06 2015,10:41
< Words >, fucking seriously, and how they affect what you eat.< Then >, there are people with IQs larger than their shoe sizes who are doing real research. Posted by Malcolm on Nov. 20 2015,10:43
< Why diets are a bitch >.
Posted by TheCatt on Nov. 20 2015,11:19
QUOTE Israeli researchers, writing in the journal Cell this week, have found that different people's bodies respond to eating the same meal very differently — which means that a diet that may work wonders for your best friend may not have the same impact on you. Seriously? Someone got paid to research this? I've know this for decades. On the other hand, a large # of people don't, as based on the various fitness boards I've visited. "Calories in/out all that matters" "No carb is the only way" "Low fat is the only way" etc, etc... Posted by GORDON on Nov. 20 2015,12:12
My trick this go round has been, "Hit the gym hard, cut out 75% of my typical carbs and sugar, and eat less."
Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 07 2015,16:21
Started lifting. I have knee issues and left shoulder issues, so trying to start slowly. One set, 4-12 reps, using a machine. Press, fly, lat pulldown, some kind of shoulder shrug thing,
Posted by GORDON on Dec. 07 2015,17:00
I do 12 reps every set.Why 12? Because 10 reps is for girls doing kegel exercises in their vaginas. Posted by Malcolm on Dec. 07 2015,17:03
(GORDON @ Nov. 20 2015,14:12) QUOTE My trick this go round has been, "Hit the gym hard, cut out 75% of my typical carbs and sugar, and eat less." Uh, your body needs calories to do work. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 07 2015,17:05
(Malcolm @ Dec. 07 2015,20:03) QUOTE (GORDON @ Nov. 20 2015,14:12) QUOTE My trick this go round has been, "Hit the gym hard, cut out 75% of my typical carbs and sugar, and eat less." Uh, your body needs calories to do work. So does your mom. I have plenty of fat reserves from which to pull calories. Kind of the point. Posted by TheCatt on Dec. 07 2015,17:25
(GORDON @ Dec. 07 2015,20:00) QUOTE I do 12 reps every set. Why 12? Because 10 reps is for girls doing kegel exercises in their vaginas. You should mix up the reps, so I hear. Posted by GORDON on Dec. 07 2015,17:40
(TheCatt @ Dec. 07 2015,20:25) QUOTE (GORDON @ Dec. 07 2015,20:00) QUOTE I do 12 reps every set. Why 12? Because 10 reps is for girls doing kegel exercises in their vaginas. You should mix up the reps, so I hear. Back when I was lifting free weights I was doing pyramidal sets, and they worked well. Start off light with high reps, end heavy with low reps, then go back down the other side in reverse. Now I just enjoy not having to think about it. If I can do 3 sets without busting a nut, then I know it is time to add another plate to the pile. Typically when I advance in weight I end up doing 3 sets of 12/10/8 (or thereabouts). Then I just keep doing that until I can do 12/12/12, then I know it is time to advance again. NBD. I have just had that "because women do 10 reps with their vagina workouts" joke in my head for a month, and needed to get it out. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 09 2016,05:58
Super Bowl morning: 208.2Day after Super bowl: 209.8 This morning: 206.8 Posted by GORDON on Feb. 09 2016,08:09
I hit 211.0 last Friday, right on schedule. This week is going to be fucked...1. I successfully fought off a flu that Unk passed to me, but for 2 days I was running a slight fever and had a medium headache and it screwed up my workouts because I just didn't wanna push hard. 2. Sunday was an all-day cub scout event, so any thought of eating right was out the window. 3. Going on a mini-vacation Wednesday, so no gym/healthy eating for a few days. But I am going to allow myself these little delays in the diet. I've been going hard for 5 (or so) months, I'll keep going hard next week. I predict 215 on Monday, but I'll be back down to 211 next Friday. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 09 2016,09:32
1. Feel you. My chest is getting heavy and congestion/coughing has just started. My wife and youngest just got over this plague.2. One day of bad eating, in my history, has little impact. I ate pizza/cookies/all kinds of crap on Super Bowl day. 3. See #2. That being said, intermittent fasting can be your friend. I tend to eat breakfast, then a late lunch, and no dinner to get back on track. Sunday was my delay day. That being said, I really, really, really, want/need to figure out how to just maintain healthy weight. So far, low carbs seems to be the answer. Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 10 2016,03:30
(TheCatt @ Feb. 09 2016,12:32) QUOTE 3. See #2. That being said, intermittent fasting can be your friend. I tend to eat breakfast, then a late lunch, and no dinner to get back on track. Ditto, although my normal routine is to skip breakfast. Sometimes when traveling (esp flying) I'll also skip lunch and just go with caffeine. Since airport food is shitty and expensive, it doesn't feel so bad. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 10 2016,04:49
(thibodeaux @ Feb. 10 2016,06:30) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Feb. 09 2016,12:32) QUOTE 3. See #2. That being said, intermittent fasting can be your friend. I tend to eat breakfast, then a late lunch, and no dinner to get back on track. Ditto, although my normal routine is to skip breakfast. Sometimes when traveling (esp flying) I'll also skip lunch and just go with caffeine. Since airport food is shitty and expensive, it doesn't feel so bad. Yeah, airports are the worst. For whatever reason, skipping lunch or breakfast doesn't work as well for me. I typically end up starving, and wanting to eat the whole world around dinner. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 10 2016,05:17
I find coffee for breakfast and a protein shake about mid morning has me not feeling hungry again until about 4 in the afternoon.... if that can be considered "fasting."
Posted by Leisher on Feb. 10 2016,07:00
(GORDON @ Feb. 10 2016,08:17) QUOTE I find coffee for breakfast and a protein shake about mid morning has me not feeling hungry again until about 4 in the afternoon.... if that can be considered "fasting." You're getting protein in a shake now? I always thought you preferred receiving it anally? Posted by Malcolm on Feb. 10 2016,07:13
(Leisher @ Feb. 10 2016,09:00) QUOTE (GORDON @ Feb. 10 2016,08:17) QUOTE I find coffee for breakfast and a protein shake about mid morning has me not feeling hungry again until about 4 in the afternoon.... if that can be considered "fasting." You're getting protein in a shake now? I always thought you preferred receiving it anally? He figured the shake out. It just took a couple tries to learn it wasn't a suppository. Posted by thibodeaux on Feb. 10 2016,12:18
(GORDON @ Feb. 10 2016,08:17) QUOTE I find coffee for breakfast and a protein shake about mid morning has me not feeling hungry again until about 4 in the afternoon.... if that can be considered "fasting." Again, there's debate, and depending on what your goals are and how your body works. My goal is fat burning and autophagy (cells cleaning out the dead stuff). Supposedly fasting around 16 hours is good for that. There's some debate as to how many calories (like, can you put cream in your coffee?) will kick you out of autophagy. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2016,11:17
So yeah I was down to 211 and then I went on this little minivacation up to Michigan, where lots of video was taken at a water park.I had been feeling a little lackadaisical about my dieting.... I have lost over 30 pounds in six months, my clothes were fitting better, and after a workout I am feeling all pumped up and hardbody.... I was thinking my goal of 190 was probably more weight than I needed to lose, and maybe 205 or so would be fine. Then I saw these vids of myself at 215 at the water park, and I see what a disgusting fatass I still am, and damn, I am newly motivated. I'm thinking maybe 185 should be my weight loss goal. Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 13 2016,11:29
(GORDON @ Feb. 13 2016,14:17) QUOTE Then I saw these vids of myself at 215 at the water park, and I see what a disgusting fatass I still am, and damn, I am newly motivated. I'm thinking maybe 185 should be my weight loss goal. You certainly look a lot better than you did 30 pounds ago. Overall, I'd say body fat's a better goal to work towards than weight. So far I'm down 21.2 pounds (204.2 this morning). Body fat is down from 30.2% to 25.0% (17 lbs lost fat). Goal is body fat around 10-14%. Posted by GORDON on Feb. 13 2016,11:37
Current body goal:![]() but less italian Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 14 2016,11:08
RHR has finally dropped below 60 again. 59 past 3 days. Not sure if it can get down to 50, but we'll see where I end up.
Posted by TheCatt on Feb. 23 2016,08:36
Back up to 208, been slack the past week.I skipped breakfast this morning, and rode my bike 30 minutes ("commute" to work on a trainer). Felt slow. Brain feels a bit slow as well. Made more mistakes typing than typical. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 02 2016,10:44
(thibodeaux @ Feb. 10 2016,15:18) QUOTE (GORDON @ Feb. 10 2016,08:17) QUOTE I find coffee for breakfast and a protein shake about mid morning has me not feeling hungry again until about 4 in the afternoon.... if that can be considered "fasting." Again, there's debate, and depending on what your goals are and how your body works. My goal is fat burning and autophagy (cells cleaning out the dead stuff). Supposedly fasting around 16 hours is good for that. There's some debate as to how many calories (like, can you put cream in your coffee?) will kick you out of autophagy. Sounds like < exercise improves autophagy, or something close to it >. QUOTE To try to understand why exercise does this, Dr Hojman and her team put under a microscope some of the tumours they had induced. They found that those from well-exercised mice contained more immune cells than equivalent tumours from inactive animals. Specifically, the former had double the number of cytotoxic T-cells, which kill off body cells that are damaged, malfunctioning or infected with viruses. They also had five times more natural killer cells, a type that sounds the alarm and attracts other immune cells.
Posted by Leisher on Mar. 02 2016,10:56
QUOTE but less italian Racist Posted by GORDON on Mar. 07 2016,07:54
A few weeks ago I mentioned a mini-vacation, 3 days in a resort up in Michigan. I weighed 211 the day we left. The place didn't have a gym, for some reason, so I went 3 days without working out for the first time in at least 6 months. And I ended up eating 3 good meals a day, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Just normal meals, not gigantic buffet carb feeding frenzies, or anything.When I got home 3 days later, I weighed 222. I gained 11 pounds in three days. It's insane. In the 3 weeks since then, things have continued to be crazy, with house guests, and snow days, and all kinds of reasons why I can't fast when I want to and work out when I want to. But I am back down to 215 today, and feeling fully motivated to get back on track. So carry on. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 07 2016,09:23
I'm at 212... up from 204... I've been cycling about as much, but eating way too much.
Posted by Malcolm on Mar. 23 2016,10:32
< Not enough walking > in Memphis.QUOTE Memphis — the city that gave us Elvis Presley and the fried peanut-butter-and-banana sandwich — ranked top of the list, with an index of 76.97 on the "fatometer." Shreveport, Louisiana, came second with 75.24; and Indianapolis placed third, with 73.88.
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 23 2016,11:38
It's weird because when I first moved to Memphis in 1999 I was stuck by how many skinny chicks with big boobs there were, everywhere. When I went back to visit in... 2014?....fatties fatties fatties.
Posted by Troy on Mar. 23 2016,11:46
Something about the produce out in California. It's incredible. Eating a lot more of it, and buying food a day or two in advance at markets/bakeries/meat shops is definitely changing my lifestyle and body.Was a 32 waist when I got here. Now the 32s are belt-necessary and the 31's I used to struggle into fit perfectly. Not really trying, just walking a lot and eating a fuckload of produce. Posted by TheCatt on Mar. 23 2016,11:46
(GORDON @ Mar. 23 2016,14:38) QUOTE It's weird because when I first moved to Memphis in 1999 I was stuck by how many skinny chicks with big boobs there were, everywhere. When I went back to visit in... 2014?....fatties fatties fatties. Odd... I was in Memphis back in 99, and it looked like just a bunch of fatties, except near the university. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 23 2016,12:48
(TheCatt @ Mar. 23 2016,14:46) QUOTE (GORDON @ Mar. 23 2016,14:38) QUOTE It's weird because when I first moved to Memphis in 1999 I was stuck by how many skinny chicks with big boobs there were, everywhere. When I went back to visit in... 2014?....fatties fatties fatties. Odd... I was in Memphis back in 99, and it looked like just a bunch of fatties, except near the university. I suspect when I was interviewing they were throwing hot chicks at me. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 26 2016,08:04
Is it rude to note that a child is obese within earshot of his parent? Just curious.
Posted by Troy on Mar. 26 2016,08:23
(GORDON @ Mar. 26 2016,11:04) QUOTE Is it rude to note that a child is obese within earshot of his parent? Just curious. I think it's allowed unless you oink at him. Posted by GORDON on Mar. 26 2016,08:56
Soooooo EEEEEEEE
Posted by GORDON on Mar. 30 2016,19:36
First day in the pool for scuba diving class is in 30 days. I want to be at 200, that day. I'm probably somewhere around 215 right now.Aaaaaaaaand GO. Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 03 2016,09:16
(GORDON @ Mar. 30 2016,22:36) QUOTE First day in the pool for scuba diving class is in 30 days. I want to be at 200, that day. I'm probably somewhere around 215 right now. Aaaaaaaaand GO. Maybe I can do that too... I keep backsliding. I tried lifting weights last night. 1 set biceps, triceps and shoulder press. My left shoulder isn't terribly happy. It's arthritic and I have a partially torn tendon in that shoulder. We'll see. I can't do leg lifting, due to knee issues in one knee (I did really light weight, like 100 lbs leg presses the other day, and couldn't use my knee for a week. Which seems odd, cuz standing up is more weight than that right?). Posted by GORDON on Apr. 03 2016,09:23
If you have to start lower, start lower, even if you think it looks stupid or is a waste of time. Do them nice and slow, full sets, just wake up those muscles and remind them that they have a job to do, then if it feels ok the next day bump up the weight by 5% and do it again, see how it feels the next day.I had my best pain yet recently, left shoulder. No idea what I did, or what it was, but for about a week I would roll over in my sleep and wake up in pain because... something. I just kept working it in the gym and for the last couple days I've been pretty good, knock on wood. Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 03 2016,10:53
QUOTE I can't do leg lifting, due to knee issues in one knee (I did really light weight, like 100 lbs leg presses the other day, and couldn't use my knee for a week. Which seems odd, cuz standing up is more weight than that right?). If you stand with 100% perfect posture, your knees are splitting weight evenly. Your body has evil, sneaky ways of knocking you out of that ideal in order to redirect force away from weak points. When you have a machine to help isolate the weak muscles, you notice more. If "really light" weight is putting your knee in decom for a week, then you ought to reevaluate your definition. Cut the weight and reps in half next time. Move through reps gradually. Tack on 5 lbs and a couple reps per set, walk around for about 30-45 seconds in between. Lather, rinse, repeat until you notice some strain. Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 04 2016,08:33
My challenge is that my issues aren't muscular. My muscles are like "hey, let's do this forever!" and my... connective tissue? joints? are the ones complaining. I'm not used to this.
Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 04 2016,08:37
(TheCatt @ Apr. 04 2016,10:33) QUOTE My challenge is that my issues aren't muscular. My muscles are like "hey, let's do this forever!" and my... connective tissue? joints? are the ones complaining. I'm not used to this. Connective tissue? Ligaments or joints? Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 04 2016,09:35
(Malcolm @ Apr. 04 2016,11:37) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Apr. 04 2016,10:33) QUOTE My challenge is that my issues aren't muscular. My muscles are like "hey, let's do this forever!" and my... connective tissue? joints? are the ones complaining. I'm not used to this. Connective tissue? Ligaments or joints? Yes. Things that are not the muscle parts are hurting. Posted by GORDON on Apr. 04 2016,16:51
(TheCatt @ Apr. 04 2016,12:35) QUOTE (Malcolm @ Apr. 04 2016,11:37) QUOTE (TheCatt @ Apr. 04 2016,10:33) QUOTE My challenge is that my issues aren't muscular. My muscles are like "hey, let's do this forever!" and my... connective tissue? joints? are the ones complaining. I'm not used to this. Connective tissue? Ligaments or joints? Yes. Things that are not the muscle parts are hurting. I have been giving it some thought, and I think the key is attitude. You've got to tell that worn-down cartilage (from too many bicycle miles) to go fuck itself and regrow before you really get pissed. Posted by Malcolm on Apr. 04 2016,17:03
Let me know when you can will an ACL back into mint condition.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 04 2016,17:11
LOL if you can't.
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 04 2016,17:20
Gordon wins. Was going to rest today, but did 4 exercises, 1 set each.
Posted by GORDON on Apr. 04 2016,17:25
But srsly, I don't know a thing about having fucked up connective tissue and/or cartilage. Maybe don't take my advice and get an MRI done before you do too much bone on bone.(Gay) Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 04 2016,19:36
(GORDON @ Apr. 04 2016,20:25) QUOTE But srsly, I don't know a thing about having fucked up connective tissue and/or cartilage. Maybe don't take my advice and get an MRI done before you do too much bone on bone. (Gay) Yeah, after reading your post in the other thread... ![]() Already had an MRI on the knee and the shoulder. Both are mildly osteoarthritic. The knee also has synovitis, which can be a sign for rheumatoid arthritis. The shoulder has partially torn bicep tendon, mild arthritis, and a labrum issue. Surgeon wanted to operate. I thought I'd try toughing it out. It really hasn't improved, but, we'll see. Posted by thibodeaux on Apr. 05 2016,03:59
< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHl24Kjp5Vs >
Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 09 2016,10:47
(TheCatt @ Apr. 04 2016,20:20) QUOTE Gordon wins. Was going to rest today, but did 4 exercises, 1 set each. I've kept it up. Still 1 set each. Going to start expanding next week. Posted by TheCatt on Apr. 10 2016,17:33
Bumped up the weights 10%.
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