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Posted on: Jul. 15 2015,09:14 |
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I fall about 50.00001% on the side of "abortion is probably morally wrong" argument, but I've always been able to clearly see the pro-abortion argument and pretty much kept my mouth shut about it and privately thought, "Why can't you just be more careful, or not a slut?"
But hearing about this, it kinda gives Planned Parenthood a fucking horror show vibe.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner....-tissue
Head of the foundation talking about how to forceps the fetus to not damage the salable parts. Christ.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jul. 15 2015,09:31 |
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That's a hell of a biased article.
QUOTE And it is pitiful to use the phrase “appropriate consent” to describe the deliberate killing of an innocent human being...
Stop applying your morality to the rest of the world. The phrase "begging the question" springs to mind.
Rebuttal.
QUOTE There is no financial benefit for tissue donation for either the patient or Planned Parenthood. In some instances, actual costs, such as the cost to transport tissue to leading research centers, are reimbursed, which is standard across the medical field.
I want to see some financial analysis. If they're making cash on this, they'd have no trouble keeping the centers open that seem to be getting closed due to psychotic, thinly-veiled state legislation intended to do an end run around the fourth amendment.
QUOTE The right of the people to be secure in their persons...
I get the same vibe from that website as I do from the ones that think Bubba had Vince Foster killed and 9/11 was an inside job.
Edited by Malcolm on Jul. 15 2015,09:34
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jul. 15 2015,09:48 |
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Calling it murder makes a lot of assumptions that break down to matters of faith. Quantum theory is also a matter of faith, but it's got a lot more evidence in its favour, and it's not trying to impose a metaphysical dictatorship along the way.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jul. 15 2015,10:11 |
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Are you arguing about the morality of abortion, or are you talking about the fact the PP chick was caught on camera talking about harvesting and selling fetal tissue? Because this wasn't about the morality of abortion.
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Planned Parenthood was established to prevent the proliferation of blacks and other "undesirables". Pretty much the confederate flag x 1000000000. The flag never extinguished a black life.
Selling dead baby parts is ghoulish and evil. Period.
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Malcolm
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(Vince @ Jul. 15 2015,12:30)
QUOTE Planned Parenthood was established to prevent the proliferation of blacks and other "undesirables". Pretty much the confederate flag x 1000000000. The flag never extinguished a black life.
And no.
QUOTE The origins of Planned Parenthood date to October 16, 1916 when Margaret Sanger, her sister Ethel Byrne, and Fania Mindell opened the first birth control clinic in the U.S. in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn, New York.
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The "Brownsville trials" brought national attention and support to their cause, and although Sanger and her co-defendants were convicted, their convictions were eventually overturned. Their campaign led to major changes in the laws governing birth control and sex education in the United States.
It was 3 women looking who decided to delve into a branch of medicine that was shuttered away in a closet, if even acknowledged at all, back in the day. Because they took a look into the future and figured out back alley abortions were not the way to go.
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Posted on: Jul. 15 2015,10:50 |
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Waste not, want not.
I watched the videos. I think the video commentary and news stories are heavily mischaracterizing what was said. She didn't look like someone eager to make money on selling fetuses, she looked like someone trying to match up the cases where patients said they wanted to donate the fetus for study with institutions in need of tissue. I'd rather they didn't have a handling charge on these but I can see the necessity, especially with how poorly funded they are and how frequently their funding is attacked by the twits that are unable to comprehend that Planed Parenthood is the leading preventive of abortions due to their contraceptive work.
And if you do the math based on what was said in the video we're talking between $240 and $800 per day per clinic in handling fees when they are at their busiest, so this is clearly not a way for Planned Parenthood to rake in the cash.
Honestly the only person in that video who's attitude I found repulsive was whoever was behind the camera, what with his "dime a dozen" remark and gleeful comments at the end about thank god for planned parenthood killing babies. Everyone else in the video was more properly somber about the unpleasant topic at hand.
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Malcolm
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(GORDON @ Jul. 15 2015,12:11)
QUOTE Are you arguing about the morality of abortion, or are you talking about the fact the PP chick was caught on camera talking about harvesting and selling fetal tissue? Because this wasn't about the morality of abortion.
The article brings up the morality and sledgehammers you with it at the end. Up until then, I was reading with cautioned skepticism. The author's mind was made up long before they wrote word one. Then there's the vid itself which is the strongest evidence that whoever shot it had an agenda and was an interested in capturing "the truth" as Adolf was in cleaning up the human gene pool.
QUOTE BAM godwinned.
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Posted on: Jul. 17 2015,11:46 |
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PP has released an apology video saying that chick and the horrible things she said was fucked up, but deny that they are profiting by selling fetal organs. They are donating them for recompense, but they aren't selling them.
http://www.cnn.com/2015....didates
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jul. 17 2015,11:59 |
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Again, if they were raking in the cash, they'd have a lot more clinics open.
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Malcolm
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(GORDON @ Jul. 17 2015,14:01)
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(Malcolm @ Jul. 17 2015,14:59)
QUOTE Again, if they were raking in the cash, they'd have a lot more clinics open. Just like Subway.
I still want to see the financial smoking gun. Find me some payments from biomed companies to PP showing the alleged profits.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Jul. 17 2015,12:20 |
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Ok I have them somewhere here on my desk, give me a minute.
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Posted on: Jul. 17 2015,12:25 |
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If Woodward and Berstein can follow the money and uncover Watergate, then someone ought to be able to do the same here. Oh shit, do we even have journalists anymore that know how to do anything except link someone else's work?
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GORDON
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I know! I mean shit, at this rate it would almost take a hidden camera to get a PP official to lay out their methods for harvesting fetal organs intact so they can maximize the value of each one before anyone paid any attention.
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GORDON
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Before this event, show of hands, who knew PP was harvesting fetal matter?
Why was this a big secret?
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jul. 17 2015,13:35 |
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Knew? I never looked, but I wouldn't be shocked if they did.
QUOTE Why was this a big secret?
Because some people would explode, like they have, calling PP organ vendors and butchers. They have enough trouble with people wanting to kill them, quite literally, already. "Secret" also isn't the word I'd use. They made an announcement a few days ago and I don't have a copy of their website from before this news story, but I wouldn't be taken aback if it's in there, somewhere, in the fine print or in some kind of previously published document.
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Hell, I'm surprised that they don't use this as advertising since it is so innocuous. "We'll donate your goo to science!" right on the poster, because no matter what this doesn't have a ghoulish aspect, at all, and there's no gray area, and people who have an opinion about it are just stupid.
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