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I mistakenly believed the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a schedule 1 substance because of sound scientific proof. Surely, they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have "no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse."

But remember, the gov't is here to help you.  Trust them.


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I wouldn't call Sanjay Gupta a scientist.  A dickwad who would do anything to be in front of a camera, yes...

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He understands more about science than the average idiot out there.  

But not by much.


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The average idiot out there still thinks a monkey turned into a human one day even if they DO claim to "believe in evolution."

It's like the world is a war between idiots.


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I wouldn't call Sanjay Gupta a scientist.  A dickwad who would do anything to be in front of a camera, yes...

I'm sure "associate chief of neurosurgery" is just a meaningless title.

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Science itself is now supporting Dr. Gupta.

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Schedule I substances are those that have the following findings:

       The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
       The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
       There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.


Schedule I drug proves itself useful in medical treatment in United States.


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I wouldn't call Sanjay Gupta a scientist.  A dickwad who would do anything to be in front of a camera, yes...

I'm sure "associate chief of neurosurgery" is just a meaningless title.

"Associate"

He's the actual head of "Doing anything to be on TV"


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Federal judge hears case.
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The defendant’s lawyers won the right to challenge the government’s treatment of marijuana as a controlled substance, as dangerous as heroin. They’re making their final pitch Wednesday for a federal judge to declare the government’s position unconstitutional in light of evidence of pot’s medical uses and steps the U.S. has taken to recognize legalization efforts in several states.


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Unconstitutional?  Preposterous, the constitution has nothing to do with it.  In violation of federal law?  Absolutely, the law specifically outlines what a drug has to be like to be classified as schedule one and clearly it does not meet that definition.  

But all because it's in violation of federal law doesn't mean it's "unconstitutional".  Let's not be sloppy here.


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Unconstitutional?  Preposterous, the constitution has nothing to do with it.  In violation of federal law?  Absolutely, the law specifically outlines what a drug has to be like to be classified as schedule one and clearly it does not meet that definition.  

But all because it's in violation of federal law doesn't mean it's "unconstitutional".  Let's not be sloppy here.

Depends how one interprets the 10th.

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Oh, well of course, but no one in public service or the media pays any attention to that.  The majority of the federal government is in violation of the 10th.

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Another scientist says the DEA is full of shit for a different reason.
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The population study, which was published in the Journal of Pharmacology, looked at data of 135,095 random subjects which include 19,299 users of psychedelic drugs such as LSDs and psilocybin mushrooms. The authors of the study, Teri Krebs and Pål-Ørjan Johansen, found no existing evidence to connect the use of psychedelic drugs and mental conditions such as depression, psychological distress, and suicide intentions.


I'll repeat myself:

Psychedelics have way fewer side effects than your average anti-depressant or anti-anxiety pills.  Oddly enough, the former is illegal and the latter isn't and is also handed out like goddamn Pez.


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Docs point out lack of studies supporting bud's medicinal value.  I wonder if it had anything to do with the massive downturn in research funding that occurred sometime in the last 70 years.  Because when you're demonizing something, nothing helps your case like pure ignorance.

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Drawing on these psychological responses, researchers are planning their first study using MDMA for the treatment of social anxiety.

I am completely dumbfounded as to why Ecstasy, which has real, demonstrable clinical uses for this type of thing is illegal while something like Zoloft isn't.  Zoloft has far worse collateral damage.

Side effects of X

Here's the same list for Zoloft, only it's about triple the length.


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Shrooms and LSD as well.
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He points out that psychedelics remain more legally restricted than heroin and cocaine.

“But no evidence indicates that psychedelic drugs are habit forming, little evidence indicates that they are harmful in controlled settings and much historical evidence shows that they could have use in common psychiatric disorders,” he wrote.

In fact, recent studies indicate that psychedelics have “clinical efficacy in anxiety associated with advanced cancer, obsessive compulsive disorder, tobacco and alcohol addiction, and cluster headaches”, he said.

But fuck those chems, we have Prozac to push.


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Side effects may include homicidal rampages.  Still safer than bud and hallucinogens, according to the FDA.

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Safe as riding a bike.
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“Psychedelics often produce profound experiences while at the same time having a safety risk profile comparable to many activities of daily life, such as riding a bike or playing soccer.”


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However, a spokesperson for Public Health England told Newsweek it was unethical to treat addiction to illegal substances with other illegal substances, adding such a program would not have support in the UK.

FUCK YOU.  That's the stupidest fucking circular argument I've ever heard.  You're making it illegal because of your insane laws passed to comply with the equally insane conventions passed by the UN in the '60s and '70s.


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Study shows legalizing bud doesn't cause a significant upswing in teen use.
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While marijuana use among teens was higher in states that went on to allow medical marijuana, rates of teen use in those states did not rise further after the states legalized medical marijuana, the study found.


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Study shows that "teaching" kids about drugs using nothing but scare tactics and rampant conspiracy theory-laden paranoia has drawbacks.

Here's one insane researcher's take on the results:
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“Perhaps if we are so good about communicating risks of cigarettes but we don’t communicate about e-cigarettes, it sends a message that they are safe,” said lead author Maria L. Roditis of the Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education at the University of California, San Francisco.


Here's one that doesn't presume you have less self-control than Gerard Depardieu at an all-you-can-eat buffet:
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“It’s a really important paper because it really shows that the level of ignorance that kids have about these products is leading to a lot of use,” said Stanton A. Glantz, director of the Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education at UCSF.


Don't worry, he dips right back into the well of stupidity after that brief gasp of logic.
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Marijuana smoke actually has worse effects on vascular function than cigarette smoke in animal studies, and smoking pot, like e-cigarettes, is often a gateway for young people to start smoking cigarettes, he said.

Incredible how elastic the bullshit of the "gateway drug" faith is.  Because I had it drilled into my skull that tobacco and alcohol use led to the illegal shit, not the other way around.


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The problem with using scare-tactics as so-called "drug education" is that kids can smell it when adults are shoveling uncut horse shit at them and they know it's all a bunch of lies and propaganda.  They don't know much about what the truth is instead, but they sure know the scare tactics are all bullshit and so they tend to not just ignore it but to do so with prejudice, which leads such education causing increases in use over no education at all.

The same goes for abstinence-only sex education.  The single largest indicator that a state is about to see a massive rise in abortion rates is when they pass abstinence-only sex ed laws.  The so-called pro-life movement has caused far far more abortions than they've prevented.


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