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Posted on: Aug. 07 2004,18:20 |
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SPOILER!!!!!!
SPOILER!!!!!!
SPOILER!!!!!!
SPOILER!!!!!!
Before the movie began I told my wife my theory that the creatures in the woods were probably a way for the town elders to keep people from leaving town. Â I figured they were elders in costumes.
When they started talking about the other towns, I figured that it wasn't a way to keep people in town, but a way to keep them away from the outside world. Â Which made me think that it was a modern world, and that they were some sort of Amish-like cult that evolved from their horrible pasts. Â When they showed the boxes containing their past, I figured that there would be cell phones and such in there. Â There was no cell phone, but I was right about there being evidence of the story taking place in modern times.
The one thing that threw me was the crazy guy. Â I had assumed that one of the elders was in the costume at the end, and that he was going to rape and kill her. Â I thought an elder had flipped out, not the crazy guy.
Anybody else figure this out?
Oh, and did we ever find out what Juaquine Phoenix's color was?
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Posted on: Aug. 08 2004,08:00 |
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I was wondering how we would see something reflected in a TV screen.
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Posted on: Aug. 09 2004,10:19 |
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Huh? Does M. Night do that in every movie?
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Posted on: Aug. 09 2004,10:57 |
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Supposedly.
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Posted on: Aug. 09 2004,14:49 |
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Well he used medicine cabinet to reflect his own face. Â That's the closest thing I remember. Â I don't remember a TV being on at the guard station.
I did find it odd that they stocked that much medicine at each station though. Â I suppose "Rich Grandpa" keeps them overstocked for such emergencies.
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Posted on: Aug. 16 2004,16:26 |
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They brought the "evils" of the world with them, in the form of deceit, murder, and adultry... you can't leave behind what's in your heart.
The locked boxes symbolized the secrets in their hearts. Â And their hearts were black.
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Posted on: Aug. 16 2004,16:59 |
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Whoa.
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I'd heard a few days ago, "this movie is a good metaphor for the present day... Bush and Rumsfeld keep people scared and controlled just like the village elders did."
I think that message held up right to the end, until the twist happened. Â In this world there really are monsters who have killed and want to kill again. Â I didn't expect the twist... I was waiting for the blind girl to stumple upon an encampment of actual monsters.
Leisher hadn't spoiled this Shyamalan movie for me. ;-)
Before the twist... I believed it was 1897. Â I was impressed that not everyone had styled, moused hair... William Hurt's hair was downright greasy at times... but I also wondered that Shyamalan made no attempt for the people to use pre-20th century speech. Â Because I thought they were pre-20th century peeps.
Another interesting message I took... before the twist, the village and the people seemed... bigger. Â More important than they did once the twist was revealed. Â Putting them in the context of the present day world makes them seem quaint at best, cultish and inconsequential at worst. Â The town elders had a point... to a point. Â I'm not sure if the deceit is bigger than the perceived good. Â I'm not sure if the end justifies the means. Â I wonder how long until someone tries this in the real world.
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Early on (before the movie, and only a short way though the begining) I thought there was a possibility for a Twilight Zone ending. Did anybody see the Twilight Zone episode where the doctors and nurses work on a bandaged woman. When they take the bandages off the nurse screams because she's still horribly disfigured. Then the camera pans back to show the patient is a beautiful woman, and everybody else has hideous mutated faces.
I thought that maybe the creatures were the normal ones, and the people in town were the freakish outcasts.
There was also an early-on possibility of a "we worship Satan and give him the occasional sacrifice while dressed in red robes to keep ourselves prosperous" ending. I didn't think Shyamalan would stoop to that old premice, but it was still something I considered going to if the evidence went that way.
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Posted on: Aug. 16 2004,19:52 |
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Shyamalan is very good at what he does.
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Posted on: Jan. 16 2005,18:55 |
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Just watched the DVD. Couple things I didn't connect the first time: they wrap themselves in yellow, the "safe" color. Yellow is the color of cowardice.
And, red is the "bad color," and they bury red flowers and such. Red is the color of passion.
This movie is not a Bush/Rumsfeld "rule by fear" metaphor. If anything, it's an allegory for isolationism.
Edited by GORDON on Jan. 16 2005,18:56
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Does anyone get the Joaquin Phoenix twist?? Ppl have been saying stuff but I dont get it at all....???
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Posted on: Jan. 20 2005,10:37 |
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What twist?
Although I'm pretty sure his "color" was not the same as the blind girl's dad's color.
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I finally saw the film. I don't think it was as bad as people have said. I was entertained throughout despite knowing that it was all occuring in present time. In fact, I think knowing the big twist helped throw me off on the other twist.
Initially, I started wondering where they were getting all of their supplies. Where did their firewood come from if they couldn't go into the woods?
As I was saying, only one thing threw me off and that was the identity of the monster at the end. I figured it would be an elder trying to stop her from ruining everything.
Speaking of that, is everyone else shocked that this movie didn't create a huge controversy due to it portraying a mentally challenged person as violent and essentially worthless? Maybe a movie only gets negative press if they make a lesbian the killer?
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For those who don't know, I told Gordon what the twist was for The Sixth Sense a month before it came out. It just seemed obvious to me based on the trailers.
As for a twist with Joaquin Phoenix, I didn't see one either. Although, I speculate that his color was yellow since it was the safe color. The only other option is red and that doesn't make sense. Red would have made sense for Noah and maybe the Elders.
The only real problem I had with this film is that the elders' plan relied on people to be cowards. Walking through the village with a monster costume on is a big risk. Eventually, someone would have found the balls to attack it.
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| Quote (Leisher @ Jan. 22 2005,23:04) | | Where did their firewood come from if they couldn't go into the woods? |
I wondered the exact same thing.
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| Quote (thibodeaux @ Jan. 23 2005,09:29) | | Quote (Leisher @ Jan. 22 2005,23:04) | | Where did their firewood come from if they couldn't go into the woods? |
I wondered the exact same thing. |
One of the cabins hid the entrance to the coal mine.
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