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Malcolm 
I disagree.
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Posted on: Jan. 26 2016,10:22 |
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Can't remember becoming a millionaire.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Leisher
Top 3%, yo.
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Posted on: Jan. 26 2016,11:10 |
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I just don't understand the allure of drugs.
Ok, I'm crazy rich, have tons of free time, and can do pretty much anything. throwing a ton of money at something that'll get me addicted, negatively affect my health, possibly kill me, get me in trouble with the law, ruin my career, cause family strife, etc. isn't going to be high on the list.
Whatever happened to just railing groupies? Drinking some jack? Hitting Vegas with friends? Playing video games? Etc.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jan. 26 2016,11:21 |
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QUOTE Drinking some jack?
Last I checked, booze was a drug.
QUOTE Playing video games?
Haven't divorces been caused over non-stop gaming marathons? Haven't mofos been killed over MMOG ph4t l3wt?
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Leisher
Top 3%, yo.
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Posted on: Jan. 26 2016,11:50 |
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QUOTE Last I checked, booze was a drug.
So's aspirin. You know the difference. A shot of booze won't kill you.
QUOTE Haven't divorces been caused over non-stop gaming marathons? Haven't mofos been killed over MMOG ph4t l3wt?
I don't know if anyone has technically gotten divorced simply because of a gaming marathon. Nor do I know if anyone has actually been killed for electronic goods.
I do know that such cases would be ridiculously rare, and thus, not a good comparison.
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TPRJones
I saw The Fault in our Stars opening night.
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Posted on: Jan. 26 2016,12:11 |
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(Leisher @ Jan. 26 2016,13:50)
QUOTE QUOTE Last I checked, booze was a drug. So's aspirin. You know the difference. A shot of booze won't kill you.
Neither will most illegal drugs. Â It is just as easy to be a responsible recreational drug user as it is to be a responsible recreational drinker. The only difference is one is still illegal while the other is no longer illegal for tax reasons.
Edited by TPRJones on Jan. 26 2016,12:12
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jan. 26 2016,12:21 |
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(Leisher @ Jan. 26 2016,13:50)
QUOTE QUOTE Last I checked, booze was a drug. So's aspirin. You know the difference. A shot of booze won't kill you.
One Vicodin won't either, and most likely a small amount of coke or smack won't.
Booze = 88K deaths over '06-10 ~= 17.6K/yr
Prescription drugs = 16K deaths in '13
Seems like that shit is running neck and neck in the long term. Â In isolated incidents, it's easier to OD on certain chems versus others, especially if you're on multiple potent meds that interact badly. Â The favourite celebrity killer cocktail seems to be anti-anxiety + sleeping pills + painkiller + liquor.
Finally, I'll leave you with a quote from one of John Waters's finest:
QUOTE Honey: How can you be a drug addict in the new millennium? It's so retro.
Lyle: Before I was a drug addict, I had so many different problems. Now I just have one - drugs! Gave my life a real focus.
Edited by Malcolm on Jan. 26 2016,12:23
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Leisher
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Posted on: Jan. 26 2016,12:38 |
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QUOTE Neither will most illegal drugs.
Tell that to Len Bias.
QUOTE One Vicodin won't either, and most likely a small amount of coke or smack won't.
I like how you had to qualify that.
QUOTE Booze = 88K deaths over '06-10 ~= 17.6K/yr
Prescription drugs = 16K deaths in '13
How many of those booze deaths are driving while intoxicated? Just curious. Basically, how many are directly related to the booze and not something done while drinking booze?
A lot of those prescription drug fatalities are mistakes made by doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and by the people taking the drugs.
And that quote is just stupid to me.
If you want to do drugs, go nuts, but I'm not interested.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jan. 26 2016,14:17 |
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(TPRJones @ Jan. 26 2016,15:10)
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(Leisher @ Jan. 26 2016,14:38)
QUOTE Tell that to Len Bias. Can't, he's dead. Â But before I consider that relevant I'd want to see a breakdown of the chemical content of what he took. Â I'd bet it was either laced or badly cut. Â If so I wouldn't consider it death from drug use but from poisoning. Â I also wouldn't consider it death from alcohol if someone died from drinking moonshine laced with gasoline, so I'm being fair about it.
QUOTE If only there were legal alternatives to these black market substances that could have some sort of quality control.
That's pretty much what I think every time a load of H turns up laced with fentanyl.
All chems will kill you in large enough amounts. Â But notice the legit shit -- nicotine, alcohol, caffeine, prescriptions, etc. -- is produced with quality control (allegedly), should facilitate easy, accurate dosage, and have big-ass warnings about potential health hazards. Â You'd figure those facts would be enough net them fewer deaths than illegal things. Â Quite the opposite. Â Point being that booze is deadlier than any criminal substance.
If you want to cut down on the number of fatal ODs, then the answer isn't making the desired goods illegal; mofos will get them unless you pump an untenable amount of Orwellian resources into stopping them ... if it's even possible. Â The best chance at mitigation is close monitoring during administration. Â Just like there's a place for you to order drinks, a longtime heroin user damn near needs a qualified medical professional to determine a hit that has a low to negligible chance for OD, so provide him one along with real estate to shoot up. Â Put in QC comparable to prescription meds and a safe infrastructure for users and you'd cut down on deaths, massively up your tax revenue, and cripple a gargantuan river of dollars flowing into organized crime. Â That last part will take a bit, because it's dependent on an open and mass produced supply driving down cost to the point where theft and resale of the drugs isn't profitable in general.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Jan. 27 2016,07:28 |
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QUOTE But there aren't so back to my original point, why get into them?
He was young, rich, and partying. Some people get hooked while experimenting, some when they get prescribed meds and then never get off, a few self-medicate.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Leisher
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Posted on: Jan. 27 2016,09:43 |
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In other words, he was stupid.
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