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Leisher 
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Posted on: Dec. 12 2007,11:47 |
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Got an email from a family member today who met with a web person for...well, I honestly don't know...but here's the email I got from them after the meeting:
QUOTE I met with the web guy from BG. Geek like you  Any how, he told me about a 3D site that is ripe for investment ā www.secondlife.com ā he said at this moment there is an estimated 12 to 14% membership and within the next 5 years that figure will swell to 85% or more. He told me the opportunities are endless i.e. offering services or product the 3D people (ADVARS) will need. Iād like you to look at the web site and give me your opinion.
Now this is from someone with ZERO computer expertise so I'm positive there is something lost in the translation, thus I won't even begin to comment on the "investment opportunities". However, let me address what I can only assume are membership (paying accounts) figures.
(Sidenote: I'm pretty sure "ADVARS" is "avatars".)
Second Life was launched in 2003 and they claims "millions of citizens". 12-14% of "millions" in a good profit. However, one wonders if "millions" is truly accurate. I created a character there once and played it twice, am I counted among those millions? I'd bet a paycheck that I am.
And 12-14% to 85% in 5 years? Again, this game has been around since 2003, we are days from 2008...that's 5 years. What exactly have they done that's going to increase their membership by that amount?
Let's face it, this is the computer age and games don't get more popular as they get older. They start to show their age and people start to get bored and leave. In Second Life's case, we're not talking about the most user friendly game.
In fact, I'd call it a pyramid scheme in MMO form. Follow me here... You've got a really, really small percentage of Second Life's population that can actually write code to create items. These are the only people who can make cash (real or virtual) in that game. Yes, there are exceptions such as men/women willing to cyber for cash, but you get my point in terms of who has the true cash earning potential. Everyone else is at the bottom of the pyramid. Sure, there's the promise of millions, you've heard the stories, but what percentage of those "millions" of subscribers actually make any money let alone enough to be life altering?
How is that game not like a pyramid scheme?
Other MMOs don't vary much from Second Life except you know what it is when you go in. You're paying for a theme and for consistency. You're playing for an experience, not to hope for a good time. Another negative for people like Cakedaddy is that corporations have a HUGE presence in Second Life. There are no McDonald's in World of Warcraft.
And the difference between WoW and SL? SL claims "millions" with 12-14% paying members, while WoW has 9 million members and a 100% rate of subscription.
I think Second Life will exist for some time as a "niche" product, but I think they're delusional about how big they can become. It's been 5 years, an eternity in this business. If it hasn't happened by now, it's not going to happen.
Edited by Leisher on Dec. 12 2007,11:48
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GORDON
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Posted on: Dec. 12 2007,11:52 |
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Uh, that email is written like spam.
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Leisher
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Posted on: Dec. 12 2007,11:59 |
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Yeah, I know. Oh, ignore the "", that must be a smiley that didn't transfer to the forum.
It is a legit email though. Tis indeed from a family member and I've been continuing the discussion with them, explaining why it's ass and even setting lunch plans for tomorrow to discuss.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Dec. 12 2007,12:12 |
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From many things I've read & seen, Second Life is a fucking joke.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Dec. 12 2007,12:24 |
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Might be a joke, but it is popular.
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thibodeaux
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Posted on: Dec. 12 2007,12:25 |
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I know a guy who claims he was making thousands of dollars per month running a casino in second life.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Dec. 12 2007,13:49 |
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So, what's this thing about being able to code up things for other players or some such shyte?
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Dec. 12 2007,13:57 |
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So some woman supposedly made a million by buying/selling land there. Basically, by being first, then selling to the suckers who came later.
What kills me is that respectable businesses (IBM, Coke, etc) are pouring money in there because they are afraid of being left out or left behind.
But there's so little happening there. Maybe one day something like this will be relevant. But that day is not here.
TPR, haven't you been on SL before?
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Dec. 12 2007,18:34 |
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(GORDON @ Dec. 12 2007,20:09)
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(Malcolm @ Dec. 12 2007,16:49)
QUOTE So, what's this thing about being able to code up things for other players or some such shyte? I believe you can "invent" things with some scripting language. I don't really know anything beyond that.
Are you shitting me? That's ballsy as hell, provided the scripting language isn't ass.
Edited by Malcolm on Dec. 12 2007,18:34
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
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"Better dead than smeg."
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Leisher
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Posted on: Dec. 12 2007,18:45 |
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QUOTE What kills me is that respectable businesses (IBM, Coke, etc) are pouring money in there because they are afraid of being left out or left behind.
Their attempts seem to be token gestures though. It's like someone in their IT department or Marketing plays Second Life and suggested that "It's the next big thing" and they need to be visible there now.
It just all seems so half-assed. Nothing different than other companies' attempts to reach the gaming audience. How many games have we seen based on characters? M&M, The 7up Spot, the Noid, the Burger King, etc.
Corporations need to realize that gamers are a different breed. "Product placement" won't work in a game like it does in movies. In fact, it's more likely to piss gamers off.
I think their safest bets are in game ad placement in games where it makes sense, like billboards in urban environments, and sponsorships. With a sponsorship, they could help offset the cost of game development and in return, they could have their logo on the box in a corner, ditto for the manual, a splash screen during the opening developer's splash screens, the ability to insert coupons into the box, etc. I know that might sound shitty to some, but why not go that route? Every other form of entertainment has so why should we expect games to be different.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Dec. 12 2007,18:58 |
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(Malcolm @ Dec. 12 2007,21:34)
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(GORDON @ Dec. 12 2007,20:09)
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(Malcolm @ Dec. 12 2007,16:49)
QUOTE So, what's this thing about being able to code up things for other players or some such shyte? I believe you can "invent" things with some scripting language. I don't really know anything beyond that. Are you shitting me? That's ballsy as hell, provided the scripting language isn't ass.
Well, I'm sure casino gaming machines weren't in the original specs, but someone invented some to use the real SL money...
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Dec. 12 2007,19:12 |
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Yeah, there's definitely something Amwayesque about this.
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"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Cakedaddy
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Posted on: Dec. 12 2007,19:18 |
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I dunno about the pyramid scheme thing. I think that's taking it a bit far. Everything you say is true with the many paying the few. But, it's more of a big graphical chat room where people can buy and wear levi's jeans and members only jackets. So, if you create something people like and want to wear, ride, drive, whaterver, then you can get paid. But doesn't a pyramid scheme have a promise of a big payoff? Granted, they say you can quite your RL job and play the game. But they don't promise a payoff if you recruite 10 other people to play.
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thibodeaux
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Posted on: Dec. 13 2007,04:31 |
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(TheCatt @ Dec. 12 2007,16:55)
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(thibodeaux @ Dec. 12 2007,15:25)
QUOTE I know a guy who claims he was making thousands of dollars per month running a casino in second life. They shut those down though, right?
Yeah. He was really bummed. But he thinks that some people have already found a loophole.
He's also getting into the land business like the Chinese lady. He's always talking about her.
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Leisher
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Posted on: Dec. 13 2007,05:28 |
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QUOTE I dunno about the pyramid scheme thing. I think that's taking it a bit far. Everything you say is true with the many paying the few. But, it's more of a big graphical chat room where people can buy and wear levi's jeans and members only jackets. So, if you create something people like and want to wear, ride, drive, whaterver, then you can get paid. But doesn't a pyramid scheme have a promise of a big payoff? Granted, they say you can quite your RL job and play the game. But they don't promise a payoff if you recruite 10 other people to play.
You're right, there is no active official campaign to bring in new folks, but there is a drive. You don't see Second Life running ads and such, but I'm always hearing about how I should join and the main reason is never things like "it's beautiful, well designed, fun, etc." it's typically something along the lines of "You can make real money there".
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