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While the pages are dated between the years 568 AD and 645 AD, though, Muhammad is generally believed to have lived between 570 AD and 632 AD. This means that that pages actually pre-date the man known as "The Prophet."
"It destabilizes, to put it mildly, the idea that we can know anything with certainty about how the Koran emerged," said Tom Holland, a historian, in an interview with Birmingham Mail. "That in turn has implications for the historicity of Muhammad and the Companions (his followers)."

Granted, you're only talking a few years here, but it means there's no way in hell it was written more than a handful of years after his death.  The first books of the New Testament waited at least 70 years after Jesus's death before they started poking up.


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Or it will be completely ignored like how the Morons ignored it when science disproved their tablets or plate or whatever.

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Also, was that a shot at or support for my comment? I honestly read it both ways.


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Yeah but the Mormons didn't have standing orders to kill anyone who disrespects Smith, and this discovery suggests Muhammad plagiarized shit.  I think, I only skimmed.  I'm sure Catt will correct me if I am wrong.

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Yeah but the Mormons didn't have standing orders to kill anyone who disrespects Smith, and this discovery suggests Muhammad plagiarized shit.

I'll check on the Mormon prime directive but to the other point, if this qualifies as plagiarism then every major religion is stolen.


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Yeah but the Mormons didn't have standing orders to kill anyone who disrespects Smith, and this discovery suggests Muhammad plagiarized shit.  I think, I only skimmed.  I'm sure Catt will correct me if I am wrong.

Do you even read, bro?

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was that a shot at or support for my comment? I honestly read it both ways.

It was purposefully vague. I didn't agree, though. A few ripples as the Muslim world prepares to ignore it forever seem much more likely.

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was that a shot at or support for my comment? I honestly read it both ways.

It was purposefully vague. I didn't agree, though. A few ripples as the Muslim world prepares to ignore it forever seem much more likely.

Was it the peaceful and tolerant way Muslims have responded to slights against their religion in the past that gave you pause?

I don't even need to do the "every other word is a link" thing to back up my point.

I mean, ISIS is currently destroying every bit of history they can get their hands on and murdering historians.

While my statement was meant as humor, it would not shock me if something bad happens to the men/women behind that report.
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I mean, ISIS is currently destroying every bit of history they can get their hands on and murdering historians.

Right. The crazies are already busy, and the normals don't and never will care.

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I mean, ISIS is currently destroying every bit of history they can get their hands on and murdering historians.

Right. The crazies are already busy, and the normals don't and never will care.

Our government is unwilling to do what has to be done to fix it, so why bother caring?  Waste of energy.

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Yeah but the Mormons didn't have standing orders to kill anyone who disrespects Smith...

Yeah they kill for other reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre


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Yeah but the Mormons didn't have standing orders to kill anyone who disrespects Smith...

Yeah they kill for other reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

Yeah and 500 years ago muslims invented math or something.

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